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Ajani #1

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Ajani #2

These cards for some new Planeswalker decks?

>>50543442
Tezzeret and Ajani 2 are from the planeswalker decks it would seem by their collector number. Ajani 1 looks like it's from the actual set

>>50543442
Yeah

I was gonna flip my shit about seven planeswalkers in one block, but one of those ajani is from the planeswalker deck. still probably going to be six walkers again if there's an in-set tezz to go with that planeswalker deck tezz. also i want that planeswalker deck tezz for an actual deck, which already makes him better than the other planeswalker deck walkers

>G/W and U/B
I'm new to the game and I hardly see any U/G cards, should I just scrap the U/G deck I'm working on and focus on my R/B artifact creatures deck?

>>50543424
>>50543436
>>50543408
This art is so fucking boring.

>>50543610
It's not Aether Revolt.

>>50543616
Ajani Unyielding is. And I don't think they magically ask artists to be worse for planeswalker decks.

>>50543598
>should I just scrap the U/G deck I'm working on and focus on my R/B artifact creatures deck?
How do you expect anyone to meaningfully answer that?

>>50543622
No, but paid less.

>>50543641
But they look about the same as Unyielding to me, and Unyielding is just dull.

>>50543436
>tfw his ultimate can be responded to.

>>50543632
do blue and green have significant synergies to warrant trying to build a deck for standard on an extremely tight budget?

>>50543674
>standard
there's some energy shenanigans, but probably not right now, no.

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>>50543674
If you are building on a budget, it doesn't matter what colors you use, just go have fun.

>>50543674
Its the best goodstuff color combo in edh

>>50543408
EDH Fodder

>>50543424
Literally a upgraded Ob Nixilis. I don't know what is worse, Bant getting another toy to goodstuff you to death or that they are Powercreeping good Walkers, (inb4 :homossexual Modern players that it isn't viable. No shit, sherlock it's a 6 mana Walker)

>>50543436
Shit walker just like weak Chandra and weak Nissa. At least Tezzy got it right,

Just remember if you only have one artifact in your deck Tezzeret just gets it.

>>50543754
You mean if you run blue Gearhulks his +1 says draw a blue Gearhulk.

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>>50543754
>>50543779
>+1: stack your deck in perfect order, draw a blue gearhulk

>>50543754
Four copies of one artifact card would be better, so Tezz can actually do something again for three more turns

>>50543408
>tfw will slot tezzeret in with new breya artifact degeneracy
I dont think I can get any harder right now.

>>50543820
must be a great deck if "random" is the perfect order for it

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>>50543408
See pic related.

With the way Standard is going I frankly didn't expect a Tezzeret Agent of Bolas or a Tezzeret the Seeker, but this is just demoralizing. It's not TERRIBLE but it's not a card I'd play in any deck, and it'd be a weak in any "competitive" EDH deck. In an artifact deck I have hugely better cards to play that kill way faster than new Tezzeret. His minus is fine but unremarkable. His plus is okay but there are much better tutor effects in the game for way less mana. His ultimate is cool but the rest of him is just not enough to make me excited.

>>50543836
That is also the shitty intro tezz rather than a main set tezz

>>50543823
Holy shit you are right, like that wasn't implied you retard of course if a card is good enough to tutor for you should be probably running a playset

>>50543852
Backpedal any harder and you'll be in fucking reverse, mate

ITT: People who don't know that this is the Planeswalker deck Tezzeret.

That being said, this is definitely the best of its kind so far. Nissa almost got there and Chandra was a big miss (so is the new Ajani).

>>50543833
I read it as "any order" for some reason. what happens if you +1 him without any artifacts in your deck? does it just become '+1: shuffle your deck' or can you simply not use it?

>>50543985
with no artifacts it becomes "+1: reveal and shuffle your deck" so it's almost actively detrimental.

I know it's an intro deck planeswalker but Tezzeret's 2nd ability is potentially strong in eternal formats. Especially Vintage decks ahoy where you can drain them hard with a bunch of Moxen in play.

>>50544002

Rev up those Cosi's Tricksters.

>>50544028
I have a casual deck that uses mirrorworks to produce a fuckton of mana rocks, and honestly i think i'd rather run new tezz over agent of bolas just because it can dome someone the turn it comes out, and not have to survive at least one turn to pull it off. it's not a competitive deck, but it still speaks to the fact that tezz could be a functional wincon in a real deck. the spell that fetches him is gonna cost five, and probably not be worth it, but I'm worried it'll toe that line and both might actually hit playable in some niche archetype.

>>50544064
except it doesn't actually shuffle your deck, it just functionally shuffles your deck, so no. it's like how any effect that puts the top card of your livrary into your hand doesn't work with anything that cares about drawing.

>>50543408
So, uh, if you run 0 artifacts doesn't the +1 stack your whole deck?

>>50544160
RTFC

>>50544160
No, it just reveals your entire deck to your opponent.

>>50544172
read the first cost?

>>50544288
Fucking card

>>50543424
>>50543436
Both are kind of shit, which one is the starter deck exclusive?

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>>50544288

>>50543408
Yawn.

Whatever. My Breya deck is finished anyways.

>>50544078

Guarantee that someone will try and make Metallurgic Summonings+intro Tezz.

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>tfw paging through all 3 CMC artifacts to see which format snaps when Trophy Mage drops

>>50544546

The answer is "casual".

>>50544546
If it was CMC3 or less, every format.

>>50544320

The one without StP on it.

>>50544546
It'll see fringe Vintage play because Crucible and Trinisphere in Shops.

>>50543674
Just play casual.

>>50543424
So is this good in standard or not? To me, if it costs more than Torrential Gearhulk, it's not worth casting, right?

>>50544546
It hits a lot of good shit.

Pity that Stoneforge hits all the swords already. I can see it in vintage 5color humans to grab spicy hate cards, and it could be a way for some etb deck to eke out card advantage. Modern it feels too slow, I don't think any deck wants effectively two playsets of crucible.

gets razor boomerang tho

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Gideon can now drive two vehicles at the same time

>>50543836
It's only the intro deck Planeswalker. It would surprise me even more, if they were decent in any form.

