The Great Witch Hunt of the 1980s

>>50494442
It actually never happened. It was liberal media trolling people into believing conservatives are retards yet again. Only Chick and three other assholes ever gave a quantum of a fuck about rpgs.

Yeah, it mostly wasn't a thing. Some churches encouraged their members to confiscate and destroy the books where they could find them, but it was mostly rumors. Someone heard that a someone's cousin's friend went crazy playing D&D. Nobody ever had any proof.

>>50494815
>>50494714
>T. People not from the Bible belt or religious houses

No, plenty of otherwise very reasonable people believed that d&d, magic the gathering, and other assorted autism was literally the work of the devil. Has everyone forgotten the harry Potter protests, or am I just that old?

>>50494884
No but then I'm probably just as old.

>>50494884
No, they didn't.
Nobody cares about this meme or about how butthurt you are your Mom requisited your dnd 3,5 hand book when you were ten because you weren't doing your homework. It's called growing up not mass hysteria.

>>50494442
I've seen several. They generally revolve around how shit or awesome someones parents were/are.

>>50494906
It must feel nice living in a world where you can believe that the majority of humans aren't sheep. Of course you're right when talking about one person. But a group of people can do some stupid and messed up shit.

>>50494928
I am not this anon
>>50494906
But it does seem like you're a bit sheltered in your outlook

Also for the record I did great on school like 90% of the huge fucking nerds here so thanks for asking.

People just get dumb when rumors start to spread. There was a genuine moral outrage about D&D for a bit. Darkest dungeons was not tongue in cheek like you think it was

Granted it wasn't as bad as what comic books got, but it was there.

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>>50494442
There was a fantastic book published last year called "Dangerous Games" by Joseph Laycock, and I strongly recommend it. It's the best summary anyone has ever done of the whole phenomenon. He goes over a lot of the old dramas, re-investigating the supposed suicides (James Egbert etc) and well as contextualizing it all so you can get a sensible angle on the whole thing. It was a fascinating read.

Because it's a historic artifact. here's the book B.A.D.D. published at the height of the panic. It makes for amusing reading today, but personally I find it really sad. A lot of kids supposedly killed by D&D were actually fucked over by the same shitty parents who were now literally demonizing the only thing they enjoyed.

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it was real.

but personally it taught me a valuable lesson at a key point in my life...

that being that the media and other authority figures can be and are often liars who spread crap to serve their own, usually ignorant, agendas....

>>50495126
>the media and other authority figures can be and are often liars who spread crap to serve their own, usually ignorant, agendas....
It's the fucking common knowledge, somewhere near the knowledge "how to breathe"

>>50495148
Well it's fucking common knowledge now but it wasn't back in the 80s

Moral panics are best panics desu.
>16th century witch hunts
>red scare
>dnd panic
>satanist pedophile abuse rings
>vidya turns people into misogynistic murders

>>50495195
The red scare was more of an imperialist propaganda thing than a moral thing

>>50494442
Well. Here it was 90's but as with everything in the 80'/90's things from US shore here bit later. Therefore also did the Satanist scare.

It taught me to investigate things before taking what other people say at face value. Things never are as they seem on the surface. It prepared me for the internet before it was as widely available as it is now.

But in practise. My parents were very sceptic about me playing ADD or Rune Quest. They let us play but they did pay attention to it. Also my father red through those few books I had and thought it was just an interesting way to play a game. He wasn't interested in it more than that.

>>50494884
Nerd from bumpkinville in the bible belt.

No one gave a shit as long as you were not gay.

>>50494906

Bitch I literally KNOW PEOPLE whose parents refused to let them play DnD because it was Satan's game.

>>50495535
Sounds pretty tame, around here hardcore jesusfags view things like dancing, TV, pre-marital kissing, and computers as one way ticket to hell.

>>50494906
One of my friends in High School lost their 3.5 collection to their parents when their local Church of God decided to hold a book burning.

You're very sheltered.

>>50495535
Bitch people being assholes are not a mass hysteria.

>>50495592
Non-americans can't imagine how retarded people are here

>>50495592
>>50494960
I see "sheltered" is a new shorthand to dismiss people's opinion. I could talk about my life and let you decide how sheltered I've been but you allready made up your mind, so good day to you.

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Irony of ironies, here's the add I'm seeing on this thread.

>>50495633
All it takes for people to realize that is to take one look at you when the election season is rolling around. Let's just say that all American elections that I've followed have been extremely amusing in the watching two retards wrestling in mud-kind of sense.

>>50495644
Baguette detected ?

>>50494714
>Even in the early 2000s half my friends weren't allowed to join my high school D&D game because their parents were concerned they might catch a whiff of The Satan.
Yeah, it was more than just three people. A good portion of the american south was caught up in that crap for decades. There are still tons of people to this day who won't let their kids watch the magic schoolbus because it's too occult.

>>50494442
I wasn't around for most of the 80s, and what amount I was I wasn't old enough to remember it.

That said I got into actually playing tabletops around the year 1999 (though my uncle had fostered an interest in them for most of my life, from giving me his Ral Partha pewter minis and old AD&D books to getting me hooked on fantasy vidya/books/etc) and have lived my whole life in New England, which has helped me out by keeping me away from a lot of the more horrendous parts of this country. If the stain of "D&D = Satanism and Suicide" ever really got widespread up here it was long dead by the time I got my hands on the hobby.

The only couple of experiences I've had with it were from a friend's mom (they moved here from Florida) who had drunk the kool-aid on D&D being how Satan got to kids and my Aunt (well, my mom's friend, but you get the idea) who had "seen some things on facebook" after finding out her son was into RPGs.

Both of these matters got happily settled pretty quick and quiet, though. Nothing explosive or dramatic to storytime.

