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I built grixis control and have been having fun. Just the stock list everyone is running, I haven't seen much variation to it anywhere. I'm still learning, mostly having difficulty game 1 where I find it hard to determine when I should be aggressive. Once sideboard cards come in it's a lot easier due to the large amount of cantrips available to go through the deck.

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>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
pic related in everything
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Spicy pic related main deck in Tron
>Are you winning, son?
I Ghost Quarter'd two of my own tron pieces in a game to keep them from being hit by Crumble to Dust, then played pic related and milled a World Breaker. Felt good. Winning most of my matches.

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
Infect, playing more Ad NAuseam right now
>Stock list or spicy tech?
I don't run THE stock list but it's fairly standard
Run mystical teachings in nauseam, really great
>Are you winning, son?
Yup

>Playing expensive linear, uninteractive formats

>>50450338
This is not standard m8

>>50450338
It's quite paradoxical how formats where more fast mana exists lends itself to more interactive games

>that triple mutagenic growth at the world cup
the banhammer looms

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
Finally decided to play something other than infect. I built Mono Red burn and so far against infect and hatebears I have done pretty well.
>Stock List or Spicy Tech
Spicy tech is Magma Jet on end step
>Are you winning?
So far yes the real challange will be delver control varients, 8 rack, and twin sisters, and of course dredge but I have high hopes for this deck.

>>50451099
>all this salt about infect finally being competitive
its not hard to beat infect force sack and for discard is a easy win.

>>50451161
I play infect, my point is more about the fact that a turn 2 kill happened on camera at giant with a deck that people already think wizards might hit.

>>50451065
It's not the fast mana that lends itself to interactive games. It's free counterspells like force of will and wasteland actually policing the use of nonbasics.

>>50451357
How'd it win?

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>>50448585
>Whats your jam?

Lantern control. We tier one now baby.

>Stock list or spicy tech?

Fairly stock. I run the birds.

>Are you winning, son?

Pretty much every week. Need to focus on doing better at large events. GPs etc.

>>50451751
turn 2 might + Triple muta

>Jam
Affinity master race
>Stock/spicy
Pretty much stock, but I may run more ensoul artifacts than normal
>Win?
Barely

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>>50452092
>Affinity master race
Literally wewuzkings.dec.
Can't win a gp to save its life.
People will never stop playing bad decks.

>>50451751
On the draw.
T1 opponent
>Git Probe
>Inkmoth
>pass
T1 winner
>Git Probe
>Fetch
>basic Forest
>Glistener Elf
>pass
T2 opponent
>fetch
>Breeding Pool
>attack with Inkmoth
>pass
T2 winner
>Might
>Attack with Glistener
>Muta Growth
>Muta Growth
>Muta Growth
11 infect damage, opponent dies to SBA

>>50452092
How many? one? one might be too many.
Have you tried Toolcraft Exemplars and Dispatches and playing white affinity? I don't know if it's good but it's a thought. a 3/2 first strike for W might be worth your time if you're okay with it not being an artifact itself

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>>50452217
modern is a format where people will play what they have

>both turn 1 git probe
>one guy didn't just concede immediately
I'd have understood if he kept mana up and pretended he drew vines or some shit with his 1 unknown draw, but what's the point of even playing on when you know your opponent has you dead and there's nothing you can do?
Also git probe is aids

>>50448585
Spicy tech. Esper midrange deck. I'm doing well enough (about 55% win rate)
That I'm down to continue experimenting til I get it right.
Thoughtseize x2
Inquisition x4
Path to Exile x4
Thought scour x4
Snapcaster x3
Jace, VP x3
Lingering souls x3
Liliana of the Veil x2
Liliana, the last hope x1
Esper Charm x3
Anguished Unmaking x1
Cryptic Command x4
Murderous Cut x1
Tasigur, TGF x3
Gurmag Angler x1

I like esper Charm but not sure if it's necessary, might cut it for more removal, or supreme verdicts, or possibly some low curve counters like spell Snares or something.

>>50452563
55% win rate in what? your LCS, mtgo?

>>50452583
Xmage. I have the deck irl just haven't had time to play it yet.

>>50452217
I play it because it's a solid deck with zero drops and artifacts. Those are two of my favorite things.

>>50452494
Or couldn't he have held back and blocked? Misplay imo.

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>friend wants to sell some cards
>our lgs is closed,so we google another one
>drive there
>friend tells the owner he wants to sell
>if the cards you wanna sell are more than 5$, you gotta bring at least two
>you wanna sell? you gotta rip at least one
>even if they're foils
>"fakes are getting better and better!"
>mfw

>>50453061
>>if the cards you wanna sell are more than 5$, you gotta bring at least two
>>you wanna sell? you gotta rip at least one
>>even if they're foils
what the actual fuck

>>50450040
Is it just stock GR with Loams in the flex spots, or is it even spicier?

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
UW Emeria Titan
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Spiciest tech is celestial flare for the infect/bogles blowouts. Still havent gotten around to testing reflector mage but the aggro matchups are already so good...
>Are you winning, son?
my FNM is 75% linear aggro decks so... yeah.

>>50453277
>using strictly worse blessed Alliance.
>expects to be taken seriously.

>>50453444

It's not strictly better

>>50453444
I can target myself with it, so it's not strictly worse. What if I really need to get rid of one of my creatures with shroud?

>>50453444
>>50453474
>>50453488
TFW swing with sun titan into a fat fuck vigilant pro creature bogle for a reanimate trigger and they bite the block.
Flare won me that game, alliance wouldn't have.

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
Jund. I don't feel like building anything else.
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Kalitas and Grim Flayers still manage to catch people off guard some how.
>Are you winning, son
I've made top 4 at every local, including standard, for the last 6 weeks. I feel like my win streak will end soon

>>50453061
>Buy fakes
>Rip the real one
>Sell the fake more expensive because of ripping the other
>Profit

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>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
Knightfall
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Budget. The only actual money card is the Hierarchs. In dire need of those Voices.
Some mainboard Smiters because fuck LotV and every deck running them.
Running Thassa in a flex spot for spice. Nice alternative to Coralhelm that doesn't require the combo to achieve similar results. Also being able to be CoCo'd is nice.
>Are you winning, son?
Haha fuck no.

