40K is for Autists

40k is overrated and bland.

>>50492544

>not understanding basic human psychology and our propensity for in group and out group behavior
>not understanding our ability to rationalize
>not seeing this coming a mile away

>>50492544
>and end up viewing the Imperial Gobernment and Inquisition as the good guys
Well yeah, have you seen the alternatives?

Besides the Tau anyway, but they came much later.

>>50492544
Well, duh. Everyone knows GW fucked the lore when they took it seriously. Warhammer was supposed to be campy with 80's Hair Band Noise Marines, Cocaine-fueled Daemon Princes, and Orks that fucked with causality because they believed in crazy shit.

>>50492606
This. 40k literally started out as dungeons the designing: the boardgame

>>50492623
>>50492606
Anyone want to "fix" the lore and make it as ridiculous as it's supposed to be? We're about overdue for a new Alternate 40k setting. Besides, Rogue Trader would be awesome in in classic 40k.

>>50492573
so's ur mum

>>50492663
With the advent of cheap 3d printers we could just make our own campy fun cheap as shit, sci-fi board game

>>50492663
Give all books to matt ward.
>drogo is samurai jack

>>50492544
>>Literal-minded Sperglords literalize everything I write and end up viewing the Imperial Gobernment and Inquisition as better than any alternatives.

FTFY

At least get it right.

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>>50492544
>>50492581
>>50492606
>make a knock off of 1984 but in space with nazis
>get upset that people turn it into an original series albeit as a smorgasbord of pre-developed 20th era cultural trends, myths legends and yes. As a "literal" interpretation of a benevolent dictatorship with a literal god as the human race's leader.

What would the message of the original script give?
That life is shitty under imposed responsibilities and false idol worship? It has already been fucking done countless god damn times, if it offends you solely because your own work was misinterpreted and sold under the guise of your title then that is understandable but the original story is bleak uninteresting trash that was essentially a fedora tip and a middle finger towards the dime-a-dozen third world dictators back in the cold war, but nobody cared since we've established democracies around most of the world.

these threads are bait and we don't need your opinion.

Polite sage

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>>50492595
>Implying Tau are nice to anyone that isn't part of their Nazi style master race.

>>50493289
Wow, muricans really ruined what little there was of value in 40k. Congrats, burger.

>>50492606
>Everyone knows GW fucked the lore when they took it seriously.
they always took it seriously

Carnivorous sand clams and catachan face eaters hiding in toilets are absurd. Squats on wartrikes fighting Centaur-dinosaurs with bioguns are absurd. But they're treated seriously within the setting itself, rather than "lmao look at how 80's we are with hair metal and british things xDD".

REEEEEE, BAIT, MY 40k Mary Sue IS PURE, PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE!

>>50493289
>implying 40k isn't literally a game for autistic children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeGaffIJvHM&t=3m49s

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>>50493486
If you're complaining about a mythos written in 1980 something and has since been altered completely indistinguishable then it's pretty blatant that you're looking just to bait.

You're free to read whatever transcript that the original writer had before hundreds of others chimed in and rewrote itbut you can't claim superiority when all you had before was - again - a knock off of Orwell's 1984 but in space with orthadox nazis and orcs

Also if you claim you were a fan of something before it changed and have since been complaining about the direction it took and how you're a "true fan" then you aren't a fan t begin with - you just enjoyed the single idea that it was and disapprove of the direction it took. You have no argument but to sit in your own contempt achieving nothing while throwing snide remarks at the current fans; which clearly outnumber you and enjoy the series still.

>>50493550
Nothing is stopping you from criticising 40k, but getting upset and posting more and more fucking threads when people tell you the things that upset you don't upset them is just childish.

Go into a 40k thread and start this shit, and when you get told to fuck off because your complaints don't matter DON'T MAKE A USELESS THREAD

>>50493489
Yes, but at least they acknowledged that it was absurd.

>>50493489
>arnivorous sand clams and catachan face eaters hiding in toilets are absurd
what is the complaint here

seriously, it's aliens vs man in space in the future and you complain about shit like this when on EARTH we aready have leeches that wait in the water for you to take a piss and swim THROUGH YOUR PISS STREAM AND INTO YOU DICK.

but no, an alien hiding in a toilet is too absurd? gosh anon

just gosh.