>>50494974
Thanks for the PDF, imo it's a great example of pulling stuff out of context for your own benefit

>>50495717
Funny, I went to Catholic school in Florida and our community gave a damn if you were going to church and Mott on drugs.

Then again, Baptist communities are shit holes full of cave people so no wonder you fell for moronic horse shit.

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>>50495760
James Dallas Egbert III was a child prodigy who was attending college at the age of 16, had incredible amounts of pressure to succeed from his family, and was secretly gay and a drug addict. His suicide attempts were not connected to D&D, but the private investigator who took his case did not reveal this for several years after his death, once the book about the case was released, in order to protect Egbert's family from a tarnished reputation. When he finally succeeded in killing himself, he had not played D&D for about a year, which hardly qualifies him as being 'heavily involved' in the game. This is the case that began the entire controversy over D&D.

Michael P. Dempsey committed suicide with a handgun in his bedroom on May 19th, 1981. Few details about the circumstances surrounding his death are available, as the only source of information is Dempsey's father, who is strongly against the game. His father claims to have seen Michael summoning actual D&D demons into his room before his death, and described the odors of sulfur and garlic (which he claims are part of a demon summoning ritual) after his death.

Irving Lee ('Bink') Pulling III was BADD founder Patricia Pulling's son. Bink was known for having a few emotional problems - he used to run around the back yard, howling at the moon, and right before his suicide, it is believed he viciously killed several family pets. After his suicide, a police investigator asked Pulling if her family worshipped the devil, and showed her the Dungeons & Dragons books and notes in Bink's collection, which she knew nothing about. (So much for being 'heavily involved' in D&D!) This was very likely the seed that was planted in Pulling's mind and began to grow into a vast Satanic conspiracy of secret murders and suicides. Pulling would later claim that a curse put on Bink's character in a school D&Dgame drove him to kill himself, but when questioned, none of the members of the school group knew of such a curse.

1/2

>>50495814
Harold T. Collins did not commit suicide, he died in a failed attempt at auto-erotic asphyxiation. Dungeons & Dragons does not condone or even mention this type of activity. Therefore, this death is not connected with D&D at all.

Daniel E. and Stephen (Steven) R. Erwin (sources on this case never seem to agree on the spelling of the younger brother's name) were brothers who carried out a suicide pact together. Daniel, the older brother, was facing sentencing for auto theft, and was extremely afraid of the criminal justice system. The Erwin parents have always maintained that D&D had nothing to do with the death of their sons, and were enraged when a 60 Minutes story connecting the two was aired in September of 1985.

2/2

And the one that really galls me: on pg 4 it quotes on Kelly Jean Popperton, found dead "two days later", essentially blaming drugs and D&D for her death - when in fact she was a victim of the still-unknown Alameda County serial killer. Something about that pisses me off.

>>50495814
Oh and incidentally, none of those deaths occurred on a full moon

>>50495148
It's something you learn growing up, and an unsettingly large portion of people never do

>>50495814
Jep, that is what i expected.


>>50495839
>And the one that really galls me: on pg 4 it quotes on Kelly Jean Popperton, found dead "two days later", essentially blaming drugs and D&D for her death - when in fact she was a victim of the still-unknown Alameda County serial killer. Something about that pisses me off.

That is the only one i would connect to DnD as she probably was killed by a Murderhobo

>>50494884
Not just the American bible belt, this spread to Brazil to a degree where a guy used D&D books as evidence in a girl's murder case and the thing spiralled into a lot of suspicious over RPGs and stuff by the guillible segment of the people. I actually seem a magic the gathering set being set alight by an angry mom.

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>>50494442
For fucks sake, it's 2016.
You weren't probably even born in the 80s.
Why the fuck you are making thread like this then?

>I haven't seen many posts about this period of RPG's history.
Idiots like you keep making roughtly 2 threads about it per fucking day.
Get lost

>>50494884
>T. Americans convinced the world ends on American borders

It never happend outside your country. And it barely happend IN your country, with very short lived hysteria, the same way how there was equally short lived hysteria about heavy metal music, lasting entire one "drought season" for media.

It's just a meme that kids in the late 90s perpetuated out of any proportion. The real "hunt" never even happend outside few of newspapers on n-th page of the Saturday edition.

>>50495953
>>50494714
From the sound of axe-grinding, I'm guessing this revisionist garbage is some kind of conservatard reaction to criticism of all that retarded Reagan-era culture?

>>50495953
>equally short lived hysteria about heavy metal music
There are still people who freak out about metal music. Whole churches have sermons about "the devil's music"
Some people are really, really dumb and do not let go of beliefs unless god himself parts the clouds and tells them they're being stupid shits

>>50495995
Are they talking about metal, rock, jazz or classical?

>>50496008
Kpop

>>50495988
>Buzzword buzzword buzzword
Buzzword

>>50495995
I'm not sure you understand what's the difference between mass hysteria and few people being ass-blasted
Or that there is world outside the state you live in
>Some people are really, really dumb
Yeah, I've notice, reading the nth thread like this

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>>50495995
>Some people are really, really dumb and do not let go of beliefs unless god himself parts the clouds and tells them they're being stupid shits

>>50495814
I personally know of one that was pretty fucked up and isn't on that list. Google "romeo juliet act 1986" if you want to know more.

Girl was my gf up until about 2 months before this. Guy was just an acquaintance.

At the time, there were lots of tv shows in NYC area - mainly tabloid news shows - using this story and describing D&D as "the medieval death game" (quoting Jeraldo Rivera, himself!)

It wasn't mass hysteria but it wasn't nothing, by far. I know people who weren't allowed to play. Someone, to this day, refuses to play because of a promise made to a relative on her death bed whom was convinced it was a sure ticket to hell.

