Warhammer 40,000 general

>>50512443
Wrath of Magnus epub when?

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>>50512466
Chaos shit, no one cares.

Imperial Agents when?

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First post for share your army pics lads!!!

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>>50512480

>>50512477
Probably 3 weeks. Traitor Legions preorder now, nothing, Imperial Agents preoders and Imperial Agents.

Are there any cool kits that would be good bits for Tzeentch Possessed?

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>>50512443

>Don't get me wrong guys, I absolutely love Thousand Sons, I'm the biggest TS fan in the world and I play them for the fluff and Tzeentch is my favourite Chaos god ever but their new Legion rules kind of suck compared to the others. I'm thinking of selling my TS collection and buying Death Guard instead.

>>50512490
Nah, next saturday is pre order.

>>50512477
>>50512490
Imperial Agents preorders are the 10th release is the 17th.

>>50512495
?
I don't get who your rp'ing, who is that?

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Reposting link to Traitor Legions, spoilers:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2820/705017.page#9054950

>>50512516
>who is that?

Thousand Sons fans since the Legion leak.

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>>50512480
>mfw army has been in post for months now due to moving halfway around the world and I just want to paint something

>>50512541
Oh,
I'd never sell my Sons
I do plan on Havocs with Heavy Bolters if the leaks are true though, that's just too much fun

Someone mind math-hammering out the number of dice you need to succeed a WC 3 spell when harnessing on 3+? How likely to perils are you?

I'm trying to figure out how efficient my Word Bears are gonna be at summoning.

>>50512553
Why? TS havocs? Have I missed something?

>>50512541

I am still going to run my TS. Of course that will literally be just Magnus, Tzanagors and horrors.

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Word Bearers are now Worst Bearers.

>>50512567
>He doesn't understand basic math

>>50512499
>>50512507
Was this confirmed? Nice!

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Raider Spam or venom spam? or healthy mix of both

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>>50512577

>'I'm running Thousand Sons'
>Don't actually have any Thousand Sons

>>50512567
3+ roll has 66% chance to succeed.

So 5 dice will be 333% chance. And even without any math you can say thats almost guaranteed doubles and perils.

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>>50512582

Enjoy your possessed troops

>>50512596
VENOM
E
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O
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>>50512606

>>50512606
>That's so "chaos space marine army with one chaos space marine"

>>50512628

yeah but raiders just got that rule buff with the Jinking

>>50512591
Yes, in the December White Dwarf.

>>50512634
that works with all transports that can jink.

>>50512647

I thought venoms couldnt take splinter racks though

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>>50512621

I was going to buy a Worst Bearers army; now I won't.

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Maybe it would be easier to get into assault if someone didn't have BIG MEATY CLAWS

>>50512696
venoms dont get splinter racks for the twinlinked, however they get the option for 2 splinter cannons, which more than makes up for it

>>50512647
Except raiders do it at 3+ with night shields and hold more dudes not to mention splinter racks. You gotta put more points into it but you get more out of it.

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>>50512720

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>50512546
Stay strong anon. Stay strong.

>>50512507
>>50512499
>>50512490
Any solid rumors or leaks?

Part of me fears a nerf for the single SoB unit. Since well GW

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>>50512747
I have regrets.

>>50512760
None at all really. 8 out of 9 factions involved spoiled. No idea whats 9th.

I'm boring and bet on Scions.

>>50512781
What are the known factions?

>>50512787
Inquisition, Assassins, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Custodes. The rest no clue.

>>50512798
Astropaths were mentioned too weren't they?

>>50512810

Yes.

>>50512528
If the Blood Mad! rule effects Bikers then I can easily see turn one charges with a lord carrying the Talisman of Burning Blood in a unit of Raptors or bikers. Thats pretty hype right there.

Also, lore wise, wasn't Gorefather destroyed with only GoreChild being salvaged? How do we have access to it again?

>>50512810
So much psyker and anti-psyker...

Well 8th is going to get a huge psyker nerf then. This is GW, make one type of model over power. Sales go up! Make those model crap for next edition!

>>50512857
someone probably dug it up and repaired it or due to khorne's influence it's become a daemon weapon of sorts

>>50512857
>Gorefather
Demonic corn magicks

>>50512798
>>50512810
>>50512833
So do we have any reason to believe they are actually adding new content to these, or is it more likely it's just going to be the existing stuff in one hardback book?

Am I the only one who really wants a to have a rogue trader supplement?

>>50512746

are night shields really worth it? Do a lot of units have ignore cover weapons?

So I'm new to 40k tabletop, though I've been invested in the setting for some time and I figured now is the time to start an army. I settled for the Dark Angels mainly becasue I like their aestethic and if I run a deathwing army I don't need to paint mass ranks of models.

But I'm a bit confused. What's with all this formation stuff ? Does it modify the force org chart ? I aim for a force of terminators as core, supported by land raiders and dreads, but that doesn't seem possible.

>>50512919
If not Scion or Arbiters, maybe RT.

I already run a Forces of the Imperium army so any new Imperial shit is fine for me. My only restriction is no Marines. Fuck those mutant un human fuckers.

T3 is where pure and superior humans exist.

>>50512935
Hey guy, go read the fucking rule book before asking to be spoon fed.

Thanks.

>>50512935
The rulebook explains formations, and your codex contains them for your army.

Coming back from a long absence, I happened to finally look at the new dark eldar codex. --- What happened?

Are DE even playable now?

>>50512919
I'll take that over having to buy mostly unrelated sourcebooks and print outs.

>>50512935
The old "Force Org Chart" is one type of detachment, the "Combined Arms Detachment". An army is composed of one or more detachments built according to their requirements. That can be a CAD, or it can be something else.