>>50453061
ITT; things that never happened

>>50453819
Got a list m8? Knightfall sounds like it might be fun.

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Will it get banned?
Yes or YES?

>>50454229
what the fuuuuuuuck

>>50454205
I'll have to update my old list. In the meantime, look up some of the pro lists. Personally I don't run the Coursers that they all include, because if you do combo out, you have to show your library inbetween each shuffle, which is just a pain in paper magic.

>>50454229
2BB
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.
You may cast a card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.

I'm gunna say no? good sideboard card for grixis control though

>>50454318
>wipe board
>free cast ancestral

Shit is fucking nuts

>>50454229
Fine with this in standard, could go Grixis or UB tower and go this into tower tap

>>50454340
it only really fits in grixis control though, and even then it's not worth main boarding. And if you suspended AV turn 1 you'd have gotten it turn 5, same turn you'd be able to use the cards from your free AV off this.

>>50454229
>BGX decks just keep getting better

selling out of standard right now desu

>>50454413
You hit that with Spell Queller
In modern, you can cast a LotV for free with it.

>>50454229
nuoh my god

>>50454205
Here it is in its current state.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-07-16-knightfall/

It is a fun deck, just make sure you're okay with combo wins (they can feel deflating to some people, even if it's your combo), and be prepared to actually run through the combo in a decent amount of time if it goes off. Solitairing helps.

>>50454229
So what decks besides Grixis control SB want this?

>>50454668
Thopter-Foundry/Tezzerator sideboard maybe?

>>50454743
That's not a modern deck

>>50454229
>Jund against affinity
>Wipe the board, free cast LotV

>>50454390
It fits just fine into jund, thank you very much.

>>50454792
I think K command would be a better free cast after wiping their board.

>>50455071
>shitty top deck
>in jund
I dunno

>>50452494
I'd have to watch it again but I don't think he had all four cards in hand at the time.

>>50453259

It's stock otherwise. I'm thinking about playing more World Breakers, Kozi's Return and Loams and ply a 'dredge tron' build.

For now it's 19 lands, 3 Kozi's Return and Loam. Crucible is 'fine' in that slot but I only want two land returning cards total and crucible can be hit G2 by artifact destruction.


2 Spellskite
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 World Breaker
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Karn Liberated
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 Kozilek's Return
3 Oblivion Stone
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Sylvan Scrying
1 Life from the Loam
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map

4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Sanctum of Ugin

Sideboard:
1 Spellskite
2 Thragtusk
3 Nature's Claim
3 Warping Wail
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Life from the Loam
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter

>>50455120
How is it a shitty top deck

>>50454668
Esper control. Works great with esper Charm. Wipe the board then draw 2

>>50455393
when you top deck it it's an anger of the gods that costs 1 more and doesn't exile.

>>50455447
is ajani blue white now or something?

>>50455447
>Dynavolt tutor
shweet

>>50455455
blue is probably just the color of the rebels for Aether Revolt

>>50455448
That doesn't seem shitty to me. Sure, it's less efficient, but that doesn't mean it's a bad card to draw.

>>50455447
can someone write out quicksmith rebel and/or scrap trawler? They're hard to read

>>50455515
but realistically this is a sideboard card. Any situation you're bringing this in for you either want anger of the gods or damnation over this. By what measure are cards bad if not being worse than the other available options?

>>50455557
Quick Smith is obscured, but likely lets artifacts ping creatures for their mana costs.

Scrap trawler:
Whenever ~or another artifact you control dies, return to your hand another artifact card with less converted mana cost.

>get super in to mtg for a few months
>trade and buy in to standard to get shitty budget mono green ramp deck
>destroy at some scg qualifier my friend wanted to go to
>overhyped
>upgrade it with new cards releasing in EDM
>don't go to a single event after 1-2 weeks post release
>now I have all these cards for a format I hate, despite loving the deck
>no time, money, or friends to go with

This is why I play modern; slow upkeep, slow collecting, and I can go once every few months without needing a new deck (because I don't play the latest memes).

>>50455682
Oh, and I can play the color blue.

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Quick question:
I want to build a Valakut Deck, which one is better (and if possible, more fun):
-GR Scapeshift;
-GR Breach.

I'm a bit more inclined to Breach since I own 4x Chalice of the Void, but I would prefer, if possible, an opinion of people that already tried both or played against them often.

>get out tasigur turn 3
>new wrath turn 4
>play Boom // Bust for free
new tier 1 deck coming through

>>50455725
Breach with a singleton scapeshift

Does any of the online mtg software work on tablets?
Not forge. Ai opponents are pointless

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Playing esper narset deck lately and it's god awful against dredge. I'm tempted to through this piece of shit in just to see reactions to a 30/30 assuming I'm not already dead.

>>50456282
LOL no trample

>>50456354
LOL obviously it's shit.

>no flying
>no trample
>no fucking keywords

I'm just going to keep dying to dredge.

>>50456403
RiP????

Running this list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-11-16-esper-narset/

I might swap out the Halo's for RiPs, but they help out in other matches. Maybe the Extirpate since we're already running double Surgicals.

What is with modern Nexus staff writers and wild nacatl?

Every time I check this site they're shilling a """new""" build of wild nacatl, tarmogoyf, hooting mandrill, snapcaster, and delver of secrets.

Does scg have a ton extra in stock or something? Why else would they pretend this deck is the new meta time after time, only to get proven wrong time after time?

>>50457148
That's only Jordan's posts. Because that's the archetype he likes.
You're kind of retarded

>>50455704
Blue sucks in modern, and UW Flash is the best deck in standard right now

>>50457206
You're probably right. My question is now why do they let a guy whose response to any meta game is to hoard nacatl write for their site? He's really bringing the quality of analysis down.

