MTG EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-11-16-breya-artifact-combo/

I need to cut 3 cards before adding in a landbase. which three?

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>>50420861
Who is your favorite commander and explain why?
Following in the thread theme of BULLSHIT WINS OUT OF NOWHERE, Atarka.

It's just so much fun to one hit a motherfucker. Most of the time I get btfo by removal or bounces or fogs but that one time no one has an answer and I get to blazing shoal exiling insurrection and just annihilate some unlucky sumbitch it's worth it.

The time I managed to kill 3 players in one turn with xenagod and seize the day was also pretty fucking prime

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>>50420861

Favorite commander is, and always will be, this homeboy. With enough artifact ramp and some disruption he can be surprisingly powerful, and games with him are quick and memorable. The fact he actively shits on life gain strategies and to a lesser extent pillow-fort and group hug make it even better.

Worst commander deck was newzuri, bought the precon as an afterthought because I thought it might be good. UG is just a cancerous color combo and I don't like how goodstuffy it can be.

>>50421127
Built him a month ago and piloted him maybe 10 times so far. I love that even the *threat* of playing him/hitting the field takes up so much of my opponent's attention. He paints a big target on my head from the start of every game.

Had some great explosive plays and quick wins, and I haven't even done the damage-doubling combo yet. Straight burn gets the job done.

I've also had a couple explosive "everyone loses" moments too. He doesn't go down without leaving the game in shambles

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My current commander is Athreos. Yeah, I know he's a trap commander, but there's something way too satisfying about running a LifeGain Sacc Deck using the Soul Sisters, Blood Traitor, Ayli, Butcher of Malakir, and other cards to cycle cards between my hand, the field, and my Graveyard to pull off some crazy combos.

I think my favorite win was when I had Blood Traitor, FalkenWreath Noble, a couple of zombie tokens, and Both me and my friend had a Butcher of Malakir out.

I basically won by creating a huge chain of Sacc deaths through the butchers that devastated my friend's life points.

>>50420890
Well, I just built a Spellslinger that had few extra janky cards mixed in.
Namely Neko-Te, Charisma, Student of Elements, Quietus Spike (not exactly janky though), Scythe of the Wretched and though about getting a Sword of Kaldra, but it was too expensive.
There's probably few more I missed, but that's the basic gist of it.
It's a storm deck, but it's basically a self gimp, since it's a straight up upgrade to ditch all the equips, auras and few janky creatures I have and use Melek or Mizzix.
I'm thinking of salvaging all the expensive things for Yidris though.

ZURGO IS THE BEST COMMANDER
RUN EVERY WRATH EFFECT IN THE GAME
COMBOS WITH MOTHRFUCKING WORLDSLAYER
RAPE EVERYONE WITH ASSAULT SUIT

>>50420967

Cards I don't love in your list:

Hanna ships navigator, kinda slow
Valorous stance, there seems like better stuff, although I can see you seem to be looking for removal that hits bigger 4 toughness creatures, which is cute
Grave upheaval, do you just really like basic land cycling?
Coastal breach, no reason to reset your own mana rocks when there are better board wipe options

Cards I hate in your list

Migratory route, what's up with this? Always felt like this was a travesty of an include in the artifact precon, it's even more mind boggling in an actual constructed list, is your mana base just gonna be complete trash so your running all the basic land cycling you can? You would do better with mycosynth wellspring

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>>50421274
I want to build a circus-themed T&L deck but I don't know if there are any good on-theme cards, or what the win con would be

Xenagos Beast Tribal Fatty Stompy deck here. What are the best Beast Token Spawners I could have in my deck, besides Garruk? I'm not planning on having a ton of them, but having a few reliable sources to spawn beasts would be nice.

Also, essential 2 CMC or less Beast cards? Ones that have the best effects for the lowest price in this kind of deck.

Is Mon's Goblin Waiters a viable mana source for this kind of deck, or should I be focusing less on having creature tokens in a beast tribal. I was also planning on including Epic Struggle.

>>50420967
>>50421374
Hanna should really only be run with Mindslaver.

>>50421451
Primeval Bounty is a pretty easy going spawner.

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ZADA IS MY FAVORITE COMMANDER
YOU CAN PLAY THIS SPELL
AND GET INSANE VALUE

>>50421451

>beast tokens
Fresh meat is pretty insane, but more for a sac deck than a Xenagod deck, still good against board wipes though

Honestly don't think tokens are what you want in a Xenagod deck

Also

>essential
>2cmc
>beast

There aren't really many or any

Garruk's companion?
Makindi slide runner?

>>50421374
>grave upheaval & migratory route
yeah it's mostly there for the land cycling, with other effects
>hanna
haven't really played with her that much, but yeah i can see her being too slow
>valorous stance
this card is the greatest surprise card. even when people know you have it in your deck, they never expect it. it's a great surprise card on the level of boros charm
>coastal breach
what better board wipe can I put in?

>>50421570

You already have good board wipes, you can run Scourglass and/or cyc rift if you feel you need more, but I don't think you NEED more

And yeah I'm not saying valorous stance is bad I just don't think it's as important to the deck as other cards. It's funny you mention Boros charm because that would save you against bane of progress and fracturing gust unlike valorous stance

>>50421570

You're in the best color combo for board wipes ever, what do you mean "what better board wipe can I put in"?

>>50421380
Well, you're on the right track, since they are a joke.
All kidding aside, I can't really think of any Circus themed cards other than showstopper and few animals, but they're not really on-colour mostly, like lions.

>>50421657
at 3-4 mana, coastal breach gets rid of a lot of problems. what better wipe is there?
>>50421634
i may switch it out for boros charm actually. and cyc rift is already in the list, but scourglass feels a little bad.

i also kind of want to put a ugin in the list, it's a serious threat, good board wipe, and has no colour restrictions

Tuning my Doran deck, looking to get better draw engines going.

So far I have Phyrexian Arena and maaaaybe Mentor of the Meek. I've used Deathreap Ritual before to mixed results. I feel I'm going to cut it as my local meta hasn't been going wide with creatures and it isn't reliable enough. I really, really need another Sylvan Library, but am counting it out for now.

How about Necropotence? I've got a spare, but the BBB always makes me nervous in a 3-color deck. Or Underworld Connections?

>>50421706

3-4 mana if you're fighting that many opponents. That's pretty mana dependent. Either way, depending on what you're scared of, White, Black, and Red all have pretty strong board wipe options. Red's a little worse than W/B normally imo but a lot of them are really powerful.

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>>50421706
>scourglass feels a little bad

>>50421706

Ugin is definitely better than coastal breach

The problem with coastal breach in my opinion is that you have no way of taking advantage of the wipe, it's sorcery speed, and it bounces all your mana rocks. Everybody is going to recover as fast or faster than you and you're going to have to discard your stuff

You already have rift and austere command and deluge and Nevs disk, I say that's plenty of board wipes, but if you insist on more, coastal breach is def not the answer, you want board wipes in which you can break the symmetry, a simple wrath of God would do you better

>>50421788

I mean I'm the one who suggested it to him and I agree it's not that good

It's fuckin sick with Kuldotha Forgemaster tho

>>50421769
necropotence is so much power that BBB is a fair restriction. put it in. even if you are only casting it late game, that's fine. It is strong enough to wait, or risk not being able to play it early on. Another triple black spell that is very good for draw is promise of power. if you go wide, shamanic revelation is a great spell. decree of pain is a great draw/wipe spell. Morbid curiosity can be okay, depending on your deck. if you are creature heavy duskwatch recruiter can net you a tonne of cards. erebos sticks around a long time, does a little more than draw, and will sometimes be a big booty attacker.

