Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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>>50585073
Which Class Order Hall campaign would you adapt to a tabletop campaign and why?

My personal picks would be Warrior, Death Knight, Druid, and Shaman. Maybe Monk, too.

>>50585161
To be honest, I am not familiar with campaigns of most of the classes, due to lack of information. I know what is DK campaign about, and more or less about Paladins, Priests, and Shamans. But not about the rest.
Oh, and something about Hunters seeking Hakkar, who is now some boring Fel Lord, instead of Overfiend, which would actually fit his description so far.

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>Can't tell of this is a corrupted proto-dragon or corrupted regular dragon, or very mutated Twilight Dragon

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>>50586130
nvm, this apparently is a corrupted Twilight Drake.

>>50585161
having finished the DK, DH and warlock campaigns, and done the first chapter of the warrior, druid and hunter campaigns. I'd say that my first pick would be DK

DHs are just hilariously incompetent, and the warlock campaign is pretty uninteresting outside of the first and last quests

How are you getting ready to celebrate Winter Veil?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp9C_0_JeYE

>tfw finally got based Thal'kiel the absolute maderedar his last golden artifact trait

Kil'jaeden and Archimonde are cowards, feels good to be on the winning side

Never thought I would say this, but Hearthstone will save Warcraft.

This isn't /vg/, retards.

>>50587618
I for one welcome our new 7/7 overlords
Every expansion since LoE has been an overall gain for Warcraft's lore, especially if they added more of it to WoW

Explorer's League raid and updated Gadgetzan when

>>50587690
>/vg/
>lore

>>50585161
Why was the rogue order campaign so shit? It started out strong but there was so many weird/unexplained things. Why am I not allowed inside Stormwind as an alliance character? Why is Mathiass Shaw a dreadlord 3/4 of the way through the campaign but back to normal when I do my asassination artifact quest? The ending is also really abrupt and the final quest was way too easy.

>>50586561
I'd like to camp some corpse, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4IkPkelbrg&t=0

>>50585161
>Which Class Order Hall campaign would you adapt to a tabletop campaign and why?
Warcloks,if not casualization thei class campaign could look great as old warlocks class quests.

>>50587618
It brought back Naxxramas and everyones favorite sexy Lich, KT so I like it just fine

Challenge: Plot up a factionless WoW that still has the current WoW's basic direction

>Vanilla>TBC>WotLK>Cata>MoP>WoD>Legion

Obviously you have to account for the lack of factions.

>>50590860
they should have kept the factions but have every race start out with special rep values. Being friendly with their capital and its allies, and neutral to everyone else, with world PvP quests and some PvE content dropping your reputation with the victim faction

In BC the only consequence would be meeting the Scryers and Aldor on the Stair of Destiny instead of Shattrath to account for the lack of factions

>>50591583

Do you mean the same as it is, but, say, an individual Orc could become friendly with Stormwind and go there?

>>50585161
Shaman. Uniting the elemental lords and high adventure in skyreach and the firelands? What more could you ask for?

Speaking of shamans, I'm never going to stop being shitty about the fucking thrallhammer being fostered on enhance

>>50591583
That was how Everquest worked. Each character started out with a certain rep with each faction based on their racial/class/deity choice but could potentially become friendly with hostile factions if they wanted to. This made other factions mad at you though so it was impossible to be friendly with everyone.

So in WoW terms, a Forsaken could become accepted in Stormwind but would become hostile to the Undercity while doing so.

>>50591753

That sounds kind of interesting. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Pandaren, or Death Knights, or probably even druids for that matter, to kill each other on sight due to being on the opposite faction.

>>50591738
>Speaking of shamans, I'm never going to stop being shitty about the fucking thrallhammer being fostered on enhance

you what? You mean foisted?

>>50585073
Did... did Blizzard just fucking tack-weld Sauron to Yog-Sototh? They did. That's exactly what I'm looking at.

Fuck you, Blizzard. Fuuuuuck you.

>>50592125
>Fuck you, Blizzard. Fuuuuuck you.
Hello GW, did you release your Highborne army?

>>50592125
C'thun's been a thing since 2006, man.

>>50591851
Yeah, but Everquest was also primarily a PvE game, and 90% of the factions in the game were useless. It'd be like if there was a separate rep for every quest hub in the game in WoW as well as half of the monsters but most of them gave no rewards except for the NPCS not attacking and maybe a quest or two for no real reward

>>50591687
Yes
an Orc would start out friendly with Orgrimmar, Sen'jin and Thunder Bluff, neutral with the UC and Alliance cities, and unfriendly with Darnassus. It would be very easy to attain friendly with the Alliance without a drop in Horde rep, but gaining Darnassus rep would require working directly against the interests of Orgrimmar in many cases, making it much harder to balance the two

>>50592638
Assuming you're trying to fix the faction system, why are you assuming the warsong lumber camp would still exist?

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>>50592125
>tack-weld Sauron to Yog-Sototh?
Nah. That there is C'thun, and it's spelled Yogg-Saron.

>>50592694
Because assuming the orcs and nelves are still fighting makes a better example of my idea

You're right though

>>50592758
Considering dear old Daelin, I'd say the orcs would start unfirendly to all human cities aside from Theramore, which they start neutral with

>>50592781
Theramore should have been a neutral city from the beginning anyway.

>>50592781
>theramore
more like Theranomore

yeah they hate the orcs the most now

>>50592744
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth
Even the names are copied.

>>50592836
if you are not a fan of copying check up the pantheon and the keepers of ulduar

>>50592836
>Even the names are copied.
Yes, that was the joke. It's just not spelled Yog-Sauron.

I am currently GM'ing a game of Warcraft D20 and a player has shown interest in becoming the new warchief by killing Garrosh.
He has shown much interest in gaining the Tusks of Mannoroth and I agree with him that that sorta stuff should go to the next warchief.
Could someone come up with some stats for it? Preferably with some effects like Gorehowl

>>50593220
Shoulder slot, +15 competence bonus to Intimidate.
1/day as swift, give the user's weapon the Demon Bane property for 10 rounds.

>>50593312
oooh I like it, thanks anon

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>>50592836
Say hello to N'Zoth, that rests in Ny'alotha, a sleeping city under the sea.

>>50590860
>>50591583
fuck you and your weird faction, alternative history in every fucking thread.
It's always the same shit.

>>50593735
I don't like that Blizzard's official pronunciation for Y'shaarj makes it sound like a mortal name instead of the name of a faceless elder god from beyond the stars

>>50593995
Isn't their official pronunciation something that doesn't match with the spelling at all?

Ya'Sharaj or something

>>50594043
it's supposed to be pronounced YA-she-raj, but it's spelled like it should be ee-sharge, which makes you feel like your mouth is full of sand when you say it out loud

>>50594089
It sounds less natural, and therefore more fitting for an eldritch god, when it's pronounced as it's spelt, as opposed to the official ruling

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Who is best Demon and why is it Lord Jaraxxus?

