Hektor Heresy

What's the correct grammatical version of "pertaining to the atlantos worlds?"

Atlantic?
Atlantosi?
Altantian?

Which Chaos Warband so far is your favorite?

>>50370489
I like the singers myself. Lots of potential in building a choral themed chaos warband that fights and communicates with songs and hymns.

>>50370566
>inb4 barbershop quartet acapella harmonies to the Ruinous Powers
or Disney-esque musical renditions
pls do Disney musicals

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Yo, Snek, assault pack devastators are a thing now, you still want in?

So here's a hypothetical.

Lets say Young Ronin takes the Dreameaters to a magical place and we end up with a pretty nice end product.

Could we just move the Mastadontii to a lost legion slot? If there's concerns about loyalist/traitor Balance we could just rip the legion in half, or do a reverse Eyes and have the Primarch go traitor even.

>>50372033
>Could we just move the Mastadontii to a lost legion slot?
No lost legions. We aren't doing that for any reason. Wouldn't when Ronin was coming around originally, won't do it now.

What's the status of adapting the warbands into the FF rpgs?

>>50372309
It wouldn't be using them. It would just be putting unused legions in their slots

>>50372387
Which is using them. Look, we hardline shut down Ronin when he asked if we could make use of the slots, and if we use them now, it would be hypocritical.

If ANYONE is here, get int he IRC, we're having a holiday... social.. .thing. Come drink with us.

>>50372741
irc.thisisnotatrueending.com

#hektorheresy

It's not hard, just google it

>>50370764
As the acting herald of the reptile regent, I must accept

>>50372033
I'd rather not take extreme measures to keep the Mastodontii around. They were rewritten as a stopgap because some contributors wanted the roster filled out promptly and problems were continuing with the troubled Slot 7. Basically, if the group feels that Ronin's finished draft of the Dreameaters is an improvement on the Mastodontii, we shouldn't cringe away from improving the project by making the switch.

>>50370764
This is the best news I've had all week

>>50374790
>>50373727
So the problem with drop devastators is ammo, right? They can't wear those big ammo backpacks when they have jetpacks on. Well the solution doesn't really need to be found, they can just drop into position, fire their heavy weapons once, then ditch them and pull out their bolt pistol and chainsword. All the best parts of vanguard and sternguard vets rolled into one! Except specialist ammo. And easy access to power weapons. So maybe not ALL the best parts.

>>50377071
That's logistical retardation.

>>50377128
Ah, but if only we had a chapter that specialized in jump operations and had a much stronger than average industrial base! Then it would make perfect sense. And maybe if Aubs sees it, he's like, "Yo, Arelex, hook me up with some of that," or maybe he just copies him, I don't know.

Either way, it's tactically useful and viable with some legions.

>>50377071
Or, we keep some ammo and double the size of the jumppack. That would require specialised equipment, but the Zealots do have a spare forge world lying around.

>>50377181
>"Brother, cripple your maneuverability with this large weapon system."
>"Of course Brother-Sergeant, I'll still be more fleet than my brethren! And with the power of a meltacanon at my disposal, my brothers and I will be whirlwinds upon the battlefield! Now where will my ammunition for this beast be secured?"
>"Oh you won't get any. Just what's in the weapon will be all you have."
>"Pardon me, Brother-Sergeant?"
>"You'll only have the one shot, brother."
>"So let me get this straight, brother-Sergeant..."
>"Of course."
>"I, and my squad, are to sacrifice some of our maneuverability with this jump pack in order to lug around these weapons."
>"Correct."
>"As well as my standard armament."
>"Indeed."
>"But I don't get to have more than a shot or two."
>"Astute as ever, brother."
>"Then what do I do? Use this weapon of the Emperor's wrath as a bludgeon?"
>"If you insist. I suggest abandon the weapon once it is used."
>"So, to clarify, you expect Brother Varius, who has been issued a Plasma Canon, a relatively rare piece of equipment, to simply toss ancient instrument of destruction to the side as if it where a broken autorifle?"
>"Well I wouldn't say that..."
>"But that's what you expect to happen."
>"Er...more or less, brother."
>*sigh* "Who am I to question the wisdom of the Primarch?"
>"That's the spirit, Brother!"

>>50377457
It's hardly crippling manueverability if you fire the things right after you drop. The idea here is to have these guys doing a combat drop, firing, then ditching their weapons to charge. Fire and forget weapons are pretty common among drop troops because ammo reserves are hard to carry.

Plus your assaultmarines are just standing around looking dumb for the turnafter they drop anyways, because you can't charge on the turn you deepstrike.

>>50377457
>"So, to clarify, you expect Brother Varius, who has been issued a Plasma Canon, a relatively rare piece of equipment, to simply toss ancient instrument of destruction to the side as if it where a broken autorifle?"
Although this is a good point, and I think the Eternal Zealot version would probably not allow the use of plasma cannons and las cannons on these units since they don't have the crazy industiral base and archeotech foundries of the War Scribes.

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>>50377258
>>50377181

>>50377258
>Or, we keep some ammo and double the size of the jumppack.
That's called a land speeder, and they already exist.

