Warhammer 40k General

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>>50516779
Wrath of Magnus in the Mega.
Wrath of Magnus FAQ
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/03/wrath-of-magnus-faq/

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Wrath_of_Magnus_v1.0_Dec16-1.pdf

>Q: Do the new Pink Horrors get Malefic psychic powers?
A: No, they do not get Daemonology (Malefic) Powers.

boy am i glad they stopped those WAAC faggots right in their tracks.

Looking forward to black legion terminator army

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ETHEREALS ARE ASLEEP!

POST TORCHSTAR

>>50516919
Fuck yes. Always thought the new psychic tables trumped the brb bit about daemonology. And good by the summoning bullshit.

>>50517000
Post progress when you do. I have about 20 CSM termis that I would love to deploy

Does GW not sell objective cards anymore?

OK, seeing as the Chaos players are in a good mood, and GW has released a lot of new shiny stuff recently, enthuse about your new toys/rules/models, anons.

I'll start, I just finished a Sydonian Dragoon and a group of infiltrators and ran them against my friend's Lamenters. I lost the game narrowly (3 pts to 4, Big Guns Never Tire and I hadn't got enough AA to kill his Stormraven even with an Icarus Array) but my new units were badass.

The Dragoon popped a Baal Predator on T2, then proceeded to die on overwatch to a meltagun, but it did it's job.

The Infiltrators killed a unit of Tacticals and then killed a Death Company on Overwatch, forcing them to fail charge, then charged THEM and owned them.
They eventually died to a Furioso, but that's hardly odd.

I dedicate this thread to awesome new shit and cool moments in games. What have you got, anons?

WoM epub is too wrathful for coolreader, it just crashes. wat do?

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>>50516953 here

>>50517055
>Tyranids in general are a weak codex.
>Genestealer Cults are what you want to look into if you want a good Tyranid army, but you will have mutants and traitor guard in your list too, it won't be pure nids.
I picked nids because I want cute nids. I'm gonna suck anyway so I might as well suck with something I like the look of.

Is there any other formation I could add to the skyblight swarm formation?

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>>50516779
>mfw
I doubt.
>>50517166
Pray to the Omnissiah.

Have chaos babies finally stopped crying?.

>>50517222
I wish. There's still plenty of grumbling.

>Chaos players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-avN1eDoQ

>>50517222
the new rework for TSons is awful but every other legion that didnt get new models are good. so maybe?

>>50517183
>Tyranids cute?

Woman I guess?

Has anyone else noticed how Tau players are always the worst dicks?

Could the DG rules make Posessed viable? in the DP + Posessed formation they can negate the -1 I and shred MEQ without taking causalitys. If you distract the enemy firepower with some T5 FNP Termie or tactical blobs they could make it in CC.

>>50517166
>>50517193
Have you tried putting out the incense, then lighting it again?

>>50517222
No one's plight is worse than the poor CSM player. for theirs is truly an unplayable army, unloved, and ignored more than any other faction in 40k.

>>50517257
Why do all the 40k bitches want that alien dick?

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>>50517238
>SoB players just waiting for the Squat.
>Imperial Agents has only prolong our suffering.


Kill SoB already or give it a proper update. Fucking Sisters of Silence and Custodes got plastic models before SoB.

So CSM with World Eaters rules get everything Berzerkers do for 4 points cheaper aside from +1WS and an extra attack from having pistol/CCW... but have a bolter instead.

Spending 2 points per marine to give them a CCW and keeping the bolter ensures that they can actually soften up a target decently before charging, which helps to further mitigate overwatch troubles and increases the chance to win. With this setup though, you have 2 points cheaper berzerkers that can do their job better.

Is giving such a unit 2 flamers worthwhile? Helps mitigate damage from them being charged + can increase their damage output when charging.

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>>50517273
I know this is a joke and/or bait, but I'm going to reply anyway

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>>50517260
They have a large quantity of them, and the stories we hear turn out to be true. Especially with unpainted models.

So, which book defeated Space Marines more embarrassingly or thoroughly? Warzone Fenris or Warzone Damocles?

>>50517183
Skyblight is outdated and bad. Don't try and build it, the FAQ shit on it by saying you can't deepstrike in your Gargoyles for no good reason, and Harpies are frankly garbage.

Did you assemble the warriors from the SC already? If so, that sucks, warriors are shit. If not, then I would definitely recommend buying a thing of Venomthropes/Zoanthropes and building zoanthropes. With the contents, you can convert your Warriors into Lictors with the Venomthrope heads, build Zoanthropes and Neurothrope, which can be funny and cute and cause some damage with the Neurothrope power, and then, by far most importantly, build Mucolid Spore Mines out of the Venomthrope tentacles and sacks. Mucolid Spore Mines are one of the most important units, bar none, in the Tyranid codex because it allows you to fit in more big bugs by cheaply consuming your tax troops.

Oh and Mawlocs are the second best units in the Tyranid codex next to the Flyrants you already have one of so build some Dune sand-worms and more Tyrants.

>>50517311
Fenris. SW lost to Thousand Sons.

Thousand Sons can't beat anyone. You expect tau to win.

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>>50517280
Because women see things differently than us. It's like insight.

>>50517257
I'd do a tervigon

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>>50517280
Every 40k bitches I've known either play SoB, Eldar or Nids.

On a side note faggots play Eldar, Tau or Catachan.

>>50517286
What's that tentacled thing?

>>50517354
I'd guess a Malanthrope but more likely it's just a random thing in the interior of a Hive Ship.

>>50517389
On second look, i think you're right on the first one, almost definitely a Mal

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I complained about Word Bearers a lot in the previous thread, but besides the Possessed joke they actually aren't terrible. Their tactics just focus more on their HQs than on their regular dudes.

I'm refining the method of making Word Bearers broken. This is what I've got so far:

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with Power Armour, Spell Familiar, Psyker(Mastery Level 3), Crown of the Blasphemer

He will cost 300 points, 340 if he takes Wings, but it's alright, and here's why.

He is a powerful melee fighting monstrous creature with a 3+/4++ re-rolling 1s, who strikes with huge weapon skill and initiative at AP2. With Discipline of Tzeentch and Malefic Daemonology, he is also capable of buffing himself and unleashing witchfire, as well as... summoning.

This DP casts Summoning(which he can always take) and/or Incursion on 3 rolls of 3+. He only suffers perils on double 6s because he is a daemon, and re-rolls failed psychic checks because he has a familiar. This means he only needs 4 psychic dice to be able to summon in most cases, which he will always have(even if he's the only psyker in your army he gets 3+d6 each turn)

Essentially he consistently makes his points back in a couple turns by calling up mobs of plaguebearers, flamers, plague drones or screamers, depending on what is needed to counter the enemy list. And, he will also massacre anything short of TH/SS terminators in melee because he's a daemon prince.

But it gets even gnarlier if he rolls Sacrifice. For the small price of having to backstab one of your underlings(or take a wound on yourself), you get an exalted daemon... with the Grimoire of True Names. Which 2/3 of the time gives your Daemon Prince a re-rollable 2++.

So just take this guy and cheese it up while playing the rest of your warband as a regular space marine army.

give me your opinion anons:

could the raptor formation work if taken by emperor's children?

the idea would be using 3 big squads with the icon to give them 4+ fnp, and take 2 meltas per squad and something good for the champion

commander would go out with the lash of torment or whatever the name is for the new relic that gives ap2 and instand death on rolls of 6 to wound

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>>50517297
But Nid players got GSC, complete with a whole line of new models. But what have CSM got?

