Hektor Heresy

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First for National Guilt Trip Month.

>>50486769
>The Traitors are settled, so we can move forward!
Ronin's not doing the Dreameaters?

>>50487001
He intends to keep working on them, but at the same time, we're not going to wait for him and he knew it when he started. If he brings forth a solid product we might integrate it, but we aren't going to wait for him to finish. 2 years for Uriel was enough.

>>50487174
The poor kid should just quit while he's ahead then. No way anyone is going approve his stuff if it forces them to do rewrites.

"I'm going to leave without ever addressing any of your concerns except by uselessly saying Hektor is not Horus."

>>50489004
Care to explain what you think is wrong with the draft at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hektor_Heresy so far?

>>50489147
I see nothing wrong with it.

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Okay, we have a fucking problem. We've got some copypasta going on in the Entombed legion page. Someone took paragraphs about Istvaan and replaced the names, except they forgot to remove some of the Istvaans so it's pretty obvious.

>>50489350
It is possible that Isstvan was once a thing in the project, before everything got changed.

>>50489279
OK, so I put it that >>50489004 (and you may or may not be that guy) is really a complaint that I didn't hang about in IRC to discuss the course that hasn't yet been written. Now, I know that people in this project are very fond of shadowy cabals, but it seemed to me that it would be better to get the outline done so that it can be discussed in thread.

>>50489350
I'm not sure that's Copypasta. Earlier in the project the idea that we'd just go through the events of the Horus Heresy with the new Legions was pushed and uncritically accepted. Several contributors wrote about things happening at Istvaan, including Golgothos/Alexios. The Entombed page hasn't really been updated since he went off to do his own thing and it seems to me that the mentions of Istvaan are just legacies rather than plagiarism.

>>50489418
>OK, so I put it that >>50489004 (You) (and you may or may not be that guy) is really a complaint that I didn't hang about in IRC to discuss the course that hasn't yet been written.
It was a complaint that you signed off the IRC with a bitchy comment because Asymptotic and I can't read your mind.

>I'm not sure that's Copypasta. Earlier in the project the idea that we'd just go through the events of the Horus Heresy with the new Legions was pushed and uncritically accepted. Several contributors wrote about things happening at Istvaan, including Golgothos/Alexios. The Entombed page hasn't really been updated since he went off to do his own thing and it seems to me that the mentions of Istvaan are just legacies rather than plagiarism.
I hope so.

>>50489479
Regarding the Entombed, the Istvaan-related stuff will have to be rewritten anyway, because Ostium isn't playing quite the same role now. So in the unlikely event that it is plagiarised (and I don't think that's Golgy/Alexios' style), it'll be gone anyway.

If you would like to repeat your concerns about the draft so far, I'm happy to discuss them in thread and rewrite if necessary. But it didn't seem to me that you had concerns about the draft so far except that the Hektor Heresy was (like the Horus Heresy) less than a decade. This was "lame". In my view, the relatively short timeframe just represents the intensity of both conflicts and the efficiency of Warp Travel. (Hopefully fight-fans will be comforted by the prospect of another seven years of Scouring immediately following the Heresy!)

Everything else was directed at what hadn't been written, with questions about the major events of Horus's Heresy. Horus's Heresy doesn't matter in the AU. The Hektor Heresy should follow its own logic, based on a very similar material situation (9 Primarchs a side) but different personalities and different politics.

Now, you could say that there need to be events, but I'm not claiming to have a finished draft. I'm saying that hanging out in IRC and telling a couple of people what I have in mind is clique behaviour. Instead, I should be writing a draft to put in front of everyone interested in the project. Are we clear?

Our Heresy should last considerably longer than the canon heresy. We have no Istvaan, so there are going to be way more loyalists (we have 2 legions getting rekt early on instead of 3), so more loyalists in the war. Plus, No Ultramar and no Imperium Secundus, so more loyalists active in the war, which is good, because we have no Russ for an epic warp-faring navigation montage to get everybody to terra through the warpstorm.

>>50489667
>Horus's Heresy doesn't matter in the AU.
This is objectively false if you insist on following the same timeframe as the Horus Heresy.

If we're keeping to the same timeframe, we have to consider what events stretched the Heresy out to that length, and what events will have to happen in our AU in order to keep the same duration of the conflict.

>Now, you could say that there need to be events, but I'm not claiming to have a finished draft. I'm saying that hanging out in IRC and telling a couple of people what I have in mind is clique behaviour. Instead, I should be writing a draft to put in front of everyone interested in the project. Are we clear?
Not really, because I have to winder why you didn't just say that at the time instead of repeatedly telling us useless information and then leaving with a passive aggressive comment.

>>50489768
>We have no Istvaan, so there are going to be way more loyalists
OK. I will tackle this one bit because it's kinda-sorta in the time frame addressed by the draft so far.

