Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

First for KT a cute

>>50400512
2nd for 1 arrow would be enough

>>50401250
or one rock
>NIGHTMARED.com

>>50401195
I hope DKs get to save him in 7.2

I was watching MrBTounge's video about Diablo 3 today, and got to the part where he talks about Diablo 2, how Marius is a reflection of the player, driven to continue his journey because he is helpless to avoid his destiny and is therefore complicit in his own destruction, just as the player is compelled by the addictive gameplay to continue playing and replaying the game ad infinitum.

Its made me start to wonder if WoW is some secret work of supreme art. The fundamental core message of the games is "no matter how shitty any individual or group or even majority population within any given race or nation acts, let it go because seeking revenge against the whole nation or race for those individual acts just continues the cycle of revenge until somebody is wiped out, and if that happens you are fucked because there are bigger threats out there that you can't handle alone." And yet despite that, every WoW lore discussion ends up a partisan shouting match between Horde or Alliance players listing grievances in order to justify retaliation and escalating the in-game conflict so the faction that they consider to be in the wrong gets wiped out.

Blizzard may have managed to turn all of us into the Horde and Alliance NPCs we constantly rail against for forcing the dumb faction conflict to continue in the face of bigger threats. We may have been struck ignorant of the obvious futility and pettiness of our arguments about who is "the bad faction," accomplishing nothing except furthering the war of words, and thus our investment in the franchise that will keep us buying the games.

Makes you think.

>>50401195
Which one.

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>>50400512
Best aspect?

>>50402261
you make a convincing point, but at the same time, Theramore totally had it coming and Garrosh did nothing wrong

>>50402295
none of them
Kosak was a mistake

>>50402295
Bronze > Red >= Green > Blue

>>50402309
The aspects were invented by Knaak, I thibk. Alextraza and Deathwing have been around from WC2 (Deathwing even appearing in the game, while Alextraza I think was only mentioned in the lore as the dragon the Horde had captured to breed dragon mounts for them), but were considred to just be particularly powerful dragons, rather than the demigods they later became.

>>50402295
>demon worshiping monsters from another world are invading
>should we do something? nope
>said demon worshiping aliens have managed to capture one of us and are using her to produce an army of dragons
>should we do something? never liked that bitch anyway
>armies of undead are trying to summon demons
>should we do something? do i look like i care?
>holy fucking shit demons everywhere
>should we finally do something? nah, can't be arsed

Fucking lazy lizard cunts.

>>50402340
>The aspects were invented by Knaak,
that's what I meant, I confused the shitty writers with K names
brb sudoku

>>50402346
you forgot
>any black dragon anywhere does anything
>REEEEEEEEE MORTALS SAVE US

>>50402295

Alex a best. She a fine ass DMILF with child-bearing hips, a plump ass, tig ol' bitties, handlebar horns, that reddish brown skin that's somehow even sluttier than anime chocolate sex elf, and the seed-hungriest fertilist womb in the entire world.

Well, supposedly she's lost the last one. All the dragons suddenly being sterile because the aspects gave up their powers is a pretty stupid plot twist. Its not like the Protodrakes stopped whelping. There better be a point and purpose to that shit.

>>50402346
>>demon worshiping monsters from another world are invading
>>should we do something? nope
>>said demon worshiping aliens have managed to capture one of us and are using her to produce an army of dragons

The dragons were all massively depowered at that point. If they showed up and interfered then Deathwing would have roasted them.

>>50402407
>The dragons were all massively depowered at that point.
is that why red drakes breathing fire were exactly as strong as a dwarf on a gryphon throwing hammers? Bravo Blizzard

>>50402295
Ysera a best. Sad fate, though.
Alex is second best.
Noz is weird and silly, which comes part and parcel with timetravel shenanigans.
Mal was stupid.
Nel was even more stupid.

>>50402651

Malygos wasn/t wrong when he determined that all the world's problems were because Mortals were permitted to use magic. It was really the whole kidnap them, put them in boxes, manipulate or force them into turning on their friends and loved ones, and trying to alter the planetary leylines which could cause catastrophic damage to everyone and everything on it that was the issue.

He probably should have started a little smaller before he escalated to the full-scale war/apocalypse option.

>>50402751

He was completely insane though, wasn't he? It probably didn't even occur to him to start small.

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Will we ever see anything more Mogu? I thought they were the best stuff that MoP had to offer

>>50402787
To be fair, mortal magic users have been causing trouble on various scales forever. I'm sure he finally just got fed up with it.

So on a whim I watched the movie today. Was it their intention to make it a comedy?

>>50402787

Actually he was sane for the first time in ten thousand years because of the Netherdrakes his daughter brought back from Outland. Their unique magic healed his mind. Then he decided to fuck mortal spellcasters because everything was their fault.

His daughter a best BTW. Wish they'd bring her and her paladin husbando back.

>>50402817
Odyn should be free after the players kill Helya. Maybe he'll unite all the titan-forged races? I have my doubts but it's not impossible.

>>50402862
GUL'DAN CHEATS

>>50402886
Gul'dan truly was the only redeeming quality for the film

>>50402875
>7.2 adds a new champion for every class
>death knights get Kel'thuzad
>warriors get Lei Shen
>druids get Cenarius
>demon hunters get Lady Vashj's soul

>>50402899
>Only
>Disregarding Blackhand being a badass chieftain commanding respect with occasionally showing his inner struggle as he detests the Fel but has to accept its use because it's pretty much their victory card.

Gul'Dan was breddy awesome, though.

>>50402862
Did you watch the director's cut or the theater release?

Theater release is missing a lot to fit for time.

>>50403661
There is no director's cut, unfortunately. At least that's the last I heard.

The cut scenes don't really add *that* much, they give a bit of extra screen time to characters such as orgrim and durotan broing it up vs. Grom, plus the cameo of our spiritual liege Chris Metzen as perfume merchant selling aphrodisiac to fat bottom bitches so they can fuck their husbands off to battle.

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>>50402899

>Gul'Dan steps up to Mak'Gora against Durotan
>Oh come on, he's a powerful warlock sure but he's a hunched over old fart
>Back straight, built like a brick shithouse and towers over Durotan

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So it occurred to me that the Warchief being the undisputed leader of the whole Horde is a notion that only showed up in Cata. Back in early WoW the Horde was just as fractured as the Alliance, at least in terms of the Kalimdor-EK split.

Thrall was considered the leader, but mainly because he had the personal gratitude of the trolls and the taured, and thus the most political clout. It was never suggested that his authority went as far as it does now. The only time the other races directly appeal to him is when the blood elves were applying to join the Horde. He certainly didn't have much authority over Sylvanas (but then, she wasn't stupid back then).

Of course, back when Thrall was warchief (even in WC3) the Horde was trying to be an actual civilization, whereas now it's a permanent war machine. Thanks Kosak.

>>50404328
Something similar occurred to me, as well.

The Warchief was head of the Horde, and the Horde had always been just the orcs. Trolls and Tauren were auxiliary forces in WC3, but not actually full-fledged Horde citizens/members.

I think the great confusion started when, in order to make the two-faction split happening, Horde and Alliance were used to name the coalitions.

>(insert Dindus here) were noble before getting corrupted into evul

So when will we get an evul species that was transformed (if not corrupted) into being noble?

>>50404558
the arakkoa

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>>50404558

Does Lothraxion count?

>>50404573

Playable when

>>50402281
Kel'Thuzad

>>50401953
If he shows up in legion I will re-up my sub

>>50400512
Did these threads ever lead to anything but ally wanking and meme posting?

I was looking over the rules to the World of Warcraft RPG and, honestly, it looks like it wouldn't be as bad to play as I remember. Anyone have any actual experience with it, though?

>>50405085

>ally wanking

MMO Champion Nigger found.

>>50405761
You're hardly any better than him, you know.

What is the light? And why is Arthas such a dumbass in warcraft 3?

>>50406052

> And why is Arthas such a dumbass in warcraft 3?

They had to shill the Dindu Horde.

>every named Alliance character dies or goes raid boss except for Grassburner Jaina (who did what some ranting hobo said)

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Remember Taelan, always.

>>50406052
The Light is one of the primordial forces of the Universe, juxtaposed by Shadow. Light is pure, just and an all round nice guy. Shadow is a dick.

>>50406052

Because Arthas was a petty manchild who wanted to win on his terms because he knew best and had fucking bitch tantrum mental breakdown over the fact that the Scourge wasn't a problem he was capable of fixing. The moment he had to be rescued by Uther at Hearthglen, the human race was basically doomed because their prince was too much of a baby to accept help like a man, and everything he did after that from Stratholm on was half-cocked half-baked bullshit who's actual goal was not to help his people, but to show how much bigger his penis was than his boss.

Don't buy that shit about "the road to hell being paved with good intentions," Arthas was always a prick.

>>50406333

The RoC manual even says Ner'zhul looked for dark souls and someone torn between light and darkness. Go figure he's rolling with the Scourge after Ner'zhul's spell wears off.

I'm confused about Val'sharah druids.

Have they...have they just been sitting there for 10000 years?

Malfurion mentions it is good to walk in Val'sharah after thousands of years. so he ain't been back there.

Druids there say Malfurion is a name they haven't heard in thousands of years,and that he was a friend and teacher to many of them.

But Val'sharah is also home to Warden towers and the like. The Moonguard is literally a zone away too, thinking they are the only remaining elves.

Was there a large chunk of Nelves remaining on the broken isles,and Maiev was too much of a bitch to ever tell anyone about them?