>>50517460
>Nid players got GSC

CSM players got Daemons.

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>>50517257
Why does everyone say or assume this? Guys can find nids cute too you know. Liking nids doesn't mean I'm a girl.

>>50517318
Did you assemble the warriors from the SC already?
No just the gargoyles so far. Are warriors and lictors similar I'm guessing as far as bodies?

> If not, then I would definitely recommend buying a thing of Venomthropes/Zoanthropes and building zoanthropes. With the contents, you can convert your Warriors into Lictors with the Venomthrope heads, build Zoanthropes and Neurothrope, which can be funny and cute and cause some damage with the Neurothrope power, and then, by far most importantly, build Mucolid Spore Mines out of the Venomthrope tentacles and sacks. Mucolid Spore Mines are one of the most important units, bar none, in the Tyranid codex because it allows you to fit in more big bugs by cheaply consuming your tax troops.
Wow thank you that's so helpful. I was gonna start on the flyrant next but i read somewhere that flyrants really like twin linked devourers which I have to get elsewhere or something?

>>50517460
I seriously hope you're joking anon.
CSM have
>traitor legion rules
>IA13
>rengades and hertics
>daemons
>HH
>useful relics
>formations
>amazing models
>a fucking primarch for 40k
They have almost as much support as loyalists.

>>50517486
The meme is that most 'Nid players are grils because they think thy're cute. Those tiny ones that come in packs of 3-5(?) on a single base especially.

>>50517442
Bigger squads have a bigger risk for mishaps if you deep strike. And with the icon that would be a lot of points gone.

>>50517290

CSM tacticals can swap bolters for pistol+ccw for free.

Flamers are good for that kind of squad, but I would run meltas though because they will already be able to kill large hordes in melee easily enough but lack inherent anti-tank.

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>We give as good as we get!
Tau firepower should be doubled desu

>>50517486
>Why does everyone say or assume this? Guys can find nids cute too you know. Liking nids doesn't mean I'm a girl.
They assume it because girls love nids. My friend game me his Tyranid army cause he quit the game. I have them displayed on a table and literally every woman that is in this house or has passed through this house in the past few weeks said something like, "Aw, they are so cute!"

My mom, my sister, my gf, my mom's caretaker, my mom's CNAs, my mom's nurses. That's like 12+ women that have all commented on how cute the Tyranids are. Guys can find Tyranids to be cute and fun too, but it's definitely a girl army.

>>50517545
Swarm models are adorable. Had you seen the m&m scarab swarm?

Anyone got Z's current email?

I just bought some krieg stuff from forgeworld then had to cancel the order 3 hours later because it's christmas and my catering job at a school stops over christmas so I have no money

pls help a poorfag out

>>50517486

Yeah, they're similar in bodies. Only real difference they'll have is that Warrior Scything Talons look way less cool than real Lictor ones, but it's a small deal. Just look up a lictor and model the scytals to be in a somewhat similar pose.

As for TLDs, yes you need to get them elsewhere. I model them using Crushing Claws with the big crabclaw cut off, then gluing two Devourer heads from either Warrior or Termagant devourers onto the spot where the claw used to be. Alternatively, if you've got a fat wallet, Forgeworld sells actual TLDs. If you don't play with cunts just assemble the Heavy Venom Cannon and tell people that it's a set of TLDs.

>>50517567
I have not t b q h

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>>50517433
It really is charismatic leadership.

>>50517558

Rippers are cute. Carnifexes too.

But you need the badass ones, like Hive Tyrants, Warriors, Zoanthropes, Venomthropes, to make it all fit together.

>>50517612
Thropes are pretty kawaii desu.

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>>50517557
What are you smoking? Slaanesh probably wants some.
>that picture
>BROTHERS, ON THREE WE TIP IT OVER! THE CODEX CALLS THIS STEEL TIP!
And according to the Deathwatch RPG they could probably do just that.

>>50517555
The point is they buy a CCw and keep their bolter so when they're making their way towards a squad to charge it, they have better guns to soften them up before they get there.

Berzerkers have shitty pistols and almost never get to use them or do anything with them, and so suffer massed overwatch against a full-strength squad. This way you get all the benefits of the CC prowess of Khorne but have better guns and STILL be slightly cheaper than berzerkers.

>>50517670

That's actually not a bad idea at all. Give it a try, tell us how it goes.

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>>50517222

Word Bearers and Thousand Sons players are still acting like the world is ending.

>smaller stores only get 3 of the battleforce boxes

Fucking gw

Just make bolters assault weapons and allow bolt pistols to increase attack bonus. If that isn't good enough allow pistols to fire back at enemies at bs1 if they overwatch you

Bolters not being able to assault is stupid

>friend who plays iron hands refuses to play against any list I have with Magnus in it

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>>50517761
Word Bears and Dust Bunnies got be Word Bears and Dust Bunnies, Anon.

>>50517768
>acting like iron hands are good
>acting like a well played Magnus isn't Eldar tier

Unless your friend plays centurion death star or battle company, he is right to refuse you, scrublord

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>>50517545
Wow I didn't really think there was a definitive girl army in a game like this. I get called a girl enough as it is for my choices in whatever game I play. Explains why my friend snickered when I told him I picked tyranids.

>>50517558
well
They are cute. You can't really argue that.

>>50517570
Are warrior primes shit too?

Also, do you have a list for a small army (I guess between 500-1000 pts idk) that uses the models you mentioned in your other post?

>>50517768
>Knows this
>Still keeps putting Magnus in the list

>>50517768
Good. Take that Magnus and shove it up your ass unless you're playing 3000 points and up

>>50517768
Unless that's a Gravhammer/Gladius/Conclave BS list, I agree with him. Not much your token Hydra, Icarus Array or Stalker tank can do to handle a 4++ rerollable FMC at T7. Hell, a little effort, emphasis on little, and he is 2++ reroll 1s and effectively a flying, invincible D beam and 4 other powers. I would rather fight a Warhound Titan.

>>50517790
He takes smash fucker and Grav out the ass

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>>50517768

>sperglord comes looking for sympathy
>wants to run magnus

>>50517737
Will do, friendo. Just a shame Berzerkers are invalidated.

>>50517433
See, my current plan is just to curtail a few points from my current Black Crusade Detachment list, and shove in three sorcs, each with a familiar and WL 3, one with the bonus WC artifact, one with the extra malefic relic.

Summon three units of lesser demons a turn by throwing 4 dice at it each, adding in the various traitor astartes powers to taste.

>>50517836
Also, shit. Gotta be careful, cause Bolters can't assault but if you have pistol/CCW then you can choose to use those instead. this means you're unlikely to fire 20 bolter shots within 12" and then charge the enemy, but you can hammer them with bolters, get in close with pistols and then charge. In that case, flamers would be ideal, since you can decide that 2 decide to use those instead and get more hits and be able to assault normally.

Am I imagining things or does Matt from Mini War Gaming cheat?

>>50517826

Smash fucker is shit for his points cost

>>50517794

Warrior Primes are like space marine captains/chaos lords with better base stats but no iron halo or terminator armor. So, they're kinda sucky. They also increase the ballistic skill of their brood though, so the regular warriors can actually hit stuff with their deathspitters. And one can take a miasma cannon if you like the idea of a heavy weapon HQ.

>>50517794
Warrior Primes are pretty dogshit. They need to cost like 50 points instead of fucking 100. Even then they'd just be okay. In general they need to be reworked from the ground up, pretty much.

