D&D initiative system

Why would you listen to lindybeige?
There are much better educated people on almost every subject he talks about, with the possible exception of dancing.

AaaGaaaagHHGGG

Lindybeige makes me so angry

What a cuck

people move at different rates in real life, how would you abstract someone getting the first strike?

>>50480607
>Initiative system doesn't reflect reality

Well no shit, neither does D&D combat in general.

>>50480654
He's very charismatic and interesting to listen to.

>>50480654
Hearing differing opinions can be interesting.

Lindybiege is usually pretty wrong about /tg/ related stuff but he at least presents his points in a way I can enjoy listening to. Rather him than Spoony screeching for two hours about one point that he lost half an hour ago.

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>>50480654
>People still get triggered over Lindy
>Just jealous he's started making money off being a walking incarnation of 4chan autism before any of us did.

Sure is /k/ in here.

Seriously though, he's interesting to listen to, and he never pretended to be a specialist.

I mean the nigga literally took shitposting to the papers.

>Lindybeige
No, he's wrong. And what's more, he's going to derive a tooth-grinding amount of smug satisfaction from being wrong.

>>50481423
>lindybeige
>interesting to listen to

fuck off back to /his/

while I'm not a huge fan of initiative, it's a simple functional solution to simulating event order

people don't just stand there while enemies run at them, sure. But if you could run away, no one would be able to reach anyone, because you'd approach someone, who'd just run away. So you'd have to implement some incremental enemy chasing system. Why do so many systems use initiative? Because 9 times out of 10 they'll be implemented successfully while an enemy chasing system will not.

your ability to run away from foes is simulated by your move action. You could cast a spell and run, or run over and cast a spell. Many systems incorporate reactions, but this just makes them slower and more rules heavy, not simpler and often not even that much more realistic

>>50481423
I may want to know more about the picture you posted, did he pretend to be an academic so he could shitpost irl or something?

>>50481445
Show me on the doll where lindy touched your black lotus with cheeto fingers.

>>50481458
I don't remember the backstory desu, I remember people on /k/ started another reeeeeee thread about him and someone brought it up.

I mean, I'm not going to lie, the sheer amount of triggering he causes on 4chan is pretty funny to me. Especially since he is basically just an autist

>>50480607

>Is he right /tg/?

Not really?

I mean, reality isn't turn based, obviously, but D&D is an abstraction, it's not supposed to represent reality.

What's more, beyond just being an abstraction it's also a magic power fantasy, it's a world where killing enough goblins will magically give you the ability to take twice as many mace blows to the head and to survive falls from 200 feet.

>>50481458
He used to work at a university and actually wrote a paper on why vegetarians should be force fed lard, then lost his job over it IIRC.

>>50481553
The backstory is even better than the picture holy shit, the absolute madman.

>>50481423

>Vegetarians should be force-fed lard

Man speaks the truth

>Lindybeige
>Being right

Pick one

>>50481978
He is right from time to time, it's just that he only ever repeats what other people who actually know their shit have said before while being smug about it.

I still occasionally watch his videos because he's good at presenting the ideas and because I like how butthurt he makes some people.

>>50480607
No

>>50480607
he's right
the initiative system makes it impossible for anyone to play a proper Frenchman

Reminder that Lindybeige claims:

>no one used swords, axes
>no one used horses
>no one used throwing knives
>no one used double strap arm shields
>no one used scythes
>no one used mail coifs
>no one used torches
>Pikemen didn't fight each other
>no one spoke French during the French revolution
>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
>battle of Zama didn't happen
>Romans carried one pilum
>Vikings weren't real
>berserkers weren't real
>climate change isn't real
>stagnant social mobility isn't real
>castles were defended by three soldiers
>butted mail is better than riveted mail
>operation market garden was a success
>Napoleon was literally Hitler

>>50483304
>climate change isn't real
>battle of Zama didn't happen
err what? source for those two?

>>50483376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZHnjDJpkVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Slpje6L_DM

>>50483376
His channel.

>>50483304
You know it's shit like this that convinces me that Lindy is alright, it's just that his detractors are literal retards who couldn't identify a rhetorical argument if it bit their testicles off.

>>50481423
He really is /our guy/.

>>50483827
Precisely.

>>50480607
fuck that literally autistic shit

>>50483524
>hundreds of videos on "his channel"
>fuck off shitlord, google it, it's not my job to educate you

Congratulations, you've reached the argumentation level of tumblr.

>>50484021
Not him, but you do know about this "google" website, right?

>>50481423
>Vegeterians should be force-fed lard
He actually got fired from the university he was working because of that as well as being a climate change denier, a holocaust denier and some other things.

>>50483376

Off the top of my head, the Zama one is rubbish. He did a video discussing someone else's theory that it didn't happen and laid out the argument, but stated several times throughout that he did not agree with it, just thought it was an interesting idea.

>>50484057
>denier
That's wrong though.
He advocates skepticism of all things, and those are included; the climate change video is oooold, and his views on the holocaust are a measured evaluation of what evidence we have. He never denies that it happened, only questions how it did.

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>>50480607
Nope, this is one of his "Miss" video.

The point he makes about half-elves is probably the only one good when it comes to the hobby. And this video can be best summed up with pic related

>>50484057
>a holocaust denier

What?

He has a video in which he argues that referring to "the six million" is an insult because the actual death toll was so much higher. That's literally the opposite of denying it.