Fortunately, my parents saw it as a way to know where me and all my friends usually were, where they could watch us, and be sure we weren't getting into trouble. My mother (who forbade me watching Batman on tv because it was to violent) didn't like that all the problem solving involved killing things but saw the cooperative nature and our rapidly expanding vocabularies (what 12 year old is using words like barbican, portcullis, crenelation and bec de corbin?) as beneficial enough that she took the time to realize the "killing" was simply rolling enough pips on dice... which, in turn, was also making us better at math.

But, then the neighborhood flipped it's shit when we got caught playing hide & seek in a graveyard at night. Being city kids where every street was lit, we picked it because it was dark at night. It took a lot of convincing (and the fact that no pentagrams or dead goats were found) to ensure everyone that we weren't there to do some unholy ritual...

Source: I'm a 50 year old oldfag... live it.

>>50495953

It expanded beyond the US by shared media.

France never knew things to the extent of the US (and I've heard stories from people kiving there... very reminiscent of how the pre-comic book code period heavily contributed in killing some shops), but the outreach of the negative, undocumented media of the time made it so that even in the 00s, I would get weird looks and comments when I'd say I managed a local RPG club.

Like I was some sect guru or something.

>>50496038
Here's that (you) you wanted.

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>>50496067
You are getting strange looks, because you are running a RPG club. This alone is enough to get strange looks, you fucking basement dweller. Maybe it never occured to you, but RPG never really caught up in France as a trend.

You are basically looked strange for being considered yet another hipster, not because your imaginary status of being prosecuted occultist

>>50496067
Surprise, surprise, fucker - normies don't consider RPG normal, regardless of what you believe. You are treated strange, because your hobby is strange and very niche for average person.
Bonus points for France, where TTRPG had a very, very shortlived life in early 90s and then pretty much disappeared from the scope of everyone.

But hey, that must be all because of the imaginary witch hunt taking place in States 30 years ago, right?

>>50494884
>or am I just that old?
Going by this thread it's exactly that. This shit was so dumb that it's hard to believe unless you actually lived through it. Which means the better question is are people on this board really so young?

>>50496028
What exactly is a few people? just 500 people going along with it is enough to qualify as mass hysteria

>>50496097
Average /tg/ user is high schooler or college freshman, so why are you surprised?

>>50496079
>hipster

Nice anachronistic analysis.

>not because your imaginary status of being prosecuted occultist

Not what I said, thank you for your reading comprehension.

>This alone is enough to get strange looks, you fucking basement dweller.

Which is enough to prove what I was saying: there is (was) a stigma attached. I never got the same looks when I say I manage a local sport team, you miscarriage waste.

>>50496097
Yes, id say the average 4chan user is a 15 year old American.

>>50496103
500 people compared with what?
Fucksville, Kansas population of 501?
Or entire US of A with 235 mill back then?

Stay mad about being imaginary prosecuted.

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>>50496121
>T-that stigma
>I'm a sorceror!
There is a difference between being considered socially-inept overweight basement dweller with no social skills and imaginary adventures to feel special and, say, being considered satanistic occultist

But whatever makes you feel special, I guess.

>>50496097
/tg/ has one of the youngest audience, barely scrapping above 19 on average.
For your mind to comprehend - average user was born in late 90s.

>>50496121
>hipster
>anachronistic
I guess you should look around, rather than sitting in that club of yours.

>>50496126
That's my point, it's not a percentage thing. It's simply about a mass of people believing in an imagined threat. It could be 500 in bumfuck kansas and it's still mass hysteria. If anything a concentration of them in one place makes it even more notable

>>50496122
>15

Personally I think that thanks to /b/ 12 or 11 would probably be more accurate guess.

>>50496187
>Thread about nation-wide hysteria
>Uses localised outburst as an example
I'm not sure you understand how scale works

>>50496146

The point was that the thing was real in the US as far as my second-hand tales can confirm, and having lived through it, there *was* a distinct change in the attitude of people here because of the media treatment that spilled over.

Before it, people at worse didn't care. Hell, playing the hardcore military strategy board games was often even seen positively as it was done most of the time by students in higher eduction (and whatever the cool aid you drank made you believe being a so called "nerd" was seen positively).

>>50496110
>>50496122
>>50496161
So that being the consensus is it safe to say kids are just little shits that refuse to believe anything bad ever happened unless it also involved them? Because that's what it seems like.

>>50496169

Find me a reference to "hipster" in France in the 80s/90s that isn't a throwback to the original 40s use.

>>50496229
More or less, and that tendency follows them into adulthood.

>>50496215
>as far as my second-hand tales can confirm
Brace yourself, because this will shock you
Those are tall tales.
This shit never happend aside very localised cases that died within few months. What is now hauled by neo/tg/ as "witch hunt" lasted for single summer season, with bunch of newspapers of local range blasting biased, unresearched articles trying to connect anything at all together, because it was summer and they had nothing else to write about.

And word of advice - nobody gives a shit about your personal life and experiences, this is anonymous imageboard.

>>50496210
two bumfuck nowhere towns across the US is nationwide

>>50496229
But anon, no witch hunt happend, so why are you trying to pretend the meme-tier status of satanistic D&D was real and serious? I get it, you were born in '88 and your mom didn't allow you to buy overpriced ADD set in mid-90s, but come on!

>>50496229

I wouldn't get to any consensus from data gathered around here. From all we know, those people could be 70 year old trolls (now that's a depressing thought).

On average I do find the younger generation is a lot more conservative.

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>>50496239

>>50496239
Last time I've checked we were talking about recent times, but hey, nice dodge, Gary

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This entire thread so far

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Not in the 80s. I was too young in the 80s.

