Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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Show me Recon Squads!

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>>50464528

How do you counter a guy who brings a falchion and 4 castellax allies at 2500?

>>50464639
i think you ought to describe their list a bit better.

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>>50464686

Uh, iron hands, rhinos, sicaran, falchion, 4 castellax. Forgot the rest

>Book 45 Ruinstorm by David Annandale. This book will end the Imperium Secundus arc and is about Guilliman, Sanguinius, and Lion El'Jonson all trying to get to Terra.
Thank fuck. It's about time they got on with that storyline. Horus is approaching the solar system, the alpha legion are there, and we still have three primarchs (including papa sang, who has to get to terra somehow) dicking about on macragge.

Does somebody have a blank army list entry page from the hh books? We want to make legit looking entries for our campaign characters

>>50464754
i should have asked you what legion you were running
i;ll generalize it less if you tell my your list to give you a bit of a hand.

in general.
everything but the falchion should go down pretty easy here if you have the right tools.
most of what is effective against the ironhands should be effective against a castellax just slightly less.
if you have a seige breaker running phoserex should help take the load off of your other guns if you think you can squeeze it in. the major point is having preset wound modifiers like marksman vets is super fucking effective
Alternatively you could just drown them in plasmsa fire or vulkite/autocannon spam.
or drop a medusa/scorpius/baslisk template on them and abuse nucriovoxes.
or you could drown them bezerks
or missile launchers.
just remember that's 420 points base he's running with those faggots and they have to have a battlesmith cortex controller in there (it's iron hands i'd be very surprised if they didn't).
so high strength weapons for ID might be the way to go.

>twin volcano baneblade.
D off
or suicide At in it's rear if you have justarians or any other telitermies.
or outflanking melta vets with tankbuster
or lascannon havocs/support squads with siege breaker
or graviton guns for that SWEET SWEET haywire.
it's just how it goes

>>50465101
>phosphex
if you're running medusas regular shells are better literally every time

>>50465129
>if you're running medusas regular shells are better literally every time
i was talking about thud guns.
i would almost never suggest medusa-phosphex
it's the worst chemical weapons

>>50465070
Use Paint

>>50465145
I have literally no idea how to do that. Can i bother the drawthread with that?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/5fjdp5/horus_heresy_weekender_2017_future_releases_for/

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>>50464621
That's a stupid concept of an incendiary knife. It achieves overkill and gets you disarmed, not to mention it's way too visible, so it's useless for stealth.
Now, fleshbane knives on the other hand...

>>50465173
Sure you may, but I'm pagliacci so I honestly hope you find someone because I'm not doing that today.

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>>50465198
Overkill was the purpose of it I imagine.

>>50465198
>Not wanting to stab a guy at 4000 degrees
Plus, you could take multiple knives.

>>50464528
>Let's focus on your dudes
fuck yeah lets focus on my dudes, even though i should be writing an essay and 2 extra credit assignments
Iron hands, with a legio cybernetica allied detachment for when games get big(only above 3k)
assigned to guard a forge world, were still there when istvaan happened, came under attack by Night Lords and Sons of Horus, were eventually boxed into the central manufactorum, the Archmagos convinced Praetor that a retreat was necessary to preserve the research done and prevent it from falling into the wrong hands, the majority of the force made it back to the strike cruiser, except for a small detachment led by the 2nd in command, who refused to retreat, and stayed behind to draw the traitors in, then overload the main reactor, go out in a blaze of glory and plasma fire.
strike cruiser escapes after a fierce naval battle, fighting off repeated boarding actions and eventually crippling the night lord vessel, before fucking off and trying to find someone thats not actively trying to end their lives

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>>50465288
I've always seen individual weapon tweaking as stuff peace time people trouble themselves with. People in the trenches made clubs out of table legs and marines in the heresy made armour out of scrap. Both worked good enough.

As for the knives, as long as it cuts and can stab you don't need much more out of it, and I don't want to turn people nearby into fire hazzards, because I don't want to get burned and lose my weapon, all of that on a "successful" kill. And "stab and kick away" weapons are dumb as hell.

Good thing this is 30k and have cases were overkill is needed, like Castellax or vehicles.

Thermite blade, melta handle. Stab it, run the hell away and think about how resorting to melee was dumb and make a note to requisition a missile launcher the next day.

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Who would be the favorite 2hu of your favorite primarch?

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>>50465379

>>50465374
Could see some relevance in shipboard/bunker assaults, where you don't want to use high-yield weapons for fear of collapsing the entire area.

Mind, he's basically just describing a lascutter. Which already have rules and models, though people never used them when they could just spam meltabombs.

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>>50465379

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>>50465479
What, anon?

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>>50465318
>>50465318
>before fucking off and trying to find someone thats not actively trying to end their lives
I hope they know what to look for.

>>50465040
Even though the imperium secundus story arc might end, the shitstorm it left behind will forever stain the HH novel series.

I do have a morbid curiosity about what deus ex machine they're gonna pull out of their warphole this time to explain how the BA got to Terra in time, but the UM and DA didn't

>>50465714
The Lion has a daemon that lets him fly anywhere he wants.
They'll probably just use that.

>>50465751
Two issues with that :
-the DA haven't told anybody they have that weird warp thingy
-that still doesn't explain why the DA won't follow the BA to terra, considering how important loyalty and the Emperor are to the Lion

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>>50464069
I don't think it works that way. "Contrary to the normal rules for such units" probably means Cybernetica Cortex can't usually Sweep unsupervised and now they can, but Thanatars are still Lumbering Advance, clearly meant to slow them down since Monstrous creatures have Relentless by default

>>50465808
I think the Lion's now going to see how Caliban's holding up last time I checked.

>>50464527
Ravons Talons should really be a swap for normal claws. Scythes and Spears are for example. I get that the Talons can be swapped for ANY LC, not just characters. But The only thing that gets squad-wide LCs(Other than Furies) are termis. Who wants to pay 25 points for a pair of talons when a single fist for 5 is better. Just adds up to too much. The only time Talons are good is when theyre basically free on Furies.

>>50464383
>What's the sexiest upgrade or bit of wargear you Legionfags feel you can take?
>For my Mechanicum Taghmata it has to be a toss-up between Machinator Arrays for 25 pts (+2 to battlesmith, +1T, an Inferno pistol and a flamer, one of which can be fired as well as other weapons), which also lets me use said 3+ battlesmith on my robots and cast a cybertheurgy power in the same shooting phase, or the Archmagos Archimandrite (+1 reserves and all vehicles get IWND, 35 pts)

Well it has to be chainaxes for free :^)

Quad Mortars should be a 0-1 choice like Legion Artillery and probably Heavy Support.

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>>50466091
fuck you

>>50466091
0-1 Elites.
0-2 tops
The fluff states massed fire is the preferred counter to Mastodons, doesn't it? :^)

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What went right?

>>50466091
>>50466176
>Field Artillery
>Artillery
>Not Heavy Support
Never understood this.

>>50466208
plastic mk3 armour

who cares about the rest

>>50466221
and tyrants are heavy support don't question it
more accurately i'd say it would make other more artilery lists too cramped and gives some damn breathing room for shooty players
seriously i'd have taken NO elites were it not for them
and my heavy support is cluttered without the rapier batteries cluttering up my four HS slots

>>50466091
Just move Mortars to heavy support. Then it actually has to compete with the other artillery and heavy hitting shooty units.

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What generic SM units are good against NL/RG deepstrike spams and IW/IH tank spams?

My store's regulars field those as their go to lists

>>50466266
Didn't anon already posted they were Elites?

>>50466319
apothcaries for augry scanners on heavy support (or iron havok) squads vs DS

DS melta squads vs heavy tanks

>>50466319
A bazillian Rapiers :^)
What legion?

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>>50466336
they are?
fuck that's good

>>50466221
>Militia quad mortars are Heavy
>wish they were Elite like with SA, since my Heavy slots are full yet have barely anything of worth in Elite

It's like playing IG all over again...

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>>50466368
one without rules yet

So MoM has webway being super important everything yeah? So why was it still not mentioned that Russ was supposed to bring Magnus back?

If Russ had brought Magnus back to Terra literally everything else would have been fine. Magnus could have sat on the throne and Emperor could have saved the webway project.

Does anyone actually use Arlatax automata? The rules look badass, it's like if Domitars were actually good, but I never see them in lists.

Noone even uses the free PoM and Rage one you get from having Scoria.
Is it having to convert one that throws people off? I was planning on making a Homunculex, can't think of an idea. Maybe a Talos, or something upgraded with Admech parts?

>>50466579
In universe: no one's got time to whine about shit from years ago
out of universe: ADB doesn't want to touch the BL fuck up that is Magnus' warning any more than he has to.

>>50466544
>Either a furry or a nerd
either way a degenarate
just joking, TS are alright

>>50466579
It is pointless to speculate about things Inferno will answer. Be patient.

>>50466409
Well most people aren't going to believe it untill it's in an official FAQ.

"So I read on the internet that this one guy heard from another guy that FW replied to his private email that rule X should be Y" doesn't come across as that legit. Speciallly when there are people using that to claim that stomp attacks use large blasts and are Str D ap 1

>>50466623
i can only hope it's true.
1. unit havocs
1. units tyrant termies
4 slots
half my slots right there.

>>50466359
So you must use 2 HS and 1 Elites choice to protect a valuable target from a threat that may or may not come? Yet another argument on why mobile legions or centerless ones (like WS and AL) are on the right track

>>50466612
Its just kind of annoying reading though and being constantly hit with MAGNUS FUCKED UP REMEMBER every other chapter.

Well yeah and he wanted to make up for that. Theres 9000 dead TS, and a working SW fleet to show that. So why cant I get a proper answer from the guy that should care the most?

>>50466619
But I wanna no now.

>>50466682

It's not as bad as VULKAN LIVES every other sentence in Salamander books.

Sup /HHG/
i want to write a good competitive list using the Hammerfall Strike Force. what lists would you recommend?

>>50466682
It was fuck up after fuck up, you know? I'm not hating, I honestly feel bad for them, the whole legion, mainly because their suffering was caused almost entirely by Magnus.