>>50493572
The most serious-business period of 40k's lifespan as a setting was the point in time when they were publishing comics written and drawn by the guys mostly responsible for working on 2000AD.

This is also the point in time they had a man in head office proclaiming himself as High Overfiend of all 40k, running around head office with a replica bolt pistol.

>>50493596
Should I redact my post with sufficiently absurd elements for His Royal Majesty, or will He understand that's not the point of my post?

so what direction is better?
overt parody?
or military fiction with drama?
if you mix it, then what should be emphasised?

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>>50493645
If your mind cannot handle imagining a lifestyle more absurd then a struggless childhood in a rural environment when reading about space aliens then whatever else you say is clearly to benign for me to feign interest.

This board is synonymous with *fantasy*. feel free to fuck off to anywhere that stays in line with your dry toast expectations of literature.

>>50493649
No point, because some people can't and won't understand parody and take 40k seriously despite everything pointed out.

Prime example:>>50493571

>>50493649
>>50493693
It's pretty much unsalvageable at this point.

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>>50493649
You can do both, and what's best about warhammer is that it's wirtten by dozens of writers each with their own perspective.

So having 2 series that are polar opposites with the examples you just gave are perfectly fine, but taken out of context and using it as criticism like
>WHY IS THERE ORCS COOKING AND BEING JOLLY AND FUNNY IN THE SAME UNIVERSE WHERE THERE IS A MAN CONFLICTED ABOUT HIS DUTY TO SERVE HIS RACE AND HIS FORBIDDEN ALIEN LOVE AND CHILD

>>50493693
I'm pretty confused as to why you finger me as someone who can't imagine warhammer as both campy and poetic. Were you looking to samefag and paint me as someone "wrong" in a completely different context? because that post you pointed to had nothing to do with such a polarising argument.

>>50493461
A Tau commander sacrificed himself and his Stormsurge suit to protect fleeing Imperials civilians from being bombed to death by their own side.

>>50493684
Are you deliberately being this retarded, or is it just incidental to your severe brain hemorrhaging.

>>50493748
No, but you clearly are.

>b-but muh 40kids invented sci-fi, grimdark, miniature wargaming
>b-but 40kids minis are THE GREATES OF ALL

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>>50493827
>>who am I quoting?

I hope upcoming "Age Of Emperor" will blast 40kids arses sky hight.

>>50492573
Battletech is overrated and bland.

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>>50493955
Warmachine is overrated and bland.

>>50492573
Overrated? Absolutely. Bland? More like tacky.

>>50492544
>Hurrrr why isn't rogue trader canon anymore durrrrrrr

>>50492544
The empire is an oligarchy you fucking tard

>>50493955
Lliterally who?

>>50494030
>implying there is proper canon in the first place and not just various different headcanons dickwawing at each other

>>50494043
>oligarchies can't be dictatorships

Ok, Mr. Putin.

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>>50493966
Infinity is overrated and bland.

>>50494049
HEH BTECH FUNS JUST GOT BUTTBLASED

U TOOK MY EBIN BAIT XDDDDD

LMAO BTECH KIDS

>>50494108
Shillary called.

i'm glad his new game has decent fluff and an alright system
bloody shame about most of the models though
>>50494186
you got all that there shit taste boy

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>>50494195
more like BurgerKids mirite?

cringiest sci-fi fandom and im not kidding

>>50494186
Skub is overrated and bland.

>>50494208
>b-but mum, battletech is racist!

>>50492544

> Implying I give a fuck.

I hope Rick does well for himself though, he's a nice guy. GoA looks promising.

>>50494245
its actually pretty good, and has a healthy community in my area, the d10 and pinning system are both awesome, as is the bolt action order dice thing
ghar are fucking overpowered though, cancerous fucking faction, super boring to play against because its impossible to kill anything if your opponent doesnt suck ass at rolling dice

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>>50494235
>mfw i discover btech is raycis

40cuks, why scale on your glorious miniatures is so fucked up?

