Shit in RPGs that make you roll your eyes into the back of your skull

>>50469588
>Players
>DM/GM
>Normies
>4chan

>>50469588
Is there something unreasonable about that, or is it just too common for your tastes?

>>50469616
why the fuck would anyone worship the ELEMENTS? That's just the building blocks of stuff. If you give them personality then they are not elements any more, they are gods!

>>50469685
People anthropomorphise without necessarily creating a separate identity. E.g., fire being passionate, water being mercurial, earth being steadfast, and so on.

>>50469588
So OP, care to post a picture of your most recent character sheet?

I mean, you probably play a lot of RPGs, and definitely don't just shitpost on /tg/, right?

>>50469685

Ever heard of animism mate? your pet peeve isn't that far removed?

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>>50469588
How dare you impugn our lords of music!

>>50470169
I get Earth, Wind, and Fire, but who are the other six guys?

>>50470340

Water, Light, Darkness, Heart, Gravity and Void.

Duh.

>>50470360
>Gravity
Funny way to spell Holy

>>50469685
I dunno man, but cultures have been worshiping elements since time immemorial. All gods are personifications of natural elements. What else would you worship that doesn't count as an element besides animals?

>>50469588
You mean like people did...?
In the real world...?
In ancient times...?

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>>50470360
>heart

never gets old

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>Not playing a qt3.14 ranger who comes from a humble nomadic culture that worships the elements as spirits of their ancestors.
>Not having that ranger get into the rough and tumble of decadent cities ruled by magus kings who control the population through false prophets and evil gods.
>Not having said ranger then question their faith as they are put into increasingly perilous circumstances and their friends are captured or killed by the BBEG.
>Then having a Mufasa in the clouds moment as you learn to follow the path of your spirit element and have evil dark sorcery get BTFO.

Why even play RPGs then?

>>50470489
People didn't really.

They worshipped gods that were personifications of the elements. All the stuff with the classical elements was SCIENCE to them, not religion.

>>50471157

>Animism never existed!

>>50470774
>spindly armed elf being able to draw a bow

>>50469685
Chill out or your allmonds will get all activated.

>>50471377
>not activating your almonds on a basis

Enjoy your no gains

>>50469685
>That's just the building blocks of stuff.
And that's not worth worshipping? Especially not in settings where elementals are inhumanly powerful creatures composed entirely of those elements? Do you really believe that a high ranking wind elemental wouldn't be worshipped like a god? Especially when the only thing setting them apart from low level god is a lack of divine ranks, with divine ranks being an arbitrary construct to begin with?

You can't just dismiss a single line concept you fucking idiot. Anything works with the right execution.

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>>50471402
I do lotsa cardio, cardio allready kills gains. On a completelly unrelated issue do you want to run a marathon with me?
It'll be fun, I swear.

>>50469588
>>50469685
Is this shit for real? Please tell me they are trolling.

>>50471500
I can dl 410 lbs, but a marathon will totally wreck me.
I accept my defeat.

>>50469610
>Le romantic misanthrope
8/10

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>>50471157
>All the stuff with the classical elements was SCIENCE to them, not religion
>thinking ancient people differentiating between science and religion

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>>50469685

>I know literally nothing about religious history: The Post

>>50471562
I like you,you're a good sport.
I salute your integrity and honor, anon sama.

>>50469588
>What's shintoism?

>>50472884
A bizarre religion that worships butthole eye ghosts

>>50472884
spirit worship.

>>50471189
Point to one branch of animism that does not deal with spirits but with elements

>>50472884
weeb christianism

>>50471213
>the creature that lives to be 1000 and was literally created by its god is constrained by human muscle tolerances

Highest of laughs

>>50469588

> elves live for hundreds of years
> start out about 100 years old

> arent at least halfway to epic level with huge skill selections and weapon masteries already

>>50469588
>Creating a mixture of Japanses, Irish, Carribean and Brooklyn cultures.

>>50474159
When most of your life is about dicking around your forest relaxing and learning things at what would be considered a lazy pace for humans, you don't tend to start adventuring till you've outlived most humans.

Like seriously, they probably do sword training like once a week for an hour. Then go have a 2 hour lunch, and then take a hike to visit that neat spot near the river for a light hearted game of mancala or three and then go searching for herbs for the end of the week mini feast.