>Promote the use of witchery to such an extent it causes his and everyone else 's legions to lose the right of using regular librarians. Even if it was indeed already planned, he gave the Emperor the perfect excuse
>Disobey the Emperor on said prohibition
>Use forbidden powers to illegally trespass a secure location, webway project or not, to rely an illegally obtained (yet correct) vision of Horus' treachery with the whole evidence being "Because I the witchking say so".
>Ends up breaking something literally worth more than himself and all his brothers.
>I better take my punishment like a good boy and deactivate the defenses.
>T'was_a_jest.remembrancer, half-assed capitulation achieves nothing.
>Tzeentch betrays him as expected
>Still joins Horus and Lorgar

Ever since he saw the vision of heresy he couldn't win, for his options were: say nothing and get fucked, warn Terra through the usual channels and let his message be lost or warped, rush to Terra himself and his legion and get fucked in transit, or use sorcery to call and warrant himself a fuck over on Terra's part.

All in all, it was indeed impossible for Magnus to NOT fuck up. Not like he needed too much external intervention, however.

>>50466988
Its called a tragedy. Magnus was accursed by both sides despite his noble aims and goals. But thats 40k. His hubris lead him to a crossroads with both paths leading to damnation. If it hadnt been Russ sent to get him then perhaps... but it was so here we are.

>>50466988
I also think that, of all the primarchs, the Emperor should at least have told Magnus what he was going to work on after Ullanor. For a start because Magnus had also discovered the webway so would have understood, but mainly because Magnus might have been the only person capable of fucking it up. It's not like Mortarion would have been bussy breaking into the imperial webway

>>50467137
>but mainly because Magnus might have been the only person capable of fucking it up.
According to MoM he was the only one.

>>50467153
All the more reason to tell him "Magnus, there are a lot of things you can fuck up, but of all there is to fuck up, but do not fuck with this one particular thing. Now go forth and fuck shit up"

>>50467153
>>50467137
But that might just make Magnus want to help, and he might do more damage that way.

>>50466682
If you want a consolation prize with MoM talking up the Custodes so hard the TS still fucked them up hard at Prospero in ATS.

How do Chem-Munition flamers do against heavy infantry?

>>50467278
Heavy infantry? Like 2+? Then its a lot of AP2 or a fucktonne(TM) of regular wounds. Shredding flamers do fall into the second. Especially on Marksmen Vets where its a bit of both.

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>>50465374
And imagine the morale damage it'd inflict from watching one of your comrades burn to death from the inside. If you get that blade anywhere inside the torso cavity that person is guaranteed to die.

>>50467278
Each hit causes 0.125 unsaves wounds against TEQ. A squad of 10 scoring 3 hits each could deal 3.75 unsaved wounds on TEQ, while suffering 0.5 unsaved wounds from Gets Hot! Charge in after firing, equipped with CCWs (and power axe on sergeant) and you'll deal 1.8 unsaved wounds more. 2.33 if you got rad grenades.

Assuming they got cataphractii.

>>50467562
Is that a volkite pistol being shot by that IW? It looks nothing like how I thought it would.

>>50466605
I have proxied several to run in my IH lists. They can slaughter marines since they're I4, dish out ok shooting, and can get rampage. I've been pleased, but mostly waiting on a model to add any permanently.

Plasma Support or Kheres Mortis for fire support role? Who's gonna fuck more shit up for ~200 points?

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>>50467562

>>50466988
>Promote the use of witchery to such an extent it causes his and everyone else 's legions to lose the right of using regular librarians.
Slander. Are you Mortarion? Nikaea as written by BL is a chaos clusterfuck barely worth mentioning. Magnus was in the right the librarian program was necessary as shown by...

>Disobey the Emperor on said prohibition
Most legions doing this. Before the end of the Heresy the DA, UM, BA, IF, WS, WE, WB, SW and yes the TS disobey Nikaea. Sadly there wasnt enough SW left after Prospero to deal with them I guess so I guess that let that slide?

>Ends up breaking something literally worth more than himself and all his brothers.
This was something he couldnt know about, but should have, and he did this to warn about Horus the great Arch-Traitor. If the Emperor had acted on this information maybe he wouldnt be a corpse. I mean its not like he had two years between Magnus's warning and Istvaan.. oh wait yes he did. He was also told by Magnus every legion that was going to fall so its a real shame about that Istvaan 5 massacre isnt it?

>half-assed capitulation achieves nothing.
He let the SW live and lived himself. Besides it was Ahriman who defended Prospero. If Russ hadnt Russ'ed the place Magnus would have gone to Terra and everything would have been fine. All Horus had to say was "to return Magnus to Terra would be a waste of time and effort" and bam, free traitor legion and half a loyal one destroyed.

>Still joins Horus and Lorgar
In the end why not? The Emperor had rejected him at every turn.

>All in all, it was indeed impossible for Magnus to NOT fuck up.
Its funny that you comprehend this yet still tak this on
>Not like he needed too much external intervention, however.
Like Magnus wasnt stuck in an impossible position. Magnus hubris didnt lead him to damnation and chaos, it lead him to the cliffs ragged edge. It wasnt till Russ arrived and threw him off that he fell.

>>50467562
>>50467833
Personally I hate the goofy Jetsons rings. You can almost hear the PEW PEW noises

>>50468236
pew pew ray guns are best guns

>>50468203
Well I guess with the whole turn-Horus-traitor now having been retconned to be just a prank by Chaos, because they intended him to lose, Magnus would have been better off doing nothing after learning about Horus' betrayal.

Unless that's going to be retconned -again- in a future HH novel.

>>50467562

>plasma russes taking out a Spartan

>>50468450
>Well I guess with the whole turn-Horus-traitor now having been retconned to be just a prank by Chaos, because they intended him to lose
Dont talk silly Anon. That isnt said or implied. If you want to claim otherwise feel free to source it.

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>>50468236
Aren't they supposed to be martian deathrays?

I do agree that the jetson ring is weird given that the weapon is flat not round. If anything, I figure the ring effect belongs on the conversion beamers.

I always figured volkites to look like pic

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So, what's the verdict on the Quaestoris Knight Castigator? Seems a bit expensive, but the model's so fucking good.

>>50466984
Nobody?
CAN NO-ONE TAKE UP THE CHALLENGE!?

Can someone please give me a rundown of what happened immediately following Prospero?

It was my ignorant understanding that when Russ "beat" Magnus, Magnus made a pact with Tzeench for his soul, and he and his entire legion were transported to Sortiarius. From there the flesh change began anew (from being in the warp and Tzeench fuckery), Ahriman casts the Rubric, Magnus gets mad and exiles him and those loyal to him. Begin 10,000 of angst and shit while Ahriman tries to get into the black library and fails. All before he and his forces rejoin on Sortiarius to attack the furries.

Is this right? Did the Thousand sons just fuck off after Prospero? Did they do anything else before the Heresy ended? When did the armor style change from normal to the crests? I know Ahriman repainted them all blue, so would rubric marines still loyal to Magnus still be Candy Apple Red?

>>50468684
Its kryptonite to tarpits and the chainfist terminator squad, which are both common anti-knight measures, but its lack of multiple ranged weapons to use to charge with and lack of the D to deal with Primarchs and similar tough customers relegates it to the medium-tier of Knights. Still an excellent LoW for legions if you build around it

>>50468688
Ok I'll take your challenge but since you didnt post a point limit I will only say this:

In order to use Hammerfell Strike Force properly you N E E D at least 3 dreadnoughts in drop pods, preferably Leviathans so you pack a punch and maybe 3 more units in Dreadclaws and you may ask why you need so much shit? Because the RoW has no way to manipulate reserves, limits vehicles on the board which means all your shit has to footslog which you should avoid because then why the fuck are you using this RoW for? and no way for your army to NOT come in pieces and trust me in pieces you will leave, so the pods and dreadclaws mitigate all this weakness while giving you something good on the board on Turn 1 to do some damage and make the most of the blinding.

Its a shit Rite, I fucking hate it because it could be so cool but its just a general downgrade unless you already have a ton of dreadclaws and dreadnoughts in drop pods.

>>50468688
Its trash, you can do it fluffy and have piles of warders and have fun doing so, but its trash, all its benefits are actually negatives in disguise. May as well play Orks vs Eldar in 40k if you're that much of a masochist.

>>50467562
If you stab someone in the heart with a rusty nail they'll die. And even if you don't get that stab, people with their guts dangling about tend to have their combat skills somewhat diminished.

>>50467833
It is indeed a volkite gun. How did you think it would look?

>>50468816
Why is it so good against chainfist termies?

>>50468725


Originally the Thousand Sons didn't make it to Planet of Sorcerers till after the heresy, new lore they ported there immediately. Flesh change gets Amp'd up and end of A Thousand Sons, Ahriman is planning the Rubric.

Next book, Crimson King, deals with the after math and what they are doing in the Eye.

That's about all we know for sure at the moment.

So, sadly, the answer to most of your questions is: We don't know.

>>50468725
You're pretty much correct in your chronology.
So far we know they joined in on the Wolf Cull at Yarant and took part in the Siege.
Many of them always had the Kheltaran crests, particularly officers, although those becoming the 'official look' is unknown. Consider though, that the Rubric changed people with, for example, tentacle arms, into normal power armour arms, and that Rubrics can restore holes in their armour etc over time, and I think you can take it as intended that the high crests on everyone is because of the Rubric.
At some point, marines loyal to Magnus *also* had their armour turn blue. This happened some time before the 2nd Rubric. It is unknown why; perhaps all of them got turned blue all across the galaxy when Ahriman made the Brotherhood of Dust blue (it was magically applied paint during a spell that linked him to all Thousand Sons, he didn't actually have everyone take a brush to their armour).

>>50468725
>and he and his entire legion were transported to Sortiarius.
The entire legion that was on Prospero were transported to Planet of Sorcerers (apart from special DONUT STEAL Khayon that is).

>From there the flesh change began anew
The flesh change was already happening during Prospero. There are many theories on why this is. My personal favourite is that Magnus had been rolling all of the TS perils roles during the GC but stopped as he did not wish for them to defend Prospero as they were.

