Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

So can dragons breed with dragons of different colors? I know Nefarian was trying to do some weird eugenics experiment back in vanilla but I don't know why he couldn't have just done it the old fashioned way.

>>50502409

Twilight dragons are red/black hybrids, IIRC. I don't think making them was a simple as just putting a red and a black together and playing some porn music, though. There's some sort of old god alchemy corruption stuff or something in the mix too.

I also think there's a bit in Day of Dragon where Deathwing is represented with a desire to have Alexstrasza and Ysera as mates,, but I think that's more just him wanting deluxe red and green holsters for his lava dick, not because he wants kids out of them.

I wouldn't put it past red dragons to be able to magically hybridize with others, though. Life magic and all that, you know.

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>The Alliance will never retake Stromgarde
>That pencil-pusher is still holding up Danath's return

It hurts, bros.

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Better Lore Y/N

>The Orcs aren't Dindus corrupted by demons. Instead they dig war and hunt for more war
>The Orcs' lethargy came from a conspiracy between Blackmoore, Blackhand's sons, and some Gnomes
>Alexstraza is meaner (complete with having a grudgs against the Orcs) and has Deathwing as her son
>Orc Shamans are Necromantic

>>50503215
>Gazlowe's a New York cabbie
>Deathwing has Troll slaves, lives at Blackrock Spire, is fat and lazy, and smokes a hookah pipe
>bearded Dorf women
>no Taretha

I dunno about this.

>>50505333

>alexstrasza has a basement dweller son who smokes weed all day

>>50502587
>Twilight dragons are red/black hybrids, IIRC. I don't think making them was a simple as just putting a red and a black together and playing some porn music, though. There's some sort of old god alchemy corruption stuff or something in the mix too.
the process to create Twilight dragons is, to quote Deathwing "extremely painful" (for Alextrzsa's whelps)

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why's this thread so dead all of a sudden?

used to be much more popular

>>50506562
peopel are sleepy and shit.

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>>50506562
the people who post in this thread have weird schedules I think. It dies in the middle of the day and becomes really active late at night

also god ging sgovald :DDDDD did nothing wrong. The ages belongs to a true vrykul king and not some filthy outsiders

>>50506562
Hallo Odeen you habe aygis for me?

>>50503215
>Orcs aren't Dindus
Y
>Dig war, want more war
N
>Lethargy due to alcohol
Y
>Alex is an actual dragon
Y
>Deathwing her son
Maybe
>Orc Shamans practice necromancy
YYYYY

>>50505333
>Gazlowe
Maybe
>Deathwing actually being somewhere
Y
>Bearded dorfgrills
Not sure
>No Taretha
N

>>50506649
>implying Alex's regular nature makes her any less 'real' a dragon than Neltharion

She can still kill when she needs to. Just ask Nekros.

what kind of magic did onyxia use to split varian into two?

what would happen if one of the varians died?e

how did he merge back into one?

why is varian able to switch between fury and arms?

whats the story behind his blade? how did he obtain it?

are varian copies related to mirror images of blademasters?

>Shamans commune with the spirits of the land and the deceased
>Make pacts and deals much like warlocks, but refuse to interact with malicious spirits (i.e. Demons) due to a code of conduct not to invoke the metaphysical equivalent of a nuke on other clans when in war, those who don't maintain code are cast out and branded warlocks and evil witches
>Fear mongering campaign against Draenei weakens reservations until radical Shamans turn to Warlocks en masse
>Nuking enemies with Demonspells radiates the land until inhospitable, makes orc clans fight against eachother for supplies, nuke eachother even more in despair
>Portal rift opens, small raiding parties bring in new resources from Azeroth and become influental as fuck
>Half-Orc babies with human captives
>Grow them and other babies into adolesence through warlock spells to replace losses in inter-clanwarfare
>Forge the Horde to conquer new world

>>50506824

Dont overthink retarded lore. Everything about varian from the gladiator championship, to hot blood elf sidekick to split personality, to 1v1mefgt-ing a dragon, to the cheesy oneliners to the wolf spirit bullshit reads like some shitty comicbook from the 70s,

>>50507050
pretty much this. The comics are completely fucked and do nothing but make Varian into a retarded mary sue god king. I'm so fucking glad they scrapped the idea of making the Warcraft movie about Varian

>>50502344
>in BC Blood Knights were ultra-right secular order who showed the whole philosophy of Sin'Dorei
>now they are Silver Hand cocksuckers

>>50507357
>TFW hearing the first comments from the production before Duncan Jones took over
>TFW the comment "Thrall of the Alliance" is made
>TFW reading the comics and it all clicks
>TFW wanting to read more comics trying to get a headstart and get to know more background about the film's narrative
>It's all just visiting major dungeons and tons of unwarranted magical chosen one plotlines

i trashed all those comics I owned even though I liked the weebish artstyle of the earlier issues. I'm glad they had the same guy draw the Ashbringer comics and the Worgen comic, although seriously the writing is extremely cringey in english. Somehow it's not as atrocious in German (as far as I remember, probably should re-read it).

So glad they came back to Warcraft 1 and picked bits from the Last Guardian and Rise of the Horde to add.

>>50507519

> Thrall of the Alliance

What a bad premise. No wonder Varian has been so badly written.

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>>50507591
Blizzard's half-assed attempt at making a 'Blue Warchief' undermines the sovereignty of member nations.

They could just hire a writer that doesn't limit themself to Lawful Stupid when it comes to the alliance.

>>50507050
so? warcraft lore = retarded. canonically every stormwind city guard is now running around with a machine gun preventing the yearly apocalypse on azeroth.

>>50508144

> warcraft lore = retarded

But it didn't turn retarded until TFT. Vanilla was at least alright.

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>>50508144
>warcraft lore = retarded

Blame it on WoW.

>>50508235
>forsaken in horde
alright lore :)))

warcraft is as serious of a setting as the simpsons / family guy and so on

>>50508235
>>50508520

>replying to blatantly obvious shitposters

>>50508115
Honestly, even the actual Warchief title is pretty stupid. Not the name, of course, but the notion that the position is inherently the sovereign leader of ALL the Horde, rather than just the orcs. It sure as hell wasn't the case before Garrosh/Kosak happened.

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So why was Kael'thas in love with Jaina? I don't understand why a centuries-old elven prince was hung up on a human girl. It's not like he could even marry her, realistically. The idea of him crushing on her is just silly.

>>50508557
It made sense at least with Thrall since the Nu Horde was his baby. He united the Orc clans, he brought the Darkspear Trolls into the fold and forged an alliance with Baine Bloodhoof and his Tauren.
After Thrall, none of it makes any logical sense.
After Garrosh, even less so that the Horde is sticking together rather than going their own way.

>>50508568
Kael is the elf equivalent of a pedophile.

>>50508568
Same with Kalecgos. I think she's just supposed to be loved by everyone.

>>50508568
even better a dragon is now banging jaina

>>50508699
How "old" is Kael'thas supposed to be by elf standards? Is he young, middle-aged, or what?

>>50508694

Logically, the horde should have been dismantled if not outright destroyed at the end of MoP. Even before that some dissent between the core horde and the undead/elf edgy tagalongs should have been shown.

>>50508557

It was already a thing in WotLK. When you induct the taunka in the horde you force them to recite an islamic fanatic tier oath, how their sole purpose of existence is to serve the warchiefs will and be his tool or whatever.

>>50508694
>Baine
Er. Meant to say Cairne. But whatever.

>>50508568
>The idea of him crushing on her is just silly.

Why? She is attractive, intelligent, good at magic etc. Why is it so strange he'd be drawn to her?

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Mean Streets of Gadgetzan is the most interested I've been in Warcraft lore in years.

What's the deal with Kazakus? Why is Kun the Forgotten King cool with Aya siphoning his soul to power her golems? Where does Don Han'Cho get all of his specifically tailored outfits?

The mysteries are abound!

>>50508568
Petty elf prince competing with a human rival.

Arthas was in Quel'Thelas when he was a kid according to himself, so it wouldn't surprise me if he managed to piss the elves off and they pissed him off at the same time. It would explain Kael trying to get with Jainia to annoy Arthas and why Arthas was so zealous in wrecking the High Elves.

>>50508568
On a related note, Jaina had awful taste for choosing Arthas over Kael.

>>50508829
She wasn't exactly spoiled for good choices.

Between

>Petty human prince
>Petty elf prince
>An Orc she had no interest in
>A dragon who thought she looked like the Sunwell

It's slim pickings for Ms. Proudmoore.

>>50508795
So Kael'thas' interest in Jaina was a failed attempt to cuck Arthas? Somehow, that's even sadder...

>>50508898
Not so much, more the initial interest was started because she was something Arthas was interested in, there might have been more to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kael's original interest was in seeing the woman that that irritating human pleb was sweet on.

Still this is just me guessing based on what amounts to 3 lines of dialogue from WC3.

>>50508521

>forsaken in Lore

I'll be the first to admit that the Forsaken going Horde is one of other mistakes that were pushed by the Faction System (others including the Blood Elves going Horde). The Forsaken really should have been members of neither Alliance or Horde.

But putting faction faggotry away, you had the Alliance's members doing their own thing instead of just being goons of the Wrynns. You had the Horde trying to find its place in the world of pushing a faction conflict that should have ended in WC3. Sure, Vanilla had its iffy parts but all considered the Lore in WoW hasn't gotten better than what we had in it and got worse from TBC onward.

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>>50508855
But Kael is a hot fabulous blood elf. (Having read the Arthas novel, I agree with you that they both had some, uh, personality issues.)

>>50508981
>I'll be the first to admit that the Forsaken going Horde is one of other mistakes that were pushed by the Faction System (others including the Blood Elves going Horde). The Forsaken really should have been members of neither Alliance or Horde.
Honestly, I blame Gnomes. There wouldn't have been a need for Horde to get Forsaken to balance the factions if Gnomes weren't a playable race.