>>50421679
Not entirely circus-themed, but there are a few cards that look like things you might find AT the circus: Trinket Mage, Spawnbroker, Conjured Currency

Plus fun cards like Polymorphist's Jest and Switcheroo

There'll probably be a flying sub-theme, so I'm considering Skygames, Stratus Dancer, Favorable Winds, Sprite Noble, Archetype of Imagination, and Talrand

I opened a Rings of Brighthearth invention when do I sell?

>>50422037

I'm no expert but I think the longer you hold onto it the more it will be worth, because the card isn't ever going to be reprinted in that form

However, demand for the card isn't extremely high so the price could stay about the same, in which case you gain nothing by holding onto it

I'd probably just sell it now and kick yourself in a year when it's worth $10 more

>>50420861
Favourite commander is Momir vig. the fucking bullshit you could just pull out of nowhere with that fucker was insane. Kinda got nerfed after the prophet of kruphix ban though, so I switched over to Brago

>>50422037

Wait I overestimated how much the card was actually worth

Says it's selling for $42 on tcg player, which means if you sell it, it will only get you like $25 maximum

The normal rings of brighthearth was steadily rising before the invention came or so I think you should hold onto it

>>50422037
Sell now, the amount of time youll have to invest for it to rise is just not worth it at all.

>>50422141

Yeah momir vig was really good with prophet, still awesome though

>>50421788
the fact that you can only crack during your upkeep really hurts it. nev disk fills that slot up, but can be cracked at any time after untap, which increases it's viability. hedron network gets in over scourglass because it has an immediate effect, costs one less, and no colours are required. I have a foil one sitting around, but I don't want to use it because it is a little bit too weak.

>>50421817
good advice. I think I might just take out coastal breach. need to remove one more thing, now. probably mirrorworks, but the idea of having token artifact lands arouses me

>>50422175
I'd ebay it, probably make 35~.

>>50422184
I think capitalizing on while its hot is a good idea

>>50420861
Favorite general has to be Experiment Kraj, the ability to just "oh, that's it, I win" with 3 players things is great. God forbid someone is playing necrotic ooze.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-grave-combos/

alright, I've got a list ready, i think. tell me what you all think

>>50421892

Thanks, I guess I'll stick the Necropotence in then.

>>50421316
He is pretty hilarious with assault suit.

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>>50420967
How is Aligned Hedron Network working out for you?

I'd probably drop Voyager Staff, Fortuitous Find, and Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient. Here's my Breya which has been working pretty well, if you're interested.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/etherium-mastery/

>>50420861
>Who is your favorite commander and explain why?
Kruphix, because sitting back and charging your mana before unleashing a torrent of powerful spells has always felt fun to me.

>Alternatively, what's the worst commander deck you've ever built?
Worst in terms of the deck I enjoyed the least was definitely Stasis Derevi. In terms of least powerful, probably Alesha. That deck felt almost impossible to win a 4 man pod with.

Does anyone have feedback for my Oona list? I'm trying to focus it a little, since right now it feels a bit like a jack of all trades.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oona-the-empress/

>>50421247
You should try popping six Shadowborns into an Overseer of the Damned with a Grave Pact effect active. Feels good man.

>>50421127
>worst commander deck was newzuri

Yeah, I hate drawing half my deck and taking out all my opponents in one turn.

>>50421086
Borborygmos Enraged.

At first my group made fun of it because they thought it was just a dumb beaters deck.

I've gotten kills by drawing my deck through snake umbra + knoll spine dragon.

>>50422095
>the card isn't ever going to be reprinted in that form
Standard showdown started yesterday. The nonsense packs have 1/33 chance for a masterpiece or something like that.
wotcahs is hecking with all the speculators these days.

>>50422445
haven't tried the network yet, i haven't played with the brew yet, only tried her deck without any changes. The list is going to be going up against the other precon commanders . It is anti-atraxa (because atraxa will likely be larger than a 4/4), anti-ydris, and anti-saskia, (as this player is likely going to put in equipments to make saskia larger). fortuitous find can grab a whole combo (displacer, altar) at once, as well as just being generally good value. voyager staff is again, a surprsingly versatile card that works really well with salvaging station. kurkesh is also being tried out.
fuller list here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-grave-combos/
your list is pretty nasty, I would like to try a lot of that out. maybe not spy network, but a lot of it.

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>>50420861
>Fave commander
Pic related, every junk common or uncommon I cast in this deck elicits a "that's fucking bullshit" from my friends.

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>>50422415
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-grave-combos/
Try out Marionette Master. It can replace Breya in Displacer/Deathmantle combos, get more gas for Breya, or even make Breya's ability burn a player for 11 instead of 3.

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>>50421086
My first, and favorite commander. Nothing fancy, none of this voltron bs. Just a angel tribal deck with ramp, removal, and fatties. It is my Timmy deck.

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>>50421086
>>50422663

This is my Johnny commander. I have squeezed as many combos as possible into this deck. All of them require three cards to pull off a instant kill. I avoided easy combos like Food Chain to make the deck less spikeish.

>>50422620
>>50422445
>>50422415

>tfw comboing myr Battlesphere, Nim death mantle and time sieve

This deck is rad

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>>50422594
my friend found this guy to be pretty rude in general, let alone with doran

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>>50422594
I love how Doran enables white to be fun. 2 drop flier with buttbreathing? Sign me up!

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>>50421526
Real men use this and Chaotic Strike with a board full of goblins to win out of nowhere with Chance Encounter.

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>>50422829
That's actually a bit slow for my deck. I'm always dropping Doran T3 unless I don't have my colors yet. I have 5 or 6 1 drops (a few "3/3"s w/utility and a few vanilla "4/4"s) a couple two drops like >>50422843 and other buttbreathers, so by T4 I already have 10+ damage in

In a 1v1 my opponent is toast by T4 if pic related sticks

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>>50420861
>Who is your favorite commander and explain why?
Pic related. I got the precon a few months after C13 came out (my release day pick was Oloro) and I ended up turning it into a straight up death machine. Nothing beats immediately ending a big game on the spot with a token horde, Druids' Repository, Mirror Entity, and Insurrection. Sword of Kaldra is also a riot on him.

>What's the worst commander deck you've ever built?
I got into EDH about when RTR came out and I hadn't been playing for more than a few months then, so some of my early efforts were pretty garbage. Worst thing I ever built with experience playing was probably a Nicol Bolas deck that, long story short, was just an elaborate, poor excuse to buy a FTV Bolas.

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>>50420861
Tooth and Nail in Xenagod. 'Nuf said.

>>50423361
ooft, that fucker with cathars crusade.

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>>50420861
Favorite Commander? Definitely Xenagos, God of Revels. Beating ass with plus-size beaters is just the best.

Worst Commander? Borborygmos. I built it as a Gruul Theme deck and it was just bad. It eventually became Xenagos.

>>50420861

Is Meren a fun commander? I want a cool BG/Golgari Commander, and I've narrowed it down to: Meren, Mazirek or Skullbriar.

- Mazirek looks degenerate as fuck, since it has a thousand different ways to go infinite, and will probably either get killed on sight or win the game though some combo.

- Skullbriar looks a little dull, and will either force me to focus on some Voltron strategy, which isn't very fun or interesting in a multiplayer environment, or never be cast.

- Meren looks fun, if a little slow, but seems to be very fragile to graveyard hate.

>>50422565
Funny thing is I got nothing on my Showdown pack but a Mana Vault in my regular booster. I'll keep it for EDH, it'll likely hold value should I ever choose to get rid of it.

>>50423481
meren has the broadest range of what it wants to do. you can take any number of strats with it, where as mazirek lends to combo and skullbriar to coltron like you've said. Nath is a fun bg deck, as is glissa. jarad is stupidly powerful and will ensure games rarely go past t9-t10, even in powerful metas.