>>50474377
You describe this as if its a common trope. What is this from?

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>>50474886
With a bit of bending, maybe Warcraft trolls? Lacks the Japanese though. And aztec would be more valid as a choice.

>>50474159
In D&D at least they establish that they're adolescents until ~100.

Just take every year of your childhood and multiply it by 5, right?
Why would they start out epic?

Goblins hit adulthood at like 8 or 10. Does that mean everyone else should start out way higher level than them?

>>50470169
>>50470340
kek tier

>>50474159
Elves spend roughly 90 years surfing Internet sites and watching anime before they start to do something meaningful with their lives.

>>50474656
Well, let's do the math
>live for 100 years
>old enough to hold a sword at 20
>practice swords once a week for an hour
>52 weeks in a year
>for 80 years
>4160 hours
And that's just the motherfuckers that laze around and only do the mandatory PT. Elven warriors that actually want to be the best would be fucking terrifying. The ridiculous flippy spinny shit that Legolas did in The Hobbit is probably the most accurate depiction of elven swordsmanship ever put to film.

>>50474886
I guess he meant mixing cultures in a non-sensical/convoluted way, making an inconsistent mess.

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>>50476925
>The ridiculous flippy spinny shit that Legolas did in The Hobbit is probably the most accurate depiction of elven swordsmanship ever put to film.
It would be more convincing coming from an tall, well-built, grey-eyed elf.

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>muh good drow
It's just such a dry, overused concept. Let it rest in the vault with lich BBEGs for half a decade and then see what happens.

>>50470169
greatest Klingon band ever

Elves in general. I don't hate them but give it a damn rest - not every character the party makes has to be elves.

>>50475003
The only good thing in Warcraft.

>>50477788
>not every character the party makes has to be elves

Can confirm: In my last play group I was a Tiefling Bard and the other characters were an Elf Wizard, Elf Ranger, and a Half-Elf Monk. Motherfuckers almost never wanted to a Full rest so it was bitch using spells. Especially since I was the only one with healing spells.

>>50475073
>Goblins hit adulthood at like 8 or 10. Does that mean everyone else should start out way higher level than them?
Yes

>>50470360
>darkness void and gravity not being a single one
Just put Ice and steel into the mix if we want to be redundant

>>50480098
>absence of light
>absence of stuff
>force that makes things fall down
>all the same thing.
I want to know what argument you can make for those three being one and the same. I already know it cannot be a cogent one, so don't make too big effort...

>>50480339
Easy. They are all black.

>>50471213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6I8pQTiCzA

this girl is p thin and she can pick up nearly 220lb

plus elves are fucking magic

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>>50480865
Deadlifts work out everything but the arms. Also,
>dem thighs

>>50473603
Worshipping the personification of something doesn't mean you're not still worshipping the original thing.

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>>50469588
>not praising the sun
Pleb detected

>>50469588

I worship californium, curium and neptunium.

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>>50469588
>I'm playing a dwarf!
That's great, good on you
>With an axe!
Ok cool

And then the cunt will roll out the worst notscottish accent to just take that dead horse out for another fucking beating.

>>50469685
Even if you ignore the basic elemental worship or the instances in which a simple lightning was interpreted as the doings of a huge man in the sky, I remind you that early greek philosophers (pre-Socrates) debated over which element was the basic elements.

Thales of Miletus claimed that water was the first and most important of the four elements because it was the amount of moisture (or absence of it) and the amalgamation of all other elements through it that determined matter.

Heraclitus of Ephesus claimed fire was the rightful one, as basic manifestation of change in all elements and matter. His ideas were a bit like the concept of energy transmission, though it was still too early to look at it with a scientific approach.

I don't remember who the guys respectively advocating earth and air were but I'm sure anyone can find out even on the most basic websites like wikipedia; unless they are OP, in which case they will be redirected to endless slideshows of cocks to lust upon.

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>>50469588
You seem to have illustrated the corollary: never start a "post X" thread with an example of X more interesting than your thread concept!

>>50483055
Anaximenes claimed it was air. As far as I know, no greek philosopher ever claimed it was earth.