>>50513004

low mid tier, they just changed the Jinking rules so passengers dont snap shot on JINKS

>>50513021

Appreciate it, anon

>>50512596

Venoms are great, no denying that. 65 points for 12 poisoned bs4 shots just cant go wrong. You don't even need to transport shit in it to be good. But personally I enjoy a healthy mix of both. I use the Dark Lance option on my raiders, and every once in a while you get lucky with that son of a bitch (last I remember I took down a Stormraven with a small elite unit and a dreadnought. Wont happen every day, but as I said, every once in a while.

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>Came up with a cool backstory and core planet of my Necrons
>Don't know if paint scheme is tacky or not

Is there such a thing as female Commissars?

I'm hoping for 8th Edition Guard. But at the same time I'm terrified that 8E will somehow ruin the guard. Like,
>No tank commanders
or
>Limited vehicle options
or worst of all
>Remove different AV/Toughness values for different armor facings.

I do not want my tanks to be boxy infantry, dammit! I want them to be tanks! With vulnerable sides and tough sides and a need for careful positioning and infantry screens.

>>50512935
Ok, you got formations, detachments, and unbound.

A Detachment requires a certain number of a certain type of unit, like "1 HQ and 2 Troops". The Codex tells you what each unit type is so don't worry. In addition to the minimum requirements, you have maximum requirements. So you can't take a formation with, say, 20 tanks, 2 infantry squads, and a commander. Because the limit is only 3 tank units or sumsuch. Finally, the detachment will give you bonuses when you meet their requirements.

The default formation is the Combined Arms Detachment. It has a minimum of 1 HQ and 2 Troops. It can hold a maximum of 2 HQs, 6 troops, 3 elites, 3 Fast attack, and 3 heavy support units. Its benefits are "reroll warlord trait" and "All troops can secure objectives even if an enemy unit is contesting it"

Formations are Detachments but stricter. Now you must take certain units and give them certain gear. So whereas a detachment has 3 heavy support slots in which you can take artillery, a tank, or a gunship, in a formation it says "You must take 3 tanks, and one of them must be a tank commander". No gunships or artillery for you! Otherwise, they are the same as a detachment. Example:
>Emperor's Fist Armored Company
Must take 1 leman russ tank commander
Must take 3 leman russ tank squadrons
Must take 1 or at most 2 techpriests
>Bonus:
All tanks near the commander have a better shooting skill
All tanks near the techpriest reroll damage
If one or more tanks ram an enemy they take -1 leadership.

Unbound is where you ignore all that shit and just take what you want.

>>50513117
Yes

>>50513115
Post it

>>50512546
Where are you located?

I had a two-month wait once and it turned out they thought I had received it. Got it within a week after I told them I hadn't.

Still haven't painted it though. :^)

So, how is it that Dark Angels have jetbikes but not Stormravens?

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>>50513154
I only came up with it today at work, since i prefer to get fluff of my armies sorted before anything else.
Was thinking
>Copper/Screaming Bell metal
>Red armour
>Yellow Gauss
>Crimson trinkets/Regalia

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>>50513117
Yes. There is even this old official model.

>>50513188
Needs a bit more contrast. The yellow helps, at least.

>>50513188
Unique is good even if tackey

Any leaks for the new Battleforces, specifically the Eradication Cohort?

>>50513205
I'll have to root around for any spare models and give it a go tomorrow
What colour would you recommend to add in to that group?

>>50513142
>>50513195
Neat, thanks. I was going to have two Commies in my army and I really didn't want two of the same model.

So are blasters better to take over Dark Lances for DE?

>>50513230
Is it a vehicle? Dark Lances
For all else, Blaster

Haywire is pretty good too if your AT is covered

>>50512935
>supported by land raiders and dreads
Yeah, I don't believe there's a way to do pure Mechanized Deathwing currently without going Unbound.

>>50513117
https://wargameexclusive.com/product-category/imperial-soldiers/

http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/types?q=Iron%20Empire%20%28IE%29

Those are just the two that come to mind. Never bought from either, though.

>>50513188
>Yellow Gauss

Call me skeptical but I don't think this will work.
You'd have to gloss it, and probably painting it to look like it's glowing or varied in hue as if it's liquid would be hell.

Do you have an airbrush?

>>50513226
Leaks?
They're up for pre-order y'dingus.

>>50513241
>Is it a vehicle? Dark Lances
What vehicles can take blasters? Anyway, dark lances are better on ravagers, but for raiders you're paying 5 points for a gun you'll probably be snapshooting. Might as well stick with the disintegrator cannon.

>>50513271
>Do you have an airbrush?
I will be investing in one within the next month - i do have a love of the classic green though

>>50513271
Yeah that's what I was looking at too. I think they look great but

>european

Could be a clusterfuck.

>>50513277
Yeah but their rules havent been leaked out at all.

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A quick skim of the FAQ and google hasn't helped so I'll ask here:
If the Defiler replaces its autocannon with another power fist, does it get an extra +1 attack? Given that it already has two power fists, bumping its base 3 attacks to 4 in close combat, would the extra power fist just be for redundancy if a limb gets blown off, or would it boost the defiler to five attacks?

I'm tempted by the Deathwatch watchblade taskforce but to convert them into "fancy" marines and sternguard veterans and was wondering if any of you guys had any idea/experience if it's a good idea.

>>50513281

One trick I heard about, just to make those green staves pop just a little bit more than usual; Paint the tips you glue in white paint. This will enhance the natural light that will hit the otherwise dark model (regular necrons painted in dark metal), and look much more... well "glowy". Easy and no need for an airbrush to make over the top OSL, embarrassing yourself when posting "finished" (metal and osl all sprayed with airbrush) cron models on wip only to get yelled at.

>>50513334
A quick skim of the rulebook might tell you that yes, you get another attack.

>>50513351
You'd have to file off all the Inquisitorial symbols and get new shoulderpads. It might be worth it though.

>>50513334
walkers gain extra attacks for all of their extra CCWs not just one like infantry. So yes.

>>50513334
Every CCW after the first one on a walker gives you +1 attack. So you can get up to 3+3 attacks on the defiler.