There's no Istvaan, but we do have the Sacred Band. That means there are senior and highly respected veterans in most Legions who have ties of loyalty to Hektor personally. Their influence means that there will be substantial fractions of Loyalist Legions declaring for Hektor and fewer Marines from the Traitor Legions declaring for Terra.

This is what I mean by "Hektor isn't Horus". He is a different person with different strengths. Horus was a gangster-turned-general and got his material advantage with an unexpected knife to the gut. Hektor was an ultra-charismatic personality and got his material advantage because people couldn't help but adore him.

>>50489808
I don't see the point in trying to extend an argument. If you really dislike my approach, just write a competing draft. Then we can weigh the two against one another, decide which outline is generally better and perhaps use material from the weaker candidate to make the best possible synthesis.

>>50489922
>There's no Istvaan, but we do have the Sacred Band. That means there are senior and highly respected veterans in most Legions who have ties of loyalty to Hektor personally. Their influence means that there will be substantial fractions of Loyalist Legions declaring for Hektor and fewer Marines from the Traitor Legions declaring for Terra.
See, it's kind of strange to see you bringing that up, considering that you'd told me they wouldn't make a large difference in numbers, due to disenfranchised traitor officers.


>Horus was a gangster-turned-general and got his material advantage with an unexpected knife to the gut. Hektor was an ultra-charismatic personality and got his material advantage because people couldn't help but adore him.
>Implying that being ultra-charismatic isn't a big part of Horus's whole schtick

>>50489980
Seriously? After all this "it's a group project" talk, your response to appropriate concern is "go write your own"?

>>50490040
>it's kind of strange to see you bringing that up, considering that you'd told me they wouldn't make a large difference in numbers, due to disenfranchised traitor officers.
Why is that strange? I thought it over and decided you were right. Are you saying that you've changed your mind too? That's quite funny!

>implying
Don't be that way. I get that you're annoyed but there's no need to give a pissy response to everything I write.

Shit, sounds like I need to advance my worktable if I want the Dreameaters to be a thing.

I'll begin work on the 12th, but don't expect solid results until the 20th. I still have exams and work

>>50490087
Well, currently several people are writing for that spot. That's all he's saying - he's presenting his idea, you present your's.

>>50490087
Calm down and re-read my post. I didn't say "go off and make Imperium Asunderer". I'm just inviting anon to write an alternative treatment. My ideas might be wrong and it's good for the group to be able to say, "No, let's take the other option."

>>50490186
Why do you plan to stick with the Horus Heresy timetable?

>>50490287
I feel that the basic material situation hasn't been changed. The Galaxy is still the same size, the AU Imperium is about as productive as the OU one, Warp Travel is just as fast, so the amount of time necessary to blow up a comparable amount of stuff will be very similar.

Now, I don't think that I am Right about this and other people are Wrong. The length of the Hektor Heresy is really a matter of opinion and taking the same nine year timeframe as the Horus Heresy is arbitrary. It seems to me that if we're adjusting the timeframe, it might be worth considering how any extra years would be filled (or, conversely, how necessary events might be crammed into fewer years). I tend to think that it would be more realistic project-wise to have a shorter Heresy rather than a longer one, but plumping for that would create even more arguments. (So, yes, this is basically the same logic that underpins my preference for 18 Legions.)

I'm aware that there's a "killer" response waiting for me so let me try to defuse it. If we decide on a nine year timeframe, then we just need to make sure that the events within that timeframe make sense, rather than worrying about whether they precisely match up with the events of the Horus Heresy. Rather than thinking, "If there is no Istvaan, then..." it would probably be more productive to think, "In the OU, Horus achieved advantage X in manner B. Would Hektor do something similar, achieve the same sort of advantage in a different way, or instead acquire a different advantage?"

As an aside, it's not really the same timetable in so far as the events along the way are different. I'm not raising this to be pedantic, I just think that anons coming into this discussion midway could be wrong-footed by talk about using "the Horus Heresy timetable" and think that we really do mean to have Istvaans III and V, etc, etc. Talk about "the Horus Heresy timeframe" doesn't have the same implications.

>>50490559
>"If there is no Istvaan, then..." it would probably be more productive to think, "In the OU, Horus achieved advantage X in manner B.
This is literally working with the same issue, you're just approaching it differently. The work is the same. Example: In the OU, Horus achieved advantage "not getting zerg rushed by the loyalists" in manner "fucking with Guilliman's head to make him turtle". At this point asking "How do we compensate for that in our AU" and "how does Hektor compensate for that in our AU" are pretty much the exact same question, save for that the latter has the limitation that it has to be Hektor's doing.

>>50490559
>>50490287
I should add that in terms of rewrites, changing dates is very low impact and probably not worth worrying about at this stage. If we had a settled narrative that worked but the majority of interested parties didn't like the length of the war, it wouldn't be much trouble to stretch or contract the Heresy.

>>50490619
If the approaches address the same issue and do the same work then it sounds like we're in agreement and can get back to writing.

I really want to get back into writing, friends. Who has a thing they want to get involved in?