>>50493649
I'd just reboot things, make it a bit less grimderp, keep the self-aware absurdity, bring back squats and not hand out the IP to authors who don't give a shit about in-universe consistency.

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>>50493596
Welp, I didn't need to know this.

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>>50494339

So you'd kill it?

That isn't what were looking for anon.

>>50494186
Way to prove your point by not posting art of the game itself, kid.

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>>50494412
Infinity is overrated and bland

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>>50494412
HEH, I CALLED HIM "KID"

GOTEEEEEEEEEEM XDDDDD

POSTIN' TO REDDIT

>>50494485
HAHAH, I DEFUSED THE SITUATION BY GOING ALL CAPS!! MY GLORIOUS BUBBLE WAS PRESERVED BY THIS INGENIOUS STRAWMAN! SCREENCAPPING THIS TO 9GAG.COM.

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>>50494499
GOTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM

>>50492544
That's mostly just 4chan (read: /pol/). Extreme authoritarianism and racism, combined with a premise that justifies both click with them (see: HFY threads and similar drivel). Combine that with GW marketing 40k as "Glorious Spees Muhreens vs Evil Aliens/Heretics/Robots/Psykers/etc." and you have a recipe for oversimplification.

>>50493966
>Warmachine is overrated and bland
The IK setting is pretty great.

>>50493007
Oh my Emperor.

Ward was right all along.

>>50495638
God almighty you sound like an insufferable cunt.

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>>50493596

The Candiru doesn't actually do that, numbnuts. It's a myth propogated by some idiot dumb scientist trying to get attention. It's never been proven.

However, they WILL try and hang out in your urethra if your whole body is immersed in the water, so don't go wading in the Amazon. Amazon is literally just Catachan: The Topographical Region. There's a reason there are tribes in there we've never had contact with: the place is too fucking crazy and deadly to easily penetrate. When the apocalypse happens, those people will be fine because they're isolated and already live in a deathtrap anyway.

>>50492606
I feel like they always took the lore seriously, in that the characters were never sapient of how absurd their universe was (it was never like an SNL skit where characters were cracking up over how silly things were - the characters always were serious). The visuals and themes were silly and campy, but the characters took the universe seriously.

>>50494043
See >>50494108

It is still a dictatorship, even if there are multiple oligarchs who use the figurehead emperor as justification.

>>50495638
Yeah that sounds about right.

>>50492663
>We're about overdue for a new Alternate 40k setting
Imperium asunder is pretty recent isn't it?

>>50493622
>This is also the point in time they had a man in head office proclaiming himself as High Overfiend of all 40k, running around head office with a replica bolt pistol
really ?

>>50492544
Well, when you make faith in that god-like figure and the autocratic state that formed in his wake necessary to the survival of humanity, countless trillions of souls spread across the stars assaulted in every direction by beasts, demons and aliens who heroically fight every moment just to survive, ya.

What do I know though. I play Harlequin with DA allies.

Modern 40k is bad because the current writers are all shit and the consumers don't have a problem with this.

>>50499162
Nah, that's just Brittish projection regarding how they feel about their place in the world followed by laughing it off.

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>>50493747
Would love the source on that.
Not as a dig at you, I totally buy it, I just wanna read it myself.
Frankly, I hate that some fans think Tau are all Orwellian all the time. They're fun because they still believe in "sapient rights" for all their faults as people (Imperialism, caste system, more-or-less racist, etc.).

>>50493747

The fucking Tau invading were the reason they were being shelled to begin with.

>>50492544
>sell the setting as lies and half-truths
>bring out the likes of ADB and Laura Goldie, who decide to spill the beans on what's canon and what's not
>make a whole novel series about one the most mythological period of the setting's history and decide to make it very much a first account telling of what happened with little ambiguity

I miss the days before carnacism, when we could just talk about various pieces of fluff and how they all fit together, without having to worry about what's the most canon of them. It's not even the newest piece, it seems, because Goldie insists that BL is correct and anything that contradicts it is the lies and half-truths, BL is fact.

