Fantasy Egypt

>>50401084
Linen trade

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>>50401084
This entire website is good, it has even a bestiary:
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/index.html

Some other info:
http://anthropology.msu.edu/anp455-fs14/2014/10/23/ancient-egyptian-sexuality/

http://luwianstudies.org/bronze-age/egypt/

Past threads with some relevant info:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/41331748/

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18350298/

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>>50401260

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>>50401274
OP, your image bait reminded me that ancient egyptian nobles wore some clothing more revealing than that. Toples, and see-through dresses.

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>>50401289

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>>50401299
Reminder that real pyramids were white and golden-capped.

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>>50401320
I had mine not!egyptians use slings. Their ammo included scarabs like pic, only carnivore. It offered a non-magical hit bonus (+1 to +3) because the insect partially corrected the trajetory, and the initial damage was bad (1d6) but the burrowing turn (+1d4) after turn (+1d4) was worse. And that's only one hungry bullet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_452520977&feature=iv&src_vid=IHP-aoQUhlY&v=X-I5RjodS80

>>50401084

A VERY socially conservative population. Egypt has always been like that (not really something with which to grow capital in small amounts of time) and actualy is as of now.

Pretty religious population, to the point of what we'd call single-minded. Interestingly, that's true even now: if Egypt isn't particulari fanatical in the ISIS sense, check out the copts, they make your worse evangelical look lazy.

>>50401084
who is this semen demon?

>>50401483
Also any art style they have has been the same for LITERAL millenia. And they'll actively resist any attempts to change it.
Seriously, if you look at pieces of egyptian art that has 1-2000 year time gaps in between their creation it's astonishing how similar they look.
And this ain't the kinda thing more contemporary artists do where they go back and mimic an old style, this is one straight line with a short interruption for ONE pharoah somewhere in the middle that they fucking BURIED his existence. Shame that that guy's son and successor is king tut

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>>50401084
>The only 3D brownies that are actually delicious have a spraytan

>>50401289
They didn't wear it because they were sluts but because it made breastfeeding easier.

>>50401511
like an anon once gave the link to me, now I shall pass it on to you https://imgur.com/a/J8doF

>>50401671
That's not the full set.

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>>50401633

I would argue there are many varieties of deliciousness in the world, Anon.

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>>50401733
really makes you think

>>50401084
Temple intrigue, crazy old priests invoking the power of their gods in the constant game of politics to become the favored temple of the pharaoh.
The priests always had the pharaoh's ear, with Egypt being a semi-theocracy and everything. The important thing was who he listened to the most and who could influence him. Think Game of Thrones, but all the royal flunkies at court are priests. Possibly with divine magic.

>>50401084
Hardened copper weapons and tools
Linen EVERYWHERE
Extremely basic technology
Palace economy all the way around
HEAVY importance of religion and religious organisation
Lack of natural resources of any kind
Heavy reliance on trading, as in - exchange of goods
Decentralisation - while you have "all-powerful" pharaoh, the real power is divided all over the country into his gobernors AND clergy, each controlling a small region. This DOES NOT mean feudalism. Think rather about vast and not-exactly-loyal bureaucracy
Understanding that you are working with overglorified Chalcolithic era civilisation and aside characteristic looks there is barely anything there

>>50401483
>Fantasy Egypt thread
>Base entire argument on modern, Arab state
>Hating based Copts
Kill yourself.

>>50401709
Just google Non Summer Jack

>>50401827
>Lack of natural resources of any kind
>Understanding that you are working with overglorified Chalcolithic era civilisation and aside characteristic looks there is barely anything there

Fucking this.
With all the aesthetics are eye-pleasing, and quite complex culture behind the civ, there is barely anything of any real substance behind it. And it's the reason why it declined so badly after the New Kingdom period, not to mention being constantly conquered by different countries.

Fun fact - best "Egyptian fiction" was written by Finn and Pole respectively

>>50401827
>Forgetting cats
That's like one of the biggest things about Egypt

>>50401827
>Palace economy
? ? ?

>>50402059
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy

TL;DR most money and work was directly given out by the monarchy. This was one of the reasons they built so much shit, building projects were a way to keep thr commoners busy and productive when crops weren't in season. It's also the source of the biggest meme lie - Egyptians did not use slaves to build their monuments (the Jews weren't even fucking slaves). Building projects were contracted government work projects

>>50402083
Rather, they weren't slaves in the contemporary chattel sense. They were basically serfs tied to the land and the palace, or re-settled captives who became Egyptian "citizens", aka the property of the Pharoah like everyone else.

>>50402036
Cats are just a meme. The real important animals was hawk and snake, since they both represented the pharaoh rule over Upper and Lower Egypt.

>>50402059
Palace economy can be best described as proto-feudalism. Minoan civ, the one from Crete, is probably the best example. You have a central unit of government, the palace (sometimes literally, sometimes not), for which all the peasants provide, while the palace itself is the centre of craftsmanship, as all craftsmen work next to it and provide for it. In turn, the palace redistributes all the goods as the ruler sees fitting. It neglects proper trade, and if trade exists, then it's about barter rather than coinage or metal-based
In short
Goods > Palace > Population

Average palace economy is an absolute monarchy or outright despotism, usually backed by making the ruler some high religious figure. In early days of such organisations, it was combined with outright theocracy, like in Sumer cities.

Really, if you plan to run anything pre... let's say 1000-800 BC, then palace economy is the dominant economy model for pretty much everyone around the globe. And that's if we already skip the so-called "Late Bronze collapse", which is discredited theory at this point anyway.

>>50402116
Of course that's if you take the meaning of slave as "anyone who does not receive a wage in currency they are free to spend as they wish wherever they wish in exchange for labor". A limited market economy did begin to develop near the end if the bronze age but egypt was on the way out as a civilization then, and it never truly developed into a free market.

>>50402128
Isn't this kind of like communism?

>>50402128
Late Bronze Collapse might be discredited, but it makes a great backdrop for RPG campaigns, since you have a barbarian horde(s) looming at the borders and threatening to destroy everything. Call me lazy, but this shit works, as it affected everyone around the Mediterranean

>>50402166
Fucking sea People

>>50402143
Not at all.

It's really how any despotism worked ever. You see, the commoners have absolutely no saying in what is going around. The aristocracy, if exists, is entirely bound with the ruler, as it's family. In fact, most administration is family.

Shang and early Zhou dynasty in China are probably the best case studies, since they lasted for centuries of extremely stable governship (Zhou is the longest-rulling dynasty in China, for way over a millenium).
You have a palace, which rules nearby area. If you want to expand, you send your brother to start a new palace and control another area. EVERYTHING is controlled by the palace. The palace commands. If it's farming season, things are simple. If it's not, just like this anon >>50402083 said, you start building something for the palace. Be it roads, granary (palace has monopoly on food storage), barracks or some monument. Because you have a MASSIVE manpower that has nothing else to do anyway. If it's important for your region, you usually use said manpower to run irrigation projects. All goods produced are literally made for (and usually IN) the palace, so when there is surplus, the ruler can grant it back to the subjects. Tools were the best example - crafrsmen made tools for the palace for food and shelter, the palace then gave the tools to the peasants, while the peasants gave food in turn. In the end, palace controlled both food and crafts, while both craftsmen and peasants were fully dependent.

Is it clear or should I elaborate further?

>>50402203
Oh, and about military. Palace controls military, as it is the only centre of rule that can have both food, shelter and weapons for people, thus it gains the "monopoly of violence", as nobody else can afford this shit anyway.

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>>50402128
>hawk
You fukkin wot?

>>50402241
Sorry, by taxonomy of my language, that's a hawk. If it's not the case in English, then put that on language barrier.

>>50402203
>>50402128
These sorts of post is why I come to /tg/

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>>50402301

>>50402280
Nekhbet, the Vulture Goddess, along side Wadjet, the Cobra goddess, represented the Upper and Lower Kingdoms.

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>>50402445
More like Anubass.

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>>50401084
>Fantasy Egypt

>Add Goa'ulds to make it 110% better

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>>50402533
Damn right

>>50402543
Ba'al my man!

>>50401084

Make sure it isn't literally just egypt dropped into place with no thought for what's around it, like some people in this thread seem to be suggesting. Give them some interactions with their neighbors, some influence from them onto said neighbors, some trade and such, et cetera.

Egypt had its thing with the romans, remember, and even in the ages before that it had to deal with various tribes, foreigners causing problems, wars, et cetera.

The Egyptian faith was very focused on the idea of fertility. For example there was a regular ceremony where the Pharaoh would have to masturbate to completion into the Nile in front of a large crowd of people, this was believed both to ensure a healthy harvest and also to prove that the Pharaoh himself was fertile and the royal line could continue. Then there was Cleopatra who was the high priestess of one of the fertility deities, becoming high priestess required you to have slept with 1000 different men, it's possible the entry requirements were relaxed for the Pharaoh but given Egyptian conservatism, unlikely.