For 500 poins, I'd go

Flyrant with TLDs and E-Grubs

2x Mucolid

1x Zoanthrope, 1x Neuro 2x Zoan

1x Lictor

Comes out to 495.

1000 would look like

2x Flyrants, Egrubs

2x Mawlocs

2x Lictors

1x Zoanthrope

1x Gargoyles (10)

>>50517853
Word beares will probably make to most out of the new astrates powers. The Cult legions have only limited acess and IW, Alphas, and Night Lords dont favor psykers that much.

>>50517433
dp with armor = gravbait, poof gone
also, t5 model at 340p, s10 instant death, poof gone

>>50517273
Wut we just got 2 books and like 5 kits

It's possible more kits next month and that's a lot dude.

Sisters got fa for like 19+ years

And I'm an EC player I've been waiting for none fw noise marines for ages.

>>50517570

Another common TL devourer conversion is to just use the Fleshborer Hive weapon that nobody ever uses(from the Tyrannofex kit).

>>50517949
That 9 should be a zero sorry

>>50517969
I fucking love those things but they're so damn impossible to find I gave up and it'd kill my ocd to have one flyrant with fleshborer hives and the rest with devourer-claws.

>>50517892
He's a huge waacfag to the point that he rigs campaigns with family or able scenarios and deployments.

>okay the scenario is the ig is defending this bridge against a huge tyranid horde
>adds rules that let's nids ignore bridge and all arrive on top of ig

Lel

Complete newfag question here, Grabbed the start collecting Skitarii box, and am gonna grab another one (maybe 2) after I finish building and painting and am wondering if I'm allowed to take the Dominus maniple as well as the Skitarii maniple as a single force or am restricted to picking one of the two?

So i have been thinking about alpha legion daemon prince:
>nurgle to represent SUPERIOR STELTH
>wings
>Psy level 3, biomancey
>power armour
>blade of the hydra
so you try for warp speed, though iron arm is fine, as is endurance
If you get it off, warpspeed gets you 8+d6 attacks, which explode on 6's, so on average, 13 str 6 rending attacks, at I10 and ws 9. Rending means you can threaten tanks, especially with that many dice to throw at the problem.

325 points for the above, which also gets a 2+++ vs shooting, is pretty damn nasty

>>50518011
Nah, you can take as many detatchments as you like. So you could have the Dominus Maniple and then 2 5-Vanguard squads and then whatever else you wanted in the Skit Maniple.

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>>50518034

>warpspeed
>13 str 6 rending attacks

>>50518034
2+++ until the tau show up. I already lost one Nurgle DP turn 2 to S 10 Ignores cover at BS 5 through markerlights. Doesn't feel nice.

>>50517946

So, what, are DPs bad now?

Does grav actually make it the "meta" choice to take a -/4++ over a 3+/4++?

>>50518084
TBQH m8, tau can fuck of. not much i can do about them: even with Iron arm and the relic armour of 2+ (so dropping the hydra blade) a rip tide, or plasma-crsis squad would dick me in the ass.

The only hope would be to fly. cant remember, can tau get skyfire easily?

>>50517995
Jeez he sounds a fun guy to play against

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>>50517912
So one zoanthrope kit, and 2 of these?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sporocyst
and then the lictor?

Also, wow mawlocs are cute too desu. Does the flyrants in your second list use TLD too? and is the zoanthrope there mean the 1 neuro and 2 zoan as well?

You guys are so helpful though, thanks.

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>>50518117

mawlocs are the cute-est

>>50518091

Just say it has no armor if playing vs grav

>wom finally leaked

i'm so excited 40kg

>>50517946
>grav
>having skyfire
good one lad

also, name a common str 10 weapon that ISNT blast

>>50518132
Railguns? Unless that changed from 3rd

>>50518142

>railguns

do Taufags even use those anymore?

>>50518147
Not sure I haven't seen a Tau player in a long time. Kind of the wonders of the third world.

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>>50518132
WARBOSS PK

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>>50517557
Godspeed you glorious yellow bastards

>>50518142
Only hammerhead ones, and they are never taken

>>50518159
>Orks
>a melee race
ect.

>>50518112
The 1d4chan Tau tactica even has skyfirelisted as a army special rule because of the easy acess...

>>50518162

>You have toilet in your home Deepak Singh
I hear that's kinda rare in that part of the world.

>>50517768
unless your playing apoc, keep magnus out

>>50518091
Theyre overpriced, 350p+ thats stormsurge territory. You can summon better with heralds hiding behind a building.
Yes grav made daemons better because theyre kind of a hard counter to grav.

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Hey /tg/. Should I build the Stormhawk Interceptor or the Stormtalon Gunship?

I know they have different purposes, but all in all, in a game where the opponent has no aerial units, which one is better?

>>50518206

*unless you're playing apoc, any Eldar army, any Tau army, any White Scars army, a War Convocation or a Decurion, keep magnus out

>>50518132

grav doesnt need skyfire when you have 6 heavy grav cannons * 5 shots each from admech for instance.

>>50518178
Except the one time when one insta-killed my DP yeah

>>50518227
>30 shots
>5 hits
>3 ish wounds
>2++ leads to 0.5 wounds
you are right, how will CSM ever recover!

>>50518218
interceptor is i think better, though more costly

>>50518256
huh. honestly havent seen one is about 3 years

>>50517995
Not sure what waacfag means? I haven't played since forests blocked line of sight and catachans had their own codex.

I was just watching a video where he had to roll 4 saves at a 6 save and only rolled one six and all others under six and he claimed that meant he only lost one. Sounds like he blatantly cheats.

>>50518227
6 shots each from the Kataphrons, and they can reroll hits with Canticles sometimes and be given BS2 snapshots with a relic.

>>50518276
Well my opponent hasn't expanded his army in a long afaik

>>50518220

And the overwhelming majority of the people here don't play those

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>>50518191

>>50518191
Don't meme me with my own fucking meme.

>>50518117
I'd recommend against buying the Sporocyst kits. You need to buy Tyrant and Mawloc kits in addition to the Venomthrope one.

To make the mines, I'm planning on trying to use the leftover Venomthrope back bits for the bulb, and the tentacles for it's tentacles. However, if that doesn't work, then I'd buy Forgeworld Meiotic Spores.

>>50518321
If you have enough units, you can get the re-roll hits buff, which works out to cause 2 wounds on nthe poor bugger

this requires a relic, and a full squad AND enough units (11 i think)to get the highest level of canticles, and can only be done ones per game

not that spectacular to be honest m80

>>50518360
No one owns the memes brah, they flow freely

>>50518011
You can and should take both.

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>>50518220
>mfw I use anvil strike force so I can bring iron hands tanks and dreadnoughts that don't completely suck, and have a dreadnought as my warlord.

I guess I deserve to be buttfucked by magnus for my waac faggotry.

>>50518276
you know tau will just delete it though. but fun playing with ya.
Also, grounding checks, and whatever weak shit you can poop out every turn isnt enough anyway. have fun good luck

>>50518468
beyond the tau comment, i dont even know what you are trying to say. as i said earlier: fuck tau. fuck them hard

>>50518392
8 Units for max canticles, plus the relic is essentially an auto-take, for me at least. Can be done twice a game, and even 6 Kataphrons force a grounding test and cost about what you paid for the Prince.
Not terribly interested in trying to mathhammer my way past Grimoire BS anyway.