>>50423479
Do you still use him in your Xenagos deck though? He seems useful.

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>>50421086
Brion. And of course, this guy wins out of nowhere:
>Serra Avatar fling-ding when down to 1v1
>Threaten their biggest dude and kill
>Mother fucking Sneak Attack.

Had this deck since 2008. By no means competitive, but competent enough to have card advantage most of the time now and never run out of gas thanks to new card draw love for Red.

>>50423604
I do, actually. Many would probably argue that I could be running better, but he's one of my favorite cards ever for sentimental reasons.

>>50423535
Do you have a list of Jarad? I've never really paid much attention to him.

>>50423604
not him but borborygmos doesn't really work well in a xenagos deck

in a typical xenagos game, you'll put xenagos down and hope then a big fatty that immediately does something substantial the turn he comes out, and then most likely that fatty won't survive a single turn. getting counters with borbor will rarely be useful

xenagos doesn't play well with a wide strategy anyway. you usually want to avoid 7 devotion

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>>50422308
>They have Necrotic Ooze
>You are running Triskelion and Phyrexian Devourer

Assimilate and eliminate.

What commander screams Princess Mononoke the most?

I was thinking Saskia is pretty good for that.

>>50423654
i have a list from over 2 years ago that is far too slow and unrefined so i will not show. but you can do a neat zombie deck, or just find cheap fatties to sac to jarad.

>>50423361
>Sword of Kaldra
You do know that Basilisk Collar does a lot more for a lot less mana, right?

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>>50423732
Tolsimir Wolfblood?

>>50423732
Pretty sure Marath was just ripped directly off the elder forest spirit from Princess Mononoke.

>>50423535

Huh. I don't think I had ever payed any attention Jarad. Could be a fun Commander: gets bigger as the game goes by, even if you don't focus on it, and can blow the game wide open if people forget about his activated ability.

>>50423732
Iname as One directly reflects the death-life theme to the Forest Spirit but there aren't really any accurate analogies to San, Ashitaka, Eboshi, etc.

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What's some spicy tech for a Sakashima clone/copy deck? Stuff like Willbreaker/any clone creature/clone spell. I want some spicy, spicy tech.

>>50423962
puca's mischief. Put the ability on the stack, take a thing, get sakashima back at EOT

>tfw won every game last time my group got together
It wasn't even fun at some point.

>>50424460
I had deadeye navigator + mystic snake out at one point. Everyone just sighed

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>>50424520
>UGx

you're doing this to yourself

>>50424560
it was Momir vig, also had teferi + knowledge pool in it

>>50422488

Worst != Bad

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I have a $400 budget for a new deck. I don't have a requirements, aside from it being very fun and hopefully somewhat unique, and not super casual or durdley.

Suggestions?

>>50424801
well, what do you already have?

how the fuck do i build nu-grenzo

is this list good? i'd test it out on xmage but the conspiracy 2 cards never got added to xmage for some reason so i can't.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-11-16-cry-havoc/

obviously i don't expect it to be any better than a typical mono-red deck but can anyone with experience with the commander tell me i'm making a mistake?

>>50424065
This seems neat, but how does it work exactly? Is it
>Upkeep, choose Sakashima and something I want of an opponents.
>While it's on the stack, bounce Sakashima to my hand and just get what they had
Or am I missing something?

>>50424812
nothing beyond typical staple mana rocks and some lands. my collection is small. mostly looking for suggestions on commanders/archetypes. I cant find modify it to suit my budget on my own.

>>50424843
I meant more in terms of dekcs you already have

To avoid repeats

>>50424860
ah, makes sense. my mistake. Flip lily discard, crosis control/discard, talrand, newzuri, surrak RUG goodstuff, shu yun one punch, and New Sigarda tokens.

I've heard Arjun can be fun.

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>>50424902
lily list pls, i was toying with one but it looked bad, how well do you feel yours runs?

>>50421086
>Who is your favorite commander and explain why?

Right now I have four decks. Niv-Mizzet, The Firemind. Molimo, Maro Sorceror. Zada, Hedron Grinder. Sliver Overlord. I'm working on a "tax" deck with Kambal, Consul of Allocation.

Out of all my decks, Niv-Mizzet has to be my favorite Commander. I don't use the instant-win Curiosity combo, so it's always a matter of maximizing the damage from my draws, instead. It's been a lot of fun. I do have the Peregrine Drake, Deadeye Navigator for infinite mana combo, but I've never gotten it off. My dream win is to get that combo, then kill the whole table at once with a copied Blue Sun's Zenith.

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>>50423732

No idea about Commander, but you NEED this guy in the 99.

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>tfw bought a mana crypt today

Holy shit guys. It's beautiful.

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>>50425116
Mine wins in my meta quite consistently, but I'm still convinced it's a bad deck. Seems like consistent discard is enough of a tempo hit to help even messy decks win. Here it is anyway. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/e-v-i-l-w-o-m-a-n/

>>50425358

You bastard

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>>50425358

>>50425408
Why am I a bastard? My meta is super competitive and I love to make my own decks even more powerful. Grim Monolith and FoW are next

>>50425438
kira pls

>>50425358
>work a bunch of OT and have some money to blow
>buy a EMA Mana Crypt from tcgplayer
>$63ish (I think it's a bit cheaper now though)
>they send me a foil
Absolute based

>>50424587
>tutor on your commander
real fun and creative dood

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>>50423962
dismiss into dream

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>>50424902

steal everything, vampires, B goodstuff

>>50420861
>Best Commander
The Gitrog Monster. I started out playing Golgari with pre-built Meren and have just loved the color combo ever since. Gitrog is just great card draw and ramp into powerful creatures or combo wins. I've won as fast as turn 3 with the deck I have rn.

>Worst Commander
Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper. I tried building him earlier this year. It's nice if you have all the mana rocks ever printed but other than that it's kind of a boring and slow commander.

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>>50425606
>noyan dar
Agreed. Made the mistake of building him a while ago too.
>tfw prossh sacs 5 kobolds with a grave pact out and you only have noyan plus 4 animated lands

>>50423773

I agree with this guy

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>>50425557
>Mfw

>>50424835
sakashima is a delayed trigger. the bouncing happens at end step, no matter when you activate it. you get what they had, and until the end of your turn, they have your sakashima

>>50421380
what kind of sick magic is your pic?

>>50424902
you could go against the basis of highlander and play ShadowbornApostle.dek, with something like Atheros at the head.

>>50421380
Spoiler that shit you fucking nigger

>>50423762
Sword of Kaldara works on indestructable creatures. Only plus I can see but not much for the cost

>>50424829
bumping up my post to ask:

goblin tribal or no? about half of my creatures are goblins. the other half are goodstuff that just happen to work well with grenzo. should i just go full on goblin tribal? or just stick to what works best with grenzo?

>>50425606
>>50425666
If he was bant, even with the extra 1cmc, he would be a format staple. The problem with Noyan Dar is that you can't have inkmoth nexus at all times, and the best land tech is all green.

>>50426194
grenzo hasn't really been "solved" yet, like any newish commander. it's personal preference at this point. find a way to test different builds. the ideal archetype for a commander often doesnt show up yet for about a year after their release.

>>50426345
yeah normally i'd make a shitload of playtests with different versions on xmage and come up with a really good deck in the process, but sadly the conspiracy 2 expansion wasn't ported so i'm fucked

the deck feels "fine" when goldfishing. curves out well, runs out gas about the time i get a good token army going (when i will start exiling) and it seems like it could work but i really don't know if it will really work in practice

it's not an expensive deck but i wouldn't want to order 80 bucks worth of trash either. but i guess i'll just have to order it and find out for my own. it'll definitely be a fun silly deck instead of a "i want to win" deck but it'd be nice if it actually did what it was supposed to do

>>50426414
The difficult aspect of making combat-oriented decks is the variance in your local meta, really. I can't provide much help outside of the fact that Bedlam/Berserks' Onslaught can be hilarious in that deck.