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>>50492544

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>>50494390
>Fantasy is dead
I will never let it be so. It lives on at my table.

>>50506727
Ruining storytelling is what strict canon does best, though.

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>>50506727
>BL is fact

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>>50492544
>a god-like figure whose existence is dubious at best
I guess.

>mfw there was at least one bit of 1st edition fluff which stated - from an objective viewpoint - that a lot of the Imperium's oppressiveness is justified even if not all of it is

>>50492606
>Orks that fucked with causality because they believed in crazy shit.
That wasn't introduced until after GW started "taking it seriously", in the same edition* which tried harder than any before or since to darken the Orks' image (or rather, to emphasise the darker elements that had always been there).

* Only counting design studio stuff here, i.e. how the race is typically presented, in case anyone wants to bring up a certain novel series that deals with a fairly unique period and from the perspective of the greenies' enemies.

You all know its a story game where you can use your imagination to do whatever with your plastic mens and your friends right?

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>>50507439
Having a copy of the book myself.

Where the FUCK do people get the idea that t he majority of RT -era 40k was just le XD memes and light comedy? Yes it had absurd shit in it , but for the most part it took itself quite seriously.

>>50507549
As has been pointed out before, the universe was very serious in practice, but had a cheesy 80s aesthetic. That was part of its charm - a thick surface layer of campy 80s cheese with a serious demeanour.

>>50507549
looks like the artist made the whole picture and then didn't feel like applying effort to the gun

>>50492606
dude, when the 20th century ended, the metal/alternative rock craze was over too

>>50493571
>Also if you claim you were a fan of something before it changed and have since been complaining about the direction it took and how you're a "true fan" then you aren't a fan t begin with - you just enjoyed the single idea that it was and disapprove of the direction it took.
>it's impossible to be a fan of the original concept of a piece of fiction and to dislike later works
srsly?

>You have no argument but to sit in your own contempt achieving nothing
being a fan of something is about achievements?

>>50492663
They tried that with Necrons and people bitched

>>50498584
>I feel like they always took the lore seriously, in that the characters were never sapient of how absurd their universe was (it was never like an SNL skit where characters were cracking up over how silly things were - the characters always were serious). The visuals and themes were silly and campy, but the characters took the universe seriously.
That's just the characters having a British stiff upper lip and doing a deadpan delivery of the situation.

>>50506727
Yeah, those days were great. Having ambiguity was actually fun because it let your own imagination play with it. BL was also better when they didn't write stories about the key players in e setting and just told a tale about the underdog going on adventure in an overwhelming setting.

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>>50492544
>make thing with Nazis on steroids IN SPACE
>wonder when people idolize it
Wow, who could have ever forseen this?

>>50510734
I recall reading in a WD from the early 2000's when the writer made it clear that the Imperium was a combination of all the most vile dictatorships from history mashed into one.

>>50495638
you need to bleach your stomach m8

>>50505761
>They are fun because they don't belong in 40k
Jesus. Go back to literally any other sci fi IP.

>>50503865
>all shit and the consumers don't have a problem with this.
This is the reason for a lot of things being bad.

>>50508834
This is what autists believe, yes. What is the source of your confusion?

>>50510754
>make Nazis in space
>also add in Soviets, old guard Russia and Germany, colonial Brits and the Crusades and staple skulls onto everything
Well if they wanted people to dislike it they certainly did a pretty at job at it

>>50510734
>people like a dystopian setting
>must mean they're all white nationalists

wut?

See, a big problem is that the game doesn't offer an alternative. It's either Imperium or fuck humanity. Well, I don't want humanity to get fucked, that's where I keep all my DNA stuff. So when everyone in the galaxy is an asshole, the asshole that stands by you side is better than the assholes that are against you. It also doesn't help that GW makes Marines out to be stoic heroes, Inquisition doing a thankless job of playing number wang with the people of the Imperium, Guard being the wall of meat upon which the incoming waves of darkness crashes, etc.

Christ, people like Judge Dredd and you can't tell me it's because of the positive, freedom loving message it has.