>>50491856
Hey, been meaning to ask.

Each legion is getting four special characters, including the primarch. Tell me who your remaining three should be, and if they don't exist, could you write them up? They don't have to be complex Shakespearean characters or anything, but an idea of what you'd like would be nice.

>>50492664
Should those four be loyalists, traitors, or a combo?

>>50492868
Ideally speaking, for loyalist legions you'd have more loyalist characters, but it's entirely up to the perogative of the original writer, or in cases where the original writefag is no longer present, I'll just make some shit up.

>>50492930
Let me recover from my drunkenness, and we shall discuss tomorrow.

Where the hell are all the Arabic and generally Middle Eastern chapters and worlds?

>>50493158
Segmentum Pacificus.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Al-Sherar
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ghalhal
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Saracens

>>50493213
Danke

Mere housekeeping, but someone should swap the Crimson Teeth's link in the 'Space Marine Legions of the Hektor Heresy' box at the bottom of each Legion page with Mastodontii just to avoid confusion.

>>50494746
It's already done on the Template page at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Template:/tg/-Heresy-Legions. Maybe try refreshing the individual pages you're looking at?

I'll present a timeline of events, in a rough greentext format, for the Primarch and legion (separately) later tonight.

This is meant to simply show the direction I want to take them (Think Robin Hood's Merry Men instead of straight up bloodthirsty, criminal yakuza with few redeeming values) and how they would fit into the setting.

This will give me an opportunity to work out major kinks before I engage in any serious work, as few things are set in stone as of yet.

All I ask from the group is that they simply give it a once over and offer their concerns and critique to me so I can make fixes and tailor the Dreameaters to better please the group.

If your only concerns are that they are asiatic and are gang themed, and their Primarch Oni themed, than I'm afraid you may just not enjoy the Dreameaters. But beyond that, I want to tailor them into something most folks can enjoy.

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A silent majority were skeptical of the Rosskan Primarch, who's measures were both radical and necessary. Military officers and politicians alike were in fear of Alexandri's true intentions; as the crisis precipitated the necessity for a build up of emergency powers, adding to the already immense power of his position. It would be a blow the Imperium could not recover from if he chose to seize power for himself. These worries never materialized, nor did Alexandri misuse his newfound authority. He implemented an the unimaginable build up of arms and industry in a narrow span of time. The Imperial Army's numbers in the Segmentum Solar nearly doubled from widespread draft. Alexandri's forces also pursued punitive measures against any world which had regiments who surrendered to the Traitors. Imperial fleets destroyed continents to enforce discipline against the very notion of capitulation. The stakes had been set by the Warmaster Regent.

>>50486769
Hey.

Finally remembered to do this.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Massalia

Thoughts?

https://livebunker.rocks/chat/int

>>50502217
Anything that makes my life easier is mucho appreciated

>>50503056
Not exactly sure what you mean by that, but happy to be of service.

>>50504102
I'm helping Snek with the Zealots, and Massalia is connected with the Zealots, hence my job becoming easier

>>50498799
Hmm. I'm not sure that this works very well as a sidebar in the "Bloody Star" section. It seems strange to put the focus on the Silver Cataphracts when the narrative is discussing the Black Augurs and Eyes of the Emperor. Alexandri of Rosskar isn't going anywhere and he'll get the spotlight (again) later on.

>>50505659
Alright, slot it in anywhere later on at your digression.

Update on the Heresy draft. Things are hotting up.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hektor_Heresy

It's funny because Arelex Orannis is on fire.

Here's just a sneak peek that at the xenos race that corrupts Aubrey. Details are not set in stone and I would appreciate feedback.

They are the Hezeyar, an ancient psychic race that have given themselves completely to Chaos. The Hezeyar are humanoid aliens, slightly taller than the average human, with thinner, almost elongated limbs. They do not appear to have much facial muscles, Hezeyar have not been observed to change their facial expression, even when talking. They have two large pupilless eyes, and may be blind given their reaction to visual stimuli. Still, the Hezeyar probably have some other means of sight, as they can move and fight without assistance. Their formidable psychic powers allows them to guide the ships of the traitor legions during the Heresy.

Under their naming conventions, Hezeyar do not have individual names, but are named after their part/role/status in society.

Over a million years ago, the Hezeyar were at the pinnacle of their psychic prowess. Led by the greatest of all, the high king known only as The Hezeyar, they enjoyed relative peace and prosperity, opting to seclude themselves away from primitive races. However, their links to the warp brought danger. Of the Hezayar there were mere billions, and their burgeoning psychic abilities began to outstrip their ability to control it. Millions died in accidents from uncontrollable warpflame, or formed rifts that devoured entire planets.