>>50513356
That's actually a really cool trick
I'll have to give the scheme, sans airbrushing the yellow, a go tomorrow and see how it looks

>>50513334

>Only in a game such as 40k, the players demand FaQ on regular shit already on black and white straight in the rule book.

Page 91 my uneducated friend.

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>>50512495
>Leaving your God because of Rules

You bring shame to CSM players.

We followed our Gods through years of lame rules, neglects and hands down inequity toward us, because we love our armies.

And you leave yours because the one time, the single one time we have been waiting for so long, we got cool stuff, it isn't cool enough for you?
Go play Tau.
You disgust me.

>I'm the biggest TS fan in the world
Liar

WoM is up

>>50513286
>european
>Could be a clusterfuck.

GW is English though. :p

As a Europoor I can say that there's enough regulations and the like that a company can't just go and do shitty things like that. IIRC the company's French, so they're not affected with that lingering negative reputation that hits the likes of Romania further to the east of the Iron Curtain. It might cost a bit in shipping though.

The other company "Wargame Exclusive" I am leery of, however.

>>50513351
I'd have to say it's not a great idea.
Besides the prevalence of Inquisition symbols over the armour, the armour is all Mark 8 with the neck brace thing. I think the Sternguard kits are better, though if you are on a budget, you could get some Sternguard/Vanguard bits (the chest above all), and make them look less "Inquisition" and more "Space Marine". It's hard to tell what you mean by "fancy" marines though; if you like the aesthetic, go for it, though I'd find filing off the Inquisitorial symbols too much of a chore for it to be worth it.

>>50513436
Where?

>>50513436
Oh yeah!

>>50513436
Where, WHERE ?! Tell me ! The local GW store was sold out on all versions of WoM before I got there, was barely in time to snatch up the last Ahriman they had.

>Feeling a heavy dislike for all the fresh bandwagoning TS players right now, being an pure TS son player. Why is this happening to me ?

So according the rules I have the Dark Fury Assault squad has all lightning claws while the Chooser of the Slain (Sergeant) has the Raven's Talons, according to 1d4chan tactics they all have Raven's Talons.

Do I have outdated rules (completely possible) or did the writer of that particular paragraph fucking derp out hard?

>>50513436
Thank you Anon!

I'm trying to figure out which Marine 'dex to use for my Irish Celt-marines. I'm thinking Blood Angels successor maybe? Gabriel Seth would make a good counts-as Chapter Master with Not-Gae Bulg I think. That said, Gae Bulg does almost sound like it'd be a force weapon.
It entered a man's body with a single wound, like a javelin, then opened into thirty barbs. Only by cutting away the flesh could it be taken from that man's body.
..Force javelins when?

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>>50512480

>>50513573
Have patience, they'll all get bored soon enough. I've a friend who's been a T-Son fan for 15 years.

Why are Tzeentch's lot so loyal?

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Thinking about acquiring some Bullgryns. mostly because I saw an amazing conversion from AoS Bullgors and I want to try it myself as 'abhuman auxiliaries' - pic related.

Far as I can tell their only real purpose is to protect whoever's behind them from being melee'd to death.

They've got no real access to good AP or meltabombs, so they're of dubious use as an offensive melee unit, and their army has no Assault Transports, so they've got no way of getting in close aside from footslogging.

To be fair, they're tough enough to walk across the battlefield, what with the 3 wounds, T5, and 3+ close-order-drill save.

Am I wrong? is it basically a way to give my Demolishers 3+ cover and keep them from getting popped by angry Genestealers?

Do we have a leak of the battleforce formations yet?

Alpha legion has me wanting to play 40k again. When do these rules come out? Will they be fucked over by 8th edition coming out?

>>50513642

god that grenade gauntlet is probably of the worst and most generic pieces of shit weapons the GW designers have ever shite out

looks like something you'd see on an action figure

>>50513616
It's probably more that after all this time with barely any support for Thousand Sons, only the most utterly loyal players remain

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What is the best Psychic discipline and why is it TELEPATHY?

With just the primaris Shriek I kill all TEQ & MEQ units without trying very hard.

>Be Imperial Guard CCS with Astropath
>SM drop pods land to kill my Warlord
>Nearly wipe out over powered new Marines with a single warp charge

Why aren't you shrieking your way to victory? Chaos fags die to this so easily. I love killing a 300pts plus unit with a 25pt astropath.

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Hey, I was reading the 40k books thread a few days ago and now I need your advice. Is the "Enforcer" trilogy or pic related any good?

Were plastic sisters confirmed, and if so, does it mean they are getting actual support?

>>50513664
>He doesn't know 8th edition is the Chaos edition

Warhammer died to the number 8. So will WH40K. Khorne can't be denied, in the old world or the next.

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>>50513694
Yes, we know.

Fucking Telepathy.

>>50513719
No they haven't been confirmed. I think that them getting a token entry in the Agents book is probably a bad thing, as far as them getting a full update is concerned.

>>50513715
Enforcer's top shelf. Very fucking good.

I've never read faith&fire, but I don't think too highly of James Swallow as an author.

>>50513715
I read Faith and Fire, if you're a Sisters fan it's pretty good in my opinion.

>>50513669
I agree. It's one of the reasons I'm so interested in a kitbash. the bullgor model is bigger, so I'd instead use a bit from the Guard armory with a similar weapon profile:

The mortar.

How's this for babby's first 500pt list:

Dominus Maniple

Tech Priest Dominus
>Volkite Blaster
>Conversion Field
>Macrostubber
>Raiment of the Technomartyr

Skitarii Rangers x10
>Taser Goad
>3x Transuranic Arquebus

Onager Dunecrawler
>Neutron Laser
>Cognis heavy stubber
>Cognis Manipulator

TOTAL: 495

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>>50512528
>mfw I have always run 6-man Noise Marine units, a Chaos Lord, and two Sorcerers in my army whenever possible
>mfw I now get +1S Sonic Weapons from running in 6-man units
>mfw Symphony of Pain still exists and is still cumulative
>mfw a single unit of Noise Marines can potentially shit out 12 S7 shots and a S10 blast and a S7 template, all with Ignores Cover, Pinning, and Shred, and all Noise Marine units have Split Fire

WE ARE BEYOND AMPLIFIED

>>50512582
Goddamnit, why? What did they do?