>>50546817
With so many copies of Lilly being played, I don't see how you'll ever crew 3 so early.

>>50546817

TIBALT AGGRO

>>50546817
>Be Gideon
>Put one one foot on the flagship
>Put the other on the Heart of Kiran
>Cross your arms
>Fly your opponent in the face for 12 dmg

>>50546984
It's Liliana that's going to be doing the crewing

>>50547023
>Get Natural State'd and Blessed Allianced.

>>50544320
>>50545980
I mean really?
One is card draw and removal on a stick and one is +1/+1 counters and lifegain

IN RESPONSE TO EMRAKUL, I'LL USE LILLY TO CREW SO SHE GOES DOWN TO 1 LOYALTY

GOOD LUCK KILLING HER NOW KEK

>>50546817

I can see Nissa voice of Zendikar working with this in some G/x aggro list.

>>50547396
>opponent simply uses the crew ability to drain Lili and proceeds to crew the Heart of Kiran X times with your Sorin where X is Sorin's current loyalty

>>50546817
Gideon: Crew this and Copter
Liliana, Nissa, Saheeli: 3 mana curves well with this
Nahiri, New Ajani: +2 makes crewing this even better.

>>50547575
Then your opponent casts Emrakul and makes Gideon crew it 4 times, Lilly crew it 4 times, Saheeli crew it 4 times, and oh wait all of your planeswalkers are dead now.

>>50546817
This card is spoiler: broken

>get done playing EDH
>every game has a atraxa super friends deck
>well theres always standard to change things up
>25+ planeswalkers in rotation

>>50543674
No.

If you want a budget color combo pay BR, a lot of the good cards are under a dollar and (save Scooter) the ones that aren't also aren't exorbitant. (unless you're the kind of mega casual scum who thinks ten bucks for a playset of a really strong card is a waste of money)

>>50547617
>Not running 5 colours and tutoring for Atraxa so you can finally tick up Tibalt without fucking your hand up

>>50546817
Modern Sun and Moon, welcome to tier 1.

>>50546817
FINALLY SOMETHING THAT THE ONE MANA PLANESWALKER CAN'T DO

>>50547701
never said anything about budget. if you dont like playing against/with planeswalker, it a shitty time to be an mtg player. The market is so over-saturated with the things that you will have to deal with them even on a kitchen table level.

>>50547791
Out of all the planeswalkers in Standard, only 5 of them exceed $10. How are they too expensive??

>>50547874
Plus, NewJani won't exceed $10 either when the set prices settle, it will be $6-8 at best. Will new Tezz be OP, or will it be mediocre like Ajani? We shall see.

>>50547874
Gee I wonder how many planeswalkers are actually playable in standard

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>>50546817
>Standard hs Offically become this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bjiqaRpKG8

Gideon "JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE"

>>50547874
Gideon, Liliana, Nahiri, Chandra: what's the 5th? There seem to be only 4.

>>50547874
>>50547912
you may want to reread my post. I never said anything about cost. In fact, them being so cheap, due to over saturation of the market, means there going to be played in everything from kitchen table on up. If you dont like to play with/against pw or if you want to see big spells printed, and not stapled to the bottom of a pw, your out of luck.

>>50547963
Yes, that's the shit I'm talking about. >>50547023
Fucking perfect

>>50546009
No it fucking won't, colored shops is ass and not one plays it.

>>50548065
>Gideon "come on jace, just believe in the Gideon that Believes in You"

>>50547966
Yeah there are only 4, sorry didn't realize Nissa VF dropped in price so much. Seems the only way for a walker to be good these days is to a) control the game as soon as it hits the board (Gideon) b) be grossly undercosted (Liliana) c) be a textbook example of bad card design (Nahiri) or d) be a mega-toolbox (Chandra)

>>50546817
>oh cool a vehicle that has synergy with planeswalkers
>4/4 with vigilance and flying? not bad.
>I didn't look at the CMC first though this things gotta be like 4 or 5 mana
>2

alright well this thing is stupid

>>50543436
>185/184
We Secret Rare now.

>>50548247
Jace is pushing 10 and has passed that on some sites

so you have 4 and 1 borderline I think

>>50548530
It's like that because it's in the preconstructed Planeswalker decks but not actually printed in the set itself.

>>50548557
It still weirds me out.

>>50547023
>12 damage

Gonna have to ask you to show your work on that one.

>>50548685
Oh excuse me 13. Thought Sky Souvereign is 5/5. Not playing standard, so it's been a while.

>>50548827
Sky Sovereign can't shoot players

>>50548827
You also thought Skysoverign's ability hits players.

>>50546817
I just shat myself

>>50543408
>>50543424
>>50543436
DID SOMEONE SAY SUPERFIRENDS EDH DECK?

HAHA XDDDDD

>>50546817
All planeswalkers can now protect themselves, nice. Now if only we had some cool walkers that took advantage of that instead of the same +card advantage -protection stuff

>>50547023
i imagined him crossing his arms before you even typed that out. amazing

>>50546817
so we now have the Weatherlight vs the Predator Part II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0sJ5APGXp0

>Chandra at the wheel!

>>50543436
>-11
>Doesn't even close to instakill
>Requires a creature
>Probably just going to get Murdered anyway
How awful

>>50549166
>chandra has her big breakdown

>the gatewatch supports her in her hour of need.

>this kicks in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlE8ZESSEI

>>50548493
Same reaction. I was like "Meh. It looks kinda dumb. I probably wo--uuuuut?"

Into my GRb aggro it goes.

>>50546817

Pushed mythic that can use another mythic to be even better.

People wonder why standard attendance and Magic in-general have stagnated. Pushing mythics so hard is a problem WoTC just wont deal with. Any new player looking to get into deck building with his pool of cards he got drafting is going to find out that 90% of the cards he picked are absolute shit, and if he wants to play competitively (people play for fun but losing 90% of your games IS NOT FUN either), hes going to have to drop 200-600 bucks for a deck. You don't think people don't get turned off? Having the power level of a set distributed across a small pool of cards makes an unfun environment. These last few sets feel like the power has been concentrated among fewer cards, on fewer rarities.