Desperate for a solution, The Hezeyar sought the help of the Dark Gods within the warp, who were more than happy to oblige. High King Hezeyar created a massive ritual, a sacrifice to the Primordial Gods, seeking their favour and the ability to control the warp as they wish. The ritual was completed, at the cost of the souls of the entire Hezeyar race. Of the High King, most powerful of all, there was no trace. Drinking of the void, the Hezeyar would find their souls replaced by something darker, an essence that could be described as daemonic in nature.

>>50508388
The Hezeyar would soon discover that they had been changed in many ways beyond controlling their psychic ability. Death as a concept was gone to them, they could live forever without dying of old age. The concept of life too was gone, no more Hezeyar would be born. Without their High King, the Hezeyarans would become the willing thralls of the Chaos Gods, immortal agents determined to spread the Primodial Truth. Though war and accident has claimed many Hezeyaran lives since their pact with the Runious Powers, there are still millions of Hezeyar dedicated to their dark masters.

>>50508265
GOOD SHIT

Roman approves

>>50508388
>>50508399
This is good stuff. One point:

>They do not appear to have much facial muscles, Hezeyar have not been observed to change their facial expression, even when talking.
How do they do this? Are they producing all of the talking sounds in their throat and just letting them echo out of their mouth? I also wonder about them eating and drinking without muscles in their face but I guess they could do some snake-like swallowing whole routine.

>>50510193
They'd have to have some musculature in their face to appear humanoid, though i think what Sigma is getting at is that they are not used for communication the way humans do.

As for vocalizations, that's easy. They have syrinx, which is what birds use to produce their wide array of sounds.

>>50510193
Pretty much what Vetro says at >>50510205

On their speech, I was thinking that a couple hundred thousand years of speaking through telepathy does a number on your throat. As for food, I did not think of that. The main reason I mentioned that is because even though they're humanoid with reasonably human characteristics, there's something terribly uncanny valley about them. They're like flesh puppets, they blink too slow and they have little to no facial expressions. Everything about them is frozen in time, from their tech to the Hezeyar themselves.

All existing map of the 40k galaxy are a crime against cartography so I'm correcting that. Well starting to.

I'm debating on if I should make the eastern arc of the Segmentum Solar get closer to the core or if I should leave.

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And of course I forget to post the actual image.

>>50511096
>>50511105
It looks great! No pressing reasons to move the border between Solar & Ultima come to mind - were you just thinking of making Solar a bit bigger to balance its size against Pacificus, or is there something that I'm missing?

>>50511188
Mostly just that.

>>50511096
>or if I should leave.
Why not?

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>>50508399
>>50508388
>ancient race
>very powerful but dying in the millions
>happen across some space gods
>make a faustian bargain with the malevolent gods
>as a race lose their souls
I feel like I've heard this story before.

>>50514040
Don't forget

>Skeletal, and highly dependent on social caste system

>>50511105
Why does Segmentum Solar have big chunks cut out of the side?

>>50516014
Usually it's to make Pacificus not be 1/10th the size of all the other Segmentums.

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>>50514040
>>50514200
;^)

On a more serious note, any similarities to Necrons is accidental and I didn't realise it until your posts. The Hezeyar are based on the idea of 'What if the xenos had a big E who was a lazy fuck?' So instead of taking the fight to the Chaos gods like the human Emperor, he shortcuts it by striking a deal and gets wiped to oblivion as a result. Anything else still comes from needing them to be chaos enough to corrupt the traitor forces during the Heresy, yet not too op as to make chaos win from a million years back. You may ask the question as to why they start a million years back. That is a valid question that I do not have the answer to.

On appearances, they are sadly not skeletons with a caste structure. They're more like grey men, or the XCOM2 sectoids if you want a more accurate scale. They don't have a caste system, their ruling system was a constitutional monarchy before things went all chaos, now everyone is equal in the eyes of the Ruinous Powers. That is, if they are strong enough.

>>50517181
>Sectoids. Not spoopy alium skeltals
>Names are literally their jobs
>Not caste-like

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I would say that it may be better, and easier, to put this on a canon Chaos Xenos race.

The Ssylth.

>>50517181
>'What if the xenos had a big E who was a lazy fuck?'
The Necrons have one of those too.

>>50517181
>You may ask the question as to why they start a million years back. That is a valid question that I do not have the answer to.
It read like you were rejecting the "Chaos Gods evolved because homo sapiens" story.

Anyway. If the only objections are that the Hezeyar are too explicitly like Necrons, just blur the historical details and give a couple of contradictory accounts. (You could even present the High King narrative above with a warning that its source may have confused the Hezeyar with the Necrons.)

>>50517743
Think of it as an honour thing. You become a governor, your name changes to Governor. You save a bunch of people, your name changes to Saviour. You commit crimes, your name changes to Untrustable. I should have elaborated that their names don't work like our names, it's all fundamentally different

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>Was gonna start writing tonight
>GM of my favorite game in years quits because the game got too stressful to run

>>50522110
Well that must suck

>>50517181
>You may ask the question as to why they start a million years back.
cause they did? you don't really need much more than that

>>50508265
Progress slowed down on this thing but the Entombed have been hit with a super-plague, the fate of Tisenjoch has been revealed, and there's a (hopefully) useful strategic round-up to precede the next batch of major events:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hektor_Heresy

>>50501238

>>50531262
Never bump with bump you insufferable human mosquito noise.

