Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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First for Dorn
>>50577768
White Scars do. Archamus did, I think that was weird for him though.

>>50577836
That mustache would go so well on Dorn, stranger. Be sure to tell him I said that.
>White Scars do
I know they take their dad's name once they become a Praetor but do they change the whole name after becoming a space Mongol?

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Who is this, Russ?
What's even happening here? Why is he wearing that armour?
He's a big guy, will he die if i take off that mask?

>>50577836
Imperial Firsts.

>>50577936
Are you sure that big isn't Russ trying to pull of a luchador look?

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Could something like pic related work as a Storm Eagle? Lascannons on the wings, etc. I'm not a fan of the stormraven/eagle look, but find an assault ram style thing more appealing. Single hull assault ram. The Caetus is a bit silly with the twin-hulls.

>>50578015
Well, then this is your WOLF pattern Caestus.

Enjoy.

>>50577768
>do marines change their names when they become marines? I doubt any parent would name their child "Adamant".
I'm going to name my firstborn Bombastus and no one can stop me.

>>50578140
At least BT do I read about this years ago somewhere but can't remember the sauce.

>>50578140
Not even the mother?

>>50578173
It was the Damnination Crusade comic. It had Tankred in it.

>>50578194
Yea, now as you say it... neophytes and and the awoken cybot and so on.

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My first time in the summary.

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>>50577762
reminds me of pic

Why did Perturabo execute a tenth of his men for incompetence so quickly after receiving his legion, if he'd never been off his homeworld before? Astartes, even if they're Iron Warriors, are still superior soldiers to everything he would have had access to before.

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>>50578297

>my alpha legionnaires all all, to a man, scooby-doo villain levels of incompetent who 10 of will lose combat to a singular myrmidon

the sole exception being my single Forge lord who has never missed a rad phaged target with his conversion Beamer

>one space PHD nerd surrounded by a bunch of quick-cloned idiot marines


This must be how IT guys feel

>>50578327
He was disappointed in them not being the best, but he probably wasn't going to kill them just maybe a mild mangling. Then he learned of his geneseed's quirks and then decided to start killing.

>>50578374
It set the standard of the type of Tyranical rule he will impose. It got the message across, failure will NOT be tolerated.

The thing about it was that it actually worked, by making the legion a massive meritocracy the Iron Warriors improved greatly.

>>50578360
I wish I had that picture of confused Alpha Legionairies standing around asking themselves if they are Alpharius.

That poor forgelord was probably responsible to keep the machines running while they gestated, someone had to do it.

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>>50578360
I like that

Do you prefer your Thousand Sons with a white trim or gold.

Personally i prefer white to differentiate between them and Blood Angels.

>>50578833
Gold trim, white accents.

>>50578327
What does being off his homeworld have to do with anything? He reviewed their reports of prior battles and the associated data, compared those results against the results of other legions and found them wanting. But what he found particularly galling was that the legion thought and acted like they were the best, when the numbers showed that they weren't. That's what pissed him off the most.

>>50578778

Love it

do one where they pull of Alpharius helmet and it's just another Alpharius underneath

Is there much of a point in taking a thanatar in a legion list?

>>50578833
White trim, gold detailing.

Would it be possible to play HH with standard 40k plastics?

Because I really like what I see of the gameplay of HH, but I really don't have the money for an entire Forge World army.

>>50579074
plastic HH MkIV is available, as are Cataphractii.
MkIII and Tartaros will be coming as boxes in plastic eventually.

Current 40k Predators and Dreadnoughts have rules and can be used.

So yes, you can.
You may need a forgeworld weapon pack or two for some options, but certainly not 100% FW models.

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>>50579001
Not sure who else would be in this picture

>>50579074
Arguably yes (if you're counting the BaC and BoP stuff amongst the "40k plastics", rocking up with marines in mk 7 armour isn't really on) but you'll be missing some of the more fun options, especially legion-specific units. Kind of depends what sort of army makeup you want.

Oh, worth saying, most 40k pattern marine vehicles (rhino, predator, vindicator, whirlwind) are also fine in 30k, it's more a personal preference thing.

>>50579130
What about Siggy?

>>50579074
>ding! ding! ding!

It's our poorfag question of the day.

But seriously, with Calth and Prospero boxes you got a ton of 30k models to choose from and just about all 40k vehicles are usable in 30k, since they existed back then. MkV dreads, Mars pattern Rhino hulls, MkIII Phobos Land Raiders, etc. Attack bikes and land speeders don't even have FW models, so GW ones are the only ones you can use, though I'd find away to spice up the crew a bit if I were you. At least give them MkV torsos, shoulder pads, helmets, and crotch studs if nothing else. MkIV helmes are fine too.

GW plastic infantry kits are not so great, since they got a lot of MkVII stuff that came about just at the end of the Heresy and was only available to a select few legions. But if you get bits, you could use MkVI parts to make some plastic MkVIs. MkIVs as well. And if you run BA or DA, there's loads of nice bits in their kits to distribute among the models to spice them up. SW as well, though their pieces are more MkVII centric.

>>50579093
>>50579132

And I can make a decent army out of the BaC/BoP stuff? Because it just looks like tacticals and terminators.

>>50579132
>especially legion-specific units

With some creativity there's plenty of ways to make them. I'm turning BoP Tartaros into Deathshrouds using some 3rd party tabards, GK halberds with Zombie scythes, and cut down hand flamers mounted on the GK arms (where the storm bolter would go).

>>50579130
Make Shaggy Silonius. I'd do it myself buy
A) I'm phoneposting
B) I HAVE ASKED FOR A PIC OF HIM FOR MONTHS NOW. Because there is one, as well as Archamus'.

>>50579198
The standard Space Marine Dreadnoughts, Drop Pods, Predator Tanks and Land Raiders are also entirely viable for 30k, they existed back then, so they're not a problem.

>>50579225
>Castraferrum Dreadnoughts
Cortus Dreads killed the Boxnought star.

Finally had the opportunity to undercoat the last 84 Alpharius's of my army. No longer have to worry I run out of dudes to paint for a while.

But damn my finger is sore from using the can of spraypaint. It also won't stop shaking, so guess I'll have to postpone the actual painting ...

>>50579282
>It also won't stop shaking
Clinical note #14 – Effects of spray-based Drakaina.

>Omegon takes full control of the Alpha Legion after the events of Praetorian of Terra and continues with his plans of Hydra Dominatus.


However, he soon hears reports of someone giving orders to his legionnaires as Alpharius himself. Individual astartes are being awoken as sleeper agents for his brother, even after his death. Omegon finds that it isn't just old programming that is now activating, something or someone is still able to order Legionnaires the way his brother could.

its revealed to really be Alpharius, now a daemon prince who is able to possess his own legionnaires to appear in the material realm

HYDRA BOWL STATUS: FUCKING CONFIRMED

GET HYPED

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>>50579488
Source/proofs?

>>50579488
What

>>50579508
>>50579573

Basically a leak from the weekender when everyone was going "is he really dead? Is he?" And the answer as "yes, HOWEVER..."