>Ahriman casts the Rubric
Ahriman's rubric was after the HH. It used to be that way anyway. Not sure if it's changed.

Theres also the second Rubric which brings Mangus back together again after being 'sharded' for lack of a better term. This is sometime after battle of the fang in 32K.

> All before he and his forces rejoin on Sortiarius to attack the furries.
This is new and we dont know exactly what happens yet but we should by the weekend.

>so would rubric marines still loyal to Magnus still be Candy Apple Red?
The TS are run by different covens. There are many different coloured warbands that have been referenced in the past.

> Did they do anything else before the Heresy ended?
TS have very few named characters and havent had many big fluff events so its mostly just Ahriman and his crazy high-jinks. Mostly some mooks just get rekt by the SW every couple of thousand years or so.

>>50468725
Thousands sons used to be present at the Siege of Terra, so untill that's retconned they still participated in that. And in the old lore the Rubric and the change to the blue armour was before that (that Ahriman trilogy might be a good read but it really fucks up the timeline)

And they supposedly also were exterminating the SW alongside AL and SoH on some token planet, though the story about that only names them as being present. Could have been any other legion for how much there's written about them in Weregeld.

>>50468874
Deflagrate for bonus wounds, at s10 ap2 insta-deathing 2w, and its sweep-attack thing hits everything in contact with its massive base. Basically, you're giving everything in contact a hit, and theres a decent chance that that'll multiply into two wounds. Compared to how most Knights handle massed chainfists, they've got a good chance of dealing with everything thrown at them, and they are just as good against large units as small ones

>>50468933
Pretty sweet!

>>50468932
>>50468893
>>50468889
>>50468883
Thanks guys, I really appreciate it. Ive been building up my thousand sons force slowly for about a year and a half now. I have all of my vehicles ready, I'm just missing the infantry. I was just going to do 40k, but with the plastic kits out, I thought I'd jump into 30k too.

I ask mostly because I am planning on getting the new thousand sons kits and painting them red, so that if I need to have extra/special marines in either force I won't look mismatched.

Is this ok to do?

(The new flamer squads might even be amazing stand-ins for tactical support squad weapons)

>>50469185
I'd have no problem with it

though that might be because I'm tempted to expand my 40k Thousand Sons so I can play them in 30k as well. Can really use an excuse to get the new models because they're so ... hhnnnnggg

>>50469185
Yes it's okay. Remember that they are Your Dudes and you can justify most things you want to do with your army if you have too.

HH Thousand Sons strongly lean towards MkIV armour (so sayeth Jes Goodwin anyway), which the new Rubrics are based on.
I'm planning to mix parts from the new Rubrics with parts from MkIV armour for my veterans. Same with the Scarab Occult Terminators.

>>50468497
those are volkite russes not plasma?

>>50465198
Also impossible because thermite needs to be a powder to ignite, and even then you need a particularly hot torch.

>>50468203
(1/2)
>Slander. Are you Mortarion?
We have knowledge of legions running regular librariums and that's allright, it was Magnus' wish for unrestricted psykery what got everyone punished. Not for nothing Nikaea is also known as the Trial of Magnus.
>Most legions doing this. Before the end of the Heresy the DA, UM, BA, IF, WS, WE, WB, SW and yes the TS disobey Nikaea
With librarians, not with daemon-assisted sorcerers. And whilst the Lion was punching heads off to get to use psykers, Thiel was discovering new ways of killing daemons in melee.
>If the Emperor had acted on this information maybe he wouldnt be a corpse
The only reason why Omegon was shielded from the warp was because the Emperor kept him secret even from Malcador himself. The more people know about something, the higher the risk, and you want to tell the warp-killing secret to the guy who talks to literal daemons and unknowingly made a pact with tzeentch himself? No thanks.
>If the Emperor had acted on this information maybe he wouldnt be a corpse
And if Magnus had done literally nothing, which was an explicit order from the Emperor Himself, then nobody would need to sit on the throne, and no one would need to travel through the warp anymore.
Srsly, the Emperor has lived 30 000+ years, and the very same decade he entrusts the Crusade to his not-children they manage to screw everything up beyond repair. A single insignificant decade. The Custodes were right: Primarchs were a mistake.
>He let the SW live and lived himself. Besides it was Ahriman who defended Prospero.
Everything would have been avoided had Magnus stepped forward, told his legion he fucked up and had taken a lone ship to hand himself to Russ for either capture or execution. Some legionaries of [Redacted] legions were transfered to the UM, which means whatever those Primarchs did was gone with them.

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>>50469298
>which the new Rubrics are based on
Based on nothing, they're wearing mkIV exactly. Even the helmets are just modified mkIV.

And we know they used the stupid egyptian headdresses in the heresy. Since there aren't any mutations, they'd make for a pretty decent veteran tactical squad right out of the box. Maybe swap the heads for standard mkIV to look less 40k, but you don't really have to.

>>50468203
(2/2)
>In the end why not? The Emperor had rejected him at every turn.
Did he forget it's because of them this whole thing happened? Because he knows it, and he tells that to Lorgar, yet never mind, we're blue now.
>Its funny that you comprehend this yet still tak this on
It's funny you forgot the initial words of the comment you're responding to are "I'm not hating, I honestly feel bad for them".
>Like Magnus wasnt stuck in an impossible position.
He was. I literally said that! It's weird how you're a fan of the scholar legion yet your reading comprehension is shit.
>Magnus hubris didnt lead him to damnation and chaos, it lead him to the cliffs ragged edge
Aww fuck off, of course it did. Magnus' plan was to save the Emperor through the use of sorcery, therefore He wouldn't be able to say sorcery was bad. "See father? You were wrong". Tell me that's not hubris.
Also, you forced me to phonepost a long answer, fuck you. May your kid try to prove to you how easy it's to clean the house by activating the fire alarm or something.

The Thirteenth Wolf anyone?

Are the rules for castellax in the Legion Astrates book or do I need another book just to take a Praevian?

>>50469413
>>50469298
> mostly Mk.IV
Well shit, all of my 60 tacticals are mk.III.

I have 2 squads of 10 tactical vets in Mk.IV with the upgrade kits, a squad of volkite support the same, and all my squad sergeants are in Mk.IV with achean heads and shoulders.

But I guess my dudes are my dudes.

[Spoiler] I guess since my contemptors have crests, my normal dudes having them certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility [/spoiler]

>>50469471
Also Children of Sicarus

>>50469185
>>50469298
Both the Rubric Marines and Scarab Occult are nearly perfect for both 30k and 40k. The Egyptian aesthetic is established for both eras. But if you want them to be ambiguous (Pre-Heresy or Loyalist during 30k while also Chaos in 40k), it's easy enough to trim off the few Marks of Tzeentch and Eyes of Horus on the models without undoing any of their own aesthetic. That way you can have the best of both worlds without having to bust your ass with conversions.

The Sorcerers, however, are another story entirely.

>>50469560
>Well shit, all of my 60 tacticals are mk.III.
Youre fine, BoP alone has tons of TS MKIII

I've always wanted to make an oribtal assault world eaters army, since before 30k was even a thing. Would that even work? Most world eater lists I see are all big blob squads and apothecaries, who don't fit in drop pods.


Also, what is the best way of giving the marines from Calth/Prospero chainaxes?

>>50469565
>Sicarus
I want Cato Sicarius peeking out of the cuppola of a Sicaran tank, surrounded by Sicarian Ruststalkers on the planet Sicarus, and I want someone to comment on that particular scenario

>>50469655
People don't play that because WE rules are dumb and basically require their legion rites to do what they should do by default

>>50469655
>Most world eater lists I see are all big blob squads and apothecaries, who don't fit in drop pods.
Give up already, it's not like you could use teleporting 2W terminators, deepstriking Dreadnought talons, including Leviathans, or high capacity Kharybdis drop pods, which are actually cheaper than Spartans or Caestii. I'm sorry your dream is kill.

>>50469560
>>50469594
It's a bit shitty for them to be in MkIII, to be honest. I'm glad to get plastic MkIIIs, but TS vs. SW was a bit of a waste. Phall with IF and IW would have made much more sense. Then again, what would have they used for Prospero then, seeing that MkIV was used on Calth? Dunno, just sayan.

>>50469655
>Also, what is the best way of giving the marines from Calth/Prospero chainaxes?
the same way they gave marines from calth/prospero CCWs in the kit

>>50469406
>We have knowledge of legions running regular librariums and that's allright
No it wasnt alright. Nikaea expressly banned all psykers being used withing the legions with all librarians to be moved back into normal battle formations. Everyone just realised this was retarded and didnt listen.

>to the guy who talks to literal daemons and unknowingly made a pact with tzeentch himself?
The Emperor did tell all the Primarchs about the warp. He just didnt explain 'everything'. See Horus knowing about demons. I dont know why you brought this up however.

My point was that the Emperor did not use the information Magnus came to warn him about, which was a terrible waste.

>And if Magnus had done literally nothing
But he didnt know that, he had just seen Horus, the brother that the Emps had elevated above all others, fall to chaos. This was the same power that had caused Emps to sanction Magnus for just for a fear of suspicion of falling under. Do you not think this warning was justified? If it wasnt for Nikaea compelling him to prove Emps wrong, and thus Nikaea wrong perhaps he wouldnt have been compelled to warn him in the way that he did.

>they manage to screw everything up beyond repair.
Thats a lofty pedestal hes looking down from. Must be hard to smell the roses from up there.

>Everything would have been avoided had Magnus stepped forward
Magnus didnt know Russ was there to kill him and his legion. He thought he was ready to face the Emperors judgment but couldnt stomache Russ's wanton destruction. Magnus sat in a room until the very end. Russ's first action was to bomb then entire planet.

>Did he forget it's because of them this whole thing happened?
Erebus.

>Magnus' plan was to save the Emperor through the use of sorcery,
Yes and there he waited for the judgement of the Emperor that is until he received the judgement of Russ and Horus.

>Tell me that's not hubris.
I said it was hubris. I just said that only lead him to the edge of falling.