>>50480607
He is right once per about 7 videos.
This is part of the remaining 6, since quite recently he had highly-competent videos about platoons and companies.

>>50481445
>Implying /his/ isn't the biggest hate club of his

>>50484086
But in [current year] even if you question this stuff you're labelled as a one

>>50480607
It's as bad as his rules for running and chases - a clear indication he never played anything else than D&D, probably back in times of AD&D, and can't even imagine different games than D&D

>>50484090
His "Escalation" video was also pretty good, since he summed up murderhobos without pointing fingers or calling anyone names, while making it clear why such attitude is just plain retarded

>>50480607
Without watching the video I can answer - no.

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>>50483896
>armchair general/nerd
>interest in sometimes rather obscure things
>generates massive amounts of butthurt by having the wrong opinion on everything
>really smug about it
>in spite of all this, sometimes he makes interesting arguments though
He really is /ourguy/

And I like his reviews of terrible movie fighting, like webm related

>>50484057
The holocaust video (which he has since said he changed his mind about) basically says that we need to remember the millions of non-jews as well

The climate change videos boil down to a video where he argues against one of the arguments for action due to it being a fallacy, not because of climate change itself, and a video where he argues that methane is more of an issue than carbon dioxide.

>>50480607
>Lindybeige
>Talking about games
Then I know already he's wrong. It never cease to amaze me he's still trying, but then I recall the infamous cavalry clickbait and everything clicks in.

I miss times before he realised he can just make more money by triggering people

>>50480607
Like the guy but think he's often wrong about things.

I don't think he understands that the system is crafted in a way as to be controllable by the GM.

>>50482599
I agree.

>>50483304
He said in a video while researching the battle of Zama to help with a graphic novel being funded on kickstarter that basically he realised there was no archaeological evidence for it and it was probably made up.

>>50484100
I work for a helpline that provides support to victims of abuse or discrimination. I had to tell someone to leave after induction because she disrupted it by downplaying the other victims of the holocaust and acting like discrimination against Jews is worse than any other discrimination. Even though everyone was pointing out all the others who were killed in the camps.

>>50484211
I think he has the exact same problem as Yahtzee had when he still cares - they both present their arguments in such way that people are already pissed half-way there, before they even make the point, so rather than listen the actual video and point, they already rage about stupid argumentation and other shit.

Plus he's making clickbaits now anyway, just recall the cavalry video from what? Two months ago? The argument was right, the points were right... but before he get there, he made a trigger-heavy rant for 15 minutes.

>>50483304
Reminder you have a serious problem with listening to argumentation and comprehension of what is said in your or any general direction.

>>50484211
>which he has since said he changed his mind about
source?

>>50484268
His other videos, his page, the works?

It's not that hard to know if you are following him at least semi-regularly

>>50483304
My general experience with his historical videos is pretty simple so far:
>If it is about British Isles or Brits, he's right
>If it's related to British Isles or Brits, he might be right
>If he's talking about stuff unrelated with British Isles or Brits, he's so fucking wrong Jesus Christ how is it even possible?!

Reminder he made a claim sabres weren't used or useful in his sabre video. And I've got an answer to an email quite recently (took him month to answer, but he did), where he didn't change his stance a fucking inch, still being dead-sure sabres are just a meme, especially when dismounted.

It looks like he's never played twilight 2013

>>50484276
He has 523 videos and in his website there are many articles. I watched almost all his videos over the years but I don't remember him saying that. Do you expect me to re-watch all that again and start reading all his articles, comments, etc? If you don't remember yourself where exactly it is that's all right but don't act like a smartass.

>>50484303
Could you post his email answer here?

>no one used swords, axes
Clearly not
>no one used horses
The idea was more "the first guy to ride horses for war must have been crazy" in much the same vein as the hoary old "how decided cheese was a good idea" showerthought
>no one used throwing knives
They're not a weapon of war, people wouldn't be likely to carry them for personal defence, they aren't a hunting tool, rocks work just as well deterring pursuit. Of course people may throw knives.
>no one used double strap arm shields
They're not as good, he asserts.
>no one used scythes
They aren't a real battlefield weapon until modified
>no one used mail coifs
Nobody used unpadded mail coifs
>no one used torches
No, torches are just bad compared to the common conception, and for most purposes candles are easier to use.
>Pikemen didn't fight each other
Pikemen are not the best counter to pikemen and should not meet in competently-directed battle
>no one spoke French during the French revolution
What
>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
this is too nuanced, but that's not what he said
>battle of Zama didn't happen
Well, maybe. there's discussion to be had as to what DID happen
>Romans carried one pilum
OK, fair
>Vikings weren't real
No, not what he said
>berserkers weren't real
Not as depicted in modern media
>climate change isn't real
Conceded, he is retarded about anything more modern than the the Age of Sail
>stagnant social mobility isn't real
when did he say this?
>castles were defended by three soldiers
Castles are a massive force multiplier
>butted mail is better than riveted mail
when?
>operation market garden was a success
Good thing the Fuhrer didn't hear him say that, he'd be shot! Oh wait.
>Napoleon was literally Hitler
Well, he was a dick.

>>50480607
Wis does make more sense for initiative then dex. Add to this dex normally just has to much damn shit that runs off in most systems.