>>50509055
>>50508855

Funny enough, Arthas becoming a Death Knight actually improved him.

>Paladin
>Gets indignant at Uther or Jaina trying to tell how to do stuff
>Gets his men stranded
>Acts like he has too much to prove

>Death Knight
>Actually hears out Kel'thuzad's advice
>Tells a Crypt Fiend he wouldn't let his subjects be killed by rebels
> Acts like he can better handle war or other dangerous situations

How much of that is Ner'zhul's spell and how much is Arthas' own shift?

If WoW 2 ever happens, my greatest desire is that the Forsaken aren't a playable race. Then watch their stranglehold on Lordaeron just vanish.

>>50507513
Well having their entire race saved by the very entity they were torturing to get their power and finding out that he'd done it willingly to save them tends to change people.

Besides Lady Liadrin is cool

>>50509165
More as a Death Knight he probably felt he had less to prove. It didn't matter that he wasn't Uther or his father, seeing as he'd killed both of them, thus he likely felt less pressured to be the prefect prince and apprentice to Uther.

Am I bad for wanting to be a Death Knight who gets to accompany Arthas and KT in Naxx as they go on wacky adventures and banter other characters.

>>50508746
He was supposed to be young, maturity wise he was at the same level as Arthas and Jaina. So like early 20-something.

>>50509165
Yeah, Arthas was much less of a pissbaby after his soul got gobbled by a sword. Ignoring the clammy hands, penchant for genocidal rampage, and flowers dying and dogs snarling in his wake, he came out of that ordeal a more attractive guy.

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>>50509165
Death Knight Arthas was the best character in WC3 and TFT. It's a shame he went full 80s cartoon villain in Wotlk. I liked the snarky Arthas better.

>Uther: "I hope there's a special place in Hell waiting for you Arthas"
>Arthas: "We may never know, I intend to live forever."

>>50509247
people complain about Bolvar and Thrall kill stealing, but LK was just as bad, and it was even worse cause they were his own guys

>>50505649

I kind of figured dragons were at least semi-capable of reproducing asexually. I mean Alexstrasza obviously bangs everything that moves but Grim Batol is fucked up enough without TVTropesing it up with lots of rape.

>>50508937
I wish the official book detailed more of that stupid love triangle because it had so much potential to touch on that rivalry. I would read arthas vs. kael in their younger years.

>>50508981
I am of the belief that they should've done a three faction system, with Forsaken being their own thing, but allow them be the dead-zombified version of every other race. To make it lore viable just say they are all fucking mind controlled by whoever is in charge (wasn't it pretty much stated in Cata that they have no free will anyway?)

>>50509350
Just have a playable Scourge then, the Forsaken can be just another faction to grind rep with and the faction conflict would be slightly more justified than it is otherwise.

>>50509347
There's also a chance Antonides tried playing match maker I suppose.

The relationship between Arthas and Varian is something that would have been interesting to see as well.

>>50509285
>but Grim Batol is fucked up enough without TVTropesing it up with lots of rape.
I'm pretty sure they took already laid Red eggs and pumped them full of shadow energy, then tortured the hatched whelps to drive them insane

>>50509378
antonidas matchmaking kael and jaina together? lol... meddlesome old people...

agreed. the book was rather disapointing because none of these interesting relationships were fleshed out very much.

>>50509406
> Kel'Thurzard wanted to make everyone equal and eternal in death.
>His best friend tried to establish the Dalaran Eugenics programme.

Agreed, I think that's been a failure on the part of wow as well, simply by virtue of the fact that at its core the game is about the PC's it in turn means a lot of the character development for the Lore characters is lost. When it does happen, people complain that Thrall et al is hogging the lime light, at least that's my opinion.

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>instead of bring Kael'thas back to lead the blood elves after he realizes Illidan is going to cheat him they make him a raidboss who got lolcorrupted

Still kind of mad about this. Hell I'm mad that Illidan's forces were made the bad guys, they had a fun as fuck campaign back in WC3 and could have solved a lot of this 'UNDEAD AND BLOOD ELVES SHOULDNT BE HORDE' crap by just taking both of them in.

>>50509366
Sure that is more or less what I was aiming for, but I personally wouldn't have a Forsaken rep faction. The Scourge are a bunch of anti-living assholes (and realistically the Forsaken are as well), so I'd find it hard that they would want to associate with the other factions. I guess I could see backstabbing and infighting going on, with some dude using us to usurp the current boss man all the while our characters are saying "Well the enemy of my enemy is my friend!"

Any US fags here play on Moon Guard?

>>50509565
There's a battle ground there I guess with the Horde and Alliance propping up "their" candidate for control of the Forsaken.

As for the playable Scourge, to begin with I imagine the quests would be more along the lines of gather these ingredients so the Noth can make a new batch of plague that does X, or raid this troll barrow to steal some of their own necromancer rituals so we can improve ours.

Eventually once the Lich King wakes up then it would be a simple enough task to have the Scourge shift their focus to the Old Gods justifying it as getting rid of the competition or a pissing contest over control of Northrend with a few quests dealing with extracting cultists from Stormwind or Orgrimmar or whatever to give them some contact with the other factions.

I remember this being discussed a few threads back though.

>>50509609
I used to, but WoD and Legion has killed my interest. I still have an active sub for a couple months, but I haven't logged on in weeks.

The game I might could handle, but the RP community is just so shitty now.

>>50502409

yes, they can


remember that cute red dragon you quested for near coldara in the borean tundra? you got rid of one of malygos's girls?

he steals her and forced not so sexy times on her

>>50509609


I do, actually, why?

>>50509746
Mostly curious, ever since I hit 110 I've been bored and noticed I lacked a guild and none of the guilds that advertise in trade chat seem appealing.
>>50509694
Any specific reasons as to why it's shitty?

>>50509769

what are you interested in doing?

raiding?
role playing?
making gold?

>>50509779
All three seem nice.

>>50509789

pick one because that's how boredom sets in, you do everything and burnout and don't feel like playing anymore

>>50509769
Maybe it's just comparative, but you basically just have two options as far as organized RP these days.
>Slice of life with randoms and a batshit scale between garbage and greatness
>Military guilds and the Clergy.

Used to, A-side has so much in terms of options. There were explorer guilds, an incredibly vibrant organized crime scene in Stormwind, mercs + heroes for hire, and more in addition to the Military + Clergy. And the server was fairly cohesive as far as these bodies interacting with one another realistically. It felt really vibrant and you have a wide wealth of options, with a good number of options to pick from. And even as far back as Mists, you could find people in the whole city. Now, A-side RP is basically either a handful of military guilds, the Clergy, and what you find in Cathedral Square and the Mage Quarter.

I've always heard Horde is kinda slow and isolated, but there are a number of really, really good guilds if you can get into them.

As much as I hated the expansions themselves, Cata and Mists were the last time that Moon Guard's A-side RP community was really strong and healthy. I had hoped that Legion would pick back up, but it seems like it hasn't. More stuff to do than back in WoD, but that's saying very little.

Basically, hope to fuck you find a guild that you look and that isn't just a sophomoric clique, because otherwise you're gonna get fucked. I'm just glad that my 3 old mains all managed to achieve genuine character arcs before things went so far to shit.

>>50503215
I like the Lord of the Clans orcs. They're a good balance between the older "always chaotic evil" and the later "dindu nothing" ones. They're a martial people who value strength in arms and military prowess, but they're still people. They can be assholes or ok guys, and from their point of view the attack on human lands made sense, as it was a simple resource question. Draenor was a shithole, on the other side of the portal there's good land, but somebody else is living there. So you get an army and roll in yo claim their land by right of conquest. Pretty much every culture ever has done that.

>>50509138
It's more about night elves. They wanted all the factions in WC3 (Alliance, Horde, the Scourge and the Sentinels) to be represented as playable race, but didn't want to make 4 different factions, so they just rolled the night elves and the undead (Forsake instead of the Scourge because it wouldn't make nay sense to have the Scourge join another faction) into Alliance and Horde. Choosing which faction got which race probably just boiled down to wanting both factions have one race based on the continent that otherwise is largely populated by the other faction. If NE had gone Horde and Forsake Alliance, you'd end up with Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms being de-facto Horde- and Alliance-land, respectively.

Gnomes were just something they dug up to give Alliance troll-equivalents ("minor" race that shares capital with one of the other races). They seemed to have retconned them out in WC3, where there's no mention of gnomes and all the technological stuff that in previous games was attributed to gnomes was now attributed to dwarves, but when they needed one more Alliance race in WoW, they brought them back.

>>50509779
Out of curiosity what is a good way to make gold other than playing the AH. I usually made a good bit just running old raids for transmog purposes, but most of my money comes from the bag and cloth market.

>>50509285
Alextraza is supposed to have been forced by the orcs to repeatedly mate with her consort (who they had also captured) to produce dragon eggs for the Horde. IIRC, her consort was the dragon who'se skull is displayed in the museum in Ironforge.

>>50509914

about 1-2 months before the expac I made enough to get my transmog mount, 120k

I leveled a priest, a hunter, a warrior, and a rogue from 1 to 70ish and made sure to keep an eye out from slutty transmog
old world trasnmog can go for quite a bit, sometimes several thousand so I always made sure to kill every single rare spawn that was near me

slutmog sells

>>50509922

was it tyrant something? I know he was a super old red dragon

>>50509938
Tyranastrasz

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>>50509957

>>50509938
Yeah I sold a lot of slutmog back in WoD when the Salvage Crates weren't a pile of shit. The occasional epic was also a nice chunk of change

>>50509640
Fuck that sounds great, do you have links to those threads?