During the RTR - Theros Standard I built a weenie aggro deck, black enchantment aggro, and a control deck, all on a budget. They obviously were not tier 1, but I never felt the decks were so much worse as me having no chance. I remember blowing U/W control decks and B/G decks up somewhat consistently with my R/W weenie deck on T3-4. My black enchantment/devotion/whip aggro deck was FUN, AND I won some games with it.

It feels like lately the top tier decks are just so much better then the next tier. I didn't feel like this was the case in RTR, Theros, Khans, and Scars block to a lesser extent (didn't play during Innistrad). I could brew something up for 50 bucks and have fun with it and do OK. Top tier was still top, but at least I felt I had a chance to upset them with some nut draws and smart play.

TL:DR: I'm a faggot ranting about WoTC and pushed cards/lower power everything else.

>>50543424
>>50543436
>ajani is GW commander
You know, I'm actually okay with this. Fuck yes, finally printing some GOOD walkers.

>>50543436
>>50543408
These planeswalker starterdecks are so stupid

"we can't put chasemythics in prebuilds so the solution is to make a garbage product nobody in the world should buy"

>>50549306
Heroic was Tier 1 and it cost like, 40 bucks.

and yea, the big problem is, a new player has no out other than instantly delve into the fucking secondary market.

its not intuitive, to play standard, you must not buy packs, you must buy singles from someone else, and you must know how to do this pretty much from "go".

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>>50549306
Abuse of mythic rarity? I don't know what you're talking about.

When Bant "Mythic" the deck was creeping around and Baneslayer Angel cost $50 should have started Wizards on the path to nixing the mythic rarity for both cost and power purposes. Then we had $100 Jaces and Lotus Cobra and Vengevine costing some amount I don't remember but recall not being pleased with.

Instead, their solution was to print shittier mythics. Problem is, shittier mythics did not solve the cost nor power problem.

So here we are. The funny thing is that if they killed mythics today players would have a shit-flinging party about how Wizards is fallible and how they're so fucking smart with the legitimate retards coming out of the woodwork defending the idiotic rarity because they love it when they get a mythic while cracking packs.

>>50549306
This is so blatantly obvious, I don't see how Wizards doesn't see it. You can't make a set with a couple dozen shit cards and then six really really good ones. Come on.

>>50549446
Don't forget $60 Thundermaws and ANOTHER $100 Jace.

>>50549454
the worst part of printing shitty mythics now is they have no value outside of standard.

meaning they will cost alot because of standard, and then rotate.. right into the garbage bin.

very rarely is this not true, only with cards that are exceptionally pushed, such as Grim Flayer.

>>50549471
For
>>50549454

>>50549454
>legitimate retards coming out of the woodwork defending the idiotic rarity because they love it when they get a mythic while cracking packs.
Not gonna lie, it does feel pretty good. I think they should just move the power around. Give the commons something actually playable now and again. Make mythics really shitty but fun to play, like janky commander cards I guess. Essentially the polar opposite of what they're currently doing.

>>50549496
Liliana sees play in Modern as well but obviously I don't think that it retain anywhere near its price tag once it rotates

>>50549467
the best part at least, is that it is actually working out very poorly for WoTC and only WoTC

the secondary market is still fine, only WoTC is truly suffering (and LGS reliant on FNM to draw people in)

attendence is so bad they are literally throwing anything at the wall till it sticks.

Mythic Rarity needs to go, its a blight and its runing their game, standard costs too much and there isn't any stopping it.

>>50549546
>Essentially the polar opposite of what they're currently doing.
Funnily enough, you basically nailed the original criteria Wizards set for mythic rares. They stuck to it for 2 years, then printed Lotus Cobra.

>>50549577
at least we have a flashpoint of exactly when it all went to shit.

Zendikar Giveth and Zendikar Taketh away.

>>50549555
>attendance is so bad they are literally throwing anything at the wall till it sticks
What pisses me off about Standard Showdown is that it's a program that they're going to fucking dump within a year just like every other get-people-in-the-store program they introduced. All I've ever wanted from Magic is reliability. I want to reliably have drafts fire (not MTGO where opponents afk by double-queuing), I want promotional cards that don't piss me off, I want to see my store not struggle and host Magic at a loss because Wizards forces them to (how fucking terrible is it that Magic is the only loser product).

>>50549546
I don't fault you for enjoying the feeling. But in all seriousness it's probably more efficient doing heroin or cocaine - they're certainly more reliable if you want the euphoria.

>>50549617
It makes no fucking sense that they shit the bed at Zendikar. Zendikar should have been finished by the time they introduced Mythics with M10 and Alara.

>>50549547
The rule for Standard rotation is that if the card is playable in Modern, it will retain its value. In fact, it will rise shortly after rotation. This above all things is true; it's the ONLY fact that I can say with absolute certainty to it's veracity.

New Liliana is never going to drop. It sees play in Jund and so long as Affinity and Infect remain good decks (I see no fucking reason why they won't) it will be useful.

I'm not even going to look up the price, but whatever it's at right now, it's only going to go up.

>>50549895
Liliana will definitely drop, Standard decks require playsets and she only sees play in two modern decks as a 2-of at most so there won't be nearly as much demand.

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>>50543408
>Tezzeret is pretty decent for a planeswalker designed to be a bad card
>Your favourite colours walker is just a shit
Damn you WotC

>>50549975
To me, immediate demand has nothing to do with it. Stores know that the likelihood of reprint is really low so even if nobody wants the card NOW, there will always be people entering Modern who will want it in the future.

And for that reason they will never drop the price.

You might look at me and say, "Snapcaster is down to $40 now." Well sure, it's down from like $80. But guess what, when that fucker rotated he cost $30.

>>50549895
Gideon will crash, Liliana and Nahiri won't drop much.

>>50549990
I'm actually happy with both Ajanis. Something about two abilities that tick up makes me happy.

>>50550062
Snap was $18 actually.