>>50484303
Perhaps there is some time period for which he has a clue about how things were done in the Islands, but as your own sabre example shows, the 18th-19th centuries sure as fuck ain't it.

>>50480607
As someone who grew up in suburban South England, this kind of car-boot-sale, pub-archery-team, Red-Dwarf-rerun dude triggers a deep deep animosity in me I didn't even know I had

>>50484504
Saving this for future use!

It's a game, things are made abstract for the sake of fun. If I wanted things to be realistic I'd slather myself in olive oil and stick my fingers up another mans ass.

>>50480607
>Lindybeige
>Right
I can literally count all his "right" videos. If we skip those where he pokes fun from shitty fights, I will have enough fingers to do that.
And he made over 500 of those

>Unofficial /tg/ guide on non-sucking videos made by Lloyd:
Shield grips
Five Beat Swing Dance
Throwing knives
Franciscas (throwing axes)
A point about historical advisors in films
Hollywood Endings
Arrows
Torches: entire series (HIGHLY recommending, probably the best thing he ever made)
Tread traps
Dual wielding
Crossbows
Crossbow mechanisms
Make Your Own Gelatinous Cubes
A point about the status of swords
A point about fancy fighting stances
Pushing swords
Crossfire series (even if it's a product placement)
Fumbles (for very, very novice GMs)
Half-elves, and how they could be entertainingly different (nothing new for me, but a lot of people miss this)
Wearing armour - is it a skill?
Rope and Hollywood
Casting swords in the movies - forging a lie
Platoons - a natural unit size for a modern army
Mail Coifs - not as simple as they seem
Forests in the olden days (but take warning - it's ONLY true if you are living in Britain)
One-man tank turrets - were they a good idea?
Tank platoons
Infantry Companies - another natural size of unit

.... and that's about it. As you might notice, there is a lot of entry-tier stuff here and basic explainations. But those are literally ALL his videos that won't make you roll your eyes or want to post an angry comment

>>50484736
Adding to that - if a video has "rant" or "ranting" in the title, avoid it like fire. He had this very, very stupid period about 4-5 years ago, where he made a lot of political videos, ranting like a grumpy old pensioner in such polarizing way it's hard NOT to treat them as open bait, especially since he contradicted himself from one video to another.

>>50483304
>no one used torches
to be fair, his point was that they weren't used underground/indoors/in confined spaces, a la Hollywood or D&D, because they used bitumen, and you'd be dying of smoke inhalation in about 5 minutes. That was a good point.

>>50483500
Climate change deniers trigger me so hard, I have to be a little bitch and ask what his main points are, this is meant to be a relaxing night for me.

Lindybeige still a shit though.

>>50484897
>Climate change deniers trigger me so hard
It never cease to amaze me how people can pretend climate doesn't change. I'm 30. When I was a kid, average winter was -10 Celcius, with so much snow I had no idea where to shovel it. Now it's good if there is snow at all - last year there was snowing for 2 days, while most of the winter was slightly above 0 Celcius.
Meanwhile, my grandmother is always recollecting her childhood and teen winters, where it was normal to use the rooftop of their house as a hill, because the snow was almost to the roof. I've been in that house and it's your normal, one-store high village house.

But hey, it's all just a scam of those evil ecologists who... who want to take over the world! Of course, that's all they want!

>>50485366
>When I was a kid, average winter was -10 Celcius,
>personal experience
That's not how it works.
As a whole, the temperature of Earth has increased by about 1.5°C. That's not something you'd notice.
There are local differences of extreme nature, but for many parts of the temperate zone it's basically business as usual (besides weather becoming a bit more extreme, like winters actually getting colder).

Also, modern deniers don't say that the climate doesn't change. They say that the change is not effected by humans.

>>50485366
Man it doesn't even snow in my town anymore

>>50483304
>operation market garden was a success

Which video talks about this? (Betting it's really a "American Airborne at Nimejin were the real failure" rant)

>>50485404
>by about 1.5°C
In what period?

Because out of curiosity I've just checked the local meteoroligical station. By their record, average winter temperature rises yearly by about 0.20 (sometimes 0.1) in past 16 years and they don't have records online before 2000.

>>50485473
>local
Again, local is a completely different matter and won't help you any in a discussion of GLOBAL warming.
>In what period?
I think the last 40-50 years. I'm not sure exactly. But the point is, the actual global difference, is seemingly benign, if you don't understand what a huge deal such a little change is.

>>50485404
>>50485502
>It's not how it works
>Proceeds to make stupid fallacies himself

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>>50485527
I'm sorry, I'm not too educated myself. Please correct me.

>>50485404
>Also, modern deniers don't say that the climate doesn't change. They say that the change is not effected by humans.
Reminds me my Geo teacher from high school. Shit ended up with calling people from the superintendenture, because the guy was finishing all his classes about climate with "And all of this is bunch of bullshit, because I don't believe in it and you shouldn't either".
Then why the fuck teaching?

>>50485532
I'm just pointing you should fucking start with noting the temperature-to-time relation, otherwise your claim is as biased as the anon talking about his life experiences (who in turn make him sound more valid due to your fallacy).
Same applies to "local doesn't matter". Global is a sum of local, you dolt.

>>50485593
>Same applies to "local doesn't matter".
At least learn to read.

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>>50480607
>Lindybeige
If the subject isn't ancient history it's 100% bullshit.
If the subject is ancient history it's 40% bullshit.