>>50457148
Counter Cat Illuminati

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>>50448585
I mostly play sealed and draft at an LGS that centers on modern and I'm thinking about bringing this budget 8 Whack deck. I'd find myself content if I win 2 of 4 rounds with it, but I wanted to know: what do y'all niggas think of it?

>>50457308
whats the rg card next to mogg war marshal?

you might like frenzied goblin

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>>50457351
It's Tattermunge Maniac. I'm sorry for the shitty quality. I'm actually buying the lot for about 40 USD from a dude that has retired. Including this sideboard.

>>50457308
It almost doesn't matter how bad you build 8whack, it still wins. That said replace the tattermunge thing with Goblin Guides, if you don't have those, a couple of Goblin Chieftans and Frenzied Goblins.

>>50457206
>archetype
This fucking WORD man. What happened to the word "deck"? Did people stop using it when talking about Modern because it distracts from how everything is a different flavour of aggro or combo?

>>50457474
>It almost doesn't matter how bad you build 8whack, it still wins.
heheh I like how that sounds. Yeah, this is a super budget list and of course Goblin Guides are a must on this deck. I would get them if I end up liking it. I will definitely get a couple Chieftains if I see them and the Frenzied Goblins too, just to try em out.

Scrap Trawler
3 (Rare)
Artifact Creature - Construct
Whenever ~ or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser converted mana cost.
3/2

E G G S
G
G
S

>>50457662
>B O L T

>O

>L

>T

>>50457682
>In response I'll sac it to Krark-Clan Ironworks and return Myr Retriever
>Use the 2 to cast Myr Retriever
>Sac Retriver to KCI
>Get back Scrap Trawler
If given free reign, I'm pretty sure there's some real degenerate shit you could do. If affinity creatures like Frogmite or fuck it, Mycosynth Golem, ever got near the field your opponent is most likely fucked in some way.

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So I'm trying to build my first modern deck and I was thinking about some variation of elves. I was thinking about GW but excluded horizon canopy and cavern of souls. Here's my list so far (I havent bought anything other than the pieces that are in most elf decks anyway):

4 Blossoming Sands
4 Collected Company
4 Dwynen's Elite
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Elvish Visionary
3 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
11 Forest
4 Heritage Druid
3 Lead the Stampede
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Stirring Wildwood
3 Sylvan Messenger

the splash of white is for the sideboard but I still don't even know if I want to run White or Black.

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MY FUCKING DI-
>Pro tour qualifier only

>>50458167
I want it

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>>50450040
>dredge, discard and LOAM
gets me hard...
need more combos

>>50455308
that is pretty and pricey

>>50457785
Myr Enforcer would come back into the main deck before Mycosynth Golem ever shows its head.

>>50455515
>>50458338
Noxious Revival is Reclaim but danker, as it can target goryos/dredge and also it's FREE

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I think this can be fun. give it a test play.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-10-16-naya-humans/

>>50459694
Looks fun, but besides spellskite it seems like there litte of protection

>>50459694
Has anyone jammed Amulet Titan with Hanweir Battlements? Seems like it would be better than Slayer's Stronghold.
Between that and Crumbling Vestige, Amulet resurgence when??

>>50459969
Beside getting 2 chumps I don't see the value in that

>>50460009
Meant the land that gives haste, not the creature (although you could run both if you really want to meld them)

I really want to try a Jeskai Tokens list, something like this, but likely better, this is just off the top of my head right now:

Instant/Sorcery:
4 Raise the Alarm
4 Dragon Fodder
4 Krenko's Command
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Thought Scour
4 Servo Exhibition
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix

Enchantments:
4 Pyromancer Ascension
2 Jeskai Ascendancy
1 Intangible Virtue

Creatures:
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Young Pyromancer

Land:
1 Mountain
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Steam Vents
4 Arid Mesa
2 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
B/W Tokens
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Phyrexian Arena as a 2 of
>Are you winning, son?
Last time I went I managed to split with the other undefeated. Arena actually paid off against an Affinity that ran Bomat Couriors.

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Would you support banning out Phyrexian mana spells entirely? It would help slow down the meta without making potentially horrible unbanning decisions in a bid to help out control

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>>50460825
you shut your whore mouth

>>50460825
Get the fuck out of this thread please.

>>50460825
This sets a terrible precedent, so no.
As troublesome as Storm and Dredge can be, I don't want to play a format where I need to worry about anything bearing those marks getting mass banned.

Because then it extends to other depreciated and troublesome (in terms of confusion, rather than balance) keywords like Regenerate, that WotC has already stated they will not be printing more of.

>>50460946
>>50460960
no need to get triggered. Taking out ((free)) spells would help make the format less degenerate

>>50460980
>he thinks Bloodghast and Amalgam will actually get banned too

Just stick to EDH, kid.

>>50460175
why only one Intangible Virture and 1 Yung Pyros? No Monastery Mentor?

>>50460980
Explain how the format is degenerate right now. If anything modern is more fair and creatures: the tappening then it has ever been. Currently decks that use phyrexian mana spells: infect, suicide zoo, jeskai aggro, storm; for a grand total of 16% of the meta.

>>50461025
Ascendancy makes all your tokens like mentor tokens, keeping the curve at ~2 also means you can more often hit 2+ spells on one turn and more likely to trigger and ascension if you have one. The intangible virtue might be increased, the ratio of token generators/free spells might be played around with(mana morphose might be something worth having). Like I said this is was just a quick thought experiment.

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>>50461005
>he thinks wanting to ban free spells is a dredge witch hunt
no need to get so angry you fucking child. Your safe space is over in r/magictcg


>>50461042
the format is ridiculously lopsided in favor of explosive aggro and combo, both of which utilize cards with phi's on them. Solving the issue by doing something dumb like unbanning jtms would only create an enormous pricing issue and piss people off while only edging modern closer to legacy

>>50461092
I like it but I would personally try a non-ascension version. The double ascension scour route is certainly feasible, but I'm imagining the deck with a focus on slamming down yung pz and mentor instead. I do like the idea of jeskasscendancy; however, I'm getting hot and bothered at the idea of mentor+jeskai charm.

