Post 14th century swords were cheap enough to be afforded by

>>50500071

I kinda agree, but axes are still useful. A long enough haft makes it a good pole weapon, and axes have more utility and robustness due to the more obtuse grind of the edge. The momentum and slowness of the swing can also be used to advantage.

Not a good dueling weapon, sure, but better on the battlefield than something like a dagger. Paired with a shield and with a proper axe built solely for war, they're not bad.

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Axe thread?

>>50500109
>dagger
>bad on battlefield

not at all people used it when they grappled or to finish someone off

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Is a pole-axe a axe? or a pole?

>>50500141
>grappling someone with an axe

If people are using shields and swords, then you aren't going to be grappling with daggers. This isn't the 1900's.

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>>50500214
>shields
>post 14th century

you must be retarded by that period armor was developed enough people ditched shields in favor of two handed polearms and longswords

>>50500214
>>50500214
People with 14th century plate are surprisingly difficult to kill.
If you and your buddies managed to get the jump one a fully armored knight, then your best bet is to try and wrestle him down and jam the dagger in the weak-spots.

>>50500342
>man wearing steel plate harness with 99.9% body coverage
>surprisingly difficult to kill
>surprisingly

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>>50500071
Sword > Axe
Pen > Sword
Axe > Pen

post-19th century pens were cheap enough to be afforded by every soldier and indeed they were the most popular sidearm while swords faded into obscurity.

And so too will the time of axes return.

>>50500071
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SAY THAT TO MY FACE MOTHERFUCKER.

>>50500484
Considering Japan's suicidal charges from WWII era I wouldn't say swords faded into obscurity altough axes are popular among serial killers and nutjobs.

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>>50500484

no

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Depends on the setting

>>50500160
Babe, it can be whichever you want.
https://youtu.be/BGNa3dSaZCA

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Still king.

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>>50500639
Still king.

I hope nobody in this thread bullies me for being a flailaboo.

>>50500868
Flails are fucking _ok_

>>50500868 call it a pivoting-mace or g right tfo

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>>50501142
Yo dog, I heard you like maces

>>50500670
some of those are not halberds

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>>50500868
Flails are fucking metal. You can sperg all you want about how they never actually existed, but they're still cool regardless.

>>50502037
more like still fucking retarded

>>50500071
>You know why? Because axes require more skill to use well and swords are the melee equivalent to fire and forget.

Had nothing to do with anything but ease of use, which the sword has in spades.

Doesnt mean an axe is dog shit, its just not the go to weapon for the common or slightly above common person with little to know combat training.

>>50500639
Objective truth right here.

>>50502155
you're retarded

>>50500670
Halbards only have an advantage in a large formation with highly trained and experienced troops who were well supported.

A spear is a beast of a weapon no matter how you cut it, and the best overall melee weapon design ever made.

Did your sword or axe drag us out of the mud and help to fight the battle that elevated us above the beast?

Cus the spear sure did.

Keep your foppish weapons, because no melee weapon in this thread touches a skilled spear / shield user. hell half the time even an unskilled one, and thats never going to change.

Looking back on human history the spear is melee king and always will be.

>>50502196
You play too much dnd were talking about the 14th century the sword was go too because of ease of use and its multiple threats.

>>50502284
Good thing battles were fought in large formations then.

>>50502308

Yes and axes were so hard to use right? That's why nobles paid good money to learn the way of the axe.


Oh wait they fucking didn't they hired master fencers instead and axes were used by the rabble I wonder why.

>>50502315
Which the spear and shield excelled at, leading to further advances like pole arms and halberds.

I wish I lived in the world of /tg/ history, where everyone on a battlefield wore full plate at all times and soldiers had dick measuring contests about whether or not their glaive was more effective than Fred's billhook or Charlie's halberd.

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King Arthur had Excalibur, Roland had Durendal, samurai got the MASAMUNE FOLDED MIRRION TIMES SLICE THROUGH GAIJIN WEAPON. Nine times out of ten, if a hero's gonna have a premodern weapon it's gonna be a sword, because swords are the coolest of the bunch.

You can hack someone, stab them, even use the crossguard like a warhammer. The sword can do it all, and you'll look like a fucking badass doing it. Fucking nobles would pay smiths fucktons to make them a cool looking sword, and even these days modern militaries still include sabres and the such as part of their fancy uniforms.