>>50377588
>Fire and forget weapons are pretty common among drop troops because ammo reserves are hard to carry.
This is true, but they carry light versions of those weapons. And those weapons are never rare equipment or hard to manufacture because that's harming their logistics. So mainly light missile launchers is what we're talking here.
But this is a single squad, not an entire legion of the fuckers, thus making crippling assault troops with heavy equipment a redundant task when you could have 2 specialised units covering each others weaknesses.

But hey, this kind of design choice gave us the Bradley, and the F35 so it has precedent!

Combining things can lead to great things. But it usually leads to sub-par crap at best.

>>50377588
>It's hardly crippling manueverability if you fire the things right after you drop.
That doesn't stop it from being ridiculous. After the 29th plasma canon gets lost in the heat of battle, Logistics may begin questioning how useful this actually is.

>Fire and forget weapons are pretty common among drop troops because ammo reserves are hard to carry.
Yes, extra ammo is a pain in the ass. Which is why SAW, and got forbid 240 Bravo, gunners LOVE getting into firefights, so they can start expending ammo. But fire and forget doesn't mean fire and fuckin leave for the enemy to pick up. "Fire and Forget" systems are systems that you can fire and the projectile can guide itself to the target, but you NEVER just drop a weapon on the ground. Even when a soldier gets dropped one of the first tasks of a battle buddy not applying CLS or actual medical attention is to grab his weapon, or give it back to him if he's still good to fight.

>Plus your assaultmarines are just standing around looking dumb for the turnafter they drop anyways, because you can't charge on the turn you deepstrike.
Then why not just use termies or land speeders?

Look, I wouldn't mind this if it wasn't relegated to Missle Launchers and flamers, but I get the feeling folks want meltaguns and plasmacanons jumping about the field.

>>50377978
Yeah, to be honest I kind of already realized these issues last night, but I did so AFTER I told snek he could have his toy, so I was hoping I could justify it and not have to take it away from him.

I actually ended up making the War Scribes drop shooty types have combi-bolters rather than heavy weapons, as it makes a lot more sense to have an assault rifle and an underslung special weapon than a giant expensive metal brick.

You guys realize that jump pack dudes with heavy weapons is already a thing, right? Destroyer squads can take rad missile launchers.

>>50378124
Yeah, underslung weapons are the shit. The 203 grenade launcher is fucking awesome.

But sometimes we don't get to have our cake, nor eat it too

>>50378143
Sounds rad

Imperial Army traitor regiment concept

The Tiberian Meteors
http://pastebin.com/mWwPPdE8

Judge Dredd + ODSTs

So does primarch development happen differently in this AU? Because reading through your guy's wiki pages, I see references to primarchs's "childhoods" and "teenage years" and "twenties", which doesn't make a ton of sense.

Primarchs are fully mature in 2 or 3 solar years, so they aren't going to have distinct life stages like humans would.

>>50378263
Looks good, but three paragraps in a row you use After as the first or second word in the paragraph. Not really a error per se, just distracting.

>>50378311
Hah, whoops

"The fight began; Aubrey toyed with Vex, hunting his prey, slowly frying him"

AUBREY EATS PEOPLE

>>50378356
And in other news, Aubrey's entire backstory seems dependent on primarchs and legions that no longer exist.

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>>50378433
WARP FUCKERY
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>>50378433
How so?

>>50378448
It just is. Read his wiki page. Bohemond, krans-whatever, their legions, and the children of armok, no longer exist.

>>50378525
It doesn't need that much altering. Just replace the Children with the Justicars, and then leave things ambiguous after the destruction of Lazarus to him bringing Hektor to Cadia a la Lorgar.

>>50378433
Working on it, but the Zealots get priority

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>Talking about jetpack devastators being OP...

>>50378286
Yeah, the AU has tilted too far towards "slow growth". There are a couple of OU Primarchs who might mature more slowly than the norm and certainly take their planet's age of majority as a salient event (Guilliman, Dorn, Perturabo), so the odd reference to age isn't way out, but it's something we should dial way down. I've amended the pages I'm responsible for and will try bringing it up with other contributors. Thanks for the catch.

>>50381933
I wonder if it's q coincidence that the guys with a well established society with good recording are the ones who didn't get a "grew fully in 2 years" myth.

>>50370051
How do terminator marines eat?

There are stories about terminators holding a position for weeks at a time, but they have to eat. Does that mean terminator armor has tanks of liquified food, and party staw rigs on the inside to drink it?

>>50382588
Power armor has systems in which waste is recycled into a nutrient paste that the marines can live off of for a while.

>>50382597
Well that's appetizing.

On further inspection, a singular character with something like this >>50381867
>>50377769
Would be pretty great.

>>50382498
I wouldn't go that far. Guilliman's growth is described as "unnaturally" quick and Dorn's early years are largely unrecorded. Only Perturabo seems to have an extended period in which he's talked about as a "boy" and is half the size of the warriors he defeats, and even then we don't actually know how long it lasts.

>>50381867
This seems like some improbable shit.