>>50454571
Do you ever feel like you need misty rainforests?

>>50455725
kys
valakut decks are more cancerous than t2 kills with infect

I haven't touched this format in two years

I was on some kind of LoamPox Deathcloud thing. Is there anything like that being played now? How would something like this be in the meta?

>>50462669
Fuck yourself, it's a cool archetype and can't even win before turn 4, it's fair as fuck

>>50455455
Ajani has had blue stuff on him in literally every card he's been in, even the ones where he's RW and GW.

>>50456282
RiP. surgical extraction. Relic. These literally destroy dredge. You only have to counter a couple key cards too and they are just floating, doing nothing

>>50461042
Free spells, which most tier 1 decks utilize to full extent at the moment, are by definition not fair. Not giving two shits about what's happening on the other side of the board, getting p/t way ahead of the curve and killing on turn 3 is the exact opposite of fair.

>>50457308
>>50457308
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Guide
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Legion Loyalist
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Raging Goblin
4 Vexing Devil

4 Atarka's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Goblin Grenade

1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Copperline Gorge
3 Mountain
1 Stomping Ground
4 Wooded Foothills


SB: 4 Goblin Fireslinger
SB: 1 Destructive Revelry
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Grim Lavamancer
SB: 1 Gruul Charm
SB: 2 Pyrite Spellbomb
SB: 3 Rain of Gore
SB: 2 Shattering Spree

>>50462854
valakut needs to be b& again

Convince me to play esper transcendency over esper mentor.

Here's my mentor list
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-16-esper-tokens/

I want to squeeze collected brutality in there. Maybe even the new black card that got spoiled.

>>50463771
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-16-esper-tokens/
I think your best bet is to completely cut blue and Tasigur and play straight WB, more Sorin, some Gideons, maybe an Elspeth. The deck is really different but I think it's better. Here's a rough list.


4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Path to Exile
1 Zealous Persecution
4 Bitterblossom
4 Lingering Souls
4 Spectral Procession
2 Timely Reinforcements
4 Intangible Virtue
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

2 Fetid Heath
4 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
3 Plains
3 Shambling Vent
3 Swamp
4 Windbrisk Heights
2 Vault of the Archangel

it's 62 cards and 25 lands
maybe cut Zealous Persecution, a Thoughtseize, Elspeth/Gideon or a land. 6 CMC Elspeth is also an option but 4 CMC Elspeth can give Shambling Vent +3/+3. If you assemble all of your super friends you can have a 9/8 Flying, Lifelink, Indestructible Gideon, which may be reason to play more Gideon and/or Elspeth.

>>50463920
Thanks for the reply. Deck list looks cool. A little different to stock bw token lists which I like. I have played bw tokens before and though it absolutely destroys decks that can't handle wide strategies it folds to faster decks/counters.

And I feel like there isn't much tokens can do or some back from once the hate has been sb in. Maybe if leaned more towards Planeswalkers that could help.

I really like how the blue interacts with the deck. Dropping a couple tokens and having the remands ready can sometimes just be enough to win. Cantrips + mentor is just mean and left unchecked for a whole turn, will almost always turn the tide of battle.
Snap caster makes path eve better as well as things like zealous persecution (for 6 mana I basically board wiped and swung with an unstoppable force)
Turn 2 tasigur has won so many games. Like just that, a tasi on t2 followed by some counters and removal and it's gg.

But overall I like this token deck u posted. I have most of the cards from my previous token decks so I'll build it and playtest.

>>50464010
>>50463920
Oh I'd like to add that jeskai tokens will be my next project after esper.

Jeskai ascendancy/charm with a mentor/young p just looks like it's gonna be real mean. Maybe add a geist as a generic beater too.

>>50464024
You could try Mardu Tokens.
You get access to bolt, lightning helix, terminate, KCommand and young pyromancer with mentor still.

something like this

6 inqusition/thoughtseize
4 bolt
4 path
2 terminate
2 helix
4 bitterblossom
4 lingering souls
4 spectral procession
4 monastery mentor
3 young pyromancer
1 elspeth
1 gideon
3 sorin

I count 66 cards if you have 24 lands.Not sure what to cut here. But it's an idea. I have to go do things like make lunch and eat lunch. I'll be back later. Let me know what you think to cut/add.

>>50464072
Cut Procession and run Bob. Do you want to play Mardu Tokens, or do you want to play a good deck?

>>50454229
Seems ok. I think most of time I would prefer Anger of the gods. by comparison this only saves you 2 mana outside of something fringe like ancestral vision, cant be cast as early and doesn't exile.

>>50455725
As someone who played Scapeshift back when it was RUG id say Scapeshift because its a one card kill combo with all of the ramping you are doing in RG Scapeshift. Better than trying to put both Breach and Titan together with no card selection IMHO of course.

>>50464110
So I'm at this now

4 Dark Confidant
4 Young Pyromancer
3 Monastery Mentor
4 Bitterblossom
4 Lingering Souls
3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 Thoughtseize
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Lightning Helix
2 Terminate

4 Marsh Flats
2 Arid Mesa
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Godless Shrine
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Blood Crypt
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
3 Shambling Vent

24 lands, 64 cards
What do you think I should cut? Inquisitions, a land and a sorin? I see some lists with Soulfire Grandmaster and 4 Bolt, 4 Helix but iunno about that in modern.

Lingering Souls, Monastery Mentor, Sorin and Shambling Vent are the only cards that are CMC 3+. That's 10 cards excluding the Vents.

How good is monkey grow?

>>50461910
Nah. I only really want one to replace the Wooded Foothills, but it's never caused a problem for me. One of those things that can stand to wait for a reprint.