>>50592125
>>50592836
>something in WarCraft was ripped off of something else
Say it ain't so

>>50594089
>which makes you feel like your mouth is full of sand when you say it out loud
Holy fuck it totally does. That is what a Lovecraftian abomination's name ought to sound like.

>>50594137
Thal'kiel

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>>50594089
>it's supposed to be pronounced YA-she-raj, but it's spelled like it should be ee-sharge, which makes you feel like your mouth is full of sand when you say it out loud
More like something that you can't spell properly with your mortal speaking apparatus.

>>50594137
TRIFLING GNOME

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>>50594137
Have you heard his karaoke? He's amazing!

*Ahem* And he didn't torch the library...

>>50594563
>Thal'Kiel

Does not sing karaoke.

https://youtu.be/dKY29qji2a8

>>50594682
>implying
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=211720/thalkiels-discord

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>>50594137

>tfw no Succubus qt to steal my soul
>and my heart

>>50594661
>ywn party in Medivh's palace of memes

>>50588777
>Why is Mathiass Shaw a dreadlord 3/4 of the way through the campaign but back to normal when I do my asassination artifact quest?
I haven't done the rogue campaign, but doesn't he intentionally cockblock you in the assass quest?

>>50588777
>Why is Mathiass Shaw a dreadlord 3/4 of the way through the campaign but back to normal when I do my asassination artifact quest?
Is he a dreadlord or just mind-controlled? This IS Detheroc we talk about here, after all. He controlled entirety of human army of Garithos at the same time.

>>50594137
>¡Soy Jaraxxus, Señor Eredar de la Legión Ardiente!

All hail senor jaraxxus!

>>50585161
DK class hall. It was actually the fucking best. Second place for Rogues since they operate in the shadows.

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What is her end game?

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>>50597501
>Implying it's not HIS endgame

>>50597501

The forced acceptance of the Panda butt religion.

>>50597501
Ahegao

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what a bitch

also what the FUCK is up with her time hax

>>50598940
>Instead, you ally with misfits and monsters
Meanwhile, she's gulping demon jizz on daily basis.

Elves were a mistake.

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>>50599488
Settling around Well of Eternity was the greatest mistake of the Dark Trolls.

>>50599594
>could've had an azeroth ruled by trolls, mogu and vrykul

>>50599689
>tfw there's a non-zero chance of us getting Odyn's help in reviving + stormforging Lei Shen

WE KILLED HELYA FOR YOU C'MON YOU OWE US ONE

>>50599594
Well they were called dark trolls so they fucking things up for everyone was to be expected.

>>50598940
>ywn get to make a witty comeback

>BElf: Grand Magistrix? You whore yourself out to the very demons that damned our last prince, and nearly took us with him. We will not allow Kael'thas' mistakes to be repeated here.

>NElf: Grand Magistrix? For all your ancient power, you betray your home and your people to serve this petty warlock, cowering in fear from an enemy we have beaten twice. You spit on the graves of all those who died to save your soul.

>>50599770
>"Only if he gives Ra back his power. I miss Ra. Wonder how he's been."

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>>50600114
Actually, Lei Shen only had the power of Aman'Thul that went to Ra. Ra should have kept his own power, I think, Lei Shen eating Ra's heart makes little sense, but him eating Aman'Thul's power that Ra took out of himself and put in a spherical form before himself could be the thing Lei Shen ate.

And Wrathion later ate Lei'Shen's heart, so he likely have majority of that power now.

>>50601289
So would Warriors have to go kill Wrathion?

>>50601289
>Xuen and Lei Shen are huge to the point of crushing multiple houses per step

Okay but why?

>>50601306
Nah, I do not think that eating of heart would take all of his power. After all, Jaina somehow later empowered her staff through his body, and Ra should still have his own original power.

So if anything, Jaina is the person people should go after. Or at least her staff.

>>50601419
Because Lei Shen decided to match the Ancient in his size to fight him.

>>50601593
>Raid boss

plz no.

>>50593979

t. Blizzard

>>50594113
>>50594174
>>50594585

To be fair when the mantid say it there's a lot of clicking and gargling along with it...and that's probably the proper pronunciation.

We just don't have mobile mandibles or proper grinding plates, so we just do the best we can.

>>50601419

Matching the strength of their opponent.
When you fight a god it's time to step up and inukchuk.

>>50601771
daily reminder that the Legion is only destroying all life because of an offensive YouTube video, and the Horde is your real enemy

>>50601771

It's going to happen. Come on, you can't see how Blizzard works by now?

>>50603967
>>50603537
And so ends another WC character replaced by their WOW meme leaders.

>tfw the factions will run around killing each-other so soon after the Faction War while the Legion is marching
>tfw they win against the Legion
>tfw the Legion is such a joke the factions can kill each-other again and still win

How do we take the Burning Legion seriously again?

>>50604155
It's because the heroes can carry Legion-killing business, while the faction leaders can waste some time killing each other.

>>50604155
>How do we take the Burning Legion seriously again?
because the night elves took them seriously when we thought they were badasses and not incompetent Vietcong wannabes

>>50598940
>grown as savage as the niggers that skulk about your neighborhoods
>willing to mingle with lesser races that dilute your bloodline.
>i thought you might understand the choice i made to save my people
>instead you ally with niggers and sjws
wtf i love elisande now

>>50604594

But Orcs aren't Niggers. For one thing, they were modeled on Eurasian barbarians (Mongols, Norsemen).

>>50604594
>implying the Forsaken aren't Unit 731

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>>50598940
>what a bitch
That's pretty regular elven dialogue. Also:

>Bitches about elves forsaking their culture and allying with mongrels
>Is allied with demons

Never trust an elf!

>>50604594
>telling fucking Liadrin that she should understand the "sacrifice" Elisande made
6 years later she's still trying to make up M'uru's enslavement to the Draenei, and Elisande is going to tell her to prease understandu her doing something worse?

god damn I hate that slut

>>50605103
>protecting whore Liadrin

>looking at the timeline and realizing just how little time it's been since the beginning of the series

Someone who is just old enough to post on this site as of Legion was born before the founding of Thrall's Horde and the ENTIRETY of the Third War.

Someone twice that age is older than the Dark Portal.

>>50605154
>not protecting the only character with a redemption story that's not a retarded asspull to stop them from being a raid boss
Liadrin is based, fuck off

>>50605167
>tfw you realize that pretty much an entire generation of orcs was killed by the 4th War and SoO

>>50604937
Orcs are the definition of dindus.

>>50605076
Exactly. That's why we should gas the gooks and the Forsaken.

>>50605103
One good mongrels doesn't mean their entire race is also good.

>>50605199
>Liadrin is based
>destroyed Blood Kinghts Order and drag them into Silver Hand failed state
>totally forgets her main purpose
>ignoring Rommath her prime commander, just because she is storn independent womyn

Remember when these threads weren't 80% /pol/-styled shitposting? Those were good times.

