Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Should I keep my Custodes and get the Rolls Royce hover tank to make people hate me and refuse to play me or should I just sell them off?

Just finished Legion. Only I find AL reason for aiding Horus and this whole Cabal thing retarded?

>>50438094
Nah, other people do. There's a reason why Legion is considered to be the point where the series goes down hill.

>>50438094
No. BL made a few of the Primarchs into manchildren, but they managed to turn Alpharius from an armoured duck int something worse.

>>50438125
>into something worse
An armoured goose?

>>50438209
An armoured meme

>that part where Kane shoots some random mook just to send the others running
A little unnecessary man. Sure they were a little blasphemous but you could have just given them a mild mangling and hope that sets them straight.
>Once we have retaken our homeland, Kane thought, I will end you.
Didn't Land go missing in M32, and did Kane survive the Heresy?

Right. Xana army is now ordered for being ready for Xmas games, hopefully. This will be my first 30k army, and as my painting skills are somewhat better than when I started 40k a few months back, I am going to go all out on this.

So, as well as my Stormsword/Lord/Hellhammer/Shadowsword baneblade magenetised hybrid I will soon be working on, I want House Malinax to walk with the Taghmata Scoria.

Entirely torn on what knight to get/use.
Either a Paladin, Warden, Errant or Crusader.

>>50438094

Spoiler they betray the cabal after getting what they want and have no intention of actually killing humanity

>>50438094
>>50438120
>>50438125
And why is Legion always in the top X of Heresy books if someone asks which book to read?

>>50438485
So they understand the shit going down in other novels.

>>50438485
As a test and a warning. It shows the dropping point in quality of the series. Also it's probably a joke.

So most of my army atm is infantry and Contemptors. I want to pick up some armour this christmas but I'm not sure whatts decent. I'm looking at either a vindicator (of either flavor) or a scorpius. Any suggestions? Want something witth a bit of punch.

>>50438454
>after getting what they want
Eh?

>>50438552
5 predators.
Enjoy your new HQ and Troops.

>>50438485
because an equally large number of people want to lick abnett's balls

>>50438485
Because it's a good book, perpetual and cabal bullshit withstanding
>Before we go, let me say this: I understand the conflict in your hearts, how one may beat for duty while the other bleeds for your Legion brothers who will be sacrificed. But this is civil war. It is a time of confusion, and realigned loyalty. We have many heads but we act as one – one Legion with a single will. We are a union of the alike and the like-minded. We will not tolerate treachery. We will not allow our compact to fracture. We will not suffer the short-sightedness of our brother Legions, nor the averted gaze of the wider Imperium. We are Alpha Legion and we take the long view."

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>>50438209

>>50438562

The cabal was instrumental in giving the AL the Intel about the Emperor giving Corax the primarch gene mix.

The cabal wanted them to destroy it, the AL instead kept it for themselves and flushed the cabal delegate out an airlock.

>>50438703
>The hydra is in fact a dire goose

>>50438752
That is some fucking delusion you've got going on m8. You think the twins were shown the Acuity, showing the doom of all humanity and the entire galaxy, and thought "hmm, this is a way to get magic geneseed to make loads of marines, that's totally the most important issue here"? You seriously think that was the reason the Alpha Legion turned traitor?

>>50438835
Well not him but it's pretty clear Omegon's either a loyalist or playing the cabal

>>50438852
Well, yeah, it seems fairly safe that one of them is traitor while the other is playing at it. But claiming the opportunity to do the Deliverance mission was the AL's entire reason for turning is ridiculous.

>>50438835

Did you read Deliverance Lost? That's verbatim what happens after Legion.

The AL obviously mean to play both sides of the heresy to ensure their own survival, their agreement with the cabal was pretty clearly going to end in a backstab by one of the two parties.

>>50438942
Yes. The cabal tells Omegon he shouldn't give the primarch genedata to Horus because it'll skew the war too far his way, and he's like "no worries, we won't, this is for us alone". No actually disobeying of the cabal's orders, if we're considering what's "verbatim". Although he then threw the agent out of an airlock because lolhumanity.

The Emperor genuinely wanted what was best for as much of humanity as possible, and truly loved his sons.

>>50438835
Well that is what BL makes it look like.

Funny how every interesting plot that's set up for AL gets killed off alongside a character intergral to said plot.
>AL taking or not taking advice from alien cabal
>Cabal delegatus gets flushed into the void alongside any and all hints of the cabal

>AL civil war between the primarchs (bit far fetched with the whole one-soul-two-bodies thing but ok)
>Alpharius bites the dust, Omegon now replaces Alpharius and that's that

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>>50439104
>The Emperor genuinely wanted what was best for as much of humanity as possible
Sure
>and truly loved his sons.
I truly love this bait.

>>50439236
Nah, he's 100% right. Emps just considered the custodes his sons, not the primarchs.

>>50439104
Yes. Number 16 was his favorite out of all of them. He even referred to it as Horus.

>>50439236
Index Astartes showed how the Emperor loved Horus. I don't know why it would be bait.

>>50439255
Hey, you're right. On hindsight it's a clever truth then.
>>50439279
That used to be the case, yeah.

>>50439313
Nah it's still canon. Everything is to some degree.

>>50439104
not according to the new, retconning lore in the recent book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY6qGamu24Y

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>>50438010
Less talk about shitty lore, more talk about shitty games!

What's the most efficient way to build Thallax Cohorts?

What's the most efficient way to build Castellax Maniples?

Are Boxnoughts acceptable in 30k?

>>50439348
>Implying BL is canon
Shoo shoo spooky.

>>50439400
you can be in denial all you want.

>>50439394
>Are Boxnoughts acceptable in 30k?

Yes though they are outclassed by Cortus Contemptors but I still love the boxy fucks.

>>50439377
I'm not saying I just watched Liam Hemsworth get BTFO by Michael Cera...but I do choose to believe that.
>>50439451
Make Boxnoughts Great Again

>>50439377
Little white sprays.
BIG BLACK CANS.

>>50439348
>he treats BL as canon
>he lets Aaron "daddy issues" Dembski-Bowden and Laurie "has a girls name, gives lovers of old fluff pain" goulding tell him what is canon

>>50439451
>>50439482
>These damn Cortus Dreadnoughts taking hard working Castaferrum Dreadnought jobs.

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>>50439520
>When the Legions create Cortus dreads they're not interring their best.

>>50439482
Boxnought talons can take legion drop pods as dedicated transports, done

How useful will 2x 50 man Inducted Levy units be with Cyber Augmetics and Tainted Flesh? I want to use them in an Allied Detachment as a tarpit unit.

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I require pics of your sergeants, your captains, and your praetors for science. Also did you have a moment in a game that can be summed up with my pic?

>>50439002

The cabal crab made it pretty clear that if he didn't destroy the gene mix that the cabal would consider it a complete betrayal, which it was. Omegon outright stated his end game was a universe with the AL in control rather than one where humanity wiped itself out

>>50439798
Not so much a random mook running off, but dispatching Batman off from his retinue and killing a riptide, then making the two FW squads who were planning on gunning him down shit their pants and run away counts, then yeah

>>50439798
Usually my single Myrmidon Destructor with an Irradiation Engine against a unit of tactical marines

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>>50439798
My Siege Breaker

>>50439798

Dynat surrounded by 4 castellax and a magos

>>50439798
yarrick and ammoless manticore with his bolter destroyed charging a contemptor , preator and tyrant siege guard (we we're playing 30 vs 40k)
yarrick managed to wipe out the full unit of tyrant siege guard by consistently coming back from being dead 3 turns in a row but i couldn't damage the contemptor or the praetor

>>50440016
>Poor little blue guy

>>50438485
Because it's a good book with a crummy last chapter.