Let's check out how much arrogance overrides common sense this time.
>Dexterity has nothing to do with initiative
>How dextrous you are has nothing to do with how quickly you can spring into action or react to your surroundings
>Even though reflex saves are based on Dexterity as well
Sure thing mate

>Initiative is based on experience
Initiative DOES increase as levels go up

>Waiting for your turn is unrealistic
Alright then, propose an alternative that keeps the game managable.

>People around the world watch these videos to improve their English
At this point his stereotypically British arrogance gets so thick, I can't tell whether he's joking or actually this delusional. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but this is the man who unironically defends the imperial system.

>They stand up again and charge me
Are you sure your DM isn't just shit? Last time I checked standing up from a prone position took a full round action.

>I'm busy waiting for your turn
Every round is six seconds. If this really tickles your autism, just think up some explanation. Maybe you need to catch your breath after casting a spell or whatever. Is this nigger seriously complaining about in game and IRL seconds not matching up 1-on-1?

>People don't wait for their turns, they see things and react to things
Guess what armor class and saving throws represent! Exactly, you reacting to the enemy's action! You're not standing still, you're defending yourself one way or another. The enemy needs to overcome your AC ie. your attempts at not getting hit! That dexterity you complain about also increases AC remember?

>B-But it's slow
>I want it to be completely freeform
Then play freeform! You're not proposing an alternative, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

I haven't been this triggered since his "Napoleon is literally Hitler" twaddle.

>>50485634
God almighty he's so English it's obnoxious

>>50485634
Then I suggest watching him denying concentration camps during 2nd Boer War. Or just about watching any Brit-wank video he ever made.
That shit is strong enoigh is enough to trigger Brits about someone being so absurdly and in the same time unconsciously nationalistic.

>>50481445
/his/ hates him as much as /tg/ does. There was this huge butthurt thread about his French resistance video.

>>50485680
>Then I suggest watching him denying concentration camps during 2nd Boer War.
What video? I feel like getting mad.
I pray he never discovers /int/.

>>50485634
Anon, were you actually expecting sense, logic or providing actual solutions from Lindybeige?

I mean he's THE Idea Guy when it comes to "game-fixes"

I like Lindy cause hes cute and his voice is nice.

Him triggering people is just a plus.

>>50485704
Boer Concentration Camps, from the "political" series he made 5 years ago, aka his worst and most autistic period.

>>50484197
>idiot viking tries to block the full swing with the exact middle of the haft

I mean, yeah, the sword doesn't need to be halfway through the motherfucker, but trying to block a two-handed swing with a weapon that heavy with the literal weakest part of your weapon is pretty much begging for death. That guy would have a broken collarbone and be permanently disabled at best, right up until someone came along to poke him in the larynx with a spear.

>>50485797
Hence why the whole thing is a "bad fight"

>>50480607
>This is stupid!
>Doesn't present a viable alternative that isn't a total nonsensical clusterfuck

>>50485634
>Are you sure your DM isn't just shit? Last time I checked standing up from a prone position took a full round action.

In 5e it's "an amount of movement equal to half your speed." So no longer as punitive but still not insignificant, especially given how many ways there are to reduce remaining speed to 0.

>>50485825
The only thing particularly bad about it by TV standards is that if goes halfway through the guy.

Everything else is bog standard /tv/shit. I honestly wonder what a show would look like where they had actual professionals fighting realistically instead of the "Bad Guy" characters all being too stupid to live. It might look boring, but if some professional fencing matches are to be believed, it could be interesting to watch.

Shame we'll never find out, because TV and Film are mediums for people who've never had an original idea in their lives, without first putting that idea through three rounds of focus group testing.

>>50485899
>where they had actual professionals fighting realistically
But we don't really know what fighting realistically entails.
We can mostly recreate dueling situations, but battles between larger groups are still largely an unknown.

>>50484086
What made me rage is how little effort he put in climate change. Its like yeaj idk what the fuck its a green house gas,but fuck it im gonna have an opinion! Cos you know IS A THEORY. Bitch if you are gonna talk about something LOOK ACTUAL DATA.

>>50485841
You must be really new to Lindybeige and his TTRPG videos. So far the only one being good and providing solution was Escalation, mostly because any half-decent GM figured that out on their own about 30 years ago.

>>50485841
>>Doesn't present a viable alternative

Yes he does, he mentions RuneQuest which has an immeasurably superior system.

>>50485946
Another new person to Lindybeige, I see.
Don't you know he doesn't care about actual data?

And that about 5 years ago he create - fully intentionally - entire series of politically incorrect videos as click baits, since he was running low on cash and nothing brings dough faster than internet fame achieved by triggering people.

>>50485952
Hackmaster or fengshui do it much better. Rq was a clusterfuck

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So, today on 4chan. "Don't forget that the Nazi concentration camp deathtoll was over 10 million because of gays, political dissenters, and other ethnic groups were killed alongside the Jews" is Holocaust Denial,,,

>>50480654
>>50481033
Can you stop with the FUCKING ad hominems and address his point please.

>>50485980

RQ is great, its initiative system is leagues ahead of D&D. As a game I prefer others but for the purposes of the video it's a good comparison.

>>50485980
But RQ is one of two games Lloyd ever played, so what do you expect here?

>>50485634
>>Initiative is based on experience
>Initiative DOES increase as levels go up
Only in the shittiest versions of the game.