>>50492573

40k might be overrated but it sure doesn't lack flavor

>>50510734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4kRRcI5nMk

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>>50510901
Nice job jumping the gun on this one. What I meant is that a lot of people like Nazi aesthetics. Understandably, as they got 10/10 when it came to style

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>>50510901
>making a 45 minute video about a shitty clickbait article
The hero we deserve

>>50510992
Yeah, the autism in the video made me cringe.

>>50510758
Oh dear, did he bring a dissenting voice into your safe space? You poor little thing.

>>50510997
>cringe.
treddit

>>50511012
It's a word, you faggotron.

>>50511021
>faggotron
treddit

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Rogue Trader was fucking garbage.

>>50511062
The same could be said about modern 40k.

>>50511103
People say it all the time. Pretending that RT was any better is ludicrous though.

>>50511062
>those poor storm troopers and their dislocated shoulders

>>50510962
Americans looked better

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>>50492544
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>>50510962
>post a picture of some neo-Nazi retards
>"it's to illustrate how Nazis had style, u gais"

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>>50492544
>user was banned for this post

>>50495663
It's litterally just high fantasy with robots.

>old fluff writers grew up reading all the great classics in science fiction and fantasy and also had an interest in history
>as a result they had a lot of good ideas to throw into the setting to keep it interesting

>new fluff writers grew up reading 40k codexes, White Dwarf and Black Library and don't have any interest in history
>as a result it's just a bunch of used up ideas that keeps getting recycled and no one has an original thought

>>50510816

Actually, the punchline of 40k has always been 'humanity is really actually pretty shitty, and chances are good we're going to wipe ourselves out because we're narrow minded, cling to tradition, and leap to aggression and tribalism at the first opportunity'.

It was the 80s. Fucking everything British was about that. We have literally no evidence that the Imperium is the best solution there is, because no one has been able to try anything different for fear of it going wrong. All hope is quashed under the oppressive boot of the Imperial Credo.

The message isn't 'the Imperium is the best of a bad set of choices', it's 'everything is fucked, we lost, this is just us slowly dying off'. That's ALWAYS been the point. It's literally in the entire backstory: the Emperor utterly doomed mankind. It is *unambiguously* that British tongue-in-cheek-but-not-really-but-still-might-as-well-have-a-laugh-isn't-fuck-else-to-do black humor that spawned things like the fourth series of Blackadder.

>>50511901
I'm fully aware of the inspirations and history of 40k universe, but I'm talking about how players ended up with the "Imperium r gud gais" line of thinking.

>We have literally no evidence that the Imperium is the best solution there is

Ok, what alternatives there are? Eldar don't give a shit about animals. Chaos just wants to feed on us. Orks would enslave us. Tau would make us into neutered indentured servants to their cause. Tyranids would eat us. Necrons probably enslave as well. It's not about moral good, it's about "which one of these factions is gonna look after humanity's best interests?"

It's no different from Dredd, where the mega cities are bad places where democracy is illegal and people are drugged to keep them in line. But when it's either that or the cursed earth, you don't have much alternatives. When options are between a dictatorship and anarchy, grand ideas of liberty and freedum don't weigh much.

>>50506739

He's looking more and more like a bond villain as he ages.

>>50511901
Or it's simply a game that took "used future" a step farther, because there was a niche for such a setting. And it prevented them from having to create rules for actual futuristic stuff.
Or it was cultural osmosis with various satirical cultural works of the period.
Or someone simply reread Foundation the day before.
40k can be approached from a lot of directions.

>the oppressive boot of the Imperial Credo
The Ecclesiarchy is pretty chill. They might have an occasional quarrel that ends with a couple quadrillions dead people, but otherwise, as long as you think that the Emprah is the supreme being and that mankind is superior to xenos, you're in. That's far better than any RL religion.

>>50511851
It's not a recent problem.
I remember an old turn-of-the-century newspaper article complaining about authors getting inspiration from genre litterature like swashbucking novels, resulting in clichéd works.
More recently, you have some mangas that use video game elements like levels or interfaces.
Most of the time, people copy the ones that came right before them.