>>50440093
Like the vast majority of Abnett's work. Possibly with the exception of Titanicus.

>>50440182
double eagle is probably his only book I've liked all the way through

I still don't understand the love for gaunt's ghosts.

Fuck lads, I've got nearly 2600pts of WS, but I just got a major hard on for the custodes models

What do? I don't have enough money for two armies

>>50440286
take custodes as allies in your WS army?

>>50439798
The time my solo librarian wiped a squad of headhunters and a delegatus in a ZM game

>>50440182
Eh Prospero Burns' epilogue was pretty good

>>50440313
Hey, what happened with the hostage campaign?

>>50440300
Fuck, I completely forgot allies were even a thing

I feel silly now

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Im the original creator of this image that gets circulated around, and It's hilarious to see just how despised Master of Mankind is by the community at large for its depiction of the Emperor.

I'm only at chapter 10 atm so am undecided, but where I place the book for the updated version will be most entertaining indeed.

I also need to rank Sons of the Forge but can't be bothered to read it.

>>50440375
Good, because you should feel silly.

>>50440369
One of our players got quite ill and we haven't played in a few weeks, hence why I haven't posted anything about it, but I'll post a little batrep of my last game, WS vs IW

>>50440388
>I also need to rank Sons of the Forge but can't be bothered to read it.
it's kyme tier, I imagine

don't think too hard about it

>>50440388
Just create a Kyme Containment Tier off to the side or something.

I still don't think Angel Exterminatus deserves to be all the way down there, but what the hell.

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>>50439798
Here's my WE Praetor, don't have any war stories yet sadly.

>>50439548
Can Cortus dreads actually roll 3d6 for armour pen? Leviathan best dread

>>50439377
This is the greatest shit ever, I love Duncan and the new GW social team.

>>50440388
>legion in good tier
>mechanicum in acceptable tier

what you smoking boy

>>50440388
Just remember that not only does the Emperor's visage change, but what he says can change depending on who is viewing him. This simple concept explains away a lot of people's issues with the Emperor's early portrayal.

>>50440406
That's fine too, thanks. Hope his IWND kicks in

>>50440004
Nice.
>>50440016
How did that happen?
>>50440021
Sounds like Yarrick needed himself some prunes.

>>50440422
>roll 3d6 for armour pen
But that's its Str X grav bombard, thus averaging 11. Not anything too impressive.
>Skullbane
When I have offered your skull to khorne, then you'll have my permission to die.

>>50440422
Hey it's you again.

>>50440388
I only have two complaints about MoM. How Emps views the Primarchs, and how Abby's sword became so stronk after it was born from Easy E's dad's murder. I love everything else about it.

>>50440584
>people still not getting that the first murder wasn't Emps' dad

The first murder is described as the guy being stabbed in the stomach with a spear. Emps' dad was stabbed in the head

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Do you think the head on the right is a 'good enough' to be MkV armor?
Because that is the only head I can find in my bits box that will fit with this collared torso for my scratch build MkIII Apothecaries, and isn't screaming MkVII

>>50440425
Mechanicum was utter dog shit. The retard robowaifu and the Mary Sue just made it worse.

>>50440612
I really shouldn't read while having a busy day. But still. That daemon should have been born way before the first human murder, and I am well aware of how human centric 40k and the Warp is

>>50440641
Presumably he's only humanity's first murder, and each race has their own Drach'nyen?

>>50440422
Good to see Champion Gains painted up

>>50440641
How would the daemon of human murders would be born before the first human murder? Maybe in the warp, where everything happens at the same time yesterday-always-but-never Doc Manhattan style, but in realspace he was born out of it, nothing wrong with that.

Please tell me I did make myself clear, I'm not memeing. Not on purpose at least

>>50440584
Drach'nyen was born from the brother of one barely evolved human killing another with a stick. It's heavily implied to be Cain and Abel and the Emperor himself says it took place before his birth.

As for its strength, ADB basically says that symbol and meaning are very much relevant with regards to Chaos (this has always been a thing, they can gain strength through the meaning of symbolic rituals) and the meaning of the first human killing another out of malice was so significant that the Daemon was enormously powerful.

>>50440722
I think the problem is that he's called the first murder, not humanity's first murder

>>50440620
yep that armor is good enough to be MkV

>>50440748
>Xenos killing each other
That's not murder, that's community service.

>>50440748
I thought it was implied it was about killing humans on purpose by other humans.
>>50440741
Drach'bel and Cai'nyen

>>50440641
The daemon is symbolic to humanity and thus makes it powerful with regard to humans but that in itself doesn't mean anything to non-humans. I'm sure there's millions of daemons tied to hyper-specific Eldar events and actions that would be completely incomprehensible to a human, but just the idea that such a thing could take physical form would freeze an Eldar in their tracks. A daemon that represented Isha's first moment of helplessness would be a great and terrible thing to the Eldar.

>>50440748
It is still a human-given name though. The humanity part is implied. I doubt it would have the same name for other races.

>>50440489

4 castellax managed to shoot and then charge 9 tartaros termies off the board while Dynat wiffed his challenge and was last man standing, having succeeded his break test

>>50440406
WS & BA shattered legion vs IW-1250pts

No objective in this game, it was an all out annihilation game, the idea being that the white scars had caught the IW in a surprise attack in an attempt to kill some of their reinforcements headed for the main bulk of their force

My list consisted of a BA delegatus, BA terminator squad, A squad of WS weaponmaster vets in a rhino, and a squad of jetbikers. I was running PotL

He brought a chaplain, a Herald (first time I've ever seen one used), two 15 man tac squads with CC weapons, and 3 maxed out quad launcher batteries all with incendiary shells. I'll give you one guess what took out most of my list. If you hadn't guessed already he was running ironfire.

WS & BA TURN ONE
> I manage to sieze the initiative, and made my entire game plan "fuck up those mortars"
>Rhino turbo-boosts as far as it can up the board, and I'm faced with the choice of letting my vets weather out the storm safely in the rhino or risk it all and disembark them so I can charge next turn, end up keeping them in the rhino
>Terminators and delegatus walk up the board doing fuck all, out of range of hitting everything
>No point jinking jetbikes due to ignores cover on those incendiaries, so I move them up as far as I can and try to shoot at the mortars. Unfortunately theres no clear shot amongst the IW squads so I make do with what I have and open up on the Heralds squad.

IW TURN ONE
>this is where my game started to go downhill
>I was expecting the mortars to fire on both ther termis and the bikes
>fucking nope, 36 s5 blasts directly into my termis
>ends up being something like 60 hits total, I dread to think what would of happened if They'd had ironfire markers near them
>The genius of tactical dreadnought armour keeps all but 2 alive somehow
>but they fucking fail their leadership test
>immediately fall back off board edge
>both tac squads begin to move in to rhino
>32 bitter iron warriors, all re-rolling 1's in the turn they charge

pt1

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>>50440704
I could believe that. Abby presumably has been shortchanged with our Drach'nyen and there are probably stronger versions of it. Just imagine the Tau Drach'nyen. Wait I have just the thing.
>>50440722
Aliens have been killing themselves long before the Emps's dad knocked Mommy E up.
>>50440741
I can take that.
>>50440789
And where is it?

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>>50440788
>Drach'bel and Cai'nyen

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He [Arkhan Land] had been instrumental in designing the gravitic suspensor plates in Legio Custodes’ battle tanks, as well as their – rather beautiful, in his opinion – Paragon-pattern jetbikes.
>Paragon-pattern jetbikes.
We've got a name for them folks. So, Bullock, Scimitar (dickbike) and Paragon (pic related).