>>50402869
>becoming high priestess required you to have slept with 1000 different men
How long did their high priestesses live afterwards? Because that shit must give you a shitton of diseases. And probably cause you to spread them quite a bit.

>>50402904
Not as.many VDs back then because no gays anon :3

>>50402869
>becoming high priestess required you to have slept with 1000 different men

That is some legend of queen opala level shit right there.

>>50402946
there's also the story of her fallating 100 roman nobles over the course of 10 days.

That one wasn't even because of a ritual, that was just because

>>50401417
>Their ammo included scarabs like pic, only carnivore

Holy shit

>>50402980
Back in the old days you had to suck 100 dicks once to get a promotion.
These days you have to suck one dick 100 times.
Sure is progress.

>>50402869
Bullshit. Your magical realm is not history.

Firstly Cleopatra was the 7th queen of her name. The Cleopatra that ruled as the last independent queen of Egypt and the last of the Ptolemy dynasty was not a priestess, and she
most certainly did not sleep with a thousand men. Even if she could and wanted to that would have been amazingly stupid, given how many potential successors that would produce and how every birth was basically a death risk for women.

The only two men we know Cleopatra slept with were Cesar and Marc Antony, whom she had kids with. She was also married to her brothers, as was custom, but we don't know if she ever slept with them, these brother-sister marriages were most often symbolic. She certainly did not bear any children from them, which would be the most obvious way of determining if she had sex with her brother/husbands or not.

>>50402925
Yeah...
1) plenty of STDs without gays. Don't know how you can even think there wouldn't be.
2) plenty of gay men and women back in the day.

>>50402980
She was on the losing side of the Roman civil war. Makes sense the victors would have accused her of everything from being a slut to witchcraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Bx0b0394M

>>50401084
She's a qt, ugly feet tho

>>50401084
Why would you want litter your setting with real-world analogues from wildly different time periods?

That's World of Warcraft-tier.

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>>50401084
Look for the Old Empires supplement from AD&D. The Mulhorand section might help you.

You can also look up the "Human, Mulan" section of Races of Faerun, but it would only give you flavor text to describe the people.

>>50402622
>Egypt had its thing with the Romans
Anon, by the time Romans showed around, Egypt was THE most Hellenistic country of all Successor States, ruled for past few centuries by Greek dynasty. And before that it was ruled by Persians, Assyrians and fuckload of different people.
Egypt as you think about it cease to exist around the end of the New Kingdom period, which corresponds with the whole "Late Bronze collapse". Unlike other regions, Egypt NEVER recovered after the so-called collapse to be player, instead being a plaything

>>50403306
Who said anything about different time periods?What? You never had bronze/early iron period settings?

But true, the whole "let's put civs from completely different periods and let's make them neighbours too!" is literally cancer.

>>50403015

>>50402925 this was a joke Anon, come'on

>>50403467
Not him but it's a dumb joke

>>50403467
Have you ever heard about Poe's Law? Plus, the joke was mediocre

Go apeshit and fucking mix up all the time periods. Hell add some mamuluks with your Thuts if you feel like it.

Throw some magical cats, goa'ulds and mummies in there and fxcking mix it up with some alien superweapon pyramids.

>>50403436
>Egypt NEVER recovered after the so-called collapse to be player, instead being a plaything

This.
Technology marched on, culture marched on, but Egypt remained bronze-tier civ, constantly conquered and mismanaged by different cultures and quickly turing into rump state that had nothing else than lush farmland to offer. The lack of resources on their own made any attempt to rebound impossible. Combined with their culture, which promoted heavy decentralisation on local tier and absurdly overgrown priesthood-run bureaucracy a lot of the wealth the country had was out of reach for rulers.
Add to all of that Third Idtermediate Period, where Egypt was divided into ELEVEN different states, some of them literally in size of the local temple complex and area supporting said temple, running for five centuries, when everyone around was heavy on centralisation or at least reforming the way how countries were run and Egypt ended up as easy prey for local barbarians, Persians, dynasties consisting of single ruler, civil wars, rebellions, constant problems...
... by times when Alexander rolled in and "conquered" Egypt, there was barely anything left of the country. We are talking about a state that was Mediterranean version of how Aztecs ended up upon Cortez arrival - on the brink of total collapse. In fact, if Ptolemy wouldn't took over and stabilised the region with (relatively) firm grip and setting up the country with his offspring, Egypt would end up how Sumer cities ended up - conquered centuries ago and then abandoned, to be forgotten. So ironically being conquered yet again by outsiders allowed Egypt as a state to continously exists for next few centuries and even slightly rebound from the brink. When it ended up as Roman province, it was at least an integrated state and treated as such by Romans and then all the new rulers of the region.

Without that, Egypt would be literally removed from the history around 900-800 BC and never return in any form.

>>50403544
why go through all the trouble?
yugioh should have an RPG system by now.

>>50403544
>How to make shitty setting: The Post

>People talking about Egypt and it's ancient culture.
>Virtually nobody mentions the cults of death and cults of health, which were BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT AND OBVIOUS DRIVING MECHANICS OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING CIVILIZATION.
Jesus fucking Christ folks, get it together.

>>50403605
>How to not allow fun: The Poster

>>50403617
>Cults of death
>Cults of health
... wait, what?
!
... oh, you mean fertility cult, which is mentioned constantly in this thread.
Seriously anon, are you dense or something? Because lo and behold, it takes to be brain-dead to non understand how ancient fertility cults were run and instead create some artificial division and rewrite shit established as a term roughtly 2500 years ago.

Want actual death cults? Try fucking Assyrians or Nahuatl religion.
Want health cults? Try Scythians
Combine death with health and you have your average fertility cult, you moron.

>>50403671
>Shit setting
>Fun
Pick one

>>50403671
Anon, unless you run extremely pulpy setting AND your players are aware of it AND they want to play such setting, there is literally no way for a badly designed, overblown and cliche-driven setting to be fun. Like the old saying goes - "Excess is worse than fascism"

There's a battle between two mages in Egyptian mythology I always though was pretty cool

>The Ethiopian laughed grimly. 'White dog of the north!' he cried. 'I defy you! I have such magic at my command that presently Seth will take you as his own, and Apep the Devourer of Souls will soon be feasting up the Ba of that which was once a Pharaoh of Egypt. Behold!' The Ethiopian waved the sealed roll as if it had been a wand, and pointed to the floor in front of Pharaoh, muttering a great word of power. At once there reared up a mighty serpent hissing loudly, its forked tongue flickering evilly and its poisoned fangs bared to kill. Pharaoh cowered back with a cry. But Se-Osiris laughed merrily, and as he raised his hand the giant cobra dwindled into a little white worm which he picked up between his thumb and first finger and cast out of the window. The Ethiopian uttered a howl of rage and waved his arms, spitting curses mingled with incantations as he did. At once a cloud of darkness descended upon the great hall, as black as midnight in a tomb and as dense as the smoke of burning bodies.

1/2

>>50403714
>But Se-Osiris laughed again. Then he took the darkness in his hands, crushed it together until it was no bigger than a ball such as children make of the dark clay beside the Nile, and tossed it out of the window. A third time the Ethiopian waved his arms, and this time he yelled as if the jaws of Apep had already closed upon him. At once a great sheet of fierce flame leapt up from the floor and moved forward as if to consume Pharaoh and all who stood beside him on the royal dais. But Se-Osiris laughed for the third time. Then he blew upon the sheet of flame, and it drew back and wrapped itself about the Ethiopian. There was one great cry, and then the flame dwindled and went out like a candle when all the wax is burnt away. On the floor in front of Pharaoh lay only a little pile of ash; and Se-Osiris said quietly, 'Farewell to the Son of Tnahsit! May his Ba dwell elsewhere for ever, and come not again to trouble Egypt or insult the good god Pharaoh - life, health, strength be to him!'

2/2

High temples of the gods would have animal representatives of each diety. Possibly giant versions imbued with magic powers.

The temple of Bast had many sacred cats that people were not allowed to touch.

The temple of Sobek had an enormous crocodile covered in jewels and gold.

The temple of Osiris had sacred fish that had, according to legend, eaten his penis and was the only part Isis failed to reattach to him after his jealous brother Set killed him and chopped him into pieces scattering them across the world.

>>50403687
>only I know what's fun
>everyone should only like the things the way I like them
t. fun-expert

>>50403674
No, you fucking idiots. It may surprise you, but death cult and health cults are something very, very different from a fertility cult.

One was OBSESSED with after-life and in particular with the physical state of your body after your death, the other with waking off into the river.