I was typing this out but breached the 2000 character limit. Better to greentext.
>Parents both chemists
>Mother a control freak with possible misandry issues spawned from prior abusive relationships, Father has depression, so just takes it. No second opinions to counter her.
>No Simpsons. No TV sports. No Nintendo. Nothing that I would need to relate with my peers when I get into ES. Never learned to catch/kick a ball, just how to fish and boot C64/Dos games.
>Lots of TNG, C64, TMNT. Sci-fi tastes set in hard from an early age.
>Doomed to be a social outcast from the day the condom broke.
>2nd grade. Mother converts to Baptist Christianity.
>Mother Upgrades Browbeat with Christian Rhetoric. It's super-effective.
>Mostly nothing changes for me because SCIENCE!
>Desperately try to jump on every fad at school because literally nothing else to relate with other kids about.
>M:tG Fad
>MOM I WANT MTG
>Ha no fag
>K I'll just make my own cards. Construction paper. Make shit from memory. OP-as-fuck, edgy to my sheltered 3rd-grader self.
>Mom reads it. "That's SATANIC".
>SparlockTheWarriorWizard.avi
>The crusade continued as she hunted for more things to decry in order to gain more Jesus points around the house.
>Pic related was my first /tg/.

Luckily, Science fiction seemed to dodge the bullet, and since I was well in that camp, missing out on MtG was just like missing out on Pogs or Devil Sticks...

>>50496267
Actually I was allowed to, but a lot of my friends parents were dead against it. It was also banned from my school along with Harry Potter and mtg, and a bunch of other stuff, later on because the PTA insisted it promoted Satanism and "moral degeneracy".

>>50496251

Tall tales of people explaining me how the period changed the ways local communities saw their commerce and how it contributed in them closing shop?
My god, such horrible tall tales. Unbelievable! Who could have spun that marvel?

Yeah, there was witch hunt in the sense that no on got burned to the stake. Was there a change in the general social climate. Which is what we're discussing. Things don't have to go all the way down to murder before their impact can be felt and considered worth discussing, however much you seem unable to process it.

And word of advice: I'll tell whatever the shit I want if I feel it's contextually significant, but you're free to ignore it. This is an anonymous board.

>>50496341
>D&D
>HP
>MtG
Anon, that was the system just telling you your taste is shit and you shouldn't spread it to other kids

>>50496295

Wellm you checked wrong thank you for your reading incomprehension.

>>50496348
>I'll tell whatever the shit I want if I feel it's contextually significant
Shouldn't you be then on reddit then? Or running your blog?

>>50496368
So you are running your club in the 80s, when RPG wasn't even a thing in France?

Because that's what you right now stated

>>50496386

For context :Rêve de Dragon was published in 1985. You might want to reconsider your timeline.

>>50496360
Kek, possibly, but it wasn't really my taste. Just clubs my school had that got banned. Except HP that was just generally popular at the time.
Thinking back I think my school just hated fun. They also banned football, red rover, tag, Pokemon, and Scary Stories.

>>50496464
Damn, what kind of shithole school did you go to? The worst thing i had to deal with at mine was their asinine dress code.

>>50496616
A suburb one. Lots of bored suburban housewives on the PTA.

>>50496693
>housewives

Why it is that housewives tend to be complete and utter cunts?

>>50494714
Remeber reading of guy on Brazil who was arrested because he lived close to a murder victim's house and had RPG books.
D&D books were accepted by the judge as proof that the guy was satanist. They believed he sacrified the woman in satanic rituals.

Years later it was discovered that the girl had been murdered by her boyfriend (a drug dealer IIRC) and they released the RPG-player.

http://www.daemon.com.br/home/o-caso-de-ouro-preto-incompetencia-e-preconceito/
(in portuguese)

>>50496806
Because they are not loved by their husbands, who earn enogh for them to stay at home and have too much free time. Add to that frustration from demanding kids, husbands having romance with cute secretary (or so they think) and a bunch of other shitty reasons and you end up with a person that is just frustration incarnated.

Could be a funny stereotype, if I didn't have to deal with half of the neighbourhood of those when working in local deli.

>>50496842
>Actually arrested for owning rpg books
Brazil must be a complete shithole

>>50497009
>zombie drugs
>jungle viruses everywhere
>most cities make detroit look like a bastion of civilization
>shitting bays

>>50497009
It's a classic 3rd world country, what do you expect?
Daily reminder Yuropeans were naive enough to grant them Olympics, because everyone was sure that in 12 years Brazil will turn from developing shithole to normal country

>>50497102
M8, Brazil ain't got shit compared to Qatar to whom we gave rights to have football championships in 2022.

>>50497122
Compared to Brazil, Qatar has enough fuel for their airplanes to reach their destinations, too.

Sorry... too soon?

>>50497122
>M8, Brazil ain't got shit compared to Qatar to whom Blatter sold rights to have football championships in 2022.
Here, FTFY

>>50497146
I thought that was electrical failure?

>>50497146
Since when crude is fuel?
Qatar barely has any infrastructure to produce fuel and like most of oil-exporting countries, they import fuel.
Because who needs investing in the infrastructure of your own country when you can buy golden Ferrarri or spend half a mil for a night in a hotel.

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I liked the times when the people had mass burnings held for Monster Manuals.

I also liked the times when FBI confiscated all the materials frome SJGames, because they thought they were preparing a cyberterrorist attack when they were researching stuf for their GURPS Cyberpunk book.

I also liked that one time when FBI launched a raid on nutjob survivalists which turned out to be LARPers, and they ended up breaking down the doors and confiscating foam swords from people.

America, not even once.

>>50497122
Qatar is the classic case of bribery going again everything, common sense included.
Summer temperatures are around 40 Celcius. Try running for 90 minutes and not die due to heat stroke.