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>>50533431
Why not?

>>50536342
>Thread almost dead
>No one posting
>Have to be autistic and meaninglessly bump

Just let it die if it's going to die, unless you have something worthwhile to say

>>50536392
>Just let it die if it's going to die, unless you have something worthwhile to say
Okay, why?

>>50536392
Or you know, not get upset over posts on a Pakistani knitting forum

>>50536392
Oh hey guess what? Bump.

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And now for actual content before I go to bed.

So everything I can easily find out states that a sector is usually a box with edges of around 200 lightyears or of a volume there abouts. This is pretty respectable chunk of space. Even if you focus on a single segmentum between it and a sector is still vast which is kind of a problem.

Now I could just do a polar grid but that's boring. So instead the galaxy has been chunked up in administrative units below the segmentum but higher than the sector called diocese. The term starts secular but just like with the real life diocese makes the transition into religious life easily.

I've pretty much winged making the borders, starting with separating each arm of the galaxy and then wiggling my way through the perceived clusters on the background and then dividing until I was about satisfied I had a clusterfuck on the order of say the CK2 county map. This is intended to represent a compromise between actual diocese set up by the Imperium during the great crusade, regions of space with common characteristics, former borders of absorbed states, and projected borders for later conquests.

I'll put down some numbers of them so we can start to refer diocese specifically and maybe even begin naming some important ones but that'll happen another day. For now, I'll just share that I'm planning on calling the diocese Sol is in the Golden Belt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gould_Belt).

>>50542314
I think this is glorious. The regions are big enough to be noticeable, small enough for naming the relevant diocese to be informative. Great work!

>>50542314
Looks great! Good work.

Now comes the labeling.

>>50542314
Or, or, or, and I know this is crazy so just hear me out:

What if we don't go full retard and try to make 40HkH as speshul as possible and just have it be the same as OU to pair down confusion

>>50544726
But if the AU was the same as the OU it wouldn't be an AU. There'd be no point in writing anything about it cause GW's already done that.

>>50544726
Bruh. Drawing some lines on a map is hardly "full retard". Come on now, that's some weaksauce trolling.

>>50542314
Looks really good, dude. That'll give an easy way for people to diagram regions of space, zones of control, paths of Crusades, all kinds of stuff.

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Going to update Legion lists when I get home tonight. Expect work to commence 6 central time, should be finished updating the page with my work thus far by 7 central time, though I'll likely keep working on it for most of the night.

List of changes:
Finished first draft of the War Scribes.
Finished first draft of the Black Augurs.
Finished first draft of the Thunder Kings.
Finished framework for Iron Rangers.
Finished framework for the Silver Caraphracts.
Partial work on the Sons of Fire and Void Angels.

Yo Voidwatcher, did you ever settle on some fluff (or at least a name) for that Dreadnought character?

>>50550380
This is good news! Anyone else wanting to check out Josman's WIP can find it at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Josman

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And now the map has numbers. Also I remembered to turn the scale layer back on.

>>50552168
Naw, I hadn't come up with anything specific or definite. Something like the Tyrant though.

Also, you called the Augurs Blackguard a couple times. Which makes me realize that at this point that's probably a better name, with them becoming Black Augurs after the Heresy.

Wrote something up for that idea I had for the Dark Eldar that waits until the last day of every month to binge.

>Hine’ar the Chaste is a singular presence among the Dark Eldar of the Webway. While other Dark Eldar constantly revel in sadism and gluttony, garbing their thralls in revealing coverings of rags and leather, Hine’ar acts with restraint, holding back much of his fury during raids and dressing his servants in tasteful, modest clothing made of silk and linen as they serve him plain victuals in times of rest. Hine’ar even treats his captives hospitably, serving them fine foodstuffs from his own table and treating them as prized guests. At first glance, it would seem that Hine’ar is not similar to the other denizens of the Webway in the slightest. However, behind this civilized facade is a hungering beast that longs to feast on the flesh and agony of his prisoners, a beast that is intentionally suppressed in order to make the gorging more pleasurable. For on the last day of every month, the beast emerges from its cage. The captives, having atrophied from the rich food and comforting words, are consumed by shock as their generous host and his dutiful servants abandon their pleasant masks and gorge on their flesh and their pain. Once the binge is over, the scraps are swept up, the stains are washed out, and the inner beasts sit sated, waiting raptly for the next chance to feed.

I'd appreciate some criticism and I really hope this doesn't sound edgy

>>50556225
Literally the dark eldar equivalent of edging

>>50556349
That was the intent. I thought it would be interesting if there was a group of Dark Eldar who edged until it was almost unbearable, then gorged.