>>50469588
It's almost as stupid as worshipping the sun, right?

>>50483055
Shout out to Parmenides for starting the whole gnostic "our world is a fake world" descartes-style bullshit.

>>50475073
If I had 5 times as much childhood I would fucking run the place, so yes.
God, I did so much more shit as a kid.

>>50483040
are dwarves just a magnet for uncreativity? why does /tg/ like them so much?

>>50483055
I have a pseudo-religion in setting that was heavily inspired by Thales of Miletus, though it's more a philosophy brought on by'look at how many water gods the other religions have' than actual worship.

>>50485420
Because /tg/ is a magnet for uncreativity

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>>50485698
Just as the corn is surrounded by chaff, the creative are suffocated by those who lack.

>>50485420
Dwarves just work, that's why. Dwarves also tend to get more justifications for their specializations over elves usually.

>>50486469
Nothing about dwarves does or ever has made sense. They are trash that grognards idolize because they, on some level, realize they are trash too

>>50469588
Intelligence checks for history and religion, and other broad topics with many specific branches.

>>50486660
All stat checks cover broad categories of activities with many specific branches, though. Why single out Int checks?

>>50469685
People are stupid anon. Bear in mind there is a movement to resurrect paganism, in the twenty first century there are people voluntarily pretending or genuinely believing witchcraft and tree spirits exist.

>>50469588
SEEK OUT THE THRONE OF THE ELEMENTS

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>>50483040
>And then the cunt will roll out the worst notscottish accent to just take that dead horse out for another fucking beating.

What's ironic is that the "scottishness" of dwarves was likely based on the naavies, who were cheap irish laborers in the US and UK when lord of the rings was being written and would have frequently been seen around mines and in lumberyards of the period, and also have been fairly stunted in height due to the potato famines but fairly muscular and hardy from their daily work.

So remember to do "gruff irish" accents when doing dwarves, not "gruff scottish" accents, it's just unrealistic otherwise.

>>50486815
>tips fedora

>>50484592

actually Johann Joachim Becher's Physica subterranea (1667) proposed that the non-earth elements were all types of earth, of which the one replacing fire, "terra penguinous", was held to be released from an object that underwent combustion, a notion that would form the basis of Stahl's 1703 "Phlogistonic theory".

And let's be honest, by the 1600s all europeans were just various kinds of greeks.

>>50487012
Acknowledging that people are stupid is in no way fedora-worthy. Are you lost?

>>50487126
>tips fedora

>>50482727
If it has personhood it's a god

>>50487059
>by the 1600s all europeans were just various kinds of greeks
Your going to have to put a little more work into that if you want to be taken seriously on this matter.

Now I want a setting where there worshippers of shit like arsenic, helium and boron

>>50487150
You haven't contradicted anything in the post you reference.

>>50487150

God's aren't people any more than celebrities.

>>50477788
>Elves in general
I have a problem with people playing old or ancient characters in general.

>Oh yeah my character is 1000 years old and was a great general and scholar in his time and did all sorts of cool shit
Well why is he level 1 then?
>Well he lost all his power because X and now he's looking to get it back.
>Proceeds to play character like a regular human but expect everyone to treat him as a badass

So yeah, now I disallow characters like that in my games unless we're starting at a high level already, players can almost never do "ancient" or "wise" or "experienced" characters well.

>>50487259

Oh god, you reminded me of something.

Long, long ago, I was playing in an LGS group, and this one guy was playing some sort of fae or similar elderitch creature.

And I'm peeking over at his character sheet because he wanted help with the math for some spell he was casting, and I see

>Age: Az is the oldest member of the group. Keep this flexible until can determine the ages of the other characters, but is at least a thousand and at most 2.3 times the age of the next oldest character.

(paraphrased, I don't remember the exact wording).

I'm not even sure why it annoyed me so much, but I seriously wanted to punch him over it.

>>50469685
Read actual books instead of RPG rulebooks, anon.

>>50487310
>but is at least a thousand and at most 2.3 times the age of the next oldest character.
Wouldn't this require the next oldest character to be 435 years old?

>>50486536
>Nothing about dwarves does or ever has made sense. They are trash that grognards idolize because they, on some level, realize they are trash too
aight you hate dwarves I get it.