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Why is Kemba the most popular mono-white commander on edhrec?

>>50426477
Dude, voltron AND tokens.

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After testing out Yidris Storm for the day and even winning some games with him, I decided that he's just not for me. But I still love the Non-White color combo as a whole.

So, I wanna play Vial Smasher and Kydele since I love what they got going. So far I got:
>All 5 Eldrazi Titans
>Grafted Exoskeleton
>Big X Spells like Villainous Whelth, Stroke of Genius and Exsanguinate
>Teferi's Puzzle Box
>Arjun/Mindmoil
>All possible Wheels plus Time Spiral for that Untap effect. Frantic Search, too. Only Psychosis Crawler is in for now.
>Leovold and Notion Thief

What's some spicy tech that I'm missing? Only thing I ask is nothing that goes infinite with Kydele because I already use her and her combo pieces in my Kraj deck. Wanna avoid redundancy, you know?

>>50426585
Blasphemous Act

>>50423611
Brion is an amazing commander. People forget he has lifelink, and throwing things after attacking with them is just pusedo double strike, but targeted.

>>50426585
Devle and Evoke spells are pretty good with her.

>>50425358
Which version? I can't decided between foil ema and the masterpiece.

>>50427316
I bought the EMA, it was cheaper, the art is great and I like the new border on it. Masterpiece is amazing, but way too expensive, and since I'm going to buy other staples, i can't afford it. Original version is the worst one in my opinion

I have a quick question regarding cascade.

When i play a spell with cascade and exile cards from the top of my library until i find a nonland card with mana cost less than the original spell do i stop at the first nonland card with less mana cost? or can i choose not to cast it and keep going until i find something else?

Say i cast Maelstrom Wanderer, do i have to cast a Sol Ring if that is the first nonland permanent i exile from the top?

>>50427455
You can't "keep going", but you can choose whther you cast the card you revealed or not. "“When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than this spell’s converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren’t cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.”

>>50427344
There is something appealing about having the most correct version of the card text

>>50427487
That's from the comprehensive rules.

>>50427542
I mean, yes all cards use the gatherer text, but having the physical card read as it works is appealing

>>50427344
EMA printing is the most bang for buck without the interesting old art work. Realistically I am too much a noob to just drop a mana crypt in my [] Yidris[]. Is there a wrong way to yse it? Am I supposed to sac it once I ramp out my turn three spell on turn one? It seems like the upkeep burn will add up pretty quickly and I don't have the space for lifegain in the deck.

i want to make a voltron deck because ive never done that before. should i make bruna, sigarda or narset

>>50427455
Top deck manipulation is essential to having useful cascades.

>>50427576
You drop it when you need the mana, and you keep it for around as long as you need to. It's usually fine even when you can't remove it. At least in my meta, games are over by the time it starts to hurt.

>>50427563
I find it a bit funny that the comprehensive rules text is the best way to describe what cascade does.

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Am I cool yet for doing the JoJo thing? Or am I still filthy simic trash?

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>>50427750
ring of fire doesnt quite fit maelstrom, but you did alright.

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>too poor to buy duals
>keep buying foils of my other cards anyway
I'm terrible at this.

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Is it just me, or does the original art for Regrowth look absolutely amazing in modern border?

Why does it have to be so expensive.

>>50423732
Tana or Radha, I'd say.

You need some Decimator of the Provinces/Giant Warthog action.

If you want to go a different way, Michiko Konda would be a decent Lady Eboshi and could run all the cards with guns from Portal 2.

>>50427897

I like it

>>50427455
>If I cast a spell with cascade can I just choose to cycle through my entire deck until I find a spell with CMC less than the cascade spell that I want to cast?

Gee boss, I dunno.

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anyone have some tech for this thing? I'm trying to build it for a random commander challenge with my friend but I can't find that many good ways to abuse the effect.

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>>50422868
>>50421526
YAAAAAASSSsss

>>50428008
Doubling Season and friends.

>>50420861
>Best
Oloro,hands down.It's my ''time to get serious''deck,and boy does it punish players that don't insta-focus me.
>Worst
I tried building a Nahiri deck,it was fun but it just kept getting crushed over and over.

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Hey TG! How does lands Kynaios and Tiro lands sound. So far Im thinking about running Mazes End and all the lands and just have the black producing one for the maze end (obv). Borborymous and things like seismic assault molten vortex kind of effects. Valakut scapeshift prismatic omens sounds pretty cool. Thespian stage and dark depths as well. Inkmoth kessig wolfrun. Ect.

Any suggestions?

>>50428126
Can't have the black producing ones in there, they have black color identity.

>>50428137
stop

>>50428035
Yeah I figured that much, what about things to hit Sekki with damage? what's the best artifact choices to make a ton of spirits from him (her?)

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>>50424460
>tfw first one dead five games straight last time my group got together
>had a great time
Granted, one of those games required the Narset superfriends player to come at me with every bit of his "fuck you" to stop me firing up the rape train the first game, but it was still a good time.

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>so badly have the urge to deckbuild
>finally have the time to build a new deck
>finally have saved enough for a new deck
>been browing edhrec all day
>still can't find a commander or archetype that I want to build

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We banned terrastadon from our playgroup because it was in everyone's decks. Have you guys had to ban a card because it was overplayed?

>>50428243
man i got like 5 ideas i want to do, and i already got the decklists for 2 of them on tappedout

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I really want to run her, I just have no idea what strategy I should go with.

It better not be yet another pillowfort.dek

>>50428150
I don't make the rules, that's just how they are.

>>50428261
Bear Hug would be nice but you usually want U or G for that because that's where the symmetrical draw is. No G means no seasons either. Missing U leaves out a lot of good voting cards so that would be a subtheme at best.

Go Wraths.dec with MArchesa for the recovery aspect. Control finish.

>>50428279
lands are fucking colorless dude what are you saying

>>50428257
post them if you feel like it. i guess im just discouraged because for the longest time, i built 4-5/10 power level decks for cheap. when i finally built my first strong "competitive" deck, which was brago, i fucking hated it. it was boring to play and played the same every single time. i want to find a fun commander that i can do proactive things with, put money into, etc. the dream yadda yadda

>>50422843
>buttbreathing
i dont like this term

>>50428137
Unfortunately, you're wrong. Unless otherwise noted on the card itself, lands do not have a color identity. If a land would produce mana of any type not supported by the Commander's color identity, that mana becomes colorless instead.

>>50428261
things like brion stoutarm, basandra, etc etc. marchesa is either pillowfort, politics, or goodstuff. she doesnt lend herself to much else.

>>50428366
they changed that rule. you can produce any colour of mana now, with things like Cryptolith Rite, for example. colour identity rules still apply of course.

>>50428126
Maze's End is out of the question, unfortunately. However, you can use Swans of Byrn Argoll. Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper as well if you're feeling sassy with Manlands.

>>50428341
>>50428366
>903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204). #

The guildgates that produce black have a black mana symbol in their rules text, therefore they have a black color identity. And as>>50428395
mentioned, that rule is no longer in effect, but that didn't change the rules on color identity.

>>50421086
this one time I played a game against two people playing this deck and another rando, and the two atarka players both chose to kill us and concede to each other

>>50428417
>>50428415
>>50428395
well thats embarrassing sorry boys its been ages since i last played

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>>50428150
>>50428126
>>50428366
>903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).

And let's go over to Pic Related for the rules text. Pic?

Oh /tg/. Will you ever learn?