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>Quilboar should be playable
>Quilboar should join the Horde

>>50406936

Night Elves have moved in and off the Broken Isles for years, but it's likely a lot of them are permanent residents. Considering that the Night Elves had some ambassadors in the court of Greymane in Gilneas even during the Second War, it makes sense there's some sort of waypoint between Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms.

>>50407064
Quillboars and centaurs are both hated enemies of the horde

>>50407096
>the Night Elves had some ambassadors in the court of Greymane in Gilneas even during the Second War
Say what?

>>50407460
This is the first time I hear this, as well, but I wouldn't be surprised at such retcons to be honest.

>>50402295
Malygos and Neltharion were the best before they got insane.
Ysera
Day of the Dragon Deathwing
Alexstrasza
Nozdormu
Murozond
NIGHTMARED.COM Ysera
Nexus War Malygos
Catclysm Deathwing

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>>50407064
>>50407346

Quillboars should join the Alliance to fight the Horde.
And Gnolls should join the Horde to fight the Alliance. Their racial leader would be Hogger.

>>50408095
>Malygos and Neltharion were the best before they got insane.
I agree with you on Malygos, but have we ever seen Neltharion pre-corruption? He was already scheming back during the War of the Ancients.

>>50408251
Well, there always were Proto-Dragon Neltharion. And he were best friend of Malygos for ar reason.

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>>50404558

>>50402261
To be honest, both sides pulled fucked up shit at various points, even to the members of their own faction or populations.

At the same time, using argument that WoD is a proof that Orcs were the same in main timeline is a stretch, due to the effect of changes in history that create bigger ripples.

>>50404787
I thought this guys were originaly good and then became corrupted by sargueras and now this is their original form or purified/upgraded form

>>50408832
Nathrezim and Annihilan were always demons.
Nathrezim mastered Shadow (Void) magic and liked to turn other races into demons.
Annihilan liked to enslave lesser demons and use them as fodder army.

>>50400512
By the light, it's still too soon...

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>>50408876
Oh intredasting!

Now want to see a light-touched annihilian

>>50404180
That scene would've only been better if Durotan D'OH!'d

>>50408876

> Nathrezim and Annihilan were always demons.

Tichondrius drops an archaic Nathrezim artifact. The artifact is also light oriented.

>>50406318
You forget the part of both being able to be flipped into the other

>>50402960
Stormforged Lei Shen as a subordinante? Fuck Yeah.

>>50404787
His entry on Wowpedia reads like bad fanfiction.

>Lothraxion was sent to Azeroth in order to help protect it from the Burning Legion.
>Like his brethren, Lothraxion joined the Legion. However, he always hated his kind for their violence and sadism. For this, he was imprisoned and tortured by Balnazzar. He was eventually freed by High Exarch Turalyon, through whom he discovered the Light. Lothraxion was infused with Light energy, and sought his path to redemption through joining the Grand Army of the Light, an organization born from the survivors of worlds ravaged by the Legion and led by the naaru, of which Turalyon and Alleria are high-ranking members.

fuck me

>>50409333
The entire story of warcraft is just one bad fanfiction.

>>50409333
See, I understand that people want to give variety of character of every race that is sapient.

However Demons are a sapience born from malice. It's not like they're choosing to be assholes - It's a technical, mechanical means of survival for them as a species to be assholes.

Fine, under the assumption that all magics apparently can change you from the very makeup of your soul, a Nathrezim may be altered so he does not have to be a dick, anymore - But that still doesn't explain how one Dreadlord is suddenly against all other dreadlords in existence.

This is bullshit. It's beyond Drizzt levels of bullshit.

>>50409333
>All of that is full of [Citation needed]
This is likely as canon as pic related
LIVE, INSECT!

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>>50409914
shit, forgot pic

>>50409690
May I introduce to you: the orb of chaos.
Chaos does not come naturaly to all demons, so some carry these orbs with them. Unclear how they are made.
Source: Archeology
So yeah, maybe demons, originating as spirits from the literal raw chaos that is the nether, might be born in pockets of low chaos, that should exist by definition, and thuuuus carry less within them. My guess at least.

>>50409929
There is no better proof that Blizzard is at its best when it's not worried about being EPIC(tm) and grandiose than Hearthstone. Their non-serious stuff is great 90% of the time (the exception being shit like Uldum and other lolsorandumb nonsense), but whenever they try to do "big boy" stuff things get awkward and cringeworthy.

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Gul'dan is best orc, this is a fact and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and probably a furfag of some variety

>>50410274
Good old days of Metzen artworks...

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>>50410457
Another anon, I agree.

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>>50410457

Sylvanas before she was Rule 34 bait.

>>50410688
When was that?

>>50410704
Sometime around WC1's Alpha.

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>>50410457
Few more Metzen works.
This is what the early Doomhammer looked like. Both the Orc and the hammer.

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>>50410841
>In Manual of Beyond the Dark Portal all heroes of the Horde, and all heroes of the Alliance were in a group arts
>No luck in finding entire arts for years
damn it

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>>50410863
>tfw suddenly they exist

>>50410821
>>50410785
>>50410778
>>50410768
>>50410688
>>50410641
I remember all of those. been a long while since that little boy was marveling at the printed version...
Makes me feel both old and young again.

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>>50410943

>>50410785
>Trolls without tusks

Why did we stop having that? It was amazing.

Give 'em more pronounced canines, instead, and the jump towards delicious fang elves is complete.

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>>50410841
>ywn visit the Temple of the Damned from Warcraft 1
Kosak's boner was for the wrong era of the Horde.
He even forgot how Grom used to be.

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>>50410969
Because that was Axethrower/Spearthrower. Tusks were for Berserkers.

>>50411037
Yeah, and even then in WII's manual they said something about goblin alchemy and tribal sorcery changing them, which is why I suspect they got those tusks in the first place.

>>50408174
Isn't Hogger dead?

>>50411152
I am sure that Stockades just setback!

>>50411152
So was Illidindu.

>>50411682
The things I would do to this woman would drive her more insane than Deathwing.

>>50402862
Well you can't deny that Warcraft as a franchise past 3 hasn't ever been truly serious.

>>50412237

And no one expects them to be shoegazing super serious all the time. Just not completely fuck up what they already have, and not tell a story like a bad DM would. Constantly trying to raise the stakes with biggerer and betterer and epic-er-er world ending threats every time and when that fails to pull attention they turn into the most baseless, thoughtless pandering and the randomest dumbest shit. Like death knight Whitemane and holy dreadlords ans shit like that.

>>50410768
>Orgrim's hand is so strong that he bends the handle of the Doomhammer
I can never unsee this

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>>50412287
I miss my old WoW days where you were trying to desperately shore up defenses in Plaguelands and brushfire-fighting from many unrelated threats. Also long dungeons like Maraudon or BRD, I dunno, but back then WoW felt a lot more RPG.

Unrelated note does anyone have anymore like pic related.

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>>50412364
also this one

>>50412364
I like those name translations because it basically implies that Zul'jin is the troll Genghis Khan

>>50407064
I wonder, is it still being ignored in lore that the orcs, after they supposedly became uncorrupted took a sapient species' land without justification, then when they resisted genocided them so hard their only option left was joining up with the scourge?

>>50412677
just like the humans genocided gnolls and kobolds right?

>>50412725
that conflict is a lot more grey because its near impossible to say who lived in the area first and who started the conflict
the conflict present in the lore between them is usually one of gnolls and kobolds raiding human villages and settlements for supplies at which point the humans react to this and send their soldiers over

however the quilboar/orc conflict is decidedly more black and white given we know the quilboar had the original claim given the orcs came first from another planet then from another continent
also the quilboar situation is significantly more dire, the gnolls and kobolds still have the numbers to send raiders over and replenish them through breeding, the quilboar numbers have been reduced to the point they need to resort to necromancy just to stay on the defensive

>>50412770
>that conflict is a lot more grey because its near impossible to say who lived in the area first and who started the conflict
considering that humans came from Northrend? Almost certainly the gnolls
>also the quilboar situation is significantly more dire, the gnolls and kobolds still have the numbers to send raiders over and replenish them through breeding, the quilboar numbers have been reduced to the point they need to resort to necromancy just to stay on the defensive
so orcs are the bad guys because they're better at war?

>>50412802
orcs are the bad guys because they don't just kill the warriors, they kill the mothers and the young as well
and we don't know where the gnolls came from, nor do the humans engage in systematic genocide

>>50412364
>Also long dungeons like Maraudon or BRD
I miss how your group would have to actually fight their way to the instance itself down a cave that actually felt like a dungeon.
And BRD... I remember doing a 10-man BRD in vanilla that lasted over 8 hours. Clearing everything and seeing people come and go as the run progressed.
But man, it felt like a real accomplishment to down every single boss in there and then finish the Emperor. Not just the 15-minute distraction that dungeons are expected to be these days.

>>50412725
Considering that Gnoll was able to muster a full on siege of Stormwind so great that stormwind had to ask aid from other kingdoms, and all human did after this war was scatter their forces, I doubt they were "genocided" considering their number.

Kobold always lived underground and apparently Humans dont really bother with them.

Do your home work before making stupid accusations next time?

>>50412802
Except you have no origin on the Gnoll or kobold race and they can be as young or younger than humans.

So better luck next time

Oh one more thing, Warcraft 3 manual notes that Gnoll are indigenous to Alterac and Redridge, Not where human's main kingdoms lies.

>>50412932
So the moment people throw actual lore on your face you degenerates into making personal insults.

Talk about being pathetic.

Why does everything have to be turned into a /pol/ meme? Can't we just discuss the fucking lore on its own terms?