Argue all you want about 'muh practicality, muh realism', but the sword is always going to be better liked and more popular than some shitty pike or axe.

>>50502336 You know it's possible to have a lower skill floor AND a higher skill ceiling, right?
And don't bring prodigal fops into this. Nobles went to war with pole-arms, just like everybody else.

>>50502539
And as sidearms used swords instead of fucking axes.

Face it axes were garbage.

>>50500071
wtf i hate axes now, thx for Correcting The Record

>>>50502483 King Arthur had Excalibur,
Largely symbolic, and he so many better magic weapons that he was constantly loaned Excalibur to his followers.
His main weapon was the spear Rhongomyniad, and his sidearm was the dagger Carnwennan.

>samurai got the MASAMUNE FOLDED MIRRION TIMES SLICE THROUGH GAIJIN WEAPON
Also a sidearm, and not a very good one. Samurai used primarily used o-naginata, which was a type of polearm.

DEJAVU!
I'VE JUST BEEN ON THIS THREAD BEFORE!
(HIGHER ON THE BAIT!)
AND I KNOW ITS THE TIME FOR SHITPOST!

>>50502661
>Largely symbolic
And it became symbolic and inseperable from Arthurian legend by virtue of being the coolest weapon.

Seriously, it can't be argued that swords are the most popular weapon. You can mention 'muh sidearms' all you want, but when someone speaks about a knight or a samurai, the first weapon that'll come to mind will be a sword and not their polearm.

>>50502727 Symbolic as in "proof of regency"

He lent it to people so they could say,
"Look! I've got the kings sword, I work for the king"

>>50502810
>Look! I've got the kings sword
Exactly, the king's sword. Not the king's spear or king's bec de corbin.

>>50502835
>Not the king's spear or king's bec de corbin.
Because the king was busy using that.

The sword was his symbol of office, his original proof of kingship.
Also, very distinct appearance and impossible to counterfeit.
Shit shined like the fucking sun.

>>50502888
Kind of missing the point, mate. I'm not arguing that polearms weren't used more, since any dirt-poor hick with a long stick could fashion himself a spear, but that swords are cooler.

>since any dirt-poor hick with a long stick could fashion himself a spear, but that swords are cooler.
Nah. The sword intrinsically represented represented the office of the king. Also it glowed.

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>>50503131
>he sword intrinsically represented represented the office of the king.
AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS M8

>>50503281
Because Viviane the Queen of Avalon gave it to him as proof that he was King of Britain.

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hart to really give a good estimate on the value of a sword in any archaeological context.

So here's the plain, simple, no-nonsense 14th C swords I have - some are very well-detailed, which indicates they were probably higher-class than cheap for every soldier:

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>>50503322
You're fucking playing with me, aren't you?

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>>50503349

>>50502284

>did your sword or axe drag us out of the mud

Yes, actually. Hand-axes pre-date spears by a decent margin.

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>>50503357
That is literally why it was his proof of office.

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>>50503366
probably a knightly one this - was found with the remains of the scabbard, which had silver collars engraved with a stag's head.

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>>50503370
I give up, just give me a fucking glaive and let me cry in peace.

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>>50503385

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>>50503422
reverse.

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>>50503443

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>>50503385
We know exactly who's sword this was.
circa. 400 BC

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>>50503482
close-up

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>>50503485
yes, but its neither 14th C, nor a basic soldier's weapon...

Neither is this one, admittedly, but its still one of the best 14th C falchions in existence.

>>50500484
I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in South Africa until the late 1980's you could use steel axe heads as currency for dealing with some of the local populations.

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>>50500071
>this bait
Axes had a larger swing radius to use properly and were therefore less useful in tighter formations.

They were still used to great effect by looser infantry formations, such as the gallowglass mercenaries and Russian freeshoooters.

I wish /tg/ would stop pretending that they're experts on anything besides rpg mechanics

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slightly different to the usual. a basilard.

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>>50503597
and detail

>>50503589
>Freeshooters
>shooters

I'M SURE THEY USED THOSE AXES A LOT NIGGER

I'M FUCKING SURE TANK CREWS USE THEIR HANDGUNS A LOT TOO

>>50502483
I think the real factor that would make the sword the common choice for the adventurer-type over other weapons of similar size would be the ability to always have it conveniently available in a scabbard. Hafted weapons generally will need to take up at least one hand just carrying them around, from what I understand. So will most two handed swords, though.