>>50468819
>In order to use Hammerfell Strike Force properly you N E E D at least 3 dreadnoughts in drop pods, preferably Leviathans so you pack a punch and maybe 3 more units in Dreadclaws and you may ask why you need so much shit? Because the RoW has no way to manipulate reserves, limits vehicles on the board
This. If it had at least the Teleport Assault rule and it meant Half+1 teleporting units arrive turn 1, like how Drop Pod Assault does, then it would be workable.

And besides, why are the IF the ones who have the teleporting-tacticals rite instead of someone else? Like the SoH, which have an in-built Proteus Explorator Web in their legion rules

>>50465379
Sanguinius.
Cirno.
Because they both have wings and are the smartest and strongest of all the Primarchs.

>‘I know, Ra. I take no umbrage at your questions. Think on this, then. I prepared them all, this pantheon of proud godlings that insist they are my heirs. I warned them of the warp’s perils. Coupled with this, they knew of those dangers themselves. The Imperium has relied on Navigators to sail the stars and astropaths to communicate between worlds since the empire’s very first breath. The Imperium itself is only possible because of those enduring souls. No void sailor or psychically touched soul can help but know of the warp’s insidious predation. Ships have always been lost during their unstable journeys. Astropaths have always suffered for their powers. Navigators have always seen horrors swimming through those strange tides. I commanded the cessation of Legion Librarius divisions as a warning against the unrestrained use of psychic power. One of our most precious technologies, the Geller field, exists to shield vessels from the warp’s corrosive touch. These are not secrets, Ra, nor mystical lore known only to a select few. Even possession by warp-wrought beings is not unknown. The Sixteenth witnessed it with his own eyes long before he convinced his kindred to walk a traitor’s path with him. That which we call the warp is a universe alongside our own, seething with limitless, alien hostility. The primarchs have always known this. What difference would it have made had I labelled the warp’s entities “daemons” or “dark gods”?’

-Master of Mankind

The Emperor did warn the primarchs. They just didn't listen. Why didn't they listen?

OK, anons. My first resin models are arriving soon for 30k Admech and I've never worked with it before, only been playing minature games for 5 months at this point.


I know the drill for plastic, but what extra stuff should I do/not do with Forge World resin, and whats a good glue for sticking it all together? I presume standard Citadel plastic glue would not cut it.

Also, does GW allow any 3rd party parts in an army in their stores? Want to add some Maxmini siege guns to Chimeras to make Ordo Reductor artillery, but I dont know whether that's going to be legal or not.

>>50470053
>ADB
Into the trash it goes.

>>50469997
Don't need to spoiler what's true.

>>50470053
Fuck off Carnac

>>50469681
Kind of what I thought from reading the rules.

>>50469743
The Karybidis is cool, not sure my wallet could support an army with several in it though.

>>50469804
Huh, I didn't know that, I've never seen anyone build them that way.

>>50470056
Use super glue. Also, make sure you clean all of your components with some warm, soapy water and a toothbrush before painting, to get rid of the mold release agent. You should also consider pinning particularly big components.

>only been playing miniature games for 5 months

Please tell me you're at least a decent painter. Don't you fucking dare ruin those AdMech minis with an awful paintjob.

>>50470053
Because all evidence from the other books shows his warnings to have begun and ended at "Warp is bad, mmkay."

Most notably, as seen in Horus Rising, he didn't see fit to explain to them that there were sapient warp beings or that they might be opposed to the Imperium's existence.

>>50470053
>BL
>ADB
Into the trash it goes.
Threadly reminder that GW has shown time and time again it gives no fucks about what BL writes and niether should anyone else.

>>50470109
I am reliably decent, and my paint job is fairly simple in terms of colours and layers.
I have a few boxes of 40k Admech to test and refine the colours on first, and this is going to be my first properly big project, so I'm determined to get it right. Time will be taken if required, and not a model is seeing the table until all of it is painted.

Thanks, presumably otherwise the glue + paint doesn't stick to the model either?

Local GW is entirely BaC/BoP players with mostly unpainted minis, so I kind of want to make a good impression. With a low model count army, I should be able to get it all done well or there's no point trying.

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>>50470163
>GW didn't give his BL army actual rules
>Twice

>>50470163
Stop lying.

>>50470302
It's true though. See the beast novels, where BL says all SoS die. And then only a little while later GW comes out, makes models and rules for SoS and decides to completely ignore the BL fluff, because GW gives no shits about it besides the fact it makes them money.

>>50470302
no u

>>50470323
>Laurie Goldstein getting blown out

Love it.

>>50470201
Release agent makes the paint slide off, or kind of lie on top like a loose layer that just crumbles or peels off when dry. Glue will stick, but there's no reason not just give everything a quick wash,
>>50470323
While I agree with the general point, there's nothing stopping a bit of fluff being inserted about the SoS being reformed from the rump they mention, or whatever, Beast Arises is in M32 after all. A they keep hitting us with, it's a setting, not a perfect story.
And I mean, If someone wants to say their SoS are a cadre that popped out of the Webway thousands of years later or whatever, they can.

>>50470359
>A they keep hitting us with, it's a setting, not a perfect story.
That's GW's idea, true. But unfortunately BL, esspecially people like Goldstien, don't seek to agree.

>>50470323
>where BL says all SoS die

They don't say all SoS die. It just says that that the Sisters disappeared about the HH and became a myth in the Imperium after the new leaders of the Imperium dismissed them.

The flavor of their rules shows that they aren't a regular force in the Imperium. They just pop up do their business and bug out. So it fits with their self banishment.

Try again, you liar.

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Headcanon is best canon.

Trying to make sense of the fluff whilst GW, BL and FW are all pushing their own agenda only leads to insanity

>>50470443
Shush, or no crackers today.

>>50470413
Except that's wrong. Beast arises series has the last SoS sacraficing herself to kill the one of the ork primes, in watchers in death IIRC.
And girlsname goulding himself claimed they all died.

It's an outright lie to claim BL never said the SoS died off.

>>50470443
nuh-uh, let me post six paragraphs of unrelated greentext then act like a smug cunt while shitting up the next four threads

I wonder if Carnac is actually Laurie and he does this as stress relief

>>50470443
Yis.

>>50470482
>I wonder if Carnac is actually Laurie and he does this as stress relief
It's highly likely. Though I doubt it's stress relief, more like he just gets that asshurt when someone denies BL shit fluff, and feels the need to legitimize BL by engaging in autistic arguements.

>>50470443
Out of the three separate but not settings we now have, I like FW's the best. Largely because of the Alpharius origin stories they throw out, and how the less false ones share a common thread.

>>50470476
>Except that's wrong

Nope. The last Sister of one group of Sisters of Silence that they managed to find. Please show me where in the novels that says that these group of SoS are all that there are in the galaxy. I dare you.

>And girlsname goulding himself claimed they all died.

That was a long whole before the Beast series was announced and he didn't work on the Beast series.

You continue to lie. stop it.

>>50470359
Bleh. OK, def. washing those, the Taghmata Xana has no use for greasy robots except for Magos porn.

How useful are things like Volkite in 30k? Surely they'd never get much done becasue everything is 3+ or 2+.

>>50470547
this group*

Long while*

Have any of you non-RG guys used MkVI parts from 40k sets on your 30k guys?

And what do you think more generally about equipping 30k units in MkVI wholesale?
Seeker squads make sense, but what about a Veteran Tactical Squad or Command Squad in ornate Mark VI armour?

>>50470476
>>50470547
>You're lying
>No you're lying
>NO YOU
Neither of you have sourced anything yet.

>>50470547
Oh wait, it's you carnac. It's not worth my time to try and fail to break through your mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance, I'll just let you keep acting like an idiot. Not right to shit up the thread fighting a battle that will never be resolved.

>>50470570
I've used quite a few plastic MK VI bits on officers and such. Great for making them stand out.

however I am Alpharius :^)

>>50469519
pls respond

>>50470597
Wait a second. You claimed that the last Sister in all the galaxy died, right? Give the quote that says that these group of Sisters were all there are in the galaxy. If you fail to do so, then the issue is already resolve. You lied.

>>50470586
He is the one who made the claim and now he being a coward and running away without proving it.

>>50470644
>He is the one who made the claim
You havent sourced your claim either. You cant take the high road here.

Have they released any 1ksons legion rules yet for the burning of prospero?

I'm currently torn between starting them or starting Iron Hands.

>>50470644
I already told you carnac, I'm not shiting up this thread. You could reply to me all you want, it's not worth my time nor fair to the other people ITT to engage you in an autistic debate. You'll get no more (You)s from me, no matter if you call me a coward, liar, or say that doing this means I lose.
Do all you want, I'm just hiding your posts after this.

>>50470665
What claim is that exactly? He said that GW ignores BL, I disagreed. He proved faulty proof and I called him out on it.

>>50470675
Anon, you know the flesh is weak, seeing as rubric marines became a thing. There's only one answer.

>>50470688
Shoo shoo. You already proven yourself a coward and a liar. There is nothing more to be said.

>>50470689
provided faulty*

>>50466208
When new Sisters of Battle hit it, then you'll have reasons to implement bits and parts from Sisters of Silence.

>>50470689
I was going to respond seriously but I saw this response here >>50470715

I can see now that you have a weak and cowardly personality and should not be engaged with.

>>50470738
>>50470703
Here even.

>>50470665
Different anon here.

You cant prove a negative. You can't prove something doesn't exist.

It falls to the person who made a claim to substantiate it.

The current claim is that a source claimed all the SoS died/where dead/whatever.

Prove that such a quote from a source exists. If unable to substantiate the claim, then it cannot be proven to be true.

>>50470760
He made several claims in his posts. Anyone of those could be sourced to prove the other wrong.

>>50470695
It's all a bit jumbled up.

Magnus is my favourite primarch and I love wizards.

But I like big robots and already have 4 Kastelans converted into castellax and prefer Iron Hands general aesthetic. I also love giving marines robot limbs.

I only really have time & money enough for a small 2k point army so I'm torn between an Iron Hands robot siege list with mortars, castellax (cheesy T8 castellax at that), tac blobs and vindicator laser destroyers OR some kind of wizardy fuck 1ksons list that would probably use Primarch's chosen.

But I read online that some rules to use 1ksons in 30k were coming with a white dwarf when Burning of Prospero dropped, has anyone got a pdf of them?