>>50412962
because people like >>50412932 >>50412802
Exists.

>>50412962
I just brought up the genocide thing because its a fairly evil orcish act that happened under Thrall's leadership
and yet it is barely brought up in lore even by characters who'd have everything to gain by mentioning it
Garrosh never threw that dirty little secret in Thrall's face when he acted all righteous, none of the alliance races ever mention it even when it would be a convincing argument as to disregard orcish claims of being capable of peaceful interactions.


Its just strange, by all rights this should be one of Thrall's and the horde in general, black marks.

>>50412955
quilboar are incompetent subhuman savages that started the war and were easily bested. You're only pretending you care to start a dumbass flamewar

>>50413028
Thrall is green jesus and therefore can never make mistakes, because reasons.

>>50413032
> Horde Warchief Almost killed
> Easily bested

Whatever you say mate, anything that helps you sleep at night.

>>50413121
>> Horde Warchief Almost killed
>> Easily bested
so the quilboar are Schrodinger's enemy? Both competent foes that took legitimate military action and innocent women and children getting genocided simultaneously?

>>50413032
orcs came, took their lands and slaughtered them when they didn't agree to it
I fail to see how they, in any possible way, could be held responsible for the conflict

>>50413163
--> The Horde launched an assault on the Quillboar's which almost got their Warchief killed.
--> The Horde took many of Quillboar's settlement and forced them to run.

These are 2 statement which doesn't contrast each other.
Stop trying to make it sounds like they do, it won't work.

>>50402401
So that way, eventually, she gets her fertile womb back and alliance and horde have to come together to make more half-whelps.

>>50402401
>>50413293
Dragons losing the ability to procreate felt like someone's personal vendetta against fictional characters.

>>50413028
Honestly, I think the quilboar alliance with the Scourge wasn't meant to be a sign of desperation so much as a sign of their stupidity and corruption.

Besides, back in vanilla they had plenty of territory left. The Razorfens are huge sprawls, and they had a ton of settlements in Mulgore and the Barrens. The orcs weren't actively expansionist back then either, mostly sticking to Durotar and the Barrens (Warsong clan aside).

>>50413521

They had a gorillion quest about going off and genociding quillboar off their lands

Their alliance with the scourge is just one of vanillas many dangling plot threads that never went anywhere. It was actually never explained where the fuck did the scourge go from Kalimdor after WC3. They had a huge expedition force over, even Arthas was personally there.

>>50413521
>>50413711
I think the scourge alliance out of desperation is significantly more interesting from a narrative pov
that said the alliance should not have been to the scourge but rather to an old god
C'thun would have served the role well and it would not have diminished the sheer desperation of their situation.

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Remind me, why he was bad guy?

>>50413711
IIRC, a lot of the demon commanders got blown up along with Archimonde, which left the scourge forces there in disarray and easily mopped up by the defenders. Arthas probably got out of dodge beforehand, considering Ner'zhul had him intentionally undermine the Legion he probably saw their defeat at Hyjal coming.

Remember, a lot of what made the Scourge effective was tied to having been allowed to fester in Lordaeron for a while. On Kalimdor they were just cannon fodder.

Also
>genocide
I mean, I'm not gonna say the orcs weren't taking land from the quilboar, but nowhere was it stated that their goal was to take ALL their land. The quests where you kill them are usually in response to quilboar raids. I'm pretty sure that up until Cata (where the Horde genuinely did turn into expansionist assholes) the only orc who wanted actual genocide was Mankrik.

Plus, for what it's worth, the quilboar were already at war with the tauren before the orcs showed up.

>>50413867
The old gods weren't anywhere near as significant back then as they are now. To be honest, I kinda preferred it when they weren't in your face all the time.

>>50414010
because he didn't offer us loot to kill red dragons and Alexstrazsa did the reverse

>>50414010
Because he was a really fun boss fight

>>50414025
quilboar weren't at war with the tauren, those were the centaur and they were dickhead that deserved some rightful purging
quilboar lived in what's now known as durotar and were forcefully displayed and downright slaughtered when the refused to move, their subsequent raids and hostilities are a direct result of this

and I know why they didn't go for the old gods angle back then and it could have been done in an entirely not in your face way, just give the quilboar increasingly more alien abilities and a select few mutations the deeper you go into their warrens and maybe have the final boss summon a tentacle or 2. Still relatively subtle and requires the actual old god raid to truly make sense of it

>>50414246
>quilboar weren't at war with the tauren, those were the centaur and they were dickhead that deserved some rightful purging
Literally your first humanoid enemies in the tauren starter quests are quilboar. The quest givers describe it as, and I quote, "their continued war against us".

Both the centaur and the quilboar were hostile to the tauren, the centaur were just the greatest threat at the time of the orc campaign.

>Warcraft thread
>on /tg/
neat.jpg

Now, I have been out of WC for some years (since early Cata). What happened in the meantime? Did the lore de/evolved?

>inb4 go play the game
Unfortunately, I don't have time for that anymore.

>>50414430
They've tried replicating the story of Arthas one too many times by adding lolcorruption to just about everything.

>>50414430

illidan is back now, and he is a golden boy dindu nuffin and the naaru talk shit to you about killing him once theres also a holy dreadlord around and youre the leader of your class, whitemane, nazgrim and some other literally whos are back as death knights and there is RvB all over again despite the legion literally invading

its sad to say but even the orc-humping alternate universe time travel expansion pack was better

>>50414430
>(since early Cata). What happened in the meantime?
in a nutshell
>a Horde fleet chasing an Alliance transport carrying Anduin Wrynn discovers Pandaria
>Garrosh sends the Horde PC and Nazgrim to go and "paint the new continent red"
>meanwhile Varian sends the Alliance PC and Admiral Taylor to rescue Anduin
>after accidentally unleashing two Shas (shadow beings empowered by the negative emotions of sentient beings, basically Sin elementals) through their fighting, the pandas throw a shit fit and tell the Horde and Alliance to gtfo, send the PC into the interior of the continent to explore and learn how to defeat the sha
>after PCs kill the 7 shas, Garrosh finds the heart of an Old God and consumes its power, then retreats to Orgrimmar to dare everyone else to come after him
>PCs destroy the True Horde and nearly kill Garrosh, but Varian and Thrall intervene at the last second to demand to kill him themselves
>before they can, Taran Zhu (the leader of the pandas that fight against the sha) tells them to fuck off because "if we kill him we'll be just like him, so he has to stand trial"
>Garrosh gets put on a trial that's hilariously rigged towards not killing him, and instead trying to make him feel remorse for doing things he doesn't regret in the slightest and openly brags about wanting to do again
>while he's being held in prison, a bronze dragon teleports him back in time to an alternate Draenor just in time for Garrosh to stop AU Grom from doing the Dew, and kills Mannoroth with his help
>he then reforms the Horde from a tribal confederation into a feudal state heavily equipped with goblin technology
>after two years of consolidating power on Draenor, he captures Gul'dan, Cho'gall and Teron Gorefiend, and steals their magic to open a portal to modern day Azeroth
>the PCs and a multinational coalition of reasonably important NPCs push the Ironmarch back to the Dark Portal and then invade AU Draenor

cont.

>>50414670
These threads seem to mostly consist of people complaining about the other faction being terrible and how many races and characters are dindu

Of course I'm a Tauren and can do no wrong

>>50414687

>garrosh gets his ass kicked by the invincible immortal demigod PC's
>escapes to Draenor
>instead of making the most of this second chance in a world where he actually fits in, he decides to invade Azeroth with the help of an army of average Joes
>unsurprisingly, that army gets absolutely stomped, doesn't even make it out of the Blasted Lands
>PC's and NPC's then counterattack back through the portal, wrecking absolutely everything in their path
>eventually Garrosh takes part in the mak'gora with Thrall
>gets killed

Was Garrosh just too stupid to live?

>>50414687
>as soon as the PCs and Khadgar arrive in Draenor, Garrosh's absurdly competent war machine immediately falls apart
>the Dark Portal is deactivated and destroyed, Gul'dan, Cho'gall and Teron Gorefiend escape into the jungle around the portal and disappear
>the PCs fight their way through a theme park of the various clans in the Iron Horde, then steal a ship and go to either Shadowmoon Valley or Frostfire Ridge (half of the Blade's Edge Mountains before Draenor exploded), depending on faction, to build a base to strike at the the hearts of the Iron Horde
>extensive orcish shenanigans ensue
>Thrall kills Garrosh in a cutscene
>Blackhand blows up the Blackrock Foundry because he's mad at you, and then you kill him
>Grom and Kilrogg Deadeye realize they're pretty fucked, retreat into Tanaan Jungle and build a new-old Hellfire Citadel
>Gul'dan shows up at their only remaining base outside the jungle and offers them more Kool-Aid
>Grom refuses to drink, but Kilrogg eagerly accepts
>Gul'dan imprisons Grom in magic chains and him and Kilrogg go to Hellfire Citadel to order the rest of the Iron Horde to stand down and drink Mannoroth's blood
>the new Fel Horde starts summoning demons and eventually Archimonde himself to Draenor
>obviously the PCs kill them all
>just before dying, Archimonde flings Gul'dan through the portal he came through, sending him to modern day Azeroth
>Gul'dan steals a ship and sails it to the Tomb of Sargeras
>he starts opening portals to every Legion world that he can, allowing them to invade Azeroth in force never before seen
>the Horde and Alliance send armies to stop the invasion, due to demon infiltration in SI:7 and a miscommunication by Sylvanas, both armies are completely destroyed, resulting in the death of Vol'jin and Varian
>just before dying, Vol'jin names Sylvanas the new warchief

cont

>>50414847
the Ironmarch actually made it all the way to Blackrock Spire, but it's not shown in game outside of the new UBRS

>>50414892
>the Ironmarch actually made it all the way to Blackrock Spire

As in, the army fought its way through every zone from Blasted Lands to Burning Steppes?