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>>50440620
There's pic related from the Tactical box.

Personally I used these ones:
https://megabitzshop.com/bilder/produkte/gross/Warhammer-40k-Bitz-Space-Marines-Assault-Squad-2015-Kopf-A.jpg
Because I felt the lugs on either side of the mouth were more important than the shape of the grill.

You could always use a MkIV helmet. At least in old fluff some MkV were given MkIV helmets when available.

>>50440860
Where is what?

Also I suddenly have a strong hankering for Chaos-corrupted Tau vehicles.

>>50440859
>3 maxed out quad launcher batteries
Dammit, isn't that like 48 blasts? Just asking, Incendiary or Phosphex? Those are vastly different thiings
>Herald
You got pics? I have an idea of what they look like, I want to contrast reality to my headcanon

>>50440879
It's MkIII armor, the MkV 'heresy' mark is just random armor slabs thrown together, so it makes more sense to see it on a MkIII suit than the supposedly hard to incorporate with MkIV helmet.

>>50440964
>Dammit, isn't that like 48 blasts?

36. 4 batteries would be 48.

>>50440983
>MkV 'heresy' mark is just random armor slabs thrown together

Take this may-may and die in a fire with it.

>>50440945
Never mind, Anon.
>Also I suddenly have a strong hankering for Chaos-corrupted Tau vehicles
I remember a thread where an Anon made a shop of what happens when a Manta and a Hell Turkey have a baby. But such a thing would never happen in canon as CSM don't even use loyalist gear out of hate for the loyalists, and the Manta would be scrapped down and used for a Decimator.

>>50440877
>tfw we're never going to get bullock pattern jetbikes from FW
>Wouldn't even want to be found dead in the same ditch as dildobikes.

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>>50440877
I thought those were pimped bollocks (kek). I was wrong.
I can't even imagine the different rules Bullock and Paragon jetbikes are going to get, if any. Maybe FW will avoid repeating the same mistake as with Terminator armour?
>>50440860
Got your chaos dose right here, anon.
>>50440867
;) Several times I wonder about daemonic true names
>>50440991
Oh right, only 3 rapiers in a battery.

>>50441017
From the FW MkV page
"s the galaxy spanning civil war progressed, new supplies of arms and armour for the Traitor Legions were heavily disrupted, forcing them to scavenge components from their fallen enemies."

It's just a hastily compiled set of armor, so lore wise this seems to be the only Mark of armor you can mix with any other and NOT have everyone sperg out. Thats what I am going for.

Ok, anons, you're probably sick of me talking about my Xana II Mechanicum army I'm going to build, but I threw together Babbys first Army List. Not ideal since I have no Thralls or any of the Reductor stuff I will probably eventually get, but it's my starting force.

2000pts Legio Cybernetica Age of Darkness

Scoria 315 pts
Magos Dominus with Machinator array and cyber-familiar 115 pts

2 Castellax, Bolt Cannon, Enhanced Targeting (240 pts)
2 Castellax, Darkfire Cannon, Enhanced Targeting (280pts)

2x3 Thallax, Destructor, Melta Bombs (165 each)

Lightning fighter, 2x 2 Kraken missiles, Servitor control, ground-tracking auguries (210 pts)

3 Vorax, frag grenades (210 pts)

Thanatar, Paragon of Metal, Enhanced Targeting.
Total 2000

Scoria outflanking with the Vorax. Feedback? Going to essentially be all the Cybernetica, them expand into Reductor.

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>>50440620
I'd say so. Also what kit is that head from?
I've been using pic related for my eeevil MkVs for my NL

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>>50441044
Seriously. You. May-may. Fire. Now.

I'm tired of going through this bullshit all the time.

>>50441085
It'd probably help if you posted a picture where people could actually read the text?

>>50441085
>As brother turned on brother during the Horus Heresy, suits of power armour became increasingly battle-damaged and unusable. With the Mk. IV not yet in full production, many Legions had to cobble together suits from whatever they had available. The Mk. V was the result. The suit featured older, bulkier cabling than the Mk. IV, which had to be housed outside the armour – a major but unavoidable design flaw. It also featured additional armour panels on the shoulder pads and greaves, which were held on by molecular bonding studs. The additional weight was considerable, making the suit cumbersome and prone to overheating.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/10/27/power-armour-through-the-ages/

>>50441077
It is from the SW pack box, you get two with each ten man squad.

>>50441110
No no, the chosen ones aren't supposed to read the text, only remember it. The original text was destroyed, never to exist in the material realm again.

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>>50441110
If you can find it, do link it, because I've been asking for anyone who got the limited edition SM codex to scan the cards, but nobody has bothered. This is the best I could find and it's pretty much a re-thread of the old fluff.

Seriously, if MkV is any comination of bits, why does it have an actual model? Why is it even called "MkV"? And don't try any of that "it was named after the Heresy", it wasn't. Power armour up to MkVII were all made and designated with their marks during the Crusade and Heresy. And why aren't any of these suits labeled as "MkV"? They're clearly slapped together suits of various components.

>>50441085
>>50441110
>>50441138
>>50441157
>>50441169
>When people forget the crotch stud rule
We've been over this.

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>>50441169
>And don't try any of that "it was named after the Heresy", it wasn't.
MkII was named after the great crusade, MkIII was named "Iron", MkIV was named "Maximus" and MkVI was named "Corvus". What was the official MkV's name? Please say it was "Bulldoggo"

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>>50441208
It was actually called ++Puffy Vulva++.

>>50441208
isn't it called heresy

>>50440859
Sorry, noticed a typo there, wasn't 32, can't remember the exact number but My etbikes took out a fair few of the heralds squad, and I completely neglected to mention my WS vigilator and BA marksman vet squad who were originally going to outflank


WS (and now no BA) TURN TWO
>shits hit the fan
>but the IW have left their mortars open for attack by my jetbikes (I think he felt bad)
>Engage operation fuck shit up
One volley of fire and a charge later, and one squad of quad mortars is gone
>as my delegatus is now gone, My vigilator is forcefully ejected from the BA vets, meaning he's now outflanking alone and the marksmen are left to come in from reserves onto my board edge
>fuck it, the madman does it, vigilator outflanks alone
>fires a scorpius shot into the chaplain squad
>please dice gods be a 6
>it was a 4
>oh well, random bitter legionary #246 is now dead
>marksmen come in from reserves, do fuck all
>rhino starts to weaponmasters disembark behind rhino, making it unlikely they will be charged but exposes them to the mortars

IW TURN 2
>one quad mortar squad opens up on vigilator, taking him out, other quad mortars take out marksmen
>this confirms in my eyes that all BA are jobbers, and that I will be selling them to feed my new love for custodes
>Herald squad break off and start heading towards jetbikers, chaplain squad continue to head towards weaponmasters

WS TURN 3
>you just activated my trap card
>rhino tank shocks IW ultimately doing pretty much fuck all
>it's veteran o'clock
>veterans charge in, power swords an glaive make short work of IW, but for some reason I decide to have my sergeant challenge the chaplain
>sergeant eats shit and dies despite have AA and a power glaive, unlucky rolls mean chaplain bonks him to death with power maul
>entire IW squad dead except chaplain and sergeant, they attempt to fall back but get FUKIN SWEPT BOI

pt2/3

>>50441208
Studded

>>50441053
>Going to essentially be all the Cybernetica, them expand into Reductor.
Then what are the Thallax for? Why not some Adsecublobs?

Mk V is shit.
Mk VI FTW

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>>50441267
Could we not have anymore armor drama? It's not that hard.