>>50518256
happened to me too. also that tau tank. ignore my cover and just *bloop*

>>50518392
its 8 units, and its twice, and theres skyfire interceptor crabs, and mysterious objective rerolling to get skyfire wherever.
Flying stuff is not immortal , not by a long shot. though you can fly in, summon and then fly out?

>>50518496
nah hes not talking grimoire, hes just believes jink + shrouded saves him lol

What's the word on the Iron Warrior's /tg/? someone in yesterday's thread said the motherfucking Kai Gun is back, is this real?

>>50518538
Well then, Glorious BS2 Kastelans can shoot a wound through that and make my Kataphrons ignore cover, at which point the Dominus Runs over to them and they melt his Prince.

>>50518557

No Kai Gun that I'm aware of.

Iron Warriors get:
1. Tank Hunters Mutilators and Obliterators as Troops
2. Tank Hunters Havocs
3. 6+ Bionics FnP
4. Siege Masters
5. Blood Feud vs Imperial Fists

Their decurion makes them stubborn and re-roll the scatter die for.. something(veterannoob's english is pretty broken). They can also take up to 3 fortifications as part of the decurion.

Can't wait for the specifications of the legion detachments. I need to know this shit to make my list. How does this sound for casual games?

Iron Warriors main detachment
2x2 Oblit troops, Warpsmith Hq, 2x5 Havocs, one with 4 Autocannons, one with 4 Lascannons

World Eater allies/cad/don't know yet
Kharn, 1x10 Berzerkers (or counts-as CSM due to points), Daemon Prince of Khorne (or counts-as the 300 point Bloodthirster).

If I have enough points I might convert the spare rhino I'm not using into a vindicator or predator.

>>50516779

>AdMech Are A Bland Imitation Of Skaven edition

Where are people getting this from? Because they're both engineers?

Skaven's strength is hordes of infantry. AdMech are a fairly low model count army.

>>50518630
>>50518661
Jesus this is actually real? That's great, did not expect a 6+ fnp and siege spec, AND Tank hunters. Oblit troops almost sounds like a joke but i guess I'll try it out

Any idea what Black legion get? i ask for my friend he likes to field lots of terminators with Abbadon, Thanks.

>>50518447
I think he means the actual necron Decurion for which all others are nicknamed, you cog happy goofball

>>50518204
It's probably some kind of insult.

"He has a toilet, what a gay"

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>>50518749
Here's a writeup of everything the guy with the book leaked. Sorry about the english, don't think it's the dude's first language.

>>50518709
They're both races of savages wielding godlike weaponry they don't/barely understand.

Oh, plus they both have jezzails.

Can't you see the similarity?

obvious sarcasm

>>50518749
I know that feel. Been painting with renewed vigor. Finally I can use my 3 squads of havocs. Not as good as death guard, but we don't want to be WAAC do we?

>>50518749
Yeah your friend will be pleased. Black Legion can take VotLW for free just like everyone else now.

Legion Tactics:
1. Hatred(Everything!), hatred does not end after the first round vs. Imperials
2. Chosen AND TERMINATORS are Troops

Black Legion Speartip(decurion):
1. Army-wide Fear and Crusader for non-vehicle units
2. Deep Strikers roll for reserves starting Turn 1, Warlord automatically passes this roll

Black Legion Warband and Hounds of Abaddon are core, the chosen/terminAtors are part of command.

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>>50518384
Well I already have a flyrant from the SC box and I can get a tyrannocyte kit for a decent price. Plus I'm slow as fuck with finishing models so I'd be able to get them over time pretty smoothly.

I'm not great with modeling or kitbashing or whatever to make things that aren't spelled out for me. I have too little experience with this stuff to want to try it quite yet.

Also, I'm surprised those lists didn't seem so...swarmy? I was told to get the swarm kit at some point. Didn't know I could field a list full of big ones.

Also are there any decent playable formations I could use or are they all dated/not good?

>>50518538
>he just believes a 2+ cover save will help him, what a fucking moron!
this is you right now

>>50518496
i always went for the IWND relic personally, but thats just me

>>50518518
in my experience, whilst flying stuff is not immortal, it basically means a turn two assault, so unless you can deal with a target in one turn (doble,but tricky)the price can get into assult

>>50518798
They also both experiment with cybernetic replacements, monstrous biological mutilation/alterations, worship a god that no one is sure is real, and they both have jezzails.

>>50518804
>>50518803
Noice.

I need to build an autocannon Havoc squad then, it's always been a dream of mine

>>50518835
Swarm nids are shit. Like, undeniably, unambiguously shit. The big ones are also generally shit, but being in the air or existing for the purpose of being artillery while also being able to go across the map and grab objectives are enough to make them decent.

Tyranid formations are generally pretty bad. Skyblight was good but then it got nerfed to being mediocre. Living Artillery is probably your best bet but they're likely to be melted down by any kind of concentrated fire. If you do want swarms, Endless Swarm is usable but tends to be a point sink.

If you don't want to try kitbashing, I would go with forgeworld Meiotic Spores.

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>>50518903
Don't forget that they also both tend to wear robes, have other semi-catholic trappings, and they both have jezzails.

>>50518803
>>50518950

The decurion is stubborn w/ fearless on/in Fortifications

Also Frontline spoiled half of it today and the other half will probably be up tomorrow or early this week.

>>50518981
>>50518903
>>50518798
AND Both designed by Jes Goodwin because of his gas-mask/pavise gun fetish

>>50518950
It's awesome how useful Tank Hunters is. You can have mad anti-tank with a tiny amount of points thanks to how the IW rules work. Can totally see the legions hiring out their bitter brethren for some support when they need it.

>>50519023

Tank Hunters autocannons are really good, yeah. Squadron up your predators if you play loyalists.

>>50519006
Skitarii is pretty skaven-sounding too.

>>50518981

Also their fascination with deadly radiation.

>>50519030
I*s it worth splashing out on lascannons?
being effective ap1 sounds pretty cool

>rountree's leadership has caused GW to make more in this past half year than they did in the entire final year under kirby
Based rountree
http://investor.games-workshop.com/2016/12/01/trading-update-5/

>>50519066
I'm running both because of versatility. 4 lascannon hits at Bs4 with tank hunters will bust open most anything, but especially hardened targets or even a terminator squad in a pinch. 8 autocannon shots are more for light vehicles with the occasional MC. 115 for 5 havocs with 4 Autos, 155 for Las. Not expensive by any means considering their firepower.

>>50519161
>270 to be able to basically ignore your enemies tanks
thats pretty nice

>>50519091

Well, consider that AoS played a role in that, although his pushing of the General's Handbook probably helped keep the release from botching.

Also, the falling £ has played a role, as prices have become marginally less unreasonable for the rest of the world.

Not saying Roundtree isn't #based, but there are some significant factors at work that aren't his doing.

>>50519179
I wouldn't go as far to say "ignore" but you do have the potential to delete 2 tanks a turn, yes. With a few Oblits as your troops, you have some fantastic anti-tank that doubles as great fire support for whatever else you run.

I'm considering a fortification for mine, or at least an aegis defence line since they're a gunline.

>>50519066
Dear hated, iron 'brother',

Tank hunters lascannon squads are fantastic and you should use them always.

Now get in the damn cage.

Love,
Imperial Fists

>>50519258
Sarcasm? My iron Autism means I'm not sure.

I have 4 missile launchers - I guess they are better now too?

Give me ONE good reason not to paint my space marine allies Admech red, give them Iron Warriors cybernetic enhancements, make their pauldron symbol the Admech skull, and say that they're Admech space marines.

Keep in mind that the Steel Confessors are a thing in official GW lore.