Neither of the cultures you mentioned had NEARLY as pronounced death cults, or medical knowledge as Egyptians. Assyrians in particular had particularly poorly developed after-life compared to Egyptians, and Scythians were steppe culture barely above Mongols that were in NO WAY exceptional or interesting due to their culture of health, body or medicine.

You fucking retard.

>>50403705
Keywords being "if you feel like it". No one ever said he SHOULD add all those things, just that he should pick whatever works for him, his players and their preferences.

Just that one splerglord that took the post too literal to begin with

>>50402128
>Cats are just a meme.

They fucking well were not, or at least they weren't by the time of the Middle and New Kingdoms.

>>50403733
>Being retarded
>Pretending it's the rest of the world
Nice tin hat you have

>>50403733
I thought all the Assyrians believed in some sort of frozen hellhole "the afterlife is then DMV" type shit where status in life determined the status in death in the clerical court, and the dead were faggots who would fuck your shit up if you didn't give them offerings.

Or am I thinking of that other Mesopotamian religion?

just dont include any muslim shitskins or WE WUZ KINGZ niggers in your fantasy egypt, real ancient egyptians before they mixed with the current muslims were tanned whites that gave out their royal family members for marriage to as far as ireland

>>50403893
>Or am I thinking of that other Mesopotamian religion?
Mesopotamia is a region that gave birth to multiple different cultures and civilizations, including Assyria and Babylon.
That said, from that description I can't really pinpoint where does that come from.

The main thing about Egyptian view of after-life, especially compared to say, Assyrian view of it, is that in Egyptian world-view: the AFTER LIFE IS WHAT MATTERS, and your entire real life is just kind of a build-up to it. Their culture was OBSESSED with death. Everything you did really mattered only from the prism of how it will influence your after-life. It's also why their medical knowledge was so insanely good - it was directly related to their obsession and anticipation of the after-life, as one of the beliefs included was that the state of the human soul in the after-life will be directly reflecting the physical state of the body in the real world. Hence the obsession with conservation of dead bodies, which has driven the interest in physicality of human body in the first place.
But it has been also the main MORAL motivator in Egyptian life too. Because not only your real "success" depended on your ability to secure your body and wealth for your burial, but your soul would also undergo an actual TRIAL in the afterlife, which is where really your righteous or evil actions will impact your existence.
So both interest in health, much of the wealth accumulation, AND most of moral reasoning in Egyptian culture were driven obsessively by events that are only going to take place after your death.

>>50403764
Fantastic fucking argument, kid.

>>50404052
Ah, now I see what you mean.

>>50403714
>>50403720
not as good as the one about the thief who was so good at thieving that the Pharaoh let him marry his daughter

I'm doing it by essentially ripping off this cover. Githyanki trapped on the world, they've taken over a region and made it essentially into fantasy egypt with their kind as the higher class/anointed people of the gods.

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>>50401084
Whoa sweaty

>>50404168
>Tell me why I had to be a Powerslave?
>I don't wanna die, I'm a God, why can't I live on?

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>>50403733
>Scythians were steppe culture barely above Mongols
>Implying there was any relation between those two
>Implying they were even comparable in any way

>>50404963
Except for both being steppe cultures, obviously. It's not like there is a highly recognizable pattern to virtually all steppe cultures across the world and history.

I'm still waiting for the evidence of Scythians of all cultures having exceptional cults of health and medicine. Care to provide those examples of use of complex medical procedures, including proto-antibiotics and repeated and even succesfull cancerous growth operations like we have documented in Egypt?

God damn you people are fucking idiots, that is beyond belief. You just threw around random culture name to look educated because you disliked being reminded that you know FUCK ALL about Egypt to begin with. Not even the most fucking basic stuff.

>>50405003
Anon, I've got news for you:
/tg/ is not run by two people.
I have no fucking clue what the fuck you want from me and I don't give a fuck about your stupid argument with different anon. But hey, if that's what keeps you going, then fine by me.

All I'm doing here is pointing out the fallacy-based "comparison" you made

>>50405041
Then maybe check out a conversation that you are butting in before saying something stupid yourself.

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>>50405059
It's not me getting ass-blasted about discussion on anonymous Chinese imageboard. Nor it's me sitting Scythians next to Mongols, because "muh steppe cultures". Neither I'm here to bother with you, so it's the last (You) I'm giving you

Stay mad, but stay out.

>>50402083
>Egyptians did not use slaves to build their monuments

Nope! They were just wageslaves. Their 'pay' was being allowed to keep more of their harvest, for the most part. Skilled tradesmen were probably full-time employees, though.
America has proven that slavery is bad if you want anything done right.

>>50402533
>>50402543
JAFFA, KREE!
God-tier villains.

Is England to blame for overhyping the Egyptians and making people think they actually did anything?

>>50405075
Actually, you are the one insulting people because they are talking about shit that YOU don't fucking understand, butting into a conversation you know nothing about, and then being so pathetic that you need to complain about others being mad (nothing in the universe shows more how fucking rattled you are) when they righteously call you an idiot, you fucking idiot.

>>50402203
Deviating slightly from Egyptian theme, since you mentioned massive "public" works and early Chinese dynasties
One of the theories behind creation of more complex governments in all early civilisations is entirely based on this huge manpower providing for the palace and irrigation systems, especially those preventing flood rather than spreading it further. Since such projects can't be just conducted locally, but rather require extensive groundwork on very large distances and areas, you need a government that controls it all, thus you "skip" the typical proto-feudal phase.
Egyptians are a funny case, because their irrigation system was all about spreading the flood, but since there was relatively small area of land to control (up until late 19th century Egypt as such was nothing else but thin strip of land on both sides of Nile, sea-shores and handful of oasis), Egypt never really developed into proto-feudalism and was stuck with palace economy forever, as there was simply no need to develop any better or more efficient form of governing.
So when Assyrians had to control all of Iraq and Hettites needed a firm rule over eastern Anatolia, not to mention conquest of other lands, Egyptians had to bother with literal handful of cities, bunch of large temples and that's it.

This eventually bite them in the ass, when they were unable to manage the manpower and "conscription" due to high level of decentralisation, while in theory being highly centralised government.

>>50405145
Nope.
French started it century earlier, but then Brits stole most of their research and hyped it even futher.

Daily reminder that if not Naploenic intervention into Egypt, we would be still unable to read hieroglyphes.

Also, keep in mind Egyptians left something lasting. Compare them with Sumerians, who were pretty much the same level of development in every single regard, but instead build everything from clay. By the time of "ancient hype", there was nothing left of them and nobody even had records about them.

>>50405145
They did anatomy better than anyone else up until early modern period, since they were busy carving their dead for centuries, while everyone else considered it haram.
But that's about it.

>>50403722
>The temple of Bast had many sacred cats that people were not allowed to touch.
And I bet those smug bastards knew that, and chased people around, or sat there taunting them with their soft un-petted fur.
And I bet the priests got to pet them anyway.

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>>50401084
Black people.

>>50405251
Anon, the key word is "people". People weren't allowed to pet touch them. Priest could, did and had to.

You know, they were running the biggest cat daycare ever existing in history.

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>>50405457
>Your job for life is petting cats

>>50405457
>You know, they were running the biggest cat daycare ever existing in history.

I don't even want to imagine the fucking smell.

>>50405564
Hey now, these were outdoor cats. Also, it's a temple. What kind of temple isn't burning fragrant materials?

>>50402360
Why those feet?

>>50405564
It's Egyptian temple. That means two things:
>Shitload of incense burning everywhere
>Keeping the place clean by default
And in case of this particular temple
>The smell of nearby Nile water killing everything else
Since the temple was covering 80% of a small island with infamously muddy shore

>>50405599
>The smell of nearby Nile water killing everything else
the creation myth for the Nile was a god ejaculating it out. Which is why pharaohs sometimes ritually masturbated into it. I wonder how Cleopatra got away with that.

>>50405723
By being Greek ruler over heavily hellenised country. And 7th bearer of that name.

Anon, Egypt by the time Ptolemic dynasty took over was pretty much dead culturally.

>>50405756
ah, I only have a cursory knowledge of egypt. Always was more into ww1 and 2 europe.

>>50401084
Just pick some shit from the other 1348726 egypt based fantasy/sci-fi nations that already exist.

>>50405773
Then the Egypt you probably think about cease to exist around 1000 BC. Ptolemy took over in 320s BC, styling himself as a pharaoh in 305 BC. Cleopatra VII was born in 69 BC.
So roughtly an entire millenia after New Kingdom of Egypt collapsed and turned into bunch of squabbling states for next 500 years, after which it was conquered by Persians.

>>50401260
>it is believed that Cleopatra may have created a vibrator for herself using bees

This could only go well.