>>50441267
>>50441267
>Implying MkIII isn't best

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>>50441243
That's the point I'm trying to make. The image also reads
>The warrior is clad in the power armour CONFIGURATION . L A T E R . codified as Production Mark V
Meaning a) Several armours were "retconned" into MkV; and b) There were enough examples of "MkV on purpose" to be considered "Production Mark V".

All in all, what I'm trying to say is MULTIVAC ISN'T ABLE TO PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT ANSWER WITH THE AVAILABLE DATA
>>50441242
:^)))
>>50441259
I like this stuck

>>50441266
Thallax are eventually going to be mandatory Reductor troops. Next buy is going to be 20 Adsec, so I can have at least some numbers. At the moment z though, there what I get in the bundle.

Plan is that as buy #1, then some Myrmidon Destructors and their Triaros, named the "fuckyougrandpasmurf" and then more Adsec and Reductor tanks and Magos. That's long-term plans though.

>>50441138
>The suit featured older, bulkier cabling than the Mk. IV, which had to be housed outside the armour – a major but unavoidable design flaw. It also featured additional armour panels on the shoulder pads and greaves, which were held on by molecular bonding studs. The additional weight was considerable, making the suit cumbersome and prone to overheating.

How is it that every single suit across the galaxy, cobbled together from whatever was lying around, had these same features? It's almost like there was a design they were following. Almost.

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Ignoring the armor drama, let's try making 30k fluff for the Super Earth.

>>50441256
>>fires a scorpius shot into the chaplain squad
So, he moved and fired a Heavy round, loading it into his gun as he ran at full flanking speed, completely alone and in enemy territory? The madman.

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>>50441357
>5 times the mass

That means it must have 5 times the heretics!

>>50441357
It's chthonia, #16 lived their.
Let's make rules for the regenerating, ever-lasting super mice.

>>50441343
>How is it that every single suit across the galaxy, cobbled together from whatever was lying around, had these same features?
It's as if there was some sort of standarized template you could construct or something! Uncanny...

>>50440964
The herald was literally just the MKIII standard bearer from the FW kit

>>50441256
WS TURN 3 CONT.
>jetbikes shoot at and charge second quad mortar squad, but again shite rolls mean that ones still left alive

IW TURN 3
>perturabo would be proud, it was all a ruse, he wanted me to finish off his tacticals
>remaining unoccupied quad mortars fucking murder my weaponmasters
>IW tacs shoot at and charge my jetbikers, as it was going to be a disorganised charge anyway
>DO a fair bit of damage to jetbikers, meaning they have to fall back
>dont get swept cause, y'know, jetbikes

We called the game after this as it was mathematically impossible for me to win, he had slay the warlord, first blood, +2 VP for killing all my vets and termis and way more kill points than me

Got linebreaker though with my jetbikes, khan would be proud

All in all a really fun game, it was his second ever game with IW, I feel like he's going to take up the mantle of the bitter legion well.

>>50441390
How silly, rodents can't be a threat to any hominid, and are certainly not capable of higher planning
SHUT IT DOWN

>>50441384
It depends if has a heretical population.
>>50441390
I think we could probably use the Milita and Warp cults rules for that.

>>50441376
Something I noticed as well when I was typing it out was that I shouldn't have killed that random legionary, it was a snapshot, need to text my mate and tell him we cocked up there.

Not that it would of mattered anyway really, the legionary would of got fucked up by my vets anyway

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I want to paint SW in the old style of grey, brass, red and black. What would be a good cloth colour for the fatigues on Scout armoured models?

>>50441426
Yes-yes master, the man-things won't discoverfind us!

>>50441444
>denying the existence of heretics

That's what a heretic would say!

>>50441408
>>perturabo would be proud, it was all a ruse, he wanted me to finish off his tacticals
ALL ACCORDING TO BITTERKAKU

>>50441457
Khaki.

>>50441457
I'd say black or white

>>50441444
>it
Fixed. Also my five 4s confirm we can use the Milita and Cult rules.
>>50441472
I'm saying if the entire population are heretics.

>>50441402
But how can that be, if they were just pieced together from what was lying around...?

>>50441457
Some shade of grey

New White Dwarf anyone?

>>50441486
>It's as if all the technology available to mankind was controlled by a single organization that has an almost ritualistic approach to technology, and is the responsable of making each and every kind of powered armour used by the legions
It's a mystery
>>50441485
>(((if)))

Does anybody have any idea on how easy it would be to attach a volkite culverin to the B@C contemptor?

And while I'm on the topic, anyone got any cool conversions of the chaplain, I'm stumped on what to do with him, I'm think a librarian or siege breaker

>>50441527
I'm not saying there are no heretics I'm just saying there's not way to tell if the entire population have gone full heretic unless you go down there and see if they're mutating into vamperic super rat-men. Of course since it is probably Horus's homeworld it is probably full of heretics.

>Grandpa left me $25,000 in his will

What army should I start?

>>50441583
>unless you go down there and see if they're mutating into vamperic super rat-men
Gentlemen, grab your gear as well as your kniting kit and frozen donated organs, we're going down there.

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>>50441604
Do you have your eyes on a certain one(s)? Any of them stand out to you?
>>50441630
I'll bring some heavy duty gear just in case things get hairy.

>>50441574
Cut off contemptor arms from shoulders, cut off shoulder attachment piece from volkites, pin gun into shoulder.

>>50441604
fluffy, rapey, fast attack, high defense Custodes army when they get vehicles and throw an allied detachment of leviathan goodness in there.

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>>50440859

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>>50441480
>>50441484
>>50441489
Torn between 1 and 3.

>>50441685
Fair enough, doesn't sound too hard, what should I pin it with? Pretty new to converting as a whole

>>50440859
>weaponmaster vets in a rhino
>rhino
ouch

>running ironfire
>3 maxed out quad launcher batteries
>1250pts
woooooooooooooooooooooooow whaaaaaaat a diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

>>50441779
3 is slightly more universal of a color scheme, but 1 is more' SPACE, WOLF, ICE ICE ICE, YIFF'

>>50441779
I like 1, the white feels a bit fenrisian

>>50441779
1 probably.

Have you considered going full circle (pottery, as they'd say) and using "modern" blue as their jumpsuit colours?

>>50441827
The rhino was all I could take, their usual storm eagle ride was in the workshop (it was too many points and I always feel a tad harsh bringing a flyer at below 1500pts)

I'm friends with the guy and he told me he wanted to bring that many quad mortars, I agreed to it, I felt like it would be a fun little challenge. Strangely enough because of the way he played and the game turned out, Ironfire never really came into play as his quad mortars were always shooting at different targets to what he was trying to attack with his tacticals

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>>50441676
We've got a NL specialist to help with the organ cloaks bit.

>>50441884
>I always feel a tad harsh bringing a flyer at below 1500pts
vs
>3 maxed out quad launcher batteries

Dewd. That many rapiers is painful. Its nice you and friends agree to play things, but you need to take the gloves off when facing 9 fucking mortars. But I understand if it were in the shop.

2500 list
Rate my bullshit list.


>praetor-180
>plasma pistol, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo

>terminator squad+Spartan- 985
>4 extra
>8x LC
>SGt has Flamer, Power fist, Grenade harness
>Spartan dedicated transport
>Flare shield
>Armored Ceramite.

>2x tactical squads-590
>20 marines, vexilla, ccws, aa/pw sarge

>2x apothecaries-110
>AA

>predator squadron-325
>3xtanks, 2 las sponsons, 1 HB sponson

>leviathan-310
>flamers, melta lance, armored ceramite

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>>50441953
Perfection. Those filthy rats won't know what'll hit them.

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>>50439798
I am a huge fan of science, let me contribute.

>>50440584
The Afterword was biased shit.