>>50556225
Do you guys think it's okay the way it is or should I change it beforeI put this on 1d4chan?

>>50556466
Where did you plan to put it?

>>50556633
I was going to put in the "Notable Characters of the Dark Eldar" Section of the page for the Webway Lords and Dark Eldar.

>>50556684
Good enough for me.

>>50556723
Okay, then. I'll put it in

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>>50556746
It's in.

>>50556780
Good work, you've now successfully wiki'd.

>>50556225
This is pretty cool. Do you have further plans for Hine'ar?

Well, looks like I'm snowed in today, which means more legion building.

I'll finish the Iron Rangers and Silver Cataphracts, and then polish up the legions I've "finished" thus far.

>>50560469
Not really. I just thought he'd be a cool side character. I suppose somebody else could do something with him, but all I imagined him being was a minor Webway Lord

>>50562702
Write him a poem.

>//.Information request, =][=
>//:Classified lvl Primus
>//:record Magos Biologos report.
>//:dem.record Magos I:II:I:II:I:I:II:III "Red"
>//:content: "warrior" specimen, recovered from "Athropos Sector" (I.S. 301).
>//:subcontent: specimen autopsy.

>//:Autopsy preparation: subject captured by Techpriest Dominus I:III:I:II:I:I:II "Ascendant Jan, Praised by the Omnissah that his Soul be Saved" with assistance from Steel Marshals Adeptus Astartes. Specimen placed in stasis post-capture to avoid regeneration.

>//:Preliminary Observations: subject is humanoid, human proportions, 2.341 meters in height, 229.81kg weight (including armor). Armor substance unknown, material analysis needed, material sample submitted (s.9391.11). Armor is a matte metallic substance, seems to mimic human musculature across major muscle groups. Cloth coverings across back, legs, and a "hood" on the head. Cloth material is a heavy polyethylene microweave substance, protective value minimal, purpose unknown. Method of termination appears to be a large torso wound, heat warping and material energy analysis indicate plasma wound, wound size and material energy analysis indicate the wound was inflicted by a mk.II "Ragefire" plasma gun. Internal tissues visible, resembled human biology, though tissues appear metallic.

>//:note: During armor removal it became apparent that the subject's "armor" was in fact a metallic layer saturating the skin. Structural analysis of the layers mimic Adeptus Astartes reinforced dermal tissue, though proportionally thicker. The greater proportion resembles dermal swelling from disease, but inflated with metallic compounds. It was decided that this "armor" should not be removed in its entirety, only as much as is needed for autopsy.

>//:Autopsy notes: Internal structure similar to that of an Adeptus Astartes. Notable deviations include: atrophied cardiac muscles, atrophied pulmonary system, absent eyes, absent gastrointestinal system, absent genitalia, extensive neurological modification (in-depth analysis below), dermal cells absent or modified, metallic dermal swelling "armor".
>Atrophied cardiac muscles: unlike the other seemingly unused organ systems, the cardiac muscles have been reinforced with the metallic substance, though the muscular structures have atrophied through misuse.
>Atrophied pulmonary system: The lungs have atrophied, but are not absent or decayed like the gastrointestinal system. Reason unknown.
>Absent Eyes: The subject's eyes are absent. A lack of scarring and tissue damage along with decayed optical nerves indicate that the eyes were not intentionally removed, they simply rotted out over an extended period of time.
>Absent gastrointestinal system: The subject's intestines and stomach are absent. A lack of scarring and tissue damage along with decayed esophageal and anal connections indicate that they were not intentionally removed, they simply rotted out over an extended period of time.
>Absent genitalia: The subject's genitalia is absent. Surgical scars indicate the genitalia was removed years prior to death, likely as part of his induction into the Adeptus Astartes (surgical removal of the genitals, while not common, is hardly unheard of in Adeptus Astartes recruitment practices).

>Extensive neurological modification: More than any other change, the modifications to the brain are worthy of notice. The metallic substance appears to have preserved much of the brain's structure and function, with direct mechanical function facilitated by the metallic substance in place of chemical processes in the brain. Much of the brain's higher function seems to have been preserved, though motivation and self preservation have been changed if battlefield reports are to be believed. Additionally, the metallic substance seems to have formed a structure receptive to higher energy input, though by traditional reckoning moving that level of energy through the subject should burn out its brain.
>Dermal cells absent or modified: those dermal cells that weren't reinforced with the metallic compound are absent. There is no indication as to how it was removed, but it stands to reason it was allowed to rot off like other absent organ systems.
>Metallic dermal swelling "armor": The skin around the head, chest, legs, forearms, and spinal column have been reinforced with an unknown metallic substance.

>//:Conclusion: Subject appears to be an Adeptus Astartes, gene line unknown, with extensive mechanical augmentation. An unknown metallic substance has been integrated with the subject's tissues, increasing resilience and providing regenerative capabilities. Additionally, there has been extensive modification of the brain structure in ways mimicking energy receivers. Purpose unclear, but given the relatively small amount of added metallic foreign substance and the restructuring of the brain, it seems likely that the subject is a combat servitor created with the unknown metallic substance. Subject was encountered alongside other subjects with similar modifications, but the original hosts appeared to be baseline humans, orkoid forms, and at least one example of an eldar subject.