>>50513811
Arquebus a shit. Arc rifles are far better at anti-tank, and plasma is far better at anti-infantry, the re-roll to hit from the formation mitigates the danger from Gets Hot.

Way too many points invested in shitty weapons.

Vanguard>Rangers so take Vanguard, give them plasma calivers and Omnispex, laugh all the way to the bank

>>50513719

Depends on who you ask, plastic sisters where mentioned at the end of a video that confirmed some other leaks.

Personally, I don't think they'd make a joke about something so eagerly awaited, if they wanted to just put a silly comment at the end they'd have said fishmen or something dumb like that, but it's a matter of opinion.

Either way, no new models with the imperial agents codex, and some sources have said that it just has basic sisters as an option, but we'll have to wait until Friday to find out.

>>50513678
TS player since 3rd here, can confirm. I have other smaller armies, but Thousand Sons are my first and favorite army, and winning with them against waac faggots has a special taste (even if it's not often).

>>50513835
Don't you need to max max number of units to get the +1S on sonic weapons?

>>50512921
I can tell you for a fact you're going to be seeing them from a lot more CSM players that play Slaanesh given what>>50513835 said.

Even worse for you when you play them is that any Daemon or Marked of Slaanesh automatically causes Fear for your army, so don't let them get into CC either.

>>50513872
I don't care if it's 6-man units of Noise Marines or 6 units of Noise Marines, I'm gonna do it now.

Even then, that only reduces the S of the weapons by 1, so you've still got S6, S10, and S6 with all the same bells and whistles.

>>50513840
Legion tactics are here.
Death guard gets blanket fearless, FnP and relentless.
Black legion gets turn 1 deep strikes, hatred everything.
Word bearers... manifest warpcharges on a 3+ when summoning (still perils on any double), get blanket crusader and dark apostles zealot applies to any unit within 6".

It's not quite as good as the others.

>>50513811
Arquebus is a trap weapon on vanguard. Only use it on objective camping rangers you want to contribute with 1 or 2 shots a turn from way in the back

>>50513835
Don't forget the Split Fire.

Since Pinning Tests are made every attack, if you use a unit with 2 blastmasters, you DOUBLE the amount of pinning tests your enemy has to make (because you shoot at two different units).

Awesome.

Where can I sell recasts? I got some new recast shit in an army trade and all the Facebook groups and Bartertown don't allow you to list it.

>>50513840
They're not AWFUL. They just didn't get buffed near as much as the rest of the Legions did.

They can make it a shit day for Ultramarines, though, which is nice.

Can't go around giving the rivals of the poster boy faction nice things, can we?

>>50513925
>>50513909
Oh shit guys, the school for the blind are raiding /tg/

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>>50512516
>>50513432
>not understanding the post or the use of greentext
This is why GW has abandoned you

>>50513443
>GW
>not a clusterfuck

>>50513905
Its 6 units of noise marines. Playing 6man units doesnt do anything.

>>50513436
When I open it on my E-reader there are random words scattered all over the screen and the page background image is tiny. How does one fix this ?

>>50514016
Still not bad. Better thn fucking 9 units.

6 units of noise marines with the obligatory lord is around 1000 points

Where can I find that fancy formation that combines Skitarii, Ad-Mech and Knight Titans?

>>50514072
Google War Convocation

>>50513958
If the only two people that answered did not "get it", then it's the post that is shit.

>>50512582
Judging from the "power" of possessed and the way they did implement Crimson Slaughter (different table yet still the unit is too expensive) you should have guessed that GW has no idea what to do with them.

=[

All the Thousand Sons Sorcerers are locked into Force Staves. No more options, just Force Staves.

Why? Every other psyker have an option but we are locked into one because you don't want us to do conversions?

>>50514201

Tsons are proper sorcerers, proper sorcerers use staves.

>>50513926
eBay

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>>50513723
Inquisition call. 10 points Psyker.

Waiting for picture related for mines.

>>50514201
>every other psyker has an option.
>Inquisitors only have swords.
>Acolytes psykers only have staff.

Stop crying

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>>50512480
This is just my armies from 5th, 6th, 7th edition.

>>50514316
>Inquisitors only have swords
>best ordo has daemon hammers
Pleb

>>50514316

Oh, I'm so sorry. I just wanted my old models to still be supported.

It's not like Rubrics had the force weapon option before and are now locked into a staff.
It's not like I have 8 squads that need a staff sorcerer, 4 of which are metal.

>>50514174

All they literally need to do for possessed to be good, is to make them have two wounds each. Just like Wulfen and 30k possessed.

>>50514359
Do you paint yourself?

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>>50512621
I just bought into Word Bearers with a unit Possessed.

I fucking will.

>>50513840
5 Word Bearers - tactical objectives are higher reward for them, I think.
must: no unique, units w/mark already can't play, though those w/option to upgrade mark may do so, VotLW; same w/psykers & demon Psyk = their gods
gain: unholy pact: possessed are troops; also you harness on 3+ to manifest conjuration from deamon(malefic); Blood Feud: VotLW re-roll hits vs. Ultramines each round but ULTYs hate you; Profane Zeal: WB units w/in 6” of Dark Apostles gain zealots
WT: Zealot or allow zealots to refill to-hit in cc; psyker 1; 1 unit w/in12” gets counterattack, fearless, furious charge, relentless; Adam Will & Fearless; You or friendly w/in12” can add/subtract 1 from the 2nd die in Boon Table; gain immediate boon

-WB relics
skull of monarchia (15) bearer & unit can re-roll to-hit rolls in CC vs. armies of imperium, and if vs. ultramarines can also reroll wounds.

crown of blasphemer (30) 4+ invuln, adam will, fear

malefic tome (10)know 1 additional power from demon(maelific)

script of erebus (15) once/game start of any psy phase generate D6 warp charges

Baleful iron(15) units must re-roll successful chrages at you/unit and lose bonus charge attack

cursed Croszius (35) melee S+2, consussive, Bane of Men (you have pref enemy: armies of imperium)

Core: chaos warband, L&Damned

command: Lord of Legion

aux: The 8

obj: your zealots make a charge; your demon kills a unit in assault; kill enemy character; D3VP for successful conjuration; D3 VP if you control obj enemy did; 1VP if you roll on boon table (improves)

Just got a Thunderwolf Calvary whats the best thing to equip them with???