Yo, Roman, is your primarch's backstory a babylon 5 reference, or was the couro prido an actual historical thing?

So what exactly are the 18 Legions? Some pages I'm seeing the Crimson Teeth, some places its the Dream-Eaters.

>>50385990
I'm almost certain that it's a B5 reference.

>>50386444
There have been several change proposals for the Traitor Legions this month. The Crimson Teeth are gone for sure. The Dreameaters were drafted as a replacement candidate but linked into other articles before time - as things stand, they're unlikely to actually replace the CT, edged out by a rewrite of the Mastodontii. Things should be more settled by the end of the month.

>>50386694
that's a shame. I loved the ideas/aesthetic of the Crimson Teeth

>>50386694
>>50385990
Yeah its a nod to that show. Probably should obscure it a bit more but I was a little lazy for the writing.

>>50386444
The seventh legion has been notorious for its instability, the Crimson Teeth being replaced by the Crimson Eagles because they where bad, then replaced by the Dreameaters because they where creatively restricting, then replaced by the Mastadontii because of political cloak and dagger and interpersonal drama between autistic bitch boys.

Now one of our number is trying to mantle the Dreameaters and put them back in the VIIth slot, despite all odds. Bless his heart.

I suspect come 2017 we'll have either fever dream yakuza or cavemen in bawkses for good.

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>>50387923
Don't make promises you can't keep.

Cals old Dreameaters cultural notes, I may end up using most of this.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oGHM_MSWB3upPjkPexQv5IP_wdelLwifZgA7JF1nuM4/edit?usp=drive_web

What do ya'll think?

>>50378356
>>50378433
>>50378445
>>50378448
>>50378525
>>50379559
>>50381302

Legion over the Primarch.

I have notes for Aubrey, don't worry about it, page will be updated as soon as possible.

>>50389593
I've started to add new stuff to the legion page again. Next up, the sudden but inevitable xeno-betrayal, ETA maybe by the end of the weekend.

>>50389329
>Respect is for life
So betrayers would still be afforded respect if they earned it?
But just having rank gets you it too?
How would this play out with traitor/loyalist factions?
My only suggestion here would be to give them a ritualised and authoritarian command structure. Develop that with deep beliefs in loyalty to ones superiors, while simultaneously and contradictorily glorifying ambition and revenge.

>Masks
Would they eschew helmets altogether, or are they just customised visors etc?
The latter seems neatest way to deal with this if not already planned.
Throw in to their tactics an exponentially increasing operational tempo (based around three principles of beginning, breaking, and the conclusion) and this will reference Japanese Noh theatre while fitting their current doctrine.
It would also tie the masks to something else, while developing the traditions on music and expression simultaneously.
Following on from that, you could also make the legion value visual aesthetics, to the point war becomes a sort of theatre.
Post heresy this would give them a lot of potential for interesting symbolic objectives.

So far the legion seems to be riffing heavily off the Triads and Samurai Champloo/anime in general... Which isn't necessarily a bad thing
Why not throw in John Woo tropes too though?

Thats my two cents anyhow.

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As for the debate over Assault Devs.
I may have some ideas or solutions.

It may be glorious or fucking mary-sue.

I'll keep people posted, but the concept may be touched upon spiritually.

Pic related.
Or is it?

>>50390144
An assault Dev may work as a single unit that has highly specialized and bad ass equipment that doesn't see the light of day outside of 30k and End Times.

The same applies to an Assault Dread, although I can only really see the Contemptor chassis working, at least on an aesthetic level. Leviathans and Mortis would be too heavy, and the Box Dread isnt very sexy

>>50389688
>>50389329
Neat, I happily await progress.

>>50390276
The suggestions in >>50389688 aren't Ronins. Though he's free to use them.

>>50390276

The concept I have in mind is somewhere between a Dreadknight and a Centurion, leaning more toward a miniature Dreadknight.

A Digitigraded [Dog legged] Exosuit, with a marines actual legs stopping at the suits thigh.
No additional armour on the front, Weapon is connected to the suit via an exoskeletal arm, connected at the 'waist' of the suit, to assist with stabilization/keeping a hold of it during flight.

X-Bawks sized Pauldrons used as an ammo dump and an upscaled jump-pack.

Melee Variants lose the pauldrons and gain a chest plate, additionally gaining a sizeable shield

Usually seen in squads of three.

I'm having difficulty finding materials to show this visually.
I also suck at drawing.

There, I threw a concept into the ring.

I miss the centaur suits.

>>50391379
As post heresy technological shenanigans, or sooper speshul admech gubbins that sounds fine.

But visually, thematically, and technologically its incongruous with the vast majority of other Astartes gear.

Honestly the most elegant solution is to have a pack like this, >>50377769, and in the fluff it's a downgrade from both dedicated assault squads and dedicated Devastor squads in terms of manueverability and ammunition stores, but on paper just emplace some restrictions on movement so they're not as jumpy as regular assault marines. Or something. Just none of that "dropping a priceless heavy weapon like it's a used firecracker" homosexuality.