>>50497185
Don't worry, they've figured out by late 90s they can blame everything on international muslim terrorism and put entire focus on that.

>>50496229
That is literally part of being a child.

>>50497202
Who could had guessed that supporting guys who hate the west almost as much as they did hate communism would backfire?

>>50497222
Definetely not Amerifat.

But this is what you get for the "better dead than red" being turned into official foreign policy.

>>50497151
Yeah, let's not pretend there was anything legitimate about that decision. If anyone in football does something stupid they're probably being paid off.

>>50497222
No one. Our old "enemy" was the USSR... but we built them up to seeming like an invincible foe. No one wanted to fight them. That enemy became inconvenient so the USSR collapsed. We needed a new enemy we could hate AND beat. Not en masse, mind you. Just on a case by case basis and continually. Radical terrorists fill that role. They are hated like roaches. You want them gone and you can stomp on them when you catch them but there is an endless supply. Beefing them up to become the new enemy was brilliant.

>>50494884
I wasn't around for the D&D shit, but I do remember the Harry Potter shit. It was very selective; the priest at my local church loved Harry Potter, and even gave me his copy of the second book for my second communion. My school's priest, however, condemned it because "witchcraft is bad mmmkay"

>>50497322
Where do you live where your school had a priest? Is that a common thing?

>>50497342
Catholic schools aren't uncommon, at least in the US.

>>50494714
>>50494906
Almost as bad a holocaust deniers

>>50497267
Anon, there was a fucking investigation against corrupt charges and they find out he took bribery up the noose, so what the fuck you are even talking about?
The whole deal was bribed from top to bottom, but it was waaaay too late to stop the actual event from taking place.

>>50494442
>I haven't seen many posts about this period of RPG's history.
We get at least one thread a week

>>50497315
Only that they were all mostly beefed up during Soviet invasion of Afganistan, pumping mad amount of money, gear and training into people that shared one common thing with burgers - they didn't want to see Russians succeed.

>>50497185
Can I get a source on the last one? Google isn't giving me anything when I put in FBI arrests LARPers

>>50497267
>If anyone in football does something, they're probably being paid off.
Fixed that for you

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>>50495913
You got me.

>>50495922
>Two threads about it per day
>This has never happened

Aren't you supposed to be doing a test right now, Timmy?

>>50497592
It's not my fault you are on /tg/ since October, when older kids on the campus showed it to you. But it takes to be newfag AND ignorant to assume this shit is not a regular feature on /tg/

>>50497322
Not quite an RPG thing, but I remember with some hilarity how a boy at my church I went to when I was younger gushed on and on about how he loved Harry Potter, and when he finally shut up about it long enough to ask me what I was into, I said Pokemon.

"BUT THAT'S SATANIC MAGIC STUFF," was his absolutely astounding reply.

>>50497717
>The thing that never happened happens all the time, you must be new here or you'd know that!
>Phew, no one will dare call my bluff

Does the principal know you surf the evil satanic 4chan?

>>50497759
>What are memes
>What is neo-4chan unable to contain itself
Eternal September is nothing compared with neo-boards

>>50495634
Why do people insist on desperately trying to save their ego on an anonymous imageboard?
The whole point of being anonymous is that if you don't want to continue a discussion, you can just leave and join another one without penalisation from shit like karma or likes, or people from the old thread dogging your trail.

The fact that people like you miss the point so badly is honestly baffling to me.

This whole satanic sentiment is still latent in society, and sometimes I'm an asshole:

>Supervisor's daughter goes to visit boy she likes, they play D&D with his father being the DM.
>Everything goes well, she comes home and tells him about her time there, and that it wasn't like they had thought.
>Me, being a giant asshole who can't stand the guy for shitting up the department when he throws tantrums, decide to play on his old fears.
>Start asking about which deity her character chose to follow, explain that D&D characters usually have patron deities.
>Talk about sorcerers being able to summon creatures from beyond and a whole host of other bullshit.
>Supervisor goes home and questions his daughter, finds out some of the shit I was saying was substantiated like having deities for each character, so it all must be true.

>A few days later, he mentions they got into a big fight about it again and she tried to run away.

Couldn't help myself, but the fear of D&D is still alive and well in some people down here.

>>50498520
you're an arsehole but that's still pretty fucking funny

>>50497353
>rejecting the truth makes you bad
Ok Schlomo

>>50495922
I've been shitting up /tg/ for years abs I've seen a thread like this maybe once

>>50498858
then you're blind
I was shitposting for 2 years and saw it at least 5 times

>>50498520
You're an asshole and I'd punch you in the face if I knew you but it was still funny

>>50494884
This, this so much. There's a reason my older cousins had to switch to RIFTS and Shadowrun instead of AD&D in the early 90s and it's because the fucktard beliefs stuck around for decades afterwards. Shit, it's why the first RPG book I owned was Shadowrun.

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>>50499901
hey, at least in your country the most widespread rpg is called dungeon and dragons and in the cover it had a dragon and shit like that.

And not, for example, called MAGUS and had a fucking pentagram on the cover

>>50494442
As real as the scar my friends brother got in 84 when the high school football team caught him reading a monster manual beneath the bleachers where they went to smoke their weed. People being tolerant of these hobbies and other forms of nerdery is a very recent development, mostly beginning when video games began making shit-tons of money. There are people these days who can't even fathom a time when things like this happened, they've been so coddled their whole lives. Even I got my ass kicked once, and I grew up in the 90's, in the North.

I can't even imagine what it was like in bible-thumper country.