Or a single group somehow made it to the mountain and set up shop inside?

>>50414892
>Anduin becomes the new King of Stormwind and leader of the Alliance, but Genn takes control of what's left of the Alliance military and chases Sylvanas to get revenge for what him and Jaina believe was her betrayal of Varian and the Alliance at the Broken Shore
>meanwhile Khadgar teleports Dalaran from Northrend to Karazhan to find out if Medivh left any writings that might tell him what to do
>while inside the Legion attacks, the PC helps Khadgar lock them out and the steal a book about some titan artifacts left on the Broken Isles that could close the portals at the Tomb of Sargeras
>after leaving Karazhan, Khadgar then teleports Dalaran to the Broken Isles

that's the beginning of Legion

>>50414955
I'm not actually sure. I didn't play during the WoD opening patch and I don't know if it's elaborated on anywhere

>>50414847

WoD was just a travesty

The Iron Horde didnt even finsh off the draenei, the ogres and the various minor factions. What did Garrosh had to lose with waiting out another 5-10 years of campaigning, establishing total dominance and just building shit up? Why azeroth? Couldnt he just open portals to other, possibly less well defended worlds, invade them and add their resources to the iron horde war machine?

But no, the PCs literally defeat the iron horde in the first 15 introduction quest. The Dark Portal has been destroyed, Gul'dan is gone, mission fucking accomplished time to go home. Oh wait no we are sticking around for some reason. The Iron Horde is also hyped up as this doom army yet they never actually enjoy the slightest modicum of success. They are pinata, beaten by everyone, everywhere despite having all those goodies and numbers. They literally exist just to be beaten to the ground. And in the end they drink the kool-aid... despite the entire point of the expansion pack was orcs not drinking the kool.aid?

And after all those lengths we went to establish a connection and trade with an AU during the entire expansion pack it disappears from the face of earth, never to be mentioned again.

>>50415016
This is basically what I thought about WoD after the initial hype wore off. I had fun until I found I had nothing to do after reaching level cap, and I realized that this 'massive invasion' was dismantled before it could do anything. It's like they introduced this huge, impossibly muscled wrestler and as soon as he gets in the ring a guy punches him in the nose and he gets knocked out cold. There was no threat of the Iron Horde after destroying the Dark Portal. Hell, the fucking plant people got further than that having established a front in Stormwind itself. That was more tense than any Iron Horde stuff because it was right in the capital city of my faction.

>>50415016
>What did Garrosh had to lose with waiting out another 5-10 years of campaigning, establishing total dominance and just building shit up

Because then the only enemies left on Draenor for the PC's to kill would be orcs and the wildlife.

It's stupid but story must always make way for gameplay.

>>50400512
What system do you guys use to play your campaigns?

>>50415064

What about the gorillion other factions we fight/befriend in draenor? There was plenty of shit to fight and pacify before kicking off a planetary invasion.

>It's stupid but story must always make way for gameplay.

Then make good story fitting the gameplay. Dont write storylines building up to changes yet snap back to status quo because DUDE ITS A GAME!!

>>50415100
>What about the gorillion other factions we fight/befriend in draenor? There was plenty of shit to fight and pacify before kicking off a planetary invasion.

That's what I'm talking about - if he had killed them all, there would be very little left for the players to fight/befriend.

It's the same reason why everything in Northrend wasn't undead before The Lich King declared his war on the rest of the world. He had loads of time to conquer, consolidate and fortify Northrend (except for Sholazar I guess), but the only place that is truly a Scourge zone is Icecrown itself. Even the troll fucking shits in Zul'drak are resisting the Scourge. So why did he send his ziggurats out when good chunks of his forces were still occupied with pacifying the natives?

>>50415059
the botani were genuinely a scarier threat than the Iron Horde
an army of the zombies from Last of Us (exept stronger because they're orcs and ogres), lead by wizards? fuck that shit

>>50415187
It also spooks me on an existential level. Death isn't an escape from them.

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>>50415176
It hurts to say, but that one is actually explained by the silly twist near the end of ICC; LK wasn't trying to conquer the planet, he was provoking the factions into sending their best so that he could turn them.

>>50415216
>those Kirin Tor wizards in Everbloom that try to warn you away and then beg you to kill them

>>50415327
Unless that place was purged with fire after you and four other pricks rampaged through the place, they probably got right back up and prayed for death again.

>>50415016
>>50415176

Lets not forget that the Iron Horde was Garrosh's brain child and he was one of its most influential leaders. It doesn't take a genius to think that he probably pushed Grom to invade Azeroth even though Draenor wasn't totally taken over because Revenge Is Always Job One.

For that matter, take the case of the Alt Draenei. The Iron Horde went after them for literally no reason compared to all their other campaigns. They wanted their lands, sure. That bountiful forest right in the middle of the continent is a great piece of real estate. But they were doing a full-scale invasion of another planet, so why dive into the most difficult fight of the entire pacification process at the same time? Also, consider the fact that the Orcs were willing to send envoys and potentially make peace with the Ogre Empire, the group that had murdered and oppressed and enslaved their entire species since time immemorial. Why were they not willing to make peace, or at least trade peace for territorial concessions with the Draenei? And why did they encourage the Shadowmoon Clan to "prove their worth," by unleashing shadowy magics on the Draenei that would have caused death far in excess of the tactics they used against every other regional rival during the Iron Horde's consolidation?

Assuming Grom is not an idiot who does things for no reason (in b4 greentext), there's only one reason for the disproportionate force against the Alt Draenei: Garrosh convinced him in order to get petty revenge by proxy for stuff the Draenei did to him in Main Universe, both in his youth on Outland and as part of the Alliance.

It all comes back to Garrosh being a dick.

>>50415723
what would have been really cool is if Garrosh actually listened to the bronze dragon idiot that took him to Draenor, went to Velen and told him exactly what the deal was
>I just fucked up the Legion's third in command and stopped your people from being genocided. Help me fight the Legion, or die
and then they both go to smash the Gorian Empire and Arakkoa Adherents together

>>50415723
>Garrosh and Grom attack the Draenei in the AU as revenge for the Draenei killing orcs in the MU
>Draenei only killed orcs in the MU as revenge for orcs killing Draenei on Draenor.

It's beautiful.

>>50415819

That would have required Garrosh to really care about fighting the Legion. He cared insofar as it would avoid the Orcs being their puppets and no further. He had much smaller fish to fry after all, like the people who overthrew him just for being a horrible monster and the people who were mean to him when he was a child.

One of the many reasons that Garrosh is an interesting character despite how shittily he was written in many instances is that he is a man of vision and yet simultaneously incredibly small-minded. He can envision grand things, things lesser men would consider impossible, and through the force of his will and his leadership make them real. But once he creates his great works he can only use them for the most empty, petty, childish things imaginable, like nihilistic revenge against entire planets or the most base and brainless destruction.

Int 10, Wis 1.

>>50409690
>However Demons are a sapience born from malice. It's not like they're choosing to be assholes - It's a technical, mechanical means of survival for them as a species to be assholes.
Well, the Eredar were not originally demons. If you can turn people into demons, then I'd say it's not impossible to turn back, or even into something else entirely.

>>50411682
Is that Prestor?

>>50416602
Yep, that's Lady Katrana Prestor a.k.a. Onyxia.

>>50400512
CORRUPTED.com

>>50415016
I doubt he would have been able to open a portal to any other place very easily. The original portal was opened by combined efforts of Mediev on one side and Gul'dan and his warlocks on the other, so you probably need somebody on both sides to establish connection. However, since there already was a portal between Azeroth and (other timeline's) Draenor, Garrosh could just rerout the portal on Azeroth to lead to his Draeneor instead of the original ones.

It's still bloody stupid for him to invade Azeroth, though. He already got his ass kicked once, and now he's got pretty much exactly what he always wanted: a world full of un-corrupted orcs in a position to establish total domination of the world at his command. So why the hell do you got and invade the guys who just kicked your ass?

>>50417060
>So why the hell do you got and invade the guys who just kicked your ass?
because he was pissed off at them and basically what this guy >>50416076 said

when he got to Draenor the first thing he did was murder the dragon that teleported him there because he didn't give a fuck about the Legion and just wanted to kill Thrall and Varian

>>50416331
Yes, Eredar have been retconned to not be demons.

But what about Nathrezim? I have yet to read a source saying they aren't original demons.

>>50417853
>But what about Nathrezim? I have yet to read a source saying they aren't original demons.
None that I know of. I was just trying to say that maybe being a demon isn't necessarily a permanent thing. Especially for more magically attuned races.

>>50410688
>implying you wouldn't pound that putrid, stitched-up booty

>>50417909
That's what I said: Magic has the property to change things. Lothraxion becoming Light attuned isn't the issue - It's his reason to become light attuned.

If we assume him to be a run-of-the-mill Nathrezim and if we assume Nathrezim to be original demons, then by all means he simply should not even be able to comprehend a viewpoint outside of being a torturing asshole because that's how they feed. It's how they survive. It's how their brains mechanically work, how their gears turn.

So Lothraxion refusing his own culture because of some unfounded conscience is really just authors not even giving a shit about how their own races work.