>>50605405
>reforming an order built to serve Kael'thas and the Legion into proper paladins
>bad

>>50605458

->tumblr

>>50605472
>>reforming an order built to serve Kael'thas and the Legion into proper paladins
Top fucking kek, the Blood Knight was formed as secular paladins to protect Quel'Thalas fro Scourge. And yes, turning them int the Silver hand cannon folder is bad.

>>50605484
Oh fuck off, you don't even know how to redirect, you brainless fucking faggot.
>>>/reddit/

>>50605524
>the Blood Knight was formed as secular paladins to protect Quel'Thalas fro Scourge
I'm sorry, but I need to ask for sauce. After all, Scourge was mostly out of Quel'Thalas by that point.

>>50605944
>I'm sorry, but I need to ask for sauce.
Shitton of quotes in BC from paladin trainers, shit I sure even Liadrin said something like this whenshe was in Blood Knights HQ.
ALso, Thalassian Blood Knights not related with Sunfury Blood Knights. They were created when Rommath returned with M'uuru and magister Alastor propossed to use naaru as source-power for paladins, both of them (Rommath and Alastor) weren't Legion agents

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>>50585161
I'd take the basic concept of the DKs are World Police and use that to make my own campaign.
I like the Warlock concept, too. But I'd expand it to have far more quests into the Twisting Nether to secure followers and items of extraordinary power. Probably have to find a way to track Corruption™ as they try to control all these demon-infused artifacts. To say nothing of them keeping a handle on their literal demon army.
Of course, I know at least one player who would try to run off and join Gul'dan and I'm pretty sure I would allow it.

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>>50595823
I don't think it was ever canon, but I liked the bit of lore from the old pen & paper RPG(I think) that had succubi develop an intense possessiveness for their masters and try to sabotage any relationship he may have with another female.
>you will never have a loving, yandere demoness waifu

Alliance is the cuck faction

Horde is the dindu faction

I'm not seeing the case to not let the Burning Legion win.

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>>50607367
>Let's kill everything to save everything!

Sargeras was a mistake.

Kneel before your true creators, mortals.

Reminder that the Horde is so unappealing that they had to give them Blood Elves for more players.

>>50599770
>>50601306
>>50600114

What are the actual chances of this happening? I love Lei Shen and hate that pretentious little shit and seeing more of the Mogu in general would be awesome.

Also I suspect Ra-Den will be showing up in the near future what with us potentially going back to Ulduar.

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>>50585161
Scour- I mean, Death Knight.

>>50591851
DKs just pretend kill each other, basically like this:
>Oh no! An evil ALLIANCE
>Oh no! An evil HORDE
>*Both look around, nobody is around*
>*Hand each other important info from the alliance/horde to deliver to the lich King*

SYLVY DID NOTHING WRONG. KOLTIRA IS A SPY.

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>>50585073
>>50592125
>>50594174
You mean it's not one of these?

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>>50607367
>>50607451
>Lelgion winning
>Old farts winning
I'LL NEED YOUR AZEROTHIAN IDs RIGHT THERE CITIZENS.

>>50608530
>implying Shadow Priests don't have diplomatic immunity

>Faction Warring In A Nutshell

>I HATE THOSE BRUTES/WEAKLINGS/POINTY EARS/MAGES/WHATEVER

>IF YOU DON'T TRUST THE HORDE YOU'RE EVUL

>THEY DINDU NUFFIN

>WE NEED DA HORDE/ALLIANCE TO SAVE THE HORDE

>SHE'S GOING TOO FAR AGAINST DA HORDE

>Cucking

>Dindus Dinduing

>Status Quo kicks in

Did I miss stuff please tell me.

>>50608467
Sylvanas tried to torture Koltira into submission. You know, a guy who exists in a constant state of torment already and is practically immune to torture.

Pretty dumb move on her part.

>>50608695
Sylvanas isn't a particularly smart corpse.

>>50608600
No I think that's all of these threads so far

>>50607367
Because the Ebon Blade still exists, citizen

>>50608964
Why are Death Knights so good? It feels like the should be the edgy losers but they're all gold.

>>50608987
Cause they're the only faction that actually gets shit done

>>50608987
Having to make up for 3 xpacs of jerking off

>>50608987

I never digged having forced Death Knights. WC3 had them as Paladins and other warriors who gave in to bitterness or otherwise joined the Scourge willingly.

>>50608745
That much was obvious from the whole taunt the necromancer as I die in front of him strategy she employed to begin with.

>>50609011

I haven't digged having forced Death Knights. WC3 had them as Paladins and other warriors who gave in to bitterness or otherwise joined the Scourge willingly.

>>50609404

I screwed up and posted the same post twice. Sorry.

>>50608987
Because they're just edgy enough to be interesting without being giant fags like DHs
Having pretty good lore via the Scourge doesn't hurt either

>>50609274
and then the appointing a dreadlord as her second in command thing didn't help either

We know that Orc/human hybrids are possible but what about other races?

>>50611607
orc/human
orc/draenei
orc/ogre
elf/human
those are the half-breeds we know are possible, I assume orcs can hybrid with anything they can fit their dick in, and Titanforged races can interbreed freely, but there's no actual proof

>>50611653
I'm pretty sure troll/elf/goblin is probably also a thing as they're all related.

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>>50611653

I like the idea of tauren/draenei for literal space goats.

>>50605275
Doesn't matter, Blizzard will just clone more.

>>50608987
Because they got their vengeance on the guy who turned them into DK then managed to get accepted by their people again.
So theres really not much to angst over.

>>50612406
>EB=get fucked over, make the best out of bad situation
>forsaken=get fucked over, spent rest of eternity by being some butthurt banshee's meat shield
>scourge=get fucked over, spent rest of eternity by freezing in northrend

>>50612479
Scourge had a plan to break the lelgion's legs at least.

Forsaken however ...

>>50611680
>goblin
Goblins are pygmies enhanced with Kajamite. They are not directly related to Troll lineage.

>>50612506

Pygmies come from troggs, right?

>>50612052
I want to see tauren/human but I don't have idea why something like that could happen.

>>50612576
>but I don't have idea why something like that could happen.
based Marcus

what if the finale of Legion isn't a raid, but a five man where each player has to be a different character archetype to us the corresponding Pillar of Creation
>tanks get the Aegis of Agrammar
>healers get the Tear of Elune
>int DPS gets the Tidestone of Golganneth
>str DPS gets the Hammer of Khaz'goroth
>agi DPS gets the Eye of Aman'thul

>>50612651
>it is a timed battle with all affixes

HELLO DARKNESS.
SARGERAS HAS SKITTISH

>>50612558
No, not at all. Pygmies could be another native species of Azeroth. Or rather, their ancestors were, while pygmies were first level of brain-enhancing properties of kajamite. Mimiron was testing effects of kajamite on them. Goblins likely came later, when Trolls were using Pygmies/early Goblins to mine Kajamite, which further enhanced their intellect.

Troggs, once affected by Curse of Flesh (besides those that went to Stonecore), either remained Troggs, evolved into Kobolds, or were flesh-shaped by the Mogu into Grummles.