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>fa/tg/uys
>experts on rpg mechanics

>>50503660
>would make the sword the common choice for the adventurer-type
is that they do a significant amount of their fighting in tight spaces.

>>50503684
Yeah, that's also a good point.

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>>50503663

one or two of us are weapons experts though.

... which is why I'm ignoring OP's comment and solely contributing pictures of murdercutlery.

>>50500071
>Post 14th century
Wow man you're talking about a blitzing 300 years of human history
nevermind the 10000 years of warfare before then, no sir

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>>50503800

>>50503758
>Hafted weapons generally will need to take up at least one hand just carrying them around,
Even without fighting, it's a pain in the ass to carry a halberd across a tight corner with a low ceiling.
Let alone carrying it while spelunking. There's a reason hirelings carry the trap probing 10-foot poles.

>>50503349
you didn't read past the first part of ops post did you?

>Post 14th century swords were cheap enough to be afforded by every soldier

i was also confused at first because i thought he wanted us to post swords

>>50500071
But that's wrong.

Consider the Horseman's Axe, a sidearm meant for the mounted Man-at-Arms to spoil the day of another rich mounted warrior.

Post-14thC, used almost exclusively by the wealthy and perfect for mounted anti-armour use.

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>>50503809
I'm just ignoring everything after the word "swords".

"post 14th C swords" is a good enough reason for me.

I say, posting one that's between 1390 and 1410.

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>>50503819
>you didn't read past the first part of ops post did you?

Oh, I did.

and decided it was so fucking stupid I wouldn't deign to get into the argument.

I I just decided to post 14th C swords.

Think of it as a gobshite filter. They type gobshite, I filter it out.

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>>50503889

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>>50500071
Sure, but that didn't mean axes went completely away.

I actually know a related curiosity that's kind of interesting.
In 1604 the Danish King (Christian IV) passed a law requiring all men to arm themselves for the purposes of establishing a militia. Norway in a union under Denmark at the time, and these laws applied in both kingdoms.
This is a bit uncertain, but I've seen it speculated that another reason for the law was to make money for the state, as the state also offered relatively cheap swords for sale (dusacks, apparently).
What's certain however, is that relatively few dusacks would be bought in the poor, agrarian Kingdom of Norway. Just like swords never became very common, pikes were never introduced for the purpose of the militia. The suggested reason is that Norway was very decentralised and sparely populated, and the terrain was often ill fitting for pike and shot warfare, at least for the militia.

Instead, we got the "Bondeoks" (Peasant's Axe), which became very common in Norway from the early 17th century until sometime into the 19th century. The Norwegian militia would rarely be mustered, and rarely have a real role in war, but in a period of little more than two centuries the production of this kind of axe was very high, and they're today fairly common in museum collections. The axe appears by far to have been the most common weapon.
It's based off earlier 16th century designs, but production skyrocketed around 1604-1650, and stayed rather high.

>>50500071
Shouldnt these threads be banned already
They've been posted every day for months now

>>50503322
Dodging the question doesn't make you right. It's not "why did he have a symbol of office" it's "why was the symbol of office a sword?". Specifically why isn't it some other weapon?

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>>50503982
no different to all the "4th ed is shit" or just general "x, y or z is shit because [opinion no# 158683] threads.

no point in banning them. Just twist them around into something useful, and laugh at OP for being a sad, unoriginal hack.

>>50503597
Interesting weapon my dude. I'd never looked at this before I only remember it from the metroidvania games.

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>>50503944
A fun sign of how widespread this particular kind of axe was can actually be seen by comparing it to walking sticks and staves around the period.
Compare the appearance of the "Tingstav" on the left (dated 1784) to the peasant's axe in the middle (dated 1630) and the axe on the right (exact date unknown, believed to be somewhat older than the middle axe).
In mining communities this appears to have been particularly widespread, with "Bergmannsstaver" (Miner's Sticks) from areas like Kongsberg (silver mines) and Roros (copper mines) essentially looking like wooden versions of earlier centuries' axes. Although the "axehead" of this kind of stick was often of a design that was more like that of the German "Bergbarte" axes. Which makes a lot of sense, considering the significant German influence on these communities.

>>50503944
Really interesting, I like how curved it is compared to most other axes I've seen.
Though pic-related will always be my favorite axe. I've always liked really simplistic weapons that don't worry about flair or decoration.