>Bat people
>Wolf people
>Rat people
>Squirrel people
>Lizard people
>Snake people
>______ people

Someone please prove me wrong that animal people aren't the gutter of creativity.

>>50486536
Get the fuck out of here knife-ears.

>>50487126
>tribbles trilby

>>50486815
Paganism is fucking based m8.

>>50486536

OH BECAUSE LIVING A FUCKING TREE AND BEING WANKERS WANKING EACH OTHER OFF ALL DAY WHILE SINGING SONGS AND WANKING MAGIC OFF INTO YOUR MAGIC HOLES MAKES SENSE!?

FUCK OFF BYGORRA WHICH YU.

>>50469588
Zoroastrizm had fire worship so go back and tip your stone age fedora.

>>50487375

Most of the campaign was a kind of Unseelie vs Seelie court intrigue/low key civil war amongst the fey peoples. The average age of the party was something like 700ish.

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>>50469588
>everyone is oddly tolerant and your the dickhead because you have your own kingdoms self interest
>being own race first is bad

Why would I not be biased to my own? I don't care for the others really. Ain't my people.

>>50469685
>why do people worship animal spirits
>why do people worship nature
>why do people worship the ocean

There are a lot of things that you can even partially personify without making them a deity.

>>50486815
How hard is it to accept a human need for narrative and imagination? Fucking militant atheists, as dogmatic as those they damn but seek to replace.

>>50471500
>unknownarmiesplothook.jpg

>>50488014

An all gorrilla UA game would be awesome.

>>50487532
Replace tree with cave and you've described dwarves

>>50471157
There where a lot of cases in history of people worshiping holy flames, sacred rivers and sacred grooves. E.g. Slavic, Germanic ancient beliefs.

>>50483055
Earth was usually considered the most base element, and not in a good way - like it was the lowest of them all.

Very powerful quest-givers.

You know the kind, that can move things or make things appear and disappear with just a thought, or read your mind, or appear and disappear at will. They're usually introduced to your party by killing some strong people with ease, maybe even rescuing your party.

They're always smug and condescending but always see something "special" about your party and need them to do something for reasons they don't adequately explain, but you just trust them, they know best, and you can't refuse anyway.

Always come across as a DM power fantasy and take up all the spotlight whenever they're present.

They're sometimes DMPCs, too. These ones are the worst.

>>50470774
I'd rather play a decadent magus who allies with the qt3.14 ranger, overthrow the evil king, and then take his place with her as my sexy bodyguard and queen.

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>>50469685
>No, dude, I don't worship FIRE fire
>I worship the FIREYMON, the living personification of fire
>Yeah, it's a little off the beaten path, a little different... you wouldn't understand

>>50487867
Actually they don't literally worship fire, that's greek misinformation.

They do consider elements to be sacred and that's why they don't burn the corpses, bury them or throw them into the water.

>>50471500
>>50488014
Uday can have troops with the ability to force choke people, since he had his personal soldiers wear helmets that looked like Darth Vader's.

>>50487175
Given the Imperialism and the fetishist imitation of what they thought ancient Greeks were like, I'd say the 16th century Europoors were more like Romans.

>>50488448
They also considered sky burial to be an act of charity to birds, and possibly passed on the practice to tibet.

>>50488113
>dwarves
>singing
>wanking
You're thinking of some sort of cave gnome.

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>>50469588
>every city has humans, elves, dwarves, fucking centaurs and thri-kreen living together without any tangible signs of racial conflict
>"half-elves are like, so discriminated against and stuff."

>>50488492
>fetishist imitation of what they think X are like
So weebs ARE actually Japanese?

Joking aside, yeah I'd say 16th century Europeans were aiming to be much closer to the Romans than the Greeks. Trying to be like something and basically being that thing are two different things, though.

>>50488517
Easy.

Race traitors and halfbreeds are despicable and the offspring of perverts.

Keep to your lane.

>>50469685
>That's just the building blocks of stuff
thats why people worship them

>>50488537
No no no, I'm saying that much like the Romans 16th century Europeans had a hard on for Greek philosophy and idealized their civilization, but actually had a warped view of it because they were viewing it their their own cultural lens which lent an air of "Ancient Mysteries" to the parts they couldn't understand because they thought that their own thought processes were "correct" in an absolutist sense.