>>50514406
Yep.

And work full time (with a decent commute and a fair bit of work travel).

A good process and production-lining like a mother-fucker can really let you get shit done.

>>50514416
Thunder hammers and storm shields

>>50514431
I admire you for your lack of a Stormsurge but why all of the Knights?

It's already got FAQs? Shit's been out, what, a day?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/03/wrath-of-magnus-faq/

>>50514415

Possessed are terrible though.

Also, Cursed Crozius = AP3, the reason why it costs so much is it's basically a relic blade that can be dual wielded and also BTFOs smurfs

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>>50514359
good job

>>50514450

>Q: Do the new Pink Horrors get Malefic psychic powers?
>A: No, they do not get Daemonology (Malefic) Powers.

Guess they wanted to nip that one in the bud right away.

>>50514460
So what if they're terrible?

I like em.

>>50514490
It pretty much confirms what I thought.

They wrote those horror rules for 8th, knowing they would have daemonology under the current rules so they released an FAQ with it to tide them over until then.
I guess this means the rules on daemonology is changing for 8th.

>>50514509

They're great for casual games, but the competitive word bearers build will be:

>Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with Crown of the Blasphemer
>sacrifices a minion to summon a herald of nurgle with grimoire on 3+
>enjoy rerollable 2++

The rest of the army can do whatever they want, this combo will basically be the glue that holds Word Bearers together.

>>50514416
Few thunderhammers/powerfists and all stormshields.

>>50514548
I don't really care for the competitive scene, so I guess they're perfect.

So, Imperial Knight Paladin

Melta or Stubber?

Leaning Melta.

>>50512480

> Painting station is open
> A lack of Harlequins, CSM, and Sigmarites
> No banter about the CSM Warband, the Unbound Fuckbois
> REEEEEEE

>>50514598
I usually take meltas.
Although one game I did take a stubber and managed to get first blood with a lucky squad wipe of Tyrannic War Vets, so you never know.

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>>50514443
>I admire you for your lack of a Stormsurge but why all of the Knights?
Five nights is nicely 2K points.

And I've got about 6K more points of painted Tau but I haven't updated the photos. Mostly a shit load of suits including another riptide and two stormsurges.

This year I've built and painted the knights and militarium tempestus, built (not painted yet) a 2K marine army for zone mortalis, painted a set of tablescape rolling fields tiles, built the scenery to go with that (not painted yet, built and painted a zone mortalis board (pic related) & built and painted an urban terrain board.

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>>50514632

>>50512919
So now will chaos become an army we see far more often at tournaments? If so, the massive increase in chaos sales will surely lead to even more special focus on them, I'd think.

>>50514662
We're at least going to see more CSM armies that aren't all Nurgle bikers and cultists, which is nice.

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>>50513432
Even though you are replying to a bait post, I agree with you.

>tfw I not only got TS rules for my main Legion but I can slap together an Iwon Warriors CAD with World Eater allies out of the rest of my miniatures.
Death to the False Emperor!

>>50512528
Is this confirmed AT ALL? Or should I just kill myself?

Iron Hands with Harlequin allies, yes or no?

What's the codex for chaos called? I can't find it in the mega.

>>50514737
It is completely fucking legit. The guy leaked WoM too.

>>50514672
With how amazing Nurgle bikes just got, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Tournament players aren't people who play their beloved fluffy army, they play the best of the best.

Traitor Legions is better for making casual Chaos players better off than it is for cheesemasters.

>>50514431
Damn I wish I was that dedicated.
Maybe when I'm done with my studies.

>>50514737
Like >>50514775 said, but you should still end it just to be on the safe side.

>>50514772
Chaos Daemons or Chaos Space Marines, or maybe Renegades and Heretics.

>>50514359
Impressed. I have about 1/3 of what you have and none of it painted. I'm starting soon, as soon as all the stuff I ordered arrives.

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>>50513229
do yourself a favor and get one of these sexy bastards from ebay. forgeworld death korp krieger commisar, my favorite model

>Chaos players reacting to Traitor Legions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-avN1eDoQ

>>50512443
What's a good alternative primer for your minis besides the GW one? I used to use one that worked great, but I can't remember the name even a little.

>>50514775
Any new kits supposedly coming out?

>>50514831
Not for this one, but Abaddon in January.

>>50514799
There are only supplements for chaos space Marines, no codex.

noob question:

I don't see Space Marine codex in Freshest Rulez link. Where do I find the latest?

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>>50514851
>chaos space marines
>fresh rules

>>50514826
I use Tamiya primer on my deathwing. Pretty good shit. Cheap as fuck where I live

>>50514415
So what is the WB bonus for taking the detachment like possessed as troops? The daemon / zelot stuff is just the legion bonus like terror tactics for NL or fnp for DG

>>50514826
FYI, GW don't sell a spray primer...

I like the Plastikote/Valspar primer.

>>50514892
That's all the guy wrote. There may be more he missed but that might just be it.

what would be better for nightlords, Raptors or warptalons boys

>>50514826
Vallejo Surface Primer.

Best primer i've ever used. Designed for airbrushes but I apply it with a regular brush.

Is there a file that has all of the psychic power disciplines in one place so they're easier to reference? Preferably one that's up to date, but that seems unlikely since WoM just came out.

