How is it that this literal faggot is objectively the deadliest

>>50580981

Dunno

I stopped reading Fulgrim after the 100000000000th use of perfect/perfection

>>50580981
Because he is OCD. He's a killing machine because he's obsessed with being the best at everything, including killing. Fulgrim vs Ferrus is like putting a master swordsman up against a weightlifter with a sledgehammer.

>>50580981
How it is that 150 faggot couples broke the motherfucking Spartans and sent them running home crying like little bitches? Oh, wait, does it have something to do with the sexuality? Nope. it's about skill. They won because they were better at the job. Same with Fulgrim.

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>>50580981
He can suck Sangy's angel dick.

>>50580981
Other primarch are little dindu nothing/i do that for the greater good pussy, Fulgrim is a full 100% corrupt asshole and he love every second of it.

>>50581192
Sangy's too prude to allow it despite Fulgrim's multiple attempts.

>>50580981
isnt fulgrim not even fulgrim, but a demon of slaneesh controling his body?

>>50581849
Not anymore, he beat that thing to pulp in his free time, and then tried to kill Mortarion and absorb his powers

>>50581979
oh, i stopped reading shortly after fulgrim book, i think my last one was the one with alpha legion where some aliens convince them that horus has to win to save the galaxy or some bs. it was so terrible i just stopped reading HH. have they gotten better?

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>>50581068
>anon can't handle perfection

>>50580981
He has the most skulls on his armor

>>50582006
Some of them are good,a few more eh,I was disappointed what they did to Fulgrim thigh,I liked his old fallen hero potential redemption to league the imperium story, now he's just a full asshole and isn't really associated with anyone beyond Slaanesh and his harem planet.

>>50580981
Personally I like Fulgrim, at least more so then Dorn or Corax for example. He's like the Lion in that he was fairly normal but he constantly strives for perfection and to lift up humanity in general. Also he's like Sanguinius in that he was on good or at least not bad terms with most Primarchs. He was the only one who Curze considered a friend and I think even Perturabo was on good terms with him. Him picking up that sword and his fall to chaos was pretty dumb though.

>>50581192
I'd ship that.

>>50581979
>tried to kill Mortarion and absorb his powers
I think you mean Perturabo. Mortarian was with Horus during the whole Heresy while Fulgrim and Perturabo went to a Eldar crone world in which that actually did happen.

>>50581192
>>50583403
I kinda ship it. Like I want to ship it, but I want it to be more like >>50581803 said, but more like the Road Runner and Wile E Coyote cartoons with Fulgrim coming up with ever more elaborate traps to try and get that angelic D, and constantly failing or capturing others he isn't interested in.

>>50580981
He didn't fight anyone who was renown for their close combat abilities. He fought his best friend, who wasn't a hand2hand specialist at a moment of intense betrayal he had prepared for, and he fought the most distant field commander who's greatest skill was logistics, organization and moral.

Any time he tried to front at a skilled warrior they laughed at him.

>>50580981
then why did he need to cheat with a daemonsword to win against hist boyfriend/vibrator?

>>50584291
Acctually, he didn't want to kill his best bro, the sword made him slip with his hand and accidentally ferrus manus head.

>dying from a mistake by someone actively trying not to kill you.

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>>50581242
Mah nigga...

>>50583926
>t. Angron

>>50583926

Pretty much this. He either fought people who weren't on his level or after he achieved daemonhood.

>>50584787

Angron was a roided up gladiator who was constantly on the verge of jobbing only to be bailed out by his betters (Big E, Horus, Kharn) and who only kept jobbing after turning full daemon (Armageddon).

>>50584827
>who only kept jobbing after turning full daemon
>Except for the 200 years he successfully burned down 70 sectors of the Imperium, sowing chaos that would leave the area in chaos for another 900 years

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>>50583926
>Any time he tried to front at a skilled warrior they laughed at him.
Any source for that? Just genuinely interested. Guiliman and Ferrus seem to be rather "easy" kills for someone skilled enough, while others may give him a harder time. But has Fulgrim ever fought someone who could take ihm on in CQC, like Russ, Angron, Horus, Sanguinius, the Lion or maybe Konrad Curze?

>>50584787
Angron sort of fought Russ, but who else?

What other primarchs have kills?
horus killed sang
dorn AND guilliman killed alpharius
curze killed vulkan sort of
russ at least defeated magnus, sorry
corax was going to kill lorgar but got distracted

there aren't that many straight up fights

>>50585015
I forget what hh book, so headcannon whichever way you want on that, but he fronted to the Khan and Jaghatai stared him down/laughed at him.