>//:Addendum: Magos I:II:I:II:I:I:II:III "Red" was slain in an incident involving the reanimation of the subject he was studying for this report. The reason and mechanism for the subject's reanimation is unknown, though reanimation took place during high energy conductivity test of isolated material samples from the specimen. Report will be finished and compiled by Magos Minoris I:I:II:I:II:III:I:II:II:I "Iosmain".

>//:compiling archive r312.1.1.
>//:added. Material Sample Analysis s.9391.11. Sample identification: Necrodermis, ref. v31 Ordo Xenos.
>//:added. Specimen capture report r312.1.1.
>//:Finalized
>//:Blessed
>//: -

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>>50556780
That's brutal.

>>50562618
I was reading the stuff you wrote for the Scribes, which was interesting. I couldn't quite figure out where the Sky Blades came from though.

The Sky Hunter squads I wrote about are Jetbike squads with the occasional Javelin Speeder riding along, not Jump Infantry. Although I guess Jetbikes *do* often perform low altitude drops.

>>50556225
No, that's actually really good. I like it.

>too edgy
>dark eldar
>literally a species built from pure edge, actively seeking to become ever more so

nah bro u good.

>>50566014
They came from my own mind. I wanted them to have elite jump troops, so now they have elite jump troops.

Every legion has access to skyhunter squads, so it seemed redundant to add them in.

Did you have any other comments or questions? I always like to hear input from the legions' writefags.

>>50566497
Well, usually when I critique things it comes across as bullying people, so I figure I'll mostly stay out of it. You're producing content and I'm really not, so it would be very ungracious on my part.

>>50567299
I am the most coldly autistic fuck on the project when it comes to work. There's literally nothing you can say that will "bully" me if we're talking about work.

Hit me.

>>50567359
literally cold rigght now because my heater is out and its seven fucking degrees in here

>>50567359
Ok then.

Well, the Legion special rules seem all right. I might add something in under the Close Quarters Fire rule about moving through terrain somehow also. It's hard to represent the Scribes' skills in void/Space Hulk Hazards mobility on the ground-oriented tabletop, but being better at moving small squads through hazardous areas might do a good job of that.

Reclamation Force Rite of War seems good. I don't know what the power level of those rules are but that doesn't concern me too much.

The Hurricane of Atalantos one seems kind of out of left field though. Maybe it's just the nomenclature you've chosen? Aquatic versus Voidfare?

BRRRRTTTTT is fun. IDK if I'd call a bigass slugthrower "advanced", but it pleases the Heavy Weapons Guy in me so it's probably all fine.

>POUCHES
[Liefield Intensifies]

Ion Serpenta seems cool, although it implies there's 3 other named relics that still need stats. Having an "Elite 4-pack" of archaeotech weapons is fun though, even if 3 of them go to Terra rather than the Legion. Might make good plot items for other people's stories perhaps.

Skyblades still strike me as weird for some reason. But you gave them Deep Strike, which means that in my head from now on I'm fluffing them as running to the nearest airlock, jumping out the door, and falling all the way from orbit.

Because this pleases me.

Any further rules for them, should you choose to make updates, are recommended to enhance this theme. :D


I think Lumey erased it when he cleaned up my Legion page a while back, but if I recall correctly a Maestro Ferrorum eventually winds up being permanently integrated directly with his tank kind of like a Dreadnought. There's a possibility for two versions of the Maestro then, one early in his training, and one more experienced, more expensive one who's fully linked to the machine, should you wish to stat that.


And then Arelex's stats have already been discussed, so that's all good.

>>50567666
>Well, the Legion special rules seem all right. I might add something in under the Close Quarters Fire rule about moving through terrain somehow also. It's hard to represent the Scribes' skills in void/Space Hulk Hazards mobility on the ground-oriented tabletop, but being better at moving small squads through hazardous areas might do a good job of that.
Giving them all void hardened armor is going to make you rule zone mortalis games anyway.

>The Hurricane of Atalantos one seems kind of out of left field though. Maybe it's just the nomenclature you've chosen? Aquatic versus Voidfare?
They're from atlantis dude.

>Ion Serpenta seems cool, although it implies there's 3 other named relics that still need stats. Having an "Elite 4-pack" of archaeotech weapons is fun though, even if 3 of them go to Terra rather than the Legion. Might make good plot items for other people's stories perhaps.
Nope! You guys don't get the other three. The emperor gets one, malcador gets one, and Hektor gets one after he dies.

>Skyblades still strike me as weird for some reason. But you gave them Deep Strike, which means that in my head from now on I'm fluffing them as running to the nearest airlock, jumping out the door, and falling all the way from orbit.
Notice that they have jump packs. They'd either be deploying from low flying thunderhawks or with HALO drops.