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>>50439798
My SW Praetor.

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>>50439798
>>50442052
And a Sgt.

>>50442024
What's that guy in the far back's problem? Too many tubes? And is that a Cypher I see?
>>50442030
How biased? On a scale of 1-10.
>>50442052
Amazing work there, Anon. Wait a minute didn't you post one of your Corgis who had a Mohawk before?>>50442071
What a respectful wolf level.

>>50442087
Thanks Anon. I might have posted one of my Space Woffers with a silly haircut, yes.

>>50442024
>>50442052
>>50442071
Great stuff.

That SW Praetor is a top-quality conversion. So simple but gives the model's pose a totally different feel, excellent choice of face, excellently painted too.

Where did you get the head anyway?

>>50442117
Thanks, Anon. I aim to keep it simple and dignified. The head is just from the Grey Hunter box.

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>>50439798
picture of Chinesemund before getting Ravenwinged out of existence.

>>50442087
Both Sgts from the Tactical Squads are unfinished. I did not even paint the face yet.
Yes, that is Lord Cypher, the only character model released so far. Should make a nice Moritat or whatever.

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>>50439798
For science, every single sergeant or HQ model of my World Eaters.

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>>50439798

Alpha Legion Praetor and part of my fucking sausage finger

>>50442182
UGH YOUR DUDES LOOK SO GOOD. was that kantor blue or maccrage blue on the shoulders? and did you use st. duncan's guide or the fw recipe? I'm redoing all my dudes with the fw wash but I'm worried about making the white too T H I C C.

>>50442182
Top notch.

I'm interested in the fourth from the left and where you got/how you made the bases.

>>50442106
I thought so.
>>50442134
Whats going on with Siggy's helmet, and that green is a little too thick.
>>50442162
Is Cypher a moritat anyway? Think about it.
>>50442182
100/10 would rage with. Also I see Little Angron McJohnson on the far right is looking depressed.
>>50442184
Your blue is a little thick.

>>50442184
the color scheme is nice, but paint is on too thick.

Could a Legion Champion master-craft his meltabombs if he wanted?

I'm imaging him clamping on a very ornate golden meltabomb onto a spartan, and a legion serf crying a little bit as all his hours of work disappear in a big golden flash

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>>50439377
This won't make people any less gay for Duncan, that's for sure.

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>>50442196
Second sergeant from the left uses Kantor blue, most everyone else uses Alataioc blue, but in truth I've fucked with the recipe more times than I care to keep track of. The white's all just a couple of layers of white mixed with medium, usually over the FW wash recipe on a white primer. Here's some dudes I made more recently with that specific recipe.

>>50442212
Bases are just torn up corkboard and sand, with a bunch of drybrushing and a generous helping of weathering pigment. 4th dude from the left is the ultramarines legion herald that's been converted a bit; sculpted helmet plume, etc.

>>50442329
Okay, thanks.

Can't believe I hadn't heard of the Ultramarines herald. I like what you've done with it.

What function does he serve, and is the helmet 3rd party from somewhere?

>>50442246
>>50442273

It absolutely is, he was one of my first test models for this scheme so he had a few iterations with no stripping.

They've gotten a bit better now

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>>50442389
Praetor with a power fist and Paragon blade. Big ol' blender beatstick for when Angron isn't around.

I made a handy guide on how I made his head; it was really one of my first major forays into greenstuff.

>>50442564
Impressive.

>>50440388
>Laurie Goldberg ranked MoM as one of his favorite books.
Disgusting.

>>50440388
The Emperor should be depicted as little as possible, because he needs to be as inscrutable as possible.

>>50442564
>Instructions unclear, dick stuck in chainaxe

>>50442608

I skipped through parts of Master of Mankind.

>>50442854
was the chainaxe free?

There's a battle report up where Inducti were getting like 8 attacks on the charge, and rerolls, the other guy didn't know all their rules and went as white as a sheet when he saw the attacks coming his way and the FNP and Apoth on the other side of it.

>>50443018
His dick wasn't.

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>>50443018
>>50443243
...this event took a turn I wasn't expecting

>>50442608
A lot of people will who aren't oldlore fanboys. Goulding also ranked Path of Heaven on the list so he must have good taste as it's fantastic.

>>50443175

> PoorLittleLoyalistGuy.mov

>>50443175
They can get 5 S6 AP4 rerollable attacks at best. Dammit I wish Inductii were available with a non-Support Officer, imagine what Perturabo's Inductii "I punch like an autocannon" allies, whom he gives Furious Charge, would be capable of, now that the FAQ has erased krak-spam. I never said I thought about fair things

This also makes Gahlan Surlak pretty much an auto take.

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>>50439798
Praetor

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>>50439798
Jetbike Sarge

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Continuing the TS scheme experiments from a thread or so ago. Shading and highlighting first is the way to go. Here's the first layer still drying. (I did fix the spots I missed upon seeing this pics)

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>>50439798
And lastly my plasma Moritat that I will never field again

>>50443484
Huh. I could've swore they were getting more than 5. Whatever, I was idly watching it. One of their blobs did indeed have Gahlan. I'd never seen them used before, they were pretty sick.

>>50443584
>plasma Moritat that I will never field again

Why not?
And what was he like when you still used him?
(And was it necessary to put two plasma pistols on him?)

I've been considering putting one in a Destroyer squad for infantry raep.

>>50443628
i used him back pre-nerf.

One time he got off 35 plasma shots against a 20 man tactical squad and wiped the whole thing

>>50443531
I love that lance.
>>50443584
What did the Moritat do? Also why did you mark your Primarch's ugly mug out?

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>>50439798
The finished ones anyway.

>>50443628
Current Plasma Moritats got nerf'd way too hard. To the point they're the worst HQ choice in the game. Not worth the points. They were OP before but now they suck. If a shot from the the new Chainfire Overheat just generated wounds on a 2+ rather than stop BOTH pistols they would be acceptable.

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>>50443797
I feel bad about how they're making a great mini for that HQ, but its rules are now below garbage. Now, I can't find that picture, but you must take my word for it, it looks awesome.

>>50442087
It was a six.

He gave a disclaimer later saying he was biased and also that he normally writes chaos characters.

But I didn't like how he got the fucking Emperor whining like a bitch about hurr chaos won all is lost forever for another ten thousand years (totally random number guys). Good on the Custodian for pep talking the Emperor and telling him that it isn't over.

Of course the chapter was Him asking said custodian how He will lead humanity if he dies and then it got awkward for a bit.

>>50443584
Your Moritat looks like he's crying.

Why did you paint him that way?

>>50443899
Those are vents.

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>>50439798
Librarian, Praetor, Vet Sgt, Seeker Sgt.
At least that was the idea. The Librarian was inspired by Ctesias, the Praetor by Sanakht and the Seeker by Menkaura. The Vet Sgt. was going to be Arvida but I got carried away and, well, that happened.
Only the Seeker is near done, I'm considering stripping the vet, paint's too thick. The Lib and Praetor will possibly get more shit stuck to them I cut off the new Rubrics.
The Librarian's gonna get a scroll put in his wanking hand.

>>50443842
On the bright side of being filed away and forgotten the next time they tried to fight the Nids that way the hivemind would probably just have fireproof spores ready to go.

>>50443761
An elusive RGfag. Nice Beakies by the way.
>>50443869
>normally writes Chaos characters
Chaosfag has to Chaosfag, Anon.
>>50443899
Given the nerf that Moritat has reason to cry.
>>50443930
Why is your Praetor wearing a goat hat?

>>50443919
Oh, so the tears don't get caught inside the helmet? Brilliant design Martian Mechanicum 10/10 work.