>>50612651
Swap Tidestone of Golganneth and Eye of Aman'Thul and you would be more correct.
Though I could still debate if Hammer of Khaz'goroth should be str or agi. Eye of Aman'Thul though should definitely be int.

>>50608600
>Did I miss stuff please tell me.

Only the the most cucked of all shitheads, the MUH NEUTRALITY crowd.

>HURR DURR I WANT PEAS WHEN THIRD FACTION FOR PEAS
>DA STORY HAS EVOLVED AN WE DON'T NEED WAR ANYMORE
>HURR RED V BLUE

>>50601289
>And Wrathion later ate Lei'Shen's heart, so he likely have majority of that power now.

I missed this, really?

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>>50613554
Legendary questline for MoP. Quest in question:
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Heart_of_the_Thunder_King

>>50613151
what about the peace of death in an Azeroth ruled by the Scourge?

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>>50613151
I'm wondering if it's the same person this entire time

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Claws_of_Shirvallah
>"Have we learned nothing from the Scythe of Elune?"
—Archdruid Hamuul Runetotem
Why only Trolls have ability to go hybrid without any problem through becoming avatars of their Loa? Night Elves and Aspect of the Pack was a definite failure resulting in the Worgen Curse.

It's like with description of Demoniacs from Zandalari/Zul'Gurub (lvl 60) Warlock set - Demoniacs mastered ability of binding demons to themselves and using their power, and only few ever succumbed to it, while Demon Hunters have high mortality ratio and even higher madness ratio.

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I'm so hyped for Winter Veil.

>>50616707
>Anduin, Mekkatorque, Varian, Sylvanas, Bolvar, WCIII Thrall

One of these things is not like the others.

>>50616968
Varian. He's dead.

>>50617119
Well, by all biological definitions Sylvanas and Bolvar are also dead.

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>>50617140
Yeah but Gul'dan made Varian go boom.

>>50617170
>Day da Forty-Second: Da demons still don't know I be a mortal, mon. Even Gul'dan tink I be a Felguard. Nobody suspect a ting even wit dis Silva Hand tabard, mon.

>>50616529
>It's like with description of Demoniacs from Zandalari/Zul'Gurub (lvl 60) Warlock set - Demoniacs mastered ability of binding demons to themselves and using their power, and only few ever succumbed to it, while Demon Hunters have high mortality ratio and even higher madness ratio.
as much as I'd like to jerk off the Zandalari and shit on elves, Blizzard probably just forgot that demoniacs were a thing when they re-wrote DH lore

>>50617887
They very conveniently forgot everything else they wrote about Warlocks consuming fel power and imbuing themselves with demonic energy in a pathetic effort to make the Demon Hunters "so tough! so cool!" with their whole "muh sacrifice!" bullshit.

>>50617971
>Garden-variety Warlock:
>Has AT THE VERY LEAST one powerful demon under his complete and unescapable control
>If specialized in Demonology, you are in complete control of, on average, half a dozen demons (Doomguard/Infernal, Dreadstalkers(+Imps if talented), Hand of Gul'dan's Wild Imps, Darkglare (if talented) AT ALL TIMES during battle
>Thal'kiel bantz if Demonologist

>Some of the best Demon Hunters out there (lorewise):
>Too damn lazy to train and/or study to become a Hunter/Warrior/Rogue/Druid/whathaveyou
>Grabs the first demonic passerby it sees, shoves it up its own ass in an attempt to gain its powers
>2 out of every 3 elves that try it die during the binding process
>The remnant eventually are corrupted, or go mad from having a demon whispering sweet nothings in their ears all the time, and have to be dealt with by actual useful people

Demon Hunters are the jobbers of WoW's classes

>>50618718
>lazy

That gives them too much credit. It implies they ever had the potential to be Hunter/Warrior/Rogue/Druid/etc, and we all know that isn't true.

>>50618718
>under his complete and unescapable control
When I was into RPing a Warlock, I always liked to treat Warlock power the way Warhammer treats it mages and 40k its psykers. You are tapping into tremendous power, but you're treading the razor's edge that any of it could kill you in an instant if you lose control.
I always like the analogy that we were the ones who fight fight with fire whilst doused in gasoline.
Sure, what we do can be impressive, but no one wants to stand near us because they all know it's just a matter of WHEN, not IF we go up in flames, too.

>>50618756
>high-level Warlocks are 40K psykers
>lowbie Warlocks are what would happen if Gargamel worked for the Smurfs to keep mosquitoes away from them
>for obvious reasons, very few make it from one end to the other

>>50618756
>fight fight with fire
Er. I'm sure you know I mean "fight fire with fire"

>>50598384
Won't have to force me. I think I'm already a devoted follower.

>>50605484
>implying only Tumblr hates /pol/ when, in fact, everyone hates /pol/
Everyone knows /pol/ is a containment board. Sort of like /mlp/ but ten times worse.

>>50607451
I couldn't agree more.
>>50608964
Second most correct person.

>>50620173
Sure thing, tumblrina.

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>>50620221

>>50620479
Took ya that long to come up with a comeback and the best you could do was "uh. uh. hurr triggered!"
Man, you're an embarrassment, even to the low standards of /pol/.

>>50620532
I wasn't exactly waiting with baited breath for your reply.
And good comebacks are reserved for things that require good comebacks, not random screencaps from a guy who apparently thinks /pol/ is just trying to be edgy.

>>50608987
They always seemed the sort who death made practical above all else, which is generally at odds with being edgy and angsty. They know what they want and they know they have the power to accomplish it. What's there to angst about?

>>50620354
Honestly, the /pol/fags are getting so cancerous, I'm starting to miss the days when waifufags were the ones constantly derailing these threads. At least they seem to enjoy the setting, and sometimes even use a bit of imagination. With /pol/fags everything gets boiled down to dindus, gas the X, and X was a mistake. There's no discussion happening, only stale, overused memes. They're like the people yakking about arrows to the knee.

>>50618718
>be demo lock
>convince the first warlock that ever lived to be your friend through rational argument

>be a demon hunter
>die from indigestion because all the imps you ate didn't agree with you
>then your soul gets kidnapped by Kil'jaeden until you agree to serve the Legion
and these guys are supposed to save the universe

>>50608530
>runes scribbled on the nightstick
i love this stupid meme

>>50621613
that's a less-lethal runeblade, not a nightstick

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Gee, Eonar, why does your power get used to bless TWO Dragonflights?

No, seriously. How different might it all have been had Ysera been given the Life/Nature stuff in one package, and Alexstrasza empowered using Golganneth. Or maybe Aggramar! Maybe even Sargeras if this was before he turned evil?

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How big do you think the Museum is at this point?

>>50621974
>Alexstrasza gets empowered by Golganneth
>becomes queen of the Thoringir
I'm ok with this

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Reminder who the master race is.

Enjoy being irrelevant and losing, other races.

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>>50622213
You called for the master race?

>>50622677
What is that? A fucking chinamen?