>>50510231
Not off the top of my head no.

That said, we spent more time talking about what races would make up the scourge to fill it out. And what the mounts would be than anything else.

Also could someone tell me if Proto-drakes are as intelligent as dragons? can they hold conversations ect or are they simply clever animals?

>>50510263
Clever animals. Higher intelligence isn't impossible though, as proven by the Aspects when they were still proto-dragons.

>>50510446
Cool, I thought as much, but figured i'd better make sure considering that the aspects and Glactron or whatever its name was were around and I haven't read that book.

>>50508782

Aya's voice and mannerisms are so similar to Lili's, I've been wondering if maybe Aya and White Eyes are actually Lili and Chen under, like, memory alteration or mind control or something. Maybe Kun is cool with it because he's actually the one behind it all? Like once there's this army of jade golems around, he'll take direct control of all of them.

>>50510263
Scourge races? Hmm going by Vanilla's four races per faction I'd say.

Undead: The current undead race only on Scourge side.
Damned: Living cult of the damned member. Look like other races only with the Death Knight skin tone. Could choose from any other race but it would be cosmetic only and wouldn't effect racials.
Nerubian: The smaller human sized kinds, not crypt lords.
Darkfallen: Elf vampires.

Undead would have their regular mounts, Damned would have a shade beast that would look like the shadow priest minions only a mount, Nerubians would have giant bug mounts, and Darkfallen would have bloody hounds of Tindalos looking things.

>>50510578
From memory we had ghouls, nerubians, darkfallen and abominations for vanilla, a suggestion for a troll tribe for BC, but that was more a case of struggling to think of anything else.

Gargoyles were floated as the flying mounts. not sure about the shade beasts, plague horses might work better than something so old gody. Darkfallen had nothing, but hounds/ black beasts are a good idea. The abominations were going to have chariots and the Nerubians were going to have planes running or web running in this case.

Cultists is a really good idea though. Vykrul would be the one joining in Cata seeing as by that point the Scourge would be running at full operational levels again instead of Kel'Thurzard's A team that you were during the first three expansions.

Thinking about it though, having the starting zones be in Northrend would work well with Anub'arak sending you to aid KT while he holds down the fort and waits for Arthas and Ner'Zul to awaken.

Its an interesting thought experiment in any case.

>>50508568
>I don't understand why a centuries-old elven prince was hung up on a human girl.

The same reason the Windrunner sisters were cray cray about human D.

>>50510707
>Elven nobility are all obsessed with fucking humans
it's like elite pedo cults but it's actually real

>>50510655
Adding an extra faction to vanilla would mean you could cut the capital cities per side down from 3 to 2. So they could have Azjol-Nerub and Stratholme as their capitals. Horde would have Orgrimmar and Thunder Bluff, and Alliance would have Stormwind and Ironforge.

>>50510874
Was thinking Naxx would have to be one simply because Kel'Thurzard would be the faction leader and at least thematically, having the Scourge operate out of a Necropolis is something I think would need to happen considering their role as the capitol buildings in WC3.

Stratholme could remain a dungeon, it would make more sense to have Balthazar as the final boss there who has seized it with the undead he controls and a few Scourge members who sided with the Legion and some survivors of Archimonde's fuck up.

Rivendere could be the Scourge version of the Argents and be the one leading the Scourge efforts to take the city back.

>>50508782
Hearthstone in general seems to have so much more creative energy invested in it than WoW.

>>50510913
Would Night Elves be a faction as well?

>>50510942
Night Elves should be neutral.

>>50510942
Didn't really think about it. The original question was come up with a way for the Scourge to be a playable faction.

I think in this case that would make the most sense. In a lot of ways I imagine time and budget dictated a lot of these decisions and considering we don't need to worry about cost, why not. There is pelnty to work with there, Saytrs and Naga invading, the Highborne in Diremaul, so you cold do quite a few quest chains with that material.

Would mean the Alliance gets Paladins, Horde Shamans, Scourge Death Knights and Kaldori Druids as well.

>>50510578
>Damned

Better have the face paint.

>>50511002
Of course they do, that face paint is awesome

>>50511538
>>50511002
>ywn join the Cult of the Damned to hit on edgy corpsepainted chicks

Where the fuck is Kel'thuzad and why isn't he doing anything since the whole world has gone to shit.

>>50509247
>I remember you evil prince. You're the one who killed poor Muradin.

>Get over it already

>>50511574
waiting to decide if Bolvar is the One True King I hope

>I remember you evil prince. You're the one who killed poor Muradin.
>Get over it already
doesn't anyone stay dead anymore?

>>50508568
It's Warcraft, m8.

Elves and humans are addicted to each-other.

>>50511574
Waiting for subbs to drop and we get the patch intro video with him moving through Stormwind talking about how everything has changed from when he was alive before resurrecting his best bro and finishing with "Naxxramas is at your service once again, my king" while it rises out of the harbor.

>>50511578
>Kel'Thuzad: She is persistent. Reminds me of you, death knight.

>Arthas: Shut up you damned ghost.

>>50511574

Xe'ra is actually Kelthuzad

>>50511646
>You look different, Illidan. I guess the Skull of Gul'dan didn't agree with you.
>Are you still upset that I stole Jaina from you, Kael?

>>50511707
>>50511655
>>50511646
>>50511578
>>50511574
Can we have Death Knight Arthas back? I'm fine with Bolvar as the Lich King but Death Knight Arthas is too good not to have around.

>>50508855
>Orc she had no interest in

Curse your doubledubs but you'll never convince me they didn't at least occasionally think about boning it up.

>>50511872
desu the faction leaders and lead characters need some work on their personalities. Khadgar's aloofness is a step in the right direction but I want a faction leader I can get behind that builds their own hype, like Garrosh and Greymane.
>Gallywix doing shady dealings with the Nightbourne for cash
>Baine actually stepping up and forming an alliance with the Highmountain tribes
> Mekkatorque fucking around with military equipment

Fucking Lor'themar isn't even at the Suramar assult. I understand all this class identity crap but goddamn do the leaders sit around and do fuck all this expansion outside of
>Muh druid hubby

to add to this, is there even any note worthy troll to take Vol'jins place?

>>50512195
>>Baine actually stepping up and forming an alliance with the Highmountain tribes
this was planned but Alliance players threw a shit fit because Horde characters are only allowed to be finger tenting cartoon villains instead of logical leaders

>>50512259
#FeelTheBaine

Ally faggots once again rekkitted by Tauren supremacy.

>>50512259
This is the second time I'm hearing devs cater to allibabies. I want to call bullshit but why is it they listen to these people? It's fucking stupid it took literal orc hitler to bring conflict between the factions. Meanwhile the alliance is taking little to no action for the shit happening in upper EK while the NE's let genocidel green aliens spread further into their forests.

The most We've gotten to faction tension in this expansion is Greymane smashing a lantern, Sylv shooting him and Veressa firing an arrow past Rommel's head.

>>50512416
>I want to call bullshit but why is it they listen to these people?
same reason there's always a mage spec in top 3 DPS rankings. Because it's easier to cater to crybabies then tell them to shut the fuck up and calm down

>>50512259
>this was planned
just like the firebombing of orgrimmar.

>The faction system ruined WoW
>Agreed, now let's fanwank about a playable Scourge faction that would cause even more extreme plot contrivances
I don't get you guys.

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>>50512259
>>50512416
>yfw Alliance babbies scuttled the potential Baine x Mayla romance before it could begin

Baine needs to get some narrative time for himself, and they have could bonded over dead dads and young leadership, it would have been great.

Even as is, I think Baine's been awakening a new fetish in Legion.

>"These Highmountain tribes are... tall. Very tall."

>>50512640
It's already shit, how much worse can it get?

I'd only be for a Scourge faction if it meant more Arthas.

>>50512732
I'm ok with this as long as the resulting alliance is called the Bloodmountain tribe

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>>50512876
Sounds much better than Highhoof Tribe, that's for sure.

Implying anyone cares about Baine.

>>50513316
>all tauren tribes are destined to slowly gain edgier and edgier names as they intermarry and combine the old names into the coolest ones possible
I for one welcome our new Bloodgrimhoofmoutaintotem overlords

>>50509397
That is essentially how it goes. By the time of the Dragon Soul raid, they'd perfected the process. Krasus blew up all the dragonshrines and himself as all of the eggs started hatching twilight, and his scales were starting to shift in color.

>>50512732

A storyline of the Highmountains being negotiated with to join the Horde would be cool, though. Remember the old tauren intro voiceover? The Bloodhoof tribe got together with the orcs in WCIII, then in between then and WoW there was a whole period of unification between all the tauren tribes of kalimdor. There are all sorts of stories that you could tell from that period! We got a bit of it in WotLK with the taunka, but I'd love to see more with the Highmountains.

You could complicate things with the Grimtotems, too. They were in negotiations with the Alliance at some point, right? Have Magatha send some grandson of hers to try woo Mayla Highmountain too, with the Alliance sneakily helping out. Have a drama between Baine, Mayla and a Grimtotem suitor, with a cold war background thing of the Horde and Alliance vying for the Highmountains' allegiance.

Well all hate the factions, so how about having races break away and form a new faction?

Horde:
Orcs
Tauren
Gobs
Trolls

Alliance:
Stormwind
Gilneas
Ironforge
Gnomes

Coalition of Waifus:
Blood Elves
Forsaken
Night Elves
Draenei

>>50513505
I'm more in favour of the living being genocided to serve the One True King in his war against the Legion

also it should be
>Horde
>orcs
>trolls
>tauren

>Alliance
>humans
>dwarves
>gnomes

>Illidari
>blood elves
>broken draenei
>naga

>>50513505
>>50513574

Races shouldnt be lumped into monolithic factions to begin with. The vanilla way of loose alliances and cooperation was perfect, multiple factions and subfactions interacting and bringing political intrigue would be even better
The entire thing with SW nobility would be so open for a GoT ripoff thing.