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>>50428261
enchantress stax, make them lose life and never get it back while you're taxing them for everything. Play lethal vapors, mana barbs, everlasting torment, stigma lasher, master of cruelties, spiteful visions and mogis. Lifelink will help before you lock them down and real sorin will drop them to 10 life for you to play a debt to the deathless or exsanguinate. A pyroblast and red elemental blast will always catch a blue player off gaurd and most people play blue in their decks, especially with c16. Red has wheels like crazy which gets you cards you need. Wheel of fortune with a sol ring out is an amazing turn two play and molten psyche can do work with just a few color fixers on the board.

>>50428261
Do psuedocombo/noninfinite combo and weenies.
Recruiter of the Guard, Alesha, Zurgo, Mentor of the Meek, Sun Titan, non-white recursion, Athreos... a tiny bit of equip support for stuff like Sword of the Meek, and so on.

Political cards should fuck the entire table, Kraaverk style.

If you run Athreos, run Pariah for value. Even if you don't really care who the monarch is, you want to be able to hold it when you want it.

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>>50428243

>>50428503
>>50428504

Now I'm wondering what I should do with my own Marchesa deck. Was planning on a bit of a weenie strategy as outlined in the second post, but I like the idea of taxing the fuck out of everyone rather than trying to carefully curate friendships with stuff like Humble Defector and careful attacks. I don't know if I'm ready to go hyper-politics, and I usually don't seem to get into games large enough for politics to even matter anyway.

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>>50428243

any way to abuse restore balance? it's kind of hard to force cascade into it without yidris

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>>50428546
I've already built him and one-shot my two opponents in a 3 player game.

>>50428560
Cascade's the best way, so if you can't do that, it's very dependent on what colors you're running.

>>50428503
>>50428504
I really like what I'm reading.

Those are some solid suggestions. I always aim to be the most hated guy at the table.

>>50428578
at the point that i'm playing green for shardless agent and violent outbust, what's the point of even playing it?

>>50428354

well here are my deck ideas in from topmost to lowest priority

>Gahiji the Backstabbing Politician
a semi low power deck that tries to turn players against each other using a mix of group hug and pillowfort. either you bribe other players not to attack you with gift-themed cards (wall of shards, "hunted x" cards, etc.) or you just make yourself annoying to attack. you aren't supposed to look threatening on the board, instead you should always strive to be on the 2nd place. when the time is right, go for a big alpha strike and try to win the game. decklist: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-11-16-lord-of-war/

>Grenzo and his Flying Men
this deck is unfinished and i don't know if it actually works. basically, you just cast grenzo and goad other players into attacking each other, and then use your excess combat damage triggers to steal their cards to maintain card advantage. probably pretty low power and goofy, but probably fun too if you don't get run over by a better deck. here's the decklist, although i'll probably change the token focus to just cheapo unblockables soon: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-11-16-cry-havoc/

>Ephara flicker
basically just flicker shit and draw a billion cards. it seems fun for a more tryhardy deck but i personally dislike having infinite mana by turn 5 so i don't know if i'll ever build this one

>Marchesa Steal and Kill
get marchesa out with a sac outlet, somehow keep her alive and then threaten creatures and steal them. will be funny if it works, and absolutely awful if it doesn't. currently on hold because i know it will be mega jank

>Uril
I want 1 voltron commander at one point and Uril seems funny, so him. basically ramp up to uril, then dump entire hand of tiny 1-2 mana enchantments on him, then smash every player up. instantly lose if uril dies once

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what deck would allow to me play cards similiar to pic related? efficiently costed cards with dank abilities

>>50428612
Slivers

>>50428612
straight hatebears doesn't work in multiplayer edh, but it's pretty competitive in duel with gaddock teeg. multiplayer gaddock hatebears plays just enough hate to stall your opponents while you combo, so it doesn't need stuff like fleecemane to kill people.

>>50428612
Did you make a custom split card instead of just splicing the two card images together?

>>50428031
Does aleatory really work with Zada? By my reckoning, you don't target Zada with the spell, only after it resolves, so you would only get one coin flip?

>>50428650
even lazier, i clicked the first image in google :^)

>>50428656
All targets have to be chosen while casting the card, mang. It works with Zada.

>>50428641
Hatebears isn't the same thing as valuebears.

I just thought it bears repeating.

>>50423962
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/s-e-r-i-a-l-i-m-p-o-s-t-e-r/

>>50428736
i'll try to bear with you, but it hasn't worked yet for me. i've tried many times :(

if I'm playing zedruu, give someone illusions of grandeur, and lose the game, does illusions of grandeur deal damage to the person I gave it to?

>>50428788
Go big or go home. And bear the shame of defeat.

https://edhrec.com/commanders/surrak-dragonclaw?f=in%3DGrizzly+Bears

>play breya

SO THIS IS THE POWER OF THE WAIFU

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>>50428736
>>50428788
>>50428895
this conversation is unbearable

>>50428908
i underestimated her limitless power until i played some unedited precon games
being able to just 4 something is such strong utility, not to mention having 3 bodies for swords and a sac outlet out of the command zone

>>50421380
Check out the kaladesh stuff, the whole point of the set was a giant fair

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>>50421380
>tfw maro has said clowns would be considered as a type if we ever get a circus plane

>>50428874
yes

>>50428982
I would kinda prefer it if they counted as rogues or something, give it tribal bonuses.

>>50429014
clowns obey clown law

>>50428874
Yes. Illusions leaves with you, the ability triggers, he is the controller of it, so it resolves even after you've left the game.

Zedruu is best commander.

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>>50428895

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Trying my hand at Pillowfort/Group Hug since its radically different from the other decks I've built. (and in my depressingly small budget range)This is what I have after dismantling the other C16 decks, and I'm open to suggestions.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greek-hug/
>pic possibly related

>>50428610
>Ephara
Pushes all the right buttons for me, and is my current WiP. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone else's builds, particularly combo outs and/or spicy tech.

I'm a fan of Enchanted Evening based combos personally.

>>50421380
Blink deck would be the best. Make Roon your Ringleader.

Animals you would see in a zoo: cats, monkeys,elephants, bears. You could argue for snakes with snakecharmers.

Cards that must be blocked by flyers but aren't actually fliers are your acrobats (stuff like Elven Riders comes to mind)

Wizards would be Magicians.

I'm brewing Yidris at the moment. Does the combat step end immediately after combat damage is applied or could I play Savage Beating right after Yidris hits to be with in the combat turn window and get cascades triggers?

>>50429456
But you need Rakdos colors for the true carnival cards.

>>50429532
There's an end of combat step during which you can Savage Beating.

>>50429532
the combat step ends immediately after combat damage is applied, but i don't know what you mean by combat turn

>>50429532
Different Anon with a Yidris question. How viable is packing Yidris with wheel effects, Propaganda effects for defense, board wipes and graveyard recyclers so that you can fuck people by wheeling a million more times?
I'm looking to build a budget Yidris, and this seems like a fun strategy.

>>50429664
>wheels
Great!

>Propaganda for defense
Why would you need defense? Just play more wheels and other good effects.

>Boardwipes
No, boardwipes are terrible with cascade (Maelstrom Wanderer is an exception)

>Graveyard recyclers
Awesome with wheels.

Waste Not is obviously the best card in this deck.

>>50429752
I should have mentioned that I wouldn't likely be casting or using Yidris all that often. If I can get him out and use him, great! Otherwise the main strategy would be wheeling the hell out of everyone; board wipes would be for keeping everyone else from building anything resembling a stable board state.

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>>50428573
Wrong pick bro, shun yun is more like this

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What's the best way to go about a deck that encourages my opponents to beat the shit out of each other?

>>50429785
>guy based on hitting twice
>comparing to the one-punch man

I get that they are both bald and hit people hard, but it always bothered me.

In my mind, Malignus + Xenagos is the true Saitama. Always OHKO, no matter how tough.