They wanted to be like the Greeks, but ended up being like the Romans, and that's why Britain lost the Empire.

>>50487943
Ah, that makes a bit more sense.

>>50487409
I think it's because when people put effort into beastfolk races they usually get a new name (kenku, tabaxi, giff) to give them a sense of identity beyond their appearance. When you call your feline humanoids "catpeople" you're sort of implying that you created them simply so you could have catlike people.

>>50488602
Griftyanki

Thieving gypsies that live in the Astral plane and steal nations sense of self worth to subsist on.

>>50488517
is this a thing
because yeah that sounds retarded although i suppose it could be looked at as people dont have problems with other races but dont like race mixing but that only works if its every hybrid

>>50488582
I feel like you are purposefully ending posts with conclusions that are completely out of scope. Is this a conversational device?

>>50470535
>mouse over monkey's face
y tho

>>50477765
I prefer my drow neutral with malicious tendencies. I play them as the malcontent warrior fraction of elven civilization. They grow tired of being the military might that allows the bourgeois high elves and the isolationist wood elves to live in idyllic sylvan bliss, but damn do they love a fight. They have a tendency to go rogue out of frustration with the other elves.

>>50472771
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>>50488517
>ancient city has Romans, Iberians, Gauls, fucking Parthians and Goths living together without any tangible signs of racial conflict
>"Jews are like, so discriminated against and stuff"

Maybe it is some token racism element that a meh GM adds to try and make their setting seem deep - or maybe it's a very multicultural setting, with only one race having any specific reason to be discriminated against because of certain events in history

>>50480339
Black holes. They have the highest gravity, they suck in all light and anything in a black hole is compressed so as to be non-existent for us.

>>50490034
>Jews were the result of two types of relatively common people in Rome interbreeding
No.

>>50490516
>they suck in all light
>suck
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50490588
But there's no real world equivalent of that.

>>50490608
coloureds in south africa?

>>50471157

b-but animism don't real guyz

>>50469685
What is PIE religion, then? Stop insulting your ancestors, anon.

>>50490034
>>ancient city has Romans, Iberians, Gauls, fucking Parthians and Goths living together without any tangible signs of racial conflict
>gauls
>iberians
>goths
>no tension with the romans

motherfucker your history books are broken and you need to get accurate ones.

>>50490681
Actually, that's an incredible fit for this situation. Almost everything fits, if you consider what the various factions believed at the time.

>>50490516
I get gravity and darkness, and also darkness and void. But you have to bullshit a lot of fantasy babble to justify void and gravity being the same.

>>50490516
Thought of another way, black holes are full of light and stuff, the complete opposite of void.

>>50491057
Not him,but holy shit you're autistic. You just completely failed to understand the reason for his substitution there. He wasn't implying that there wasn't any conflict between those groups historically.

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>>50486815
>in the twenty first century there are people voluntarily pretending or genuinely believing miracles and Semitic sky gods exist

>>50484915
But this world IS an illusion exile. We've all be trapped by the Demiurge.

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>>50486990
Heck, I'd just be happy if they rolled all the way back to something like the dwarves of norse mythology- crazy, pale little weirdos that are secretive, shy and make fantastic things deep underground.

In a pinch I'd also take Oglaf dwarves just for something different...

>>50487409
They're better than elves which are just mary-sue versions of humans

>>50492717
I hate to admit you're right, since I do like elves, but they are pretty much humans 2.0. Anything about them being distant, or slow to learn things, or anything doesn't really make up for the problem.

Though you could also argue that dwarves are mary-sue humans, because the only thing they really have against them is their height and vague stubbornness and respect for tradition, and hey, it's not like humans never had that.

>>50469588
Anon, if you can't understand why people (especially agrarian peasants) would worship aspects of nature that could prosper them or doom them in an attempt to convince them to do the former instead of the latter (e.g. a river can provide you with water for cleaning, cooking, you can put a waterwheel on it and use it to power a lumber mill, etc. OR it could dry up or flood your farm, thus fucking you over ) you are clearly in possession of a Dire Lack of Imagination. People worshiping powerful forces in the hopes of influencing them and/or their own fate is the foundation of religion. Element worship is just what you get before someone anthropomorphizes it and calls it Zeus or Poseidon or Vulcan or what have you.