Alpha legion has me hyped. How best do I abuse the "I am alpharius" rule?

>>50519305

Because the Sons of Medusa are already badass, have a neat color scheme and icon that's reminiscent of the mechanicus cog, and Iron Hands Chapter Tactics give them the same bionic FnP (6+) without being traitors.

>>50519305

The Steel Confessors only HELP the AdMech, they're not ACTUALLY the AdMech.

Also the idea of AdMech space marines is dumb as fuck and totally ignores the entire Adeptus concept.

Can someone share Fabius Bile: Primogenitor epub?.

>>50517912
>They need to cost like 50 points instead of fucking 100
Primes are 125 pts...

Something that I have been wondering for an upcoming match:

If I bring the Space Wolves Greatpack AND a squad of Custodes, then if I attach the Wolf Lord to the Custodes, does he grant them the formation-specific ability to Counter-Charge?

>>50519334
>The Steel Confessors only HELP the AdMech, they're not ACTUALLY the AdMech.

But they WERE, until the Inquisition shut that shit down.

Who's to say the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't have a second chapter that the Inqusition didn't find out about?

>>50519319

Take all the Characters you can. Cultist Squads with leaders, Character Dreadnoughts... Every Squad a Sergeant and every option that gets you a Character model outside your FO, if at all possible. Tarpit enemies and refuse challenges whenever you can to deny him the easy fight.

Now, keep in mind, this only denies your opponent the "KIll the Warlord" objective. It won't win you the game in any other way.

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>>50518964
>Swarm nids are shit. Like, undeniably, unambiguously shit.
Oh poo

>If you don't want to try kitbashing, I would go with forgeworld Meiotic Spores.
I will, thanks. I saw that they have TLDs for my flyrant as well that I really want.

>>50519366

Because presumably the Inquisition isn't dumb enough to let something they declared totally verboten once happen again without giving them another =][= pimpslap.

>>50519293
Not actually sarcastic. You can really get a nice killshot with tank hunters and ap2

But yeah, its all better. Missiles and autocannons great for glancing but you won't get that boom headshot.

Since you're a heretic and didn't practice your boltgun shooting like us, I wouldn't recommend heavy bolters. Autocannons seem super good though for shredding light armor and infantry/putting wounds on tough shit/ whatever though.

>>50517290
Every world eater army will be loaded with melta

>>50519240
I think anon is asking you to die because Ski tar ee eye is a mutation of an old Roman word that means gladiator or fighter. I'm with you, though, and I do hear the word "Skitter" in it.

>>50517526
All based on a completely shit codex

Chaos players have been given everything except for what they have been asking for all edition

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>>50519397
Alright alright how about this.

I take Grey Knights, or Spess Mahreens, or both.

I make them all cyborg'd out.

I paint them as Steel Confessors, but also use some Admech red for highlights/secondary color.

I say that they're the super elite branch of Steel Confessors who, while on paper loyal to the Imperium, are still totally loyal to Mars above all else.

I just want to run some allies without them being "allies" in fluff. I want any army I run to be a cohesive force all taking orders from the same leader. Not some hodgepodge of guys who just happen to show up at the same time.

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So are they just throwing the DAngles as chaos now or..

>>50517670
Yeah, 2 points a model is a very poor spend for the extra 1 s4 shot you will get before combat

Spend those points on more serious shooting

I missed it what changed for TS?

>>50519305
Because the High Lords have banned the AdMech from making AdMech marines. So have the Inquisition as well.

So the Steel Confessors are the only chapter that the AdMech are allowed to have, and even then, they had to swear an oath of loyalty to the IoM.

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>>50517301

>>50517765
Pistols should always fire full bs in overwatch

>>50519456
Fucking do it faggot, this is a game about YOUR guys, fuck whatever anybody else says is canon, non-canon, true or false, the whole point of this fucking hobby is about making your guys YOURS.

>>50519467
They've always been traitors, though.

>>50519456
Mate, tge Steel Confessors are totally loyal to the AdMech above all else.

They were 'gifted' a Forge World as their new homeworld when their first was destroyed.

>>50519472
1 S4 shot doesn't do diddly
8 S4 shots is a lotta diddly (+2 flamers or meltas once in pistol range)

>>50519456

Why not just give them some different helmets or something, and fluff it that they're experimental miniature Kastelans? Maybe even replace their squad sarges with Datasmith models.

>>50519467
CHARGE
YOUR
PHONE

>>50519467
>Implying DA's haven't always been Chaos.

>>50519508
>>50519485
Excellent points from both of you.

Steel confessors with some Admech red highlights (for aesthetic coherency) it is, then.

>>50519512
Shit nigga this is a pretty good idea, definitely gonna do this for the Grey Knights.

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>>50519477
pls help am newfag

>>50519555
Rubrics were slightly improved with formations and special rules.

Horrors got a colossal buff, a new daemon good for holding objectives and tarpitting was added, and they can now field a daemon primarch.

So basically Tzeentch daemons got a new codex with optional Thousand Sons.

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Is Cypher a time traveler?

I know they added some dumb time travel stuff to a DA novel where they caused the destruction of Caliban back in the 30's. Are all his pop up visits because he knows how to manipulate the dangles to the future he is from, and he has the power to appear and disappear through time? Does the phase knife have something to do with it?

>>50519477

Nothing. That's the problem.

Rubrics are the same price but can pay MORE for flamers or a 5/3 Rending gun

They got Terminators that start at 250 points

And their Legion tactic gives +1 Invul when blessed

All in all, they're total dog shit, especially when compared to the other legion tactics.

>>50519513
You know it's unhealthy for the battery to charge the phone too soon right?

>>50519482

>Mostly painted and finished imperial army
>plastic tau with 3 primed models and an unfinished tank

>>50519735
>primed model is a suit

Guess whose next buy is a riptide!

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>>50518709
I got it from the thread I was reading the other day.

>>50519690
Maybe he found a relic tardis and uses it to travel through time and space.

>>50518630
>Their decurion makes them stubborn and re-roll the scatter die for.. something

Barrage and Ordnance weapons, though I'm not sure what actually has that. They can take 1-3 fortifications in it though so maybe there's barrage on the forts.

>>50518312
>waacfag

Win at all costs Faggy absolute gaylord

>>50516779
How often do you guys get to play? And how often is the other guys army unpainted?

>>50519091
It's almost as if actually fucking communicating with your player base leads to better decisions.

Tom Kirby was a HACK! A TALENTLESS HACK!

>>50519866
I never get to play except by letting my 5 year old son take control of my second army, but god dammit both armies are always painted or they don't touch the table

>>50519866
I play close to weekly. Most of the armies at the local store are at least 3 colors aside from one guy that started his army earlier this year and my current GSC project army is still just primed right now...I should feel bad..but, I don't.

>>50519849
>a relic tardis
Luther does call him the one who is many...

Since Thousand Sons are dog shit, I'm having trouble picking what legion to go with now.

Nightlords for the Raptors and being Batman, Alpha Legion for the sneaky infiltrating and cultists, or black legion for the fuck you T1 deep strike assaults from null deployment.

As much fun as the deep strike from alpha legion would be, I'm not a fan of black legion, and I'm using HH Marines and the paint wouldn't be good for switching to 30k.

That leaves Nightlords and Alpha. I'm a sucker for jump units, which makes the night lords exceptionally attractive because of the raptor troops. Plus, I could use all those lightning claws the HH boxes come littered with.

Alpha legion would let me use half of a DV box very easily due to the chosen and cultists.