>>50485986
Nobody gives a fuck about that aside bunch of autists that are /pol/ anyway, but lurked on /tg/ so long they are technically fa/tg/uys now.

>>50485994
First he would have to start making them, rather than creating click-bait videos

>>50486012
>>50485634

Also level is not the correct metric, you can gain levels without ever getting into a fight. Initiative should be keyed to your COMBAT skills, not to something stupid like "level" or to the weapon used.

>>50485976
I saw tg videos and historical videos. Tg things are normaly non empirical and idk shit about history. But that climate change video was at ted cruz campaign lvl.
I hope that its only bait cos if not it would be sad.

>>50480607

My game system already solves this.

Simultaneous actions, but unlike L5R you split the round up into maybe 4 turns that way there's probably only 2-3 people going at the same time.

If you got some guy who says he's gonna move over this way, and you want to chase him, it produces interception pattern. How far does he get, how much distance can you cover? If you cant make the difference then his starting distance from you is protection against you being able to intercept.

Also make Actions overlap with Movement so that way you're already preparing to jump up and strike with your axe as you are about to reach your target (you dont just get there, stop, then start swinging your axe, thats not how a charge works).

Sure this way of doing something has its quirks but it solves this problem and it solves some others too.

like a guy gets shot dead but he was preparing to shoot you at about the exact same time, so both actions go off without being exclusive (you can kill each other at the same time or he can mortally wound you)

> "The confidence of youth" - Cold Mountain

Also reactions like attacks of opportunity and coming close to someone who's got a reach weapon and they're holding-the-line, those take precidence unless the offender has a way to bypass them.

(but I limit AOO to guys who have special training that actually gives it to them, because thats the ability to react offensively rather than simply on defense such as making a reflex save or dodge move)

>>50486006
Well rq was the first game i played and the initiative cost of actions (at leats for me) its complex.
Hackmaster is nearly the same but more streamlined.
Fenshuit its the shit in that aspect. It can have proper speed cost per manouver without being clunky.
Seventh sea is decent in that aspect too.

>>50481033
> what a cuck
opinion discarded.

>>50486097

Even RQ, clunky tho it is, is far better than D&D in pretty much every regard.

>>50486036
I'm not sure if it's bait per se, but I know for sure he had a rough period 5 years ago and was eager to murder someone in front of camera if that would bring traffic to his video.

So it's better to assume those were all baits (he created 3/4 of his most obnoxious videos back then, one after another) that assuming he was serious and/or venting some repressed anger or deeply hidden believes.

I always remember his "Students should be poor video", which was the most retarded shit he ever made, because it was so shortsighted, so off the point and what he considered "poor" was just a joke.
Sadly, that video was also 200% serious

But I always like his torch series. Coincidently, I found about him existing when I needed a short, simple video explaining to one of my players how does crossbow mechanism works due to game-related issue with psionic messing with the mechanism.

>>50485935
True enough. The only place in film or tv where professional input comes from real experience is war movies, though soldier experience can still enhance a story, like that story about Christopher Lee explaining to Peter Jackson what it actually sounds like when you stab someone in the back.

>>50486129
>he had a rough period 5 years ago and was eager to murder someone in front of camera if that would bring traffic to his video.
Wait what? Care to provide more details? Was it when he was fired by that university?

>>50480607
>Is he right /tg/?
Almost never.

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>>50480607
The only thing I remember about this dude is that he went on and on in one of his videos about how things should escalate to combat gradually. It was an ok idea, but wasn't exactly applicable to all situations like he was trying to assert. Don't really feel like watching him again. Someone mind giving me a summary?

>>50486213
>Christopher Lee explaining to Peter Jackson what it actually sounds like when you stab someone in the back.
Love that one. Especially since it's true on every single level.

>>50486260
More or less. So that's why I consider them a bait and a lot of anger being vented out

>>50486362
Escalation video, torches mini-series and his recent explaination of how platoon and company works are probably the only good stuff regardless of anything.

>>50486129
On an unrelated note, I want 5e crossbows to be a more viable choice. How do?

So far, I've had the idea of making a homebrew rule that they can penetrate any target of medium size, if they are not wearing medium or heavy armour, so the player can take an attack roll /w disadv. against anyone in a straight line behind the first target, out to 15 ft.

>>50485634
>full round action
Depends. In 5e i'm pretty sure its just most of your movement.

>>50486474
Don't ask me, I never ever played D&D in my life and my entire experience of it was by watching my friends playing AD&D grand total of once.
I'm more of a GURPS and CP2020 fag.

>>50481033
Literally the opposite.

>>50486099
You're just as bad.

>>50486523
I once bought all the rulebooks for GURPS and then lend them to a young dude at the boarding school where I was temping, cause he seemed really interested and cool.
Of course, I eventually quit and never did get my books back, and to this day I haven't yet run a GURPS-game.

>>50486474

Just back away smiling. They're intended to work with feats, nets, and the Beast Master archetype. If you're not interested in that just stick to regular bows.

>>50480607
As long as one doesn't assume everything he says is right, and that many of the things are his opinions (he has gotten better at this lately, especially when talking about historical topics), then Lindy is a pretty cool guy.

Like the last movie about halberds. I think he mentioned 3-4 times throughout the video that this was not facts, but his own opinions and how he THOUGHT it would have worked out.