>>50402332
>worst version

I don't even know why they changed it. It was originally in English. I mean, this doesn't even read like it's done by somebody with a strong grasp of the English language.

>>50402869
>becoming high priestess required you to have slept with 1000 different men, it's possible the entry requirements were relaxed for the Pharaoh but given Egyptian conservatism, unlikely
I think that's the only time I've ever heard of a "conservative" society insisting on promiscuity.

>>50408697
is not if its religion
and its probably bullshit

>>50401084
I never had understod that "delicious brown" thing until now.
Thanks op.

>>50407354
Truly the pinnacle of the ancient world. Pyramids, agriculture, and bee-powered genital jigglers.

>>50401827
He's not basing his entire argument on modern Egypt. Ancient Egypt would obviously be very conservative but conservative from its own frame of reference.

OP can't go in a fantasy setting based on Ancient Egypt and assume people living in a setting like that to be liberal. And he isn't hating on copts, nor are they based.

>overglorified Chalcolithic era civilisation
Bullshit. Memphis would look far from something that looks like the typical Chalcolithic settlment.

>>50410912
the interesting part is that it's unlikely Cleopatra invented it herself, which leads to one of two possibilities. Either she employed a scholar to invent a vibrator for her (which must have been a strange royal summons) or some scholar invented it then thought to himself 'you know who'd love one of these'

>>50405261

The despised and vile Kush will be there as well I'm sure.

>>50411191
>Pretending Egyptians weren't bunch of primitives stacking stones together into neat constructions, but still made out of raw stone stacked together
>Pretending they ever mastered metal use on their own
>Pretending they've developed technically beyond typical Chalcolithic tech at all
>Pretending that all doesn't make them into overglorified Chalcolithic civilisation

Next thing you will say Classical Period in Mesoamerica was anything else than pure Neolite, because they've builded pyramids back then.

>>50405846

Wait, I thought Cambyses conquered Egypt in the 500's and Ptolemy only took over after Alexander smashed up the Achaemenid empire?

>>50410912
>>50411243

Didn't she just kick a bees nest until it shook with rage and then straddle it like a sybian? Funny imagining her excusing herself for some private time only to come back chirpy, satisfied, and covered in bee stings.

Drawfagging when?

>>50405148
He's right, you kind of are an idiot.

>>50401742
>>50401733
she makes me slightly less racist

>>50401649
>implying
So archaeologists were like "women's dresses would have been loose-fitting, but they're painted as if they have no slack at all and would show off their bodies well"
Sometimes, the answer is both.

>>50403893
That sounds like the Chinese afterlife. One giant DMV where you have to wait in line to be sorted into various Buddhist/Taoist Hells before you can reincarnate. If your family burns hell banknotes you can bribe the officials, but otherwise hell will be a relief once you are done waiting in line.

>>50403893
IIRC, at least for the Sumerians, everyone in the everyone dies (except gods) and everyone in the afterlife is equal
The only problem being the afterlife is pretty shit where you basically just serve the gods and eat dirt
No hell, but no paradise either

>>50414204
*everyone dies (except gods)

>>50401511
It's nonsummerjack. She likes cosplaying as delicious brown sluts.

>>50403015
Actually, most VD's have come from the Americas. Like Syphilis and Gonorrhea. Comparatively few have come from the Old World, or have only come from the Old World in modern times, like AIDS.

>>50414615
>come from the Americas
USA always does like to be the first at everything.

>>50414615

Syphilis
>The first written records of an outbreak of syphilis in Europe occurred in 1494 or 1495 in Naples, Italy, during a French invasion (Italian War of 1494–98).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#History
http://archive.archaeology.org/9701/newsbriefs/syphilis.html

Gonorrhea
>Earliest records of the disease are found from 1611 when the English parliament enacted a law to ensure that the spread of the infection is decreased and curbed.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Gonorrhea-History.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonorrhea#History

>>50414992
nigga don't just partly take the facts like that

>The exact origin of syphilis is disputed.[3] Syphilis was definitely present in the Americas before European contact,[49] and it may have been carried from the Americas to Europe by the returning crewmen from Christopher Columbus's voyage to the Americas; or it may have existed in Europe previously, but went unrecognized until shortly after Columbus returned.These are referred to as the Columbian and pre-Columbian hypotheses, respectively.

the gonorrhea one right tho

>>50411613
I didnt know i had a bee sting fetish, but i do now.

>>50411311
You know, for somebody who clearly worships the modern incarnation of Kek, you don't have much respect for his culture.

>>50411191
>OP can't go in a fantasy setting based on Ancient Egypt and assume people living in a setting like that to be liberal.
Of course he can. It's still a fantasy setting. OP can do whatever he wants.

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>>50403464
The only thing worse is "let's take civs from completely different periods and put them INNN SPAAAAACE" like I'm doing with my space opera novel.

>>50416555

please list all fappable (not)humans

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>>50415889
... this comeback is actually pretty good

>>50416509
This

I'm sick and tired of the "b-but the real ones..."
For Christ sake, you are making a fantasy setting with badly researched real-life cultures, to the point they are in name only in most cases, yet people go assblasted if you don't make it "like the real one". If it was like the real one, it would no longer be a fantasy setting nor it would be possible to conduct with a text 5 pages long.

I remember when I was making a draft for a race in pre-existing setting, which was basically combination of mid-Song and early Ming dynasties, since lo and behold, I've got a proper degree to dig into it. And after half a year of research I've ended up with a draft that was barely sketching the "landscape" of the race, which was 200 pages long. I basically wrote a book about differences between Song and Ming China.
The draft I've presented to the guy outsourcing me was 15 pages long and he still declared it "waaaay too long and complex", while it was butchered to bare minimum. The final version was 5 pages long. It is laughable from the point of view of research and content it transits.

So pretending 5 pages long text is capable of properly describing something in the fantasy setting more complex than single object is delusion. You can't. This way any pretense of making it "like the real one" is fucking pointless and simply impossible.

>>50415889
>>50417854
Ok, jokes aside, Egyptians tech-wise were utter shit. And to qualify as Chalcolithic all you need to do is never fully switch for bronze or iron, while knowing metal casting and forging.
Which perfectly describes them. The general level of technology and know-how Egyptians had was a fucking joke. Like one of the anons already mentioned, the only thing they really developed was anatomy, which was inevitable, given their burial rituals. Everything else was stone age tech, with metal applied here and there. And said metal being copper, native to those few small strips of land bearing any mineral resources in Egypt.

>>50417956
>>50411311
What about the khopesh? I thought it was a pretty advanced weapon. Also their gold jewelry was pretty good.

card games

>>50418074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ehL5DF6BqU

>>50418029
>Also their gold jewelry was pretty good.
Gold is very easy to work with becuase of how soft and stretchy, so that don't really means a lot.
>>50417898
The best way to approach world building is starting from the bottom ie the characterist of the environments and basic sociocultural frameworks of the setting and build up from there rather than starting coming with a idea and trying to brute force it into a pre-established setting.

>>50418029
>Bizzarly shaped axe made out of hardened copper
>When everyone else is busy using bronze swords for stabbing and slashing
>Still a thing when iron rolls around

Yep, so advanced...

And like the other anon said, you can work with gold without even knowing anything about forging and casting. It's literally one of the easiest metals to work with, since it's perfectly possible to cold-hammer it.

>>50418099
Hey, I was just doing a well-paid outsource. Not my fault someone insisted he wants to add Not!China into a setting that could be best described in "theocratic vikings rule over Not!Europe" and the other places being completely out of the scope of the setting.

They paid me better than my uni for that half a year. And I've developed my own setting for games for students.

>>50418257
What setting was that?

>>50418294
Business secret. But the game should hit stores by 2018

>>50418099
>environmental determinism

>>50418327
The China anon here.
While determinism is always god-awful, it's still a very important element of civilisation. I hate people who treat it as the main reason why things go as they did, but pretending it's not one of the most important factors is just as bad.

>>50418327
Hence why I also include "basic sociocultural framework" and "build up from there".
>>50418317
>>50418341
Can't you tell even the system it is supposed to run?

>>50418327
>Not believing in determinism
I am seriously hoping you guys don't do this.

>>50401084
An extremely powerful priesthood.

God Kings.

Lots and lots of different animal gods and their religious festivals.

An upper and lower kingdom. Bonus points if the upper kingdom is south of the lower kingdom.

Foreign invaders conquering the place from time to time and setting up dynasties of their own which rules the notegyptians untill the natives are fed up and retake control of the state.

Having atleast one powerful neighbour to compete for the hegemony of a border region with.

No body hair allowed. Fake beards if required.