As for a jumpin dreadnaught a Contemptor seems to be the best chassis to slap jets on. Fuck it, just make a new chassis, even.

>>50391748
>elegent

Not the word I would use.
I would honestly prefer to create something original as compared to slapping mini jump-packs on devs.

>>50392605
How's about "simple"

>Original
You a heretek, son?

>>50392738
Bitch I might be.

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Here, this should be about right.

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>>50393500
>tfw you realise the Eternal Zealots are actually pretty much a re-imagining of the Tau as an Astartes Legion....

>>50393619
You make it sound like that's a bad thing

>>50393619
Yes.... The Assault focused religious zealots are a tau "re-imagining"... Sure.

>>50393619
Eh. We basically had the Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition, and Mechanicum as Space Marine Legions at one point. Taking from the Tau bitz box is a misdemeanor by comparison.

>>50393619
You fuckers didn't notice that?


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Fucking
Keks

So what do you guys think is the most interesting Legion/other force currently in HH fluff? (This may or may not be a shameless attempt to bump the thread, but damn it, I want answers)

>>50394840
Purely as a force? The Vetrovnak. They don't have interesting characters, but I like the concept and world-building.

>>50394840
Depends which HH you mean. If you mean canon, I'd choose the Imperial fists, as the HH took them from the most boring legion to the most interesting one.

If you mean the AU, then I choose the Black Augurs, because they bore me less than the rest of the AU.

>>50385990
>>50387165
Well shit, with this B5 stuff in mind, Uriel is turning into Bester in my head, they even look the same.

Lumey if you are around, can you come in IRC briefly please?
Should only take a few minutes.

You know what we need?

More fluff for the Ostish Warbands.
That should he our priority.

>>50398661
do it then fggit

>>50398661
Busy with legion rules, otherwise I'd help. If you have to neglect any warband, neglect the singers. I'll happily take up writing for them once I finish with my current project.

>>50394906
I should probably get around to fixing that some time. Though I guess being pretty big on consensus they'd shy away from strong, interesting characters.

>>50378263
Still looking for feedback.

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I want to make a Chaos Warband of Nurgle themed around rust and destroying fortifications, Nurgle as entropy to all artifice, not just living things, but I don't know where to fit them in. Help?

>>50402589
I believe that some of the Heralds of Hektor specialise in destroying fortifications, maybe start there?

>>50380492

>>50402589
>>50403326
According to 1d4chan, the Steel Marshals were doctrinally focused on Siege Warfare. It'd be pretty easy to have a group of traitors leave the Legion during the Heresy

>>50405776
Never bump with bump.

>>50402589
What do you mean? You don't know where to fit them in time, or which legion, or what?

>The 30th Millennium was a wonderous era, full of technological wonders and advancement. The flourishing Imperium was filled with arcane technology and sweeping advances in the armaments of humanity. No clearer where these advances than in the ranks of the mighty Astartes, gene forged warriors equiped with advanced armour systems and bristling with devastating armaments. These marines where the strongest of the Imperium's warriors, and even in death did they serve. For warriors that where too stubborn to die or too valuable to loose to the clutches of death, the embrace of a Dreadnought's sarcophagus awaited them.

>The Dreadnought armour system was equal parts life support and unyielding weapon of destruction, a hermetically sealed prosthetic body that towered above even the mighty Terminator power armour. From the mythcial Leviathan pattern to the vaunted Castraferrum, every Dreadnought was an invaluable relic and bore an ancient, storied agent of the Emperor's wrath. Typically a Dreadnought lacks much of the fluidity and dexterity of his former body, and in some patterns, speed. To fill this tactical gap two Dreadnought patterns were developed alongside the Leviathan. If the Leviathan Dreadnought where to be an Imperator titan than the other two were Warhounds, Dreadnought chassis built to substitute some measure of defense for much needed speed.

>The Lycaon pattern has much in common with the Castraferrum, in that the sarcophagus and torso is similar in design. However it's legs have more in common with an Army Walker, giving the stature of a Contemptor, but with long striding legs that allow it to traverse over dangerous terrain much easier than a Castraferrum.

>The Cygnus Pattern is to the Contemptor what the Coruvs Power Armour pattern is to Iron. While the Contemptor has more armour and options for armament, the Cygnus Dreadnought has tactical systems that are vastly superior to the Contemptor, allowing the interred marine to have a sort of precognition on the battlefield. It's lighter frame affords it greater movement and dexterity, allowing it to wield a greater variety of melee weapons, as well as mighty jump packs, making it a fearsome pattern indeed.

>>50405813
or you could have them as a Steel Marshals successor chapter that turn traitor later on, whatever works best for you

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>>50411228

Where is everyone?

>>50411170
>>50411228
>>50411239
We Battletech now!

>>50412613

>>50412591
Busy week for me. Other folks have exams or post-exam celebrations at the moment.

>>50412591
Drunk.

>>50412591
Got family visiting for Thanksgiving weekend, so not a lot of time for working.

>>50412591
Entering IRC and leaving within seconds it would appear

>>50414243
Guilty as charged. I have been spending my time in Deathwing rather than writing

>>50414347
There are nor abominable ways of spending you time, I suppose

>>50416955
Indeed

>>50412591
Working, mostly.