>>50579656
The answer was not, "Yes, however." The answer was, "Yes."

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>>50579488

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>>50579656
DEEPEST LORE.
WHY ARE OUR MEMES BECOMING REAL?!

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>>50579488
If they do this I am going to throw a shitfit.

>>50579704
"A" has come to.

>>50579704
Wasn't Horus one of the few, if only the one, who were bros with the Alpha Legion?

>>50579740
Yeah, but the Devil wasn't mocked

Just got a delivery of 3x Quad mortars, Deathshroud and a Spartan

How the fuck do I extract the tracks from the casting gate on the Quads, and especially the Spartan? It looks like it's basically attached on the detail

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>>50579488

>>50579488
Dubs confirm Alpharius a Daemon Prince of Kek.

>>50579755
Mocked? How so?

>>50579703
We need to stop meming things like this. If we can just meme hard enough we can remove all of the stupidity from this series.

>>50579777
Threefold trips confirm.

....Or DO THEY?!

>>50579777
jesus
those kek digits
well i guess he's a daemon prince of kek now.
seems to fit.

>>50579777
It has been willed.

if dubs we get an Arbites armylist for 40k

>>50579814
Sorry, Anon, but you aren't getting those. Maybe once the SoBs get their new codex you'll get your space cops.

>>50579785
Its about a story from conwuest I believe, where Horus gets Grumpy Alpharius has oters bleed for him so he orders him to take a important fleet anchorage...which he does but fucks up so badly it has no value and requires increased ressources to consolidate etc.

I wont apoil the rest of the memes.

>>50579785
Horus ordered the AL to siege Paramar, but they broke it so hard the SoH needed to send soldiers to garrison it, so it became a drain to the legion's resources rather than a prize.
This should tell you what manner of compliance the AL carried out, leaving broken worlds not unlike the IW, and the opposite of the IFs.
When Horus called Alpharius on his bullshit, he excused that tactical failure as "Just as planned", thus the black book confirmed Alpharius' memeing.
He said the Devil isn't mocked as in them being both traitors not necessarily meaning they were on the same side, as the AL is on the AL side.
>>50579790
My trips say otherwise :^)

>>50579860
>>50579878
Kek, good old Alpharius.

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>>50579878
What trips? I would use meme magic to hurry up Inferno, but the Blighnade is probably immune.

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>>50579940
Not the comment you're responding to, the other one. The 777 was actually responding to the 88, the trips were simply a confirmation from kek.
Lots of meme power today.

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>>50580001
My bad. We still shouldn't fool around with meme magic. Do you want our memes to enter BL and FW books? So many people wouldn't be able to handle our memes.

>>50579656
Which weekender?

>>50580121
I'm sad that the Imperium of Arachnidkind, Church of the Crater and the Citric Cult barely hold any devotees, so I don't expect them to expand.
But at least Scoria will have a Scorpion abeyant, which would look cool when he is leading his Malinax triple-tailed Scorpion Knights, so that's nice enough.

Also, this whole Alpharius thing is a major Fuck you to John French, and fuck him.

>>50578015
>Could something like pic related work as a Storm Eagle?
Not really, it's way too different. I'd rather you called it a Caestus despite being way smaller.

>>50579198
You will need to buy FW upgrades for special weapons, heavy weapons, dreadnought weapons, etc. You will definitely want to turn some of your BaC/BoP marines into support or heavy support squads, and if you use them as vets you'll still probably want some resin upgrades.

This guy's right >>50579225. Add Land Speeders, Bikes, Attack Bikes, Rhinos, Vindicators, Whirlwinds (I think), and Techmarines to the list.

However... we can't guarantee that you won't catch any flak for using M41-style vehicles. Shouldn't happen, as long as you've painted your army like one set in M31, but it occasionally will. The different aesthetic of the HH is part of its appeal and that leads to some snobbishness.

Land Raiders are the easiest to 'fix' because the FW Land Raider Mk. IIb looks M31-ish at a relatively small price premium. Unfortunately, FW's Rhino-based vehicles and Outrider bikes are ridiculously expensive. But FW doesn't make a different-looking Drop Pod, Land Speeder (the normal one, not the Javelin - consider running with graviton guns), or Attack Bike so you have to use the plastic ones. Which means you might as well run plastic bikes, too.

The FW super-heavy tanks and Leviathan Dreadnought actually have a decent points/money ratio - better than plastic Attack Bikes and Land Speeders.

>>50580298
Don't forget the Bearversor.
>yfw Bearversor and Scoria face down in complete metal gear style.
>Also, this whole Alpharius thing is a major Fuck you to John French, and fuck him
Maybe he grew wary of Geneviève's geometry class and found motivation for offing Alphie?

>>50578015
>I don't like

is not the same as

>I cannot afford

Don't lie, don't muddle, don't fib to yourself and make excuses. If you can't afford something, just do what you can, but don't tell yourself and the world "Uhm, yeah, I think wolfy wolfy mc viking thunderwolf hovercraft looks better than one of the best looking fliers available in the citadel range."

It's fine if you have an aesthetic opinion, that's not my point. They look totally different, they have totally different dimensions, one is super GW'fied 40k plastic and the other is thematically great. I would be fine playing you, but I would not want to hear you talk about why you prefer the wolfbrickgrimderp.

>>50579074
The best points/money ratio comes from the following (3.7 to 5 points per GBP):

Characters based on the BaC Praetor and Chaplain
FW Apothecaries
Destroyers (because they're overcosted)
Dreadnoughts, both Contemptor (BaC) and boxnoughts (FW upgrade arms are still cost-efficient)
Heavy Support and Support squads (BaC/BoP tacticals w/ FW weapon kits)
Tactical and Veteran Tactical squads (BaC/BoP)
Terminators (BaC/BoP)
Seekers
Leviathan Siege Dreadnought
Land Raider Achilles
Stormblade
Typhon Siege Tank and Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer
Glaive

Then there's a gap to the next tier, which is still decent value, around 3 points per GBP:
Land Raider Phobos (even with FW's IIb kit)
Malcador Assault Tank
Fellblade and Falchion
Breachers
Recon Squads (which suck)
Contemptor Cortus and Mortis
Spartan
Caestus
Deredeo

After that, there's another gap. Assault squads using FW jump packs, all the flyers, all the Rhino-chassis vehicles, artillery tanks, Land Speeders (even plastic ones), bikes, jetbikes, and Sicarans are all in the "low value for money" category (less than 2.5 points/GBP).

>>50577936
Batman?

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>>50580363
>>yfw Bearversor and Scoria face down in complete metal gear style.
No, Bearversor, I am your father.

>>50580637
>Recon Squads (which suck)
But shroud bombs anon! SHROUD. BOMBS.

>>50580840
>Punished Bearversor

>>50580624
>Don't lie, don't muddle, don't fib to yourself and make excuses. If you can't afford something, just do what you can, but don't tell yourself and the world "Uhm, yeah, I think wolfy wolfy mc viking thunderwolf hovercraft looks better than one of the best looking fliers available in the citadel range."