If Lothraxion was a Dreadlord who randomly got exposed to Light radiation and didn't get disembodied by cleansing flame, instead having his DNA changed Marvel Hero style, it would still be shit but it would be shit playing by their own rules.

Personally I would have preferred if he was abducted and forcibly attuned to the Light so now he's Xe'ra's eternal bottom bitch because if the Naaru Light Council ever cut off the juice he's going to dissipate for good because his form cannot support itself without his attuned magic.

>>50412932
>having this much green cock lust

Pretty disgusting

>>50414892
What's this about Demon Infiltration of SI:7? Did I completely miss that bit? The Invasion of the Burning Shore failed because the Alliance got surrounded.

>>50418118
an SI:7 mission to scout the Broken Shore was ambushed by the Legion. Detheroc impersonated Mathias Shaw and started feeding the Alliance false information to trick them into thinking there were fewer demons than there actually were

it's part of the rogue campaign

>>50414892
>>Gul'dan steals a ship and sails it to the Tomb of Sargeras
>>he starts opening portals to every Legion world that he can, allowing them to invade Azeroth in force never before seen

So what happens to him? Is there some cruel irony in that he suffers the exact same fate as his original version?

>>50418400
>So what happens to him?
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSpispAP0M

>>50405761
So no. Thank you.

>>50418198

That sounds fucking retarded, they need to stup that LMAO IT WAS A DREADLORD ALL ALONG card.

>>50418824
Hey, dreadlords are preofessional liars. If anyone knows how to fuck with enemy intelligence, it's them.

>>50418919

But its cheap, lazy and retreading the same thing again and again. Just with the scarlets getting infiltrated by not one but two dreadlords. Also, you think organization of spies or paladins would notice a demon trying to fuck things up.

Some regimental commanders of mayors or whatever getting replaced would be just as dangerous and make much more sense. The entire Legion is full of stupid betrayal shit hamfistedly trying to make TWEESTS and raise stakes, like the Night Watch of duskwood suddenly turning out to be demon worshippers the whole time.

>>50418424

Horde Dindu Nuffin. Zombie Lives Matter!

>Legion could've been the Vrykul's chance to be a playable race, a clan further suffering from the curse of the flesh and throwing their lot in with the alliance over a shared kinship of titan heritage.

Maybe they'd be reduced to Tauren size or something

>>50419899
vrykul are warrior's bitches now

>>50402407
>>50402436
It was more that Deathwing had given the orcs the Dragon Soul, the arefact he had created during the War of the Ancients that had part of each dragon aspects soul bound to it, which basically allowed it to be used to dominate dragons. For some reason Deathwing couldn't really use it himself, but the orcs could and used it to enslave Alexstraza. If any dragon would've tried to rescue her, they too would've gotten mind-controlled by the orcs.

In the "Day of the Dragons" novel (which is where we first got all the dragon aspect stuff) as soon as the heroes destroy the Dragon Soul Alextraza breaks free and bunch of other dragons do show up to fry the orcs, with Alex personally killing the warlock who had been using the Dragon Soul on her.

>>50419988
>with Alex personally killing the warlock who had been using the Dragon Soul on her.
the whole Dragonmaw saga is a pretty fucked up series of fetishes
>mind control into forced impregnation into vore

>>50420439
mind_control&impregnation combo is pretty good though even though personally I prefer mind_break&impregnation.

>>50419061

You're just jelly that the Legion is better at infiltrating than your faction.

>>50419061
The Legion has literally millennia of experience infiltrating and manipulating native populations of planets.
Sperging out because they succeed temporarily is pretty stupid.

>>50421268
From the consumer point of view, I can understand him.

Sure, all narratives are the same when you abstract the events enough, however in this instance the recurring Dreadlord infiltration seems such an obvious thing to happen that you're wondering why they can even happen, at all.

Now if you continued this strain of thought, rampant paranoia should be the logical conclusion, but it isn't - People are still fastly loyal to eachother despite the real possibility that their best friend just got replaced by Alpha Legi- I mean a Dreadlord.

>>50412903
>Warcraft 3 manual notes that Gnoll are indigenous to Alterac and Redridge, Not where human's main kingdoms lies.
>Ignaeus Trollbane was from Alterac
>Kingdom of Stormwind was reaching from Westfall to Lakeshire in Redridge Mountains
They are indigenous in there, because humans already pushed them back from their former habitat.

Also, Gnolls should be as old as any race related to Ancient Guardians, while Kobolds are evolution of Troggs.

>>50413121
>> Horde Warchief Almost killed
>[Citation needed]

>>50413711
>They had a gorillion quest about going off and genociding quillboar off their lands
>Kill this band of Quillboar that attacks our men
>Kill that band of Quillboar that attacks our bases
>Kill this leader of a Quillboar band, as he have killed many of our men, and is the force behind local Quillboar still fighting instead of live and let live
I wouldn't call any of the pre-Cataclysm quests to be resembling genocide. Unless you also claim the same about Humans and Gnolls. Or Dwarves and Ice Trolls in Dun Morogh. Actually, the latter would fit, as since Cataclysm the quests demands killing clearly young Trolls.

>>50413867
But they allied with the Scourge, and thus you receive quest post Cataclysm to kill their leadership, and that quest is from Spirit of Agamaggan himself.

>>50413121
>>50422853
Never mind, after checking I remember now. And it was an answer to constant raiding from there. Which ceased after Hamuul caused them to have water source again.
And it also shows that Garrosh is actually pretty incompetent. wasn't the first, and likely not the last time.

>>50414357
I always asked myself why the Tauren were enemies with literally every humanoid/sentient being on the area before the arrival of the orcs. Not only centaurs and quilboars, but harpies too.

I wonder if taurens weren't always the gentle giants met by Thrall.

>>50422942
They were only attacking the Horde's bases and men is because the Horde settled their bases and men in the Qullboars land. They've been there since the Sundering.

>>50423216
Because all of those races are crazy violent since their Ancient is dead.

>>50419988
>Alex personally killing the warlock who had been using the Dragon Soul on her
This was supposed to be a big deal, as this was Alex temporarily breaking her vow as the Lifebinder to take a life. Granted, it was the most justified life-taking a dragon could ask for, but still, she wasn't happy about it.

>>50422658
> The general is born in Alterac when the kingdom itself is in Arathi.

And it never stated that human drove gnolls anywhere, good job making things up on the fly through.

No, Lakeshire is in Redridge, and last I check its surrounded by Gnoll settlements,
Human's simply don't do genocide, period.

>>50423216
Centaurs and harpies are well-established to be colossal assholes to everybody, so that is hardly surpsiring. Quilboar aren't exactly the most peaceful people either. Also, the Barrens aren't exactly the most resource rich place, so conflict over resoruces is bound to happen.

>>50424084
In that case she probably should've chosen a different method to kill him. She was certainly justified in killing him, but if she considered it to still be morally questionable, killing him in a quick and relatively painless way would've made more sense (instead of, you know, swallowing him alive).

>>50424230
They also had the chance to exterminate the orcs for good and chose not to.

>>50424084
Fucking Krasus raises the dead in War of the Ancients. And not in a nice, resurrection way, in a Scourge, evil zombie way. Knaack is not good with restrictions or writing at all.

>>50414955
Warlord Zaela and her group set up a shop in there, which could easily mean that they somehow made it, as they had either Proto-Dragons or Infinite Dragonflight that they used to help release Garrosh.

>>50413028
What genocide? Quillboards?

Nah, if I remember well it was explicit said that the Horde tried to make peace with these things but they gone apeshit and attacked Orgrimmar and Razor Hill with everything they got.

Genocide on quillboard is a silly argument, every faction has dozen of "Kill X murlocs and bring Y murloc eyes" no one care about these races....

Horde on Thrall command was perfect for roleplay... the idea to make Orcs villains again messed up with all the plot balance. Ironically this is actually Metzan fault, he explicit said that he wanted to the Alliance to feel like THE GOOD GUYS!!!

Orcs were not "dindu nothing", on the contrary, they did a lot of shit, decide to stop sucking demon cock and find their place on the world...

Orcs, Forsaken, Blood Elves and even Trolls.. They are all broken civilizations that no one would give a shit... but on Warcraft you could start a Horde character and make them a hero, someone that saves the world...

Orcs would stop to be savage and violent? Well, that would take a lot of time... Thrall peace attempts were a start of something, until Varian started a war and shit on everything.

And then Metzan got the other faction and said WE WANT TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THE GOOD GUYS!

>>50424896

On Vanilla everything was balanced..... the Orcs were fighting the NE and the Forsaken had that shit on Arathi...But Kul Tiras (that is in lore a full Alliance member before Blizz just forgot that they exist or have a place on Alliance millitary) was attacking Durotar and also Dwarves were attacking the Frostwolves...

The idea behind Vanilla was that the world was big and Thrall/Jaina/Bolvar could not control all proxy events. "Orcs and Humans hate each other and peace is not a easy achievment even if their leaders want." This was dropped as soon expansions started to show huge militar incursions from both factions everywhere. If you could send 1 gazilions of troops everywhere you could stop any proxy war by force.

Thrall even mention the proxy wars on a quest and plan to rescue Moira from BR to make things a little better. Little he know that Moira would see the world burn on war for her to enjoy a black Dwarv cock.

>>50415016
>The Dark Portal has been destroyed, Gul'dan is gone, mission fucking accomplished time to go home. Oh wait no we are sticking around for some reason.
Well, you said it yourself: The Dark Portal has been destroyed.

>>50424931
Khadgar opened a portal to your home city 10 minutes later.

its not like we are with a master wizard who can open portals to anywhere. And then somehow random ass fucks and supplies from azeroth start trickling in anyway.