>>50511851

Honestly, the 1E DH books are some of the best sci fi-horror sourcebooks out there. You know why? It's not Warhammer 40k: the RPG.

Hear me out.

Contained within the first edition of Dark Heresy, you will find *barely* one and a half armies from 40k represented (Imperial Guard and Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle sort of exist, but are mostly (yes, I am aware one of the PC paths is 'Guardsman', thus 'mostly') peripheral and have little relevance to the actual game). Space Marines are almost completely absent. Sisters make a stronger appearance than any other army. Eldar are almost completely absent. Tyrands, Necrons, Orks, and even Chaos itself, as represented in its codices, barely exist in the Dark Heresy setting. There is no grand, perpetual war spanning the battlefields of every planet. The Imperial Guard is off on an edge of the sector somewhere, and they're kind of around most of the time. They make their primary showing in modules like the final chapter of the Haarlock Saga, where an elite squad of Stormtrooper types goes with the PCs into the depth of an abandoned outpost.

This has a lot of effects on the setting. For one, it's less ridiculous. Space Marines (of both stripes) are a distant myth, Orks are even more distant, and almost no one even knows what a Tyranid or a Necron is. The huge, macro-scale absurdities of 40k armies simply don't exist in the setting. Second, relatedly, it's much more micro. Individual modules tend to be a skeleton plot around a sprawling setting, almost certainly built as a way of saying 'here's a cool place to run adventures!'. To dip back into the Haarlock saga, the first volume is a perfect example of this: there are two major characters that serve absolutely no importance to the plot but are crucial to the setting of the despotic pleasure planet that are *painfully* shoehorned into the module so they can exist for use outside of the module.

I've played since the Rogue Trader days no one took it seriously it was campy fun.

>>50505761
Storm of Damocles.

>>50505947
They were liberating the humans from the tyranny of the Imperium.

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Nice to see that the mods are still doing their jobs.

>>50511515
Are you pretending to be retarded again?

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>>50492544
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>>50512173

You've got varied and distinct Imperial worlds, from Forge to Feral, where you have varied cultures and credes. There is, in fact, a *distinct* lack of 'Planet of Hats', which is shocking for what is literally a genre licensed RPG and RPGs in general. Honestly, the whole LINE is shocking for genre licensed RPGs. Nothing in Dark Heresy sells any of the product from which it was spawned except for maybe IG or SoB; it's almost completely divorced.

It also lets Chaos function in a way that is deeply narratively satisfying: as a background, environmental element, not a unified, rampaging army. Cultists exist, but no one chaos cult has a god damn thing to do with any other (they're just as likely to worship a literal murder room, a specific demon, or even just the basic idea of hate as they are one of the big four). Chaos as a whole just fits into the setting of Dark Heresy better than it does into 40k.

Dark Heresy is (as stated on the label, and I'm paraphrasing) roleplaying in the 41st millenium, not Warhammer 40k: the RPG, and it is a much, much better game for it.

>>50512070

None of your 'alternatives' clash, in any way, with the point I was making. I don't honestly have any idea what you're trying to say, aside from a burning need to make the point that the Ecclessiarchy isn't that bad, which is... by the standards of the setting, mostly true.

>>50512040

The entire point of the game, from bottom to top, is that *the Imperium is not looking after humanities best interests*. No one and nothing is. The Imperium is slowly strangling the life out of humanity, and it has long passed the point where anyone can do anything about it. It is a DEEPLY fatalistic setting.

That's also the point of Judge Dredd, for what it's worth. There is no lesser of two evils. It's all just horrible.

>>50492573
My only issue isn't with 40k but 40k fans who refused to touch WFB.

FB was a better more fleshed out setting by almost any standard but because it just looked like "boring Tolkien" to normies they gravitated towards 40k and then the even shittier setting of Warmachine after 40k became too expensive for them. And now there's just Age of Shitmar.

At least I still have Kings of War.

...Why was the user banned for this post?

>>50512070
Well, people write what they know and a boring person will write a boring story.

>>50512391
My favourite aspect of the WHFB setting was how the Empire related to all fantastical stuff in the setting. It helps to have a point of view that is more along the lines of the everyman instead of just having a faction where everyone is a hero.