>>50494442
It's difficult to make hard-and-fast generalizations about how people felt about D&D when I was growing up in the mid-80's. I will say that many people saw the news stories about kids going nuts playing the game, but I think most people either didn't care or didn't believe the reports--I had a few teachers and my own parents remark on the news reports, saying that either the kids in question were either already nuts, or that the news over-hyped the reporting.

So most people weren't affected by the "witch-hunt" mentality. There was one notable exception in my life, however. I attended an afterschool program in elementary school, and the head of the program was this straight-laced, suspiciously upbeat and giddy woman--we'll call her Sam.

Now, Sam kind of prided herself on knowing and being friendly with all the kids in the program: she'd always be greeting kids when they'd arrive and would wander from group to group of kids, checking in on what we'd be doing. Overall, she seemed kind and friendly.

One day, she came across me and a few friends with our D&D books out... and she went ballistic. She literally grabbed the books out of our hands, yelled that we were "in danger of the Devil" and sent us into the corner of the room for a "time-out" session. All of us were completely shocked... too shocked to do anything but sheepishly follow her orders. We never got our books back, and she talked to my friend's parents (the books were his), tho nothing came of it--I think his parents thought she was nuts.

>>50501497
>archive search satanic panic
>page 1 goes back to June of this year
>most of them are individual posts in unrelated threads
Fuck off retard.

>>50495623
No but a whole bunch of people being assholes and convincing authority figures that being an asshole is a reasonable response, that's what makes a panic

>>50496229
Sooner or later (probably sooner) a new panic will roll around that latch's on to a perfectly innocuous thing these guys like and they'll be completely baffled as to what all the fuss is about. then even more confused when others refuse to believe them about it. It's just part of the cycle

>been into fantasy and sci-fi for as long as I can remember
>Aunt got me into star trek, grandpa shared with me his RA Salvatore books
>Played on MUDs and read about DnD campaigns back when Windows 98 was the current thing
>Save up money and gift cards for barnes and Noble, got a DnD 3rd edition players handbook
>Mom talked to another customer asking him about it, she was fine with the purchase
>Weeks later, mom taking my friend and I to choir practice. Show friend the artwork because he's big into vidya and shit too
>He thinks it's cool, asks his mom about it
>Friends mom is a fucking religious nutcase that's bent on trying to one up my mom since forever
>Friends mom tells my mom its a satanic game were all going to hell etc
>Mom and Dad ask to read through book
>They take it away and never give it back because in all the hundreds of pages, it had the spell 'speak with dead' so it must be an evil game

Man fuck everyone, ever since then I have never disclosed my hobbies or anything I do with anyone to this day. Yeah I'm a lonely cunt but fuck getting bothered by other retards over it

>>50494714
one of my school firends had to keep his roleplay stuffhidden with the porn mags as his christian father was so opposed to that 'satanic stuff' ended up living with him (he was my latin & classiclal studies teacher) for a bit after i got thown out the house at 16. He tried to convince me fucking my gf was on a par with demon worship. Bit mental but well meaning, he got kicked out the church for being too extreme. He had rainbow shoelaces. why can't i remember his name? it was about 1992ish

>>50504693
also this was centarl belt scotland but the posh bit. and i'm a bit tipsy hence awful typing. his son grassed me to the cops about some stuff though, wasn't happy about that. here's a tip, never make a cop run: they don'yt like sweating

>>50494906
>>50494815
>>50494714
Holy shit are these real responses?

JFC.

>anons in this thread claiming the 1980s witch hunt never happened
>you can actually go on YouTube to watch the 60 Minutes episode where Gary Gygax goes on National Television to deny that he's encouraging school kids to kill themselves

Suddenly it's really easy to see how easily conspiracy theories spread.

>>50494714
I couldn't play MTG growing up because it was akin to worshipping Satan. I couldn't quote that dude from Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom (the guy who takes the heart out) because it was a "REAL" demon summoning spell. My mother doesn't believe in global warming and does believe in demons and possessions. She's one or two notches away from "fossils were created to test our faith" levels of insanity. You'd better believe the satanic panic happened.

>>50504973
It's just 4chan being 4chan. This website's just a bunch of contrarians >inb4 238 replies of "no we're not!" that's always itching to tell someone else they're wrong; best example is the noticeable tone shift circa 2008-2010ish (I think) when atheism stopped being the cool rebel thing to do -- fedoralord and DEUS VULT became the phrases of the day very quickly because atheism was seen as more popular than evangelical Christianity by the faggots that never left this site.

>>50494442
really wasnt a thing beyond media hysteria. my folks were deacon and deaconess for our church and they let me play D&D with myfriends at our place.

>>50494442
I learned how to play D&D back in 1982 at age 11 from my Sunday school teacher in rural Maine.

While I'm sure there were a few uneducated fucks out there, there was a lot more shit to worry about back then than what a bunch of spazzes were playing.

>>50495148

Now it's common knowledge but back in the 80's shit like that wasn't true. Most people were generally more trusting of the government, you have to remember that the Cold War was still happening at this point, so the threat of complete nuclear annihilation was in the back of everybodies mind.

>>50505185
I miss when A. Wyatt Mann comics were posted ironically and the joke was the comics.

>>50496050

>romeo juliet act 1986

Fuck all comes up bro. Need a little more information.

>>50504756
you might be the scottest

>>50505185

No we're not!!

>>50497190
Not to mention supporting the football fans heading there... in an Islamic country than bans booze.

>>50494442

My mother bought into this when I was young. Refused to let me play D&D for the longest time, and then Magic also though I just hid my decks from them.

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>>50505185

>>50505558
They are going to make special beer stands. Of course only after you will certfiy you are not local, by showing your pasport and visa every time you want to get a beer. And only beer.