>implying blizzard can write anything than the most generic of silver age shit now with heroes fighting MUH PEES and villains going THIS CANNOT BE

>>50513505
Alliance:
Humans
Dwarves
Gnome

Horde:
Orcs
Trolls
Tauren

Forsaken:
Undead Humans
Undead Elfs
Undead Orcs

Illidari:
Blood Elves
Draenei
Naga

Night Elves:
Night Elves
Furbolgs

Basically in this system the parent faction would be the one that the player starts in with friendly relationship but the player could influence his or her loyalties by doing various missions (i.e. wanna become a horde loyal night elf? do mission to gain rep with them and then do a major mission chain where you become a horde aligned quisling [note: this will make your original faction hostile towards you]).

>>50513448
Add in Hamuul Runetotem as a neutral mediator, also make his daughter secretly evil and having a romance with the Grimtotem guy.

>>50512416

>Says faction faggotry is poorly handled
>Asks for more

Is he serious?

>>50513671
Alliance (the good)
Humans
Dwarves
Gnomes
High Elves
Vrykul

Horde (the bad)
Orcs
Trolls
Tauren
Goblins
Ogres

Third one (the edgy)
Blood Elves
Broken Draenei
Naga
Forsaken
Worgen

Three races at the start, then add one for each faction in expansions. Maybe add Night Elves somewhere, or Space Goat Draenei Waifus, or Pandaren

>>50512770
But it wouldn't be Arthas, it would be Arthas fused with Ner'zhul. And Ner'zhul was always, ALWAYS shit.

And Arthas' bants weren't THAT good anyway.

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>>50512259
>>50512387
>>50512472
>>50512732

Who let the Horde Dindu Nuffin crowd in here?

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>>50513964
But the Tauren legitimately did nothing wrong. They have always been the moral anchors of the Horde.

>>50513999
That basically means they playing see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil to rest of the horde's kill, maim, burn.

>>50512195
>to add to this, is there even any note worthy troll to take Vol'jins place?
Rokhan, Master Gadrin or Vanira.

None of them will ever matter though, so don't get your hopes up.

>>50514044

They didn't go along with Garrosh, and they were kind of kept away from most of the other examples I can think of. They're living in a semi-medieval world, remember? A lot of stuff in the setting's "reality" is a lot more inconvenient than it's made for the players' sake. Travel between the continents by boat or zeppelin isn't really instant like it is in WoW, things like portals are only available from the most powerful magic users, and goblin/gnome technology is unreliable and isn't mass-made.

If you check your murderhobo privilege, you'd realize that there aren't big infrastructures for travel or communication or news like we live with, not for the common people of Azeroth. The vast majority of the tauren populace would have only a vague idea of things happening in the eastern kingdoms, and that filtered through the people who travel over and back there, i.e. people in the army, mostly. They wouldn't have much awareness of anything that happened in northrend or pandaria, or outland or draenor, and even that wouldn't be until after everything important had gone down. I mean, how much awareness do you have of all the nonsense your nation and its allies are getting up to, elsewhere in the world? And that's WITH all the technological advantages you have.

Their big leaders are aware of those things, of course, but they have their own moral dilemmas to fret over.

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>>50513964
>>50514044

We already discussed this on all the other 666 threads...

Orcs were barbarian cunts before the demons, Thrall Horde was fine and Garrosh Horde were Nazi cunts...

We already discussed all minor details and how both factions did shit on Vanilla. We all are ok with Vanilla lore, except Alliance crybabies that still have a huge butthurt...

And for all things on Cataclysm and beyond, well, we just live with that... The lore was awful beyond that part and dont matter what you like on lore.... Taurens could not say shit on Garrosh Horde and we all know that....everyone lost with Kosaks lore... except furries...

>>50514441

>We all are ok with Vanilla lore, except Alliance crybabies that still have a huge butthurt.

>dindu pushing in the year of the lord 2016

Come on now. Vanilla had the warsong invading ashenvale while thrall was moping about muh pees.

>>50514493
>Come on now. Vanilla had the warsong invading ashenvale while thrall was moping about muh pees.

And Vanilla also had the Stormpike invading Alterac because muh imperialism.

No really, the Dwarves were literally out for blood because of their "sovereign imperialistic imperative".

>>50514586

Yeah, after the frostwolves massacred a bunch of unarmed prospectors.

Also, ashenvale was nigth elf territory for like 15.000 years, the frostwolves were just squatting in the ruins of a collapsed human kingdom.Its not equal and interchangeable.

>>50513505
>>50513574
>>50513631

We shouldn't have factions that bunches of races are locked to if we can't get more of them. At the least, we should have had FOUR factions from Vanilla onward to properly handle its races.

But we didn't. We got two. And the situation got worse as the game went on. The faction system beign locked in also means we can't get shifts like the Blood Elves quitting the Horde or seeing the Alliance actually make serious progress against the Forsaken up north. And the faction warfare got us the train wreck that is Garrosh.

>>50513671

Having a treason system for the factions or letting the player have more ways to really aid the parent faction's rivals would be dandy. You could even make the player always start neutral and select which factions to aid.

>>50514493
They were "attacking" the trees, not the NE... until the conflict escalated...

We already discussed that too, even the peace attempt to solve this with trade.

>>50514628
Humans on the horde....

Maybe the syndicate members would be the closest thing possible.... but nah, this idea will never work.

>>50514636

They are not attacking the trees in vanilla, are you stupid? All the NPCs are talking about conquering lands for the horde and there is an escort quest about attacking a silverwing building.

>>50514626
>Yeah, after the frostwolves massacred a bunch of unarmed prospectors.

And the Night Elves killed a bunch of unarmed peons.

>>50512640
Scourge would be the "evil" faction so they wouldn't have to make the Horde go full retard to justify faction conflict.

>>50514683
>They were "attacking" the trees, not the NE... until the conflict escalated...
>until the conflict escalated...
>until the conflict escalated...
>until the conflict escalated...

>>50514683
That happened after diplomacy failed though. By the time the player got there the conflict had already started

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>>50508782
Anyone put much thought into running a game based in Gadgetzan?

A whole lot of shit you could do with it.

You have the three crime factions, which have just enough definition in them that you can easily slot in your own ideas without them feeling out of place. You have pirate bootleggers who run the docks, you have the Caverns of Time, Uldum, and Zul'Farrak on your doorstep. You have Sergaent Sally who is apparently a one-woman Judge Dredd that appeared from nowhere. You have nearly EVERY SINGLE RACE in the game represented in some form, even the fucking Gorens from WoD.

>>50514702
We dont need bad vs good to have a faction conflict.

The nice thing about Vanilla it was no one was tecnically right or wrong, that was a very mature approach for a conflict on a fantasy world...

My idea for a fourth war: Stromgarde could still exists as a nation, Horde presence here could make things difficult to commerce... (we already have a battleground there)

Stromgarde, nobles and rich people on general would push Varian to a war just because money.. yeah.. normally these guys would have a lot of power on nobility because you cant govern without money... the population would push too, because the Horde is a bunch of freaking monsters and no way on their mind it would be possible to make peace with Orcs and zombies..

Hell, on medieval times people even thought that barbarian tribes would not be Human, think of what they would think about the Horde...

Meanwhile Orcs still hate humans and would push Thrall to war too, he still would try to make things works but both he and Jaina would fail, of course... Garrosh could step in and try to actually be a leader instead of antagonizing everyone..

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>>50511562
Do you remember all the bi-curious goth chicks in the 90's that appeared after The Craft came out? It was a glorious time.

>>50514699

They attcked grom and his orcish army first and another invading orcish army and its forsaken allies seeking to poison sleeping druids in vanilla.

>>50514755

No shit? But there is no way you could spin horde didnu nuffin out of it. They are agressors, clear and simple.

>>50514673

Tell that to Thrall's human spy.

They should have made factions with increasing degrees of association between them.

Have the core alliance of humans, dwarves, gnomes and high elf refugees(to avoid de-feralizing night elves) and the core horde of orc, trolls, tauren and possibly ogres. Then you could freely go and add other factions. Night elves for example would refuse to do anything with the horde and quickly develop more and more links with the alliance but they are accepting tauren. The dranenei want to be good terms with everyone but they revile anything and anyone associating with orcs and declare them anathema The furbolgs only tolerate night elves and attack everyone on sight, maybe they will extend the same courtesy to other allies of the night elves. The goblins are neutral but because of their long-term ties to the horde they associate with them more often. Dalaran is officially neutral but in truth they are supplying the alliance with mages and summoned water in return for the forsaken attacks on their territory.

Both major factions seek out minors and seek to develop ties, maybe they can be playable races later. Forest trolls, ogres, alterac remnants trying to resurrect the old pact, arakkoa and lost ones in BC. The alliance does the same, enrolling furbolgs, grimtotem defectors, maybe even quillboar itching for a rematch with the orcs, broken and sporefuckers in BC etc.

Then you could have plontlines through several expansions courting and eventually making sub-races like taunka, dork irons, wildhammers, mag'har and the like playable. Or maybe even have a system where long and hard questlines make rare minor races unlockable. I would resub in heartbeat if I could play a tuskarr survival hunter with a bone spear, an ethereal mage, a dark iron warrior in black and red doomplate of highest craftsdwafship, menacing with spikes of dark iron, or a wildhammer enhancement shaman in a kilt

>>50514702
But the Horde didn't go full retard to justify faction conflict, the Horde went full retard because Kosak liked it better when the Horde was full retard (IE Warcraft 2).