>>50463920

>It's 62 cards
>If you assemble all your super friends

You will never assemble your three one-ofs. You should not have posted a 62 card list.

>>50464687
It's fine. Just don't let your opponent play blockers with like 5 toughness or you'll probably lose. Try it out on xmage/cockatrice. Play 10 or so matches and come back.

>>50464687
It's as good as the pilot. I don't know what that other guy is talking about. You have burn and goyf gets bigger than 4/5

>>50465075
I did not say it was a final deck list. It's not. Obviously things need to be cut, which is why I pointed out that it's more than 60 cards. This is from a notepad brew I had laying around. Cut the two creatures. Use your fucking brain.

And on the super friends, it was more mentioning a neat thing you CAN do. It's not likely to happen with 3 sorin, 1 gideon and 1 elspeth in a 60 card deck. Tron doesn't always come together in a 60 card deck with 4 of each piece and 20 searchers/cantrips.

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>new tamiyo
>new chandra
>new thalia
Haha holy shit this deck.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/519042#paper

Can't believe the guy 5-0'd with it, impressive.

>>50466917
Turns out when you can play all your stuff a turn early it gets better

>>50466917
There's no limit, beyond time, to how often you can participate in a mtgo league. There's quite a few bad decks with a single win if you go look at the bottom of the decks page on mtg gold fish.

>>50467012
I guess that's true, but still.

>>50466917
T2 new Thalia could actually be decent. Maybe in an Abzan build like this

4 Noble Hierarch
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Grim Flayer
4 Lingering Souls
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Anafenza, the Foremost
4 Siege Rhino

1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

4 Thoughtseize
4 Path to Exile
2 Abrupt Decay

4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Godless Shrine
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Temple Garden
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Blooming Marsh
2 Shambling Vent
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gavony Township

Lingering Souls is definitely a 3 CMC creature

>>50454390
Esper control plz

>>50466786

You're not good at this game, dont get so triggered, check your ego, and get your shit together.

>>50468324
Thanks for the constructive criticism in such a nice manner :)

>>50468370
Lmao fucking baby

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
T1 Neonate, discard Grave-Troll, mill Narco, a Bloodghast and four Amalgams.
>Stock list or spicy tech?
Fairly stock. Destructive Revelry and Natural State instead of Nature's Claim because that life gain matters at least some of the time. Still rocking Rally over Scourge Devil because I main one Haunted Dead for the large amounts of blue control decks at my LGS.
>Are you winning, son?
Dredge pretty much stomps on control unless they can get a hate artifact/enchantment out before I've started doing things or resolve Anger and infinite 1/2 'deathtouch' flyers and 10/10 Grave-Trolls as originally intended is still just fine against control.

>>50469327
why wouldn't you mill conflagrate or a dredger over bloodghast, you won't be able to bring it back till next turn anyway.

>>50469367
Because I'm not as lucky as Tron players.

>>50469367

Because it gives your amalgams insurance

How's esper control

>>50468275
I like it.

>>50468314
I main esper control and can honestly say it's maybe a sb one of. Sure board wipe into visions sounds great, but that's a pretty ideal situation.

>>50471149
It's not bad. Stomps most fair midrange, jund and junk, easily. Does ok against the linear aggro/combo decks if you draw discard well.

But ultimately like anything in blue right now, it gets fucked by dredge. Viable in paper, not so much on MTGO.

4 Dark Confidant
2 Bitterblossom
2 Young Pyromancer
1 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2 Monastery Mentor
4 Lingering Souls

2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

4 Inquisition of Kozilek or Thoughtseize
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Lightning Helix
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Terminate
2 Kolaghan's Command

4 Marsh Flats
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Blood Crypt
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Godless Shrine
2 Swamp
2 Plains
1 Mountain
2 Shambling Vent
1 Vault of the Archangel

SB:
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
2 Duress
1 Dreadbore
2 Timely Reinforcements
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Slaughter Games


SB definitely needs tuning but I think this is a more solid place to start for mardu tokens. What do you think?

>>50454229
this shit is fucking insane

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>>50455427
>Esper control

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Well this is a silly duel.

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>>50472456
very, very silly

>>50471513
>Viable in paper

All I need to hear, any fun win-cons besides snap/colonnade beats?

>>50472681
One torrential gearhulk if you want. You could try dragon lord ojutai but he doesn't stabilize things so well. Possible Tasigur cuz he's 1 mana

>>50471780
What about intangible virtue? You have a few real creatures but most of them make tokens, plus lingering souls and bitter. Also if you have intangible virtue, you can run lord of innistrad Sorin and make his +1 make a 2/2 lifelinker vigilance creature

>>50454229

Grixis Control dude here. This borders on overpowered, IF the caster doesn't use creatures (Lantern crack rock fags included)

Yes, I'll unload a Kolaghan's command thank you

>>50473394

Holy fuck stop giving advice

>>50473464
>wipe the board and then draw 3 cards off AV stuck in your hand
Jesus Christ this seems irresponsibly broken

>>50473324
How's Jace VP?

>>50454229
So how do this and the spell you cast for free resolve? Like can I wipe the board and cast both halves of Ready//Willing to have my creatures survive

>>50474722
No, as soon as this spell resolves the other spell is put on the stack and each player gets priority. SBAs are checked and if the -3/-3 kills your dudes, they dead

>>50474722

State Based Effects will kill them. The major power in the card is if the player using Yahenni is in the asymmetry of creatures on the board.

Most decks use some creatures to win. If I, a grixis player have literally no creatures (except snapcaster) in my deck, it basically reads:

Fuck your opponent for Wal-Mart mana prices (buy ones and get one free too). I like 3, 4 for 1 bargain deals

>>50472681
gideon, elspeth, geist.

Friend of mine is going to an RPTQ this weekend with GW Tron.

What should he expect there?

>>50475957
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

Gee, I dont know.

>>50475957
>GW Tron
Is your friend Tom Ross? If so tell him to stop ruining modern

>>50476008
Hes not the boss, but hes been running Tron for a while.