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>>50514909
>warptalons

>>50514897
>what is corax white/chaos black

>>50514868
You're seeing chaos where it doesn't exist. Are you okay?


Unrelated. The Ad-Mech maintain their own Knight Titan right, they're not all just in those faggy Knight Houses? There's no issue with paintin' one in holy red to go with Skitarii?

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>>50514803
Yep, they're great!

>>50514943
>You're seeing chaos where it doesn't exist.

I think that sounds a bit heretical, there's always chaos.

>>50514935
Does it say primer anywhere retard?

It's just black and white spray paint. It's not a primer, it doesn't shrink and it doesn't bond to the underlying surface any better than spray paint.

>>50514930
If there's a formation that lets them assault on the charge, and you can still give them the mark of Slaanesh then they are golden.

>>50514958
>Corax White Spray is designed for undercoating plastic, resin and metal Citadel miniatures. Reformulated for maximum results, it's a fast way to get a uniform base of colour onto models - now in a handy 800ml can!

>This is an ideal spray for undercoating any miniature in white, quickly and with minimal fuss.

Not primer.

>>50514958
It's primer, you're just being pedantic.

>>50514978
It's not a fucking primer - primer is not the same thing as regular paint.

Master of Mankind spoilers: Big E gives up after Horus wrecks his Webway.

He fucking despises the Primarchs, refers to them by number and sees them as tools.

He doesn't just straight up bitchslap Horus to death because Magnus broke his will to do anything by breaking his one and only plan for humanity.

>>50513120
What would be the negatives to taking unbound?

>>50515003
>does the job of primer
>also has the added effect of being a base coat

>>50515003
>Using actual primer on your miniatures

When people say "prime", they mean undercoat with black or white spraypaint

>>50515020
>>does the job of primer
A primer forms a stronger bond with the surface than regular paint - it doesn't do that.
A good primer shrinks to ensure that it's as thin as possible - it doesn't do that.

So no, it doesn't do the job of primer.

>>50514943
The Admech have indentured Knight houses, basically bonded to them through their psuedo feudal system.

They would generally be painted with at least some of their patrons colours and would bear Admech insignia.

>>50515035
>When people say "prime", they mean undercoat with black or white spraypaint
No, they mean use a proper primer from armypainter, valspar, vallejo, tamiya, etc.

>>50515039
>A primer forms a stronger bond with the surface than regular paint - it doesn't do that.

stronger bond isnt needed, so it does the same job

>A good primer shrinks to ensure that it's as thin as possible - it doesn't do that.


not needed if you arn't brain dead and use the spray properly , so it does the same job

>No, they mean use a proper primer from armypainter, valspar, vallejo, tamiya, etc.

no they really dont


I know that you are trying really hard to pretend you wasted money on primer, but you have

>>50515035
>When people say "prime", they mean undercoat with black or white spraypaint
Not people that know how to paint...

>>50514803
Nice.

I might get one of those, and this one: http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/olga-sf

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>>50515079

>>50515070
>wasted money on primer
Implying that a proper primer isn't the exact same price as spray paint and that colored primers aren't available.

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>>50515012
>being surprised by black library
>being surprised the emperor doesn't care for his experiments

>>50515103
I'm not surprised, the swearing I use for emphasis.

>>50515101
>Implying that a proper primer isn't the exact same price as spray paint

so what you are saying is, you are spending the same on primer but you still need to get a base coat after?

I can totally see how thats not a riptoff senpai, you arnt just digging yourself a hole at this point

>Not people that know how to paint...

>spending more time to get the same outcome means you know how to paint

now you are just being silly

>>50515128
>so what you are saying is, you are spending the same on primer but you still need to get a base coat after?
>Doesn't know that colored primer is a thing.

>>50515070
>I know that you are trying really hard to pretend you wasted money on primer, but you have
but primer is typically less expensive than the GW sprays?

It's better and cheaper. There's no reason NOT to use primer outside of a being a brand-whore.

>>50515128
>riptoff
>paint is expensive.
Poorfag detected.

>>50515143
i know they are a thing, its called corax white and other such GW products

>>50515128
A primer basically has resin in it that acts as a layer for paint to adhere to as well as sealing the surface.

Stop being a shitter.

>>50515166
>paying more than you need to just to prove a point means you are a poorfag

lmao

>>50515167
>i know they are a thing, its called corax white and other such GW products
So are you saying that all GW paints are primers or only some of them?

Tip - none of them are primers, they're just spray paint. They're also all shit and overpriced.

Why not pay less for an actual primer?

Gonna play chillout 750p game with orks against orks. Our lists are bretty much same, he takes 1 dread, i take 2 kans, he takes 2 koptas and 3 bikes, i get 5 koptas etc.
And I'm wondering, if taking 25 boyz blob with shootas (including 2 big shootas) would be better than regular 25 sluga boyz.

>>50512596
Being a faggot i would say a mix of both, i usually play the venoms as meatgrinders and transports for my elites, while i use the raider as a fast anti tank taxi to rush 10 men squads of kabalites when i want, and if i can take out taks with shockprow+dark lance combo

>>50515179
>>paying more than you need to just to prove a point means you are a poorfag
Says the guy buying shit, overpriced GW spray paints.

>>50515186
Yes, Shoota Boys always > Slugga boys.

>>50515175
>spray paint doesnt do this

oh wait it does :^)

>>50515180
there are spray paints that arnt sold by GW anon, i was merely pointing out that GW do things which do the same job as primer

Why do they keep saying "Death to the false Emperor!" when the only requirement to be an Emperor is holding a large number of territories?

>>50515203
Except that paint is not the same as primer.

>>50515167

I've got to assume at this point you're either a troll or a GW employee that really wants to sell spray paints.

>>50515195
>pointing out that GW sells cans that does the same job as primer means I'm buying them

you are just grasping at straws now

>>50512443
I'm not replaying to all the arguing. So what is a good primer to go with? What do you guys use in terms of spray primer? I'd like to go out and pick some up today.