>>50470738
>>50470751
I have no idea what you are babbling about. One guy is running away. Another stands courageously waiting for a challenger.

Unlike that scum crawling coward, I provide PROOF. For example, The Admech codex references a character and plot device from the Priests of Mars series among other things.

The Dark Eldar codex mentions the events of the Dark Eldar Path series.

>>50470675
There will def be Scarab Occult Terminators, they've been around since the Great Crusade. Which are supposed to be great psykers. So expect brotherhood of sorcerer terminators at the very least.

>>50470560
Well, everyone gets saves against boltguns as well (ok, harder to make), but if you're taking a lot of volkite weapons in a mech list, those will stack up and people will fail, and then deflagrate comes in.

Anyone else annoyed with how Emperor never refers to the Primarchs by name, only by their number? I feel like ADB made him to detached to beings he'd shown affection to in prior lore.

>>50470809
If you take a Forge Master or even a Praevian, you can take some beep boops.
And 1KSons used beep boops.
Rules will def be in Feb, so either wait or work on stuff that would fit into both legions.

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>>50470812
If you want to talk that stuff please go to the 40k general. Kindly stop shitting up these threads just because you like feeling you've "won" internet arguments.

>>50470781
Again. What claim? This is my post >>50470413. It just says that thing he referring to does not exist in the novels. When asked to provide where he read it exactly, he went yellow on me.

>>50470828
No, nobody else is annoyed by this, it's just you.

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>>50470828
And yet in narration ADB explicitly referred to Ferrus and Emps and "father" and "son". The bloke can't keep consistency in his own damn book.

>>50470842
Nope, you said that GW ignores BL so I provided actual proof that they don't. Just to show you how it's done.

Now where is the proof? Give me quotes.

>>50470812
>Another stands courageously waiting for a challenger.
Carnac, are you related to Quentin or something? Nobody would describe that as what you do. Or have you failed to notice we call you a shitposter, use your name as an insult, and that every single general or thread you go to EVERYONE dislikes you. Are you seriously that autisic that you truly don't understand that nobody likes you, and that you contribute nothing besides lowering the quality of discussion, inciting anger, derailing thread and generally ruining any discourse which you involve yourself in.

>>50470859
The Emperor already explained why he allows them and others to consider that he is their father by citing Pinocchio. So what's the problem?

>>50470846
>Again. What claim?
Read his posts. It not hard to identify when someone makes a claim. Besides at this point I think you are samefaging.

>>50470865
Tl;dr
Skimmed it. No proof. Hid it. Stop wasting time and grab the quote.

>>50470859
hope we one day get rules for the emprah's ghost army

Get the fuck out of the general Carnac.

>>50470859
Well, that section is written in omnisicent narrator, not from the Emp's perspective.
Secondly, as I've said before, there's an 'out' if you don't like this.
The people E speaks of the Primarchs like that to are
a) Arkhan Land, who is perceiving the Emperor as the Omnissiah, the embodiement of detached science perfection, complete with a fucking lab coat.
and
b) Endymion Ra, who already has a dim view of the Primarchs and whom the Emperor is filling up with the conception of His ideals so Ra will be a perfect tool in his own way.

The Emperor already looks different depending on who is looking at him, and can control what they see to an extent, so there's every reason to take a reading that the people hearing him are hearing him say "Sixteenth" instead of "Horus" due to a similar/the same glamour effect.
He admits to being a laser-focused manipulator in the book, after all.

We were doing so well, anons. We'd actually got through a few relatively good threads.

Anyway, how helpful are Militia and Cults for filling holes in your army lists, since I hear they're quite bad on their own. There's a provenance that makes them Sworn Brothers with Mechanicum, so I was considering some convenient disposable chumps. Do the disposable units still count as scoring troops?

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>>50470863
I'm not even the same anon, I'm just tied of seeing threads go to shit with your bullshit. I can think of several examples from the End Times in fantasy I could go look up to get the pages numbers and that, but there's no point taking the time to do so because you just refuse to accept any evidence that beats you. I can't be bothered, I'm also not going to reply any more, so go ahead and feel proud that you "won" again.

>>50470859
I'm trying to remember all the instances of the Emperor referring to the Primarchs in MoM. I can understand post-traitor Horus, since that's like to crush a lot of good esteem you have toward someone, and it sounded like he didn't have a high opinion of Angron to begin with.

>>50470854
In that case, why doesn't it bother you?

>>50470892
>>50470878
Are you following the post chain? Let me direct you.

Dude 1 says that GW ignores BL.
Dude 2 says he is full of shit.
Dude 1 cites the Beast series as saying that all the Sisters are dead
Dude 2 says that's bullshit. It doesn't say that
Dude 1 insists that it's in there
Dude 2 asks for quotation
Dude 1 turns in a coward and flees.

>>50470931
Tl;dr I don't have proof so I will resolve to spewing bullshit. This is your last (You), either get your shit together or just go away. Your attention whoring is too much for me to bear.

>>50470896
It's too comfy here.

>>50470912

I'm considering taking some leman russes as friends and militia recon squads actually look decent for their cost but I feel like the force commander might just be a waste

>>50470956
>>50470971
Samefag

>>50470900
Alright here is a hint for you to get the truth. The Sisters of Silence are not affected by the Emperor's glamours. They see him for what he really is, an old tired brown man.

If there are sections where the Emperor talks to the Sisters of Silence, then you should review them because they were reflect the Emperor more truthfully.

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Stop talking to him. Ignore his posts, and discuss something else. He's already offered his dong to the dong hunters.

Now then, possibly on a new Mechanicum robot?

>>50470900
>He admits to being a laser-focused manipulator in the book, after all.
This is true. For all that he supposedly loves the custards and considers them his greatest creations and all that, what he does to Ra (not just at the end, but the setup over the whole book) is fucking stone-cold.

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>>50471020
>possibly on a new Mechanicum robot?
Do you mean speculation on what might be next?

Lambda-Zetas. DO IT, FORGE WORLD!

>>50471016
They would*

This raises a question....why would the Sisters of Silence be so loyal to a wrinkly and shrunken prune of a man?

>>50470956
This kind of wankery that Dude 1 and Dude 2 were partaking in is just a side point, that's why the discussion is lame beyond the fact that it was so poorly debated.
The point is
>why can I play with SoS models in times other than the HH
and the answer can be anything you can think of to justify it, like
>the dude saying they all died was wrong in universe
>they popped out of the Webway / Warp, for them (insert time of your choice) has passed
>they were ordered reformed by (insert Imperial body here)
or whatever the person wanting to field them without the player across the table fluff-sperging at him can think of.
>>50471016
Good idea, though I can't recall any offhand.
>>50471020
Cataphract is mentioned in loads of the fluff because it was the generic trooper robot, but we don't have an updated model and it seems to have been replaced by Castellax in modern fluff. I wouldn't mind a Cataphract, but then I guess that might clash with Cataphracti Termies in terms of naming.

>>50471020
I told you be quiet or there will be no crackers.

>>50471036

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>>50471020
>>50471048
Delta-Omegas would be cool, too.

>>50471016
I don't wanna be pedantic, but wouldn't the Emperor's psychic abilities to let him use biomancy to make him look however he damn wants, regardless of whether or not you're a blank?

On an unrelated note, I thought it was cool how horrifying Magnus' astral projection looked to normal people after hurling himself across the galaxy, and how simply talking caused it to mulch mortal brains and souls.

Which are better for sniper veteran tactical squads in a rhino?
Heavy bolters? Or Missile launchers?

I have havoc launchers on my boxes from 40k chaos, and either setup turns them into razorbacks for me. Are missile launchers worth the points over 4 additional rending shots? Should I take flakk missiles?

With bolters I essentially have a standard razorback, while with missiles I have a mini "scorpius" from 3 small blasts or 2 reusable hk missiles.

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>>50471020
>>50471048
>>50471070
Or Rho-Taus, but they're not as cool as the other two.

>>50470989
Yeah, plan was to have Leman Russ tanks and disposable conscripts do the jobs of Reductor and Thralls but better, while the Mechanicum brings truckloads of repairs, buffs and superb aircraft and melee along with the wondrous Anacharis Scoria.
DarkMech go well with the hordes of expendable 6++ saves.

Also, Castellax and Thanatar robots benefit posts from bubblewrap.

>>50471020
Are you saying there is a new robot or to come up with a new robot?

>>50471049
Why does the Pope and Dalai Lama command so much respect despite them also being wrinkly prunes? Or to use non-religious examples, Hugh Hefner, Ronald Reagen, or Winston Churchill.

Charisma isn't all psychic funsies, especially for a guy who's been around for almost all of human history.

>>50471048
Huh. They have the faces on Emps's armor too.
>>50471061
I'm sure FW could do something to avoid confusion.
>>50471070
Those daemons look screwed.
>>50471090
That's lacking to me.
>>50471098
There could be new robits, but I am always glad to see this general making something new. Show me what you got.

>>50471098

Thralls do the job of being throwaway objective grabbers better due to being fearless t b h

>>50471079
The part where the sisters perception is described happens when they are busy putting psykers in the Golden Throne. The Emperor was in immense pain pushing back against the breach that Magnus caused. I doubt he would waste energy just to look good in front of the Sisters.

To the Sisters, he just appears as a man. Not a god or even a imposing man. Just an ordinary man in great pain.

Are there any reading guides for the HH books if you want to follow specific storylines, like what stories and short stories lead to which? Because I keep losing track of characters because important events happen in short stories. For example, I was surprised to find out Nemiel was offed in a short story, and it seemed really abrupt for a guy who was an important character for the first two Dark Angel books. Or how Little Horus got cosmetic surgery in a book that happens between Scars and Vengeful Spirit. And Angel Exterminatus causes whiplash about Fulgrim if you missed Reflection Crack'd.

>>50471129
>This image, lifted from necro-cortial probe data retrieved from Word Bearers captured during fighting in the Thrascian Highlands, shows one of myriad Thallax loosed on the region by the apprentices of Magos-prime Usolkan.