>>50475979
If I wanted to google it I wouldn't have posted here.

>>50475957
Realistically I'd figure more Dredge, less Eldrazi, Lantern, probably 0 affinity, and probably a decent amount of burn

>>50476138
Tron does well against Dredge...right?

>>50476215
Maindeck Relic helps. Mostly the GW version is better vs infect

>>50476215
I'd pack 2 ugins personally, the white version does a lot better against single targets than wide decks

>>50473464
One thing to keep in mind is you can't kcommand a snap caster that would be killed by the board wipe, because it isn't dead when you choose kcommand targets. Works how you'd expect for every other grixis interaction though.

>>50448585
>Whats your jam?
Death & Taxes!
>Stock list or spicy tech?
It's pretty stock as far as I'm concerned. Eeking out a win by leveraging incremental advantages is the name of the game.
>Are you winning, son?
My WR% for Modern D&T is riiiight around 50 over the past year.

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>>50477013
>It's pretty stock as far as I'm concerned.
Well, what does a stock DnT list look like these days? Because I'm still on mono white.

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>>50477179
Thats pretty much it except that I'm on Thought-Knot Seer over Brimaz (4-of), mainboard 3 Revokers, split 2-2 on Selfless Spirit and Serra Avenger and 2-2 Splicer and Resto. I also run 2 Mutavault and 2 Cavern of Souls, no Canopy, no Castle, no Tec, 4 Eldrazi Temple and 4 Caves of Koilos.

I also run 2 Worship in the sideboard 100% of the time and will run 1-2 Judge's Familiar in the main from time-to-time to keep people honest.

>>50477344
I've played Worship is the board before, but never had much success with it. What MUs do you bring it in for?


Also, any Esper player who gets his Rev sniped by Judge's Familiar (or Cursecatcher) deserves to lose, to be honest.

I've never played magic before, where do I start? Are there recommended starter decks?

if I want to run Myth Realized in esper control, should I run Monastery Mentor and Clique or nah?

>>50477667
If you absolutely must run Myth Realized, Clique is better because it can potentially protect your Myth and also doesn't require you to cast a bunch of spells to be good

>>50477667
Don't run Myth Realized. The deck is marginal enough as it is, it can't support a lot of pet cards.

If you really have to, Myth and Mentor in a discard-heavy midrange shell will probably stay afloat for an FNM or two.

>>50477648
Jund.

>>50477778
I have no idea what that means

>>50471780
Get rid of bb, goblin, mentor.
Add the full set of young p and another 2 brimmy.
Job done.

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>>50477675
>>50477697
Just spitballing ideas of what to use to actually win besides celestial colonnade.

I was thinking maybe a Torrential Gearhulk, a Grave Titan, Batterskull, Sorin+Lingering Souls+Mentor for going wide, probably either 4 or 6 cmc Elspeth

Is it possible /tg/? Can we live the dream?

Land (22)
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Desolate Lighthouse
1x Ghost Quarter
3x Island
1x Mountain
4x Polluted Delta
1x Spirebluff Canal
2x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls
1x Swamp
2x Watery Grave

Instant (19)
3x Cryptic Command
3x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Remand
2x Spell Snare
3x Terminate

Creature (9)
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3x Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir

Sorcery (8)
4x Ancestral Vision
4x Serum Visions

Enchantment (2)
2x Possibility Storm

>>50478001
The classic wincon is White Sun's Zenith, but some people prefer 2 Secure the Wastes/3 Snapcaster. Gearhulk is also worth considering, but might affect deck-building more than the other two.

Either way you can also run 1-4 of Elspeth/Gideon/Baneslayer/Grave Titan in the sideboard for fair MUs.

>>50478001
>>50478193


http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-16-esper-tokens/

I have had pretty good success with this build.
Mentor goes absolutely bananas with a cantrip or two. Sorin + zealous persecution is an unstoppable mathematical mess.

You'd be surprised how many decks can't handle a turn 2 tasigur too.

I've also had a lot of success with the esper control list that runs narset and the Gideons. I'm new to control but I'd say this deck is pretty resilient and can handle a lot of early game pressure and late gams control.

>>50455725
Literally just switched to g/r scapeshift from breach titan. G/r is so much better because the deck doesn't get boring like breach titan. Plus cheat fatty into play and win losses it's luster after 4 fnm

>>50478470
how often do you see Sorin in your games since he's a 1-of?

I think I would personally go down a Murderous Cut go up a Sorin, but I'm bad so who knows

>>50478599
Because of the cantrips. He usually finds his way in somehow. I have been meaning to playtest a second one desu.

Myth realised is pretty neat too. But unfortunately it takes to much to get him going and tasigur just does the job better. I do think it's a fun and mysteriously powerful card.
Will be playing myth in frontier for sure

what exactly is tempo

>>50479204
At its simplest a deck with Delver of Secrets as the main wincon is usually what tempo is.
IE
T1: Delver
T2: Flip Delver, attack for three, pass, Remand/counter whatever they play.
Repeat this process ad-inifinitum until they are dead. You see you have like one threat and then keep your opponent from being able to assemble a competent boardstate until it is too late.

>>50479204
Tempo is making more efficient use of your mana than your opponent.

Tempo decks aim to play a cheap threat and then disrupt their opponent with cheap tempo-gaining spells just long enough for that threat to win the game.

In Modern that looks something like "T1 Delver, counter or bounce everything important you play for 5 turns, Bolt-Snap-Bolt for the win."

>>50476215
It basically comes down to getting Relics g1 and tutoring for Bojuka Bog g2 (you probably play 4 rips in GW since you have no way to find or stirrings for them, unlike cage/bojuka/relic/tormod)

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y' all grixis control players ready for some free AVs and Kommands with your wraths?

>>50479204
Delver is the most common form of tempo but it's trading cards to slow your opponent down. Remand doesn't take any cards away from your opponent but it slows your opponent down. Grixis Delver plays stuff like mana leak because it wants to quickly end the game. Most Grixis control decks only want to trade one-for-one or one-for-two and slowly grind out the game.