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>>50418413
>Believing
See, that's your problem. You believe. It's not about believing, you dolt, but about the basic fact determinism is not the only nor most dominant factor.

But sure, let's bring belief to the discussion about socio-science, what could possibly go wrong

>>50418451
>Foreign invaders conquering the place from time to time and setting up dynasties of their own which rules the notegyptians untill they assimilate completely with local culture and are conquered yet again by fresh batch of outsiders
Here, FTFY

>>50418451
>An upper and lower kingdom. Bonus points if the upper kingdom is south of the lower kingdom.

You must be some sort of troglodyte to not understand this.
Upper Egypt is in upper run of the Nile, you fucking mouth-breathing moron. Lower Egypt is - you guessed it - in the lower flow of the Nile. I mean that's one of the first things kids are taught in elementry when the subject is environment - to understand what upper, middle and lower run of any giver river means and how they are characterised. A fucking 8 years old is smarter than you are.

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>>50418493
Yeah, I realized shortly after I had hit post that I worded that poorly. The point still stands anything but a deterministic world view is pantsu on head retarded. The world works on cause and effect, nothing else to it.

>>50418576
Determinism undervalues simple issue - human factor.
You can easily end up with situation where something is done contrary to what logic and determinism dictates, because the people behind it decided to do differently, while acting on the same input that should obviously send them on the "only right way".

This is something that determinism is absolutely unable to adress - the fact people make choices OTHER than the "most profitable".

Let's see... female genital mutilation. Try to explain that with determinism. Go on.
How about celebrating great historical FAILURES, like Poles and their obsession about failed uprisings?
Then what about Inuits hating sweet taste, while by all logic they should fucking love it like everyone else, since they live in an environment where getting as much energy as quickly and efficiently as possible is a top priority?

Should I keep going?

Determinism can make a marvelous theories, that have one thing in common - they oversimplify everything to single, maybe two factors and openly ignores everything else.
That's not how science works.

>>50402128
>And that's if we already skip the so-called "Late Bronze collapse", which is discredited theory at this point anyway.

What did anon mean by this? "Late Bronze Age Collapse" is the name for a period of time, not a specific theory. Unless anon is trying to say that the affected regions were not in fact affected, that the destroyed cities were not in fact destroyed, and etc etc.

>>50418546
what did he say to imply that he didn't understand that idea?

>>50418755
>Bonus points if the upper kingdom is south of the lower kingdom.
This?

It strongly implies he doesn't understand WHY they were called the way they were

>>50418792
no it just says that it's counter to how you would assume it's named since usually north=up

>>50418694
Anon, here is a clue - late bronze collapse is no longer a thing for past 30 years. The longer it is analised, the less proof there is there was any sort of "collapse". There are no signs of actual climate change in that period (the basis for the theory), there are no real signs of massive warfare that the theory suggest took place and there are no physical or cultural evidences anything like that happend at all.

And it's a scientifically proven and accepted the theory is just a dead-end which hampered the shitload of research for entire decades, based on wild guesses.
Time to update your library, really.

Because if you are going to insist LBC was/is a thing, then you are literally quoting outdated and discredited sources.

Coincidently, this also is about determinism, which this thread already discussed. You see, the entire theory is based on deterministic - if there are less sources for period from X to Y, it must mean there had to be some nasty shit going around.
How about basic logic of them not surviving, when you are also facing a shitload of evidences there was no societal disruption at all?

>>50418810
... which goes back to not understanding how naming of countries works. as it's a dominant way of marking places with upper and lower name - by the flow of the river in given region. If things are actually about geographical orientation, they are called North(ern) and South(ern).

Assuming you are not the original anon, you too just made an ass of yourself.

>>50418830

kek I'll just trust you on this one since I also have a history degree and realize how frustrating it is when anons try to tell you about a period you've actually studied, but their knowledge is based on pop culture. My entire knowledge of the period is based on one class 15 years ago :^)

That said
>scientifically proving a historiographical classification
lol.

>>50418865
Funny thing, because in my language and "national" historiography there isn't even a name for that period or any cesure to describe things between 1000-700 BC as single, all-in period.
Perks of being former commie nation I guess, so you don't have to deal with Anglosaxon historiography.

>>50418810
>since usually north=up
Only if you are European or of European descent.

>>50418865
Not him, but late bronze collapse corresponds to two different things:
Historical theory about said collapse
Name of the period when it supposedly happend

One is not the other and it causes now a lot of issues, since the theory is fully discredited, mostly thanks to extensive archeological works during Iraq invasion and glaciologists working on both poles for last 50 or so years. So the theory is dead, but the name of the period is already established in historiography of few different countries, which would require to rewrite a LOT of books and even cancell certain titles, since people made their Masters and other shit, writing about the collapse.

>>50418942
as the vast majority of people on this site are

>>50418968

That was actually my original point but I think language barriers caused anon to misunderstand; see
>>50418897

No worries though, I think the issue has been worked out. Thanks for trying to clear it up, anon.

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>>50418985
During American daytime hours, I guess

>>50419016

How many third worlders even have internet?

Flags on /pol/, /int/ etc are usually mostly European countries and the Anglosphere. During the US nighttime, Ausfags and Kiwis take over the shitposting.

>>50419040
>Using /pol/ users as example of anything than /pol/ traffick
Anon, ask yourself this - what should third-worlders even do on a board created to contain first-worlder idiots?

But hey, it's like that 80s advertising for D&D, where being of Irish descent was the biggest variety the marketing department could afford

>>50419070

> first-worlder idiots

Yeah anon, having a functional country is really stupid. Haha dumb first worlders with their economies and democracies and having enough food.

>>50419104
Here is your (You), now post Bronze Age stuff or be gone

>>50419118
>Insult people because they live in the first world
>Get butthurt when they insult you back for not living in the first world

I'm not the one fishing for (You)s, shitposter. That'd be (You).

Although it just occurred to me that maybe what you meant was that only the subset of first worlders who are idiots post on /pol/, rather than trying to say "all first worlders are idiots", which is what your first post suggested. In that case, my bad but l2English

So, let's set the train back on the rails.

Any ideas for NEIGHBOURS of the Egyptians? I'm not talking about all the mighty empires, the Not!Persia and Non-Hatti. I'm talking about all the small, relatively powerless dots on the map, like, say Phoenician city states or early Kush.

>>50401649
Sheer dresses make best milk.

>>50419197
Basically, there were Jews, Berbers, and Sinai nomads.

>>50401084
More pictures of nonsummerjack

>>50418576
The world works on cause and effect, but the causes, effects and relationships between the two are vastly more complicated than anyone can possibly handle.

It's like the weather. Theoretically we can predict the weather from the dawn of time until the end of the universe, but realistically there are so many variables and such subtle non-linear relationships between these variable that we can predict the weather a few in advance.

>>50419197
Raiding nomads living in the wide open desert could be your typical barbarians. A low-level party might be tasked with fending off a group that's been particularly troublesome, or tracking them down and killing their leaders, etc.

There's also Sea People.

>>50418607
>Inuits hating sweet taste
What? Is this a thing?

>>50418942
And from after 1750, there are a shocking number of maps from 1600-1750 with the north not up

>>50401084
I'd like to round out her nation

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>>50419197
Greek colonies (maybe a little too late but from the 8 century bc you see a lot of greek city states appearing on the southern meditarenean border. especially in modern Libia and modern Eastern Egypt. There is also the tribes from the deserts, which are not all berber, berbers are from the western Sahara mostly. There were a lot of different tribes back then, the Gaetuli and Garamantes are from Roman times but their ancestors would have been running around.

>>50419589
I've had Greenlandic coffee, as well as biscuits.

It's not a thing.
They're not big on candy though.

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Egyptian tropes and lite-history-RPGing are like 50% of my reason for running Dark Sun. The other half being delicious sword-and-sandals, brown butts and defiling.

>That feel when you can comfortably have Egyptian style arcitecture alongside other non contemporary cultures and groups because everyone's hiding in the Tyr Valley because of magic apocalypse

It explains the next door neighbor shit while also being a fun and exciting way to mash together armies of different tech and magic levels. Dark sun is best Egyptian ripoff setting.

>>50419589
Inuits are eager to eat fat-high things, since duh, fat. They don't mind bitter taste, since their contact with bitter plants (which are normally toxic or simply very unpleasant) is nonexisting. And they don't like sweet, but nobody knows why. They react to it how children react for first time eating a lemon.

Nobody knows why, because humans are rigged to like sweet taste, at it means basic sugars, which means easy-accessable energy, which Inuits should love, given they burn on average 1,5 more calories by just living around the Pole, not to mention doing anything physical.

>>50404107
Would you tell us that one?