>>50549454
>>50549435
>>50549496
>>50549577

The problem is that I know WoTC can print GOOD but reasonable mythics that hearken back to what the first said about them. "Strong flashy, FUN, cards that are archetype defining, but not so strong every deck needs them, or in fact, should play them". An example off the top of my head was Omanth. That green blob thing was my fucking nigga. He enabled whole different deck types and building decisions, and was good. Not broken, not weak, good. Most importantly, he was FUN. He begged you to try to break him, and sometimes you got to do some absolutely degenerate (FUN) stuff with him. Not this above curve, under-costed, always value, always expensive $$ stuff we've been getting lately.

I think they try to print pushed mythics and rares like Grim/Copter to just sell cases to singles sellers and the likes hoping to make more money. I don't think it's working out for them because they are getting desperate with this Standard Showdown shit.

>>50550062
Snap is that low? Wow, might want to pick some up.

>>50549735
Standard showdown is actually a great idea
if stores distributed packs the way they were supposed to

Wizards reccomends that packs be given out randomly to all attendants but the majority of stores are just frontloading it and giving the majority of packs to the winner of the tournament

this sort of defeats the purpose where the showdown packs were meant to try to infuse the market with these high value cards and give them to just random players, some new some old, but all that is happening now is the people who bought into the game are getting the lion's share and will continue to horde and sell off the playable mythics and rares at absurd prices

Konami is shit and yugioh has gone to complete shit over the years but one thing they did that always made me a little bit happy was they attempted to fuck over the secondary market by doing constant reprints of cards that became too expensive from older sets

>>50547791
>do blue and green have significant synergies to warrant trying to build a deck for standard on an extremely tight budget?

Wanna try again you illiterate mongoloid?

>>50543408
Wait, this is intro pack tezzeret? I think it's not bad at all.

>>50550163
Even some of the Walkers fit the "reasonable mythic" category. Kiora, Arlinn and Tamiyo are shining examples of this.

>>50550138
Yeah? Okay. I just remember buying 4 for $100 (a legitimate deal) around Christmas after Innistrad came out and never ever heard people not crying about wishing they had bought it at $25.

>>50550189
>showdown boosters
>high value cards
Hahaha no but seriously.

>>50543408
>master of metal
why can't nahiri be Queen of Rock?
you blew it wizard.

>>50550239
of the 6 I have gotten I got a scalding tarn, Emrakul and a Gideon

I have also seen another expedition, Grim Flayer, and Skysoverign
this is out of maybe 15 packs the store has received

>>50550189
I don't think Standard Showdown is a bad idea. I just know that it's going to get ditched, which is just going to erode the fucks-given for any new promotional thing Wizards pulls out its ass later. I already give zero fucks but the idea that I can play Standard twice a week ALMOST made me come back to Standard until I came to my sense and recalled all the times Wizards failed to commit to me the times I committed to them.

Wizards doesn't actually recommend that the packs are given out randomly. I don't know where the myth of random distribution came from but from the WPN site:
>We recommend you prioritize recipients in this order: 1) undefeated players, 2) returning players from previous weeks, 3) new players, 4) players who brought a friend.

The reality is probably that there are NO new people or people bringing their friends so stores have just decided to front-load it.

when are we getting modern playable cards
that aren't BG

>>50550343
They could've start by giving foil mythics on prerelease like they used to.

Why doesn't Wizards just enter the singles market themselves and make a ludicrous killing while also steadily driving down the prices of almost every chase rare?

>>50550408
When was the last time those were even playable? Wurmcoil Engine? Sun Titan?

>>50543674
Temerge, maybe?

>>50550426

Because they don't want to be busted for gambling?

>>50550408
Wizards stopped doing that because fucking crybabies complained about stores holding back promotional product so they could sell it on the secondary market.

Which does not represent the majority. We only heard about whiny bitches from shit stores. Most stores behaved well.

I don't even know if that's the reason. Wizards has never fucking given a reason why promos have gone to shit across the board.

I'm willing to subscribe to any stupid conspiracy theory why our promos are garbage. I'm willing to say they had leftover art and that's how they pick the promos.

>>50550471
>Selling cards directly is gambling
>Selling randomized packs of cards is not

>>50543598
Hell no! Look at olders sets. Kiora's Follower, Voidslime, Momir Vig, theres so much neat simic stuff!

>>50550502
>Kiora's Follower
Ya blew it.

>>50550479
I think you are incredibly stupid if you can't see the difference or know why it'd be gambling.

>>50550163
>BOOHOO I NEED GOOD CARDS FOR MY COMPETITIVE DECK AND THAT COSTS $$$ THIS GAME WAS BETTER IN MY DAY
>Wizards is increasing supply of those rares/mythics everyone needs? Pffft they must be getting desperate for attendance

>>50550433
the only janky mythic one i can think of is that shitty vampire.
Most of the mythic one are playable.

>>50550477
That was baffling for me too. If they said they want to protect 2ndary market, hey guess what? the amazing ones (wurm and emmy) are still fucking expensive.

Now here's a better suggestion if they don't want one card to flood the market. Make it like today but make it random foil mythics so there won't be people who pulled promo fucking Dubious Challenge or those one rare red 'randomizer' card they put in every set.

>>50546817

>people crying about crew 3
>after the fiasco that was and still is smugglers
>what is veteran motorist
>what is depala
>what is activated toolcraft

just fucking end my life

>>50550595
How about you explain why Wizards can't sell singles but SCG can.

>>50550062
Snap is that low because Wizards conspires with vendors and it's about to be reprinted in MM2017, the same reason Liliana dropped to $80.

>>50550727

Because he's a wotc shill, like >>50550608

They always say incoherent bullshit and then caps lock shit. It's like arguing with a liberal, they refuse to listen to you and just throw low energy snarky quips around. Wotc shills infest the shit out of this place, and it's most apparent during spoiler seasons.

>>50550683
Fuck, you reminded me when I just quit going to prereleases for Sealed.

It used to be simple. You got a fucking Emrakul and you played Sealed. Plain boring Sealed. Loved it.

And since then you got a random promo, and like you said, some people got fucking garbage and some people got the fucking tits. And that's all it took to set me off. I was fine that sometimes someone opened the tits in Sealed, I could deal with that. What I could NOT deal with was the fact that some people got that extra rare that just sometimes took it over the top. And with removal becoming more and more dogshit, that extra Serra-Angel-grade Rare was all it took to flip games.