>>50443654
>>50443797
Are Moritats not still useful with bolt pistols and volkite serpentas?

Imperial Fists Moritats could be quite lethal with the bolt pistol, I imagine, being BS6. Just fire away with the plasma or volkite until you miss and then mop up the rest of the unit with the bottomless bolt pistol.

>>50444307
BS6 isn't that much better than BS5, and volkite + plasma does do damage, but even less now that you can't even shoot more than 12 times, and certainly not as much as they did back in HH1, or the sensible update to avoid plasmaspam.
So much for "Deadly Deed"

>>50444487
>can't even shoot more than 12 times

Is this a hard limit on all pistol fire or just a statistic limit only on plasma?

>>50444533
Kek, lets just say that even if you do hit 12 times with an S5 gun, that's barely 3 dead regular ass tacticals, even with deflagrate.

>>50444588
Ah, 12 is the average for a regular pistol. My math-fu failed me at this hour.
Moritats are incredibly weak if this is how they are now, barring some luck.
The points would be entirely better spent elsewhere.

If I was good at maths I'd love to calculate how many shots on average one could get with two plasma pistols before failure, and what the chances of dying from Gets Hot with artificer armour are.

>>50444836
>Ah, 12 is the average for a regular pistol.
I thought it was give per pistol. You know, missing on a 1 each 6 tries, and that's assuming that one was rolled last instead of first, thus 10 being still damn rare odds, because a plasma pistol with the same generous odds would still be 3 dead marines, or 2 dead termies.
Just you wait till I remember how to calculate arrangement-sensitive odds!

>>50444836
Well mathmatically youll get 3 shots before overheat, so MAYBE 2 dead marines barring invulns

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>>50439798
Constantin Valdor and DG captain

Hey, Iron Warrior General, just how do I do an Ironfire list? By the time I have enough artillery to make use of the bonus I realize I'm That Guy. And the Hammer of Olympia is just weird. It doesn't make sense unless I take four Heavy support options, just what do I put in there? Also, we're 1/10th of HHG, reminds you of something?


>>50445153
That looks great

>>50445442

> just how do I do an Ironfire list?

You don't, because you'll absolutely obliterate certain lists while getting spanked yourself by certain others; no middle ground allowed. Hilarious fluffiness aside, it's hard to have balanced fun with it outside of special siege scenarios.

That doesn't mean you can't take Ironfire period, but be aware that just because you *can* take that much artillery doesn't mean you *should.*

>>50445476
>just because you *can* take that much artillery doesn't mean you *should.*
That's precisely the scenario I'm trying to avoid...So I guess I just don't?
Then how do I Iron Warrior? Like... vanilla marines who barely have a LA, especially with the FAQ, who leave less things to chance, like shooty morale or game lenght?

Oh.

>>50444307
They're not worth their points in equivalent units. By a long shot. Then the plasma nerf made them, without hyperbole, the worst unit in the game. Then they added 12 shots max to pour salt in the wounds. If it were just 12 total shots without the plasma nerf they would be good. Not amazing, not OP, but respectable.

The only good Moritat in this game is Kaedes Nex. With the update to PE and him not having Lone Killer preventing him from benefiting from RoWs he can hit all 12 times against a squad with an IC. Thanks to Precision Shots he may snipe out a sarge. But even with rending his guns are only S4 AP4, though rerolling 1s to wound too helps. What makes him acceptable is his special rule to get VP if he helps kill his Chosen Prey. So in a Decap Strike it's easy to get First Blood, Slay The Warlord, and Chosen Prey for a total of 3VPs turn one. At least two from FB and CP because he can hunt elites too.

All other moritats are, unfortunately, garbage.

>>50445553
How to do Ironfire without being a dick? Easy, pick your troop choice, personally I think Assault Marines are the best but to each their own, then for every unit you have you give them a dedicated Rapier battery of max 2 Rapier guns then add a basilisk or medusa. This way you have enough artillery to be useful and not drown your enemy in pie plates, another way would be to simply not use Rapiers at all but 3 Scorpius in your heavy support.

>>50445679
It's worth considering, and I've been eyeing Assault squads since they got their price skashed, thanks man.

>>50440620
So far as I'm concerned, any suit can be a MkV suit as long as you put enough studs on it.

>>50445571
I too, wish to know how many plasma weapons you can take in a 2k list, but in the 31st millenium.

>>50446158
Praetor, Pride of the Legion
2xVet Squasd with 10 combi-plasmas
4xTactical Support squads with 10 plasma guns

thats 2000pts and 60 Plasma guns.

>>50441031
> found dead in a ditch
> Every hole stuffed with dick bikes
The GW hit squad is coming for you anon. Shouldn't have bought those recasts

I have decent amount of warhammer 40k models, SM and CSM, is it normal ok thing to just try and convert their armor into older patterns?

Also are beakies acceptable for Horus heresy time frame?

>>50446300
Yes to both questions, avoid anything that looks like MkVII unless you play IF/BA/WS and even then dont overuse them.

>>50446313
Question about chaos space marines, if I were to limit the amount of mutations would they be decent WB?

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>>50446300
You can turn MkVII into MkV with some a bit of trimming, beads, and greenstuff. Ignore the paint job, it's a test model.

>>50446384
Crusade Era maybe. But full Heresy you could do some crazy mutations.

>>50439339
Nope, newer overwrites older.

Alan Merret and Laurie Goulding have shown their intention to retcon the whole thing since the Emperor does not love Horus or anyone of the Primarchs.

>>50446498
>Mfw they also retcon the Emperor's victory and Chaos wins.
>Age of Horus

>>50446576
Actually, the new lore hints that the Chaos Gods wanted Horus to lose. So I guess when the Chaos Gods had enough of beating on the Emperor and proving their point, they would withdraw their power from Horus leaving him open to be cut down by the Emperor.

>>50440388

MoM..... More like "ADB shoves his Chaos Wins Forever!" garbage down our throats

Considering Typhon is wearing Cataphractii armour, which squad would be a better retinue?
>Deathshroud
Gud 2W bodyguards despite WS4
Typhon's rad grenades help their faster-power-axes
All around Ld10 characters
Can fit alongside him in a Phobos
Take no FOC space
No more anti-tank
Their Tartaros armour feels like Indomitus when Typhon slows them down
>Grave Wardens
Invented by Typhon
Spartan DT
Chainfists for melee, their guns shoot krak
Also have tons of poison templates
They can Overwatch with poison and force disordered charges
Typhon's rad grenades make their fists ID bikers
Aren't slowed down by him

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>>50443556
Layer 2, corrected for massive file size

>>50446685
>corrected for massive file size
Thank you.
Woah, that's a red model with a sweet axe and hugely adornet helmet. I wonder how would KA feel when he knows he's being out-Khorned by some psykers.
I'm sorry if it's not the kind of comment you were expecting, it's a great mini all in all.

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>>50446669
They're small plastic or glass beads, about the size of nonpareils. You should be able to locate them at a local craft store where they have jewelry and/or cloth decorating materials. That box (which contains at least a thousand of the little fuckers or more) only cost $2. There are slight variations in their sizes, but they're close enough that they'll pass inspection unless someone gets really close.

Beyond that, I'd just suggest using a hand-drill with the smallest bit you have to create indents for the beads to sit in on the armor. I'd also fasten them with something even slightly sticky like diluted white glue to hold them in place til you start painting.

Its cheap, relatively fast, and easy to do.

pic unrelated, just another WIP

What is and how do I represent Scoria's Xanathite Abeyant lads?

>>50447174
Something freaky enough to be the personal pope-mobile of the second-most influential darkmech dude. Whatever yo want, basically

>>50444047
Its how they compensate for the tabletop situation.