>>50512349
>I know nothing of 40k: the post

>>50512395
Trolling outside of /b/

>>50499016
That was Andy C's informal title, yes. Occasionally you'd see him brandishing the pistol on people who lost battle reports for failing him.

The tone of the setting was dead serious because of his attempts to update everything and expand the game universe, but the devs were still being goofs about it. Despite his quirks (c'tan doing everything was not something I cared for), fluff quality started taking a downturn after he left.

>>50512503
IF ONLY THE FUCKING MODS WERE TO BAN+LOCK THE REPEATED CONSTANT SHITPOSTING THREADS AS WELL

>>50512508
It did keep trickeling downwards the more of the oldbeards that left GW.

>>50512525
This gets a ban, but the Excuse Me poster is still going strong.

Why are the mods such shit?

>>50513134
This. Mods ins Gas

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>>50513134
You really think Excuse Me posts are made by just one guy? When it's been shown to be the easiest way to troll /tg/?

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>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Always love seeing this happen.

>>50492544
mods=gods

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>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

This made my day abit less shit.

>>50512255
Don't blame me for your shitty posts.

>>50492544
MODS HAD SPOKEN

>>50512459
>I know nothing of 40k: the post
He is right, though. Warhammer 40k started out portraiting the Imperium as a dystopian, ineffectual and corrupt police state in which the bulk of its horror and misery was self-inflicted, whose once vast scientific knowledge had degenerated into religious mysticism and whose population had reverted into crude barbarians. It was never supposed to be a necessary evil, just an evil on itself.

>>50512349
>the Imperium is not looking after humanities best interests

Nobody said "best", but if every other faction wants human dead and Imperium wants humans (as a species) to rule, how is it hard to see that to some they're "ze gut guys"? They're not a moral good, but out of all the factions, Imperium is the only one putting for humanity.

>>50514410
>take two badly shopped joke pics at face value
I'm afraid you might actually be mentally impaired, lad.

>>50514449
No, not a necessary evil, the smaller of several evils. Unless you can present a faction in the setting more capable and willing to look after humanity than the Imperium.

>>50514464
>"It's just a prank brah!"

>>50514498
>Unless you can present a faction in the setting more capable and willing to look after humanity than the Imperium.
That is the modern interpretation of the Imperium. Before that, the Imperium was just another aspect of the misery in 40k, wholly unnecessary in its methods and goals. For example, it is/was cannon that the imperial guard would periodically massacre the populations of hives for population control and that the average imperial citizen had standards of living that would make the standards of a chinese factory worker look luxurious.

>>50493596
What the other anon said.

The myth that those parasites can somehow swim UP your pee stream is a ridiculous idea perpetrated by sensationalists and bored 9th graders who want to gross out their bestfriends. Not actually possible, as far as nature is concerned.

>>50514652
>That is the modern interpretation of the Imperium.

And that's why some people would perceive the Imperium as "the good guys." If you're gonna root for humanity, it's the only real option, good or bad. One man's dictator is another man person's el presidente.

>>50498584
>It is still a dictatorship, even if there are multiple oligarchs who use the figurehead emperor as justification.

You can't really have a figurehead dictatorship, anon. As soon as the dictator stops having real power, he's no longer a dictator - unless you're talking about someone who actually claimed 'Dictator' as his title, but that's not the case here, either.

I mean, the definition can be a bit stretchy, but the term 'dictator' generally refers to strongmen who got an established government to give them (near-)absolute power. Think of Franco, Pinochet, or (for an example where there was still a king) Mussolini. Or Cincinnatus, who relinquished his dictatorship after he had done his job.

The Imperium of Man is actually pretty hard to classify, in fact. When the Emperor started out he was, well, an empire-builder. He didn't usurp a pre-existing polity; he built an all-new state pretty much from scratch. And then he became more and more focused on statebuilding. He appointed Horus as warmaster and established the Council of Terra, and thus gave up more and more of his power. Those aren't things that fit the profile of a dictator, or any other easily classifiable form of government, for that matter. I suppose you could say that it started out as an absolute monarchy (which is still not the same thing as a dictatorship), but even then, things were really changing by the end of the Great Crusade.