Big improvement.

As for the French hate, that's just cute. I also make fun of the French whenever I can.

>>50481423
And this is hillarious.

>>50487071
Hmm. I can see the Beast Master symbiosis, and the feat-bit is obvious, but the rules for a net explicitly says: "When you use an action, bonus action or reaction to attack with a net, you make only one attack, regardless of the number of attacks you could normally make."
So you couldn't utilize extra attack to throw a net and then shoot your crossbow, for example.

It's not "what they're intended to do" - it just bother me that crossbows seem to be a mechanically weaker choice than bows. There should at least be some fun fluff about them to make up for it.
Like penetrating shots or something else.

>>50487195
>As for the French hate, that's just cute.
He'd be in jail if he said the same things about black people, you know.

Initiative is not very realistic but D&D has never been very simulationist, and fundamentally no turn-based system can be simulationist.
A fundamental issue in game design, however, is that you can't really make real-time work with any dice rolling.
And if you remove the dice rolling and the turn rules, what left is there? It'd be just role playing, you've stripped it of its qualities as a game.

>>50487195
It's not hilarious when you realise he got fired for this and never really get over it.
I mean it's hilarious on its own way, but not as hilarious as he thought it would be.

>>50487195
>Big improvement
Still doesn't make him good, mind you.

>Hey, it's another video of that guy who can't separate his opinions from facts!
>What do you think, /tg/?
That you should stop posting bait threads.
Or making internet nobodies famous.

>>50487401
Yeah, but that shows there is something wrong with modern society, not with Lindy.

>>50487529
>Not with Lindy
>Being unapologethic nationalist is ok, I guess
Sure you shouldn't be on /pol/ or something?

>>50487596
Do you think he spits on Frenchmen when he walks past them on the street?

I guess you're American, back here in Yurop, we trash talk our neighbouring countries to the ground. We have a long history of our ancestors killing each other. We express this in the form of calling each other bad names and making fun of each other.

Yet when it comes down to it, we always vote for our neighbouring country in the next eurovision song contest.

>>50485714
>lindy is cute

Lloyd please go.

>>50483304
>no one used scythes
This is true.

>>50487661
I'm a Pole. And I find nothing funny about this kind of "jokes". Especially when they are sprouted by person like Lloyd, who is ALWAYS reminding everyone about superiority of Brits on every single thing, speaks utter bullshit about just about anything that happen outside his "mighty empire" (since apparently it's ok when he's ignorant about shit happening outside his tiny isle) and created enough content denying many historical facts to just white-wash Brits it's hard to be taken as a "just a prank, bro". And when he's not busy white-washing British/English, he's busy making them larger than life to just annoying extent.

Since you are European - or claim to be - you should be aware how nationalism and flag-waving is treated around. You see, we had a lot of misfortune caused by morons who did it in the past and nobody likes this type of behaviour.

And we vote this way, because it's impossible to vote for own country, you moron.

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>>50488056
>no one used scythes
>This is true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosynierzy

So kindly fuck off, Lloyd.

>>50488133
>scythes
>war scythes
These are different things, war scythes are a type of polearm used to kill other humans, scythes are a farming tool.

>>50488112
its okay man. you dont have to worry about big bad national boundaries. soon europe will be a wont have any countries anyway. just the one self-appoitned autocratic union with its private army.

but don't worry, the us, canada, russia and britain will bale you fuckers out. again.

>>50488133
If you'd watched the video, he is explicitly talking about the usage in modern culture with people using farming scythes as weapons, as in scythes with the blade stuck in a 90 degree angle.

War scythes are what most people call polearms.

>>50480607
Nah he's not right. He has misunderstood initiative, probably because his DM is shit.

>>50488176
And this is English article, which is wrong you dolt.

The whole point of kosynierzy was to take peasants, who were traditionally forbidden from having any arms in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, arm them with their own fucking scythes and send them to battle as literal cannon fodder.

Please, fucking don't educate me about history of my country, just because some moron linked wrong shit on wikipedia.

>>50488189
If you know anything about Polish history - you would know they've literally armed peasants with farming tools and send them against Russian cannons.

And it fucking worked.

>pole
Shouldn't you be cleaning a toilet right now?

>>50488197
Or probably because he never played D&D above AD&D and about 15 or so years ago.

>>50488112
Isn't it the biggest irony, that this time it's the left that wants to unite all countries into a single one, while the right fight for sovereignty? And that both times it's Germany leading it.

>>50488221
By taking farming scythes, pulling them apart, and attaching the blade at a completely different angle.

Kinda like taking a stick and putting a pointy tip on it. It is now called a spear, not a stick.

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>>50488185
How does it feel knowing Scots will break away from you in 5 years, taking all the gas and oil with them?

>>50487506
>Lindybeige
>internet nobody

There are threads about him all over here and other boards on a weekly basis.

>>50488185
>the scots breaking away from Canada

funny, but not as funny as when they break away from england just in time to join the sinking dumpster fire that is the rest of EU.

when scotland leaves its also going to take all the scots. equal trade.

>>50488271
I'm sorry to say, but that will be a short lived glory.

The amount of oil gathered has been steadily declining, and oil prices have fucking crashed.

The amount of money GB earns from oil is huge, but England would manage without it. The question is how Scotland would manage without the oil.