I still don't understand why they wanted to held the games in the first place. I mean... why? What? Prestige wankery? It's hardly prestigeous when entire world already branded them corrupt fucks and slave owners due to the way how entire infrastructure is being build.

>>50495655
Is there a smug non-American meme face yet

>>50494884
>harry Potter protests

I remember those. And the Dogma protests. The Dogma protests were better because Kevin Smith actually participated in one and got on the news.

I don't remember exactly, but I think The Golden Compass movie also got some protests? Also, Eminem. I remember that being part of his appeal.

Anyway, evangelicals tend to protest anything they think is SATAN! in disguise. Really, if anything, it's progress. Used to be there'd be book burnings and such because people thought comics made you gay. Before that, they just burned you if they thought you had a bit of the devil in you.

Now they just form armed militias and get in standoffs with cops.

>>50497009
Yep, imagine a very poor version of the US. That's how shitty we are.

>>50495558

How does it feel to literally live in the town from Footloose?

>>50495752
>"D&D = Satanism and Suicide" ever really got widespread up here it was long dead by the time I got my hands on the hobby.

Well yeah, it was more of an 80's thing and died out in the early 90's.

>>50505876
>Also, Eminem. I remember that being part of his appeal.

That's what the song "White America" is about, really

I was born in the early 80s so I don't remember a lot of this shit, but I must say that culture was very, very different back then.
>Reagan Era
>Clinton Era
>9/11
>"Socjus tumblr everything is racist trannies are cool now instead of something unemployed writers use as a shitty trope" era

>>50497009
>Brazil must be a complete shithole

Guy I used to work with (Basically a mentor, professionally speaking) was from Brazil. Told me about the time a college there was shut down because some big gang basically said they had to, or they'd have to murder everyone on campus.

Or about how his friend's sister was kidnapped by a fake Taxi (A common occurrence there) and after her father paid the $3K ransom, he and the brother (aka the friend) went out looking for the guys, and she helped identify them. They murdered the fuck out of them. That same friend (I think) also checks up on an older couple that own a farm near him to make sure they don't get fucked with by bandits.

He also told me about a successful silver robbery (I forget if he knew someone involved, or knew someone that knew someone) and on the getaway plane realized they were too heavy, so the crew threw the fat guy out the plane and split his share among themselves.

He told me a lot of stories like that. Brazil is a pretty crazy place.

>>50497009
If you had any idea how many random ass murder webms on /gif/ were from Brazil...

>>50494714
Nah mate, my grandparents used to believe that.

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Not the 80s, but I and some friends got harassed by some kids when I got into Magic around Fourth Edition because it was supposedly Satanic. They would just follow us around telling us we were going to hell and all that shit.

It finally came down to a parent-faculty conference where parents of kids who played Magic brought in a wide variety of our cards and the manual to show to the teachers and staff.

As long as we only had our cards out during lunch or study hall we were fine and if the kids kept pulling any of their shit they'd get either detention or suspension as some of the shit they had been saying fell under death threats.

>>50505661
Basically the Sultan of Qatar had a gay son who he hated so he told him to fuck off and do something impossible, like get the World Cup.

And he managed it.

>>50505335
>so the threat of complete nuclear annihilation was in the back of everybodies mind
>implying that threat isn't alive and well now
Castro was right

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>>50496806
Because their identity is entirely wrapped up in one thing (being a mother) and they tend to come from or have entered a class where "accomplishment" is the sole value on which a person is based, and so therefore they must be an "accomplished" mother.
Rather than focusing on the things a good parent does (loving your kids, making sure they know they are loved, keeping them healthy, encouraging them, keeping them away from shitty personality traits and habits), they focus on weird little things that "prove" they are a "successful" mother.
That's why you see them forcing their kids to take up hobbies they hate, pushing them really hard to overachieve in fields they have neither interest nor natural talent for, and generally putting massive pressure on their kids while trying to publicly display all the habits that make them Good Mothers.
Hence why they're also massively overinvolved in PTAs and raise hell whenever something threatens little Timmy's success, such as a failing grade. Because little Timmy failing and having to re-take math because he just didn't quite get it means she's a Bad Mom, and she'll do whatever it takes to prove she's a Good, Successful Mom.
It triggers me a bit, as I think it contributes to generations of kids growing up extra-neurotic and shitty. Hypothetically, a full time mother from a financially stable home should be a wonderful boon for a child, but I know far more kids with working parents who grew up decent because their folks made it clear they were loved, and too many kids from the upper class who had to deal with huge issues because their parents were total weirdos about raising them.
Also, this:>>50496866

>>50507096
>too many kids from the upper class who had to deal with huge issues because their parents were total weirdos about raising them.


Ouch. Why you gotta be so real with us, Anon?

Actually it was more my mom was mentally ill and kind of a drug addict/alcoholic, and my dad wants to be (or at least appear to be) a good guy, but instead of just doing good/being good, he just tries to cover up his fuck ups/failings until things are so volatile that they explode in everyone's face and everyone else has to deal with the fallout and he just keeps doing the same shit and it's really frustrating, especially when other people meet him, because he's an affable guy, and they don't get why I don't get along with him.

Wait, fuck, I just proved your point.

I'm a pastor now, dnd fan since the first mainstream box. Interesting thine, Carl Sagan astronomy amazing for kids had back page adds for playing dnd.
My dad said it was the worst Christmas present he could have ever got me. I was told to burn my books and stuff my first year of bible college. I did.
I keep a first printing of 3.5 And in my collection, and here's some observations.
The whole satanic thing really brought me full circle. I play mostly war machine hordes, 40k and AoS. I have a board game group i play regularly with.
The 80s was a time where we had to learn to differentiate a game from true evils.