>>>/trash/

>>50622677
daily reminder that if it wasn't for the Tol'vir's cowardly backstabbing, Azeorth would be stewarded by the avatar of Aman'thul and the War of the Ancients would never have happened

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Titan-forged > Mutated trolls > Everything else

Deal with it.

Started playing Vanilla WoW again and it's been really fun so far.

Did anyone ever turn the dungeons into games into dungeons for the tabletop games? I've looked through stuff, but it doesn't seem like there's all that many published adventures for the WoW tabletop RPG.

So is Noss back up or still doing stress tests? I'm really getting the itch for some vanilla from this

>>50623076
pretty sure it's not up yet
they're still trying to load the old accounts into a different private client

or something like that

>>50623076
Nost will come back in January in all likelihood. Could be later than that. And then you have to deal with the fact that it'll be unplayable for a while after its launch as everyone scrambles to play it.

In the meantime, there are other vanilla servers you can play on. Kronos II is a popular one at the moment, although it seems like half its population is just biding its time until Nost returns.

>>50623331
Eh, I really don't want to get going on a character only to start over from scratch again in a months time.

Now if there was a decent BC server I would jump on that shit but from what I hear most are borked piles of shit.

Anyone actually play the TCG?
I collected some of the cards as a youth hoping to get some loot cards.
Anyone know if there is ygopro/mtgonline equivalent out there?

>>50624270
I bought a starter pack and a bunch of card packs but never played it. It seems fun though

>>50622795
Scourge > Titanforged > trolls > Wild races > insectoids > literal shit > elves

>>50622005
I wonder if they'll ever add the artifacts to Hearthstone. It'd be cool to give the non-weapon classes a little aura bonus or something

>Felo'melorn: Fireball, Pyroblast, Forgotten Torch, etc. cost 1 less mana
>Skull of the Man'ari: at the end of your turn, all friendly demons gain +1/+1
>Scythe of Elune: when you cast a spell that deals damage, draw a card
>

It's kind of funny to watch the end cinematic of WoD.

>Ye ever need us we be here
>Until we meet again

And then at Blizzcon the staff is all No AU Draenor anywhere guys we swear!

Which makes me wonder if Metzen leaving and Kosak going to Hearthstone wasn't out of choice but rather being forced to by Activision. Outright firing these guys would have caught bad word so moving them to lower management positions was the best choice after the disaster WoD was. Except Metzen didn't give a shit anymore and just quit.

>>50626125
>dranor is vree :DDDDD
warriors should get to Shanghai Grom like they did to Punished Ymiron

apparently all Garrosh needed to do to get away with genocide was get taken prisoner and then kill a few felhounds. What a retard

>>50626125
I listened to a guy do a podcast with Metz shortly after he retired. Like the guy or not, he apparently really needed some downtime.

>>50626549
being the focus of all the hatred coming from 2 very large fanbases probably gets tiring

>>50626224
It's kinda weird how autistic about warring Alliance Garrosh were, given that he mainly hated demons, not humans.

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>>50628932
He wanted revenge.

>Wrathion's face when

>>50629042
>He wanted revenge.
On whom? For what? He had no particular reason to focus on war against Alliance back during WotLK, and yet he already were autistic about it.

>>50629207
o-only the strongest may dwell in Orgrimmar

>>50629207
He's a retard who wanted to outgrow his father's shadow and looked for any opportunity to do so.

>>50585073
My whole question revolves around what the Light truly promises for its faithful, as other faiths seem to have something to them, such as the trolls.

We have Bridenbrad, but it's a memorial quest.

We have lore on the Shadowlands, but also directly states that mortals hope they go on to a 'brighter' place.

Are the Naaru just lying wind chimes, no better than any elemental?

>>50629207
>For what?
Proper place for the Horde.

>>50630155
Well, there's avoiding the Void, for one thing.

Uther also "became one with the Light" after being freed from Frostmourne, so it's likely being a Force Ghost- uh, Spirit of the Light.

Or something.

>>50630575
Avoiding the Void, what?

And I really hope this isn't a 'you have to be a paladin to not go to Shadowfe- I mean the shadowlands!'

>>50630650
The Void, also known as Super-Hell, also known as Where Arthas Is Right Now, also known as Where Every Undead Including Sylvanas Is Going.

Fuck you blizz I just wanted to join the Scarlet crusade.

>>50630683
Pretty sure you're talking about the Shadowlands.

Chronicles Book, came out last year(?): Like the Emerald Dream, the Shadowlands are tangentially linked to the world of
Azeroth. Yet whereas the Emerald Dream represents life, the Shadowlands
represent death. They are nightmarish realms of decay, labyrinthine spiritual
planes teeming with the souls of the dead who have passed from the world of the
living.
The origins of the Shadowlands remain uncertain, but they have existed ever
since mortal life first arose in the physical universe. Many believe that mortal
souls are drawn into this dark place at the point of death, where they remain
forever after. Still others hope that their souls will go on to a brighter place, rather
than languish for eternity within the cold confines of the Shadowlands.

>>50630894
I'm talking about the horrible place full of what was probably Old God tentacles that Sylvanas saw herself in after she did an acrobatic pirouette off of the top of Icecrown Citadel.

You know, the place where she made her deal with the Val'kyr where they take her place there every time she dies so she doesn't have to suffer alongside Arthas.

Who was there.

>>50630865
We all want the Knights Templar faction. We all do.

>>50630928
Then whats your view on it, that the Light accepts the faithful when they die into a paradise, like Crusader Bridenbrad?

>>50630942
#never4gettheramore

>>50631004
I somehow doubt one's consciousness stays perfectly intact - it's all been going on for too long for that. Still, imagine feeling nothing but hope and joy, to the point where all other thoughts fade away. To the point where even one's own name is unnecessary. Maybe something like that? As one's spirit flows into the realm of pure Light, it sheds the unneeded baggage of mortality, set free not only from the Curse of Flesh, but also the restraints of any sort of body, any sort of physical form.

The long fight is over, and you need no longer concern yourself with it. That world is long behind you, and you know that others will carry on its defense. The Light guarantees.

The Light protects.

>>50631103
That is what I'd like Blizz to state, but.. how can I assume this? I'm an RPer, which is why I'm so autistically obsessed about this. I find it so hard to enjoy seeing so faithful and mighty characters getting shafted once they die in Shadow-hell

>>50631151
Plus, we see that the Shadowlands -does- exist and it -does- have souls of many dead. Maybe the unfaithful?

All the Vrykrul, in all their viking rip off-ness, went to the Shadowlands or the Halls of Valor.

Is blizz denying the idea of the Light's paradise?

>>50631151
In-game, we encounter the ghost of Uther the Lightbringer.
We do do a quest that involves the Naaru taking a dying paladin's soul with them "into the light."
There is something beyond just the Shadowlands, but Blizzard hasn't been very consistent on it.

>>50629694

Honestly I blame Thrall, when he first met Garrosh in BC he should have been honest
>Your dad was an honorable warrior, I liked him
>He was also a constant colossal fuck-up
>He died fixing a problem he caused in the first place and honestly it was probably for the best
>Honor your Father's Memory by not repeating his mistakes
But nope, instead that rose-tinted motherfucker was all
>Your dad was awesome, you should be just like him

>>50631587
I get him wanting to pull Garrosh out of his funk, but he did overdo it.