I'm the same as him anon, assault rams look way cooler than dopey obese space shuttles. Also let's be real here, the storm eagle is not expensive, not really.

>You will definitely want to turn some of your BaC/BoP marines into support or heavy support squads, and if you use them as vets you'll still probably want some resin upgrades.

I've found so far I really want 40-50 assorted tactical-style marines in one block of 20, 2 blocks of 10 with Rhinos and a 5 man heavy and support squads. The terminators are what I'm less sure about, 30k termies are a bit of a hassle to get anywhere and realistically you want weapon upgrades for them. I've built some of my stuff stock for now but really you'll want a set of plasma guns for your special squads, a heavy weapon each for you heavy squads and volkites for your terminators.

At the end of master of mankind, did the portal to the webway close? Why did Big E go back to sitting on the throne?

What do you guys listen to while painting? I can only listen to Atlas Shrugged so many times.

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>>50581707

>>50581738
what can I say, it's one of my guilty pleasures. still better than harry potter tho

>>50581777
There's nothing wrong with reading Harry Potter when you were a child. It's the same with Ayn Rand, it's just a phase you're expected to grow out of.

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>>50580342
>I'd rather you called it a Caestus despite being way smaller.

Then I guess I'll just get a Stormraven and run it as a Storm Eagle, if size isn't an issue.

>>50580624
>cannot afford

What is chinaman, anon?

I bet you think the stormwolf is somehow unique and not in anyway in line with the likes of Caestus and Shark assault boats from BFG.

No, I don't like the stormraven and eagle, they're far too transporty for Marine attack crafts. I don't want a mere C-130, I want an assault boat, something aggressive and Marinelike. Would run one as a Caestus, but unfortunately the Caestus is way bigger. Would be like running a Rhino as a Land Raider. If Caetus was single hull craft, I'd be far more interested.

>>50581818
I dunno, Rand's prose is at least tolerable despite being horrifyingly long-winded. Rowling's use of adverbs makes me want to tear my eyeballs out with my fingers

>>50581707
For some reason Pompeii by E.S. Posthumous has been the only thing I listen to while painting for years now.

And I have no idea why.

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>>50578015
As a Stormraven/light assault lander? Yes. It's too small to be a Stormeagle. Trimming off all the dog-shit leaves you with an aircraft that is basically a drop-pod with the ability to redeploy. You're not going to be landing entire armies with these things, but they'd be good for inserting marines quickly and aggressively, and in places that a Thunderhawk or Stormbird couldn't fit.

>>50581707
music, movies, shows, occasionally games

Online battle reports are (depending on the channel) also pretty good. The sounds of dice and people getting rules wrong is the perfect background for painting shit.

could someone that lready has black book nr3 downloaded please post the falchion's rules ?
mega is being really slow for me and the book is like 980mb

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>>50579224
This one is Silo?

>>50581961
Looking at it now, it could make a decent Kharybdis proxy.

>>50581934
nice, I really like Unstoppable. E.S. Posthumous and Two Steps From Hell make driving to work that much more bearable desu

>>50581534
This LG post is genuinely helpful, imo:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=1979&st=120

tl;dr - the Golden Throne controls the portal. The Astronomican happens to be built into it for amplification (it's not centered on the Emperor - it was still a beacon on Terra while the Emperor was flying around the galaxy during the Crusade). And apparently it was meant for Magnus. So after Magnus tore the portal open, Russ was supposed to bring him back to sit in the chair and control his own damage. Horus messing with that order (changing it to "kill Magnus") was probably the second-worst thing Horus did during the whole Heresy.

When the Emperor leaves the throne to fight the daemons, the portal is open. To close it, he has to get back onto the Throne. A powerful psyker has to sit there at all times or the portal will open.

>>50581857
Kek, at one time it goes from "Who is John Galt" to "when will John Galt shut up?". As for adverbs
A) No biggie, it's a subjective thing
B) I read most of it in spanish, or so I think. I never remember that kind of details.

>>50581707
Clams Casino, Burial (New Album is out!),Kansas and Journey are some of my favourites.

Helps me relax and zone out nicely while painting.

Cat Empire is also amazing but sometimes to lively to swing brushes too.

>>50581987
THANK YOU
I think it's Alpharius posing as Silonius. Or something, idk

>>50581971
Do you have some recommendations?

>>50581961
>It's too small to be a Stormeagle.

How big is that thing then, because looks like a long stormraven and the stormwolf, from all the image I've seen, is about size of the stormraven, just longer. The wings seem to be the major difference in profile.

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>>50582073
No probs mate, yeah its Alpharius posing as Silo

>>50577936
It's Russ in his "anti-psychic" armor that is made of mystical Fenrisian material and has special wardings.

>>50577936
What the fuck?

>>50581987
>>50582073
It's just a generic Alpha Legionnaire. It's shown right after it talks about the AL wrecking shit on Jupiter with Headhunter teams.

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>>50581975
Don't have the black book downloaded, but here it is out of the latest LA red book. (I checked that it's the latest, it definitely is because it has the sky slayer squadron in.)

>>50582238
Dan Abnett has a bit of a weirder vision of 40k. It's a lot more rustic and has this weird blend of almost cyberpunk.

>>50582206
>mystical Fenrisian material

Oxcrementium?

>>50582266
The leather mask looks nothing like I imagined, that's all.

>>50582250
thanks anon

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>>50582189
It's about the size of a Stormraven, but it can hold 16 marines compared to the Stormraven's 12 because it's shaped like a metal box rather than a chibi-fied Thunderhawk.

You'd need an extension on either to pass for a Stormeagle, and unless you're doing it entirely with plasticard you may as well just get a Stormeagle. CH used to do this conversion kit, but it has been sold out on their site for a while. I've thought of kitbashing a Valkyrie hull onto it, but I have no idea if it'd match evenly with the Stormraven.

>>50582089
on stuff to watch? or do you mean specific battle report channels?

I can't bring any to mind offhand. Probably because I've been binging on bubblegum crisis while painting some ogryn.

>>50581707
30k podcasts, duh.

Eye of Horus for entertainment
Age of Darkness for fluff
Radio Free Isstvan for rules/lists expertise

I haven't been able to really get into any of the others.

>>50582332
Channels, but thanks.

Good luck with your Big Guys!

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>>50582330
>It's about the size of a Stormraven

The Storm Eagle looks to be more of less the same length as the raven, it just has a hull extending the entire length, rather than having a space under the tail for the dreadnought.

>>50582503
Hmmm, Mantis!

Good taste.

>>50582060
yeah that speech was hilariously long

>>50582503
The storm eagle kit is just that;it uses the storm raven kit with a resin extended cab and rear assault ramp.

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>>50582503
The Raven is still only about 3/4 of the length of the Eagle, and only half of that is occupiable space. The Stormwolf has more room than the Stormraven, but it still doesn't have the bulk or length of the Stormeagle (it's a flying box with babby wings), unless you don't mind it being on the small side

Orbital assault and the flyer RoW now gives Storm eagles, Caestus, Thunderhawks and Stormbirds the drop pod assault rule.