I want to make null marines, but people say I shouldn't. Tell me why.

>>50420535
Well mostly because it makes you look like a retard.

As to WHY, it's a matter of rarity and compatibility.

Blanks are exceedingly rare, some of the rarest human variants in the universe. Any blanks that don't get murdered as kids because they're psychic freaks get grabbed by the =][= or Culexus Temple to turn into Psyker Rapists. The Imperium won't waste time or resources turning them into an Astartes, a process that doesn't even have a 100% success rate, which brings us to problem 2.

Secondly, the compatibility issue, is mostly hypothetical. Geneseeds are derived from the flesh of the Emperor, more or less, and the Emperor, and his Primarchs, are psychic powerhouses. What would happen if you put a fragment of Psyker DnA into a souless antipsyker abomination is mostly conjecture, but I would say geneseed rejection and a crippled or dead blank teen is the most tame outcome.

>>50420866
Okay, so why not blank gene seed?

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>>50423278

>>50424374
Meme harder bro, but really, why not? If the emps can make all that other shit work, you don't think he could make blank geneseed work?

>>50424403
Well, from the Emperor's standpoint, he probably might have trouble being around a Primarch level blank. Which would be a serious problem for everyone involved. He also might know that the Pariah/Blank gene is an alien plant and so wouldn't want it getting mixed in his perfect warriors for fear of subversion.

He might also hope that he could just make warp resistant psykers, like the Grey Knights or something, rather than having to dilute/distract from his plans for a fully psychic humanity down the line.

>>50424403
Oh sweet Jesus, you're serious. Please tell me which part of the HkH is yours.

But to prevent yourself from looking like an ass, read this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gene-seed http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blank then come back

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Gonna write up some lore and maybe some unit fluff for the Yu'vath/Rak'gol. Should be done by tomorrow night at the latest.

Also have a picture of Pallas in her own set of power armor.

>>50424542
Okay, I read both pages. I agree, creating it would be difficult. I don't think it would be beyond the emperor's ability.

>>50424489
That's actually a fairly good point, it's somewhat lacking in practicality.

>>50424885
While it may not be beyond the big E's ability, what purpose would it serve to have a soulless Primarch that all will shun, with an equally soulless legion.

This is the first chance I've had since Friday to myself. I've still got an appointment early tomorrow morning, but after that I'm actually free - booked holiday, phone off free.
To that end, and if it's acceptable to everyone, I'll use Monday to finish what I would have been able to do over the weekend, or as agreed step away.

I'll check this in the morning, hope all is well with everyone.

>>50426247
It's fine by me.

>>50426062
To fight daemons.

>>50426307
He could just make powerful psykers to do that, and they wouldn't make people hate them just by existing.

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>>50426307
Riiight

>>50426353
>>50426474
Yes but the Grey Knights aren't actually that much more practical for that, because they end up killing and/or mindwiping any non-inquisitor non-chapter master person who sees them.

The only reason people DON'T hate them is that nobody knows they're a thing, which would also be true for blank knights.

If you had blank knights, not only would they be very effective against daemons, they'd be invisible to them, and even if some particularly perceptive daemon can tell where they are, most demon weapons, spells, and bodies would be destroyed by touching them.

>>50426783
Yeah, and Inqusistors would probably go homicidally insane with that many powerful blanks around and start trying to shoot them. Hell, they might even start fucking up stuff like Navigators. Fact is, blanks are soulless and not meant to exist in any capacity. It's part of what they are, and every living thing recoils at their very presence. Most civilian blanks are lucky to make it to adult hood.

>>50426818
Addendum; remember, there is a reason why blank is just the polite term for them. Most people are gonna call them Pariahs or Untouchables, for good reason.

>>50426783
OK. Let's think about the OU for a moment. There appear to be no blank marines or blank gene-seed, and no blank Primarch in the OU. Why is this? It hasn't been definitely explained so we can only guess, but it seems to me that they're simply not practical for the Imperium. Even though the Emperor clearly saw the value of Blanks (he made good use of the Sisters of Silence) he either didn't try to blend that quality into Space Marines or - less likely - failed to do so.

Now, if you're saying that things should be different in the AU, you'd need to explain why and how.

Also get ready to play second fiddle to the VHP when it comes to blanks.

>>50427092
VHP?

>>50427614
The Vetrovnak Human Protectorate. It's a long story but basically nanomachine space vampires.

>>50427686
>Playing second fiddle to a gaggle of plot armor abhumans that get wiped off the map by random bordline heretics and have no significance beyond 30k

Kek

>>50427726
Wait, from my understanding the SoB are the ones who turn them from major threat to annoyance who turns up now and then but can't really be completely eradicated. Something like mosquitoes, though I'm sure Vetro won't agree on that point.

>>50428123
That's definitely true for a time anyway.

>>50428123
The emergence of the Sisters takes the Vetrovnak from a seemingly existential threat down to a tractable enemy (from Tyrannids down to Orks, if you like). Further down the road, the spoilers will be entering the picture and the role of the Vetrovnak will change considerably.