And what I meant by plot contrivance is that the writers would have to keep coming up with reasons that the factions wouldn't wipe each other out. With the Horde and the Alliance it gets a bit stupid, but at least you can understand that they're hestitant to commit genocide (and yes, I know Garrosh and Sylvanas didn't care, but the rest of the factions did). With the Scourge there would be no pulling punches like that, 'cause why the hell would you? They certainly wouldn't.

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What do you guys think of the official story forums? Are they as insufferable as I think they are?

Bonus:

Opinions on Scrolls of Lore, and MMO-C lore forum

>>50514839
I'd love a game with a party being a team of vigilanties, like Daredevil, Punisher, Batman or Green Arrow.

>>50515220

The thing is, no one would have minded if the horde goes hardcore again. Just write it well and stop this schizophrenic dindu shit when they want to be peaceful shamans and brutal warmongers the same time.

Make Thrall into a tragic character, who tried to fight for peace and change the ways of the horde but realize too late he is trying to enfoce human culture on orcs and they were never peaceful shamans. Then Garrosh or some other nig orc kills him in a duel but as a new warchief forbids anyone to talk shit about Thrall, Afterall, he is the liberator of the horde and died for his beliefs as a true orc would.

Then the great chimpout can commence and maybe down the line muh honor orcs may actually realize that there was something in what Thrall preached and it turns out while orcs were never peaceful, in time they may learn to mellow out and cooperate. Maybe even learn to fight alongside the alliance who they grew to see as worthy and honorable opponents.

>>50514493
>Come on now. Vanilla had the warsong invading ashenvale
They didn't they just holded Warsong camp in Ashenvale.

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>>50515220

> And what I meant by plot contrivance is that the writers would have to keep coming up with reasons that the factions wouldn't wipe each other out. With the Horde and the Alliance it gets a bit stupid, but at least you can understand that they're hestitant to commit genocide (and yes, I know Garrosh and Sylvanas didn't care, but the rest of the factions did). With the Scourge there would be no pulling punches like that, 'cause why the hell would you? They certainly wouldn't.

Make Ner'zhul the dominant piece of the Lich King or at least make him more prominent. Arthas being the Lich King only came about in WotLK.

The Scourge going on a rampage against the Alliance and Horde post-WC3 might be something Arthas would do, but Ner'zhul? He got shanghaied into becoming the Lich King and from his transformation on was working under the Dreadlords' watch. Post-WC3, the new Lich King could focus more on rebuilding from Illidan's invasion, fighting the Legion, and maybe even look to travel out of Azeroth.

>>50515506

And talking about conquering new lands and having quests about killing night elves. Please stop this dindu shit already. What do you even gain from trying to defend something undefendable?

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WTF I love Nathanos now

>>50515220
> yes, I know Garrosh and Sylvanas didn't care, but the rest of the factions did

The orcs supported Garrosh because they liked him, he represented their beliefs and desires. The entire idea of claiming Azeroth for the horde and exterminating the lesser races? That was popular among orcs. They liked that sort of thing. And orcs still made up the main body of the horde, the other races were significantly less numerous.

On the whole, the horde wasn't just okay with committing genocide, they actively wanted to. Remember, Thrall isn't representative of orcs. He wasn't raised as an orc. If you want a better example of the orc's orc, look at Grom. Even in WC3, he was more than willing to drink demon blood and command that his clan do the same, knowing exactly what would happen if he did. And when Thrall orders him to stay away from the humans who have landed in Kalimdor? He goes "I can wait no longer! The humans must be slaughtered!" and runs off to attack in defiance of Thrall's orders.

Garrosh is just carrying on that legacy, one that remains very popular among orcs because that is what most orcs desire. They want genocide, they have pretty consistently throughout the entire franchise.

>>50515549
> Quest to kill things on a military conflict
> OMG THEY ARE SO EVIL... YOU ARE DEFENDING THE UNDEFENDABLE

Please stop with this autism.

>>50503215
Better Lore: HS'

>Medivh's a party animal
>The Lich King is now the Lich Command in Chief and commands the Death Policemen of the Azeroth Police Deparment
>Noggenfogger is the mayor of gadgetzan after buying it
>And the old gods won

>>50515703
Don't forget-

>THE LIGHT PURGES
>The League of Explorers are important
>C'Thun confirmed for saying "hi" like a Paladin
>Anduin knows Shadowform
>No DH's, Monks, or DK's

>>50515786

>Light's hope chapel is defended by Ragnaros, Lightlord weiling Holyfury
>Bolvar sending his DKs to upkeep peace wherever they go, and they're basically judge dredd's little brothers
>Monks basically become the yakuza

>>50515786
>>C'Thun confirmed for saying "hi" like a Paladin
wat

>>50515894
"Well meet!"

>>50515703
Noggenfogger is the mayor of Gadgetzan in WoW as well. He had a bunch of lines during the demon invasion.

Gadgedzan becoming a big lawless port town after Cataclysm is cool, and I wish they'd add that to WoW as well.

>>50516043
And Bolvar is sending out the DKs to be basically world police (badly).

>>50510874
>Horde would have Orgrimmar and Thunder Bluff, and Alliance would have Stormwind and Ironforge.
Nah, it'd have to be Orgrimmar and something to replace UC and Darnassus and Stormwind/IF, to keep the continents balanced. The Scourge would need a city on Kalimdor too. I guess in Felwood?

>>50516211
>Scourge, the will of the one true king
Main cities: Naxxramas (portals in both EK and Kalimdor)

>>50515786
>>50515703

You know the old god expansion was supposed to be a look into another timeline, right?

>>50515390
>Make Thrall into a tragic character, who tried to fight for peace and change the ways of the horde but realize too late he is trying to enfoce human culture on orcs and they were never peaceful shamans.

See, the disconnect between nu-horde shamanism and old draenor shamanism actually makes a lot of sense.

All of the new shamanism, see, comes through Drek'Thar. He was the only old shaman left, and he was a blind cripple who had to learn humility and letting other people take care of him and not going into battle, so of course his brand of shamanism was the nice peaceful one, comparatively speaking (I mean, he's still an orc), compounded by the fact he's a Frostwolf, who are one of the nicer orc clans because they have to be able to put up with each other when they huddle against the cold. All of the other, more brutal shamanistic traditions of the orcs were totally wrecked, there was no-one left to bring them forward. Plus, if Thrall's experience on Draenor was anything to go by, Drek'Thar had to re-learn how to talk to the elements on Azeroth, and they probably demand a different flavor of shamanism as well.

Then, on top of this, the new horde went over to kalimdor, and they ran into the tauren, who have a much broader and more solid shamanistic tradition than Thrall and Drek'Thar's freshly remade one. So, the orcs sucked up the tauren traditions (hey, remember when WoW shaman used to all use tauren totems?) which were, again, much nicer more friendly benevolent ones, and that's how you get nu-horde shamanism.

I mean, you had the darkspear trolls as well, but I'm not sure any of their old shamans really survived the island explosion, either.

... You know, with the orc and troll population being what could fit on a few boats, and the unification of the tauren tribes, and the forsaken only joining later... there would have been a point in time where the population of the Horde was like, 80% tauren.

>>50516043
>Gadgedzan becoming a big lawless port town after Cataclysm is cool, and I wish they'd add that to WoW as well.

They might do it in the future. I notice Noggenfogger is sitting on a big pile of gold in the rogue order hall, even though Gadgetzan got canonically invaded by huge burning demons during the Legion pre-launch.

Perhaps Noggenfogger took out a big insurance police on Gadgetzan, and now he's collected it and is going to rebuild Gadgetzan to be huge.

>>50517202
Noggy should take better care of his shit.

I found his "lucky coin" on a fuckin Suramar guard. Maybe he used it to bribe the guy or something.

>>50516986
Yes, but shush.

>>50509510
This. A third faction with naga, blood elves and real draenei.

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>>50508782
>Why is Kun the Forgotten King cool with Aya siphoning his soul to power her golems

How could he refuse dat ass tho?

>>50509510
The Blood Elf campaign made me fall in love with both the Warcraft version of elves and the Alliance in general.

Never played during BC and WotLK but I've always hated what they did with both Arthas, Sylvanas and the Blood Elves in general. Didn't like the fact that they put in Chocobos as the racial mount and wish that the Dragonhawks actually look like what they do from the WC3 art and model.

Also, BC was the last and only chance for Blizz to put in a 3rd faction.

>>50508795
>>50509347
I actually remember an old fan fiction about this topic from years and years ago. It was really long and entertaining. It started with Kael'thas and Arthas hating each other over a fight they had while Lordaeron was aiding Quel'thalas against the trolls. Jaina was originally involved with Kael'thas but dumped him for Arthas, and he was still obsessed with her afterward.

I can't recall the name and unfortunately I think it got taken down...

>>50515602
Nathanos is a giant fucking beta orbiter cuck in Stormheim. I can't wait until Bolvar makes him and his maggot infested waifu bend the knee

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>they brought back Illidan
>they won't bring back Arthas

It hurts, bros...

>>50519719
This is BC 2 just wait till WotLK 2 they'll bring him back just like they did Illidan.

>>50519987
Isn't Illidan bought back just for sargaras to possess his body or something?

Is it agreed WoD was just a lazy advertisement for the movie?

>>50520107
that's what it ended up being. If they didn't cut half the content because "muh yearly expansions" then it probably would have been pretty good
>inb4 hurr durr dindus and MMOchamp

>>50520107
The movie had about nothing to do with WoD apart from partially playing on Draenor and being based on the Warcraft franchise, mate.

Also don't you dare dissing that film, friendo. I love it to fucking death and I won't have you throw it in the same pile of garbage that is WoD.