Go

>>50582733

Tbh I don't know why you'd want to use the wolf ram as a storm eagle instead of a Caestus, which it seems born to be

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What's your assessment of where Breacher squads stand relative to Tactical squads?

(Factor in RoWs and Legion bonuses as you want).

>>50582833

Too expensive outside zone mortalis. Good in ZM and with their RoW

Both are arguably inferior to assault marines as objective grabbers

>>50582816
Not my idea, but despite being an assault ram like the Caestus, the fact that the Caestus has two holds rather than one defeats the purpose of using/modding a Stormwolf. Unless you can get two Wolves for dirt cheap+modding parts, you'll spend more on two Wolves than you would on a Caestus.

>>50582833
Breachers look cool but cost too much for what they bring.

>>50582833
you're paying 75 points for a 6+ invulnerable save and the option to purchase special weapons

at the cost of losing fury of the legion

>>50582886

The only conversions that it seems to need are just weapon swaps, you don't need to emulate the dual exits considering that they're right next to each other anyway, making the gameplay ramifications minuscule

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>>50582201
>>50581987
I don't know who else should be there, but that's as far as I go.

>>50582833
Tactical Marines got cheaper in the last red book while Breacher squads above 15 models got more expensive. They're usually taken for survivability, so 20-man squads with apothecaries are/were common. Unless you're playing an IF Stone Gauntlet list, it's hard to justify them. The loss of multi-melta-bombing doesn't help.

But... they're not total garbage if your plan involves having a unit that's very difficult to kill. They're not hopelessly overcosted, just overcosted.

>>50582833
Breachers want a dedicated transport to make use of their special weapons but that generally puts them very close to Terminator-tier points costs, I always forget if they're bulky or not but I guess you could have them work with a Drop Pod but in that scenario Tactical Supports are better.

Tacticals are good, they're the mid tier option of troops that can be good in certain legions, cant go wrong with them.

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>>50582786

>>50582972
>I always forget if they're bulky or not
they're not

>>50582972

To be fair a proteus is rarely a bad use of points if you can fit one in.

>>50583015
10 Breachers in a Proteus did become 45pts cheaper IIRC

>>50583064

Honestly if they made hardened armor effect invulnerable or cover saves as well, breachers would be pretty good objective sitters

>>50583064
What about Immortals?

Them having feel no pain is pretty cool, doesn't stack with apothecaries...does it?

>>50583112
Shields should augment armor saves or cover saves somehow. It's not like they see someone shooting them with a bolter and think: "Oh, I'll move my shield out of the way and use my armor for this shot." No, no way they wouldn't use their shield at all times.

Should be rerollable armor save, or a 'shield save' of like 4+ if armor is failed or something.

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>>50582816
Don't talk to me or my stormdog ever again.

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>>50583133
Neither Apothecaries nor Ferrus Manus. The same goes for Gorgons. It's meant to make them more resilient as a gameplay mechanic, being essentially T5 3+/6+->5++ with FnP in theory makes them tough, but you could always add a real apothecary to a vanilla Breacher squad and it would be the same.

You see, all of the Adeptus Astartes Red Book is outdated, not just Headhunters. Outdated since all troops and vets became cheaper, in a way.
>>50583166
I agree but only partially, that would essentially give any non-Fist non-Salamander Praetor a Stormshield or better.
Make it +1 to invulns if it's in base contact with another model with a boarding shield, that way it becomes better than combat shields in melee, as it should, and entices the player to use testudos, as it should, while still allowing the possibility of a Praetor with good invuln, but only if he rolls with the Breachers. I mean look at this model.

>>50582950
Yeah, Stone Gauntlet + apothecary was what I was weighing up against tactical blobs.

>>50582911
With Stone Gauntlet they also get Toughness + 1 though, that's the tricky part for me.

>>50582897
IRL considerations are a big part of it for me. Too expensive for me to feel okay throwing that much on mere troops, who should (eventually) get their own plastic kit, or a more cost-efficient conversion kit.

>>50582950
>>50582972
Interesting perspectives, thanks.

>>50583257

>outdated

True, with the exception of most legion specific termies who are ok.

Tbh every primarch should lose about 60-80 points besides maybe Girlyman and Horus.

>>50583322
I wish mine'd make some gainz desu.

>>50583305
>With Stone Gauntlet they also get Toughness + 1 though, that's the tricky part for me.
oh, that's a bit different, then

Being wounded on 5's is relevant, unless you expect to see a shit ton of high strength/sniper/poison shooting.

>>50582330
How is that Chapterhouse kit Stormraven in comparison to the Storm Eagle? I got a Stormraven kit and only Marine army I play is a 30k legion, which don't have a stormraven. Been wondering if a hull extension and some other changed (missile pods, etc.) would be enough.

>>50583381

Also not losing FNP until fuckin STR 10 or the D is big too.

>>50583424

Sadly chapter house doesn't even make that kit anymore

It would work if you could get some big missile pods to put on the back, it'll still be a bit short

>>50583427
>get hit in the head by a powerfist
>apothecary put as plaster on it

't is but a scratch !

>>50583440
I'm getting conflicted reports on that. It's out of stock, I've also read about people who've ordered said kit some time ago and got it. Maybe they just make them to order or something?

>>50583427
It could make the difference now and again.

Another thing the breachers have going for them is the invulnerable saves, which, while small, can make some kind of difference.
Putting an atomantic Deredeo next to them would give them a 5++ against shooting, would it not? Then another 5+ from Fnp, up to lascannon tier.

Breachers vs Krak:
>T5, 6++, 5+ Fnp

Tac vs Krak:
>T4, nothing else

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>>50583468

>>50583468
>get hit in torso with power fist
>shield absorbs a fifth of the momentum, apothecary un-crushes your ribcage

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>>50583424
With the conversion kit all you need to do is to improvise some missile batteries on the tail and lascannons for the wings and you're good to go.

>>50583427
There's that, but in either case you have to choose between transports and feel no pain because of the way squad sizes are set. And because I'm not alpha legion, I have a lot of faith in metal boxes.

In ZM the T5+invuln+hardened armour+FNP makes them totally worth their extra points, but in topside games with tanks and giant robots running around, it's an unnecessary expense. You can almost buy a tac squad and an appropriate support squad for the same cost.

>>50583322
Perturabo himself doesn't really need to be cheaper with the number of buffs provided

>>50583305
>Yeah, Stone Gauntlet + apothecary was what I was weighing up against tactical blobs.
To my untrained eyes, Stone Gauntlet doesn't look that great... but a lot of people have had a lot of success with it. It's one of those list type that seems to work better in practice than in theory. So take those breachers. Not for all your troops slots, just the "anvil" units.

>>50583866
What legion is that?

The colour scheme says blood angels, but the kopesh says thousand sons

>>50583866
>>50584027

If I had to guess, they're Blood Angels in service to Imperium Secundus, hence the Ultramarine blue left shoulder plate.

Do they ever explain why the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus have that weird gray-green paint scheme?