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>>50504126
Forgot to post pic related, kill me.

>>50503768
>murdercutlery

Any tridents?

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>>50502037
Flails most definitely existed. There are literally 100s of drawings showing them being used from ancient time periods...

>>50504056
>Specifically why isn't it some other weapon?
He'd just broken his sword in a duel, and was in need of a replacement.

>>50504160
No there are not ''literally'' hundreds of them but a handful and no manuals from medieval periods mention them neither the armory catalogues.

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>>50504126
They're pretty consistently curved that way, which gives them a fairly special profile.
Though there's some real outliers, kind of like this one. This particular axe is estimated to be from around 1590, making it "pre-boom" so to speak.

>>50500071
Dragons don't exist but I still put them in my fantasy games because I like to have fun.

>>50503131
The monarchy is represented by a mace (house of commons, house of lords, scottish parliament, others): literally 'this is our big stick, behave'.

>>50500279

Such as the poleaxe.

>>50500279
>what is a rodelero

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>>50503646
>obvious bait the post

>>50500557
Underrated post.

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>>50503368
Axes are a superb tool and played a huge role no doubt, the spear is the weapon that did all the heavy fighting.

You really think early man did equal fighting with the hand axe as with the spear?

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>>50503768
Not Trident-Anon, but you got anymore falchions? What do you know about them? Tell me everything you know about falchions right now, or I'll kill a rabbit.

Namely, I want to know if the ones that look like thin-bladed sabers are actually "falchions", and if they are, why the heck is that so? The falchions I know and love are all large, thick-bodied weapons that remind me of machetes and axes, not these nimble-bodied pricks you'd see in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

What is this bullcrap?

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>>50500071
>axes faded into obscurity.
>axes are dog shit weapons.

Late axes, hammers and maces were for defeating armour, and were some of the last weapons to leave the battlefield in the modern age.

Please don't make the board stupider, and open a book.

>>50500279
Not everyone was dress cap e pie, and shields were still very much in use by fully armoured men, but yes, polearms became the norm.

>>50503982
Goddamn I wish.

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Anyone got some falcatas, falchions or messers? I'm playing a shield-bearer in a late medieval/early renaissance game.

>>50504160
you_mirin_bro?.jpg

>>50503589
>I wish /tg/ would stop pretending that they're experts on anything besides rpg mechanics
/tg/ defends D&D's hitpoints

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>>50503485
>We know exactly who's sword this was.
Yeah, it obviously belonged to the Link from Majora's Mask.

>>50508199
>all that meme shit
>instead of based sabre

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>people who have never use axes or swords ranting about why one is better than the other

>>50511576
I used an axe to kill my wife.

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>>50500071
Well, in the end an axe was just a cheap hand-weapon used to kill people, back before it was easy to make lots of good quality swords on the cheap. As soon as swords got easier to forge, I'm sure axes just naturally got phased out as a battlefield weapon instead of the tool it was made to be.

>>50500071
Which is why everyone used them prior and horsemen used them even after that. :^)

>>50511598
except axes are also useful to hoop shields, break spears and fuck up armour.
Their phasing out of battle has more to do with the change of style of massed warfare.

>>50502560
Oh, so what you're telling me is that the faggots who rarely ever were endangered or went to battle used swords, whereas the actual fighters used axes?

>>50511653
If they were so great why people bothered with other weapons?

>>50511660
You just made this up.

>>50511662
Are you a retarded puppy?
Diversification of arms and units is utterly necessary to have a strong military. Guess why?
There is no """best weapon!"""

>>50502483
why is this not a copypasta yet

>>50511653
Shields were used less often as armour got better.

>>50502675
underrated

>>50511673
Read what the other guy said.
I'm correcting his fallacy.
Swords were the main sidearm of the 14th century, he seems to imply that only nobles used them.

I'm trying to help this anon become better at making arguments.

>>50511677
Best weapon is called M16.

>>50503646
fuckin kek'd

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>>50511705
I'm sorry anon I can't hear you over the sound of glorious 7.62x54

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>>50500484
I think i somewhat agree with the sentiment.

>>50511732
Meme caliber that's why it's dead.

>>50511705
I prefer the Kinetic Orbital Strike.

>>50502483
Nah, you're just grown up in a time when the media loves swords. There's huge mythological and legendary presence of non-swords.