>>50424896

> Thrall peace attempts were a start of something, until Varian started a war and shit on everything.

Yeah, peace attempts while the Warsong is invading ancient night elf lands, the forsaken are poisoning sleeping druids and attacking no less than 4 human nations, while working on a superweapon to kill all living. Truly a great peacemaker.

Thrall was either cartoonishly incompetent at controlling the horde and clans right next to his seat flagrantly disobeyed his orders or he was a complete and total moron.

>>50424931
They could built a second one.

The thing about a war between two timelines is that if all connections between the two timelines ends.... nothing stops the other timeline to wait 30 years to gather a massive army and attack your timeline on a different time for you, lets say, tomorrow.. ... They are traveling on time and different realities anyway.

So it was wise to make a militar presence there, but yeah, we could just agree that everything on WOD was stupid.

>>50424918
>If you could send 1 gazilions of troops everywhere you could stop any proxy war by force.
Or send a few highly-trained mercenaries and specialists. Nothing says "proxy war" like (arguably) deniable assets.

>>50425189
>>50424918

I loved the whole "buildup" aspect of vanilla. The major powers were all shattered and trying to reestablish themselves, trying to gather allies, resources and influence. The world was a clusterfuck of half-explored zones and secrets everywhere. It was so fucking great. Questing as a human warrior in kalimdor trully felt as being an adventurer sellsword working for goblins and shit. And then blizzard turned everything into boring ass RvB

>>50425042
The warsong VS NE issue was addressed between the two leaders, and it would be solved if Varian was not a dick...

He agreed to trade wood, and 10 minutes later decided to blame the Horde for a Twilight Hammer assult (that had humans too, mind you). Yes, the lore made Varian a retard just to keep the conflict going but he was a alliance retard.

"4 humans nation"... for fuck sake just remember that Arathi and Srormgrade dont exist anymore... They were just ruins and some reatrd farmers that didnt noticed that it would be a very bad idea to continue on a land full on undead.

Sylvanas could wipe Southshore anytime if she really cared but she only did after the retard human king started a war and the retard Warchief wanted her people as meat shield.

Your "4 human nations" would be exactly as they were before (pretty fucked) without Varian`s war.

>>50425293
It was pretty realistic...

Even if you have a huge war machine on your sleeves it is just not easy to deal with political and social problems (like on westfall and redshire)... or even fantasy problems (like darkshire).

I am most a horde player but after some very bad time on Barrens I just loved to quest on Redrige and Elwynn forest as a human...

Elwynn > Westfall > Redrige > Darkshire was the most iconic and fun start zone of the game on Vanilla... Dwarves and NE zones were pretty boring.

Horde just sucks on Barrens... yeah, pretty realistic to have a huge and immense zone like that... but no fun to level at all...

>>50425352
You mean the fact the forsaken killed the prince and raised him as one of their own means they attacked one less nation? nice math.
Next time you will tell us Horde didn't invade Azeroth since they pummeled it to the ground.

No the Horde started the war, not the alliance.
It's hilarious that thrall insist on the NEVER APOLOGIZing even when Horde fuck up.

Would you stop making things up for Horde already? you have being doing it for 3 fucking threads.

Horde is the bad guy from Cata to MoP, period.

>>50425352
You know everything he stated happened "BEFORE" Varian even came back as the leader of Allliance, right?

Who am I kidding, of course you don't.

>>50412821

I miss it, but when I see now I have to do some artunement quest and run all this other shit jus to get into New Kharazan, and then however long that's gonna be, I don't have the patience anymore. Vanilla WoW was an older time in my life, that as much as I miss, I can't go back to. It's fun to think about, but I'd probably chop my fingers off if I had to go through finding 15 people for UBRS, only to arrive and realize nobody has the fucking key.

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>>50425596
>NE zones were pretty boring.

Sometimes I think I'm to only one who enjoyed Darkshore. I only leveled the human kingdoms once, and never again because I thought it was too bland.

>>50425596

Leveling as Hode in Kalimdor was the quintessential frontier experience. Clearing out ogres from NE ruins, exploring deserts, getting bounties on troublesome elementals or wildlife in the jungle, exploring Thousand Needles on foot, etc. It was comfy and adventurous at the same time.

It was even better playing during the nighttime. I miss having actual nights in WoW, especially in Stonetalon Mountains, As I recall, the actual lighting didn't dim very much at all. The color palette just shifted to bluer hues and the skybox was dark blue with a very visible moon.

>>50425797

And of course no one is going to fill in the king what happened while he was away. Its not like he wasnt a slave in the meantime, saw undead in Thunder Bluff doing creepy shit and fought in Warsong Gulch even while he was away and saw the horde firsthand.

>>50425596

I liked the dwarf zones too. It was so peaceful and comfy, having a sort of homefrong with no world ending threats but lots of minor ones cropping up and if you collect the clues they slowly all lead up to gnomeregan and and blackrock depths. To this day I'm sad gnomeregan wasnt an endgame instance like BRD.

>>50426518
>To this day I'm sad gnomeregan wasnt an endgame instance like BRD.
they probably didn't want to make trolls look like even bigger jobbers in comparison
>gnomes were kicked out of their home by endgame instance content
>trolls were kicked out of their home by a level 7 quest mob

>>50425754
I mean the fact that Stormgarde was just a bunch of ruins ruled by Ogres and Syndicate (and they are HUMANS). Did the Alliance apologized to the fact they let that pile of rocks... ahem.. NATION rot? it was not a nation anymore on any kind of point of view.. it is a contested territory, btw the "prince", was killed on Cataclysm (AFTER THE WAR) and joined the Horde by his own will. He is a undead, but he still has his own mind.

The Alliance apologized by Kul Tiras or Dwarv dickery? This is war son. You will not see the US or Russia apologizing by cold war acts that would make look Garrosh a nice guy... both KGB and CIA did some nasty shit supporting ditactorship some fundamentalist genocide groups.

But the fact is that on Vanilla both factions let some shit happens, which would be against the main leader wishs....

> Would you stop making things up for Horde already? you have being doing it for 3 fucking threads.

"Would you stop to add your opnion on a message board"

Grow up...

I did not even posted on the last threads.... do you know that I am not the only guy on the planet that plays Horde right?

>>50425797
he = she? Sylvanas you mean?

yes... and? yeah she was developing a weapon on a world on a constant war... and?

You know that fire ball spells and dwarvs tanks are not for recreation right?

"OMG HUMAN MAGES ARE SO EVIL THEY CREATE FIRE SPELLS TO KILL THINGS BUU HUU"

Varithmas and Putresses started a coup to unleashed "on all kind of living", but Sylvanas and the entire Horde fight against them... and of course you know that but still is writing shit...

Ironically the plague main aim was the scourge.. thats why "it kills undead and alive alike".

And tnen the war started and they used on her enemies.... OF COURSE!

>>50426626

Making two mistakes doesnt undo the first one.

The whole Zalazane shit just reeked of unfinished content, but Gnomeregan was there, it was fucking HUGE and ominous with a lot of leadup, content and possible lore. Not to mention its liberation should have been pretty high on the Alliance laundry list, being a faction capital, factory city and everything. It even has dozens of warplanes and tanks neatly lined up for deployment.

>>50420504

Mind break is kind of boring.

>>50418198
Is Amber Kiernan actually dead?

Why is thunderbluff in the emerald nightmare/dream? Isn't the dream azerith with no civilization?

>>50427153
>Would you stop making things up for Horde already

Tanks were made to fight the fucking Legion, Old Horde, and Scourge dumbass.

They literally didn't exist until the Orks invaded.

Oh wait you're just a Syv fanboy.

>>50428054
It was Vanilla WoW, the Alliance just got more love overall than the Horde back then

Pass through and be the hero.

A new nightmare awaits.

>>50431874
Tauren ain't civilized.

>>50424230
>> The general is born in Alterac when the kingdom itself is in Arathi.
You didn't really bothered to read the lore on Strom'kar, didn't you?
>For weeks, Thoradin and his warriors struggled to conquer the rugged mountain people known as the Alteraci. Though the upstart king was confident he could subdue the tribe if given enough time, he knew the cost would be very high. To prevent unnecessary bloodshed, he changed his tactics.
>Thoradin shed his battle armor and painted his chest with Arathi tribal symbols. With only Strom'kar in hand, he marched up the mountain and challenged the Alteraci leader, Ignaeus, to a duel.
>Before long, Ignaeus emerged from the forest, skin dyed red with his own tribal marks, blade sharpened and hungry for death. He dwarfed Thoradin in size and strength, but the Arathi leader had other advantages. He had chosen the duel on a day when thick fog enveloped the mountains. Using the weather to his advantage, Thoradin eluded Ignaeus's wild swings and disarmed his bigger foe.
>Ignaeus was at Thoradin's mercy, but the Arathi leader did not strike. He plunged Strom'kar into the damp earth and extended the hand of peace. On that day, he won the Alteraci to his side.
The other relevant tribe was from Lordaeron.
>The only human tribe powerful enough to end King Thoradin's dream of unity dwelled in Tirisfal Glades. A great warrior named Lordain led the region's noble people. They would not submit to shows of force like the Alteraci. To win their loyalty, Thoradin needed to appeal to their religious beliefs.
>Thus Thoradin and his personal guards made a pilgrimage to the region's shrines and sacred groves. At each site, the king performed rituals as was the custom of Lordain and his kin. Thoradin even wore a pendant of the silver hand, an image held sacred by Tirisfal's humans.