>>50479690
Inb4 doesn't kill anything that doesn't already die to lightning bolt

>>50479727
But this is a one mana way to Bolt the entire board. And if they have one big creature that survives, you use the spell to drop a Lilly and -2.

>>50480014
not in grixis control you don't

>>50477868
Cutting Rabblemaster I understand. Brimaz is in general better. Blossoms for Pyromancers, okay, Pyromancer isn't ever going to kill me. But why cut Mentor completely? If we're casting instants and sorceries, Mentor gets bigger and makes tokens that are better than what Pyromancer creates.

>>50480096
I have this exact deck. A playset of mentors too. As well as all of bw tokens. I have been working on this deck for a while. Mentor just isn't fast enough. We don't have the cantrips that can make him get silly. Bb only works with virtue imo.

I run mentor in an esper deck. He's much stronger there. Serum visions, followed by zealous persecution is gg.

I'm new to this whole magic thing and was browsing budget decks to look for anything fun and cheap to play and found this one: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-draw-you-mill-that-simple/

Is it possible to make that modern legal without costing me an arm and a leg?

>>50480702
24 Island
1 Blighted Cataract
2 Crush of Tentacles
2 Disperse
4 Engulf the Shore
1 Void Shatter
1 Negate
3 Clash of Wills
3 Press for Answers
4 Jace's Scrutiny
2 Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
4 Sphinx's Tutelage
3 Fleeting Memories
3 Startled Awake
3 Oath of Jace


This is from a previous standard but is probably better than that list. If you want, you can add UB duals and play stuff like Glimpse the Unthinkable

>>50480702
Why are new players so intrigued by mil?

And not really. UB Mill gets some fringe play and it's most important pieces, Glimpse of the Unthinkable and Ensnaring Bridge aren't cheap. The other pieces are dirt cheap for the most part though.

>>50480765
I think it's because it's a unique way to win where they don't have to think about combat.

>>50480765
I think that it's because it feels like you're "breaking the rules" by winning through mill instead of combat, and also because new players overestimate the power of milling random cards

t. player whose first deck was a mill deck

>>50480758
ty, will check it out

>>50480765
>>50480786
sounds about right, pretty much 'i dont just want to summon big guys to beat his face' and mill is just what i know does that.

can you recommend me some other deck-types in that direction?

>>50481043
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

>Infect
Uses a 1/1 for 1 and a 1/1 for 2 that's unblockable but deal poison damage instead of regular damage. If you have 10 poison, you lose, so the deck uses those smaller guys because they're low CMC converted mana cost and pump spells spells that increase the power and toughness of your creatures

>Jund
The name of the Black/Red/Green color combination and Jund has become synonymous with the version of the deck with Tarmogoyfs, Liliana of the Veil, Abrupt Decay, Thoughtseize, Lightning Bolt, Terminate and either Grim Flayer or Dark Confidant also called bob

>Dredge
Uses the dredge mechanic, which allows you to put some cards from the top of your library into the graveyard to get that card with dredge back from your graveyard and Prized Amalgam and Bloodghast to beat down. There are other things, but that's the gist of it.

>Naya Burn
Cheap 1 mana creatures and Eidolon of the Great Revel to beat down quickly along with a bunch of spells that just deal damage to your opponent, called burn spells.

>Bant Eldrazi
Bant is the White, Blue, Green color combination and uses Eldrazi creatures to beat down most of the time.

>Affinity
cheap artifact creatures and artifacts and Cranial Plating to attack with pretty large creatures quickly. The deck also has fast mana and some free creatures.

>GW or GR Tron
Green/White or Green/Red
the deck's plan is to assemble Urza's Tower, Mine and Power Plant, which together produce 7 mana instead of 3. Then you want to cast big dumb things, like Karn Liberated, Ugin the Spirit Dragon, World Breaker and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger. Green is to get to your lands quickly and red/white is for stuff like creature removal. You need to survive your first few turns because the earliest you can have tron the combination of Tower, Mine and Power Plant on the battlefield is turn 3.

>>50481043
part ii

>Suicide Bloo
fast creatures and Thing in the Ice + Temur Battle Rage

>Suicide Zoo
Death's Shadow and cards that reduce your own life total + Temur Battle Rage

>Valakut
There are two flavors, Through the Breach and Scapeshift. Scapeshift wants to resolve Scapeshift and put a whole bunch of mountains on the battlefield all at once. Through the Breach cheats Primeval Titan into play and gets Valakuts then the mountains.

>Abzan
the name for White, Black, Green. Similar to Jund, but with stuff like Path to Exile over Lightning Bolt and it has access to Lingering Souls

>Lantern Control
I honestly don't know what this decks wincon is.

There are about a million other decks. Either ask here or just google for it. I'm sure someone has played a few games on magic online and put the videos on youtube for the deck you're interested in.

>>50481240
Lantern is a prison deck that's gets its name from lantern of insight. The deck seeks to get lantern and mill cards in play with ensaring bridge, which prevents you from being attacked and let's you mill relevant draws from your opponent because you can see the top card of their deck.

The Jund gods will always reign supreme nerds.

>>50481240

>I honestly don't know what this decks wincon is.
Locks you out of the game then plays Ghirapur Aether Grid and pings you with all of its artifacts.

>>50481297
But what's its wincon? Milling them out? I've only played against it once and I was playing Tron. He did literally nothing. He milled a World Breaker once, which was cool.

>>50481240
>>50481217
damn son, thanks, will look through them

>>50481368

Right, slooooow and painful mill.

>>50461139
>something dumb like unbanning jtms would only create an enormous pricing issue

What the fuck how?

>piss people off while only edging modern closer to legacy

Why do we suddenly have so many 14 year olds on 4chan?