I'm actually learning towards Night Lords, but I'm still unsure because Alpha has some fun stuff.

>>50519866
Probably once or twice a week - more when I'm on holidays (like now)

Gonna buy some Chaos shite to make into a DG detachment - I just need another maulerfiend, a warpsmith, and a bike squad.

>>50516828
Did anyone post a PDF or EPub?

>>50519941

Admit it you always wanted to play nightlords you edgy wanna be murder batman. Don't fuck up the paint job.

>>50519854
Evil aquila strongpoint with vortex missiles?

>>50519941
Duncan did a how to paint nightlords and how to paint lightning. You have no excuse to not paint them stunningly

>>50519988

I probably did, though the edge does hurt.

It's a shame I have all this red paint.

>>50519043

PRESS-PRESS THE ACTIVATION RUNE, SNEAK-SKITARII!

>>50519988
Duncan covered it. Theres no excuse now.

There even all those extra sick looking FW nightlord stuffs.

>>50519509
Once in pistol range use the pistols

Right now you are spending 2 points per model for 1 s4 shot between 24 and 12 inches

You should really be running at that point to make combat

Can you play games when your opponent has a newer codex than you? Like can you have a 5E and your opponent a 7E

>>50520023
>>50520033

Guess I my choice really has been made then.

Also, the FW stuff is nice, but that's a slipper slope my wallet can't afford.

>>50519996
Aquilla is Apocalypse blast isn't it? Does that count? Fortress of redemption with crack storm missiles would count as that is barrage and is large enough to park all 3 of your havoc squads on.

>>50519866
I've never actually played. No Warhammer in my area.

Thinking about starting up a DAngles army though. Maybe some 30k IW.

Is a 10man tac squad with Plasma gun, plasma cannon, and plasma pistol on the sergeant with a power sword legal? Thinking of getting BaC to use the tac squads in there and a set of FW plasma cannons to go with them for Dark Angels, and the Chaplain as an Interrogator Chaplain with a plasma pistol, and use the Terminators as Iron Warriors.

Is that fluffy/unfluffy for them to have all that? I don't know much about Dark Angels other than their fluff and that Interrogator Chaplains are stronger versions of regular Chaplains.

>>50520070
Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Crazy that chaos doesn't have any barrage options!

>>50520032
DIE-DIE CHAOS THINGS! FOR THE EMP-RISIAH, YES-YES

>>50519715
>3%
>too soon

Who spoke in defense of Psykers at Nikaea, I can't recall

>>50519866
bi weekly, the one dude never paints his armies and has a new one almost every other time we play, the other dude has his entire ork army painted. Majority of my stuff is painted/in progress.

>>50520080
completely fine anon. its what comes in the Dark Vengeance box set

>>50517761
>CSM get another supplement
>like WB a lot
>keep up on their rules/fluff even though I play Orks
>think WB get fluffy and "decent" but not OP rules
>other legions range from "Decurion tier" to "for fluff and fun"
>...
>CSM are platinum mad (especially TS)

You have boat with a hole in it that was repaired by duct tape and you complain because you don't have a yacht when there are others bailing out damp cardboard boxes.

>All is Dust
>More like "All is Salt"

>>50520080
>>50520112
And yes, extremely fluffy for DA considering they are the first legion and got all the best tech/more quantities of it i.e. termie armour and plas weps

>>50520089
Forgeworld gives them Achilles land raiders if you are willing to pay 70quid / convert your own and people are sporting enough to let you insert it into a tank formation in place of a land raider.

>>50520106
Magnus

>>50520119

What's funny is that as son as I stopped trying to convince myself that thousand sons were still playable, things became better.

>>50520080
Dark Angels have a preference for plasma weaponry, so that's actually a fluffy way to run them.

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>>50520033

Speaking of Duncan, his very first miniature with the typical THIN YOUR PAINTS paintjob is adorable.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/14/my-first-model-part-1-our-own-duncan-rhodes/

>>50520106
White Scars for one

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>>50520119
Join us! Lorgar's legion would be perfect for a salty bitter ork player. You could roleplay them perfectly.

>>50520028
We smell our own. Goodluck!

>>50518842
But he's right.
2+ saves are shit, 2+ cover saves are shit, both can easily be ignored with ap2/ignores cover.

The only thing that matters is a good invulnerable save, only space marines can reduce those.

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>>50520218
FW make art that looks cool and GW makes this shit... I can't get over this

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Refunded the fuck out of the Tsons I got. Hopefully theyll be good in 30k.

Meanwhile, Ive got some Noise Marines to put together

>>50520134
Oh yeah, the quad mortar.

I really wish fw would write its stuff into the detachments. Id love to take a leviathan or achilles with my imperial fists sternhammer and I'm sure my traitor counterparts would like decimators and quad mortars...

Could I see some examples of you guys making lists with the new legion rules? Im interested to see what you guys have made and im a bit lost on how to make a list with these new rules.

When were Librarians allowed back into the ranks of Space Marines after Nikea banned them?

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>>50520295

>>50520295
Dark Angels under Lion brought them back shortly afterwards to fight some daemons, no clue about the other legions.

>>50520267
jesus this is fucking bad

And codexes come woth pages and pages of this shit. Its literally page-filler

>>50520182
yep its been posted in nearly ever general and wip thread since that article was posted

>>50520351
Why would the emperor, a psyker, forbid psykers?

>>50520272
There are no bad legions in 30k, even the DA who have the worst legion tactics make up for it in awesome Rites of War and equipment.

>>50520112
>>50520131
>>50520172
Oh, sweet!

I was thinking of maybe doing a successor chapter, and both the Angels of Absolution and the Consecrators look cool. I'm thinking of going with the Consecrators right now, though. Their fluff of them having tons of relics and no MkVII+ is kinda cool and fits with Betrayal at Calth's contents.

Regarding the Consecrators, I've seen on both 1d4chan and 40kwikia that their 1st Company Terminators are black but with white helmets to signify their relation with the Dark Angels Deathwing. Can someone tell me where this bit if fluff is?

>>50520411
I dont know man, RG are pretty meh

>>50520400
A temporary restriction of the warp borders to avoid warp isis from corrupting shit. Unfortunately they already got horus and magnus didn't listen so he broke the webway.

>>50520400
Original fluff had it so that he only banned Sorcery and not Psykers.

>>50519958
>https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI
Bottom of the list

>>50519715
Bullshit urban legend. It's actually better for battery life to recharge around 50%. Running your battery all the way down is the thing that's bad for it.

>>50520400

As the most powerful psyker, the Emperor knows best how dangerous the Warp is, and what might happen to lesser psykers.

He also knows the current level of psykers is dangerously unstable, and one of his goals is evolving mankind into a perfect psyker race.

He specifically built the marines as non-psychic soldiers. Note that psykers are not the norm for marines. So technically, the Emperor expected to be able to do his job without needing psykers. When powerful psykers like Malcador happened to appear and were strong enough to both be useful and not explode into daemons, then sure, the Emperor will use them, but if banning psykers is more helpful to mankind because psykers keep exploding, then he will ban psykers.

>>50520264
It's almost as if systems which allow players to completely ignore a type of save causes players to gravitate towards stability, which only further imbalances the original system when rule-makers fail to see where they fucked up, and instead add more power creep to an already imbalanced ruleset.

>>50520218
Point,
I mean I'm bitter in more of a
"do you guys not see the TRUTH of the situation?" way
not
"Boy, I'm BITTER about THOSE YELLOW FUCKS having functional siege equipment!"
or
"Sure would be nice to have BENEFICIAL MUTATIONS when exposed to the WARP for a CHANGE!".