>if you play through Legion as a non-nelf druid, satyrs yell "will the night elves mourn you, I wonder?" at you when you aggro them
the fluff for classes in Legion is pretty cool desu. If only they got their balance right

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>>50515617
Thrall isn't a typical orc, but neither was Grom. In case you'd forgotten, the very next cutscene after the mission you mentioned he admits that he fucked up and that the demon blood is growing stronger. In the Ashenvale mission even his own grunts tell him that what he's doing is a bad idea. That's the whole point of the character, that he embodies those traits that the orcs are trying to leave behind.

And as for Garrosh, considering how many dead and imprisoned orcs are found in SoO, he clearly didn't appeal to -every- orc. Hell, even as early as Cataclysm, as terrible as it was, there were quests that showed orcs that were worried about the culture Garrosh and his followers were creating. You didn't see it all that often, because his biggest supporters were the military, which is obviously going to have a larger presence on the front lines.

Although I much preferred orcs the way they were written from Warcraft 3 to The Burning Crusade, so I'm not gonna defend Kosak's retardation of them TOO much. Fuck that guy.

>>50513963
>And Arthas' bants weren't THAT good anyway.
t. buttblasted Kael.

>>50518716
Funny, most of the fanfiction I've seen involving those three are gay smut.

I would say it makes more sense for the bad blood to come from those campaigns against the trolls that Arthas earned his stripes in. But that happened when he was 16 or so, and the way he talks about being in Silvermoon when he was a child makes me think he was closer to 8 or 10.

>>50515602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTtSlQfSsQY
1 live "Warchief", 1 live left.

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>>50508782
My question is why does evil draenei waifu not have a card

>>50521781
why didn't she just kill him?

I know she lost the mcguffin, but he's right there.

>>50521817
Because it's Sylvanas, she cannot kill anyone since WC3.

>>50521800
Kabal Crystalrunner m8

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>>50508782
>90% of decks that run Wrathion are priest decks
BLACKED

>>50521547
In the one I’m remembering, nobody was gay. When you say ‘involving those three’ do you mean at the same time? If Kael’thas and Arthas are having gay sex with eachother then what is Jaina even doing in that kind of fan fiction… I’ve come across Kael’thas with Illidan and Jaina with Sylvanas but not any gay Arthas.

Yeah I agree that their dislike probably began there. I’m interested now, when does Arthas talk about being in Silvermoon?

>>50521951
>when does Arthas talk about being in Silvermoon?
the first of the Scourge campaign where you fight the elves
>glorious, eternal Quel'thalas. I haven't been here since I was a boy

>>50513448
>>50513764
But that's good story. We don't get good stories.

>>50521988
Oh right. Thanks!

>>50521951
Search Arthas on fanfiction.net there were four there with Arthas/Kael slash on the front page when I last checked a while ago (read last year).

Jainia is usually listed as a main character, although I imagine she is only there to try and break the happy couple up.

>>50521988
This is it. Think it's mission 4.

Its funny that the best stories on that website involving Arthas seem to be Arthas/ Sylvanas one's though, usually involving hate sex between the two of them.

>>50520055
He's back because of fanboyism and regret over BCs shitty story. But yes, his body is being used to supposedly host Sargeras.

>>50522073
So does that mean the character is back or is he just a meat puppet? I quit after the first week, so all this stuff seems so weird.

Never really got the appeal of either of the two Stormrage brothers. Maiev was easily the best hero the Night Elves had in WC3.

All I really want is for Arthas and Kel'Thurzard to have one last conversation talking about how incompetent everyone on Azeroth is before going on to mock the shit out of everyone.

I'm also really disappointed that Wrath lacked anything to show that Arthas did actually consider KT and to a much lesser extent Anub'arak as friends.

>>50519719

Meh, Arthas went downhill in WotLK anyway. Going from Blizzard's track record they'd foul up harder somehow.

>>50522055
Okay well I'm having a drink and going down the Arthas and Kael'thas gay fan fiction rabbit hole, farewell...

>>50522229
post if you find any Arthas x Sylvanas smut. I'm a sucker for that stuff.

>>50522158

>I'm also really disappointed that Wrath lacked anything to show that Arthas did actually consider KT and to a much lesser extent Anub'arak as friends.

The Lore that focused on the Scourge after WC3 sweeped away the camaderie among its leaders and their troops we saw in it. Anub'arak was turned into a bitter slave in the short story about Kel'thuzad's past (and the short story had Kel'thuzad shanghaied into the Scourge when he showed doubt). Sylvanas was never a fan to begin wih. And Arthas himself in his book was gritting his teeth at having to follow Ner'zhul's orders and had contempt for his subjects.

When the smoke clears, it looks like only Kel'thuzad got with the Scourge Program. And the other Scourge commanders treated him like a pest (Sylvanas) or just a goon who's kept around for how handy he is (Arthas).

>>50522606
See I think that kills a lot of the appeal of the Scourge heroes. Half the fun came from the fact that Arthas and Kel were merciless bastards, and they got on tremendously well together.

Plus you have bits like the part where Arthas says he's not going to let his subjects be killed by rebel scum. Those little bits added a great deal of charm to what is otherwise, a generic zombie army.

>>50517162
>
I mean, you had the darkspear trolls as well, but I'm not sure any of their old shamans really survived the island explosion, either

Even if they didn't their spirits were still able to be summoned and could have taught the next generation. I mean Sen'Jin become a Loa after his death. Death is pretty meaningless for Trolls which is why I expect Vol'Jin to reappear in some form or another before the end of Legion.

>>50522346
Will do... I'm currently skim-reading one where Arthas and Kael'thas are both trying their damnedest to have sex with Jaina, and there is ocasional weird hostile homoeroticism between them. It's very explicit...

>>50522818
You're a braver man than I.

>>50522346
Hate Perfected is a good chuckle. Not really smutty but quite funny none the less.

>>50522860
Okay I won't lie, I'm into it.

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>tfw one of my greatest desires is for the towns and cities in WoW to be larger and more realistic
>tfw it can only happen with a WoW 2

really sick of 2 building "towns"

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>>50523823

imagine if it was like this scale

60-70% of npcs would simply be there for flavor, but it would add to it being a bustling port town with a lord's castle

>>50522671
The Undead campaign in TFT was a masterpiece. I can't think of a level that wasn't incredibly fun.

>>50524121
Exactly it was a comfy adventure romp through a a fascinating setting, including fighting faceless horrors from beneath the earth.

In contrast to the legacy of damnation which was an inversion of the Human campaign. And an interesting look at a dark Arthurian tale.

I see looking at Wowpedia the reason why they switched the voice actors for a lot of the Scourge in WOW was because they thought keeping the guy from WC3 would be too confusing to players.

Do you all think this is part of the issues with the lore? A constant need to dumb it all down for people who probably don't read the quest text in the first place?

>>50524172
>the reason why they switched the voice actors for a lot of the Scourge in WOW was because they thought keeping the guy from WC3 would be too confusing to players.
I don't get it. How would that be confusing at all?

>>50524172
>I see looking at Wowpedia the reason why they switched the voice actors for a lot of the Scourge in WOW was because they thought keeping the guy from WC3 would be too confusing to players.
They changed Arthas' VA because they didn't want to pay the original guy more than peanuts, so he declined. They changed Kel's VA because he was given the voice of the Lich King, in addition to already voicing Uther. Kel only had a bit role in Wrath anyway.

I have no idea why they changed the voices of Sylvanas and Anub'arak, though. But then, Blizzard has never seemed to care about voice actors. IIRC they would have swapped Raynor's VA for SC2 too, except the fanbase threatened to riot.

>>50524294
>>50524304

Because he would be voicing too many people I guess. I just saw it as I was looking up Mr Bigglesworth earlier.

Didn't know that there was an issue with pay. Guess that's the nature of a corporate company though.

>>50523823
I didn't hate the movie, but upon hearing the director talk about how the small scale of the World was one of it's strengths and something he wanted to preserve, I suddenly really, really don't want a sequel

>>50524304
>they would have swapped Raynor's VA for SC2 too, except the fanbase threatened to riot.
Absolute madmen

the places looked pretty big in the movie.

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>>50521945
Wranduin is CANON! CANON!

>>50523823
Does Suramar count?

>>50524304
>They changed Kel's VA because he was given the voice of the Lich King, in addition to already voicing Uther.
That was Micheal McConnohie, he did the voices for Kel, Uther and Lich King in WC3 and covered Kel's voice in Vanilla Naxxramas.
They just wanted to give Kel a fresh voice because players were going to hear a lot of him as Lich King and wanted to make sure his diction was distinct.
But can't keep a good voice down and was back in the next expansion as Deathwing.

>>50524304
I like the new Illidan voice, i love WC3 more as a game, but Illidans old voice is one of the few things that didn't click for me.

>>50523823
To be fair, every town gets attacked by some apocalyptic threat about every other year or so. It's no wonder there's not a lot of buildings left standing.

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>>50521800
>>50521848

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>>50524881
>Kabal produces mana crystals so tempting that they get either Eredar working for them, or they succeeded in corrupting a Draenei to the point of him willingly empowering demons.

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>>50524881

>>50524897
>tfw no mana addicted Sargerei hos

Even without the new mean streets of Gadgetzan fluff, I feel like goblin towns in general are the most interesting places to set, or at least start, Warcraft campaigns

They're the cultural melting pots of the world

>>50524965
What about, you all meet on the operating table of a necropolis, the greasy, pox marred face of a necromancer peering at you with feverish eyes as he struggles to decide what manner of horrors to visit on you.

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So in the hypothetical scenario where Old Gods actually /do/ successfully corrupt a Titan World-Soul, what do the Old Gods do after the Void Titan wakes up?

Do they just sort of sit there now that they have no further purpose?

>>50525178
I assume they either get absorbed into it or end up basically being tickbirds for the void titan

>>50524995
>joining the glorious Scourge war machine
>horror

>>50524304
Can't stand Sylvanas' new voice. It hurts my earballs.