I can't blame him too much. Sometimes I just wish there were more references to other timelines and alternate futures from some ordos chronos shenanigans or some crazy warp malfunction. I really just want to hear about a different universe where the Emperor there succeeded and humanity is more united and powerful but fighting more dangerous enemies as a result.

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>>50447174
Didn't forgeworld allude to him riding a giant mecha-scorpion?

Convert one of these dudes into an appropriate chariot.

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>>50447174

Something twisted and fucked up. Consider he was imprisoned for tech heresy before the imperial raid and was toiling away making evil shit while in the gulag and the possibility that it was said that set him free and let him go on a rampage. He's also got his personal bitch the homunculex which is a walking rape experiment, and then there's the fact he's basically infusing the warp into everything he's got.

>tl;dr it'd probably be a mix of something like the old dark eldar talos, a defiler, a whip spider, an enslaver and anything else equally fucked up. Presumably lots of spikey bits.

Pic related is what the archmagos draykavac rolls around on, so imagine that but more evil.

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>>50447174
>>50447587
This.

Dark Tech is dangerous. His throne might phase through stone. It might fly on quad pillars of warpflame. There might be an entire team of sacrifices in a coal cart behind it, ready to be tossed into the works.

Statwise... I'm not sure what I'd use. Maybe a Defiler, but smaller, and with quad autocannons instead of a battle cannon.

I'd be tempted to build some gigantic forge-thron out of a Baneblade, a Defiler, and Chaos Dwarf Hellcannon, and a whole bunch of zombie/ghoul bits and guitar wire. The throne slots into it, but can escape and operate independently.

>>50447748
Use a Great Brass Scorpion. Make it happen :^)

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>>50447771
Brass Scorpion is too beautiful to mash about. You can't corrupt that perfection. You've gotta make your own.

Can someone post the Dark Angel rules and things? I'm on the fence about starting them in 30k, but since they're not in the red book I don't know much.

Also, what's known about their 30k fluff?

>>50447790
DA rules are in book VI : Retribution.

Their LA is give the opponent D3 VP when he has more units at the end, and they hit on a 3+ against opponents with the same WS in close combat when having a sword-shaped weapon.

Their special wargear is their strong point. For 5 points per model you get an upgrade for heavy bolters that makes them OP

>>50447882
I know that they're in book VI, but I don't want to get the whole book just for the rules.

The rules sound nice though. Mind posting them in full?

>>50447916
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#I_Legion:_Dark_Angels

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>>50447916
Book VI pdf should be in one of the download links.

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>>50447948
Holy crap I love Dark Angels in 30k.

Sword boner activate.

How's the freedom of color schemes? I rather like the Consecrators in 40k, and how they have an almost exact same color scheme as 30k Dank Angels, as well as how wealthy they are and the fact that no one had heard of them until the third century into the 41st millenium.

How kosher would it be to paint them similar/the same as this?

>>50448053
Replace the chapter icon with the DA winged sword and I don't see how anybody could complain. It's mostly black as well, that's the main thing.

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>>50448066
Tbqh if you didn't look closely and notice the red symbol, they'd look exactly like 30k Dark Angels, but with extra red stripes and studs.

Their symbol is rather similar as well.

>>50445599

>All other moritats are, unfortunately, garbage.

BA double inferno pistol moritat might be the exception. The short range is a downside, but 12 S8 AP1 melta shots will make an awful mess out of most things.

>>50448092
Eh, I'd say if you want to play a successor chapter, stick to 40K or go Black Shield.

>>50438094

I simply skipped the book after a few chapters altogether. I even skip parts of the other books whenever some perpetual transdimensional undying creep appears. It's just so dumb.

>>50448138

Remember the "infinite flamer pistol BA Moritat" arguments? Hilarious!

>>50445599
Dubdubs confirm. Thanks.

>>50448138
That does make sense.

>>50448223
That kind of makes sense, definitely makes hilarity.

>>50446482
How?

>>50446482
I like the lengthened bolter, that's pretty cool.

>>50438485
Because its great so 4chan has to be contrarian and hate it

>>50440584
>How Emps views the Primarchs
Yeah, that made me sad, but it is in keeping with the 30/40k mythology and in character with the Emperor.

>>50448603
not really
i liked that aspect of the emperor , it proved that despite all his knowledge and power he was still human, and it gave credence to the fact that the emperor loved humanity

after all in the first telling of the story the emperor loved his son so much he willingly held back and let him almost kill him until a normal human stepped in and horus demonstrated his cruelty to the common man. this is what tipped the emperor over the edge and caused him to kill his favored son

the whole story had a nice touch of humanity to it
now the emperor is treating it like the animals at the local zoo are on a rampage

>>50448683
>until a normal human stepped in
I think you know this, but in the King story it's an Imperial Fist.

Most rogue trader versions of the story have the emperor accompanied by a group of banana terminators and nothing else.

>>50448747
yeah i know
just said i preferred the original ollanius version where he was fighting in the imperial palace for these reasons

>>50448764
He's not even in the original story, if we're being pedantic.

But crossing the streams and mixing the old rogue trader command bunker assault stories and the king "love of a son" short is bad juju, man.

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>looking up old fluff to refresh my memory
>realize they heavily retconned tallarn
dang, I didn't even remember this book being about that

>>50440584
>Empy doesn't like the Primarchs
That was my biggest grudge with the book. We're going to lose the good old fluff where He loses because he holds back. It's gonna be "Fuck you Chaos wins until it doesn't" like a fucking anime fight where the guy comes back from losing and uses his super SEKREET attack to kill the baddie.

>>50446642
And that as well. I just finished the book and it annoys me to see ADB putting his belief of "lmao Chaos won the HH akshually, even before Terra was attacked, deal with it fags".
Seeing him buttblasted about the Blood Ravens while half assedly trying to hide it in the afterwords was funny though. I like the guy, but he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and not let his opinions of the setting get in his books.

>>50440265
Warhammer fans have shit taste?

Kek. I wenr to see the reaction to MoM on B&C and they had to lock the thread already. ADB is so butt flustered by one guy calling him out for his 'things should be a mystery' approach to the BR/TS theory vs and then his blatant Chaos fanboyism.

>>50449217
Some people need to learn how to shut up. He probably got so many people angered by just these 2 things.

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>>50449132
>he guy comes back from losing and uses his super SEKREET attack to kill the baddie.
Then the Emperor needs his own super SEKREET ATTACK. I still say show Chaos this.

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>>50449352
I meant that as Empy losing because, according to ADB, Chaos has already won, can never lose, etc.
So he's the one losing against Horus and suddenly he gets his secret attack or whatnot and wins, anime style. Which is fucking terrible compared to the old fluff.

>>50449132
Chaos aim was the Webway project.

Horus was just he bonus round and they didn't want to win it because Horus has to die for Abaddon to rise who is their true scien and champion. They threw the Emperor a bone.

I, for one, will enjoy seeing the Emperor get bitch slapped by empowered Horus until Olly saves him. The Emperor has it coming for a long time,.He robbed their power and decalred war on them. What was he expecting? Making enemies of the most powerful entities in the Warp cannot end well I cannot fathom that there still folks who think the Emperor is mightier than Empowered Horus when the Emperor couldn't banish or destroy a daemon. A single daemon.

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>>50449580
There's only one way for Emps to win then.R U L E S O F N A T U R E

>>50449616
Fuck off Carnac.

>>50449580
>>50449648
My guess is that Olly will stab Horus with Anathme and then the Chaos Gods will withdraw their power from Horus while laughing at his foolishness.

The Emperor takes advantage of this and kills Horus even though he didn't have to since Horus was no longer controlled by Chaos.