>people don't worship the elements

Seriously, why not? Every other fantasy setting has to explain gods being dicks, or being uncaring, or otherwise not being able to solve things with a wave of their hand. Elements are powerful, but fire won't go out of its way to save your family, no matter how much you pray.

>>50492286
Those are in the setting and called gnomes.

>the fact every single one of my characters either gets PTSD as a flaw or from a magical means

Its basically become a meme in the group I play with.

>>50469685
But people DID worship elements....

>>50490516
gravity is pretty entwined with mass anon. Black holes have a shit ton of mass

>>50469685
The Forgotten Realms Svirfneblin worshiped the elements. Specifically stone. And you know what? When their gods appear to them they are made out of stone.

There's no reason why a fictional people can't worship one or more elements that are also a legitimately divine being at the same time.

I mean, shit, look at Zeus, god of thunder and lightning.

>>50469588
>"Alright, players, there are two major civilizations. Civilization A is a Utopian places to live which coincidentally shares all the same political and philosophical opinions that I do, while civilization B is a dystopian shithole which coincidentally shares the exact opposite opinions from me."

>GM retroactively alters how [class-feature/ability/skill/feat/item] works and does not allow you to alter them after said revision is made, thus leaving you with a wasted investment.

>Lore that is exactly identical to that of another setting just with names changed.

>GM explicitly taking sides over in-character discussions.

>Overuse of GM fiat and retcons, especially without consulting players.

>GM creates situations which requite out-of-character knowledge to handle effectively (i.e. bringing in monsters from alternate settings or even from tv/movies/video games, with specific weaknesses/resistance which cannot be overcome without metagaming)

>One particular race/civilization/nation/faction is richly detailed and fleshed out, with every opportunity taken to show how awesome and superior they are. Every other race/civilization/nation/faction gets a halfhearted 'oh, they exist too, I guess'.

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>>50477765
>>50489217
I prefer them evil, but noble.

Like, they use slaves, assassinate each other, send cannon fodder into battle and torture people for fun (not to mention they eat the flesh of sentients) but they do have rules, and they aren't insane.

They can be likable, despite being evil

>>50469588
I absolutely despise things that people enjoy. If I see someone liking something I don't, I roll my eyes and scoff loudly. I hate them. They should like what I like.

>>50493857
>Gnomes
I had a wizard once that made his own lawn ornaments with gratuitous use of flesh-stone on the local gnomes
He was a bit of an evil cunt

>>50494364
Zeus isn't "made of" thunder and there's nothing fundamentally binding him to it. He's just the greatest of the Titans (surviving) offspring and asserts his powers that way, by claiming the all-encompassing sky as his domain.

>>50494649
>That comic
What the actual fuck

What the actual fuucckk

ReeEeeeeeEeEEEEEE

>>50486469
Spoken like a true dwarf wanker.

>>50490681
>coloureds in south africa?
Also half-caste children in Egypt, everywhere in the British empire and in slavery-era north America.

>>50487409
Animal people have the benefit of imaginability. There are certain connotations that come with different animals, like the behaviors we anthropomorphize onto them. We can express these concepts by making the animals humanoid without a need for great leaps in understanding.

Also there is a historical and mythological precedent to anthropomorphic animals.

>>50469588
To answer the OP question
>Humans are the real monsters and evil or something
in combination with
>Monsters and Demi-humans are actually the good guys and didn't do nothing or something
And not just in RPGs, i dislike those combined tropes in any medium. Can't explain why though.

>>50494919
>Doesn't know Assigned Male is ironic
My sweet summer child.

>>50495242
Tbh, my reaction was similar.

>>50495188
I think I'm on the same page.

It's like a slap in the face-- the whole "humans were the monsters all along" trope is supposed to teach the moral that evil can come from anywhere, not just from stereotypes, and the "monsters were the good guys all along" trope teaches the same thing in reverse, but when they're put together it defeats the purpose. You just loop back to "this race is the bad guy, and this other race is the good guy" except ass-backwards from where it started, and you (the player/reader/audience) are now painted as the bad guy for no reason other than that's what medium says. It's just vaguely insulting for no tangible reason.