Doesn't bother me as much as the new Outsider in Dishonored 2.

>>50526154
>GREYMANE'S FORCES HOLD THIS WARDEN TOWER
>BREAK THEIR RANKS. SHOW NO MERCY
just because you're dead doesn't mean the rest of us don't have ears bitch. Calm down

>>50506562
well, there also hasn't been any new content in quite some time.

>>50518869
Can't wait either.

>BOLVUR Y U TAEK MUH PRISONER!1
>Killed and raised you once slut, don't make me do it again.

>>50524881
I find it almost arodable: There's this group of refugees of an alien species that has spent millennia living on the verge of extinction and Hearthstone somehow manages to make them integrate so well into Azeroth's society that there's individuals of that group joining with an illegal society of mana druglords.

If their background were only just a tiny bit less special snowflake and a bit more average joe guy, Draenei would have been the best thing since sliced bread.

>tfw all the best races have hooves
>TFW I realise my furry phase isn't entirely over

Time to get intot he flagellation pod.

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>>50527241
Draenei aren't almost adorable, they're adorable as fuck

so did the draenei actually have one or two dimensional fleets? the tempest keep arrives on outland way later than oshu'gun so they probably weren't traveling at the same speed, how's that work?

>>50524410

Duncan Jones was shit I didn't like his movie. I hope he never works on the Warcraft franchise again.

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>>50527279
>tfw no cute Draenei waifu and daughteru

>>50527313
Tempest Keep was brought to Outland by M'uru, who Kael'thas captured and sent to Silvermoon

>>50527241
>>50527279
>>50527615
>ywn get kidnapped by a band of draenei and used as a breeding tool to keep their population up
jdimsa

>>50511872
We could just have those two buddy deathknights, Thassarian and Koltira. They seem like they'd have plenty of snark to spare when they're together

>>50527718
>Implying draenei would ever corrupt their genes with impure Titan GOLEM DNA

Anons, little questions:

I wanna do an old wc3 like rpg, mostly as an follow up to an ancient campaign I had made years ago the players been wanting to cotinue

So where can I get the rpg books? My copies of the old wc3 ones were given to my best player and I dont have time to ask him for it to give a look at.

Also, where could I put the blueberry space goats at? I would prefer being a purist, but people seens to not be able to livewithout their space waifus anymore.

>>50515242
The people who post there either have mediocre ideas they think are cool and want to share, retards who take the lore too seriously without knowing it, and a handful of regulars who actually bring up new topics and discuss things.

>>50527771
>Also, where could I put the blueberry space goats at? I would prefer being a purist, but people seens to not be able to livewithout their space waifus anymore.
somewhere irrelevant enough for them to take awhile to be found, like in BC

>>50527771
>Also, where could I put the blueberry space goats at? I would prefer being a purist, but people seens to not be able to livewithout their space waifus anymore.

Illidan's harem chamber seems like a good spot.

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>>50527718
Draenei are too nice to kidnap anybody. They'd just ask nicely for you to helpt hem. But since who could say note to cute blue semen-demons, they'd still end up accidentally stealing all the human men.

>>50515013
On the Horde side said Forsaken are never mentioned.
So they acted on their own. Like the shitton of Kul Tiras soldiers in Durotan and the Barrens in vanilla...

Stop being a crybaby, you only reinforce the somewhat true meme of vanilla Alliance players.

>>50527767
>Titan
>Not pure
U BETTER DELET URSELF.

>>50517162
He was not the only one left. Far Seers are a thing...

>>50528120
The purest force in the universe is light. Titans are born of arcane, which however orderly, is as impure as its antithesis the fel.

>>50528103

>horde agents helped by horde players develop a horde superweapon in a horde capital to genocide all humans oversaw by a horde flagged fucking dreadlord
>forsaken go out of their way to invade every neighboring human kingdom under a horde flag, seek to genocide humans off hillsbrad, travel to ashenvale to poison defenseless sleeping druids and even active in the poisoning business duskwood of all places

>dur why ebil racis' alliance hates the horde

You can like the horde, their stories, their architecture and stuff, I prefer them to the alliance too because they are just more interesting, but defending their horribly written and hypocritical action is just shitposting by definition.

>>50527992

Refugees secluded away in Azuremyst and Shattrath's Aldor tier, maybe in Auchindoun and some refugees is Teledor. You are not going to meet them unless you go out of your way to seach for them and trusted enough.

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>>50528258
Anon, the Eredar are literally THE race when it comes to arcane. That's what attracted the legion in the first place.

Also, didn't Metzen or someone from the dev team say that racial interbreeding is only possible when both participants are creations of the titans, implying that both orcs and eredar have a titanic heritage?

If that is true, does that mean that we can create the ultimate masterrace while solving the population problems of both best races? They already have the same skeleton anyways...

>>50528399
>travel to ashenvale to poison defenseless sleeping druids
I keep seeing this mentioned over and over, but I have no memory of such quest in vanilla.

>>50528485
>Anon, the Eredar are literally THE race when it comes to arcane. That's what attracted the legion in the first place.
this. Those ungrateful fucks would be nothing without based Thal'kiel

>If that is true, does that mean that we can create the ultimate masterrace while solving the population problems of both best races? They already have the same skeleton anyways...
might get complicated when there are only male mogu

>>50513505
why does every thread turn into "well /tg/, what would you change in wow?"
And of course, the first thing everyone says is "LET ME CHANGE THE FACTIONS AND REWRITE THE SAME 2-3 EVENTS IN GENERIC WAYS. AREN'T I CLEVER?"

>>50528485
Unlikely, given that the Elves are Arcane-mutated Trolls, which were not a Titan-Forged affected with Curse of Flesh, can cross-breed with humans.

>>50528529
That's right, they're trolls mutated by titanic order energy.

>>50528561
>>50528485
Well, there is one problem with Eredar: they reached their Arcane wielding potential thanks to crystal that became Ata'mal Crystals, and it was left with them by the Naaru, which caused their uplifting.

>>50528489

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Dor%27Danil_Barrow_Den

>>50528621

The thing is with draenei magic, they dont use its like polymorph-and-fireball wizards in point hats. They use it through artificers and magitek and their shit is so advanced its hard to separate where they end.

>>50524563
>Vampire

Hey what are vampires in WoW exactly? And how do they differ from the norm?

>>50528689
Well, there's the Darkfallen, and apparently Vrykul were originally supposed to be vampires?

>>50528689
the Darkfallen are supposed to be vampires, but it's not explained and only manifests through weird boss mechanics. Otherwise you have blood death knights, who use the same magic as the Darkfallen to heal themselves and create magical barriers against damage

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>>50528744
>Vrykul were originally supposed to be vampires?

It was an early concept which got scrapped. I think they were described as tall vampiric vikings. But there are vampire vrykul in Legion though.

>>50528824

Vrykul lore was so great, mainly because there was such much good shit subtly hidden behind the BIG VIKING DUDE thing.

>>50528258
ONE ON ONE ME YOU FUCKING KEK.
I'LL FUCKING WREKT UP.
I DON'T TO SEE YOU SPACE GOTES IN MY VALHALAEVER AGAIN.

>>50528783
>Otherwise you have blood death knights, who use the same magic as the Darkfallen to heal themselves and create magical barriers against damage
my favourite part of death knight design is how their class specializations combine to embody the perfection of the Scourge
>Frost: the cold dark of Icecrown Glacier, and the icy power of the Frozen Throne that binds the Lich King's servants to him
>Unholy: the insidious plagues that sicken and kill the living, and the necromancy that raises them in the glory of the One True King
>Blood: the reminder that even the power of life itself serves in his name, sapping the strength of the living who still cling to petty resistance, and bolstering his greatest champions to be nearly immune to damage

Scourge pride worldwide
gas the living, 5th war now

>>50518710
Blizzard is far too pragmatic for any of that. First of all they wanted to bring Palas to horde, shamans to alliance for raid balance. So making a 3rd faction would require either giving those classes to already existing races (which they didnt feel like doing yet) or making new races to the 2 factions in addition to the new races required for the 3rd faction. Then there is the problem of logistics. How would the bloodelves get to hillsbrad after the ghostlands (which would be the next logical stop for a 3way fight land)? Where would their quest hub be? Let alone that you would have to make space for all the other starter zones. And why? Blizzard wouldnt want to bother with that headache.

No they couldve made it all smoother by changing the forsaken and bloodelves. Sylvanas would feel some lingering allegiance to the bloodelves as ex-high elf and try to remove the last scourge from the lands and restore the sunwell. And look for a way to turn back to living elf. The bloodelves meanwhile would try to rebuild and help the forsaken.

>>50529490

Same classes for everyone was a huge fuckup. Even tauren druids were a stretch in vanilla. There should have been 2-3 unique classes for both factions. Warlocks/shamans for the horde, paladins/druids for the alliance. Or they could have added minor unlockable factions if you reeaaaallly wanted an alliance shaman. Like grinding up a character to exalted with a furbolg tribe then do a ball bustingly hard questline so you could roll a furbolg shaman with a -55% experience malus. A max level off-faction character would be a huge prestige thing.

>>50529113
Like what?
So far, they've been impossibly stereotypical Vikings.

>>50530058
Tauren sun druids, lmao, paladins.
What were they thinking?

>>50530146
>blizzard
>thinking

Choose 1 and only 1.