Also it'd be nice to have a psychic phase with options as WB.

>>50520264

Space marine psykers aren't going to waste time reducing invulnerable saves. There's way more OP psychic powers available to abuse.

>>50520433
Why? They arent bad and have plenty of valid ways to build an army, you may not think they are broken good but you can definitely have a very strong army with them as they have easy access to infiltrate, stealth, drop pods and reserve manipulation.

>>50520584

He probably just doesn't like that all their tools are power armor and melee based. RG are pretty strong in 30k in a glass cannon kind of way.

>>50520518
All this talk about op space marine psyker stuff is mythical to me. I regularly play against tzeentch daemons and there aint no psyking allowed.

>>50520452

And those are distinct in 40k. Sorcery is more ritual. A non-psyker can be a sorcerer. But the most powerful sorcerers are usually psykers.

>>50520615

Yeah, but even without experiencing it, your subconscious screams out for you to deny their shit if you know what's good for you. Ever go a few turns without disrupting their spells? I bet you haven't, because why would you. There are some psykers that are so laughable it's not even worth trying to dispell them.

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>>50520267
Those are color scheme schematics, not "artwork". They are the equivalent of pages like this in old books.

>>50520615
>add psychic phase to the game
>make an army capable of denying the entire phase

Great design, GW. It's like the assault phase all over again.

>>50520646
Is that an excuse for GW to have shit quality? They used to be better.

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>>50516779
>open /tg/ catalog
>see Rose of Versailles
>get irrationally excited
>oh it's 40k

>>50520635
I think you misunderstand. Im the dirty space marine.
>>50520667
Being significantly weaker in the phase is fine. It would be nice to actually be able to use powers though, right? I had a librarian against a nurgle sorceror once though, that was fun stuff. WIZARD DUEEEELS.

I haven't used my grey knights since their daemonhunters book. I can't imagine how garbage trash awful they'd get shut out against tzeentch fest 2016.

>>50520262

Thanks. Considering that /all/ my Marines consist solely of one of each HH box, I think in should probably grab some raptors.

>>50520646
Excuses. There's no need for color scheme schematics since the books already have a sizable section of the same in photos. On top of that, FW does the same and their pics look great because there's effort put in them

I know that chaos is getting its new toys but I'm coming back after a few years absence, how are the Dark Angels compared to the rest of the marines?

>>50520833

Plasma bikes

>>50520823
You still compared actual art, to an intentionally reduced scheme pic.

>>50520833
They are the worst loyalist marines besides black templars but they are better than they once were due to grav. Why can't green wing take centurions? Is it because they have so many teriminator suits (despite being unable to take cataphractii armour...) That they dont need them?

>>50518218
Gunship is more versatile because Hover, and in Death From the Skies the Interceptor has -1 BS.

Inty looks cooler, though.

>>50520864
>They are the worst loyalist marines besides black templars but they are better than they once were due to grav
They're not Bangles, Space wolves, deathwatch or grey knights. Dangles are the second best loyalist codex. Don't be such a bitch, you sound like a CSM player. but I guess acting like a traitor is to be expected from the Dark angles

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>>50520863
And the old version of the intentionally reduced scheme pic was much better then what GW is doing now.

We get it, you like shit, but admit its fucking shit.

>>50520833
They have a Decurion that gives them BS 2 overwatch plus some other shit.

Bikes still good
Termis still so-so but they've got the best ones
Miss out on some Vanilla units
Gain other unique units

DA are better than BA and Wolves (unless they spam wulfen) but worse than Vanilla.

So somewhere around the middle really?

>>50520218
Where the fuck is this Chaos Space Marine GW? Fuck the rules, they're trash, have always been trash and will always be trash, I dont want a new codex, I want new goddamned KITS. FUCK!

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"Draw Sanguinius and Horus re-enacting a scene from Mean Girls".

Completed with pleasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_dCc-9pEPM&feature=youtu.be&t=404

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>>50520931
Yes and no. You'd also get stuff like this.

>>50520931
>We get it, you like shit
No I do not, you're just making inapt comparisons followed by apt ones.

Sorry for being retarded guys, new to this game. I have the mini book of The Rules and am trying to find the Special Weapons List mentioned as an option for this bike squad I want. Where do I find the Special Weapons List?

>>50521070
In the codex, not the rules. Check the index.

>>50520971
Way better than the modern versions

First of all, while it's the same base pose, sure each guardsman had unique details and shit.

>>50520267

If this SW book is anything like the KDK book i own with this same lazy modern color-schemes then they just copy-paste this exact same marine and terminator on each page and edit the colours slightly.

That is shit. those guard sketches have actual effort and personality. not to mention fit onto one page so GW can't go full jew and pretend a book has more content than it really does

>>50521109
>Way better
Dubious claim.
>Effort>utility
Fair enough, but not how I see it in this case.

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Are there any models that have performed so well you reward them with a new paintjob or a new base or something?
There's this power sword sergeant who keeps kicking ass in my games so he's going to be given permanent veteran status once I repaint his helmet. Today he killed a primaris psyker that had prescience and force activated in a challenge. Last game he was stabbing ravenwing bikes to death left and right.

>>50521102
I have the Blood Angels Codex and it makes no mentions of Special Weapons. Closest I can find is Special Issue War Gear.

>>50520425
Anyone know about the Consecrators Deathwing bit? I'm a lore/fluff autist and I really want to know. For Company markings I'd use the Dark Angels ones in Red instead of Green.

>>50520935

BS4 with the double Decurion

>>50521164
Page 51, you may want to get better at skimming if you want to learn 40k, just saying.

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>>50521164
>>50521274
On second thought here:

>>50520295
Varies
Mostly whenever they encountered daemons
Lion after daemons on ship
Guilliman at some point when founding imperium secundus - note it's weird timing as we have Rubio shunned for breaking the ban yet somehow Garro got through the ruinstorm
Corax used them as well but I think that was meant to be shown in a middle novel and they forced him to close the ravenguard story early so we get him banning them again but sending his chief librarian to Terra to ask
Sanguine during the signus cluster and obv once in imperium 2
Salamnders seem to have followed imperium 2
Khan and Russ just ignored it

>>50521274
Thank you, and fair said. I've just been looking for this for nearly an hour,

>>50520023

I think these two 1 min videos changed my life

>>50521156
Yarrick for me, but he's already got my best effort of a paint job on him. He's just so fun and silly and every game he does something either great or he just won't die.

In the past two friendly test games I've been taking Yarrick plus Karamazov and together they make for some silliness. Targeting Yarrick with the orbital strikes while he's surrounded in combat has some potential for fun. In the first game, he face tanked a few Str 10 Ap1 blasts to kill a Land Raider. Then in the second game, him and his squad were surrounded by Genestealers. I dropped the D3 pie plate killing the whole squad of Genestealers and killing everyone left in my unit, including Yarrick. Next turn he got back up ready to face tank more orbital strikes.

>>50516779
Ok i've been out of 40k i've told myself 2 years ago i would no longer play 40k till CSM become competetive.

So i ask you /tg/ are thousand sons now competetive with this new book??

>>50520646

The 5E and 6E codex had color schematics that looked way better than the modern ones because they were hand drawn. These computer ones don't even have shading.