>>50424230
>No, Lakeshire is in Redridge, and last I check its surrounded by Gnoll settlements,
And Orgrimmar is in Durotan, and no Orcish settlement is located where Agamaggan's vines are, where Quillboar dwell. Which makes Orcs actively pushing Quillboar from their lands debatable.

>>50425104
>They could built a second one.
And they would power it with what? Shadow Council escaped. Sacrificing prisoners is Warlock magic. They already started war against Draenei, so no Arcane or Light power source. And I doubt they would consider using Dark Star, when Ner'zhul was forced to use it relatively recently, under a threat of having his clan wiped out if they won't prove themselves useful (as Dark Shamans were already somehow introduced to Iron Horde already).

>>50425037
How did he do that anyway?

>>50432571
Strom was built later, and even then, Alterac Fortress remained relevant base.
>With the human tribes united, King Thoradin set out to found a new capital. According to one legend, he discovered his answer in a dream. In it, he saw his father wearing the pelt of a black wolf. He told Thoradin of an arid land southeast of Tirisfal Glades. If the king built his capital there, his people would prosper.
>Thoradin sought out the land from his dream, a region known today as the Arathi Highlands. As the story goes, the king spied a black wolf roaming the barren terrain. On that spot, Thoradin used Strom'kar to carve out the boundaries of his city in the dirt. Then he set his masons to work.
>So arose Strom, mighty capital of the first human kingdom.

>>50431181
yes.
I'm sure eventually Alliance players will get to see one of their Pandaria bros die on screen though
>rip in peace Mishka

>>50432571
>>50432639
is this from Chronicles? Sounds based

>>50432639

>Strom'Kar's ability does shadow damage

What did they mean by this? It's the only way a warrior can do shadow damage by abilities alone

>>50433304

I think it's from the in-game artifact research notes.
>mfw reading about the Aldrachi Warblades

Absolute badasses

>>50433618
cause it was stuck in a C'thraxxi's head for 6000 years and sucked up a bunch of Old God juice

>>50433655
I only have one chapter done on my demon hunter, but the DK and warlock knowledge is fucking metal

>>50433304
Artefact Research Notes. All of artefact notes are on wowhead:
http://www.wowhead.com/artifact-weapon-guides
In case of Strom'kar: http://www.wowhead.com/arms-warrior-artifact-weapon-stromkar-the-warbreaker-guide
Includes images of variants, along with special versions that are gained through special items that unlock such appearance, usually gained through quests, reputation, raids, dungeons, or world bosses.

>>50426173
EK early questing was dealing with the problems of civilization - bandits, cults, raiders, assorted first-world problems.
Kalimdon early questing was dealing with the problems of the frontier and wilderness - wild beasts, supply routes, raiders and barbarians.

>>50428054
The gnomes insisted that Gnomeregan was a gnome problem they needed to fix themselves. They weren't happy about basically freeloading in Ironforge as much as anyone else was, but they were too proud to ask the Alliance to divert massive resources to help retake even a piece of the city. It doesn't help that most of the vault capital is still irradiated.

>>50434395
Reminder that Defias Brotherhood did nothing wrong and that Kingdom of Stormjews deserve everything it will get.

>>50434420
considering all the tech industry and war amchines in the city the alliance could use i doubt it would be too much to get some help.

>>50431874
Emerald Dream Azeroth is indeed Azeroth in its most natural state without the influence of civilization. It's effectively the "factory reset image" of Azeroth. It's why the Emerald Nightmare is such a big threat and is a top priority of the druids: if the Emerald Dream is compromised, there is no plan B for Azeroth.

>>50434443

Yeah, it just makes a lot of sense to reclaim an factory city full of abandoned supplies, machinery and war equipment. A simple cost-benefit analysis would show the gnomes that asking for some help to reclaim such a huge asset is much better than bumming around in Ironforge for over a decade.

With a bit of expansion Gnomeregan could have been a great instance. Add some spooky shit like mutations and more ominious ties like the dark iron ambassadors and its golden.

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>"Sally is what one would call 'unconventional', a loose cannon that has given every guard captain she's served under such bouts of severe chronic heartburn, it even makes the Firelord cringe. Unfortunately for law enforcement bureaucrats everywhere, the knee-high bundle of righteous fury that is Sally doesn't even give a second thought to political woes. All that matters to her is justice and results, achieving these by any means necessary. So what if she 'borrowed' heaps of illegal weapons and magic from the evidence locker to get the job done? So what if she caused more damage than the criminal she was chasing? So what if she breaks a few eggs to make some omelets? She gets the job done, doesn't she? This reckless attitude has seen Sally plastered with commendations throughout her career, congratulating her for the crooks she has caught... but among these commendations are almost countless charges of misconduct. Sally is clearly crazy and will often throw herself into what seem unwinnable situations, but this is when she's at her best, relishing any challenge that comes her way. As her Hearthstone card aptly displays, she'd rather be blown up with a Power Overwhelming than let any of the enemy minions live. Perhaps the strangest thing about Sally, stranger than her burning blue eyes and apparent love for sirens, is that no one really knows where she came from. She just showed up and started dispensing justice. She's not even on the city payroll! She's like a small angry Batman, dishing out her own brand of justice to any criminal unfortunate to be caught in her gaze. While the lawless scum of Gadgetzan mean that Sally's job is never ending, there's no other place she'd rather be, exhilarated by the challenge of cleaning up the streets. All criminals fear her and are quick to run if they catch a glimpse of her shocking pink pigtails or the light emanating from her sirens."
DK World Police

>>50434479
Gnomeregan is spooky as is, dealing with the irradiated gnomes who all went irreparably crazy, including Mekkatorque's second-in-command who declared himself the new god-king of the gnomes in the heart of the capital. The rest of the instance is cleaning up the city and any trogg incursions.

>>50434502
LITERALLY DK INTERPOL
>Not on the official payroll
>Just shows up and starts cracking skulls
>"Ends justify the means"
>Wears police siren shoulderpads
>Would sooner die than let criminals go unpunished

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>>50434508

Right? It was like one big haunted house with all those creepy groaning and creaking noises and weird music. I especially loved how they even added a little holdout for contrast.

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>>50434719
Gnome themes are naturally light-hearted and whimsical (the main theme has a dedicated kazoo section), so the quiet gnome theme while traversing through the depths of the capital lends to the atmosphere. It's not quite like a zombie survival game because you can readily defend yourself, but it could easily become one.

Hell, that could be a Warcraft one-shot in itself: play as a few gnome holdouts hiding deep in the city a few days after the irradiation, and make your way past the troggs and crazy gnomes to escape to the surface, Resident Evil-style (or House of the Dead-style if you want maximum ham).

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Alternate races that could potentially become Demon Hunters?

Humans and Trolls, maybe? They can both be warlocks and they're noted for their versatility.

>>50435345
In the old RPG books the Argent Dawn was mentioned to have some human DHs in their ranks.

>>50435345
trolls
demons be loa mon, give 'em da Drakkari treatment

>>50435345

Humans and orcs.

>>50435345
Eventually, all races are eligible for Demon Hunter except maybe Draenei due to their immense fear of Fel.

Reminder that blood elves notwithstanding (since they get demon hunters), dwarves and trolls are the two most versatile races in WoW.

>>50426173
Right in the feels.
I liked nights in the barrens.

>>50435523
elves and trolls are the best candidates because they passively absorb magic
becoming a demon hunter already sucks ass when your physiology actively helps it, trying to do it as a human or orc would be awful

>>50432171
Which was painfully obvious if you played horde. Like only a fith of the players did before the fapbait.

>>50435345
Trolls definitely, they clearly did that before:
>Warlocks tread dangerous ground in dealing with demons, but our demoniacs take this one step further. Through an ancient and arcane ritual, they allow a demon to enter their being. Rather than let it possess them though, they enslave the demon from the inside, absorbing the power of the beast for their own command. It is a feat few are ever able to master.
from http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Paragons_of_Power:_The_Demoniac%27s_Wraps
The set http://wow.gamepedia.com/Demoniac%27s_Threads

>>50435630

God those sound incredibly badass.

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http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Assault_on_Lost_Veil_Anzu#Horde
>This quest functions a bit differently than the others. While in the quest area, players are debuffed with "Amorphic Cogitator: Killing enemies may cause your strange companion to evolve." After killing and looting a creature, make sure to right-click it again to consume it. As evolution progresses, players will deal substantially more damage to creatures, and eventually the companion will evolve into a spore walker, granting the player a few abilities to nigh-instantly complete the quest.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Amorphic_Cognitor
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Zangar_encroachment
What if the Summoned Old God from Outland that was attempted to be summoned by Arakkoa was an Old God of Draenor, and it was responsible for Zangar encroachment?
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Breakers
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Primals
Truly, Draenor is Australia of the Great Dark Beyond.

>>50435345
I'd love Fel Orc and Eredar Demon Hunters once we beat the Legion or something

>>50435658
Quotes from other pieces:
>The demoniac seeks to embody power outright, not just possess it. More than one of our demoniacs has lost a fight with a demon; with our enemies threatening us - especially in Zul'Gurub - the power that a demoniac is able to unleash on our foes is worth the sacrifice. Our survival depends on crushing those who would destroy us; the fall of the Gurubashi Empire taught us this.
>Well done, <name>. The Paragons of Power from Zul'Gurub should act as a reminder of wasted power. The Gurubashi were strong at their height, but they allowed themselves to be consumed by it. A demoniac knows that the game they play is much similar, but the power unleashed is often the very thing needed for survival.