I don't fucking get it at all. You pay an artist to make extra art of a sweet card, package those cards in a pack, and you're good. You don't have to waste your fucking money every 3 months designing special boxes with special dice. When you just do plain Sealed the unused booster boxes can be used for regular sales instead of having prerelease packs that fucking compete with Toolkits and Intro Decks for shelf space.

>>50550727
easy, setting a factual, standard price for singles, and then selling them in random packs is gambling.

period.

AHAHAHAHAAHAHA TEZZ IS SHIT. AHAHAAHAHAAHAH


fuck plainswalkers and the cancer they brought to magic.

>>50550824
Logistical costs spiralling out of control is generally the start of a company's decline.

>>50550873
>FTV
>Planeswalker decks
>Intro decks
>Event decks
>Commander decks
Nope, Wizards never sell known cards at a fixed price.

>>50550894
they aren't selling you a single though, its a promo set, the cards inside have no fixed price.

>>50550892
That's the duel deck one, it's shit on purpose.

>>50550908
So put cards in a special box and say they're promotional.

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>>50550908

They're selling cards with a set quantity and amount for a specific price. You're paying $30 for 100 single cards in EDH decks.

Or you know, they could just switch to LCG styled distribution

>>50550776
It doesn't fucking matter if there is a conspiracy of cooperation with the vendors or not.

All that matters is that the price drops to RECORD lows.

And it never fucking actually drops to record lows. There was nothing (useful) printed in Eternal or Modern Masters that actually fucking dropped in price where the card is accessible. The cards inflated to extra-hot-bullshit from regular-bullshit and the reprinting only dropped it down to hot-bullshit.

I know this because I recall with every single one of these cards when they were modestly priced (like Wasteland at $40) I thought, "That's too expensive" then they went through the roof to $80, then Wasteland got reprinted and guess what it's at now, $40.

And what pisses me off the most, is all these goddamn players just singing Wizards' praises for these reprints just not realizing that the price went fucking net-nowhere. That is what hurts the most, that Wizards knows these players are the most dumbest exploitable motherfuckers who will drink whatever piss they deign to drip into their cup.

>>50550873
What if the price was simply pegged by an algorithm to steadily undercut the secondary market?

>>50550595
I'm incredibly stupid. Explain it to me.

>>50550824
They don't even need to do it differently than now. Just reduce the promo print run to mythics only. Yeah sure, there are shitty mythics but they still are mythics. Opening a General Tazri still felt better than opening a fucking Hedron Alignment.

>>50550953
>>50550928
you faggots don't seem to understand.

its legally gambling, you cannot argue with me on this.

>>50550968
Then how is it legal for Wizards to sell decks?

>>50543750
>Ubpraged Ob Nixilis
Explain.
It costs more mana, the +1 can't hit lands, instants, or sorceries, the -2 gives the opponent life and the ultimate requires a other creatures or planeswalkers to be in play to be good.

Ob Nixilis is a control card that draws you more answers/removal or acts as creature removal in a pinch. If left unanswered it also becomes an inevitable threat. Ajani Unyielding is none of those things.

You could make arguments that Ajani is better than Ob Nixilis but I don't see how you're viewing this as an upgrade or powercreep.

>>50550968
It's pretty easy to argue with you considering there's no difference between a FTV, and a Liliana of the Veil in a nice presentation box with a fixed price tag.

>>50550968
>legally
no it's not. If it's legally gambling, the gubmint would've shut it down.

>>50550916
:(

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>>50549446
I also don't have any clue, anon. That other guy must be inventing things.

We need to stop fucking arguing about gambling.

Guess what, gambling has a different definition in every single country and its legality is also different. So even if it is not philosophically the definition gambling, it just might still be defined as gambling within the legal system of whatever shithole you're in.

>>50547602
>I had multiple planeswaklkers in play and at least one vehicle.
>You somehow survived long enough to cast Emrakul.
Huh.

>>50546817
Specially made for Derpala.

>>50551094
Yeah because Delirium is a deck that just fucking keels over.

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>>50549306
It does help too that WotC thinks catering to the SJW's is a nice way around the high level of cost to play.
>Sorry Little Tumblrteen, I know you are frustrated with loosing all your games, but hey you got to play that shit lesbian non binary otherkin Legendary that you had to open 15 packs for, but it was worth it for "representation". Good Goy, buy more packs.

>>50550968
>legally

You use that word. Let's go with the US Federal law
http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/gambling/

>A person engages in gambling if he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he or someone else will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome . Gambling does not include bona fide business transactions valid under the law of contracts, such as the purchase or sale at a future date of securities or commodities, contracts of indemnity or guaranty and life, health or accident insurance.

Let's go over this slowly because you're a fucking deluded retard.
1. You buy a pack of 15 cards.
2. Your money is already sunk into buying the pack itself, regardless of intent or outcome.
3. Gambling would be "Hey I bet $5 I'm gonna pull something good."
4. You're not betting or raising stakes on a certain outcome. There is no ante when you buy a pack, you just spend $4 on it and you're done.
This is why booster packs aren't considered gambling, because you're not betting money that you're pulling something good. You're merely buying 15 cards that may or may not be good. It's like the lottery, which is legal in most states.

>Gambling is accepting, recording, or registering bets, or carrying on a policy game or any other lottery, or playing any game of chance, for money or other thing of value. Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 1955, makes it a federal crime or offense for anyone to conduct an 'illegal gambling business.'

Federales would have shut down baseball card companies in the first place, back in the fucking 60s or 70s.
Never use the term "legally" again.

>>50550940
Wasteland is at $26.

I hate Wizards too but prices don't adhere to this ransom principle you've applied to them, read a book nigger.

>>50551184
And yet you somehow didn't remove any of the three planeswalkers I had in play?
So you didn't have a way to actually put threats on the board or in any way interact with my boardstate, but you still somehow managed to not lose (but also not do literally anything else) long enough to cast Emrakul.

Delirium sure is a strange deck if it literally can't interact with the opponent at all but still somehow survives to turn 10.