The identity of the spoilers isn't too hard to guess in this context but I don't feel the need to announce it.

>>50428476
I wouldn't even say orks. Hrudd, or OU Rak'gol would be better. Tau, if we're being nice.

>>50428761
I would say the threat is more comparable to Orks when its time for the harvester fleets to visit. Otherwise they stay quiet.

So I have an idea for a few renegade regiments who worship Eldar gods in belief they will become as great as they were before Slaanesh. Kind of like 40k Bretonians in a sense, but they know they are xenos gods.

>>50428850
Of course you would, they're your faction. I would say that's giving them too much credit and they would be more tau level. And that's being considerate.

>>50428959
Didn't Cal want to reincarnate the Eldar Pantheon via demigod eldar?

>>50428959
Sounds workable. You could connect them with the Harakien Eldar Empire if that makes the background easier.

>>50426938
Honestly I'm arguing more out of curiosity than anything else. I've heard it said that you don't talk about the M god, or Blank Marines, and I was wondering why.

>>50429022
It might have been better to ask that in the first place, but alright. The reason we don't (continue to) discuss those topics is that the discussions went nowhere. They weren't even heated exchanges that at least contained some food for thought or dealt with stumbling blocks in the project. They were just dead ends. If someone came along with some novel rationale for including them, then I'd be interested, but for as long as it's "Why not?" we're beating a dead horse.

Is Ishtar still imprisoned by Nurgle?

if it were up to me, I would make it so they're happily married in the hektorverse

>>50428991
Yeah, Motsky'ar, vessels for the new eldar Pantheon.

>>50428959
That may be difficult and particularly one sided, considering that Mon'keigh closely means "those to be purged", it's historical application being that of cannibalistic mutants that enslaved eldar worlds. It's unusual, and rare, for Eldar to see other races as any more than objects to be deleted from the universe or less than primitive idiots.

>>50429200
From all that's been discussed Isha is indeed trapped in the Garden. I vehemently oppose any happy marriage. Mostly because Nurgle is gross, and anyone that deeply enjoys him beyond the loving paternal aspect is touched in the head.

One of the scenarios that I proposed a little while back was that the Ishan Motsky'ar, Ish'Ala, was essentially a proxy for Isha in real space, and used this "meat puppet" to free her astral form from Nurgle's garden.

Imagine of you remote controlled a drone to free yourself from prison. It would be a lot like that.

>>50429258
I'm not saying they like the Eldar, nor hate them. They are more or less trying to sway the Eldar gods to their favor, rather than the Eldar. Followers of Khaine try to do this by proving themselves to Khaine in battle. Followers of Cegorach well... pretty much do what Harlequins do but in a much more rudimentary way.

Thoughts on Lazarite naming convention (for Snek)

Given Aubrey's full name (Aubrey Vokrii-Kendov), I'm gonna make it so that all basic Lazarite names are 6 letters, with two components. The first is their actual name, the second is their bloodline name, suffixed to their master's bloodline if they are a slave (as Aubrey is). Especially worthy Lazarites may gain a separate third name later in life to honour their greatest accomplishments, but Aubrey never gets that since he isn't a Lazarite.

Thoughts? The main ringleaders of the Lazarus Rebellion will be three-named.

>>50429258
This is simply untrue.

The only book which shows the Eldar Empire pre-fall, the Asurmen book, makes clear that the Eldar Empire don't believe in fighting anyone who doesn't threaten them and simply leaves other aliens alone.

As in Empire they never believed in extermination on principle, only in defence, and the equivalent of 'hippie' Eldar would sometimes take sabbaticals to live among other races and understand what the concept of 'hardship' was.

>>50429258
>>50430988
Even after the fall, the Eldar are a populous race with many different outposts and variations on their core philosophies. For the purposes of the AU, the most fun is allowed by giving contributors considerable leeway to pursue different takes on the Eldar and their interactions with other species. Of course, widely deviant Eldar would probably draw the ire of their kinfolk, but that might take some time - and ripple effects are hard to stop.

>>50429321
It still seems like you'd need your guys to have a common history with the Eldar at some point and find a way for them not to get purged during Compliance. Neither of these are impossible, they're just things that should be explained.

>>50429321
Sounds like heresy to 40k canon. Do it!

>>50431964
You're right, sticking too closely to the original canon is creatively limiting.

Hey, what about those unused legion slots, eh?

>>50433374
Here we go again.

Hey, as matter of curiosity, could I work on the Crimson Eagles as a Successor Chapter, or am I banned from anything and everything?

>>50433374
Adding more Legions (and yes, "filling the unused slots" means adding more Legions) would limit people who want to write about the post-Heresy period, some of whom have been waiting for an extremely long time. As I've never seen a Legion concept that couldn't be repackaged as a warband or chapter, it's unclear to me how the people proposing more Space Marine Legions are losing out here.

>>50433374
They're open but due to... issues... we're not doing it like we used to and just trusting anyone who sounds promising to deliver. You deliver the goods and provided there's nothing for us to complain about you're pretty much good to go. Or that's what I believe the new policy is as far as I can recall.