>>50585060
Technically Perturabo killed Fulgrim. After he stole his life juice and as he was ascending to Daemonhood, Perturabo took forgebreaker and obliterated Fulgrims body. But by that point Fulgrim was already a daemon so yeah.

>>50585131
>thisisntevenmyfinalform.woody

>>50585060
Angron demolished Gulliman, but Lorgar interrupted the fight

>>50585239
A baseline human with chaos powers, almost killed guiliman. Heck a squad of infiltration specialist marines with bolters almost killed him.

Good point though.

>>50585310

A psyker alien almost killed Guilliman. Gully was always a low tier hero with high tier hype.

>>50585364
Was he really that hyped? He's always been the logistics and strategy guy, IIRC.

>>50585762
Well the Ultramarines are always billed as being the default and best space marines. So Guilliman gets hyped up by extension

>>50585310
>baseline human with chaos powers, almost killed guiliman
I feel 'caused moderate inconvenience before having his heart ripped out" would describe that situation better

>>50580981
Isn't Sanguinius supposed to be the best fighter?

But then, he's no longer blond in those garbage Horus Heresy books, so who knows?

>>50585364
Yeah the empra really tried to get him over for SummerSlam

>>50581170
spartans were faggots too

>>50585800
couldn't have ripped it out that bad, kor got better

>ultra's primarch can't kill a guy right
>not even by removing his only heart

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>>50583703
>ever more elaborate trap to try and get that angelic d

>>50586056
But anon, Kor Phaeron had two hearts. How else would he have survived having a heart ripped out of his chest?

>>50586182
I thought kor only had the standard human 1 heart. Could be wrong tho, I use HH books as hangover reading.

>>50586438
Well, even Space Marines die if they have all their hearts ripped out. And since Kor Phaeron is still alive and kicking...
He couldn't get all the transplants though, due to his old age. So he wasn't a full Space Marine.

>>50585060
Pert killed Fulgrim and Pert wasn't even at full power due to Fulgrim trying to eat his soul and become a Daemon Prince, but Fulgrim cheated and became a Daemon Prince anyways.

>>50586612
it seemed like that was fulgrim's plan though so I'm not sure if it counts

>>50585131
>>50586612
Imagine if Perturabo actually managed to kill Fulgrim for good before he became a daemon. Hero of the imperium stuff there.

>>50586973

Would have saved Guilliman's life, which would have changed the course of history.

>>50586182
Because he's one of the chosen champions of Chaos. You could probably remove his head and he'd get better.

>>50584649

I can't wait for the day he drops the act and finds another group of doups to suck money from by pretending to be on their side.

>>50585113
That's because the Khan hates showoffs and would rather go for a ride on his sweet bike than get in a pointless dick-waving contest

>>50580981
>deadliest primarch
>can't even properly kill a dirty trench-digger

>>50580981

You know how he focuses on being good at everything?

He's also focused on perfecting swordsmanship.

Ferrus was beating him before he got all daemon-y, if I remember correctly. He may have been holding back though.

>>50589003
He objectively is though. He has the title of most primarch kills

>>50580981
Dorn killed 1 Alpharius
Fulgrim killed 1 Manus
Russ killed 2 Primarchs
Curze killed 50 Vulkans
Roubout killed 100 Alpharius's

>>50589928
>primarch kills
In that department he's tied with Horus and Dorn. Guilliman isn't dead.

>>50580981
Fulgrim is the Primarch I want to like but just cant. Everything about him pre-heresy is perfect. I just cant take that fall seriously and it undermines eveything else I like about him.

Also Logan now carries round a confirmed axe of Khonre powerful enough to wreak Magnus and he hasnt fallen so Fulgrim confirmed weaker than a Space Yiff.

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>>50590074
Maybe he's too stupid to know he's been corrupted like his sons were?

>>50590107
Dude don't you know these are special Emperor designed super-wolf-warriors that fight chaos in the eye without eva falling and are total ok with the grey knights and Inquisition despite the fact that the same mutation is what got the Wolf Brothers killed?

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>>50590131

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Speaking of, who is the weakest Primarch in hand to hand.

Granted 'weakest' probably means 'give a greater daemon or avatar of khaine a good fight'

>>50590583
Pre-demon shit its Lorgar or Alpharius.

>>50590583
Lorgar was the weakest at literally everything besides being charismatic and handsome pre-Chaos. Though, for real hand to hand combat he's probably about equal with Alpharius but we can't be sure.