>>50543408
That +1 is fucking insane

>>50550521
>he doesn't know

>>50551226
I'm Canadian and our dollars are significantly worth less than yours. Wasteland is 40 beaverbucks.

And I'm going to stick to my random principle even if it makes me look like an ignorant fuck. It doesn't matter if the principle is wrong or right, the reality doesn't change in either case and that's all that matters.

It's like climate change. It doesn't fucking matter what is causing it, the end result is that Earth looks like Venus if we don't get off our keisters and do something about it.

>>50550819
>I have no substantive argument against the things people are saying to discredit me so I will just call them shills and liberals

Don't you have an inbred sister to be fucking, Cletus? Or did pa let you out of your cage to make a moonshine delivery to the family that lives down by the nigger hanging tree?

>>50546817
Holy fuck i really fucking like this mechanic.
Little op though

>>50546817
does this make r/w vehicles a thing in modern?

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>>50543408
What kind of metal does Tezzeret listen to?

I'm betting industrial trans-humanist metal.

>>50551418
No retard.

>>50550939
reminder that the Netrunner base set doesn't even come with a full playset of the cards

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>>50546817
I fucking hate vehicles as a mechanic, guess any of these I pull are being sold

>>50551462
Ignore the netrunner lcg faggot who always came to mtg threads preaching about the evils of tcgs.
They have a single thread that haven't maxed from a week ago filled with desperate bumps.

>>50550343
>new players not number 1
Jesus fuck

>>50551561
Well, you just know players are going to moan, "Then what's the point of trying?"

And they'll keep moaning up until the point they have nobody left to play with. Like the people who condemn the use of proxies. And I'm not talking about proxies for sanctioned-use, I mean the people who get all bitchy about other players using proxies in EDH.

>>50543424
>>50543436
Who cloned Ajani?

>>50547782
Heh

>>50547023
Damit stop making me like worst walker.

>>50547518
Can you crew an already crewed vechile

>>50551198
Wizards has never pandered.
The banning of zach jesse clearly came down from hasbro and they never backed down on triumph of ferocity.

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>>50546817

shiet

>>50550189
My understanding is that although average prices are higher in yugioh then magic they rarely get as insane.
I am jealous

>>50551418
No. It will be a 1-2 of in Sun and Moon MAYBE, and that's about it.

>>50551785
Yes you can.

Esper Tezzeret PLEASE

>>50550392
Hopefully soon. Remember, AEther Revolt is the fist set since Dragons of Tarkir without a new incarnation of one of the Jacetice League walkers, so anything is possible,

>>50550392
Or NahiRWi/Chandra GoD

>>50543408
Forbidden Orchard + Kiora's Follower + Tezzeret Ult for the jank win.

>>50551506
I'm with you bro. Vehicles are a mistake.

>>50552436
The mistake was not printing any decent instant speed removal to get rid of them

>>50547750
Dear god I hate that name because I always think of Wheel of Sun and Moon, which isn't in the deck.

>>50547782
When did a one mana planeswalker get revealed or spoiled?

>>50552506
Some faggots are still butthurt about Deathrite Shaman

>>50552470
Firing MaRo doesn't seem to be instant speed.

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>>50547782

>>50551522
I know, I just love rubbing that in his face whenever he thinks he's being clever by bringing up netrunner

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>>50551326
>Venus atmosphere
>96.5% Carbon dioxide
>Earth Atmosphere
>0.04% Carbon dioxide
Hahaha. You fell for the wealth redistribution jew. Better pay your carbon shekels you goy.

>>50546817

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

GAS GAS GAS
A
S

G
A
S

G
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good card

>>50543436
This is awful. When did Ajani turn into some pretty boy? He looked wise and kind of aged in previous sets, then he became badass and powerful as Ajani Vengeant.

>>50547602
>then your opponent casts emrakul

At that stage he's basically secured the win, that's not even a counter argument anon.

>>50551522
Netrunner's big problem currently is that the game kind of got solved, and it's going to be another 5 months before any new cards get printed.

>>50543408
Someone needs to photoshop a guitar into his hand

>>50546817
>Use Gideon to crew Heart of Kiran
>Throw the Kiran on top of the Skysovereign
>Turn Gideon into a creature
>Gideon literally flying up to his enemies to hit them with his whip.

>>50553562
GIdeon in this set in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh4uNhrOF2s

NEW JAPANESE SPOILERS
SOMEONE TRANSLATE THIS
http://haste.blog.jp/archives/1062913325.html

>>50554010
>GIdeon in this set in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8

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>>50546817

This is what came to my mind

>>50554109
holy shit thats great first time I have laughed in awhile

>>50543408
>tfw this slots into the breya precon commander deck like it was meant to be

>>50554039
Blue instant has same text as voidslime

>>50554039
Red enchantment:
2R
whenever a non-token artifact is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, [this] deals 3 damage to target opponent

Blue instant:
1UU
counter target spell, activated ability, or triggered ability

Black sorcery:
XB
[the first ability is like convoke but for artifacts, idk the english name]
target creature gets -x/-x until end of turn. gain x life

Multicolor sorcery:
2UBR
each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker, then discards a card. return a creature or planeswalker card from your graveyard to your hand, then draw a card.
whenever you cast a bolas planeswalker, return [this] from your graveyard to your hand. that planeswalker enters the battlefield with an extra loyalty counter

>>50554510
So Thoptersword will be Jeskai rather than Esper.

>>50554532
>>50554510
oh i think i fucked up the enchantment translation, i'll fix that in a second

>>50554510
>>50554551
Red enchantment:
2R
whenever a non-token artifact is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent may have [this] deal 3 damage to them. If they don't, return the artifact to your hand

>>50554510
So the 3rd walker's going to be bolaski?

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>>50551841
NIGGA are you high, since Khans of Tarkir the SJW factor started to ramp up.
>Trans Card
>Autistic Plainswalker lore and card
>Gay Commander Card
>Lesbian Lore Couple
>Chandra is now half India (dot)
>Chandra x Nissa is now cannon
>WotC bending over backwards for some fat Indian bloger
>Bust sizes and cleavage is shrinking or being covered
>Innidstrad now 40% black/10% Asian
>Sexy anime playmats can get you DQ
>You can be DQ'd for making someone uncomfortable
>WotC pulls all promotional deals with conservative mtg youtubers
>That fat fuck Boogie trying to provoke a gamer gate luke gender war in the community.