>>50433435
I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to go nuts making successor chapters.

>>50433451
Neither can I.

Then again, I've been wrong before.

>>50433439
>would limit people who want to write about the post-Heresy
What? How? That doesn't even make sense.

>>50433477
Because adding a new legion can potentially shake up the entire flow of the heresy unless the author takes care to make sure they don't make waves.

>>50433435
>could I work on the Crimson Eagles as a Successor Chapter, or am I banned from anything and everything?
I can't answer for everyone, but I don't have a problem with you doing it.

>>50433440
That was more in reference to replacing Legions. There isn't a settled policy, but I did suggest in IRC that replacing existing Legions shouldn't be a matter of someone saying, "Hey, I have a concept," being given various concessions, and then - whatever comes from that. My thinking is that would-be Legion contributors should front up with a substantial draft first (~20 paragraphs) and ask for it to be included. Josman has expressed concerns about this plan, while some other contributors were keen on the idea.

>>50433477
Suppose someone wants to write about the conflicts between the Traitor Legions in the Eye of Terror. If you were adding another Traitor Legion, they would have to wait for you to finish so that they know what to take into account.

I realise that this isn't the sort of "creative limitation" you've been complaining about, but it's actually a lot worse. Whereas you could take your concepts and fit them into the project in some other form, the would-be writer in this scenario can't even do that. Nor could anyone work on the Black Crusades (or their analogue). Chaos writers would be left doing afterthought type stuff while factions that don't have the same baggage - like the Vetrovnak - get treated as the major threat to the Imperium simply because work can be done on them.

>>50433489
So just White Scars them? That's a hilariously easy fix. Of that's the case, why aren't those slots filled already?

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>>50433477
Did somebody say something about making waves?

>>50433537
My thinking is that would-be Legion contributors should front up with a substantial draft first (~20 paragraphs) and ask for it to be included. Josman has expressed concerns about this plan, while some other contributors were keen on the idea.

That's pretty much what I meant to say.

>>50433539
>So just White Scars them? That's a hilariously easy fix. Of that's the case, why aren't those slots filled already?
Because we only just started this policy regarding them.

>>50433577
Don't question, just execute orders!

>>50433539
We're at 18 because of a discussion early this year. At that time, of the over forty Legions submitted (in varying degrees of completeness) to the project, only about 12 were really fleshed out enough to be worth keeping. Some people wanted to keep 25, others thought 30 was best, quite a few liked 20, but I argued for 18 because it was the lowest number that I thought people would accept. Low was good because someone was going to have to do the writing and there are very few people willing to be someone. (That is especially true when it comes to finishing another contributor's work with some effort made to be true to their vision, rather than just running off and doing one's own thing!)

No amount of complaining is going to change this truth. However, if you decided that you were going to be someone and took one of the many "lost" Legion concepts (those that haven't been reworked into something else are mostly tossed in https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:/tg/_Heresy_articles_in_need_of_editing) and developed it, that would certainly undercut my argument.

>>50433577
>making waves
I look forward to seeing Xenos-forged Gravitino Wave weapons in the hands of the Eternal Zealots. I don't know what they'll do, but I am looking forward to it.

>>50433730
No waves yet I'm afraid, just adding a religion to an alien rebellion.

>>50433988
That's OK, good things take time.

>>50434020
Say Lumey, what do you feel about the Void Angels accidentally creating two minor alien gods by annihilating some xenos.

>>50434064
I'm OK with it, but it might be even better to have a less-loved Legion like the Scale Bearers do the deed.

>>50434096
Nah, the Void Sues can afford to fuck up

>>50434096
Oh no, it's imperative that the VA do it, since the gods contain the souls of the entirety of the Lazarite population, ready for gradually rebirth over the course of a few million years.

Then Aubrey fucks everything up

At least, that's the plan if Snek gives the okay.

>>50434102
? I'm actually suggesting that the VAs don't need to be central to everything.

>>50434140
>it's imperative that the VA do it
Oh, I see. Well, it's fine by me.

>>50434140
*gradual rebirth I mean. I really need to double-check my sentences before posting.

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I'M GOING TO WRITE HKH SMUT AND NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME

>>50435324
Arhiman no

Who do ya figure the Crimsom Eagles would be successors of? I could see Void Angels or Silver Cataphracts, but I could definitely see Iron Rangers loyalists but I don't want to sue them up.

>>50435484
Void Angels seems the most obvious to me, given they're supposed to be pretty American to begin with.

>>50435373
IT'S GONNA BE PALLAS AND THE VOIDWATCHER BECAUSE HEKTOR IS A CUUUUUUCK

>>50435516
>Voidwatcher
>Women
>Not his reflection or the thoughts of himself
You lost me there

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>>50435559
Both is always an option.

>>50435484
Maybe leave it ambiguous?

>>50435722
I don't think you can have a lot of ambiguity with a second founding chapter.

I think I'll go with Void Angels

>>50435931
You'd be surprised. Look at the Carcharodons.