>>50530135

>he didnt do the quests WHY they are stereotypical vikings NOW

>Orcs take demon deal to kill off the dranei off drenor
>Orcs are called to Azoroth for the soul purpose of killing off the human race
>orcs fail and are taken in
>Orcs go to Kalamdor, to take lands for themselves
>They want to exploit the woods, so they take another demonic deal to murder the Night Elf locals Demigod
>Contune to take Night elven lands and make Garrosh Warchief
>Garrosh, a seemingly non-corrupted orc wants to wipe out humanity and finish the job witht he dranei

Explain to me how the Horde are the good guys
Also don't give me any of the "Thrall World Protector" crap, because mediev showed us how that goes wrong fast

>>50530261
Seriously they reject the light and thus the light reject them. They don't even respect the lands, shamanism isn't about preservation or balance like druidism, its about harnessing the elements for power

Purge those greenskins. I mean at least trolls have a case since they were here first but orcs are litteral alien invaders who want nothing but the destruction of mankind

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>>50518679
>that pic

unf

>>50530374
agreed, we need more Aya

>>50530261
Orcs are like Men in LotR, while Humans are like Elves. The men are prone to corruption, but have the potential for goodness. It makes them more interesting.

But mostly I just defend the Horde because I play tauren.

>>50530401
And I only play if for the blood elves
One day they will have peace with their kin again
One day

>>50530261
>>50530290

Cause blizzard couldn't decide if they want a redemption story or a warmonger horde so they compromised on a shitty mashup that only led to dindus, hypocrites and pure fanboyism. Kosak waifuing sylvanas completely destroyed her and the forsaken as a faction. They are so CLEARLY villains they couldnt be more evil by kicking puppies and grinding fat giggling babies into sausages but he STILL keeps going on with his whole "they are just misudnerstood" shit

>>50518679
>>50518679

I need sauce please

>>50530416
We need Lor'themar, Baine, and Saurfang in charge. Sylvanas is worse than Garrosh .

>>50530261
Blizzard is afraid that the casual part of the Horde's playerbase couldn't handle being bad guys so Horde is doomed to be composed from dindus and misunderstood victims.

Dyou guys think we'll see more of the Nightborne after the Nighthold business is done?

esp Elisande and Thalyssra, unf

>>50527749
Koltira is such a badass. Guy was tortured by Sylvanas for years and barely noticed. Probably slept through half of it

>>50530519
Speaking of which, are there any other Mages that do the time wizardry that those two do?

The PC can sorta do it with Time Warp, but those shenanigans seem mostly the realm of the bronzies.

>>50530481
artist unknown, if you go to e621.net and type in warcraft, there's only like 2 drawings of her

>>50530501
Yeah, Baine as Warchief, Lor'themar as main diplomat and advisor and Saurfang as top general.

>>50530628
Whatever the faction that has mortals serving the Bronze Dragonflight but they weren't really shown using time magic.

>>50530260
How so smarty panties?

>>50530261
Again this "muh ashenvale sobsob"

All this bias is boring....

I am okay with Cenarius attacking a outland civilization that reeks fel energy but all this shit just continued by pure autism and because they wanted the ANE on the Alliance side.

But we already discussed all this. WTF we are talking about this again?

Its like a infinite loop. And it is not like the Ashevale is actually important at all, Tyrand just gave it to the orcs after SOO.

The Horde are not the good guys, neither it was the Alliance on Vanilla, thats why the lore got downhil faster..

>>50531194
Jaina go back to sucking thralls cock like the whore you are

>>50531194
>The Horde are not the good guys, neither it was the Alliance on Vanilla, thats why the lore got downhil faster..

Except the Alliance are easilly far less evil then the orcs and forsaken at every turn

>>50528689
>Hey what are vampires in WoW exactly
Blood DK class fantasy is vampiric

>>50514441
Garrosh Horde finally became what the horde should've been. An unstoppable war machine that would do what was needed to get the job done. The writers are so terrible they couldn't even see the treasure they'd accidentally managed to pull out of their asses. The Garrosh Horde would've brought back the alliance-horde hatred we've missed since classic wow.

>>50531541
And still it was Varian that acted as a warmonger while Thrall did everything that he could to maintain peace...

This dictomy was the most interesting part of the conflict and helped to maintain a balance... both sides had aggressions and conflicts but it was failure of the human king to accept the other side that started the war, which would be technically "bad".

It was more mature because it was a fair example of how things could not be labled easily as "HUR DUR YOU BAD ME GUD". It was a racial and cultural conflict that was for more hard to settle. THIS is a interesting concept, the "good vs bad" thing just appeal to stupid people like Metzen, Kosak and his GOOD-GUYS...

Do we all agree that the factions never should have existed, and races should have been standalone with loose alliances between them?

Alliance and Horde aren't necessary for pvp, every other game has all players fighting each other in pvp arenas because who cares

>>50532039
Would have been fun, yeah.
But you have to also consider that back in vanilla, faction pride was a huge selling point of the game.
I imagine if you went back and asked players during vanilla, they would have been wholly opposed removing factions.
The irrelevance of factions is very much a result of the direction in which Blizzard took the game.

> Seeing all those Orcs, Undeads and Taurens on Ironforge just because it was close to all those instances at end game.

Nah...

Being Horde on Vanilla was suffering, you coulndt even have a proper hub close to end game instances (and this was not even the biggest issue).

But this is just how a example of how factions were important to add identity and how different ideas (like standalone factions for forsaken and elves) would just make things hard for the player.

>>50532252
>>50532412
Well what about the problem with players being unable to play with their friends because they play the other faction? That's a problem I have seen over and over and it can't be good for sub numbers.

>>50532461
Of all the problems with factions, that's the easiest one.
Just roll a fucking alt on your friend's faction.

>>50532739
But you can't even play the game without being max level. No one wants to lose all their progress just to play with a friend

>>50532770
Another thing that wasn't a thing in vanilla

>>50518679
I want to empregnate that underaged panda

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>>50530374
>>50530481
>>50533195

>>50531910

>And still it was Varian that acted as a warmonger while

Yeah dude, he should have just sat and take all the horde incursions s like a proper nu-male.

>Thrall did everything that he could to maintain peace

Thrall did nothing but talk peace and encourage war. Because of the shitty, not well planned wiring he comes off not as a positive, well-meaning character but either as a huge buffoon who cant control the horde or a worthless hypocrite.

>>50532770

This is the exact slippery slope of comfort and convenience that led to cross-realm LFG garrison ghost towns and bots duking it out in battlegrounds.

>>50531087

They have an entire backstory strewn around, how they were these iron badasses created to safeguard the planet but got corrupted, tried their hardest to still fight but the titanic watchers didnt need them. They became the overcompensating warrior culture we see but they still failed to get re-approved or even slow down the corruption so they built up all those vaults and went to hibernation, to avoid getting turned into humans.. They not only fight for the lich king because he is the strongest around, but he offers them a way to get empowered and resist corruption so they can eventually go and kick old god tentacle again.

>>50533285
We had already talked about all the major and minor military conflicts, for everything that a faction starts there is at least another counterpart on vanilla, you know that well because we already have discussing this like five or four threads and everyone still replied to that to remember all these events that you know well still you cant drop this and stop shitposting.

And this is stupid... Horde vs Alliance rivalry exist to add a flavor on the setting, it is fun to talk about and remember all events but biased people that just want to shitpost about fantasys races by four or five threads on a row is pure autism...

You already have your GOOD-GUY-THEME-PARK to feel right, if you care so much about that... Go fight some batleground if you have any competence or wipe some Orc trash mobs on Redrige or Draenor...

There is some Alliance players that have some serious austistic problems, like some spoiled older brother that just hate to share his toys and complain about how the world dont spin around him anymore....

>>50533325
Good ol' scourge being the world saving force again I see.

>>50533880
Isn't that Deathwhisper's entire thing though. I swear I remember setting up for a pull while she was ranting about how they were going to fix the curse of the Flesh and finish what the Titians started.

>>50533917
Arthas'/LK/Ner'zhul end game was and has always been
>Take over the world->Arthas
>Break legion's legs->Ner'zhul
>Kill all fucking tentacle fucks->Lich King (Arthas+Ner'zhul)

It's said somewhere that he has this huge ass army ready to be sent out to kill the legion or the old gods that's what they meant with the jailer of the damned. And that is why Bolvar going "imma gonna let out the zombos" is dangerous.

>>50530519
fuck Elisande, I hope that bitch dies
after the first couple chapters of Insurrection she makes me feel nothing but seething rage, no matter how hot she is

>>50531869

> The Garrosh Horde would've brought back the alliance-horde hatred we've missed since classic wow.

ITT: We pretend WC3 never happened.

>>50533957
Yeah no I got that, it's just interesting that the Cult of the damned by that point has basically become a transhumanist movement and they were gearing themselves up to turn into a skeletal gestalt to wage war on demons and trans-dimensional horrors.

Just seems so much more fun to play as rather than putting up with Varian or Garrosh.

>>50534031
That would have been too great.

>You'll never rain deathrays upon legion and void worlds with your fellow knights and the cult of the damned
>You'll never step into a saronite drop-pod and be launched deep into Argus' core

>>50534001
Is she?

Almost all Highborne female models are the same... or at least all have some dull boring face.

Even the childs are weired...

But yeah, they get on my nerves too... They think so almight about themselves and started to suck demons cock as soon as things got harder while we were slapping Archimonde butt every week.

>>50534074
>You will never joke with your skeleton Vykrul bros as you put down traitors in Uldom and reclaim it for the Titans.

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Tell me about the Wildhammers, /wclore/.

Why do they fly the gryphons?

>>50534031
>>50534074
>>50534127
Why did they dindu Illidan into a Chosen One? We should have gotten playable Scourge instead. Perhaps Bolvar will lead us into that. More Arthas bants would be great, but I really liked how his story ended and it would be cheap to bring him back. Maybe Bolvar and the Ebon Blade will unite the Scourge as a transhumanist resistance force against the Old Gods and Legion. Probably not, because the writers are shit, but it would be sick.