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>>50449687
Doesn't explain how he'll get on the ship.

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>>50439798
Here are the first three commanders for my Shattered Legions. After a lot of hemming and hawing I decided to represent the three Legions who actually did their damn job and defended Terra.

Nassir Amit, Tenaka Khan, and Druss the Legend. Ranks will vary depending on which RoW I'm using and what troops I feel like bringing.

Khan is done. Amit is 90%. Druss's Yellow is spot on, but the rest of him is just base coated.

>>50449580
Quite literally the cover of Rogue Trader is of the Imperium losing. The Imperium has always been slowly losing. The idea that the Imperium has any meaningful hope of coming out of 40k as the victors without evolving into a completely new species didn't start showing up until 5E.

>>50449616
>Horus was just the bonus round

All i can hear now is abby coming with the "HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER" jingle from old fighting games. Fitting when you consider his new model is coming in January.

>>50449716
The Anathme can cut holes in reality and teleport you across the galaxy. I doubt he'll have a problem getting on the ship.

>>50449741

Inquisitor made plenty of plot hooks about getting the Emps back up and kicking and the sensei plot arc was way before 5th edition.

>>50449729
Hold the phone here, I've seen that WS before. Nice to see him again, and that he's made friends.

Am I missing something about rad-phage? It just doesn't seem that good. Since it only applies to single models hit, wounded, and not killed, the applications seem limited to hunting mechanicum/HQs/primarchs. Am I missing something here?

>>50449762
The fact that someone remembers one of my models from six months ago means I've finally made it as a hobbyist.

>>50449766

its a god send for deleting castellax and primarchs

>>50449758
The Thorians can believe what they want, doesn't mean it's actually possible.

>>50449716
IIRC, Olly can teleport by opening a gate into the Warp.

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>>50449778
Your Khan was back there in the dark corners of my mind, chilling in a booth with other memories back there, but why he was there I don't know.
>>50449781
Well, Emps coming back doesn't mean he's all flesh and blood. Would you settle for him coming back as a spooky scary skeleton god?
>>50449788
How convenient for him.

>>50449808
It's probably the topknot. Dude has a spectacular topknot.

>>50449814
I'm not denying the topknot but it may have been the sword.

Hey so I noticed that interlocking tactics works with legion Astarte's and the quad motors count as both artillery and legion Astarte's. So do quad motors benefit from Ultramarines interlocking tactics?

Alright rate my no rite of war list

Sorry about the phone notes formatting

Alpha Legion Traitors

HQ:

Forgelord, power weapon, conversion Beamer, refractor field, rad grenades, 4 servitors with rad missiles.


Elites

Dual kheres contemptor

10 Cataphractii termies, 5 power claws, 3 fists, 2 chainfists, 2 plasma blasters, banestrike w/ a Spartan flare shield and armored ceramite

10 sniper vets in a rhino, no upgrades.

Troops:

2x 10 tacticals in rhinos. Plain, no upgrades.

Heavy support:

10 heavy support marines, autocannons

Sicaran with lascannons and Dozer blade

Sicaran venator

2498/2500

Which legion's Tartaros terminators are most aesthetic, and in which legion's is that design most efficient relative to Cataphractii?

>>50449962
probably EC

>>50446642
The inevitable triumph of Chaos has been a thing in 40k since Rogue Trader

Hell, it was a thing back in Fantasy before 40k even existed

>>50449962

Phoenix guard are probably the best looking tartaros termies

Everyone uses them though, there's no preference.

They're good because they can sweep, obviously iron hands and salamanders(?) don't care as much about that. Everyone else does

>>50449648
What is the most Rules of Nature moment in 30k?

Some candidates;
>"It's also a hammer."
>Sanguinius vs the Bloodthirster in Fear To Tread
>Gal Vorbak vs Custodians in The First Heretic
>Sanguinius defends the Eternity Gate.

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>>50449741
>The idea that the Imperium has any meaningful hope of coming out of 40k as the victors without evolving into a completely new species didn't start showing up until 5E.
uh, no

t. person who actually read rogue trader

>>50450028
Hammer and Papa Sang during the Siege.

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>>50449808
>Well, Emps coming back doesn't mean he's all flesh and blood. Would you settle for him coming back as a spooky scary skeleton god?
"Settle"? That's the best case scenario!

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Surprised not to see more FAQ talk here. Is the Radio Free Isstvan podcast right - are assault marines, breachers, and outriders useless now that units can only use a single meltabomb against tanks, dreadnoughts, and even buildings?

It does seem that everyone will need to switch their assault-oriented armies to include some heavy shooting. And melée dreadnoughts will be great now.

>>50450363
And GW wouldn't have to do much to make a model of him. Just take Nagash's current model, add more gold, and have flaming skeletal two headed eagles come out of his mouth.

>>50449844
Pretty sure bladt and template weapons do not benefit from interlocking tactics

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>>50450380
>assault marines
More like Dreadnoughts are better counters to assault marines, but they're not useless. Their main job was and remains infantry kiling. "Melta bombs on jump packs" was always theoretical only, because when they could do it nobody did it because it was too expensive, and not too long after their price slash the FAQ came, so I doubt someone had time to make it practical.
>Outriders useless
Hell yeah. They get relegated to Tactical Support on wheels, that's damn expensive. And their melee isn't superb either, with only 1 power weapon each 3 dudes, maybe another one on the sgt you have to buy. No more meltabomb on wheels, maybe this is the time of graviton Land's Speeders' ascendance
>Breachers
Not an incentive to use them, yeah.

Also, remember the part of LA(IW) that nobody ever used, the "Meltabombs and krak grenades have Wrecker"? Well stop remembering it. It was meaningless back then, it's insulting right now.

Yes, a FAQ is yet BTFO'ing the IW. I wish I was memeing. But at least Dreads are great again. Except boxnoughts, Cortus are stealing their jobs.

Is Alpha Legion really that overdone? They're the only legion that interests me that don't have a boring all black paintjob

>>50450535

Im the only AL player in my store, we have multiple thousand sons players though.

If you like them, play them. They've got a bitching color scheme and play fun.

>>50450535
>They're the only legion that interests me
Follow your heart alphabro.

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>>50450535
Have you considered alternate paintjobbus? Maybe you could reach a compromise between pic related and http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ancient_Skara_Brae_Contemptor_Dred.jpg

Applying more red yet not that much, over an oily black. Dunno. You seem unmolested by blue marines despite 3 legions, the exact same number of black marines, are that colour.

>>50450380
it's a compromise to make vehicles less crappy
an over correction to be sure but now vehicles won't get deleted by a single infantry squad at least

they should have lessened the amount of meltabombs some other way
maybe 1 out of 5 men rounded up + characters or something

Correct me if I'm wrong, but only a single Archmagos (whatever) may be present in an army, right? As in, not even in the ally slot. Dammit Decima and Scoria, why must you lack that bit of wargear? PRECISELY THAT BIT OF WARGEAR?!

>>50450380
I think most people either accepted it and moved on, or their local scene decided to ignore that one part of the FAQ. I mean, there have been more ridiculeous rules forced upon us, and Infantry was already seen as practically useless or a tax anyway. It's just GW kicking a unit type that's already dead.

>Fun fact : didn't bother bringing up ignore the grenades limit because I thought there was no way people would accept it here. However, now everybody else brought it up and said we should ignore it. Autism strikes again.

>>50450535
If you like Alpha Legion, play Alpha Legion and let nothing stop you. Don't let your memes stay dreams :^)

>>50450703
Uh, I lost you. Are you ignoring the FAQ or ignoring the ignore the FAQ movement?

>>50450687
>taking named characters