>>50583975
>Not for all your troops slots, just the "anvil" units.

Naturally, the idea is to have the breachers as compulsory troops in order to give a Termie deathstar T5 2+/3++/FNP.

>>50583257
>Make it +1 to invulns if it's in base contact with another model with a boarding shield
Thats already a RoW similar to that. Plus it doesnt change the fact the marine is not using the shield to actually shield himself against most weapons.

Maybe a reroll equal to the shields invulnerable save. Then against like AP2 you only get the invul.

>Shields: Models equipped with a shield of any kind that has an invulnerable save may reroll armor and cover saves with a roll equivalent to the shields invulnerable save.

For example a breacher marine is wounded by a bolter. It fails it’s 3+ armor save on a 2 and may reroll it; passing on a 5+.

>>50581707
Audiobooks and Netflix shows. Fifth Season and its sequel by NK Jemisin were pretty good and easy to pay attention to while painting. Currently listening to the latest Expanse audiobook by James SA Corey and so far I'm liking it. Also this past week I watched the final season of Person of Interest on Netflix, holy shit that show was amazing and it's a damn shame nobody talks about it.

>>50584489

Luna Wolves specialize in surprise decapitation strikes. You need gray camouflage for void warfare, moon warfare, and fortress assaults; and green warfare for fighting on terran planets and jungles. Every other combat environment didn't fucking matter most of the time in the Great Crusade, or already had legions which specialized for those environments.

>>50584489
In honor of Chthonia, wasn't it?

>>50585007

They needed more than the thug lyfe shit to honor that shithole?

>>50584883
>The Raven Guard specialize in surprise decapitation strikes.
FTFY

>>50585057

Technically speaking half the legions specialized in surprise decapitation strikes, but they all had different flavors or distinctions on the same tactic. Luna Wolves did it first, Ultramarines apes it best, Raven Guard pulls magical bullshit with it, Night Lords have too much fun with it, Death Guard just shove their dicks in your ass and call it a day, etc.

>>50585057
>The Alpha Legion specialize in surprise decapitation strikes.
FIFY

>>50585110

>implying anybody knows what the hell the Alpha Legion specialized in

>>50585110
>The Alpha Legion specialize in surprise Alpha Legion strikes*
>* ???

FTFY

>>50585092
>decapitation strikes
I dont think you know what that means

>>50579488
>I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

What did they by this?

Is it just me thinking this or is there a legit possibility that Alpharius was the first Daemon primarch now?

>>50585110
>>50585121
>>50585149
The knife in your back was placed by an Alpha.

>>50585287
>Fire
What did Dorn mean by this?

>>50585287

It's possible that Alpharius was the first to fall and merely caused the cycle of events which we are familiar with today. It's also possible that this plot is actually a mission from Big E to have Alpharius be the inside man.

>>50585335
But it's far more likely that BL will go for whatever's the worst possible option.

Ok, I was going to make a Xana army, which you're all probably tired of me going on about, and I've been reading through the fluff on the Incursion.

Was it stated anywhere what armour colour the loyalist attackers were? I'm building Scoria's base and I'm going to put a wounded Marine desperately trying to point a bolt pistol at him, backed up against a barricade. If its not stated, what legion should he be?
Also, how chaos can I make the Homonculex? I want it to look a bit more evil than a regular robot, but I assume it wouldn't be full Daemon Engine yet.

>>50585358

>Alpharius was a woman all along
>Omegon has secretly been lusting after his twin sister all this time and only follows Chaos to bang her

>>50585387
Anon I said worst, not best.

>>50585387
>twincest

Not sure if want...

>>50585381
Endryd's marines were disguised as Sons of Horus, so it'd be verdigris.

>>50585426
Giant twinest.
In the grim darkness of the far future.
IN SPACE.

>>50585387
>>Alpharius was a woman all along

Would explain why he died like a bitch.

>>50585381
There were Dark Angels, in black, Blackshields, at least some of whom were dressed as Sons of Horus, and the "dead" marines who woke up - they would've looked like the Isstvan V (possibly III) legions.

>>50585476
Ayyyyy lmao

>>50585381
>Also, how chaos can I make the Homonculex?
As a Daemon engine but without the horns and spikes, maybe.
Probably unpainted or with orange/yellow as test colours, since the Homonculex is Scoria's test subject. It's his WIP.
>>50585331
What did Alpharius mean by Victory?
>>50585358
So Alpharius is the False Emperor

>>50585387
>worst

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Fluffu question:

Can sufficiently gifted non-navigator psykers drive starships in the warp? Are there examples of this?

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Alpharius confirmed for being The Sin Archbishop Sloth

>>50585551
Didn't The Russ do it that one time.

>>50585517
>What did Alpharius mean by Victory?
I think he was trying to say that letting Horus win would ultimately doom Chaos (which is somehow "victory" despite humanity being destroyed). So basically trying to explain the plot of Legion, which will of course cause people to want to cut your hands and head off.

>>50585551
Yes, Sorcerers and Possessed can do it.

>>50585579
>Alpharius confirmed for being

A dead faggot.

>B-but... victory

>>50585551
Yes, Ahriman does it in Ahriman: Exile

Problem is it's really inaccurate and you can only make small jumps at a time to make sure you're headed in the right direction, Ahriman himself describes it as "trying to scry the future though the patterns of sand slipping through a child's fingers" or something like that

>>50585590
I thought the Alphas had their own, non-cabal plan, where hopefully humanity was going to survive?

>>50585610
>Possessed
Well, it stands to reason that daemons can navigate the warp.

>>50585674

Humanity did survive. The problem is humanity is being crushed by the sheer weight of galactic threats. Alpharius will have to act with a new plan if he is indeed a loyalist insider to save humanity from being decapitated by Abaddon while it's being held down by all these xenos bitches.

>>50585381
>>50585494
Riven describes the whole "dead but not" thing to a degree so it might be worth a read.

Also a lot of them might have old battle damage /missing limbs.

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How to Imperial Fist?

>>50586190
Bolters and power fists.

>>50586190
midrange breacher army

>>50586190
>not Lorgar
One job

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>>50586190
Learn to love bolters.
It has been proven by /hhg/ Experts* that bolters are 10/10 waifus that will never leave you no matter what.

*/hhg/ has never been host to a post by any Expert, on anything.

>>50586224
Am I the only one who finds it weird the Imperial Fist himself doesn't have a power fist in his FW rules (yet Guilliman does)?

>>50586246
>.75

Too bad Tigrus is .60 and Phobos .70.

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>>50586237

>>50586190
>>50586337
I can just imagine Mortarion in there having the time of his life.

>>50586190
2 words:
>SNIPER
>VETS

My buddy is trying to convert up a nemean reaver, anyone have ideas as to how to make a good one? currently my idea is eidolon with the EC stuff shaved off, with an empire flambard and 40k Dangel vet head with some extra greenstuff work, but i'm not sure how that would go in practice

>>50586190

>shoop Omegon behind Dorn with the cartoon Jew rubbing his hands body

>>50586337
Best ending
>>50586389
>Mmmhmmm. You are alright, Dorn. I should instal one of these saunas in the ship. "Pain Glove" you call it?
>N-... Yes.