Discounting Magnus biomancy, Vulkan was the strongest in actual hand to hand.

>>50590583
lorgar even samus could best him.
he slapped an crippled old man and he got up and walked away.

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>>50590619
>crippled old man

Isn't Malacador the third most powerful psyker in the imperium after Big E and Magus One Eye?

>>50590649
Yeah, but his body is weak.

>>50590602
Didn't Dorn need one of his space marines to divert the blow that left Alpharius open and would have killed him?

>>50590612
>Discounting Magnus biomancy
I feel sorry for Magnus and Magnus fans. Because of his psychic strength and what that can actually do he has to be written around/out for anything to actually happen and be interesting.

If Magnus wasnt so emo during the heresy he would have one shot anyone he wanted too. Its boring if it happens so he has to be sidelined and weakened like with the new shards bullshit.

>>50590677
I like him as a tragic character. He's whiny and ruins everything because he's got a big head, but his hearts in the right-ish place and he feels bad about it. That's what makes him interesting.

>>50590619
>>50590649
I believe that Malcador also knocked Angron out at some point.

>>50580981
Slsaneesh is more than just sex.
When focused on a thing they can become way better than the other gods at their thimgs.

Of course they have a higher chance of being useless, sex retards.

>>50590691
>That's what makes him interesting.
I didnt mean to say that he wasnt. I'll see if I can be more clear. In his duel with Russ for example his magic simply doenst work as it normally does and he doesnt use it intelligently, because if he did it wouldnt be 'epic'.

Why didnt he fly up then shoot the shit out of Russ with mind bullets? Why didnt Magnus magic fry Russ in his armour? But later a magical blade could fuck Russ up? Because that shit would be boring. In that duel Magnus is holding off the entire SW force by himself with the SoS still there whilst Russ is going all out. Its supposed to be epic but all it feels like is Magnus had to be written around because we all know he loses but how can he lose when hes so powerful? Well we'll give him something else to do then stop his powers from working fully or him using them intelligently. I dont find that shit interesting or engaging. If I was a Magnus fan I'd be disappointing with how retarded he was and if I was a Russ fan I'd be disappointing with the amount of plot armour he had.

This is what always has to happen with Magnus as he is too powerful a character to be involved in a story with normal characters. Its like why does suicide squad exist when Superman could just go fuck everyone up? Oh Superman is busy with macguffin well send them in I guess.

>>50590832
Could be solved with a blank/pariah Primarch?

>>50590832
>why does suicide squad exist if superman does as well
because superman isnt under the thumb of the government, they cant make him do anything, while the suicide squad is both expendable and completely unable to act on their own desires/agency

>>50590858
A primarch level pariah would send just about everyone around him into fits of homicidal rage. There's a reason they're called Pariahs or Untouchables. Everything about them is just wrong.

>>50590858
Blanks dont actually stop powerful psykers, see Emperor being just fine, and Magnus is the second most powerful after him. In the book its not even mentioned they slowed him down.

>>50590870
This is the problem with metaphors. People address them instead of the point of the post. My bad for using one I guess.

>>50590858
I like the idea that the two missing Primarchs were blanks of such a high level that Emps just had an instinctual knee-jerk reaction of "Exterminatus that planet now." to their presence.

Or they accidentally wiped the planet they landed on of life and had no means of sustaining themselves without food.

Or they landed in a fucking sun.

>>50590896
i understood the point of the post, the inner /co/mrade in me just had to jump on that

>>50590944
Yeah like I said my bad. I watched it the other day is all so it was in my head. It wasnt very good. Margot Robbie is a babe.

OBJECTIVE 1v1 POWER RANKINGS
1 Horus
2 Sanguinius
3 Angron
4= Khan
4= Fulgrim
6 Magnus
7 The Lion
8 Curze
9 Russ
10 Dorn
11 Corax

12 onwards, who cares.

But on a side note, I think Sigismund( at Battle of Terra when he's buffed to Emperors Champion), could 1vs1 Alpharius, and pre-chaos Lorgar

>>50590956
i actually liked most of it, though the reshoots were painfully obvious and the villains were a poor choice for a movie about low level villains doing government dirty work
el diablo was 10/10

>>50591011
> Vulkan isn't even on the list.

Anon...

>>50591011
>no vulkan or post istvaan perty
i mean come on

>>50590903

or they are still around and are such powerful blanks that they simple don't exist to anyone not looking right at them

>>50585113
Scars. Something like "You have a reputation, but I am not boasting when I tell you I'd leave you choking on it."