>Where unaugmented troops suffered from numerous psychological deficiencies when facing the manifest denizens of the aetheric space, full battle-autmata were unable to process the anomalous existence of such creatures, and the cyborg Thallax proved most efficient in this brutal theatre of war.

Robots > Daemons.

>>50470842
Every time I see that Illic I can't believe that he considers Necrons the biggest evil in the Galaxy.

Necrons want just to reconquer their old turf and conquer everything else. And not every Phaeron/Overlord is a complete ass, but they are also not so friendly.

Not every Dynasty is like that one Dynasty that has Necron Warriors who are capable of thought (albeit limited, and in fact it is the only one such Dynasty), but not every is like the Maynarkh Dynasty and their Pharek that has a murder boner.

Chaos is simply full corruptor and omnicidal mode.

Hence Chaos > Necrons when it comes to the whole scale of evil.

Thus I don't understand why the space pixie fairy considers Crons worse than Chaos.

>>50471198
The End of Empires aka the Echo of the First Murder possessed multiple admech warbots at once, IIRC, and used them to blast apart their own side.

It's dumb using robots against daemons. They just end up being possessed by daemons since they are empty things

>>50471235
You do know that this is a 30K thread?

>>50471235
That's modern 'crons though, old 'crons just wanted to literally extinguish all life in the galaxy to get some peace and quiet, which is way worse.

>>50471214
>>50471238
Sorry, I deleted and reposted since I both missed a word and >>'d the wrong post.

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>>50471250
>>50471267
>>50471235
Take it to /40kg/ please.

>>50471250
Emperor's damnation.

Forgot that one.

Still couldn't help myself.

>>50471267
Yup. And everything looked like that the Old Crons would be the ones to win.

Not Chaos, not Nids, but them.

AND THEN 5TH EDITION WALTZED IN...

>>50471235
Chaos is no more evil than a wildfire or a small child. It doesn't know better. Necrons are willfully selfish and evil.

It's like the difference between Horus and Magnus. Horus didn't choose to be an asshole. Magnus choose to be an asshole.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist.

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>>50471300
This is bait.

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>>50471310
Show them your strength, robot. Do it for the Omnissiah.

>>50471141
True, might have about 40 thralls then use the Provenances to make essentially a Mechvet army with lots of russes.

Considering there's a big argument on the whole BL vs GW vs FW, here's how I like to headcanon it

GW
>barely ever comments on the HH, usually just in marine and CSM codexes. Usually this doesn't get in the way of any other fluff

BL
>tales of myth and legend of the heresy, told by unreliable narrators who heard the story themselves and embellished the details, sort of like how the mad max series works

FW
>similar to BL, events of the heresy told by an unreliable narrator, except this is all told by one narrator who was present at the many of the events she talks about, so in certain cases can perhaps be considered more or less reliable than the BL stories

This way it keeps a bit of the element of mystery that originally surrounded the heresy, and sort of lets me ignore parts of it I don't really like. For example

>the lion never really punched nemiels head off, just demoted him to a regular line legionary in an epic fashion, so as people have retold the story over the years it's gotten more and more extravagant until it's resulted in people believing he punched his head clean off his shoulders

>the emperor didn't really refer to the primarch by numbers, but as many saw him as a cold dispassionate character this eventually led to the rumour he didn't care about the primarchs

etc. you get the idea

>>50471330
No, it's true. The lore says that daemons cannot comprehend that what they do is evil or harmful. They think they are helping mortals and making their dull gray lives more entertaining and thrilling by sharing their gifts.

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>>50471384
Oh sweet, thanks anon.

>>50471365
I like this headcanon. It's probably the way the Horus Heresy fluff should be thought about, but people (myself included) often think it's all set in stone.

>>50465648
Fuck yeah IWs

>>50466649
>>50466623
>>50466409

You dumb fuckers just got trolled. I am an Iron Warriors player and still pissed about it, but FW has been as fucking clear as possible on this despite 1 dumb typo. They are elites now, it sucks but get over it.

>>50471292
Yes Lord Assholethep.

>>50471300
Yeah nope. Necrons are simply assholes, but they have their moments.

Horus was manipulated into the whole Chaos shit while Magnus was full Adam Jensen in this case.

The same with the Necrons, and indeed there are parallels between Magnus and Crons (not only in aesthetics).

Magnus never wanted to join Chaos while Necrons never wanted to be enslaved.

Magnus wanted to warn Emps, while Necrons wanted to simply defeat the Old Ones and it was all in order to not let internal conflicts rip the Necrontyr Empire apart.

Magnus and The Silent King are both tragic characters. One is someone who was forced into something he didn't want to, while the other regretted his decisions and went into a self-imposed exile...until he discovered the Tyranids.

>>50470900
>>50471036
>John Grammaticus was right all along

>>50470935
>and it sounded like he didn't have a high opinion of Angron to begin with.
Unsurprising.
>Come, Angronius, we must save the galaxy!
>Listen, asshole, I've got more important things on my plate right now.

>>50471048
Delta-Tau-Chi is only real choice.

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>>50470828
I'm not through the book yet, but far enough that I've seen some of that ("the Sixteenth", etc.).

I think I'm okay with it. They clearly got their names as they grew up on their Chaos-selected worlds, so from the time the Emperor created the embryos to finding their grown-up selves, he only knew them by number. The legions were also known by number for a long time.

There's a lot in the Emperor's comment that an empire can always be re-conquered, while the Webway project is what actually matters. It is - an empire that depends on the Warp for travel and communication will always fall apart when the Warp acts up. Humans will always be corrupted when exposed to Chaos, both spiritually and physically (mutation). That means the legions are a relatively minor tool. He needed them to build an empire with the wealth and technology to make His Webway project possible... and after that, Horus's fears of being disposable are starting to look well-founded.

That makes Horus's fall much more interesting, imo. The Heresy is now a revolt by a class of people who realize they're being used and the promised reward may have been a lie. (I don't necessarily agree - some legions were setting themselves up to be useful as bureaucrats or artists after all the wars were over, kind of like the samurai after the Sengoku Jidai was over.)

We often think of Space Marines as a central piece of the story, but think about it this way - on a historical timeframe they're still pretty new during the Heresy. A lot of the originals are still running around. If they had been discarded and then the Imperium went on to enjoy 10,000 years of peace before the arrival of the Tyranids, they'd be a footnote just like the Thunder Warriors. But they lashed out to avoid that fate. The traitors saved the loyalists from extermination.

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>>50470892
>hope we one day get rules for the emprah's ghost army

>>50471547
John Grammaticus is right, but it's also worth mentioning Slau Dha thought the Emperor was someone the Cabal could've needed to fight Chaos. So yeah, E-money is a bloodthirsty bastard, but doesn't stop him probably having the right idea.

>>50471547
I just wonder why Russ and Mortarion could get away with being obstinate asses when they were found, but Angron got treated the way he did.

>>50471611
Its humanity anon, you know who hates humans the most? Humans! Even if the Imperium wins there'll always be war and revolts and marines will always be needed to quell the human need for self-destruction.

>We will spend our lives fighting to secure this Imperium, and then I fear we will spend the rest of our days fighting to keep it intact... In the far future, there will be only war.

Sigismund is right, there will always be war.

>>50471638
Wish these guys showed up more.

"The ghosts of every marine killed serving the Empra" is a better story than "some guys got stuck in the warp in the 40th Millennium and are basically an army of edgy non-Sue Draigos".

Or am I misremembering the fluff?

>>50471638
>>50471696
Would love them in 30k.

>>50471571
Picture?

>>50471696
I like the idea of Legion of the Damned being the survivors of a douchebag chapter having to go through what is essentially purgatory.

>>50470912
>We'd actually got through a few relatively good threads.
>ADB writes a book on the Emperor
>Carnac (AKA "Girlsname Goulding", "Laurie Gouldstein" and "That faggot who ruined the HH") invades
What can /hhg/ do against such reckless faggotry?

Anyway, to actually answer your question, Cults can spam bodies to know end, but should be weighed against tech thralls carefully.
If you want "disposable chumps" tech thralls are better, if you want "disposable chumps who might actually kill the enemy" militia might be better.
Leman Russes are good and cool as always.

>>50471696
Their original fluff is that they're the Fire Hawks who contracted a warp contagion.
They've been made vaguer over the years, with at least one Ultramarine appearing as a member.

>>50470570
I'm planning on pivking up some mkVI for my Imperial Fists heavy support squad or seekers. Not sure which I'm using it for yet.

>>50471762
We remove him from existence(illegal), become BL writers just to troll him(time consuming and unlikely if he is one of the writers), or we just don't reply to him.

>>50471081
Sorry to self-bump, but I need an answer before it gets buried. I've got models ready to go when I get my mind settled.

Legion is 1ksons, so might have psychic prescience buffs, might not.

>>50470641
No

>>50471825
HBs, when you have the sniper rule quantity > quality of shots.

>>50469519
Castellax and all the other Mechanicum models are in the Taghmata book.

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>>50471711
The new fluff has several interpretations possible.

GW did very well on that one, at least for fluff. LotD aren't interesting except in Kill team where theybare very solid choice.
They basically did several posso le backstories and you choose the one you like, just like FW and the AL primarchs.

My little headcanon is that they've become the equivalent of the Emperor's daemons. As Mankind is slowly awakening it's psychic gene, they create a presence in the warp, through their faith in the Emperor, benign entities that sometimes, very rarely since they are still a small "portion" of the warp, gets out and help the material world.
However, as often with Daemons, their inception is in the material world. The fall of the Flam Falcons is what started them as those didn't want to just die like bitches. The warp storm in which they were trapped acted as a xonduit to the warp and tadaaa, you get your protecting daemons/angels that take the appearance of Mankind's greatest guardians and the Emperor's sons.
The fact that they're from the warp also justified that they popped sometimes BEFORE the end of the Flame Falcons as we're told in the dataslate, since daemons consider respect for time and space to be a thing for mortals.

Hence, technically you COULD have them in 30k if your friends are okay with this interpretation and you as well but beir in mind that they are still a very small (albeit very slowly growing) number.

>>50471732
It's still pretty good, my main problem with that narrative is that they are dressed up like they've got no connection to any chapter, and if that story is true, then it prevents them from showing up earlier than their disappearance.