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>read Master of Mankind
>suddenly want to make my traitors loyalists

>>50586190
Pick a RoW and use it, they're so generic that really anything works with them, Armored Breakthrough with Sniper Vets in rhinos? Drop Assault Vanguard with Lascannon squads supporting them? Sky-Hunter Phalanx with BS5 heavy bolters? Recon Company with deep striking Terminators? All good, Imperial Fists are vanilla marines and vanilla is the best flavour.

>>50586389
Morty's a hoot. I wish he and his legion stayed loyal.

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>>50584832
Eh, it could be, if not for the fact everybody want overly simple rules because kiddies cannot deal with that.
I mean, your proposed rule makes more sense than FW's Siege Mantlets, the original boarding shields.

>>50582947

>Russ
>Not Scooby

>>50577936

LEMAN?

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>>50586190
>>50586337

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>>50586745
>I wish he and his legion stayed loyal
We all wish so, Morty would have been an exceptional Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Prime, and his 7th captain was indeed the First Knight Errant.
That's what happens when your only friend is the Warmaster, eh Alpharius?
And the one responsible for their fall was Typhon, so, in a way, it's also the WB's fault.

>>50586760
Dunno, he wasn't there.

>>50583568

SAY MY NAME

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>>50586778
>Presses the gas button, Dorn is gassed instead
>Welcome to Iron Cage booby traps 101 :^)

>>50586778

Shouldn't it be Dorn inside and Perturabo outside, hitting a button simply labelled "CAGE."

why do people think Invictarus suzerains are good?

200 points for 5 models with str 4 ap 2 weapons, artificer armor, boarding shields, and 1 wound

>>50586830

Because its a dare. Either you spend a turn killing them because they'll fuck you in the face or you don't and you'll have to live with the embarrassment of getting fucked in the face by a cheap knockoff.

Is Rho-Mu's library dead.

>>50586873
no?

>>50586849

Cheap knockoff of what?

>>50586964

Phoenix Warders in this case.

>>50586830
>Costs as much as a terminator squad with power fists, but with WS5, Chosen Warriors and +1Ld buff
>Exactly the same as said terminators, but with assault & defensive grenades, non-bulky. Can take a Legion Standard for Fearless.
>The entire squad has AP2 at initiative, with 6s to-hit causing auto-wounds, which is better than rending.
>Meanwhile, the Custodes aren't fearless and barely have rending, not to mention conditional AP2. The 40k version lacks grenades.
I don't know, you tell me.
The only thing holding them back is their price, which is actually the very same as regular terminators.

>>50586988
Even the custodes recognize the Invictarius as their superiors, and strive to emulate them in battle.

>>50586988

The only thing holding them back is one can be acquired off the shelf and the other must be acquired legally from the FW site.

>>50587014
Kek.
Invictarii are Ld10 with a 12" bubble of +1Ld to UM and IM, with optional Fearless.
I think Custodes are Ld9.
No wonder why they couldn't take back the webway, alongside their hueg swords of huegness.

>>50586976
Phalanx Warders.

>>50586793
>And the one responsible for their fall was Typhon
Kids - always bringing Chaos into your life and empire.

>>50587097

And people wonder why Space Marines don't knock up SoBs.

>>50587066
That's why the emperor and malcador were so pissed they couldn't reach guilliman on the astro-phone.

Just ship over a few ultramarines and all their problems are solved.

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EC dude from the other day here; my Betrayal at Calth set is arriving next week. Using only parts from the set, what would be the optimal load-out for the Tac. Squads and Cataphactii? Bonus round: What is the best rule of cool load-out?

>>50587692
>Tac. Squads

Bolter, Chainsword and Pistol Sergeant with Power Fist to deal with vehicles or spear to deal with artificer armor.

>Cataphactii

Combi-meltas+Autocannon, outflank them with Maru Skara and wreck vehicles or power fists and combi-bolters to do the same.

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>Hurr durr we're not actually stupid barbarians we just think and act like stupid barbarians all the time if you think that we're stupid barbarians just because we are stupid barbarians then just got tricked *wet leopard growl* my name is NOT Bear XD

>>50587828
>wet leopard growl

Lost it

>>50586818
I've always thought the text was better as 'kekekek watching Normie's get rekt'

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>>50579488
fuck i LOVE these twists

i love the alpha legion so much

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>>50579704

>>50588003
>"Move, you idiots! Can't you see I'm not wearing a helmet? That means I'm important!"

>>50588081
lol

>>50588003
Glorious is it not, Brother Alpharius?

I'm so fucking hype to finally get enough dosh to get my "alphas disguised as ultras explicitly for the purpose of mutability and keks" started.

Anyone have suggestions for BaC assembly given they'll be Alphas?

>>50588118
Magnetize. Make them able to be any force whenever you need them to be.

>>50588003
>>50588081

>"Which of you assholes took my helmet. And if you say 'Alpharius did' again I swear I will skin you all alive."

>>50588003

I was about to ask if that's supposed to be Dynat but I realized the futility of my question

>>50579488
Wait, Alpharius wasn't sucking any of the Chaos gods' dicks. How can he become a daemon prince?

>>50588708
Because he is the Chaos gods

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Basic Plot

Ollanius Pius is still leading his band of survivors across both time and space to try and reach Terra. They're hunted by the forces of chaos and the cabal who presumably want Horus to win the war. Pius uses his captured Athame blade to cut wormholes guided by a warp-compass to new planets but they have gotten lost. They emerge on a DAOT-era human colony in M23 shortly after the revolt of the Iron Men. On the world they encounter john grammaticus who tries to lead them into a trap. Pius sees through the deception and kills Grammaticus who turns out to be a shape-shifting Alpha Legion agent. Pius then leads his company into a type of blackhole/cosmic void on the planet left behind by the iron men, saying this can get them to terra but is much more dangerous.

Insights/Revelations

-Ollanius Pius forgets his precise age but says he is 45,000 years old "give or take" by the time of the Horus Heresy. This would make him born in about 15,000 B.C.. Even older then the Emperor if they're sticking with the 8,000 B.C. figure.

-He describes the Perpetuals as a "vestigial" branch of the human race with many special powers

-Pius does not like the Emperor despite being of the same race as him. He views him as a "thing"


-There's some insight into the Men of Iron. They began the "cybernetic revolt" in M23 which was at the very end of the dark age of technology. It was a devastating war that made the Horus Heresy seem like nothing. Talks about how the Iron Men had world-sized machines eating up stars and nano machine swarms. He considers the cybernetic revolt a lot more of a simpler war and has nostalgia back to fighting in it for some reason

-The Athame can go back and maybe forwards in time but presumably Erebus didn't know how to do this. Pius can though. Pius has come across and knows of many blades that can cut across space but only a few exist that can cut through time. Reminded me of Gandalf's reaction to a magical ring.

>>50588732
Is it folded a million times?