Lu Bu has a Ji (polearm), Guan Yu has a Guandao (polearm), Cú Chulainn has Gáe Bulg (spear), Odin has Gungnir (spear), Karna has Vijaya (bow), Arjuna has Gandiva (bow), Krishna has Sharkha (bow), Jangar has Aram (spear), Rostam has a dagger, Ken Arok has Mpu Gandring (kris), Hang Tuah has Taming Sari (kris), Perun has an axe, Hephaestus has an axe, Shango has an axe, Bradamante had a magic lance, plus there's the Bleeding Lance.

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>>50500071
>Because axes are dog shit weapons.
They're not.
But swords are easier to store and carry, and have prestige of being a sword look at my sword it's like a dick except instead of making life and giving pleasure IT TAKES LIFE AND GIVES PAIN. The fucking edge is real. because it's an edged weapon

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>>50511705
That's not how you spell FAL.

>>50512034
homoshit detected, fuck off back to your tentacle dick space lesbians

>>50512101
>google shitty sword
>use one of the first results
no need to get assblasted.

>>50504160
>Dragons most definitely existed. There are literally 100s of drawings showing them being fought from ancient time periods...

>>50502483
>>50511683

Sherman had the M4, Churchill had the A22, even Stalin got the GLORIOUS INVINCIBLE TO ANY FILTHY FASCIST TANKU IS-2 named after him. Nine times out of ten, if a tacticool force is gonna have an imbalanced army it's gonna be in favour of tanks, because tanks are the coolest of the bunch.

You can machine-gun down a sandnigger, blow them up, or even blow holes in their makeshift fortifications with HESH rounds. The tank can do it all, and you'll look like a fucking badass doing it. Governments would pay defence contractors fucktons to make them a cool looking tank, and even these days modern militaries still include MBTs and such as part of their armies.

Argue all you want about "muh vulnerability in FIBUA, muh running costs", but the Tank is always going to be better liked and more popular than some shitty IFV or aircraft.

There's no helping this guy >>50504200. There's no cure for mental retardation.
Best to burn the body before it infects the rest of us.

>>50512220
Greeks had their hydras, Jews and Christians have Azazel, and even the britbongs have UNHOLY ABOMINATION SO IMPORTANT IT HAS NO NAME AND WAS SLAIN BY OUR PATRON SAINT, OC DONUT STEAL. Nine times out of ten, if a mythological hero's gonna have a monster to kill, it'll be a dragon, because dragons are the coolest of the bunch.

You can shred someone, roast someone, or even just fucking lfy over and land on them. The dragon can do it all, and it'll look like a fucking badass doing it. Legends have passed down fucktons of stories about cool looking tanks for countless generations, and even these days modern fiction still plasters dragons and such all over popular culture.

Argue all you want about "muh copied stories, muh never existed", but the dragon is always going to be better liked and more popular than some shitty werewolf or demon.

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>>50512534
The cool dragons you're thinking off are a result of DnD fan art in the middle ages they were portrayed like this or often resembled a weird dog+lizard hybrid, usually smalelr than a fucking horse.

>>50512260
>>50512534
Doomfags have You Are The Demons, 40kids got Riptides Aren't OP, weebs got the MASTERWORK 2,400,000 YEN SLICE THROUGH SOLID STEEL. Nine times out of ten, if a shitposter has a thread killer, it'll be a copypasta, because copypastas are the coolest of the bunch.

You can make someone kek, send them sperging out in rage, even have them spawn their own variation. The copypasta can do it all, and you'll look like a fucking autist doing it. Anons would browse fucktons of threads looking for a cool looking copypasta, and even these days many threads still have copypastas and such dragging them down into sagedom.

Argue all you want about "muh unoriginality, muh old jokes", but the copypasta is always going to be better liked and more popular than some shitty bait or meymey.

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>>50512260
>2016
>Using tanks
Enjoy only being effective against other tanks.

>>50512260
>>50512534
>>50512716
I'm stuck between keking and wanting you to bleach your stomach right now

>>50512101
>fuck off back to your tentacle dick space lesbians

Gladly.

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>>50513144
oh wait, it's finished

>>50513223
sorta, the prequel game is well on its way to done, and the "the end" that came with the end isn't there anymore.

>>50511583
I also used an axe to kill my wife

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>>50515745
Oh lawdy, izat some chineese bronze shortsword I see?

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>>50516886
The rival city-state's lord had a bronze spear.

>>50500160
pole axe is many things