>>50471766
>with at least one Ultramarine appearing as a member.

Of cooooourse....

When was this though? And did they explain how he got to be like that? Was he full-fledged part of the Halloween Marines or did his blue ghost just stick around to save his buddies?

>>50471825
Standard rule of thumb is that heavy bolters are universally worthless. Are you talking specifically about the armament on your Rhino? If anything, missile launcher should be fine.

>>50470900
If the emperor is presenting his words to his audience in a way that will line up with their perceptions of him, that does make him a manipulative liar, which doesn't really help the "caring father" narrative.

>>50471903
Ventanus, in that last McNeill UM book.

>>50471893
Interesting information, thanks.

>>50471777
I was thinking of MkVI for my eventual IF Seekers as well, given the nature of MkVI. Its "modernness" lends a unit that uses it a sense of being "the best of the best", or at least given a priority of armament by Terra.
If you haven't put them in Heavy Support Squads yet, I'd say pick a different role to outfit in Mark VI, unless pretty much everyone is using Mk VI in your army. Canonically the MkVI was made by the Raven Guard, so something "mass-produced" or "sturdy" like the earlier marks suits a support squad better than the MkVI, which would be better given to HQ, elites or "fast attack"/stealthy units.
Just my nitpicky opinion though; there's no canonical reason why they shouldn't be in MkVI (particularly during the Siege of Terra).
If you were to go ahead with it, there's some good MkVI heads in the Devastator box with eye-scopes on top of the helmets.

>>50471930
>Standard rule of thumb is that heavy bolters are universally worthless.
Even on Veteran Snipers?

>>50471893
That LotD novel was actually okay. The Excoriators fluff was not bad, a bit edgy, but there were some relatable things.
Then the LotD just turning up and curbstomping an entire Khorne planetary invasion was something else.

>>50471930
Hasn't it been said that Empy is so powerful that you see him the way you want to see him and basically hear what you want to hear?

>>50471930
Not the rhino itself, but the veteran's special weapons. 2 can fire from the hatch, effectively making it a razorbacks.

>>50471903
>When was this though?

The Chapter's Due.

>And did they explain how he got to be like that?

Not besides the fact he was 10,000 years dead.

>Was he full-fledged part of the Halloween Marines

Yes.

>>50471976
>The nature of MkVI. Its "modernness" lends a unit that uses it a sense of being "the best of the best", or at least given a priority of armament by Terra.
The problem with that is that no one except Corax and Alpharius actually liked MkVI all that much.

>>50471825
>>50471081
Razorbacks? There aren't Razorbacks in the HH lists. A Rhino with a pintle-mounted weapon (like a havoc launcher) still carries 10 men. Multi-meltas are a popular alternative.

Anyway, I'd take missile launchers. More versatile, and the FAQ means you need all the anti-vehicle shooting you can get.

>>50471214
>full battle-autmata were unable to process the anomalous existence of such creatures
I thought this meant Robots couldn't even see the daemons they were supposed to engage. I don't know how the Thallax were able to see them either, since they lack eyes and can only percieve things by radiation emission and vibrations.
Maybe daemons are noisy and emit lots of heat?

>>50472029
I think it means that they can't understand what demons are beyond another target to be engaged and destroyer, or process the implications of the existance of demons.

>>50471983
Novel was cool. It felt a bit weird to have a new successor 2nd founding chapter out of nowhere but I like the Excoriators fluff, especially the "every mark on the armor is repaired but kept and noted as a mark of honour".
It was a bit weird on the LotD sode though yeah. It's not exactly the fact that theh stop a whole invasion that bugs me, they're meant to be a "I win button" for Imperials, except they're not the ones that press the button and the button is almost never pressed.
What really bugged me is that the fagt that there's a spooky skeleto marine showing up at random in the book is not THAT worrying for the guys. Hell, there's a moment in the book where we're told the protagonist is not the only one to see it, others of the chapter have seen LotD marines watching them.
I'd freak the fuck out if I was them.

>>50472004
The Alpha Legion just wanted to rub more salt into the RG's wounds.

>>50472000
Now, 2 things:
1) It's McNeill, so you know that means fluff can be a bit shit.
2)Are you sure Remus Ventanus was a spooky skeleton marine? And not just your standard ghost from 40k, coincidentally accompanied by LotD?

>>50471365
This is a good comment, maybe the best comment. Why doesn't it have more (You)s?
What the hell is wrong with you people?

>>50472067
>I'd freak the fuck out if I was them.

Maybe you should confess your fears to that other marine with a skull for a face, your chaplain.

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>>50471048
DUDE
NOT-KABAN MACHINES
LOL!

I'd honestly be really pleased if they were somehow secretly derived from it's design.

>>50472067
This (mostly)
As weird as they're utilized the LotD are basically the Dead Men of Dunharrow IN SPACE.

>>50471468
>They are elites now, it sucks but get over it.
But that's a good thing. Your comment makes it look like it's a bad thing.

>>50472126
>Are you sure Remus Ventanus was a spooky skeleton marine?

Yes.

>>50472142
Because I only disagree very very slightly and I didn't see a point in saying that, the post stands for itself.

>>50471547
>>Come, Angronius, we must save the galaxy!
This is maybe the most optimist way I've ever read to describe an abduction.

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>>50471611
>A lot of the originals and Astelan are still running around
Fixed that for you.

>>50471714
Really, anon?

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>>50472004
It was still "newer" and more advanced than the Mark IV though, and the "principal legions" of both sides would have been given suits as they were required.

I don't imagine Rogal Dorn would say "nah, just give us the old model" to the Martians, and if you believe he would, then that's all the more reason for it to be given to the other loyalist legions.

As a general issue kind of thing, it didn't happen, but I don't think an officer with a taste for them would be denied the right to use them personally or on squads he knew would want to have the characteristics of the armour over others.

That's Perturabo-tier autism, who coincidentally was particularly opposed to MkVI, along with Vulkan, whose strategies wouldn't suit the Mark VI anyway.
Then there's the Iron Hands, whose tactics wouldn't suit either, and who have the additional trickiness of grafting themselves into their armour, meaning if anyone used MkVI it would be more likely to be "newfags" than in other legions.

But for Dorn and Guilliman, having the option to use this new semi-specialised variant of armour in their elite/specialised troops wouldn't be something they'd be likely to object to, and the Blood Angels and White Scars would seem to have this armour suit their needs quite well too.

>>50472179
>there's no time to explain get in the spaceship

>>50472065
I don't know. Daemons hunt based on soul-sensing, that's why blanks are invisible to them and psykers shine so much, however vehicles and robots can be posessed. Maybe it's the Machine Spirit.

>>50472156
I think it's more likely that artist was inspired by the Lambda-Zeta robots. But it's a fucking cool design so I'd be happy however it'd be put into models.

>>50472168
Awww seriously. That guy deserves more (You)s, yet you(they) better spend them on Carnac? Unvelievable.

>>50472179
No, that's before the abduction. Remember, the Emperor went down topside and asked Angron first.

He only abducted him after Angron refused.

>>50471930
>Standard rule of thumb is that heavy bolters are universally worthless.
>LaughingFirstLegion.gif
>I bet he even shoots bolts out of them

>>50472205
Having a soul and being essentially a mechanized vegetable with a deathraygun aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>50472250
>He only abducted him after Angron refused.
There's only one way of solving this (as opposed to avoiding it)
>Captcha is a street sign saying "one way"

Does the master of armor HQ choice allow you to take the armored breakthrough ROW or do you need an additional HQ?

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>>50472205
>Maybe it's the Machine Spirit.

I think it makes sense because in 40k everyone (even the marines who deny the Emperor's divinity) believes in "machine spirits", thus making them "real" in a general sense. Not to mention the use of servitors.

And IIRC the Kinebrach "anathame" weapon was constructed to be a Chaos weapon, and possibly the similar weapons used by other Chaos-influenced cultures pre-Crusade, meaning the makers of these devices perhaps imbued them with "souls".

>>50472296
It does say that Masters of Armour have the MotL special rule.

>>50472285
Doesn't newerfluff say that Emperor had already brokered a deal with the Nuceria's elite for immediate Imperial compliance, or that Angron's gladiator friends were closet Khorne cultists?

>>50472156
You see, when it's blue and gold it's good, and when it's bronze with red eyes it's bad. Color coded for convenienc.
Unless we're talking about 40k Thousand sons and Minotaurs, that is. Then it's a case of bad and nasty

Since the thread will soon end it's a silly idea but I'm going to sleep anyway so:
Anyone has received an answer for a Janitor's place? Since I know others here applied, and they don't tell you if you're not taken.

>>50472358
>Emperor had already brokered a deal with the Nuceria's elite for immediate Imperial compliance
Honest request, if I could see that quote I'd appreciate it a lot. But even then, fuck Nucerians, nobody likes them.
>Angron's gladiator friends were closet Khorne cultists
I think Erebus is a traitor man, but keep it between us ;^)
Also, kill enough stuff and you'll become a Khornate even if you don't know anything about chaos, right O'Kais?

>>50464528
So in Master of Mankind we met Arkan Land aka the 'Land' in Landraider. So he had a personal version that was as close as possible to the unmodified STC.

>Larger than a Legion Spartan
>Quad lascannons on sides
>Quad Volkite Culverns in a turret
>Heavier armor than a spartan
>Hover Tank
>Can carry several squads and a Contempter

How the hell would you stat that, how much would it cost and will we ever see a model?

Also what would quad Volkite Culverns do?

>>50472405
It just seems like Angron/E-Money's first meeting feels like a huge contrivance.

>>50472435
So its a hover Mastodon with different weapons, cool.

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>>50472435
>Also what would quad Volkite Culverns do?
Duh, double the shots and give it twin linked. That's what a Quad Lascannon does, as well as a Quad Heavy bolter and so on.

>Hover Tank
Obvs skimmer tonk

>Can carry several squads and a Contempter
I thought it was a Land's Raider, not a Land's S p a r t a n.

>>Heavier armor than a spartan
How does one even describe that?

>>50472453
That was that kiddo's first mistake.
You don't meet a warrior, you wage war alongside him. That's how you get an audience.