>>50520106
It was more about psykers in the legions
It was a shit recon by Merrett in the first place made worse by the novel
Then they made it even worse by a short story where malcador revealed to mortarion - when he was brought back to by the emperor on Terra - that Nikea was planned all along
The index astartes in white dwarf saying ban sorcery only was much better
And in addition we now have no fucking reason for librarians to wear blue L

>>50521355

They are better, but they aren't anywhere close to being Eldar tier, unless you do some kind of cheesy psyker list with 2++ re-rolls, or bring Magnus.

>>50521355

CSM were always competitive. You just played them as a tax for Belakor and sorcs and daemon allies and a superheavy.

Thousand Sons now have Magnus to do the same thing.

Codex: One unit plus taxes

>>50521355
>thousand sons
Not the Rubrics themselves, and not top tier, but they are a lot better and Magnus is good.

>>50521375
>because they were hand drawn
They were hand drawn and better, you can definitely do that on computer they just chose not to.

>>50521385
>cheesy psyker list
More like daemons, but yeah cheese.

>>50521220
The Consecrators' elite 1st Company all wear revered suits of ancient Terminator Armour, black-clad as the rest of their battle-brothers save for helms of off-white that symbolised their brotherhood with the Deathwing.

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How painted is your army thread?
And no Tau players primed models don't count as painted

excited about the new chaos book but, does anyone else fucking hate painting them or anything else marine related?

Just started a small ork army and I can paint ork boys for days and enjoy it.

The idea of painting more chaos marines for the new book makes me cringe.

>>50521444
Well, yeah, I know that's a thing, but I don't know where that's from? Is it from the RPG or a book, I wonder?

Also, what color(s?) would you say the off-white would be when painting them? Ceramite White?

>>50521466

I only play painted models, but my army is fucking tiny. I'm pretty sure those two are related.

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>>50521466
The only thing in my army not pointed is this, because I just printed it and found a higher res printer on campus.

>>50521444

Consecrators really seem like the official posterboy successor of the DA. They have all these homages to them like the original DA color scheme, collecting relics, RT red stripes, DW homage, etc.

Just like Novamarines, BT/CF, and Flesh Tearers are the posterboy successors.

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>>50521466

Mostly painted.

>>50521493
>that disgusting quality

I wouldn't use it, but good on you for being resourceful, especially by using someone else's printer too so you don't have to buy an expensive one.

>>50521493
Nurgletaunesh?

>>50521493

What happened to that thing? Did its cadre make the mistake of landing on a daemon world?

>>50521466
Just striped a bunch of stuff so around 40% maybe.

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>>50521511
>that disgusting quality
It's not fully cleaned of supports, hence the flaky shit, and it's from a DoW2 rip so it'll only be so good until I can get better stl.s.
Better printer should help line clarity.

Also less blurry pic.

>>50520925
Actually i am chaos player. Well spotted!

>>50521531
Still working on getting TT quality out of the printers, but 5 cents a broadside mean I have a lot of attempts.

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>>50521493
>3.5megs
>4032x3024
>sideways
>holding the model

>>50521504

I am so sorry anon, one day.

Speaking of belakor new iron warriors can't take marked units but belakor would still be ok right? I bought an iron warriors prince and I want to use him

>>50521580
Wasn't planning on sharing, was just a quick phone pic to show a friend. (models aren't dormside)

>>50521591

I know. I did get more paint, and have two more done in red, though.

>>50521466
I have 20 Cadians painted like basic bitch green and brown Cadians as well as 3 Chimeras that are painted the same.

But I've been inspired to do my own scheme, so all future models will be changed. I just don't have the energy to redo all the stuff that's already painted, even if it doesn't look great. I can just pretend they are auxiliary units until I can strip and repaint. It's much less daunting for me to feel like I already have some sense of progress.

>>50517433
Honestly, word bearers stuff isn't weak, but it is potentially quite boring.

What you listed is pretty weak in of itself, it's only strong because you get D3 victory points any time you summon daemons IIRC.

This will either go one of two ways.

Either your opponent will have to immediately go for your HQ's in order to stop you raking in tonnes of free VP's and winning OR it'll just be like moving the goalposts and be horrible to play against.

>>50521640
>tfw I like the green and brown
it reminds me of GI Joe

>>50520864
>>they don't have centurions so theyre shiiiiiiit
Ravenwing strong, greenwing is fine, deathwing shouldn't be used on their own but could be worse as far as terminators go.

If you don't show some pride the company master is gonna make you turn over your robe and plasmagun.

>>50521156
Show him to me.

>>50521673
I like it too, that's why I originally did it. It's just kinda plain considering everyone at the store I'm going to be playing at has a very similar paint scheme, just done better than me. I want my Guard to pop on the battlefield, especially because i'm planning on fielding some silly allies and units.

Also when did they get rid of the Kasrkin models?

>>50521466
Nearly all of it but damn is it hard to work up the interest to paint cultists since they disappear once anyone shoots them

New chaos stuff looks fun and I want to try it all, too bad my guys are Black Legion though

>>50521701
>Also when did they get rid of the Kasrkin models?
no fucking clue
I'm glad I got a box when I was younger, they should remake them in plastic

>>50521720
Same. I have them set up to be my shotgun vets with carapace armor. I just don't have any special weapons anymore, so I'll have to do some conversions of normal guardsmen.

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>>50516779
>tfw I stop making threads for a week and now this is the OP picture.

Rip.

>>50521640
What scheme are your new units gonna be? I love hearing other players' custom paint schemes - makes the hobby more fun.

>>50521744
Hey, I've been covering for you as much as possible.
Take a look back at some of the other threads and you'll see some normal op pictures

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I was looking forward to buying an Admech Battleforce if I could find it at the usual 20%-25% discount, turns out GW is keeping all of them for themselves aside from very limited supply to force them to only be available at full retail.

Fucking GW

>>50521594

Daemons don't have marks, they have the daemon of X rule, so should be golden.

>>50521747
Yellow armor and black outfits. Vehicles and possibly other things will have those yellow and black hazard type lines. Like Iron Warriors.

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First attempt at dusting of my CSM

# Death Guard - 40k

## Decurion Rules Bonuses

* Disgustingly Resilient: re-roll FnP rolls of 1
* Cloud of Flies: ranged hits more than 18” away give you stealth rule for resolving attack

## Death Guard Bonuses

* Gift of Nurgle: VotLW gain fearless & FnP but -1 initiative
* Inexorable Advance: VotLW get relentless
* Lords of Plague Host: Plague Marines are troops

## Army List

> 1848 pts / 1850 pts

## Core (1812pts)
### Chaos Warband (1812pts)

Chaos Lord
> Bike, Blight grenades, MoN, Power Armour, Sigil, Plaguebringer, VotLW, Warlord
> Plaguebringer: AP3 poison 4+ deamon weapon

#### Chaos Bikers
6x Chaos Bikers
> MoN, 2x Plasma Gun, VotLW

#### CSM

10x CSM
> Chaos Rhino, MoN, 2x Plasma Gun, VotLW

10x CSM
> Chaos Rhino, MoN, 2x Plasma Gun, VotLW

10x CSM
> Chaos Rhino, MoN, 2x Melta Gun, VotLW

5x CSM
> MoN, Meltagun, VotLW

5x CSM
> MoN, Meltagun, Combi-Melta, VotLW

#### Chaos Terminators
> 3x Combi-Melta, 3x Power Mauls, MoN

#### Havocs

5x Havocs
> 4x Autocannon, MoN

5x Havocs
> 4x Autocannon, MoN

5x Havocs
> 4x Autocannon, MoN

### Auxiliary (36pts)

Chaos Spawn
> MoN