Yeah shit ain't great

>>50554677
>Chandra x Nissa is now cannon
what

>>50546817
Kiran is Chandra's papa, right?

>>50554576
That's completely different and utter shit.

>>50554677
>>Sexy anime playmats can get you DQ
Good.

>>50554757
yeah sorry i glossed over the last part of the text too quickly

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>>50546817
>VIgilant
>you can use your planeswalker's loyalty to defend it and still attack
>this fuckon curve hits them for 5 on turn 3 assumeing you didnt play a 1 drop

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>>50554708
Yeah to kill Ulimog and Koz on Zendikar. Chandra and Nissa absorb all the Mana of the plane. Nissa pull there real forms to the world and Chandra just uses lots of and lots of Fire to kill them. In doing so they have a soul bounding moment and get really "close". Now the two act like anime girl high school couple even though Nissa is still trying to figure it out.

>>50554677
Women ruin everything, news at 11.

>>50554510
>whenever you cast a bolas planeswalker, return [this] from your graveyard to your hand. that planeswalker enters the battlefield with an extra loyalty counter
I was liking the sorcery until this shit,. WHy the fuck does WotC think it's a good idea to print planeswalker synergy cards when all the good walkers are fucking (relatively) pricey mythics?

Good job killing your game MaRo, glad I switched to Shadowverse where fun complex combo decks are actually allowed to exist without having to pay out the ass and play legacy.

>>50554855
That's not QUITE canon, chap.

>>50554957

It's canon enough for outrage addicts, apparently.

>>50554906
Nigger.
Nigger pls. You can't be that dense.
Are you really gonna tell me you hadn't notices Magic became the "1-card a set is good and it's always a walker" lottery since Origins?

Looterscooter is an anomaly and I bet MaRo hatefucks piles of print tests of the thing every night because Chandra wasn't the lottery ticket of the set and people are able to play a powerful card that isn't Mythic.

>>50554977
There's so much to be legitimately outraged about, though.

Mythic tribal is something that Wizards is pushing hard enough that it's making my head hurt, and yet we're worried that the two most boring characters in MTG are acting stupid?

>>50554957
Then what is going on?

>>50555014

There are people who will always get more butthurt about lore and card art than whether the gameplay is good or bad, anon.

Particularly since this latest fad of "well, tumblr is happy about this thing so I hate it now" thing started.

>>50555031
Nobody at WotC knows what friends act like, and you're surprised?

>>50554995
>Are you really gonna tell me you hadn't notices Magic became the "1-card a set is good and it's always a walker" lottery since Origins?
I've known since Origins, but now is when I'm quitting for good since they've stopped printing good burn for red and interesting spells in general. The only reason I didn't quit ealier is because I had a somewhat enjoyable From Beyond ramp/toolbox deck that searched up whatever titans I needed and shat them on the board but it's simply not viable anymore.

>>50555064
Good Point T.B.H I think no one at Wizards knows how adults and humans interact.

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>>50555226
>cancel with upside
>rare
I want off this ride

>>50555226
improvise looks fucking sick depending on what its on. Dark intimations has a neat implication, if there's one for other planeswalkers it might be neat.

>>50555226
I guess dark imitations confirms a nicol bolas card in ahmonket

>>50555319
think of it as trickbind with upside

>>50555353
Since (I think) god cards a la Theros are confirmed I was hoping it'd be a Nicol Bolas god card like fuccboi Xenagos got

>>50555364
>no split second
>upside

>>50555364
It's Voidslime without green in the cost

>>50555371
could be still since xenagos got both a planeswalker and god card himself.

>>50555226
>Disallow

>WotC: Cancel is nice but we don't want to do the same thing all the time
>WotC a while later: Btw we're going to make a Cancel but it exiles
>WotC monthes after: We heard you're enjoying exiling cancel so here have cancel that also counters abilities at rare make blue great again

>>50555319

If it makes you feel any better, Baral will likely get a card and you'll have a legendary that's focused on counterspells. He'll probably be an asshole card par excellence or utter garbage.

>>50555226
Improvise's mechanic is worded so fucking strangely.

>>50555364
lol what?

>costs 1 mana more
>no split second

what goes on in your head i wonder

>>50555470

It's Convoke with Artifacts.

>>50555319
Cancel with upside is still Counterspell with downside.

>>50555470

It's the same as the new convoke wording, really. The first line is super-unnecessary, but it's more new player friendly apparently.

>>50555470
They should have recycled the convoke wording but with artifacts.

>>50555470
must be due to interaction with producing mana? stuff like this never came up unless you count activating and tapping for wall of roots for chord

>>50555470
I think it's to clear up confusion that might have existed for shit like Delve or Convoke

Like people not knowing whether they should tap their lands or creatures first or exile their graveyard cards first for delve.

Neither of those is particularly a big deal, but I think it's just so you know right off the bat how to use shit for the ability

>>50555462
Baral 1UU

Flash
When he ETBs counter target spell and draw 3 cards, the put two cards back.

1U; Return~ to your hand

3/1

>>50555319
>what is mono-blue voidslime
no way that shit's anything other than rare bro.

>>50555488
That's exactly what it is. "after you're done activating mana abilities" just seems like an odd addition.

Plus "your artifacts can help cast this spell" sounds juvenile, but I think that was on convoke as well.

>>50555226
I feel if you put Battle at the Bridge's flavor text on Dark Intimations it goes from a smug quip to a guy feeling real fucking lonely as he realizes he just fucked up while working for Bolas

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>>50555528

>>50555528
When you come to him
and you can't go through him
and you can't knock him down
You'll know that you've found
Baral
Baral
Baral
No man on Earth can make him fall

>>50555226
>Dark Intimations
Well, that's an unique card if I've seen one.

>>50550392

Seriously, I need some competitive 2 drop spells to put in my spicay Mardu

I'm tired of all this Infect shit

>>50551221

You should save the text for the next idiot that thinks this

>>50550968
>legally gambling

When you gamble you have a chance to lose money.