>>50631587
>>50631651
Really, Thrall hero-worshiping Grom is the source of a lot of problems in Warcraft. It's also why he didn't try reigning in the Warsong clan when they kept cutting down trees in Ashenvale (i get that the Horde needed lumber to build stuff, but as it was obviously pissing off the Night Elves, he should've tried to negotiate some agreement instead of just letting the Warsong chop down trees and piss off elves).

Still not the worse case of somebody's weird man-crush causing huge problems: I'm looking at you, Kil'jaeden.

>>50621613
Rune of policeforce
+ extra nonlethal damage vs lawbreakers and paladins.

>>50631780
>I'm looking at you, Kil'jaeden.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG TO MAKING YOUR FRIEND/ENEMY SON YOUR SON AND TRAINING HIM AS THE BEST DEMON SO HE KILLS #PRANK

>>50631651
Honestly... Garrosh always overdo EVERYTHING...

Grom did fucked everything
> OMG WILL MOP MY ENTIRE LIFE!

Hey you dad did shit but he also saved us.
> OMG MY FATHER ROCKS I AM SUPER PRO -WARSONG NOW!!!

So we have some political issues and...
>OMG THRALL YOU ARE SO SLOW, LETS FIGHT TO THE DEATH SO I CAN GOVERN THE HORDE

Ok you want to fight?... go to the North then and stabilish a strongholde so we can fight the evil zombie thing.. you may need supplies and...
>LETS DESTROY THE ALLIANCE BASE AND GET EVERYTHING TO OURSELFS

NO! Hey the Alliance is not the threath. Look, there is friendly tournment between us, lets chill a little here...
> FIGHT TO THE DEATH BROTHERS!! KILL THESE ALLIANCE BASTARDSS!

For fuck sake we need to work with them... They called us on Dalaran, some Titan-mumbo-jumbo threat, maybe we can help them and improve our relation.. try to behavior....
>BUUUH ALLIANCE YOU SUX SUUUUUUUUX

Ok, The Alliance King is dumb exactly like you and declared war. This sux, I tried my entire life to bring peace for this shit and both of you fucked everything... Will deal with this world-is-shattering thing and you wil be the Warchief exactly as you wanted to be to fight the war that you wanted to fight..
> OMG THRALL PLEASE DONT, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Hey, ease, I will give you my best advisors, pleae listen to th..
> YOU SUX TROLL, WIL KILL YOU...
> YEAH. YEAH CAIRNE, LETS FIGHT TO THE DEATH,,, EXCELLENT IDEA!!!

Ok fuck.. I am out of this shit...

>>50633138
And sadly Garroh could be a awsome character outside of the "villain and warmonger" role...

He was incredible using his cunning, playing the trickster and messing with Guldan plan...

"Times changes old man..."

>>50633138
>>50633527
I remember a few threads back, someone posted a really good post pointing out how Garrosh was an incredibly ambitious, clever and charismatic leader, but once he actually developed his great works, he could only use them for petty acts of revenge

>>50633138
>hey, what if I did the exact same thing that my dad did, but with an Old God instead of demons
>what could possibly go wrong?

>Odyn left the rest of the Keepers because he knew they were wrong about empowering the Dragon Aspects
is he, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

>>50628228
Kosak was the guy that everyone who used to like warcrafts story hated, in the podcast Metzen didn't even bother to go into Blizzards HQ after the release of Overwatch as he was contemplating retiring well before the game was released.

I think that Metzen is fine as a worldbuilder and story teller but once the OG crew started moving on to other companies or retiring themselves or were pushed into other projects they brought in people like Kosak who wanted Mary-Sue after Mary-Sue with the same chosen one prophesies and magical mcguffins.

>>50637152
Fuck no, the Aspects were one of the more interesting parts of the Warcraft setting, and the only reason they're continually being culled by the writers is so they can jerk off the faction leaders and player characters even more.

>>50637357
>t. definitely not Richard Knaak

since they were empowered, the Aspects have done nothing but whine and wait for other people to fix their problems for them. They're even more useless than Velen

>>50637482
Anon, that's the case for literally every character in WoW that isn't a villain or a faction leader.

>>50637595
Alexstrazsa is a faction leader, so why isn't she useful?

>>50637657
She's done a couple of things, hasn't she? Burned the Broken Front (which includes preserving Bolvar, who people here can't seem to stop sucking off), empowers you in the fight against Malygos, had a fistfight with Deathwing in the Twilight Highlands, ara ara-ing orphans in Wyrmrest...

In any case, I'm not really trying to argue that the aspects are written well in the current plot, because none of the characters are written well in the current plot. What I meant was that they made for good lore. Unfortunately WoW's plot has turned into a cape comic or shonen manga, where lore only exists to fuel the eternal dick waving contest.

>>50637888
>Burned the Broken Front
after categorically refusing to help fight the Scourge outside of the Dragonshrines, she arbitrarily changes her mind in one instance for no reason

>empowers you in the fight against Malygos, had a fistfight with Deathwing in the Twilight Highlands
despite requiring mortals to fix mortal problems, she also needs mortals to clean up dragon problems

Aspect logic makes no sense and their only use is as a loot table

>>50637482
>since they were empowered, the Aspects have done nothing but whine and wait for other people to fix their problems for them. They're even more useless than Velen
Their job is to protect the world, not intervene with every mortal affair. They step in when something can end the world, such as the war of the ancients, malygos' shenanigans in wrath, deathwings return, etc. They've done a lot.

>>50639111
in all of those instances, mortals did most of the work with maybe one member of one dragonflight actually intervening

hell, in the WotA, Krasus did more to help the elves than any Aspect

>>50638059
>after categorically refusing to help fight the Scourge outside of the Dragonshrines, she arbitrarily changes her mind in one instance for no reason
Anon, she literally agrees to help out in the questline leading up to that. She wasn't "categorically refusing" anything, she was busy with the Nexus War. Did you not notice Wyrmrest Temple LITERALLY being under siege when you visit?

>despite requiring mortals to fix mortal problems, she also needs mortals to clean up dragon problems
But those weren't "dragon problems". The Nexus War was between Malygos and arcanists, Alex was under no obligation to intervene. Deathwing was a global problem, part of the Old Gods stirring up shit all over Azeroth.

>>50639210
To be fair, they got fucked pretty bad in the WotA when they tried to end it all in one go. They even returned to keep fighting later. As for Malygos, I honestly don't remember too much. I know there was constant fighting around the Wrymrest temple, and some dragons out in Coldarra investigating. But then we get to Deathwing. Alextrasza almost died trying to 1v1 Deathwing, and her and the rest of the Aspects powered the dragon soul again which was the only way we were even able win. I think it's pretty unfair discredit them completely just because they couldn't do everything alone.