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>>50495306
Yeah, you actually explained it better than me - just looping back the main conflict backwards and vaguely insulting for no tangible reason.
This is a reason why i dropped that Helck manga shortly after human-angels thing started. If the monsters are so affable and friendly, why humans are so bent on exterminating them in the first place? Maybe they explain it later, but i am already lost my interest.

>>50495188
>humans can't go 10 meters off path or else they are killed by some animal/spirit/enchanted tree/whatever
>humans get their shit together, build huge cities and arm themselves
>"aw boo hoo, humans are so evil, they destroy the forest and they don't care about nature"

i hate this shit so much

>>50488515
>your dwarves don't sing drinking songs
truly awful

>>50495548
As far I read, it is because the toxic wasteland where the monsters live end up creating other, brainless ones that are super aggressive and end up attacking human territory, which leads to the humans blaming the monster for it. Of course, why the good monsters just don't flat out tell the humans that, or why insist in launching costly offensives against fortified monster positions in what is basically a irradiated wasteland rather then letting the monster horde attack the humans in prepared ground in the borders of the human territory is never explained.

>>50495790
*or why the humans insist

>>50495816
>>50495790
Because there's warmongers round the humans who are deliberately falsifying monster attacks to gain power and turn everyone into robotic angels without free will so they can rule everything.

They in one chapter captured some monsters and forced a toxic transformation on them so they would go berserk and murder a bunch of civilians as proof monsters and humans can't coexist. Basically it's all a big false flag thing.

>>50487187
I want a setting where they worship Gun Jesus and his mighty saint John Browning.

>>50495691
Yes, the Wan episodes were terrible, but you have to let go. It's over now, LoK can't hurt you anymore

>>50469588
Real world countries/ names in fantasy settings.

>>50487409
I like to put in ape people and make them humans.

>>50488282
Mostly they are there to go "I know you thought you were gonna be hilarious with you save or die spell, but fuck you"

>>50495242
But it's not

>>50469588
>Demonic possession
>Mindflayers
>Necromancy
>Anything that can enter your body
>Technically Doppelgangers
>Noxious gasses
>Electricity
>An many more.
It all depends on the shape of the skull as well.

>>50494649
s'pity drow are never depicted as such. Drow are pretty much "chaotic stupid, the race"

and everything i can think of is either more anime based, or from a specific book

>>50496213
sounds like a reasonable justification for an ammo scarcity in post-apoc. Where bullets are sacred and hoarded by the faithful

>>50497700
The birds eat the bullets.

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>>50497660
What if we replace drow with good ol' skaven?

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>>50497700
Trips to Bullet Farm can be kind of tricky with the deserts full of savages

>>50488448
Well what do they do with them then?

>>50492286
>crazy, pale little weirdos that are secretive, shy and make fantastic things deep underground.
Pale, weird, secretive, shy scotsman here: east coaster so prob more norse than celt: definitely not short like the west coasters.

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>>50469588
>>50469685
Assuming you aren't as muddy as the Clark's Fork your ancestors were worshiping that shit on the daily. Not that long ago geologically speaking.

>>50501053

Sky Burial. They put them out so that carrion birds can eat them, then place the dry bones in a pit that they don't cover. It's...actually a lot more hygienic than it sounds.

I actually want a sky burial but they violate state law so I'm going to be used as bone char fertilizer instead.

>>50488602
>I think it's because when people put effort into beastfolk races they usually get a new name (kenku, tabaxi, giff)
>giff
>.gif

I know what my next character is going to be.

>>50495242
Which is exactly why the creator tried to edit the bad webcomic wiki article on her. Yep.

>>50507129
>Her

>>50496320
What are you talking about, those were the best episodes of the season.

>>50503973
Not worth dying in another state for?

>>50507280

Would require him to find a hill that slopes into another state and die on it.

>>50507249
And them being awful is telling of how terrible LoK is

>>50506879
Have they even had official rules since 2e?

>>50487950

>iron age culture
>party is full of euphoric atheists and SJWs

>>50491751
Do you think those things exist?