When you buy a pack of Magic cards, Pokemon cards, baseball cards, etc you get what the pack says. With Magic, that is 15 Magic the Gathering trading cards. Barring print error/pack tampering, you will always get 15 cards in a booster pack.

>>50555181

There's no "Adult" creature type printed anywhere, of course they don't

>>50555226

and yet disallow will still be too slow for Tier 1 Modern

It's ok tho

>>50555528
that card is 50 dollars and spawns multiple blue modern archetypes

>>50555676
It'd actually be super fucking refreshing for a legend to absolutely defeat a planeswalker.
I'm not asking for Chandra to die because I know better when dealing with IPs and executives, but Baral unapologetically defeating her like she's just another creep would be great, don't care if Nissa and Lilly save her afterwards.

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>>50556033

I see what you mean, but the last time that happened...

>>50555757
Opening a specific Mythic Rare takes aprox. 110 boosters. By making that card the best card in the set and a must-have 4x in one or both of the two tier 1 decks for a standard season, they make sure everyone who wishes to compete needs to have 440 boosters open just for one playset.

They know perfectly well what they're doing and the only reason they don't aknowledge the secondary market is because it may land Magic in registered goods.

>>50543424
>+ is card advantage
>- is spot removal
>Ultimate is irrelevant

It's nice to see that WotC is sticking to the formula nice and hard.

>>50556083
Heliod didn't beat Elspeth in combat, he betrayed her and she didn't fight back because she wanted to die.

>>50556114
this.

though this is because no one has ever beat Elspeth at combat because she's an inhuman, incredibly strong monster.

even the phyrexians thought her freakish.

I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but if a person wanted to import foreign language sealed product, what would be a good site to do that?

>>50556424
Ask your store. Stores buy from both Wizards and distributors. Either one will have access to it. Give your store a lot of notice.

>>50556424
Import, as in alot of products?

>>50555812

>counter anything, 3 mana

Does versatility hurt your autism?

>>50555676
Its designed like the intropack cards.

>>50556033
>Who is Thassa
>Who is Avacyn
>What is Emrakul

>>50555491
Read the card again anon

>>50556254
Gideon could probably penetrate her somewhere

>>50555528
Way to fucking good

>>50557024
Forces of nature.
Back when walkers were ubergods, legends like Tetsuo, Volrath, Gerrard and Sengir would still be challenging opponents they'd rather avoid unless your name was Urza or Taysir. Nowadays only literal gods compare to walkers despite being much weaker because they have the only superpower that matters: plot armor.

>>50556088
Nobody is saying the situation right now is acceptable but its not gambling.

>>50557038
Daxos did already
Tch, Kytheon, upstaged by Therosians as always.

>>50557025
Not like he misread it, he's just flat wrong as they're different effects.

>>50557078

>tetsuo is still the only person to BTFO bolas to such an extreme

Its jarring

>>50556088
That's not what the anons mean.
You can say it's philosophically gambling, you can say it's basically gambling, you can say whatever but legally, it's not gambling.

>>50557291
the jitte does not fuck around

>>50557291
Who wins? Myojins or Theros Gods?

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>Printing a card thats better than a current $10 card

Jesus fuck

>>50557571

What do you think the price will be like for it? Since blue was getting shat on for awhile, this is going to be in high demand dropping the price of voidslime so I can get that on the cheap too

>>50557590
At rare level it might actually not be cheap. You'd have to quickly pick up a playset since this is easily the best Cancel alternative thats been printed in a while.

If Voidslime does not drop expect it to be at $15 each, $20 if its picked up in standard decks and pray that mono-blue decks in modern don't pick it up.

>>50557571
I think for once this is not to blatently sell more packs this is something that was badly needed.

People are actually COMPLAINING about a strictly better Voidslime. What the fuck is going on in this thread?

>>50557609
You have to understand that this set is going to be opened far more than dissension. I genuinely doubt any price is going to go up, but I do anticipate this being a rare you don't mind pulling from a pack.

Think of it this way, do you really see this card going to Scooter prices while still in print?

>>50557658
Because it's magic spoiler seasons Anon!!! It's the time where magic is dead a hundred times per thread.

>>50555777
Oh you

>>50555567
>>50555569
>>50555958
>>50557071

Sorry forgot to mention he's legendary

>>50557702
Still way to fucking good

Legendry means fuckall in the grand scheme of things.

>>50557291
>Ajani

>>50557786
weeeell technically ajani beat only beat bolas because of bolas so it doesn't count

>>50555528

>brainstorm, counterspell, and body and self recursion at instant speed at 3 mana
And I thought Glen Elendra Archmage was good

>>50546009
>t. someone who doesn't play vintage

>>50543820
Source?

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On a scale from 1 to 10, how busted is this one?

Jund and shardless players must be coming buckets

>>50558762

pretty fucking busted

It doesn't even take down your own grim flayers + free liliana

>>50558762
>, darling,
Of course the magical asexual lesbo had to speak like a nigra.
In my Queen Marchesa (a proper lady) deck, this'll most likely be boardwipe and draw spell or wipe and manarock. Same for Traximundar.
On Standard it'll be wipe and Lilly 90% of the time.
It's shit in every other format.

>>50558762
>Modern

Sure, I can see it. But unlikely.

>Legacy
Thalia and co. says no.

>>50555226

>That wording for improvise

What the fuck is this word vomit?

>>50555226
>Battle at the bridge

Oh shit that looks fucking perf-

>Sorcery

God. Damn. It.

>>50559281
storm says it wants a boardwipe with a free cabal ritual after

>>50558930
meh, easier to deal with than cascade you nignog

>>50559895
thalia and wingmare say hi

>>50555226
If I would get a nickle for everytime someone is going to say 'Intimidations' instead of 'Imitations', I might be able to buy a box of EMA.

>>50559939
fair point

>>50559950
you owe me a nickle

>>50559281
I can still see it in shardless. Shardless and Grim Flayer still work, just like deathrite shaman if you don't have anything else. Plus it gets rid of Thalia at the same time.

>>50559950
and yet it is neither of what your wrote
>Intimations