>>50480607
Yes and no. Yes, the initiative system makes very little sense as it is right now. No, it really helps to facilitate engaging play for everyone to be able to have some kind of structure.

He is still a knob.

>>50488296
You don't get it, do you? By making such threads, you turn internet nobody into a personality.

But hey, /v/ is still in denial they single-handly created Anita with their constant shitposting about her.

>>50488359
It's always fun to read English.
Who needs EU, they just take money! We can deal without them!
Who needs Scotland, they just take money! We can deal without them!

It's the stupidity of higher level.

>>50483304
Christ, what the fuck is this? Let me just go through this list:

>no one used swords, axes
Not what he said at all. He's even got multiple videos on how swords were used and why they were good.

>no one used horses
Not even close. His argument was that war horses needed to be bred specifically first before being used - which is true.

>no one used throwing knives
He said they weren't widely used by soldiers as shown in Hollywood movies, not that literally nobody used them.

>no one used double strap arm shields
He said most were used with a handle because it turns them into a secondary weapon, not that no-one in history ever strapped a shield to their arm.

>no one used scythes
Basically true. Even when they were used, they were modified to be more like spears.

>no one used mail coifs
Never said that, he said there was padding underneath. He even showed pictures of coifs being used where the images showed padding to make his point.

>no one used torches
No-one used them indoors, certainly not as prolifically as is shown on tv. Mostly because fire in an enclosed space is a great way to get ash everywhere.

>Pikemen didn't fight each other
I don't think he's even tried to say this. In his videos about halberd shapes, he even goes on about how the hook shapes would be used to drag other polearms out of the way.

>no one spoke French during the French revolution
Where does he say this?

>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
More nuanced than that.

Etc. I think you can probably make the rest of the arguments yourself.

Also,
>Napoleon was literally Hitler
Is not massively unfair. He ordered grapeshot to be fired into civilian crowds, bankrupted France, reinstated slavery, almost destroyed the republic, instated himself as an absolute ruler and began conquering swathes of Europe.

>>50488473
>defending lindybeige

>>50488458
I'm from Norway. Not sure if you were aware of this, but we also have a lot of oil.

Our economy is shitting itself at the moment.

>>50481553
kek, for real?

>>50488627
Pic from >>50481423 is not a montage. He actually wrote this shit.
And got fired.

>>50488563
Not exactly, since the oil prices jumped yesterday and are still climbing.

And it's hard not to know WHY Norway is one of the richest countries around, really. But hey, it might be salmons, I still have fond memories of farming them and earning in two months more than I did in my regular job back home for 6 years.
Totally salmon-backed economy.

>>50484197
i like his movie reviews too
>>50483304
faggot got owned
>>50488473
>Mostly because fire in an enclosed space is a great way to get ash everywhere.
also torches made of "natural" materials make a lot of smoke and... they are not very safe

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>>50488473
>Is not massively unfair.
http://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/articles/napoleon-hitler-the-improbable-comparison/
It's incredibly unfair.

>He ordered grapeshot to be fired into civilian crowds
A royalist uprising, actually.

>bankrupcy
It was bankrupt when he started and remained on the brink of bankrupcy due to various wars. More on that later.

>reinstated slavery
I'll grant you that without question

>almost destroyed the republic
You wot m8?

>instated himself as an absolute ruler
Try having a look at pic related

>and began conquering swathes of Europe
>began
Napoleon fought in nine wars, of which he started two, both of whom could be framed as what Americans would call pre-emptive strikes.
Nah... nah.

It's "not massively unfair" to compare a genocidal maniac on the one hand and the man who brought persisting liberal reform on the other if you get all your historical information from "John Bull's guide to how Britain created everything".

>>50488710
kek, so he's basically one of us? maybe he starts those lindybeige threads

>>50488563
Oh, and answering your previous question - Scotland has fraction of British population, that's for starters.
In fact, they are about as populous as Norway. Rings any bells?

>>50487195
i liked his halberds video, i don't know if it's correct but it gave me a lot of ideas

>>50488789
That we are both fucking screwed when the oil runs out?

>>50488778
Don't bother, you seriously think Brits are going ever to admit the entire period of Napoleonic Wars was their desperate attempt to keep everyone down and keep their position secure?
I mean their whole fucking empire was depending on outcome of the war and they've spend 20-odd years making Napoleon the bogeyman for everyone until he died.

Said that, I do mind conquerors, regardless of situation. But then again, my country got pretty liberal law and constitution thanks to his conquests, so it's still something.

>>50488809
We are all screwed.
But it's not the issue. It's about Scots getting a nice start when they break away.
Because they will break away, as the main reason and argument that prevented them from breaking away year ago was "No, we will not leave EU". The only thing preventing them from leaving right now is British Parliament preventive cockblock right after the referendum to make sure they won't break too fast.

>>50488794
Like always, he's mostly wrong. BUT what makes this video really stand out against his standard output is him admitting this or that is just his opinion, rather than treating his own words as enlightened truth.
Shit's rare for him.

>>50485704
>There was this huge butthurt thread about his French resistance video
pray tell why?
but hurt frogs?
the jedbrough teams.
infighting
shit like that sounds right but then again i don't give a flying fuck about frogs

>>50480607
I don't know who you are but the fact that you're shilling here tells me your videos are most likely shit, so fuck off.

>>50488954
I haven't seen the video myself but from the posts in the thread I deduced his point was pretty much "the French resistance did literally nothing". Something Eisenhower disagrees with.