>>50429787
>mono red Kazuul
>all the creatures must attack effects you can play
>play commander, nobody wants to attack you

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>>50429787
Edric, Spymaster of trest I belive so

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>>50429805
But they need to be asian and bald dude. It's kinda lame the double strike / one punch comparison but common, he is literally Saitama's brother: Two punch man

>>50429835
>>50429787
A deck to encourage his opponents to beat the shit out of each other, he said, not a deck to encourage his opponents to gang up on him.

Try Gahiji or something.

>>50429787
ludevic, labman final fortune combob

Am I a bad person for wanting to play Leovold?

>>50429787
Gahiji, Honored One is the best answer

My friend put a budget deck together that is great for multiplayer games.

>>50429787
I'll second Gahiji. You're not missing too much by not having Blue and while the Kings might be better for pure hugging, Gahiji lets players help themselves rather than just lets them co off earlier. Prison effects combined with free critters for everybody makes anybody but you the path of least resistance. Then, swoop in with an Insurrection and that's all she wrote.

It's great fun.

>>50429998
no, only if you actually enact your sick fantasies.

>>50429998
First off, people in magic get overly assmad about a lot of things, and I think that the constant complaining is unnecessary and a toxin to the community. That said, Leovold is very powerful, but it's nothing against you for playing him. The game is designed to have something for everyone.

M WHERE ARE THE CYBER MONDAY SALES

>>50428252
Apparently we have a softban on Deadeye Navigator, but I never saw anybody play it even before we did that.

>>50428008
Well if you run him in a RG you can use warstorm surge to go infinite

>>50430631
Neat

>>50428252
We don't ban cards, but our playgroup agrees on many cards we don't enjoy seeing played. That said, sometimes people show up playing them, or sometimes we feel like it fits the deck too well to leave it out so we add it anyways. It's added up to quite a list over the years actually.

Some examples:
>Seedborn Muse
>Consecrated Sphinx (I still play this in most of my blue decks, nobody else does though)
>Deadeye Navigator
>Tooth & Nail
>Genesis Wave
>Palinchron
>Full on stax decks (When I showed up with stax, people asked me to tone it down a bit, particularely cards like Land Equilibrium and Stasis)
>Almost all additional turn effects, excluding those with big drawbacks like "lose game end of turn", the one that skips your untap, the artifact that exiles itself etc. Up to each players discretion
>Two-card infinite combos. Stressing again that there are no rules against it, we just try to avoid putting them in our decks if we can. Lots of irregulars at our LGS that we play against run them. Most of our playgroup tries to avoid infinite combos completely, I still run one deck with Ad Nauseam combo.
>Annihilator - Cheating a hasty eldrazi into play and blowing up all his lands turn 3-4 only for it to get exiled later and force a guy into spectator mode for the rest of the game wasn't too fun, but we didn't want to let go of the deck shuffle ability, so we just assume the annihilator is a may trigger. Probably the most egregious of our changes, as it isn't really a deck design choice but actually changing the wording on a card. If we are playing with anyone that isn't a regular we ignore this and assume it is as written.

That's all I can come up with on the spot. Back when legendaries killed each other on sight, we houseruled Consecrated Sphinx as a legendary, so that instead of the games ending due to two players drawing their entire library, two consecrated sphinxes actually stopped the problem entirely. Not the case anymore unfortunately.

>>50430817
Over the years we have also toned the power of our decks down by a lot.

I used to run Survival of the Fittest, Tooth & Nail, Genesis Wave, Defense of the Heart, Turnabout, Rude Awakening etc in all the decks that I could. All the tutors I could find as well. Got too repetetive so we started taking out cards that increased consistency by too much.

>>50420861
>Who is your favorite commander and explain why?
Probably Nahiri. I just like playing with equipment and boardwipes and she allows me to really go deep with both strategies

> Alternatively, what's the worst commander deck you've ever built?
Meren was a pretty giant mess for a while because I just didn't want to spend money on certain parts. She's still pretty low on the powerlevel but I like where she's at.

Also Savage Summoning seems like a cool card. Will probably grab one for whenever I build Atraxa.

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Hey guy's I'm going to be picking my first paper commander deck soon and I'm wondering what cards will be good to replace some of the weaker ones in the pre-con. I am going to get Invent Superiority because it seems like what I want and I have some cards from playing limited I can add to it. (Padmea and Marionette Master most notably)

So what other cards are good to buy for it that won't break the bank? I am already eyeing Darksteel Forge, Wurmcoil Engine and Tezzeret walkers

>>50431253
Highly recommend jumping off a bridge for ever touching MTGO.

>>50431284
highly recommend following the first half of own advice.

>>50431253
myosynth lattice, krak-clan ironworks, eldrazi displacer. Live the dream

>>50420861
>Who is your favorite commander and explain why?
I think my favorite that I've ever built was Alesha. It's gone through a bunch of transformations and finally wins games, but most importantly I just like playing little dudes and Panharmonicon. Kozilek is also fun when I wanna be an asshole.

>Alternatively, what's the worst commander deck you've ever built?
lmao probably Jalira, but it was hilarious and fun so after that, Baby Chandra burn most likely.

>>50431253
>that wont break the bank
>4c commander
>breya especially

I ain't she a golddigga
But she ain't messin with no broke nigga

>>50431360
I'm not looking to make a super competitive deck just something I can play at my LGS

>>50431416
Her problem is a lot of the stuff that she likes is relatively expensive because it sees play in other formats. Artifacts can break the bank.

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>>50431480
You're not wrong, my heart is set however so i will just have to do the best I can. Luckily I have some decent trade value too so I might be able to get some good stuff out of that.

The other deck I want to make from scratch (Lazav) will probably cost more to get to a playable state and I'd rather wait until I can build him close to my ideal. As I understand it Pre-cons are playable out of the box even if they might not be super good, I'd rather play her with fewer upgrades than a tuned version of one of the other pre-cons

derevi. What can i say. I like twiddling. The tax free effect is a major fucking plus though

>>50427600
You should make Godo.

>>50431558
Lazav is super fun. I wonder what your bank is. You can make most any commander work for around $200, so if thats in your grasp then you'll be fine.

>>50429787

>>50429812
This is really the only sensible solution.

>>50431566

Speak of which, what are the available tax free commanders so far? I can only name akroma

>my new bosses are abusive assholes and I need to quit my job
>feel like shit about it so I'm going to waste money on magic cards
Should I get the shiny creature karn or the shiny rhysic study? Alternatively, what creatures around $20 would fit nicely into volrath?

>>50429787

mono red grenzo.

>>50426544

And way cheaper than Oreskos

>>50432310
Oloro, he costs 0.

>>50432965
Dread Cacodemon, 10 mana and its a one sided boardwipe if you decide to cast it.

>>50433162
That's pretty spicy anon. I think I'll snag him and a tune scarred demon just for shits and giggles. Avatar of Woe has already put in work, same with that primordial fucker. Any other not-lord-of-the-pit black creatures I could afford?

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>look for old mono-red tech for grenzo
>every old red card is fucking garbage
>meanwhile old blue cards are retardedly op

come on wotc

>>50433206
Any eldrazi depending whether your playgroup is ok with them. The original commons and none modern/legacy playable ones are dirt cheap.

Soul of Innistrad and Soul of New Phyrexia is also good for Volrath

>>50433242
All the eldrazi titans are already in Memnarch, and right now I'm running pathrazer, artisan and ulamog's crusher. Soul of new phyrexia is actually in Brago for combo purposes (surviving one of my many field wipes) but Soul of Innistrad seems perfect.

I've got to go tell my bosses to Fuck off, but when I get back I'll see if I can think of any other goodies. I'm running a reanimator/ramp build if that helps, and I have all the usual suspects like massacre wurm and geth.