>There's a possibility for two versions of the Maestro then, one early in his training, and one more experienced, more expensive one who's fully linked to the machine, should you wish to stat that.
I might make that into a legion named character, so I can specifically pick what gear his tank gets and avoid min maxing.

>>50567982
>Nope! You guys don't get the other three.

Yeah, that's why I said they'd make good plot items for other people's stories, lol.

>>50567666
Also, as long as you're around I should ask, Atlantosian? Atlantosi? Altantian? Altlantoi?

>>50568074
>Yeah, that's why I said they'd make good plot items for other people's stories, lol.
Yeah, I don't actually have a plan for any of them, I just wanted to leave it vague.

>>50568103
Hmm, good question.

Maybe "Atalantii"? Feels like the end of the word should cut off somewhat abruptly, since the At-a-lant-os has a long cadence to it.

Have we written how the Ecclesiarchy was formed yet other than references to the fact that Golgothos founded it?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Maria_Vespa

>>50569580
Sorry, this is supposed to be for >>50569565

Lumey made a post on it several threads ago but Vespa does serve as one of the main catalysts for the eventual creation of the Ecclesiarchy, though the newly minted Adeptus Ecumenes comes first IIRC to mediate between the burgeoning faiths.

>>50569580
Thanks
>>50569645
So the Ecumenes came first to mediate between the religions then eventually turned into a religion itself? Interesting

>>50569715
I don't think we ever decided what happens further in the future, but the Ecumenes sole reason to exist is to mediate between the various imperial faiths and the worlds that still hold true to the Imperial Truth. I imagine it would eventually be absorbed into the larger structure of the Ecclesiarchy while remaining nominally its own thing.

>>50569751
So basically the Ecclesiarch version of the Amalathians?

>>50569881
Sounds about right but like I said, the details are pretty bare bones at this point.

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I made a page for the Adeptus Ecumenes. It's pretty much empty, but I felt it would be good to have once we flesh out the Ecclesiarchy.

>>50570432
>dem ads lol

Always keepin' it classy, 1d4chan.

>>50570432
>Oh Emprah that lower case E
I'm new to this shit, how do I change the title of the article?

>>50570551
You can't. Flag it for deletion and make another.

>>50570724
Okay. Thanks

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>>50570733
Alright, I moved the content onto the right page. How exactly do I flag the old page for deletion?

>>50570805
There's no need to delete the "Adeptus ecumenes" page. Anyone trying to go there will get redirected to the new page. (In the future, if you need wiki help, just hit the "help" link at the top of the left-hand sidebar on 1d4chan.)

As for the content... we haven't really worked this out but my notion is that there's still a massive religious revival across the Galaxy after the Scouring. The Emperor is certainly the strongest pole of attraction, but Vespia also has a following. However, most cults are no more than planetary in scale. The great exceptions is the Temple of the Saviour Emperor (as in the OU, and I still suspect an Inquisition plot), which rather brutally subordinates other cults to itself as the centuries march on.

The Adeptus Ecumenes is set up in the wake of the Second Vetrovnak Incursion in an attempt to preserve whatever special quality made the Vespians effective against the invaders. Thus, it's an secular arm of the Adeptus Terra that brokers between cults to prevent religious conflict from disrupting the Imperium. However, the Ecumene is later captured by the religious types and transitions into the State Church (i.e. the equivalent of the Ministorum/Ecclesiarchy).

But this hasn't really been discussed in earnest so I'm not sure why we're moving to include it right away.

>>50571601
Alright, thanks. I just wanted to know if we had developed anything on it and if I could help out with the writing.

>>50571858
The most developed part of the Ecclesiarchy story is the Sisters of Battle. There's enough set-up on the Maria Vespa and Second Vetrovnak Incursion pages that it should be possible to start writing Order pages. However, it might not be easy.

If you're keen to pitch in, it would definitely help if you (with a mind unpolluted by planning discussions) took a look at those two pages to see if there's enough explained about the origins of the SoB. If so - great! If not - lay out what's missing here and we can discuss what should go on a main Sisters page to help the audience and contributors alike.

Short but referencetacular update to the Heresy:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hektor_Heresy#The_Second_Pacification_of_Luna

>>50573526
Good shit

>>50573526
I don't get the references?

>>50576424
There are just two. Spoiler tags added so you can have a last guess before seeing the answers.

>The line "call off your wolves" being used on Luna is a 40k reference. It's how Horus's Legion gets their Luna Wolves moniker.

>"The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" is a Robert Heinlein novel about the Moon in revolt against Earth.

>>50576516
>The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
Huh. Thought that was just a VTM thing.

>>50573526
>check again today
>lions corridor
>none of the traitors wanted to deal with that shit

I laughed

>Finish paper
>About to work on Dreameaters
>See this thread

I'm far too late, aren't I.