>>50588732
Ah, capable of out shitting ADB, as expected of Fagnett-senpai.

>>50588862
besides pious not liking the emperor I liked it.

And that really isn't a big deal BY THIS POINT. Pious being an immortal catholic man instead of just your average joe already defeated the original meaning of his sacrifice.

Plus it's known that all the natural perpetuals hate the emperor.

>>50588732
>horus heresy getting the worf effect
>age of strife alpha legion

10/10, primo quality

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>>50588413
>I was about to ask if that's supposed to be Dynat but I realized the futility of my question

>>50588732

Okay I have been very open minded about all this Horus Heresy stuff but that's way too far. Could somebody put Abnett back on a leash? I get that they have Abnett in the stable specifically to push the property in strange new directions but the last time I really liked his work was Legion. He works best when he has somebody to tell him no.

>>50588708
>Wait, Alpharius wasn't sucking any of the Chaos gods' dicks.
Zuvassin thought he was hilarious.

>>50588977
>He works best when he has somebody to tell him no.
He works best when he's doing things in the small scale.

>>50588977

>last thing I liked was legion

Know no Fear was pretty fuckin good m8.

>>50588732
>Ok Alpharius, your mission is simple! We will send you 7000 years into the past dressed as this dumb faggot we killed, you see anyone familiar YOU KILL THEM!
>Wait, what?
>Exactly! HYDRA DOMINATUS BROTHER!.

>>50588915
It wasnt really age of strife alpha legion. Oll says that their enemies were following them. Either the AL have their own athame or the chaos gods opened up a portal for them.

>>50588977
Abnett invented the modern incarnation of the GOTG which is one of the biggest superhero franchises today. Guy is on cloud 9. He doesnt' give a shit with 40k really anymore.

>>50589336
Random space marine out of time is still a random space marine out of time, because god forbid 40k didn't cram a few space marines everywhere, even outside of their own timeline.

Can't wait for space marines in Fantasy stories.

>>50589336

PROOF OF DP ALPHARIUS

HYDRA BOWL STATUS: FUCKING CONFIRMED

GET

HYPED

>>50589350
Yet here he is, still writing z grade genre fiction.

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Blud angles

>20 assault marines with combat shields
>Chaplain with a jump pack and artificer armour
>apothecary with a jump pack and artificer armour

So take two of those as my troops, am I blood angels-ing right or am I missing some simple shit

If it's not obvious this is my first 30k army

>>50589417

He probably isn't even a Daemon Prince.

He probably is just a disembodied Primarch poltergeist that got bored being dead.

>>50589413
>SMs in fantasy stories
Got some bad news for you anon... does the name Kaldor Draigo ring a bell?

>>50589451
>am I blood angels-ing right or am I missing some simple shit
Needs more Asscans.

Deredeos with nipple asscans. Contemptors with palm asscans.

>>50589516
Duel asscannon contemptor is for sure tempting, puts some dakka in a mostly melee army, BA dreads aren't any better since they always wound on 2s already right?

I was gonna have those two troops, the apothecaries, the chaplains, some basilisks for popping vehicles not calls spartans open, sprinkle some melta bombs in and voila

Oh and for my Final hat trick I'm gonna... wait for it... load a kitted praetor and squad of termies in a LR and roll them up the field to assault and rape something, bet noones done that before!

>>50580121
>Do you want our memes to enter BL and FW books

>IG tries to convince invading ork army the floor is lava, they believe they are fireproof now. Wave of fireproof orks terrorize the galaxy.

Yes. Yes we do.

>>50589577

>LR

Can't do it mate, need a Spartan and some more doods.

After much thought and consideration. I've decided to make a Imperial Fists army. Rise, Sons of Dorn!!!

>>50589619
I don't have $150 to spend on a single unit at the moment

Maybe in he future when I'm more invested in 30k, right now I just have to find stop gaps until I break down and just start proxying

>>50589619
4 man terminator command squad can.

>>50589639

Sounds good but you literally can't fit a Praetor and Termies in a LR as there's no such thing as a 12 slot LR in 30k and no one can come in units of less than 5.

>>50589619
Wait can't 6 termies fit in a standard LR Phobos?

>>50589656

Yeah that's true, I forgot about them.

>>50589673

Nope, phobos is just the regular plain Jane land raider.

>>50589673
Not before nor after 5e Codex: SM.

>>50589683
It's the only way I got my Praetor to fit with terminators into a Proteus.

>>50589692
Am I insane in the membrane or is there a 40k Land Raider with more than 10 seats? The Crusader?

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I need help
What books should I get from the Horus Heresy series that
1. Are good
2. Are understandable on their own or with another listed book

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>>50589752
Crusader and redeemer have expanded capacity, the Phobos is less because reasons forgotten to mankind, seeing as it's not better in other ways that let it do its job or anything

>>50589752
Crusader has 15. Apparently Godhammer power generators are 2.5x the size of a Marine.

>>50589793
I liked the part where this book was actually about a woman wanting to fuck a bear.

Thanks, Trudeau.

>>50589821
Meanwhile the Spartans packs twice the lascannons and 150% more transport capacity, while not really being any larger than the phobos.

>>50589821
>the giant power generator meme

Except a fuck load of other things have multiple twin linked las cannons and are smaller than LRs and have transport capacity too, look at a damn vendetta for a good example, and that's just your bog standard attack flyer forge worlds make by the bajillions, not a sacred land raider for the astartes

That whole "the power generators take up space" thing is retarded, if they are "special" high tech lascannons reflect it in the crunch, otherwise old yeller it

>>50589842
"10/10, would let a bear fuck my wife"
-J.T.

>>50589639

I made a shitty Typhon out of basewood for an apocalypse game. Was like $50 and 2 months work but it's possible.

Just get a picture of the bits from EBay and scale it so the tracks are 1in wide.

>>50589888
Hey, that's the official reason for the increased transport capacity.

>>50589988
I know, it's just as a CSM player it pisses me off

>>50588732
So the Athame or whatever-the-fuck is literally the knife from The Subtle Knife

>>50588902
How can Big-O be Catholic, anyway? He's literally older than the Earth is according to the Bible.

>>50590106
Being catholic doesn't mean rejecting all science, it just means you believe in god AND that you don't actively hate the pope.
I mean, just ask Daredevil, last time I checked he was catholic rather than christian, or protestant or whatever. They all look the same to me and can get by using the same book.

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>>50589888
>doesn't even know the fluff

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>>50589888
>look at a damn vendetta for a good example

Oh, I agree. A perfect example, if I may say so.

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Hey look, plastic stormbird

secretly want to try to convert it

>>50590337
The amount of effort just makes me think that the FW purchase is worth it

>>50590106
Maybe he lived in 'biblical' times, maybe he saw Abraham and his god, maybe he saw Christ and was convinced by his ways. Im not sure what the age of the Earth has to do with anything because not even the pope believes in Creationist insanity.

>>50590360

The FW kit's gonna take just as much effort.