>>50515227
Vallejo.

>>50515212
allows paints to adhere better [x]
covers the model quickly [x]

oh shit its literally primer

>>50515227
Valspar, Tamiya, Vallejo, armypainter are all good.

>>50515248
>>50515236
Thank you. I've asked so many questions over the past few days and you've all been really helpful. Appreciated.

>>50515227
i used $1 spray paint from walmart for the longest, worked fine except the times when it was too humid

>>50515239
>allows paints to adhere better [x]
No - it's only regular paint so it doesn't adhere any better to the model than regular paint.
>>50515239
>covers the model quickly [x]
Has nothing to do with being primer or not.

Are you retarded or shilling?

>>50515227
I use armypainter out of convenience, but if I had it available locally I'd go with tamiya.

>>50514909
Warp Talons are too expensive for what they do, but with Raptor Talon and the extra -2 Ld bonus on Fear from the Decurion they could be fun little MEQ blenders (remember that ATSKNF doesn't auto-pass Fear). Anything with 2+ or an invuln save/FNP wouldn't be worth engaging, though.

Raptors get two meltaguns and a combi-melta for tank hunting deep-strikers, or 2x plas + combi for MC/TEQ. They also are decent tarpitters, especially with deepstrike charges.

>>50515273
>cant realise the outcome is the same, showing that actual primer is useless

>im the retarded one

>>50515278

Warp talons become much better when significant target saturation happens- They're much more survivable as soon as they aren't the no brainer target for small arms fire.

>>50514113
some might say it is a "shitpost"

>>50515208
Because when a Night Lord said it during the Heresy they thought it sounded cool.

>>50515227
For those with airbrushes, how good is Vallejo Surface Primer compared to spray cans?
>not letting me link directly

>>50515299

It isn't though, paint will chip more easily than primer.

>>50515208
Sevatar was being Edgy as usual

>>50515299
>outcome is the same
>paint not bonded to the model as well and spray coat is thicker
>the same

>>50512495
I love my Thousand Sons, enough that I'm going to disregard GWs stupid rules and play with my own.

>it's a "anon doesn't know shit about painting" episode

get primer you doofus jesus christ

>>50515260
Ask in /wip next time and you'll get less defensive retards that don't know how to paint answering.

>>50515336
dont drop models, shit that was a hard one to think of

>>50515346
>spray coat is thicker

use less spray, shit that was also hard to think of

>>50515208
Originally it was because the traitors were planning on making Horus their emperor. That's what the heresy was about.

Now it's because ADB's pet character said it.

>>50515366
Didn't know that was a thing, I will next time. Thank you.

>>50515368
>use less spray, shit that was also hard to think of
Doesn't matter what you do, it'll never be as thin as a proper shrinking primer.

>>50515366
unless I'm mistaken, this "spray paint is literally the same as primer" guy was in the /wip thread as well

>>50515368
>dont drop models, shit that was a hard one to think of
So you admit that it's not as strong.

Clearly, not the same then. So why not use a primer?

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>>50515035
>When people say "prime", they mean undercoat with black or white spraypaint

m8

>>50515385
sure ill give you that, but its such a tiny difference its pretty much negligable

>>50515387
That's why I said "less". He got pig-piled instantly in wip.

>>50515399
why use a primer when i can just treat my models better

>>50515387
nope, thats not me

>>50515385
I'm not the most experienced painter, but wouldn't you need to put a base on top of the primer anyway? So your paintjob is going to be at least as thick as a basecoat anyway.

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>>50515260
Hey, anon. Here's what I use and how it comes out. It comes out SUPER FUCKING FLAT. Some of it looks "wet" because I had just glued the suits to the bases and use some Zip kicker.

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Duncan said it's primer and he wouldn't lie to me.

>PRIMER IS USELESS JUST USE PAINT LEL

what bizarro thread have I stumbled into

OK, aside from the giant argument, have I fucked up massively by using Chaos Black spray on my Mechanicus rather than proper primer/whatever?

I imagine it wouldn't make a huge amount of difference, but I'm rather new to this mini-painting thing.

>>50515491
it will make very little difference, ignore the argument just dont use too much spray

>>50515491
>have I fucked up massively
No, it's functional enough. Just know that GW sprays aren't quite as good at the job when compared with proper primers.

>>50515491
No, it really won't make any actual difference.

>>50515491
You might have to redo them eventually and the paint may not go on as well. Otherwise fine

Email from miniwargaming:

>Battle report: Magnus vs Horus

So... Magnus flies out of reach then double taps D every turn until he scores a 6?

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>>50515438

>>50515499
>>50515503
>>50515508

Good. I spent quite a long time attempting to get a decent paint job on my first minis, and while they wont be winning Golden Demon anytime soon it would suck if they wore off really quickly or something.

>>50515518

Once I have enough skill to make properly nice models I was probably going to redo most of them anyway, apart from my Vanguard Alpha. Must keep my first mini to remind me how much I suck/sucked.

>>50512477
what porn is this from, I need to know?

For purely mastubatory reasons.

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hey,

Just glanced over the leaked rules for Emperors Children and wrote a quick CSM+Daemons List using the new "kakophoni" formation: (Lucius or Ch Lord, 3-6 noise marines—get split fire & all sonic weapons gain shred. If take 6 noise marines they also get +1 St guns)

Any thoughts? (is it even legal?)

>>50515594
it's 6 UNITS not 6 DUDES inna unit. To get that bonus, you need to double those marines.

WoM is up?

So, if I'm running the Dominus Maniple, if I want a squad of Infiltrators, do I need to get two more units of Skitarii?

>>50515647
WoM is up.

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>>50515665
ty nano des

>>50515594
What did you make that sheet in?

>>50515660
Yep. Making them two 5-Vanguard units with 2 Arc Rifles each makes them extremely helpful, though. Just make a minimum Skitarii Maniple.