And then the Heresy came along and changed things even more. Amusingly, you *could* argue that Guilliman (during his time as Lord-Commander of the Imperium) and Goge Vandire were dictators of the Imperium, as they did attain near-absolute power in a pre-existing polity.

You could also argue that the Imperium of Man is an absolute monarchy in theory - but then you still run into the fact that the Emperor is, well, dead. He's more of a deified dead legendary king than anything else - a bit like what Osiris was to ancient Egypt.

>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
For what reason?

>>50515076
Obvious shitposting.

>>50515076
It's always shocking to realise that 4chan actually does have rules but trolling is a bannable offence on most boards. it hardly ever happens but I guess a mod was browsing through and had just about had enough.

>>50515272
Not just trolling, just making intentionally low quality posts. But yeah, you either need enough people to inundate with reports, or if the mod happens upon and decides it is shitposting that no one on the board wants.

>>50510816
> Christ, people like Judge Dredd and you can't tell me it's because of the positive, freedom loving message it has.
The Judges are more positive and freedom loving than the modern US. Sure, they love tossing people in the cubes for practically anything, but from what we've seen the cubes are way better than most prisons in the US. Simply the fact that everyone gets their own cell where they don't have to worry about being shanked 24/7 puts it in a whole different league.

>>50515064
Isn't the Imperium more like an Theocratic Oligarchy? And even then, the Imperium is so widespread, and travel and communications are so unreliable, they can't micromanage the Imperium, so the day to day business of sectors and planets boils down to governors can do whatever they want so long as they worship the Emperor in a way the Ecclesiarchy approves, pay their taxes, and hand over their psykers.

>>50515462
It pretty much is, yes. Though the Ecclesiarchy doesn't fully control the Imperial government (the Ecclesiarch is just one of the High Lords), religion is so deeply interwoven with power, governance and legitimacy in the Imperium that you can indeed call it a theocracy.

>And even then, the Imperium is so widespread, and travel and communications are so unreliable, they can't micromanage the Imperium
In that regard, the Imperium actually a pretty typical empire. Just look at the colonial empires, or even the more exotic provinces of imperial Russia.

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>>50492581
This, you said it 100% man. I think these guys are so focused on spreading their "oh dictators are so bad" or "oh blindly following something is so bad" message that they get mad when people turn it into something fun

>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Ha, eat shit.

>>50492544
Mods=gods

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Thank you based mods!

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>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

I have no picture worthy of this so have a mildly amusing CK2 screen cap.

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>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
MODS = GODS

>>50514449
I still think that this is the best version of the Imperium.

>>50515243
He was right, though

>>50520212
Based mods obviously disagree.

It seems to me like the mod who banned this anon was simply upset that someone was pointing out the flaws in one of his favorite settings.

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>>50492544
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>50510816
>See, a big problem is that the game doesn't offer an alternative.

Yeah it does.

The alternative is improving the Imperium. The Imperium has never been about people doing what's necessary, it's about people doing what's retarded out of ignorance and fear, and the system sustaining itself via sheer inertia. It's a system that no longer works, but is breaking down over such a long period that it appears, to someone on the inside and in a rare position of comfort, to sorta work.

>Christ, people like Judge Dredd and you can't tell me it's because of the positive, freedom loving message it has

People like Judge Dredd because it is satire. It is depressing, darkly humorous fiction about how eager humanity can be to sign over its freedoms in the face of fear, and how difficult it is to win those freedoms back once they've been given away.

Nobody wants to live in Mega-City 1.

>>50526165
The others in this thread may not agree with you, or even the mods themselves, but I do. Thank you for making me feel less like the only sane man in an army of lunatics.

>>50516147
That's not what that guy is saying.

He's saying the way Imperium fans act is in fact indicative of what 40K is about - that people will always draw lines in the sand and try to rationalize their tribe into a position of righteousness no matter what.

>>50493570
Top Kek, lmao that retarded cgi

>>50526165
I like you, Anon and I agree.