>>50631191
The way I see it, the Shadowlands is kind of like Limbo or whatever the fuck you call that kind of shit. It's the general afterlife you get, or the place you pass through before moving on elsewhere if that's the fate allotted to you. From there, you're likely to be claimed by your deity of choice, who will take you into his own realm. That or you'll be pulled into the Light, as it seemed was going to be Sylvanas's fate during her first death. Or you just might end up being swallowed up by the Void, like all of Sylvanas's other deaths have been.

>tfw no Spirit Healer waifu

That would've been a nice perk for Battlelords. No rez sickness

>>50631780
>negotiate

He...did? He had a meeting with Varian in Theramore set up by Jaina.

Things went south when Varian acted like an autistic fuck and assumed that the Twilight's Hammer assassins sent to kill all of them MUST have been a secret Horde trick.

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>>50641270
>tfw your holy priest guildmate who dies constantly uses the glyph that makes spirit of redemption turn him into a Val'kyr instead of a spirit healer

>>50639909
>The Shadowlands, as scary and dark as they sound, are merely the waiting room at the end of Beetlejuice

I like it.

>>50641304
That was only at the beginning of Cataclysm, several years after the fact. He should've tried negotiating with the Night Elves right after WC3, when they started building Orgrimmar and required lumber. As it is, the main reason the Night Elves chose to join the Alliance rather than remain neutral to both factions was that the Warsong clan kept cutting their trees despite them telling them not to, which soured their relations with the Horde (at the end of WC3 they were on neutral terms with both factions).

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Burning Crusade ruined lore.

>tfw you realize the forsaken are the same humans who kept the orcs in internment camp
>those same humans raised thrall for the specific purpose of putting the horde under human control
>the forsaken are now in direct control of the horde under sylvanas
even in death humans still win

>>50643533
humans truly are the Jews of Warcraft

>>50643491
the only problem with the draenei retcon was trying to tie the uncorrupted eredar to the original draenei

>can't make Kor'vas or Allari your second in command

Altruis and Kayn are both shit tbqhwyf

>>50643663
>Eredar AND Draenei
Could've been good

>>50643814
>tfw there are people who unironically chose Altruis despite him being the entire reason your class campaign even happens

>>50643814
I would chose the only competent Demon Hunter, but Loramus suffers from severe case of sharing his body with a Dreadlord.

>>50643988
we just need him to somehow get him inside the corrupted dreadlord in the paladin order hall
>greatest champion of the Army of the Light is a demon hunter possessing a dreadlord

>>50643892
>I FUCKING HATE THE ILLIDARI AND THE ILLIDARI FUCKING HATE ME
>do you want to be second in command of the Illidari
>YEAH THAT WOULD BE PRETTY SICK

Fuck Altruis.

>>50644078
it'd be ok if halfway through your class campaign you could give him up to Kil'jaeden and Veredis calls it even and fucks off

>>50586281
>DHs are just hilariously incompetent
Don't they finish their campaign by bombing the shit out of a legion world and giving the finger to Kil'Jaden in person?

>>50644114
the entire point of the DH campaign is driving home the fact that EVERY demon hunter, including you and all of your champions, is destined to eventually succumb to your literal inner demons and join the Legion. You win a temporary victory by killing two losers that are only fighting you in the first place because Altruis had them murdered and KJ pulled a Ner'zhul on them

>>50587740
Yeah, lord knows what we need is more fucking Bilgewater style goblin lore replacing the old wood and steam stylised goblins of yesteryear.

I'm all for the Jade Lotus and the Kabal, but the Grimy Goons can go fuck themselves. Karazhan was a fucking joke too.

>>50644169
Just like every blood elf in TBC was destined to become a Wretched or get corrupted, yeah?

>>50644250
Blood elves got their sunwell back though, and now infused with Light flavor.
DHs don't just use fel as a powersource, they use fel-based magics that likely wouldn't work if replaced with arcane, light, or whatever else.

>>50589704
KT is the best adventure boss in Hearthstone. Great emotes, messing with the Animal Companion spell (and I think Call of the Wild now, too), genuinely challenging difficulty, and they figured out a way to include "phases" in adventure encounters.

>>50644169
>the entire point of the DH campaign is driving home the fact that EVERY demon hunter, including you and all of your champions, is destined to eventually succumb to your literal inner demons and join the Legion
Pretty sure that's not true. Not to mention you can just die in battle and you won't turn.
Actually, the only DHs who turn to the Legion are the ones who are captured and then convinced to do so by other members of the legion.
In fact a lot of them simply die from taking too much fel power.

> You win a temporary victory by killing two losers that are only fighting you in the first place because Altruis had them murdered and KJ pulled a Ner'zhul on them
Well yea, but no one picked Alturis, right? Right?

>>50644281
>DHs don't just use fel as a powersource, they use fel-based magics that likely wouldn't work if replaced with arcane, light, or whatever else.
and also have the souls of multiple demons living inside them that constantly mentally torture them by fucking with their traumatic memories of the Third War/WotA and will only relent when they join the Legion and beg for KJ's mercy

>>50644341
>warlocks can bond demons into themselves and be just fine
>dhs are doomed to get corrupted.org for doing the same

Why are we keeping these Illidari jobbers around anyway?

>>50644514
fucking wind chimes won't stop sucking their cocks

>>warlocks can bond demons into themselves and be just fine
>>dhs are doomed to get corrupted.org for doing the same
warlocks are smart enough to get a contract first, DHs just inject them right into the eyeball

>>50644514
Illidan didn't go wacko.

>>50643533
>even in death humans still win

If you want something done right leave it to a human.

>>50644514
Literally EVERYONE in warcraft gets corrupted.org

>>50643215
It was right after Varian returned to Stormwind.

>>50645075
Especially exploding into confetti

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>>50643533
Anon, this might come as a shock to you, but...

Sylvanas isn't a human.

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>>50647075
Well she's in her current state thanks to Humans.

>>50647361
You mean thanks to an Orc

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>>50647393
An orc brain and a human dick.

>>50647458
Or maybe I should say an orc Brain and a human Pinky
Narf

>>50594585
Why shuh are jay

>>50645976
that's actually the one thing the Illidari are actually good at

>>50650828
They're also good at not getting defeated by houses

>>50650890
They don't need the house to lose, they lose to themselves.

>>50650890
Humans get beaten by houses? This reference is too obscure for me

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>>50595823
what is this? a succubus for ants?