>>50515642

4 great unclean ones... impressive.

>>50513577

New rules gives them all Ravens Talons.

>>50515642
>So many minis, so much money
>So few painted with anything approaching care

Damn cool Imperator Titan, though.

Wait, am I retarded and I was supposed to spray shit with chaos black before spraying any of the color sprays? !

>>50515710
Yes, or a primer.

Who would be good, fluffy allies for AdMech?

>>50515645
its 3-6 units, I got 3 units, I put in 6 to get the Strength buff

>>50515642
>those drop pods
>poorscum proxy models

Why even do this hobby?

>>50515720
Well it's a miracle I haven't fucked more shit up. At least now i won't waste so much valuable color spray not sticking to plastic because I'm retarded

>>50512728
Not when they jink

>>50515724
Iron Hands.

>>50515683

this

http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50515724
imperial guard, space marines

>>50515594
It's 6 units for +1S lad

>>50515724
Inquisition, the Ordo Machinum.
Guard because many Forge Worlds also have a militia.
Steel Confessors or Iron Hands (Same chapter tactics).
Imperial Knights, of course.

>>50515039
Enjoy clogging the shit out of your model with primer

>>50515733
No, you need to have the maximum number of units in the formation for the buff. Three is the minimum to take the formation for the other bonus.

>>50515724
Steel Confessors, the AdMech's personal chapter.

And, iirc, the only non-Ultramarines chapter to have an official GW statue at their headquarters.

>>50515642
>TTS
>That "Krampus" Verminlord
Are you Mi'kael?

>>50515756
>>50515776
woopsie. brb fixing

I "prime" with 99cent flat black from walmart and have never had an issue

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Props to this ebay seller for including the inquisition bit, printing the data sheet AND including instructions. What a swell dude.

Does anyone know where the helmet on the Nihilus venerable dreadnought comes from? Dudes got a bionic eye and an =][= on his head and I haven't seen this ven dread head anywhere but the box image.

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Can someone tell me what chapter these guys are? Sorry if picture is sideways, posting from phone

>>50515832
>black helmets
yep this picture sure is sideways

Will warp talons be any decent in an EC army?

>>50513925
Don't forget the doom siren

Units of noise marine in rhino with meltas


Do they split fire?

>>50513835
THINGS WILL GET LOUD IN HERE

>>50514220
Predict buff to force staff in 8th so it better than mace

>>50512477
IMPERIAL AGENTS!

>>50514377
Yeah this sucks. How the fuck am I gonna change them to a Force staff now? Probably just will counts-as them and whoever nitpicks can fuck off. Not tearing up fuckin' metal minis for anyone's autism.

>>50514377
Complain daily in the Facebook page until they errata it

>>50514490
People complained about them on the 40k Facebook page and there was immediate response I

>>50515772
>clogging the shit out of your model with primer
How do you clog the the model with primer?

A proper primer shrinks so it's way thinner than any spray paint can be.

>>50515710
>Wait, am I retarded and I was supposed to spray shit with chaos black before spraying any of the color sprays? !
No, because chaos black is not a primer. Use a colored primer or prime and then spray your basecoat (if you've really got to use a spray basecoat)

>>50515431
>I'm not the most experienced painter, but wouldn't you need to put a base on top of the primer anyway? So your paintjob is going to be at least as thick as a basecoat anyway.
Yes. But it's now adhered much more strongly to the model.

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>>50515594

FIxed I guess?

Is this list viable to play or do I lack anything crucial? kinda new to this

>>50515913
SCREAM TO BE HEARD

>>50516047
>do I lack anything crucial?
rhinos, for starters

marines on foot are dead marines

Can I only have 1 artefact of slaughter in my army or one in my Slaughtercult and one in my Charnel Cohort

>>50516079
I dunno, anon. All those salvo guns and fnp says midrange objective campers to me.

But I don't like rhinos in general. Too bad you can't take blastmasters outside 9f 10 man squads cause s9 blastmasters would be sick.
>>50516047
Who goes in the land raider?

Don't say it's your anti tank because I will judge you.

>>50516104
1 per person that can take artifacts and you can't duplicate the same artifact

Why do people have a boner for Epubs instead of PDFs now? Epubs take longer to load and browse and require specific programs like caliber. PDFs can be read by adobe fucking acrobat in the blink of an eye.

Trying to read the WoM epub in the mega in caliber and it's a jumbled mess of faulty formatting. Trying to use it to convert to a readable PDF and taking fucking ages to do it.

Unified AdMech book when?

I'm so sick of having to fuck around with the allies rules so I can get a Skitarii army with a Dominus HQ.

>>50516153
Because they are released as epubs. Convert them to PDFs yourself.

>>50516156
Considering Admech is one of GW's highest selling armies..

We'll probably get a new Admech book before Orks or Tyranids.

>>50515787
New phone, who dis?

>>50516191
It's been stuck on 47% for 15 minutes now!

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Can Havocs please get a plastic box already? How old are these guys now?

What do anons use for their Havocs?

>>50516227
Just one of the guys from the FB page. I saw the Krampus yesterday, then just now in the bottom of that image.

>>50516264
I don't use them but I'm thinking of just making some las/autocannons out of plasticard on some old AobR marines. I assumed people just slap random heavy weapons (original or scratchbuilt) on regular troops.

Is there any way to kill a model of your choice that you control, guaranteed? Because it seems like you could get some extra mileage out of alpha legion by teleporting your warlord around the table that way.

>>50516264
I run all my Havs with special weapons, so I dont have a problem there. Thats honestly the best way to run them: just put two special weapons in a 5-man crew, stick them in a rhino with a combi-plas and watch your opponent shit himself at 6 plasma shots at BS4 at 12" for a pittence.

>>50516199
>>50516156

I am pretty damn sure one of the more reliable sources all but confirmed a unified mechanicus book aliongside another wave of models.

>>50516294
Death Guard can now do that shit with lascannons or autocannons..