The Khan told him that he'd beat the piss out of him because Fulgrim likes to shout his skills from the rooftops, and would treat the actual duel like a game, both of which give the Khan an edge.

>>50591027
>>50591057

You could make the case that Vulkan is 10 or 11. Thats about it.

Also whats Perturabo done? Kill a Imperial Fist Terminator Captain? Thats about it.

>>50591112
Vulkan could snap any of the other Primarchs in half. The dude held off a Dark Eldar invasion of his planet with two blacksmith hammers before he even learned what he actually was. His whole thing was that his physical strength was literally impossible, and that only gets crazier when you realize what feats of strength the other Primarchs have accomplished.

>>50591011
OBJECTIVE 1v1 POWER RANKINGS BEFORE DEMON BULLSHIT

>Can fly/cheat tier
Sanguinius
Magnus

>Will win if they dont cheat tier
Horus
Angron
Ferrus Manus

>Both called the best duelist tier
Fulgrim
Khan

>People think they're good but they're really not tier
Russ
Lion
Vulkan

>You cant see him so he gets one chance to win tier
Corax

>Depends which authors writing tier
Curze
Alpharius

>Should have built a wall tier
Dorn
Perturabo

>Utter disappointment tier
Mortarion
Guilliman
Lorgar


Fight me faggots. This is objectively correct.

>>50590858
Thanks to BL all primarchs are inherently Psykers so... Yeah. No Pariah primarchs

>>50591173
I'd only argue about Vulkan. He really should be on equal standing with Angron. Angron is an absolutely insane melee combatant, but Vulkan is explicitly the strongest in physical ability, the field which carried Angron to the "will win if they don't cheat tier." Everything else seems about right.

>>50591247
Sorry but the beast series brings him too far down. Being able to come back from any wound/death is cool but if your strat is to just die and come back it doesnt cut it with the big bois.

>>50591137
He's also described as having to hold back when sparring with his brothers, because he towers over them so much he fears he might hurt them.

>>50585310

Kor Phaeron was a Space Marine, though.

>>50591339
Not the guy your taking to but I thought Magnus was the tallest of the Primarchs? He was known as the red giant after all.

>>50591385
Magnus *could* be the tallest of the Primarchs using biomancy, but in his default height he's second by a pretty significant margin to Vulkan. This is stated in the new HH books, which I assume means it retcons the old stuff that said Magnus was tallest. Vulkan is taller in his regular power armor than Horus in Terminator armor, to put it in perspective.

>>50591407
It's black library, we ignore it.

>>50586973
Khorne would probably make him a Daemon Primarch right off the mark for that. The other gods would grow nervous cause of Khorne's two primarchs, and try to claim the other, unaligned, primarchs. Alpharius would be bait for Tzeencht, while Nurgle would try and convince Konrad or something. The Lord of Despair stchik and all.

>>50591385
I'm pretty sure your right about height, but the Primarch's special attributes veer straight into reality bending territory. Vulkan's strength is unnatural. Magnus' power lies in a different form, whereas all the power of Vulkan is concentrated in him being able to punch shit the bestest.

>>50591407
That sounds dumb. No offense. Magnus was huge and this has been reference many times. Having Vulkan be even MORE HUGE just sounds odd.

>>50585015
Im paraphrasing, but Khan said something like
"you'd treat it like a game, like you treat everything, but I'd fight to the death, and I'd win"

>>50591413
It's Forge World, which imo has been pretty solid overall so I'll allow it. It's also not too big a deal, because I think Magnus being both biggest and best at psychic stuff seems goofy. Vulkan didn't really have anything else going on.

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>>50584649
Agreed, OP walked right into this one.

>>50591137
died like a bitch again and again and again and again and again.

>>50591533

Vulkan is basically Goku. These ten thousand years will reveal that Vulkan has been fighting all sorts of bullshit tier horrors in the realms beyond the Astronomicon's light and that hes basically elevated himself to SSJ God tier for the sole purpose of raping Abaddon in the ass.

>>50591468
Tallest doesnt mean strongest. Besides it sthematically important for Magnus to be such a horrendously mutated individual. If his height is normal and Lorgar is gold then why were people freaked out about Magnus?

>>50591555
> Abaddon's BLACKED Crusade.

>>50591557
Vulkan was already coal black with red eyes, so he was stealing Magnus' mutant thunder before the size retcons. Not to mention Ferrus's metal hands/eyes and Sangy having literal wings.

>>50591584
I'm just pointing out that people saw most of the Primarchs as mutants freaks, with wings and weird skin and other oddities. But when the saw Magnus they were like "Fuck that, kill it with fire".