>The ultimate symbol of power amongst the tribe is the garb we wear in battle. A demoniac's robes have fused fine runecloth and devastatingly powerful mojo into a single fabric. The visage of the robe is said to instill fear into the minds of all who see it... especially the demons that the demoniac will eventually dominate.

And from final upgrade of the necklace:
>Call forth your demons, <class>. Let them bask in the energy of Kezan's Taint. Command them on the field of battle! Decimate the enemy!
Flay the flesh from their corpses. Watch as the shadows consume the Hakkari. Draw power from their fear, <class>. Let Kezan's Taint augment this power...

>>50416076
Well, now I know what bugged me about his character.
Great potential, written like a fart

>>50436037
>Well, now I know what bugged me about the WoW lore
>Great potential, written like a fart

>>50435723
daily reminder that the Botani are a significantly greater threat in the long run than the Iron Horde were
at any second, a single spore could drift through one of the dozens of portals to Azeroth on AU Draneor and start an infestation of plant monsters

>>50436428

This. Its so laughably funny, how the the raison d'etre of going to the AU is supposedly stopping the Iron Horde but you absolutely SHIT on them, while all the little side factions like Gorian Empire, botani, arakkoa space lazers, sentient encroaching shroom retcons controlled by old gods, even the titans discarded sentient bulldozing equipment are much more interesting and dangerous than nigger orcs having a chimpout.

>>50431941
>The plague was made to fight the scourge, old gods, and legion

It wasnt even invented until the scourge wiped out the strongest human nation and the legion nearly destroyed the night elves

>Inb4 muh furries
They're horrible abominations from another dimension, a threat to Azeroth.

Be grateful for the plague, allyfag

O wait your just want Anduin's boipussy

>>50436428
>>50436550
Wouldn't it be great if we came back from Argus,victorious from defeating Sargeras or whatever awaits us there, and find the whole of the Eastern Kingdoms (remember, there's still an open portal directly from the Everbloom to Stormwind) overtaken by sentient fungi and murderous plants?

>>50400512

I love slutty night elves.

>>50410943
that khadgar does kinda look like the facelifted one

the one in tbc looked kinda like generic w3 archmage

>>50437642

Thats a dragon sarge, larger kind'o slut.

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>>50437770
Would you a Lady Prestor?

>>50437867
Not him, but absolutely.

After a lavish dinner though so she's not hungry.

>>50437867
My cock would render her mindbroken to the point she became sane from the old god's corruption.

>>50438501
>Attempting to out-fuck an old god
>Implying you can induce ahegao in a dragon
Good luck with that, chief.

>>50402295
It's gotta be either Alexstrasza or Ysera. Both of their forms look so goddamn good

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>>50402295
Alex. She's the most kindhearted and most powerful of the dragons; she really is the MILF of Azeroth.

>>50410688
Are you implying that there's anything wrong with her being fap bait?

There's a shit ton to criticize about her, but her having big undead tits and an ass that won't quit isn't one of them to me

>>50434796
>tfw gnomes will never step out of joke territory and become the asura of wow.

I want to see the gnomes dropping nukes and showing off

>>50438622
>not striving to reach the impossible

If you're in charge mankind would had never got farther than consensual hand holding.

>>50411682
PersonalAmi is seriously one of my favorite lewd artists

>>50438812
Wanna bet how loose she is after all that forced breeding orcs did to her?

>>50438875
The difference between gnomes and Guild Wars asura is that gnomes are not (outwardly) snobbish about their intelligence or and don't come off as assholes in general. Also, asuran learning and social mobility is much more structured, with specific colleges for different specialties.

>>50438622
It's not my will, but simply the furious compulsion of lust that I must obey.

I didn't state my intention - I stated what is going to happen if the opportunity arises, regardless of the consequences of circumstances.

>>50439094

Well, the gnomes do equip and maintain all the more special alliance forces, subs, airships, gyrocopters and the like. They have their own little comfortable niche.

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>>50438934
I don't think it works like that champ

>>50434432
> Gets their biggest sympathizer killed
> Drove the other into deep depression
> did nothing wrong

Their problem would have been solved way earlier if they weren't a bunch of idiots.

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>>50437867

>>50437642
Friendly remember that NEs are canonically sluts...

> If you want to engage the mind of a Night Elf girl, you're going to have to stand out. Sure, we've all heard the tales of Night Elf lasses dancing on mailboxes and stripping to pay for Nightsaber training. True or not, if you want to light that lovely lady's lips up with a smile, you gotta be unique, memorable and confident.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=49926/brazies-black-book-of-secrets#comments

And Draenei chicks are pure...

ALSO WTF!! http://www.wowhead.com/item=49917/brazies-gnomish-pleasure-device

>>50438622
>implying thats not the kind of thing a top level adventurer would be able to do.

>>50440611
there are some interesting storylines that could be explored with the gnomes though

like what if they actively worked hard to remain a joke, what if they actually invented the nuke a bunch of times already but have their own secret service working overtime to ensure the blueprints never fall into the hands of anyone actually willing to use it because they don't want to expose the world to that level of warfare

could even bring in a lot of inter-faction conflict if the conspiracy started to unravel and the other races realize just how much more efficient they could have been fighting the various threats around the world.

Another direction to go with the gnomes could be transhumanism. Gnomes are a dying race, very few of them are left and they're not the greatest at procreation.
So an interesting storyline could be them essentially giving up on biological reproduction and instead starting to work on reversing the curse of flesh and returning to a robotic state as well as starting production on sapient mechanognomes. Would be something to make them stand out as unique and perhaps even introduce a counterpart to the forsaken on the alliance side.

>>50441096
they go through 1000+ years without a man in their lives. Occasionally they'll have to let off some steam to keep themselves sane

>>50441199

Nah those would be needlessly edgy. Just let them take the whole of Gnomeregan back. Maybe make it into a technological amusement park with rides and toys and minigames strewn around and a couple of errand/phased quests about rebuilding it. The gnomish sub returning from Vashj'ir as a mobile quest hub in some southern seas based expansion pack would be pretty neat too.

>>50441199
>>50441287
>Doubting the Tripple-dubs

Look, I don't really like the idea, either, but maybe hes onto something here.

>>50438812
>most kindhearted
Only since her sister left the building... country... planet and plane.
Ysera was pure goodwill and nearly innocent kindness

>>50441287
I didn't mean it as edgy, just give them a few serious plotlines
and the whole mechanognome thing could even bring in a bunch of sillyness, they're still gnomes after all they wouldn't suddenly become all angsty because they got turned into a robot. The more common response would be to take as much advantage of their new and improved non-living state as possibly by doing things like petting fire elementals, exploring the ocean depth without protective gear, upgrading themselves with build-in jetpacks and showing off just how resistant they are to explosives infront of as many goblins as possible

it would just give them something interesting to do and advance their storyline

and sadly gnomeregan will likely never be recovered because its simply to close to ironforge

only way I could see it work is if they recovered it, and immediately decided to one-up those dalaran pussies by dimensionally shifting their entire city into orbit of Argus to serve as the alliance forward base in the invasion
but that role would be taken by the exodar anyways

>>50441420

It would also directly contradict that one storylines they actually got in Borean Tundra.

>>50441411
> Ysera was pure goodwill and nearly innocent kindness
Also sleepy cuddling.

>>50441478
which one?
Borean Tundra is a bit of a vague haze in my mind

>>50441494

When they get cursed into becoming mechagnomes and they are absolutely horrified and go out of their way to destroy mechagnomes as aberrations from now on.

>>50441507
because it was against their will
also a few npc's actually say being turned into mechanognomes "perfected them" and didn't mind the transformation that much

>>50441561

Cause they were brainwashed. When they get turned back they all talk about how horrible it was.

Why does Odyn make you prove your worth in literally thousands of stupid trials when you spent half of Wrath slapping around val'kyr, stormforged and Titan watchers?

You should be able to walk up to the Halls of Valor and watch him shit himself.
>"I... I recognize those boots. Those used to belong to Algalon the Observer."
>Yeah. They used to.
>"Take the Aegis and please don't hurt me."

>>50441612
some of them don't mind it to much even after being turned (according to the dialog files for the npc's in question) and the big issue was that the big bad of that quest was creating slaves, not fully sapient robots

>>50441644

Cause that would be racist, sexist, ableist, specieist and opressive aganist those who never did Algalon so we cant reference old content.

Why do nelves have fangs?

I find it pretty hot

>>50441868
Vestigial tusks.

>>50441096
Let's not forget the steamy romance novels and that tentacle staff

>ywn be a human paladin who turns himself beck to his ancestors stone form in order to purge the enemies of humanity in a more efficient fashion.

Also does anyone else think Worgan would have made better shamans than druids, obviously there was nothing else to fill out the second druid race, but shamanism seems like something that would be applicable to the Worgan.

>>50441678
Fair enough, but it's still aggravating to get the "puny mortal" routine when we puny mortals made a weekly habit of mugging Odyn's kind for their loot.

Weren't he and the other watchers created specifically to watch for the Old Gods getting loose? You would think he'd be at least impressed that we finished off Y'sharrj - something that even his own creators couldn't manage.

>>50441868
For nibbling.

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>>50441644
why does Skovald thing following behind you without doing any of the trials himself qualify him for the Aegis?
why does Odyn make warrior PCs do Halls and fight him in Trial despite already deciding that they're the greatest mortal on Azeroth?

because he's a fucking dink that screws with people for no reason

>>50442285
Like the real Odin?

>>50442692
>Odin
>real

>>50442708
>t. Snorri Sturluson

new thread
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>>50442752
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