But then again, I haven't seen the video myself yet.

>>50489055
weird, he impressed upon me the
usefulness of the resistance as a non-combative force with the destroying railways, ruining supply lines and etc with the assistance of the jedenbrough teams
i think it's a bunch of whiny frogs

>>50489055
The video was inconsistent tango between "the French resistance did literally nothing" (bullshit) and "the French resistance is blown out of proportions with actual effort" (somewhat true, since most of archives were sectet up until late 70s and most of the stuff was propaganda rather than facts)

Either way, the video was one huge piece of shit, one of those "If he just bothered to at least check wikipedia before filming, Jesus Christ, when this guy will finally check his facts" vidoes he makes.

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>>50489000
I met be able to get some use out of this.

>>50489055
Thats completely false though.

His argument was that the french resistance wasn't one cohesive unit, but a large number of seperate groups with their own interests and goals, and that these groups were just as likely (or even more likely) to fight each other as to fight the Germans.

And that the reason they actually DID amount to something was that the brits started using radio signals and sent support to these resistance groups in order to make them work towards a similar goal, or at least a goal that ruined the most for the Germans.

The part where he gives the British credit for everything is probably where his bias comes rearing its ugly head, but the rest sounds very reasonable.

The fact is that the germans controlled the infrastructure, and also that England is close enough to support them rather effectively. So it makes sense that the Brits did so.

>>50489221
I guess I will save it too. Although it might have better shelf-life on /v/

>>50489242
There is a difference between saying "Brits helped around" and "Brits did it all themselves".
And he did the latter.

>>50481423
I google-searched this. First result links to http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/fame.html which is Lloyd's personal site and explains the situation.

TL;DR: he wrote an article criticising people who become vegetarians for dumb reasons on his site, which was hosted on university servers. A small number of vegetarians complained and his site got shut down. There was a big backlash over it.

Few months later, newspapers write a story about the scandal, framing Lloyd as being anti-vegetarian. He debunks this in the link above, read that if you want the specifics.

>>50489539
i am... slightly dissapointed

>>50489539
Lloyd, stop defending yourself. It's about time you start admitting all your fuck-ups finally. Christ, you are almost 40, but act as 14.

>>50487335

It works if you throw the net with your action and then fire the hand crossbow with your bonus action. I'm fairly certain that's exactly why they worded the feat the way it is.

>>50489187
>wikipedia
>facts

pick one.

>>50490001
The point is how he doesn't even bother with such rudimentry and entry-tier search, instead sprouting his opinions as facts.

>>50490011
on wikipedia all he'd find is other people's opinions, and end up where he started.

>>50485994
Can you stop being triggered by posters in this thread blowing you the fuck out, Lloyd?

>>50490110
>Lindybeige
>coming to 4chan
Anon please. He gets plenty of positive attention on youtube, makes enough money off of advertisements that he doesn't need to shill and is just not a 4chan person.

>>50490091
Wikipedia has a citation system for what now? 10 years? 9?
And people know how to use those for past what? 5? 6?

Besides, you are still trying to hide the fact you are not doing any research, Lloyd, so fuck off already.

>>50490110
Learn to sage when blowing people.

>>50490138
>Implying he doesn't
I guess you are not following him close enough and just know him as the guy 4chan hates, rather than content of his videos.

Alright, so every faggot and their faggot mother bitches about iterative initiative systems and how unrealistic they are, or how all else being equal the guy who goes first in initiative always wins.

I've yet to see anyone actually propose an alternative.

>>50490377
Nice you brought this thread from 6th page, now fuck off. Nobody cares. The shitstorm is over. And all the cool kids are shitposting now in different thread about Lindybeige, so go join them

>>50480607
eh that sounds more like he had a really shitty DM. because how he described it, that really shouldnt happen. doenst mean that the entire initiative system is rubbish

>>50487335
D&D has always, and will always, arbitrarily gimp crossbows with the limp justification that they're "simple" weapons.

>>50490613
I never understand the D&D issue with ranged weapons. They are close to fucking useless and if they are crossbows, they could literally be toys for all what matters.
Is there any other reason than "but casters have range!"? Or I'm missing something?

>>50490165
Bitch, I watch his videos. He isn't that Nostalgia Critic bitch you little faggots like to sing praise of.

>>50490650
Are you sure you didn't confuse boards?
Or years?
Because last time anyone on 4chan liked Nostalgia Critic was /tv/ somewhere around 2012.

>>50490639
"simple weapons" are intended to be low level crutches, generally. A way for plebs to contribute.
"martial weapons" are what the game is (ostensibly) balanced around, and intended to be the basis of fighter play, since only martial characters tend to get access to them.

Longbows are generally viable with investment, while crossbows... are a trap.
And why a bow can have its draw strength increased, but not a crossbow, I'll never understand.

>>50490791
Yeah, but what if you want to play as fucking Ranger and actually be ranger?

>>50490870
Use a longbow, I don't see the problem here.

>>50488254
There's a difference between inviting someone into your home and dragging them kicking and screaming into your rape basement, you know?

>>50490870
Then you use the designated archer weapon, and you deal with it, because you decided to play D&D.

>>50488839
>their desperate attempt to keep everyone down and keep their position secure
Wasn't that explicitly Britain's foreign policy up through WW2? How does someone deny that?