>>50617373
kek'd mon

>>50643866
Guys, guys I got it now!
>Eredar are non-descript demons of unrivalled spellcasting capacity, more like a caste or coven of demons than a single race.
>Good portion of the coven's members look like Kil'Jaeden from WC2 manual
>Draenei are inventive, although primitive arcanists chilling on Draenor, look like our favourite goatpeople
>Comparable tech level to Tauren on Azeroth with lift technology and windlasses, but more crystals and arcane powered contraptions
>They accidentally attract K-jay through their spellcasting, but old man Velen proves too smart for promises of ultimate power and btfos Kil'jaeden
>Killian Jameson proceeds to impersonate Ner'Zhul's wife and assorted venerable dead of the orcs so they declare the green jihad on Draenei
>Archimonde is first of Draenei to be elevated to daemonhood, their numbers eventually making it appear as if all Eredar are actually Draenei
>Remaining Draenei escape into the wilderness, harness their tech to sustain their guerilla war
>Portal opens
>Orcs bring draenei captives as slave labourers, leads to broken and lost ones escaping and hiding in the black morass/swamp of sorrow
>Draenei remaining on Draenor steal portal spells from Warlocks and jump to Azuremyst, build expedition camps recycling their arcane tech
>Burning Crusade
>Draenei and Blood Elves run a fel fueled arms race to motivate rvb to support their forces in outland.
>Draenei join Paladins because hey we're already a culture torn between arcane and shamanism let's try this new religion we just met on this new planet, as well!
>Draenei Warlocks possible because they fight fire with fire just like Blood Elves

>>50603537
I don't get it.

>>50605275
It'd explain why the Horde keeps running out of NPCs.
Seriously, the Dwarves have *three* separate leaders, to say nothing of other Dwarf NPCs out there. Meanwhile, I think that by process of elimination, Zenkiki is the new head of the Trolls.

>>50605524
Dude, glossing over the chained-up angel in the basement and the orders coming directly from the crazy dude with the gem in his chest goes way past 'did nothing wrong' jokes.

>>50608695
I'm sure that, by now, it's been retconned to be all Garrosh's fault.

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NOT gonna lie, MY WARCHIEF

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>>50629207
>For what?
Bein' born.

>>50630928
Still not sure about that whole thing.
Seriously, who does she see there? Arthas.
And, like, FIVE MINUTES before that scene, Arthas was dying, and declared that he SAW NOTHING.
Still pretty sure Sylvanas was getting manipulated by somebody.
But I have the feeling that nobody even remembers that scene as being canon anymore.

>>50653108
This is an interesting idea, but the problem people had with the Draenei retcon was that it turned the WC3 Draenei into eredar-lite in the first place

>>50653108
>Draenei are no longer super holy self righteous Russians
Nice. Ilidain and Kael not being retards would've been good too
Arrakoa expanded civilization is the only cool thing from Draenor. I dont get why we didn't get an Outland expansion were more sections of the planet get discovered, containing the majority of the Arrakoa, MORE OGRES and the Botani/Breakers conflict. That would've made more sense and been way cooler than nonsense time travelling that isn't even really time travel cause we just went to an alternate universe.

>>50631780
And honestly, the Warson's activities in Ashenvale made it pretty hilarious when I was playing Frozen Throne and the Orcs stumble on the Kul'Tiras fleet and are like 'omg! Why are they chopping down all these trees!'
Seriously, dudes?

>>50645869
....Yes, and that DIDN'T HAPPEN until the MMO had been around for a very long time.
Other anon is talking about right after WC3.

>>50637657
Ysera's an aspect. Why has she been basically just a plot device the entire time she's existed with no character to speak of?

>>50645059

Illidan Dindu Nuffin.

>>50653360

The retcon forced a link between the Draenei (slaughtered by Orcs before the games even started) and Eredar (species of the Legion lords) that's become worse as the Lore goes on. Along with making the Eredar into Dindus.

The retcon would have us believe the Draenei somehow are better mages or light practitioners than Humans with better technology and are focused on fighting the Burning Legion, yet got beat by a bunch of Orcs so quickly. This gets even sillier when you account for WoD and how the Draenei were shown holding their own against the Iron Horde even with traitors among them. They didn't go far enough to fix up the Draenei Genocide to fit better with what TBC established.

>>50653382
I think it was more of a case of
>Don't chop all trees in this area! Thunder Lizards will get out!

>>50653357
Well, her body was impaled on a spike of Saronite, but aren't undead immune to Old Gods?

>>50654259
Because that would involve doing stuff in the Emerald Dream, which would require extra work. Hence she was ignored by the writers until it was time to lolcorrupt her.

Also, someone on the writing team seems to have a seriously petty grudge against the dragonflights. They keep getting killed off and depowered, and at the end of Cataclysm they were all turned fucking sterile. It's ridiculous.

>>50655092
>Along with making the Eredar into Dindus.
The fuck are you talking about? The eredar made their choice willingly and knowingly, no one is making excuses for them.

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>>50655212
Aren't they killing off all of Knaak's characters one by one? I suspect Alexstrasza's only survived because A) she was around in WCII and B) the fans would riot if anything happened to her.

>>50655092
It's because Warlocks are simply better at ensuring genocide of arcane wielding people than telling a SINGLE clan to "Find a way to make yourself useful, or I'll wipe out your Clan. We have Dark Shamans, so your shamanism is irrelevant. Oh, and once you'll do find a way to make yourself useful, handle the genocide of Draenei in Shadowmoon Valley."

>>50655244

They're a villain race who got retconned into being yet another noble species who got corrupted. This time by Warcraft Satan.

Next you'll say the Orcs aren't Dindus.

>>50656538
>implying "literally accepted a deal from Satan enthusastically" doesn't make all their crimes even worse

So with all this Warlock/Demon Hunter talk, how long do you think it'll be until we see a Warlock that's got a Demon Hunter bound and leashed as a summoned minion?

>>50656660
Since this expansion is about masturbating to Demon hunters, I think we'll have to wait for Wrath of the Lich Queen.

>>50656660
Tehd Shoemaker makes a joke about that but hasn't actually done it yet. Maybe in 7.2 when we go into the Tomb of Sargeras for real

>>50656538
>getting offered ultimate power and enthusiastically accepting with no regrets or pressure applied is corruption
This is advanced shitposting

>>50656725
>Tehd Shoemaker makes a joke about that
I'm looking around on wowhead and such but can't find the dialog.

>>50656660
Well we did see a hunter with a transformed druid pet as a boss in BC, so i think its going to happen.

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So when Sylvanas bites it, can the rightful heir get the throne back? Also, can Faol pull it off again and get some money raised to rebuild the capital?

I just plain don't buy the whole "it's just Calia now" line.

>>50656771
The joke is about Banish, but it's the same principle

>>50656771
It wasn't actually about enslaving, but banishing demons.

"In a land of fel-infused elves, the peasant with a good banish spell is king" or something along those lines.

Tehd is based. I hope we'll see more of his and Marius's buddy cop action in the future.

>>50657273
>So when Sylvanas bites it
Pffft

>>50657273
There's really nothing left for her to reclaim. The capital is still in ruins on the surface, and full of corpses and toxic sludge underneath. The surrounding land has either still in ruins, or been built over with forsaken architecture/technology, and plague fucking everywhere. And the biggest problem is that all of her possible subjects are dead. Or UNdead I guess, but really the forsaken are a whole new people with their own kingdom. The kingdom of Lordaeron died a long time ago and it's not gonna come back.

Even so, I want her to lead a crusade against the forsaken and destroy them all.

>>50657906
I want her to lead a crusade for the crusade and destroy Sylvanas

Fixed that for you

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