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>>50420564

Maybe it's due to a lack of refined, plant-based sugars in their diet? Imagine if you had never had an apple your whole life. Then you eat one and it's an overload of flavors--most of which your tongue is completely unprepared for. Maybe it's just too much information for the taste buds after years of high-fat meats.

While we're on settings, I've always wanted to do an Inuit based world, with spirits and aurora borealis prophecies and such. Not to mention qt Inuit girls.

>that feel when you'll never snuggle under warm furs with your Native waifu while snow howls outside

feels bad famalamalam

>>50420625
Read Inuit legends. They are pretty dope, but in the same time entirely relatabla for outsiders (so it's not like, say, Aborigines and their myths, which make almost no sense to non-Abbo) and great for fantasy settings. And most importantly - they are well-researched by Inuits themselves, so it's not like you are dealing with some sort of reinterpretation done by white dudes from mid 19th century

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>Egyptian PCs
>Pic related

>>50420625

My experience with an arctic themed game was that it started off Bear Grylls style, adventuring as we ran towards what we thought was the nearest point of civilization, but then it devolved to Resource Management and Gathering: The Excel Sheet: The Game

>>50420564
I can find nothing confirming this
>>50420625
They do have wild berries they supplement their diets with. Can't comment of their taste though

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>>50420718

>but then it devolved to Resource Management and Gathering: The Excel Sheet: The Game

What system were you using that actually required non-narrative counting of resources?

>>50420764
Not him, but Twilight 2000 comes to mind. Either count everything and preferably have a DEDICATED party accountant, or you are fucked. As in - "raped in the ass and killed" fucked

>>50420726
Wild berries growing beyond 60th parallel are sour.

>>50420605
so a pharaoh had a bunch of jewels and treasure and became scared of people stealing it so he got his best builder to construct an impenetrable vault in which to store it, however the builder felt he wasn't getting paid enough and built a secret entrance so he could top off his salary as needed. This went on for many years, he didn't take enough the Pharaoh would notice though. Eventually on his deathbed he told his two sons of the secret tunnel. Now they were no where near as cautious as their father and the Pharaoh started to notice his massive pile of gold become a less massive pile of gold and had traps set for the thief. The next night the brothers snuck in and one was caught in a snare, realizing they'd never get him out before the guards arrived the other cut his head off and escaped with it, so the guards wouldn't know who was responsible. The Pharaoh of course wanted to find out who the now headless thief was, so he had the body displayed, confidant that his family would come to retrieve it so that it could be buried properly, so the thief disguised himself as a wine merchant and pretended to break his gourds in front of the guards 'oh no, who will help me drink all this wine before it spills', the guards got drunk, passed out, and his brother's body was taken and buried. So the Pharaoh tried something else, he disguised his daughter as a foreign princess and had her come to the gates and told the people that she would take the man who had done the wickedest and most clever thing as her husband. The thief knew this was a trap and so took the severed arm of a criminal before hand, that night he appeared in the princess' chambers and said 'the wickedest thing I have done is steal from the Pharaoh's own vault, and the cleverest was taking my brother's body back from under his guards' noses' the princess then grabbed his arms and called for the guards but when they arrived she was left holding a severed arm and he was gone.

1/2

>>50420664
The ones I read were all about cursed / magical vaginas and penises.

>>50420899
At this point the Pharaoh basically decided 'alright clearly this guy is smarter than any of my current courtiers, so let it be known that I've officially pardoned him and want him to come work in my court' and he did and then was married to the Pharaoh's daughter

>>50401827
>lack of natural resources of any kind
>has the most fertile land and access to fresh water of anyone around them
>plentiful gold, lapis, and limestone mines

??????

>>50420899
>>50420935
Hmm, I know that tale. I'm pretty sure it was part of a collection of ancient mythology retelling called "The Stories Beneath the Sun" I've used to love as a kid. It actually sparked a fascination with Egypt in me that lasted for some five years.

>>50404168
They should have stopped at 2 stair cases. Then they wouldn't have to use the dick as a door.

>>50401733
>>50401742

One of the few characters which are good (except last season,which was horrid for everyone) in both book and show.

And yes, not keeping your options open when there is so much tastefulness on display in this world..

How barbaric

>>50402360
>White
>Blonde
>Ugly ass feet
Where are my delicious brown waifus anon?

>>50421016
Let's see...
No metal deposits of any industrial use
Farmland in not everything, anon. Especially if it's relatively tiny strip that gives 2:1 grain due to utterly shit farming techniques.
And limestone is useless, if you are not making concrete, so... yeah.

Compare that with Greeks. Or Assyrians. Or Hatti. Or just about anyone. Egypt was just a huge-ass desert with tiny strip of fertile land. The moment they've lost control of Sinai, they didn't even have copper.

And since Egypt predominately had enemies or fierce rivals and didn't exactly grasped trade other than barter, they've ended up fucked by outsiders before anyone even invaded them.

>>50401084
My heart wants to see this semen demon getting fucked real hard, but my brain know it'd be a tiny Asian penis covered in mosaic and just generally looks like shit.

Damn you, brain...

>>50421016
Reminder that all that egyptian bronze was made using Cornish tin.
That's right, tin from Cornwall. in England.
They've also found Welsh gold in the tombs.

There was a lot of trading going on.

>>50423736
and they somehow got cocaine

>>50405594
Because she's probably in her 50's, judging by those stretch marks.

>>50403705
I've seen the light. No one ever actually has fun with 40k, because your masterful elite grasp of what fun is and must be cannot be denied.

Both you and other anon kill yourselves, this level of autism will only drag down the board.

>>50421147
>Not wanting all your thousands of worshippers to walk under a 100ft wide, exquisitely crafted, exact replica of your asshole.
As a god-king, you are pleb tier.

>>50401523
You're misrepresenting the astonishing development of Egyptian culture in favor of a bizarre theory of stagnation.

Incidentally the Pharoah you're thinking of is Akenhaten, also called Amunhotep, who abandoned the Egyptian religion to establish a monolatristic faith centered around worship of the Aten, which was the embodiment of the disc of the sun. There are some interesting similarities with the Roman emperor Elagabalus' ascension and fall. Notably, both attempted to replace the state religious apparatus with a sun god oriented cult, and both suffered damnatio memoriae after their deaths.

Anyway, Akenhaten and his cult are a significant plot point in the MMO The Secret World, which I'm going to shill right now as being on sale for 5 dollars and having a lot of good ideas for people interested in running new weird campaigns.

>>50424890
Personally, I'd have my worshipers put a bee colony in there and collect the honey as it drips out.

But that's just me.

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Where the fuck are the pictures of fantastic pharaohs? Glowy motherfuckers with gold and colored cloth and shit.

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Pictures of Fantasy Egypt? Here's one by the one and only Keith Parkinson.

>>50418810
>>50418942
No, just Americans, since the Mississippi and Hudson both flow south. The Netherlands and Lower Saxony are in the north, and High Germany is in the south, because the Rhein flows north.

>>50425447
Actually, the point here is that we are used to think in categories of south and north, which are dictated by earth's magnetic poles and our pretty deeply internalized orientation based on knowing what a compass is. That is why we categorize things that are north as "up" and things that are south as "down", it's just a really old customary way to depict things in cartography.
Egypt was not aware of the magnetite properties, neither had it developed an arbitrary decision to orient maps in an up-north-down-south fashion, and since their life revolved around a river, which flows downhill, they adopted that terminology. That is really the whole story.

>>50418546
The Nile flows north rather than south dude.

>>50401084
Holy fuck this picture is hot. I need more

>>50403601
That's what the setting is missing.

Exodia.

>>50426697
This

>>50426697
>>50427486
Read the thread instead of making useless posts that contribute nothing.

Christ.

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Go play void pyramid

>>50403714
>white dog

Don't let the African KANGZ hear you

>>50428691
Like they actually read anything. That might threaten their narrative.

>>50426413
And you don't even grasp the point...

>>50403720
>Then he took the darkness in his hands, crushed it together until it was no bigger than a ball such as children make of the dark clay beside the Nile, and tossed it out of the window
>tossed it out the window
I'm not sure why this made me laugh, maybe it was the image of some peasant randomly finding Ball of Pure Darkness (TM)

>>50425152
That fucking axe ruins it all

>>50417956
>The general level of technology and know-how Egyptians had was a fucking joke.

They kinda were considered the source of humanity's mathematical knowledge back in the days...

>>50423772
More likely some stupid brit snorted a line on some mummy.

>>50433555
Also remarkable logistics, architecture, and irrigation, that is all not mentioning their medical knowledge and practice, which frankly was unmatched until perhaps 18th century. The guy is completely full of shit, it's just another typical case of "I'm proving how edgy and cool I am by saying something that is popular actually sucked".