>>50481217
Big dumb things. Couldn't of said it better myself

>>50481368
Once they get the lock in place you usually aren't going to be able to draw anything or attack and you'll be eventually milled but I've found that nobody actually plays that out since most concede once you get the lock in place.

I don't play lantern but that's my understanding of how the deck operates a lantern player could probably go into better detail.

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>>50481346
What is a God to the Father of Machines?

>>50481377
NP. Trying not to be a dick because I don't want modern to die. Those are just the decks with the most tournament results. That's not even close to the full format.

http://www.starcitygames.com/content/decklists/

SCG posts the decklists from their events here.

I recommend starting on Naya Burn if you're playing on cockatrice/xmage and just hit their face every time until you're sure it's right to hit a creature. If you're playing IRL, no deck is both viable and cheap so i suggest downloading cockatrice/xmage and trying some decks out.

Also, watching coverage. SCG and Grand Prixs have video coverage for a bunch of events, as well as people playing leagues and putting them on ChannelFireball's youtube channel.

>>50481554
actually he's not a machine, he's a silver golem and would be an artifact planeswalker if wotc did planeswalkers with other types

Ugin and Bolas should be Tribal Planeswalker - Ugin/Bolas Dragon

>>50481562
>those deck prices
jesus fuck

I don't require tournament optimized decks, are there some that are playable while being closer to 20-40$?

>>50481625
Do you know what formats are played at your local store? EDH/commander is a great budget format but it's not super competitive usually

>>50481656
I only know that modern is played, which is why I've looked into that

I'll check tomorrow.

>>50481673
Most tournament ready decks come with very expensive land bases which there are alternative cheaper versions.

There's also bidhet version of decks too. As well as going to the china man for some sweet fakes.

Inb4 he'll get dq'd. He isnt playing at a tournament.

>>50481625

Here's some budget deck options

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

>>50477519
>What MUs do you bring it in for?
any wins-by-damage deck i can reasonably assume plays no answers for it post-board.
the amount of times i've scummed a match with 'no-blocks-activate-mutavault-go-to-damage-i'm-at-1' is more than i can count on both hands.

>Also, any Esper player who gets his Rev sniped by Judge's Familiar (or Cursecatcher) deserves to lose, to be honest.
Aether Vial on 1 is real

>>50481596
Never said he was a machine, an artifact planeswalker dies to the second most relevant removal there is, and no they shouldn't be.

>>50481673
If you dont know anything about a format/meta, then play burn. Its cheap and teaches you what you need to know about said format/meta.

As an aside, what happened to "Lurk more"? Any basic google/youtube skills would answer almost all your questions and more, with links to decks along with a bunch of other useful info. Like why mill is terrible for anything other than casual play

>>50477344
>1-2 Judge's Familiar
>Not mana thithe to be more smug

>>50481931
While I usually agree with "Lurk more," I felt like getting advice from people that play is a better option than googling, which I've been doing on the side.

>>50479690
probably selling out of modern if this one takes off unless the B&R update is really, really spicy.

i don't think i'd survive the rise in smug levels once 'wrath you draw three' becomes a thing.

>>50481956
While /tg/ is better now at magic then when the old saying goes, most people here are kinda bad at it. Plus it seems like you're not ready for a competitive format. Yes, it's expensive and there are better uses of your money, but if you're not able to drop at least 200 dollarydoos on a deck, then you should probably just stick to playing with friends untill you can save up the dosh

is there a card that's like Slaughter Games/Lost legacy that can name valakut?

inb4 butthurt, yes, that's why I'm asking

>>50481941
I can't vial in a Mana Tithe, though paying TWO for a Tithe through Thalia to gank their Rev or whatever might just make them ragescoop.

>>50482408
What if they just Rev for 14 instead of 15?

>>50483439
You know they're a good player when they Rev for just 8 because they need to pay for mana leak, spell pierce, thalia and judge's familiar

that'd be leaving 7 mana open to pay taxes

>>50483947
>>50483947
new competitive bread

>>50479204
tempo = time. a tempo deck aims to use each of its turns with maximum efficiency while attacking the opponent's efficiency. This is different from the other control strategies in modern which are attrition and prison. Attrition seeks to run the opponent out of cards and prison seeks to permanently make their cards ineffectual or uncastable.

Anons gave the example of delver. another example in modern is death and taxes. rather than a slew of extremely efficient instants and sorceries, d & t plays efficient creatures with effects that disrupt the opponent.
delver can "gain tempo" by countering a spell or removing a creature. in these cases, the opponent spent time and mana yet did not advance their gameplan or boardstate.
d & t plays taxing effects that constrain the opponent's mana. cards like thalia and leonin arbiter are backbreaking for decks built around low-cost spells and fetchlands, respectively. By putting such creatures on the field, you advance your board while making the opponent take longer to play their own cards.

each turn you buy is another attack step and if you get enough, you win!

at least, that's my view on it.

>>50482361
sowing salt
sadistic sacrament
runed halo

>>50481782
>Aether Vial on 1 is real
Real easy to play around

>>50480702
>Is it possible to make that modern legal without costing me an arm and a leg?
Yeah, just get into contact with the chinaman

I have just over $200 to spend on Magic cards that's burning a hole in my pocket. Put together a package of cards at that price I can buy on ebay or wherever else you can find them cheap. If it's good I'll post proof of purchase for everything on the list.

I collect for value but also play all different kinds of decks so either way you want to do it works. I already got offered a booster box of Modern Masters for $200 but I'd rather maybe buy some singles or playsets from that to fill out decks and get some other stuff instead of getting the full box.

>>50488478
...so wait, are you offering to buy people cards or are you just asking people what you should buy?

>>50488906
It's for me. I'm building my decks and collections back up after a few year hiatus.

Should I sell my Leovold Emissary of Trest now for like $30 or wait? I'm not using the fucker. I thought it was jank when I pulled it out of a booster.

>>50489502
Unless you collect legendaries, or wanna play him in EDH you might as well trade him off.
I suspect he will actually go up in price, as I don't see him being reprinted any time soon.