It cheapens that IMO if he's not fuck huge compared to the others as thats all thats really going on with his freaky-ness these days.

>>50591173
Sanguinius/Magnus
(ok, I dont like it but I need to admit it)

Horus
Angron/Fulgrim
*Curze/Alpharius (cause they will find the way no matter what, thats how edgy fucked they are)

Lion/Khan (autismo and not that good)
Vulkan
Ferrus/Russ/Corax (overrated)

>>50591619
I disagree. His hugeness was kind of lazy. I prefer the idea that he just has a psychic aura so strong everything gets kinda weird around him. A lot of powerful psykers are like that, Ahriman's face is constantly shifting as an example.

>>50583703
> Implying Fulgrim wouldn't be interested in random strangers.

>>50591638
>His hugeness was kind of lazy.
His hugeness was his original thing mate. Before the whole you cant look at him thing he got from BL.

At this point were just arguing what we like more and I understand that so yeah... I guess we'll have to see if FW retcon it in Inferno as they are already retconning RG being the smallest legion.

>>50591675
>RG as the smallest legion

What? Wasn't it always the Thousand Sons? As in, right there in the name Thousand Sons?

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>>50591691
This is from one of the FW books. The TS numbers are totally unclear at the moment as the book ATS had them at 10,000 but that was beofre the legion numbers were made larger.

>>50591714
I feel like that's gotta be an editing oversight, because recent FW stuff also mentions the TS being only 10,000 strong.

>>50591721
Got a source for that?

The FW previews of Inferno have them around 50,000 from what I've heard.

>>50591739
I can't find a source right now because I'm not at my computer,but still, that would put the RG as bigger than the TS. Well, I guess with such a distance between publications mistakes like this are gonna happen.

>>50591691
Before FW reton the smallest ltegion before heresy started was Salamanders

>>50591805
Lol why?

>>50591805

Bullshit. Whats the source for that? Thousand Sons was literally a thousand or less for the longest time, and it was explained away for the longest time with the excuse that they had the most powerful psykers and didn't need to spam marines like the other legions did to get shit done.

>>50591831
They where 1000 at the moment magnus "cured" the flesh change, but that was like two hundreds of years before the heresy and they built theor numbers quite substantionally.
They weren't even the smallest legion on their lowest - ECs were reduced to like 600 marines by their Flaw, and yet they also were full legion strong by the time Heresy started.

>>50591924
>they built theor numbers quite substantionally.
This has never once been the case. Magnus's geneseed is highly unstable and has always been depicted as such.

Whats the Salamaders flaw? Why are they incapable of recruiting?

>>50591980
I think it has something to do with how rigorous their training process is, but I can't remember.

>>50592002
Sounds like skub to me boss. Salamanders would be irrelevant to the great crusade if they were smaller then the TS as they dont have the psychic powers to make up for it.

>>50592017
Oh, I thought you meant why they were so slow to recover post Heresy. Because they were always one of the ones that never recovered after Istvaan. Like Raven Guard.

>>50592046
???

I'm totally confused dude. We arn't talking post heresy or after Istvaan.

>>50591575
underrated post

>>50591980
Fuck Knows.
All I know it that they were round 6k in the book where they fought Expdites and it was very close tho the Heresy. It's probaly just auhor's fuckup.

>>50591348
Nah, he was an old man with the best implants being the right hand of a primarch could buy (and also a chaos sorcerer), but he wasn't a legit Astartes.

>>50591173
Guilliman is in the Curze and Alpharius tier.

Memes aside so are Dorn and Perturabo.

>>50591632
well, strange that russ kicked magnus face in.

>>50584649
>smarmy, effete, assholeish faggot
>makes some unarguably good points, agree with his philosophy if not his methods
Makes sense. Guess we're casting Milo as Eidolon in the hypothetical 40k TV series.

>>50593111
*30k, fuck, you know what I mean't

>>50593089
Writers constantly have Magnus forget how powerful he is, because he'd wreck the setting otherwise.

He can canonically tear apart a fleet in orbit.

>>50593601
I think back then he just bluffed to spook a space wolf. Although he can become a titan-sized cyclope and fuck up a xeno titan with his bare hands... Thousand Sons book

>>50593089
Magnus had Russ on the ropes, but the latter's wolves snuck around and attacked Magnus, distracting him so that Russ could get the upper hand.

>>50593089
I point you towards this comment
>>50590832

>>50591419
But Perturabo is too mathematical for Khorne.