>>50417956
>Please ignore all the Arabic influences still in Science
>Making some of the biggest man made structures in the world that sync perfectly up to astrological phenomena doesn't count
>Having one of the best and most complex mummification processes in the world doesn't count either

>>50423772
To my mind, that's likely an artifact of the preservation. That, or someone traded coca leaves across the Pacific.

>>50433650
>Ancient Egypt
>Arabic influences
Have you tried eating bullet recently? You totally should

Fucking STONEHENGE is in sync with astrological phenomena, you moron. And please, tell us how putting dead into salt and then bandaging them makes Ancient Egyptia...

... you know what? Screw it. You basically don't understand what Chalcolithic is about, instead making the most retarded argumentation possible to defend some stupid case in tune of "b-but they weren't primitives", while missing the point by fucking miles

>>50433936
>STONEHENGE is in sync
WAS in sync, when it was built. Our orbit has since shifted.

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>>50434031
>He thinks this doesn't apply to pyramids too

>>50433650
Anon, explain to us all the hell Arabs have to do with Ancient Egypt. Because I've might have missed something in your logic.

>>50433936
>what Chalcolithic is about,
As somebody who actually does know what that word means, kid: it does not mean "I'm gonna use it as a shitty excuse to be contrarian AND pretentious at the same time!"
You've been on this for three days now: repeatedly making shitty, vapid and ungrounded statement and whenever you are being questioned (which is all the time, seeing as how completely full of shit you are), you end up screaming "but chalcolithic! I KNOW THE WORD CHALCOLITHIC SO I'M TOTALLY RIGHT!"
It's fucking pathetic, kid. Fuck off already.

>>50433650
>T-they builded in sync with starts!
So did all Neolitic civilisations and cultures, while being even more primitive than Egyptians. Literally everyone and their dog made a lasting pile of stones of different shapes in full sync with the night sky, or at least the night sky in times it was stacked up.

>>50434121
>Here is my counter-argument
>It's a long venting how I don't have arguments at all and will try ad-homs instead
Tought shit, mate.

And this might surprise you, but there are more than 2 people on /tg/

Egyptians are the fucking epitome of Chalcolithic culture - great copper and gold working, absolutely lack of understanding of proper metallurgy required for forging, getting obsolete around 1200 BC and soon after spiralling into a rump-state and then 10 different countries (and counting) until being finally subjogated by Persians and never regaining former "glory".
Their biggest achievements are all Neolitic-tier. Temples and architecture? Big, but that's mostly it, since they've lacked know-how to even make proper roofs, unless the walls were inclined. Their biggest achievement was figuring out columns, but that's like saying their achievement was breathing - it's the size that's impressive, not the invention itself.
Then we have thier Math, or rather lack of it, copying all the shit from Sumerians, Assyrians and other "pesky Easterners". And lack of any economy of sorts.

You are going to bring cultural achievements for sure, like the vivid mythology... Aborigines and Polynesians have those too, while being hunter-gatherers unable to properly work fucking stone.

Chalcolithic, like all the markers in their group, represent raw technological knowhow, based predominately on tools used and known applications. Egyptians barely grasped metal working in the most primitive form. And no wonder, since there are no metal deposits in Egypt and were none.

>>50434121
>>50434216
Oh, and before you run some shit in tune "b-but irrigation".
Nile is one of those rivers that DOESN'T need irrigation up until you decide to spread farmland. Unlike Tiger and Euphrates, which have irregular floods and require retention, or Huang He, which overflows everything and thus needs regulation, Nile is self-regulating. You don't even need farming tools of any importance, since each year a fresh dose of silt is distributed in the river valley, so you don't even need to plow it for growing crops.

But hey. mighty Egyptians, right?

Seriously, it's 150 years after the hype for Ancient Egypt and we are still dealing with the damage it caused.

>>50434216
For starters, you are the only one repeating the SAME FUCKING BULLSHIT argument over and over and over again for THREE FUCKING DAYS, kid. Who the fuck are you trying to lie about all this shit not being you again?
Second of all, I'm actually arguing with a person who uses the term "chalcolithic" (which does not need to be capitalized, by the way) as an EVALUATIVE fucking term - literally as an excuse to make shitty hipster claims how shit Egypt was. That alone is so fucking pathetic it actually shows that any further discussion is pointless and that your lack even the most rudimentary historical education.
Third: when it comes to claims like
>Then we have thier Math, or rather lack of it, copying all the shit from Sumerians, Assyrians and other "pesky Easterners". And lack of any economy of sorts.
I'd say "citations needed" but not really. This is so all such a mindboggling load of bullshit and conjectures and often flat out WRONG (you are arguing at the SAME TIME that Egypt lacked natural resources, including metal, but at the same time you claim they had no trade and the fact that metallic tools were used equally as frequently as in other comparable societies: you are directly contradicting yourself, outside of flat-out lying. You complain about lack of roofs and forgetting that it's a culture living in an environment without rains or snow, meaning the lack of roofing was just result of roofs not being fucking NEEDED etc... This is a joke, pathetic fucking joke and you need fucking rethink your life.

Oh yeah, >>50434240
>Nile is one of those rivers that DOESN'T need irrigation up until you decide to spread farmland.
That kinda being the point. The whole "spreading the farmland" you fucking mongoloids. Yes, RIVERS DON'T NEED IRRIGATION. FARMLAND does. And Egypt spread the farmland on roughly three or four times of the natural flooding region of Nile (which is a strip that stretches barely a mile outside of the river bank).
With that, I'm done.

>All this passive-aggressive bullshit
This was such a nice Saturday thread... I should let it die on Sunday morning rather than bumping it from the brink of archive.

>>50434216
>Their biggest achievements are all Neolitic-tier

So were the Romans'.

>>50434424
>Best metal casters around in their times
>Brick, concrete and mortar
>Arcs and domes
>Crankshaft
>Fluid mechanics
>Geodesy
>HUUUUR NEOLITIC

We get it, you are butthurt about Egyptians, but why lying on anonymous Vietnamese internet board?

>>50434424
>THE Iron Age civ
>Neolitic-tier

Words cannot describe

>>50434216
>have all the spare manpower to build all those fuckhuge monument on a daily basis
>"lack of any economics of sorts"

I don't know much about egypt, but i can recognize bullshit when i read it.

>>50434121
Surprise, surprise, but chalcolithic and Chalcolith are both proper terms with scientific backing and perfectly describing the state of affairs in Ancient Egypt ever since Old Kingdom, lasting up until the final phases of Third Intermediate Period, 2000 years later.

Are you at least aware Kemet cease to be a political and cultural entity somewhere around 1000 BC?

>>50434564
Anon, please tell us how "You will be fed for working for the ruler" can be described as economy?
Or how does barter exchange can be called economy?

Apparently for you if there are workers, that means a free-market, currency-based economic model and open trade flow going, right?

>>50434564
>Public works means economy
Going back to that Stonehenge example, apparently Neolitic "Brits" were total whizzes of economy

>>50434564
>I don't understand what palace economy is and how it works: The Post

Don't Americans have a saying going somewhere around "If you are neck-deep in shit - maybe stop digging deeper"?

>>50434570
>Surprise, surprise, but chalcolithic and Chalcolith are both proper terms with scientific backing and perfectly describing the state of affairs in Ancient Egypt ever since Old Kingdom,
Yeah. Except they are not evaluative. Also, the capitalization is still wrong. If you had ANY actual academic understanding of history, one of the first things you'd learn is that using descriptory academic terminology as evaluative is one of the most immature, dumb, and despised practice you could ever do. It's like the history 101: we are not naive evolutionarists anymore, we don't we do not confuse classification and evaluation. Meanwhile, you are literally using that term as a weapon in which you even fucking ADMITTED is a crusade again "glorification of Egypt". I really, really can't stress out enough how fucking sad and cringeworthy that is, ESPECIALLY if you are misusing academic terminology in the process and you are repeatedly lying in the process too, in order to give your sad insecure little tirade greater seeming of validity.

It's beyond fucking sad. Just fuck off. Nobody fucking cares really, you are just insulting the actual historical and archeological professions in the process. Fuck. Off.

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>>50434691
>Here is yet another batch of ad-homs, because I still have absolutely no arguments whatsoever

But thanks for derailing the thread to the point of FUBAR, I guess at least that worked out for you.

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>>50434691
What nobody really cares about is your constant shitposting. This thread was doing pretty fine for two days. Given the subject, it's amazing it wasn't wrecked in first few hours.

Cue you and your angry rants.
Rants that brought no substance, but a lot of passive-aggressive bullshit and for last 50 or so posts there is nothing else but you and your clickbait.

So congratulations, you get what you wanted.

>>50434452
>>50434513
>Brick, concrete and mortar
Pre-pottery technologies, Anon.