>>50589586
>Cyrene? 'Ow am I s'posed ta work on dat burny chunk 'o soot? It ain't like I can hides in da lava! Mork knows, I ain't tryin' dat trick AGAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0vDQWMJNbE&list=PLF0E7EE0C4D77F744&index=14
That's precisely the best part of all Retribution

>>50590488
Maybe if he had enough of his fellows thinking he could, and if he believed he could have done it, Spookmus could have done it.

>>50589821
>>50589807
There was a brief period of time where the phobos had a capacity of twelve marines. Likely because whoever wrote the codex (was it 5e with ward? probably) realized that all land raiders should be able to transport a squad of terminators AND a character in terminator armour.

I don't know why they went back on that. There's precious few reasons to take the godhammers over the super flamers and hurricane racks even with the buff.

>>50590582
>I don't know why they went back on that.
>There's precious few reasons to take the godhammers over the super flamers and hurricane racks even with the buff.

Think you answered your own question there.

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EC-guy, next Marine in the works. More practice with studs, though I've noticed that it's really easy to add too few or too many if they're not spaced just right. On the upside, I can slap these little fuckers anywhere for instant MkV Heresy

>>50590603
What I mean is, why nerf the already sub-par option? It makes no sense.

I love the default raider. I want to use it with my shooty terminators and terminator captain. I'd use it in 30k too if I could, indomitus and all.

>>50590688
The Redeemer/Crusader kit came out in 5e.

You do the math.

>>50590726
5e is when the phobos was given its 12-man capacity. I believe that's the only edition where it had it.

They need to bring back the old defensive weapons rule and expand on them. Being forced to shoot the heavy bolters at the same target as the lascannons on the phobos is stupid and doesn't make any sense.

>>50590744
Yeah, and maybe the Redeemer/Crusader didn't sell well enough. Or sales were going down.

>>50590765
I doubt that, considering the redeemer was the meme WAAC choice of 5e marines.

Chances are they just copy+pasted an older set of rules without thinking about it, or redacted the change because it was off of the "all marine legacy gear must be identical to 3rd edition because FUCK YOU" style guide.

>>50590247
>and can get by using the same book.
People been killed for that, man.

>>50590688
Probably because it was being used to carry 10 power armored models and 2 ICs.

Giving it 11 capacity probably would have been fine though.

>>50590796
I recall there being definite balance reasons for them reducing the capacity of the Phobos, but what they were slips my mind. It was definitely something that came up frequently in discussions on balance, though.

>>50590617
What method are you using for adding those studs anyway?

>>50590914
A 1mm drill bit and, as seen in the bottom right corner, 1mm beads (got more than I'll ever use in that container for $2 at the craft store). A pair of tweezers and a steady hand help immensely when applying the super glue and setting the beads.

>>50589944
Or paper hammer if you're real cheap

>>50591443

Nah, if your going to make a giant tank to run over riptides, you want it to feel like it can run over riptides.

>>50590106
Likely he met the IRL Jesus and became one of his followers as he liked his message.

>>50591605
Switch to something sturdier, like cardstock or pizza boxes.

http://thegrimcheapness.blogspot.com/search/label/Paperhammer

>>50591670
Next his two most famous possessions will have been a handful of silver and a halter of straw.

How can I deal with 10 IF terminators with storm shield, the row that gives them T5 and a primus medicae with my EC ??

>>50591996
With your ap2 @ I5 and bonus resolution points or a flamer squad to drown him in wounds.

>>50591996
Drown it in wounds. At some point something should stick.

Or whip out the Str D

>>50592096
My ap2 I5 squad, hits on 3+, wounds on 4+, and he saves his men on 3+/5+, if I kill a terminator I'm a lucky guy :(

>>50592133
That's why you'll use that crusader bonus along with whatever other banners or special characters you can cram in their in order to get him with a sweeping advance.

>>50592162
But he whipe out my squad so easily everytime, His tons of fists attacks just rekt the shit out of my Phoenix or Palatines. And if I survived somehow, he still wins the combat resolution even with my bonuses...

>>50591996
>giant blob of 40mm based CC infantry
blow up their tank, then slap them with a demolisher cannon?

shit, considering the amount of points in that unit throw in a master of signals and/or double or triple up on whatever demolisher-cannon vehicle of your choice.

>>50592253
What is usually around the terminators ? Sounds like a huge amount of points sunk into one deathstar unit.

What I usually do in such a case is run rings around the deathstar, maybe feed it some cheap tactical squads to keep it occupied, and meanwhile kill everything else.

>>50591700
And make everything in lots of 10

>>50592339
3x15 T5 breachers
2 pred with lascan and plasma executionners canon
A melee contemptor

Another exclusive FW mini coming to GW stores

This time its a primus medicae

>>50592402
EC, i'm artillery
They're big guys-For You
No Survivors
memes aside, artillery solves all your problems. so does vehicles with good cannons. Or run multiple melee contemptors to kill his non-termie dudes and ruin whatever his delivery system for his terminators, if its teleporting just avoid them, thats like 700 points in one unit. Also whats his warlord? he needs at least a praetor to run Gauntlet

>>50591996
>>50592133
>>50592253

You must know the basic rule of shoot the choppy ones and chop the shooty ones, right? Why are you throwing melee units at his tooled up melee deathstar? Send your palatine blades to deal with his breachers, feed his terminators something cheap, or kite them around, you should have better mobility. If they're tied up then that's a huge chunk of his army that's doing nothing.

>>50592565
a leviathan with the grav-bombard would also get work done

>>50592565
Yeah, you're right, maybe I should ally to some militia to bring some artillery because my shooting phase is pretty bad..

Oh I forgot, he brings a Praetor (with solaris gauntlet and shield) inside his terminators, so yeah it's a ~750 points deathstar

>>50592633
dude, just avoid that shit and shoot him. No need for militia, thudd guns are cheap as chips and so are demolisher cannons, you can bring either two kitted out malcadors or SEVEN VINDICATORS for an equivalent price, both of which will fuck him up. Whats the delivery method?

>>50592681
>or SEVEN VINDICATORS
he could also bring like, seven dreadnoughts if he wanted to be silly

>>50592698
Or 1.07142857 Mastodons.

>>50592633
What about Fulgrim?

>>50592716
He could also bring, like, three land raiders and shove them off the board with clever tank movement.

>>50592729
Or nearly 6 of those fancy Predators with 3-shot plasma cannons.

>>50592698
Cortus dreads, he could bring five with chainfists and fists yeah. Boxnoughts he shouldnt even think of. Basically, get yourself some vehicles or long-ranged shooting or really any form of s10 to simply annihilate him, EC were all about the whole perfection of every aspect of war so vehicles and artillery work fine
>>50592729
Or, he could bring 21 rhinos and shove him off the board under weight of plastic, if we're getting really weird

>>50592759
>Or, he could bring 21 rhinos and shove him off the board under weight of plastic, if we're getting really weird
Problem is rhinos can be reliably stopped with power fists, whereas a land raider can soak death or glories with its AV14, while also being THICC enough to force the squad to one side or break coherency.

I didn't choose land raiders entirely on a whim, though it is super gimmicky.