I mean, if Emps could go to a party with Russ I'm sure he could release the XIIth and the 10 000 to bleed alongside Angron.

Then again, Russ' party did end in Emps breaking his skull and leaving him out cold. Maybe Emps is quite the manipulator because he isn't as social as we like to think.

>Captcha is statues
That's new for me.

>>50472241
Thank you very much anon, I didn't post for the (you)s, I just posted it to provide some people with an alternate way of seeing the heresy and hopefully stop replying to carnac/goulding/kairos fateweaver

>>50472389
Remember when people feared the Hotpockets in HHG because they would delete you? When "fist for X" and "dubs pick my legion" would unleash his wrath.

>>50472513
I'm pretty sure somewhere it said Angron refused Emperor's help, but don't quote me on that. I honestly can't remember if that said in lore somewhere, or if it's just something from a dream I've had.

>>50472513
Im sure the Emperor just saw him broken and losing and simply accepted that Angron was never going to fulfill his potential so he just fucked off ASAP into the next thing rather than try to appease a homicidal bloodthirsty stubborn retard of a primarch.

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>>50472608
I do. I fear that Hot Pockets has abandoned us.

>>50472608
Fuck man, remember the daily reminder? I don't have it saved on my laptop, but if you wanted an instant 3 day ban that was what you posted

I posted it once and got banned, feel bad for the poor soldiers who were posting it daily in the war against the hotpocketmen

>>50472471

So only 48" S6 AP5 heavy 8 twinlinked Deflagrate?

>>50472471
>I thought it was a Land's Raider, not a Land's S p a r t a n.

Apparently Landraiders are gimpped versions of the real thing. They mentioned twice that it was bigger than a Spartan.

>How does one even describe that?

Apparently "Rare Martian alloys deemed too precious for Legion use"

So Mastadon AV values, some sort of advanced Machine spirit (mentioned several times), Super heavy skimmer, 2x quad las cannons, quad Holocaust turret, Extra armor, Ceramite armor/whatever that rule that the Salamanders have that ignores all extra AP abilities, probably a 5+ invulnerable.

It can carry a squad of Custodes, Land, his monkey, a squad of sisters and a Contempter so: 45 Transport capacity? Custodes are bulky and a Contempter is 12 right?

>>50472620
Oh yes he did refuse, I'm remembering now. But what I don't remember is the "Nikea agreed to be compliant if the Imperials solved their gladiator-rebelion problem". No srsly I honestly don't remember it. Maybe I did read it and I forgot.
Then again, the whole pdf was in a single spot, not even Alpharius could make it any easier.
>>50472677
Nuuuuuuu get down there and fight!
>>50472704
If I win I'm going to make HHG great again I guess I won't be able to shitpost anymore which by extension would make HHG great :^)

>>50472796
>Contempter is 12 right
10

I think Phil Kelly might have early onset Parkinson's.

>>50471976
Not him and a bit late, but you are paying 20 points in order to get either one or two extra shots per HBolter, whereas you get the same for half the price by bringing more vets, which will also be harder to kill. Missiles have the possible use of either IDing a PA character losing sevetar to a precision missile has made me fear them ever since, his lack of 2+ or a jetpack is horseshit or spreading four/five sniping shots via frag explosion if your enemy is bunched up, which won't happen much against intelligent foes. Buying more veterans is a much more effective way of spending points for the return you get than either option.

>>50472796
Note that the Contemptor had lost limbs and was basically dumped on its back in a corner after being squeezed in.

>>50472796
>So only 48" S6 AP5 heavy 8 twinlinked Deflagrate?
"Only"? You're insatiable, you know that? You could be arguing about Custodian Ha- *Custodian Glaives* not being AP2, you know?
>Apparently "Rare Martian alloys deemed too precious for Legion use"
Got it. Then it's AV14 all around, immune to Melta, Armourbane, Sunder and Lance. Any other rules which either reduce or permanently degrade the armour value or allow attacks which target it to roll more than one dice when making and armour penetration roll have no effect on it.
Except Haywire, of course. It's not a titan.

You see, we already have the above rule, forged from a "nigh-impregnable allow relic of Old Earth". We call it Cassian Dracos, the Dragon Revenant OH MY GOD WHY IS EVERYBODY SO COOL WITH CALLING HIM CASSIAN DRAGON THE GHOST DRAGON?!

>>50472796
So lets say a mastodon-alike LoW that can only be taken as a dedicated transport for Land (who would be pretty expensive already) in a loyaleeest taghmata force, AV14 all round superheavy skimmer with the achilles' anti-everything rule, 45 transport might be a bit much but 35 transport sounds pretty good, with a dread being 10, and the quad sponsons/turret. Since the mastodon is proven to be overcosted as hell, either give it a flare shield, a decent invuln or drop the price to like, uhhhh, 575 or so?

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>>50472471
>Land makes a mini-Ambull
>Claims it's a monkey
I'm on to you, Magos.

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>>50472809
I hope you win. Slowly and surely /HHG/ will achieve maximum comfort levels.

>>50472963
>Ambull
Isn't that a xenos man-bug, only Land's got it pocket-sized? He claims it's a monkey and yes, it's meant to sound like that:
>REEEE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50472435
>>50472471
>>50472796
I figured that part of the whole "transport capacity" issue was that he was basically transporting corpses at that point anyway.

>bunch of SoS and Golden corpses
>"part" of a contemptor

The hovering nature could free up more space since it requires a generator and the hover units rather than a track/engine//driveshaft?

Alternatively
>>How does one even describe that?
Spartan Assault Tank with Achillies-Alpha's Enhanced Ferromantic Rites and Excelsior's Aquila Aegis Field.

>14/14/14 5 hp 25 (maybe 35) capacity, 6++, ignores crew stunned and shaken, ignores melta and lance, reduces the effects of all rolls on the Vehicle
Damage chart caused by Penetrating hits (other than by
Destroyer weapons) by -1.

Maybe sprinkle on a Explorator Augry Web and Flare Shield to taste for that sweet reserves reroll/-1 enemy reserves/no infiltrators within 24"/-1 strength?

We're talking about Land's Goddamn Raider after all.

>>50472796
You would need land as well:
WS:3 BS:5 S:3 T:4 W2 I:3 LD: 8 5+/+4

Wargear: Fusion blaster, Cyber Familiar

Special Rules:

Pimp My Ride
Fuck you i'm Famous/RUN AWAY!
Pimp My Ride: Land may take Land's Raider as a transport choice even in games that would not normally allow a super heavy choice

Fuck you i'm Famous/RUN AWAY!: Land may take a Custodian squad as bodyguards. These take up no force selection slots. They form a squad with Land and may not voluntarily leave him. However in any combat where a moral test is taken Land must take a separate LD test at his unmodified value. If he fails but the Custodes pass he leaves the squad and acts normally. If the squad is in Close combat it immediately takes a wound. The squad may make sweeping advances without Land but must immediately move to rejoin him if not in close combat. Land may move normally, including away from Custodes attempting to rejoin him. If the Custodes enter coherency distance from Land he immediately rejoins the squad and no longer suffers any negative moral effects.

>tfw chastised by the legion's forge tyrant for making a combilas-volkite weapon and using it in battle

>>50472911
>immune to Melta, Armourbane, Sunder and Lance. Any other rules which either reduce or permanently degrade the armour value or allow attacks which target it to roll more than one dice when making and armour penetration roll have no effect on it.
It's Rare Martian alloys, not Living Metals, anon.

>>50473133
Although they don't ignore sunder/armourbane Enhanced Ferromantic Rites are literally the old Monolith rules.

>>50473133
>not Living Metals, anon.
Anon, I'm basically quoting what Cassion Dracos already has, which comes from archaeotech. Guess what Land majored in?

>>50473133
>Rare Martian alloys
>Rare
>Martian
>Implying it's not from the Void Dragon

>>50473282
>Guess what Land majored in?
Ancient Terran Biology?
Martian Geography and Navigation?

>>50472824
Huh, always thought it was 12 because a normal dread is q10 and is smaller. So 40?

>>50472852
That was during the retreat. It also carried it in before it was wreaked.
>>50472911
I was joking, that thing is a turret mounted Holocaust.

>Got it. Then it's AV14 all around, immune to Melta, Armourbane, Sunder and Lance. Any other rules which either reduce or permanently degrade the armour value or allow attacks which target it to roll more than one dice when making and armour penetration roll have no effect on it.
Except Haywire, of course. It's not a titan.

Sounds right.

>>50472940
>a dedicated transport for Land (who would be pretty expensive already) in a loyaleeest taghmata force

Land would be cheap, he is a total pussy who has nothing but a fusion gun. He would probably be an Imperial Agent.

>>50473057
Well the casualties took up more space than healthy guys, they cover more floor space. But even 30-35 would cover it.

>Maybe sprinkle on a Explorator Augry Web and Flare Shield

Well it would be kinda silly for the Greatest Explorator in Human history not to have a Explorator Augry right? Flare shield would cover the vague mentions of feilds and the -1 for penatrating hits makes sense.

Assuming that you need Land to take his Raider it would be about 600 points. Land can't be worth more than 50-75, he is a wimp.

It would be overcosted for most situations, despite the quad lasconnons and quad Volkite it's firepower doesn't merit that price tag. What you are paying for is a transport that will not goddamnitfucking die. It would be a pretty cool defensive choice, especially if he was an Imperial Agent instead of AM which is how he is portrayed.

NEW THREAD, BROTHERS AND COUSINS
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>>50473328
No! Archaeotech, emphasis on TECH! Which is why his archaeobiology is so...
I respect him as archaeotechnolgist, that's all I'm saying
>>50473378
Oh great, I like you like it
>He would probably be an Imperial Agent.
You think he'll get rules? I can't imagine those.

>>50473133
>>50473282

Seeing as it is directly stated that Land has access to forbidden technology from pre Mechanicum sources there is a very good chance it actually is Living Metal.

>>50473328
Pre Imperial Technology and Necrons. They come damn close to openly saying the Necron part.

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>>50471468
>They are elites now, it sucks but get over it.
nigger what
I was complaining about them being heavy supports
also
>elites
>bad thing

>>50471893
Love it, fund it.