>Best metal casters around in their times
>Arcs and domes
>Fluid mechanics
>Geodesy
Technologies invented by and adapted from other, technologically non-autistic cultures.

>Crankshaft
Curiously popular in the hellenistic east, curiously absent outside of it.

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>>50434787
Please let this be just a bait...

>>50402203
Well, isn't this how every communist regime has worked in practice?

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>>50405100

>>50435081
>le communism bait
As if this thread couldn't go any lower...

Here is a clue - educate yourself what communism is even about. There is literally nothing more pathetic than burgers repeating like mantra 50s slogans and still living in some bi-polar world.
Oh, wait, there is something more pathetic - it's non-burgers buying 50s burger slogans and applying them.

>>50401633
If you're into horses, perhaps.

>>50434839
Should we go through it item by item?
>mortar and concret are plasters, which take lower heat to produce than fired pottery, plaster has been used in floor screed as far back as the stone age, mortar has been with us since the earliest known civilizations
>bricks date back to Mesopotamia, once again, no firing required to make those
>metal casting was a bronze age technology that probably reached its aphex on hellenistic ship ramming horns
>arcs and domes originate in the near- and middle eastern empires
>fluid mechanics were developed by the Greeks
>geodesy dates back to stone age&the early civilizations

Romans done shit.

>>50435163
>t. butthurt commie

>>50435081
Regimes that call themselves communist tend to very rapidly transform into tyrannical oligarchies or dictatorships.

>>50401084
Have Egyptian gods as physical beings living there, in the temples
Make them assholes like Vivec from Morrowind

>>50435259
>Make them assholes
Yes, that's soooo fucking original to have asshole/neglectful gods...

Jesus, when this meme will finally die or people simply realise it was funny last time in fucking Classical Greece

>>50435173
Screw rest of the argument, but as a surveyor, I've got a question for you:
Have you actually read Roman texts on geodesy? Because they are unlike what everyone else made up until fuckimg late 19th century. So while I can pass on the rest (even if it sounds nonsensical anyway), this one is just pure bullshit on your side.

>>50435217
>Regimes that call themselves communist tend to very rapidly transform into tyrannical oligarchies or dictatorships.

That's what I'm saying.

>>50435418
Once they have transitioned, they're no longer communist. No matter how much they lie. Because outside of tumblr and /pol/ words have meanings.

>>50435313
>Because they are unlike what everyone else made up until fuckimg late 19th century.

Well yeah, what do you expect? Took us about that long to catch up to pre-Roman greek mathematics again. The losses caused by the Roman Empire were immense.

>>50435449
Unless you were in the mid East or persia or India or China...

>>50435446
Not that polbler would ever accept that.

>>50435259
>Make them assholes like Vivec from Morrowind
gods in Egyptian mythology tended to be pretty bro-tier

Technology

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Since images are lacking i'm just going to dump some PF "Egypt" art, starting with egyptian bee people.

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How about a dwarf monk wielding egyptian themed weapons and armor?

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Some characters you'll meet in the Mummy's Mask AP, including that bee lady lady.

>>50436017
Except for the all the raping and necrophilia. That said, there is actually an argument to be made for Egyptian pantheon being uniquely "nice" with the gods being surprisingly predictable and consistent in their behavior compared to most similar ancient pantheons. It's supposed to be related to the incredibly favorable and very predictable nature of the natural conditions of the Nile valley.

>>50435217
>very rapidly transform into

Lenin boarded that sealed german train with a very concret plan in mind that included absolute party rule already, Anon.

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The desert and whatever ruins it holds can be dangerous places for an adventurer.

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The ruins can be especially dangerous when they have golems that look like Anubis.

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This is Hakotep the First, aka the Sky Pharaoh. Why was he called that? Because he built a giant magical earthwork device across 17 square miles (using massive slave labor giving it the name Slave Trenches of Hakotep) that could bring the floating cities of his enemies the Shory down to the ground, and then after that war built a floating pyramid in the sky for himself and his mad wife who worshipped things from between the stars.

>>50435104
>stargate_sg1_rule_34.jpg

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There are terrible things in the sand from ages past.

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A good way to keep out tomb raiders is a golem that can become a portal to another room. That way the only door through gets to get up and kill any intruders.

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Sometimes the little birdlike psychopomps who serve as messengers and scribes in the afterlife will serve as a familiar to a wizard or as a personal gift to clerics of death gods. This one serves the cleric Ptemenib.

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Why doesn't the capital of your fantasy egypt have the shell of a fuck huge scarab beetle serving as a building?

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Bloody skeletons that steal eyes and wear fezzes are pretty interesting.

>>50437417
>Sometimes the little birdlike psychopomps

More like you got multiple souls that all do different stuff, but the Pharao has an additional one that will fucking kill you with its psychic powers.

Transformable guardians that would put piramidas to sham

>>50437417
>serve as messengers and scribes
>has no opposable thumbs
How does it hold the quill? Telepathy?

>>50401417

Damnit, now I can't not imagine Ramses II in a bio-mechanical power armor now.

>>50434629
That's Oscar Wilde, IIRC. 'Upon finding onself in a hole, the first course of action is to stop digging'.

>>50434787
> Brick
> Pre-pottery
You do know that bricks are generally made of clay, yes? And fired? In a kiln?
Christ you're stupid.

>>50434093
Never implied they weren't, but they're probably less out of sync than stonehenge, which is older.

Mind you, the sheer prevalence of stone circles in the south of england seems to imply they kept updating them.
Or that someone was running a racket selling rocks.

>>50434093
Who is this lovely and pure creature?

>>50438484
>You do know that bricks are generally made of clay, yes? And fired? In a kiln?
He is an idiot, but that said, not all bricks are being fired in a kiln. They can be (and frequently were) simply dried in the sun if another organic component besides clay is added to the mixture. It's something usually called "adobe" and the origin of that particular word is actually coptic, which means that it more likely than not originates in ancient Egypt of all places.
In fact, fired bricks have been a luxury item in most societies until like 16th century, where dried bricks were used all around the world. Adobes (or mudbricks, or "pig bricks" as they are called in my country) were frequently used for less durable structures including stables, storage houses etc... But in more dry environments, such as Spain, parts of South Americas and of course, middle east and north Africa, they were frequently used for more prominent structures including churches and temples.

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>>50438620
>He is an idiot

We don't know that, but he clearly isn't aware of non-fired bricks, which reveals his knowledge of ancient technology as being sorely lacking.

Also nice argument, but then again, we can't argue about Roman sciences because they had none.

>>50438122
They are particularly dextrous with those little feet they have.

>>50401084
Why not Hellenistic Egypt rather than Ancient Egypt? It's criminally underused

>>50403015
>plenty of gay men and women back in the day.
How would women have been allowed to do that?

>>50403015
>these brother-sister marriages were most often symbolic.
Except that she herself was the product of generations of incest.

>>50402925
Syphilis came from the new world. It wasn't gays, but damn dirty injuns that brought all the VDs

>>50440963
Wasn't it alpacas?

>>50401084
I just want to say that the last person who posted this image on this thread inspired me to send it send that imgur file with all the pictures in it to my girlfriend, and now she is making that costume.

Thank you, /tg/.
I get to put my penis in that now.

>>50441109
Words hard.
On this thread should be on this board, and everything else is pretty easily understandable.

One idea a friend of mine came up with was that the ancient egyptians, being superstitious of iron, would only use copper, right? So what better beasties for them to befriend and worship than rust monsters?

incorporate sources of better natural resources in roving dragonturtle oases.

>>50441234

Rust-monster headed wargod, often depicted as fucking up some iron-using rival civilizations?

>>50441460
yeah. sure!

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THOUSAND SONS HIJACK!
JUST AS PLANED!

>>50426697
>>50427486

Don't mind the buzzkill >>50427616 guys, here's what you seek

http://yulianovafan.tumblr.com/post/150358685770/gravureheaven-non-my-god-anubis

>>50437458
It is not a building, it is an apocalypse beast waiting to awaken and destroy everything.

>>50403970
While it's true that ancient Egyptians were more related to Berbers and such (many other North African countries are full of these ethnicities and thus a lot more pale than you'd expect), that's only white if you consider Italians and Iberians white, since they're all part of the Mediterranean populations. Also worth noting that before the Arab and Turkic invasions, the eastern and north eastern coasts of the Mediterranean were also full of related peoples, so Syria and Turkey (Anatolia) etc.

Anyway, unless you think full on Saudi is the only skintone you see from Arabs, it's not going to really be all that distinct visually. Maybe you'll have your nobles be paler because they don't go out into the sun, that's about it.

>>50438122
As a cockatiel owner, I can tell you that those little fuckers have surprising handling when they combine the beak and one foot.

Cockatoos are great with only one foot.