My opponent casts Maelstrom Wanderer, putting 2 Cascade triggers on the stack. In response to these triggers, I cast Abeyance, preventing him casting instants or sorceries. The first Cascade lands on an instant. What happens? I get that he can't cast it, but what CAN he do with it? Does it automatically get binned? Is this why Cascade has a "may"?

>>50433319

It just goes on the bottom with the rest of the cards. I believe the wording is "put any cards revealed and not cast on the bottom" or something to that effect. I'm pretty sure he can't bin it as he's not allowed to attempt to cast

>>50433319
Cascade puts cards to the bottom of the deck if they are not cast or valid. Since the card is an instant and cannot be cast due to abeyance the player can only decide to not cast it and they go the bottom of the library in the order cascade requires.

If there was no may, the player will still be unable to cast it, but since it is a valid target for cascade the cascade trigger resolves putting all the revealed cards to bottom anyway.

>no C16 cards in en around South America
Guess I'll stick to finishing my Jeleva and buying funny things for Mizzix/Melek and a probable Noyan Dar

>>50433319
>Abeyance
shit that's some spicy tech, gotta get me one of those

>>50420861
>Bullshit wins out of nowhere
But those are the best!

>>50432310
Derevi
Akroma
Oloro
I guess anyone who can recur Command's Beacon easily?

>>50432310
karador should only ever cost 3 mana to cast

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>cast Enduring Ideal (searchable by Mystical Tutor)
>If I don't have the board locked down yet, get Possibility Storm, then Mana Maze
>if I want to add extra spice, get Paradox Haze/Copy Enchantment to add more Ideal triggers
>search for Parallax Wave
>get Opalescence next turn
>now I can perma-exile all creatures and enchantments because Wave can blink itself
>get Enchanted Evening if I have to remove all their lands and stuff
>get Purphoros next turn and deal infinite damage with blinking
>or, if I want style points, get Cloudform and blink it 50 times to manifest 50 cards of my library, then blink those to turn them face up

Would you play against my deck again /tg/?

>>50420861
>sliver player takes himself down to three to kill karametra player.
>I bolt him with Breya on his endstep.
>end up milling teferi player for 100, and feel very lucky he didn't get lab maniac out.

>>50432310
Tasigur is also tax-free.

>>50434156
I would play your deck, not sure if against.

Have you ever played Planechase EDH? Shit can be pretty crazy.

Anyway, I bought the 86 Planechase cards and after double-sleeving them in oversized Ultimate Guards, I have no idea how to carry them. The only thing I can think of right now is putting them in a modified Fat Pack box or two Ultra Pro Duel Deck boxes.

>>50434156
Sure would. We would have a fun mirror match where my creatures and artifacts Brago fights your blinkity enchantment nonsense.

>>50434156
I really wish it read

>When you remove the last fade counter from Parallax Wave, each player returns to the battlefield all cards he or she owns exiled with Parallax Wave.

>>50428261
I run her in a punishment deck. Just a tone of cards that punish my opponents for playing the game. Draw a card? That's a life. Cast a non-creature spell? That's a life. You attacked? Well fuck that's a lot of life!

She was promptly banned but not only my group but by basically my whole LGS.

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>>50429787
This baby right here. Make a pillow fort deck and make it so your opponents cant attack you and then throw down stuff like Avatar of Slaughter and laugh as they are forced to beat the shit out of each other.

You put the gun in their hand then you force them to pull the trigger. Karona is one of my favorite decks.

Hey /tg/, what are some absolute must-have cards for an Yidris deck?

>>50434482
Yidris

>>50434529
Ayyyyy

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holy fuck this guy is amazeballs

>>50428008
Warstorm surge goes infinite

>>50434754
But why though?

There are much better Boros commanders if you want to voltron or something.

>>50434889
he's cool

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>>50425557
>>50425720
>cloning doesn't target
>am i missing something?

>>50434962
I've started working on a Anya, Merciless Angel group slug deck for Multiplayer games.

Once it is up and running it will be a blast since we usually start with four players and are pretty casual.

Here is the starting budget build:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-secret-slugger/

>>50429370
Polite reminder of asking for help on this.

Ok so I'm a little lost on Yidris's interaction with miracle cards. I've been told that the spells are not cast from your hand, but rule 702.93 seems to suggest that the card is actually in your hand. I am confused by this.

>>50435000
My brother tried pillowfort/hug with the kings, almost unsurprisingly, it didn't work out. The hug was non-boing with the pillowfort,so he took out all of the hug and doubled down on the pillowfort. He runs a shitload of enchantments, enchantresses, and hides behind this massive wall he built. Then he wins with the primary wincon

Helix pinnacle

>>50435016
Miracles are indeed cast from your hand. You could even respond to a card's own miracle trigger by casting it normally (if it's an instant) if you wanted.

>>50434156
this with proliferate is hilarious

>>50435051
Elaborate pls

>>50435016
In order for the miracle mechanic to trigger it has to be the first card you draw for the turn. It may sound stupid but a card you draw is in your hand.

The confusion comes from in physical cards you have to maintain separation of the miracle card from your hand in competitive play in order for you to be able to use the miracle trigger.

What are the best Mana Rocks for Mono-Colored Non-Green decks?

>>50421451
In your deck and colors, unfortunately, not many.

Maybe a Kiln Fiend if you can get some triggers off it?

>>50435344
Playing more lands

>>50435344
Sol Ring, Mind Stone, Hedron Grinder, monoliths if you have high artifact interaction (aka untapping sources), Caged Sun

>>50435389
*Hedron Archive

>>50435264
>>50435160
Okay that's good to know. The precon comes with a miracle so i wanted to avoid confusion.

Now which cost does it consider when you cast it though? I assume the miracle cost but does it consider the full cost? That would be pretty damn good.

Also thanks for actually answering the question. Elsewhere my question was removed because you have to cast the card as soon as you draw it if you want to use it's miracle, so before combat thus it wouldn't matter. But I play both Recycle and Null Profusion in Yidris so it's still very relevant to me.

>>50435616

The miracle trigger allows you to pay the alternative cost by the word miracle, but it's cmc is the number in the top right. So if you cast a devastation tide with the cascade from Yidris you cast a spell with cmc 4 or less, even if you set up a situation where you play the devastation tide with miracle it will still cascade to 4cmc or below.

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How do you deal with burnout /tg/?

I have about 8 decks sitting on a shelf gathering dust, i dont have the motivation to actually play anymore, ive still been collecting singles for decks but i havent sat down for a game since around the release of journey into nyx, ive been playing on and off since revised but i really cant get back into it.

>>50435736
>I have about 8 decks sitting on a shelf gathering dust
Put them in a drawer to avoid dust.

Looks like you need a new playgroup. Burnouts are more about the people than the cards from my experience.

Is it just me or do KMC perfect fits cause faded-out spots all over the cards after some time?

I'm suddenly scared of double-sleeving my decks.

>>50435236
He took out all group hug and put in a shitload of pillowfort. Think propaganda, sphere of safety, auraification, worship, ghostly prison, solitary confinement, spiritual asylum, aegis of Gods, sterling grove. He wins with helix pinnacle, azors elocutors, or with the enchantment that can pump out 4/4 angels for very little mana if he doesn't take damage every upkeep

>>50435736
Find new people to play with, go to an lgs. Find a new deck you're in love with

"Hey guys. I know I'm playing Niv-Mizzet but I promise you that I'm not playing it super spikey"

>plays curiosity

>>50435834

The perfect fits don't fuck the card, but occasionally the kmcs (and dragon shield sleeves) will develop small circles of dried residue on the **outside** of the sleeve of card. This doesn't damage the card but can look gross. This is due to traces of lubricant used in the printing process of the sleeves and the oils of your fingers, it is harmless. You can scrape it away off the sleeve with your fingernail.