I heard it best explained this way. I can shoot a gun. I can use a gun to murder. The gun is not what is evil. Its just a game, however just as GW has been cleaning up its artwork the last 2 years, there was alot of demonic things discussed in the DMH.

Mazes and monsters movie. Classic. I want a magic bag of gold where i can pay the innkeeper every day and live on a lake. Way to go tom hanks! (Of course the only reason he made it so big was that he souls his soul to... oh I don't know, could be....)

>>50501295
irritating as fuck
my mom only recently stopped the whole thing about "D&D bad m'kay" shit after I showed her what shit it was... Nuking 30+ years of misinformation is fucking irritating.
I wasn't even allowed to play D&D heroes on the original xbox with my cousins.
Hell my grandparents had a fucking manual entitled "RECOGNIZING THE SIGNS OF SATANIC CULT ACTIVITY" that was for LEO use.
>Bible Thumper country : not even never

>>50496050
Interesting stuff, got any more for us?

>>50503176
>playing video games makes you a misogynist

>>50508376
>Hell my grandparents had a fucking manual entitled "RECOGNIZING THE SIGNS OF SATANIC CULT ACTIVITY" that was for LEO use.
You've got to steal it, scan it and post the PDF.

>>50508664
I buried it all in the past.

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>>50498858
>>50498984
git out newfags. I've been shitposting for at least 25 years, and I've never seen this sort of thread, except for the times I have

Lurk moar

>>50508760

anitasarkeesian.jpeg

>>50509296
See >>50509028

>>50509046
I haven't seen that thing in years otherwise would. it was fucking hilarious

>>50494442

Dude, is that a young Tom Hanks sitting on the girls left?

>>50510036
yes, please refer to mazes & monsters the movie

>>50497315
>That enemy became inconvenient so the USSR collapsed
That sounds like you're implying the collapse of the USSR is caused by American public perception

>>50510036
One of his first roles was in a claptrap Christfag film about the 'dangers' of D&D.

>>50494714
My mother was concerned that D&D was dangerous and she isn't even religious.

>>50495644
The ads have malware in them now, you know.

>>50495714
>Baguett
>internet provider is orange

100% Baguette, I guarantee it

>>50497402

Neeever ben scanned.

Degenerate.

I'm from Spain, and this is still a thing to some degree. Back in the late 80s we had this psycho weeaboo murder his family with a katana, and another dude disguising murder as some sort of LARP. Both of these were blamed on RPGs by the media, IIRC the latter was specifically blamed on Vampire the Masquerade (as it was massive popular here, along with Kult and the local Aquelarre).

As you can figure none of those murders had anything to do with RPGs at all, the perpetrators didn't even play RPGs, but they were starting to gain popularity and it was the same kind of fearmongering we see when video games are blamed for a school shooting. Personally I haven't had much trouble, but one of my players actually got in a few arguments with his dad, and a surprising good amount of people aged 40+ still think it involves some kind of occult rituals.

Been playing since '79. Mom had me talk to the Padre about D&D. Padre asked me if I thought any of it was real. I told him it's just a game. That was the end of that.

Most of the hysteria was fundies.

>>50498510
>you can just leave and join another one
Heck you can join the same one and discuss other facets of the topic without people knowing you're the guy who shit the bed earlier.

>>50498510
We spent 100,000+ years learning to save face irl. 20 years of anonymous posting won't override that

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>>50510036
Yes.

>>50516271
>Implying cavemen didn't constantly save face too
>Implying your ancient ancestor didn't care about looking impressive in front of the clan women
Your entire bloodline only exists because Ogg the caveman saved face enough to get laid

>>50504836
Revisionist history, my dude.

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>>50494442
>be kid
>mom doesnt let me pokemon or yu gi oh because it's satanic
>grow up and have little brother
>watches pokemon and Steven Universe
>parents tell him to stop
>tells them to fuck off
>it works
Why didn't I do that

>>50496070
>you will never refute someones retarded argument with a single image

I always find these threads interesting because they remind me just how much attitudes have changed. I attend a Southern Baptist church in rural North Carolina, and play D&D and MTG with the youth pastor, a guy who runs a Bible study, and three other churchgoers, and DM for a similar group. And we ain't exactly a liberal bunch. The youth pastor and Bible study guy actually introduced me to MTG.

When I was going to the first D&D session, my visiting grandmother from South Carolina asked what I was doing at game night. When I mentioned D&D, my dad, a former (also Southern Baptist) pastor goes, "That's Satanic!" with obvious sarcasm.

It's just interesting to me. I imagine there are a few holdouts, but by and large - and I suspect the success of The Lord of the Rings probably helped - it seems that the "fantasy is Satanic" BS has pretty much died even in places where 99% of the people are either Southern Baptist or Methodist.

Actually my friends mother is a cop and we found old training manuals that had playing RPGs as one of the signs of being a satanist in her attic long time ago.

Spic here.
That shit went all the way up to the 2000's. Everything /tg/ and vidya related was about Satan.

Good thing my parents never paid much attention to it. My cousins were brainwashed by their hardcore evangelic mom, though. Also a friend had a couple of videogame disks broken by his mom.

>>50520049
>and I suspect the success of The Lord of the Rings probably helped
Probably Narnia too, what with Lion Jesus and all.

>>50494714
I have a friend who never played pokemon till he was in his 20s because growing up, his parents wouldn't let him play because it had "evolution" in it

>>50494714
Bullshit, in middle school I was at a party with some friends and one of the kid's mothers came to pick him up because she heard we were planning to play DnD and she didn't want to lose him to Satan. And this was in the mid 90's.

>>50494974
Wow. I've never seen that before. Thanks for sharing. Y'know what's funny though? All through that book they don't say what BADD is or what that stands for. Luckily we have the Internet today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Pulling#B.A.D.D.