>>50435994
"Hey guys, my oona deck isn't like the others, it's not super spikey"

T2, Pili Pala


Every infinite mana combo ever inside, fuckload of tutors

>>50435994
First time my friend played his Brago deck he turn oned a land > Sol Ring > Strionic Resonator

I wanted to call bullshit. Turn two brago was down and he had that e-z infi mana combo down.

Alright, Xenagod Beast Tribal again. Here's what I've got so far:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/beast-revels/

It's 15 cards short. Anything I need to change? What should I add? How's the Mana balance look considereing that the remaining slots will be mainly for Artifacts, Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments?

>>50436022
It's just that when I pull out some cards out of my perfect fits, they seem spotty on both sides. I'm not sure if it's just old cards or damage caused by the sleeves.

>>50436098
>>50436098
"hey guys, my deck is not super-spikey so be gentle pls"

>the deck only plays terrible cards, has no win cons and has no way of defending
>loses horribly

"why are you guys are so competitive ;_;"

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how spicy is this in zada

>>50436098
>fuckload of tutors

All tutors are banned at our table. Period. It just defeats the whole point of the format. Work with what you got and play random jank. Stop playing the same spells every game.

>>50436131
I doubt it's the sleeves, probably just old cards. I wouldn't know, I primarily use heavy plays from my lgs LOL

>>50436159
i wish i was strong enough to take tutors out of my decks but fuck, playing monoblack without taking advantage of them really sucks

>>50436159
All tutors? Damn. I think a house rule of like " 4 or 5 tutors maximum per deck" is fine. Especially if it's something specific, like "search for a goblin" or search for an artifact with cmc <2 .

>>50436149
the exile ability is only really going to be useful in two situations. 1v1 and if you have a fuckton of mana and no cards in hand. however, the goad ability in a multiplayer game is insanely good. I'd say throw it in.

>>50436130
Dense Foliage (you can still use xenagos' ability)

or you know, just go through my list, specifically the sorceries

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/angry-xenagos-ooga-booga/

>>50436217
the exile is still good for making sure you don't gas out. plus it's flavorful. i'm about to build a deck for him so i'm probably going to write about my experiences with him sooner or later. the main problem is that mono-red doesn't allow for much build variety

I want to play a zombie tribal deck that goes as wide as possible but still has a large amount of control elements to it, and i want to avoid boring things like mike and trike. Who is going to be my go-to commander?

>>50436159
That's pretty dumb, imo. I'd ban Tutors that cost less than 4, but other than that they're pretty balanced.

>>50436291
maybe teysa, orzhov scion?

>>50436291
Sidisi (bug) or gisa and geralf.

For fun, consider geth or lim-dul

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>>50436322
>>50436331
>>50436291

Guys, no, he wants Control and Zombie.

Drainu, no question

>>50436371
He wants to go wide

>>50436322
The point is we dont want to see the same cards every game. The deck is 99. There should be lots of variation.

>>50436208
Yes and that was a compromise. It was almost a list of any card that created consistency that wasn't a commander.

>>50436200
Whats the point of 99 cards if you are just going to grab the same few cards over and over?

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>>50436386
Vela the Night Clad then?
Sacc Zombie deck where everyone gets intimidate, and killing his army only hurts you

>>50435994
"Hey guys let's play a casual game!"

"Sure thing."

>he plays hanna
>turn 5 he puts down academy rector
>raises some huge red flags but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
>he kills the rector and gets omniscience

>>50436843
What is this bizarre theme of
>Plays casual game
>opponent plays win condition
>complains about it on edgh

Do you guys consider casual to be synonymous with no-combo-wins or no-expensive-cards?

When I play "casual" I consider it like I do 60-card casual: anything goes. For me competitive entails some sort of ruleset or meta to adhere to, but casual means play what you want and have fun. What's fun for you may not be fun for everyone else at the table though. Sucks then but that doesn't make it not casual to me.

>>50437025
To me a casual game sees half the deck played at a minimum. Any deck that can win well before that is not casual. Any deck that can win in 10 turns is competitive. 5 or less is try hard.

If we all sit down to play a casual game I expect it to take a few hours as we all fuck around having fun.

>>50437052
>Any deck that can win in 10 turns is competitive
My deck can win in 10 turns, yet I have absolutely 0 chance of winning against a tuned cEDH deck.

Why do people think that casuals have to intentionally gimp their decks to be bad

>>50437087
because they want to complain about not winning because they don't know how to build proper decks.

>>50431253
Reckless Fireweaver is actually pretty absurd in Breya.

>>50437087
Because then it's not casual? Casual pretty much IS gimping your deck intentionally.

Personally, what I consider a casual deck is a deck that can't reasonably win the game or lock down the board from an emtpy boardstate in a single turn (obviously if you have 30 cards in hand and every land in your deck in play, this doesn't really apply).

Academy Rector into Omniscience isn't casual.
A card that combos with your commander to win you the game isn't casual (Niv+Curiosity, Prossh+Food Chain, Sharuum+Clone)
Sneak attacking with Eldrazi Titans isnt casual.
Survival of the Fittest / entomb into Jin-Gitaxias / Consecrated Sphinx and reanimate on turn 2-3 isn't casual.
A narset deck with two dozen extra turn / extra combat step cards isn't casual (This is the number one offender when it comes to people screaming "BUT IT'S CASUAL I SWEAR", then they win off their first combat step)

Now, I try making my decks really powerful while still upholding the above criterias (No easy infinite combos, keep low on tutor cards, avoid tutors that tutor multiple cards).

But this is a design philosophy, and it varies completely from player to player, or at least playgroup to playgroup.

>>50428008
fun fact: he still prevents damage and makes tokens regardless of how many counters he has. Play cards that give him at least +1 toughness and cards that make other creatures fight or block him.

I keep reading Displacer + Breya + Ashnod/Krark can generate infinite 1/1 but I'm having trouble figuring out how without panharmonicon.

>>50437256
>Because then it's not casual?
If it's not competitive (because my tier 3 general and janky combo with no disruption has no chance of winning against a competitive deck), and it's not casual (according to you), then what the hell is it?

>Casual pretty much IS gimping your deck intentionally.
Maybe if you were a competitive player that tries to play with other casuals, then this applies to you. But "casual" all over the world means what >>50437025 described. Anything goes, because the players prefer to play their favorite cards instead of netdecking, and they don't play some cards because they simply don't have them or can't afford them.

I've never seen a kitchen table player deliberately exclude certain cards from his deck becuase they are "too good" with his general. "I just build a new deck, and now I'm going to gimp it so it's casual" -said no Timmy ever.

I don't really like instant win combos, but with a power level increase after I moved I need to run a few in my good decks. So I figured I would make them silly, like Laboratory Maniac risk it all in Sidisi and Near Death Experience with a Plunge into Darkness in Merieke

Most of my decks, aside for those two and my Kynaios and Tiro have no instant win combos, just them

Do you go for good/reliable combos or do you risk it all?

>>50437330
>control displacer+ashnods
>play breya
>breya etb get 2 thopters
>sac 2 thopters to ashnods altar
>4 mana
>activate displacer targeting breya
>1 mana in pool
>breya blinks and etb makes two thopters
>sac 1 thopter
>3 mana
>activate displacer targeting breya
>breya blinks etb create 2 thopters
>now control 3 thopters+breya
>rinse repeat for infinite colourless mana, infinite thopters, and infinite activations of breya

>>50437330
Sac 2 thopters to Altar, get 4 mana. 3 to blink Breya, get two thopters. 1 colorless leftover. Repeat ad nauseam.

Is it possible to make a good Leovold deck that won't cost an arm and a leg?
Looks like a spicy commander