>>50435950
Fair enough. In that case I'll go """Void Angels"""

Their ambiguous source could be a plot point later on

>>50433435
Go right ahead, successor chapters are free game.

>>50433471
>>50433620
Are you going to be bitter about everything?

>>50435324
Please don't.

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>>50436379
>Having to question my bitterness
>Thinking EYE quotes are bitterness

>You Gain Brouzouf

Do typical legions have companies of terminators, or chapters of them?

Things I want to do

>While Most C'tan are whole and rule their own Dynasties like they would old crons, some minor C'tan got sharded and are used by the NewCron Dynasties. One in particular is a C'tan that's trying to become whole. By bonding with other C'tan shards. Franken'tan.
>Dedicated 38k Genestealer Cult Empire, Renegade legions cutting of the systems of Ghousar Quintus.
>A clear distinction between the Dark Mechanicus that worships chaos and a Renegade, non chaos, Mechanicus branch.
>Chapter of Technobarbarians

>>50437363
It varies from legion to legion.

>>50429286
>Mostly because Nurgle is gross
r u d e

>>50436778
I have no idea what EYE is.

>>50437505
Thats why I specified "typically"....

Let me rephrase:

On average, would a legion normally have a first CHAPTER of terminators, or just a company?

>>50429286
>I vehemently oppose any happy marriage. Mostly because Nurgle is gross
Well she is a goddess of life, and life includes things like skin molds and maggots and lampreys, so it probably takes a LOT to make Isha gag.

>>50437540
Legeions would have entire "chapters" of terminators, but again, not all legions used chapters as an organizational body. Most legions would have elite formations of terminators comparable in size to a chapter, in addition to several chapter sized "normal" terminator chapters.

>>50437524
Memes in video game form. I highly suggest playing it. It should be like five bucks on steam now

>>50437522
S-sorry.

>>50437468
Neat. I actually wanted to do a few things like that, but I don't know how much I can or can't do.

Things that I'd like to see happen.
>The Harakien Empire falling apart just a bit, like how the Byzantine Empire is more or less the ashes of Rome piled together, with the Motsky'ar and some elements going to all sorts of Craftworlds, Cabals, Corsair fleets, Troupes, and Exodite Worlds
>The Motsky'ar bringing the band back together towards the End times, creating a unified Eldar under the Greater Harakien Empire

>A Sane Newcron Dynasty, possibly led by the Silent King, that actively tries to reuinte the Necron under a single banner, tends to be the more metropolitan faction, treating their slaves more like the Egyptians did

>A Hive fleet splinter that is lictors. Lictor Tyrants, Lictorstealers, Lictorfexes, Lictorlictors, lictorippers, Lictorgargoyles, Lictor Guard, Lictor Ships. And it's coming for Terra.

>Each Norn Queen has a distinct personality. They're still slaves to the Hive Mind, massive conduits for its will, but given greater autonomy than the vast majority of Tyranid Bioforms. These personalities are reflected in their hive fleet spawn via tactics and biomorphs.

>Enslavers. Somehow

>The Minor Xenos super friend faction surviving into 40k, becoming a major economic power in the Galaxy, a lot of trade, military management, and production outside the Imperium has been overseen, touched, or derived from them at some point.

>A space marine that is pretty much just Doomguy. Running about the warp at mach 6000 gunning down daemons with a shotgun

>>50437616
Ok thanks thats helpful.

One more question about expeditionary fleets: How many chapters (or variant of) would a typical Great Crusade era Expeditionary fleet contain?

>>50437953
The term expeditionary fleet is almost meaningless in the modern fluff when referring to size, because the books have called everything from less than a thousand marines and some ships, all the way up to some of Horus's battlegroups like the one at Ullanor that had hundreds of thousands of marines.

I'd say a pretty good rule of thumb (based on my reading thus far) would be 10,000 marines, an imperial navy battlegroup, and 50-250k imperial army members in your standard imperial expedition fleet, but again that varies a lot, and most of the HH books don't go too into detail about the numbers.

Also keep in mind that the legion culture itself will dictate the size of expeditionary fleets, with the Sons of Horus and Ultramarines (and other particularly large legions) often deploying in the tens of thousands range with millions of auxiliaries. Some legions like the Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons strongly preferred to fight at legion strength, and some like the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion rarely deployed in large numbers, instead using more dispersed "expeditionary fleets" to cover more space with less marines, but taking more time to do it.

Hopefully this will help you a bit.

>>50438660
>>50437953
I think I remember seeing some organizational charts about this kind of thing in the first two Horus Heresy rulebooks, so I'm going to go look around and see what I can find.

>>50437895
>A space marine that is pretty much just Doomguy. Running about the warp at mach 6000 gunning down daemons with a shotgun
Doom guy is already in warhammer, he's locked in a vault on mars, to be released when humanity has fallen and all that's left is blood and death.

>>50438828
>implying that didn't happen during the age of strife
>implying that Doomguy didn't wake up, unify earth under his daemon hating banner, then get them to call him "The Emperor"

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I was gonna write something prose-y and potentially in universe to explain the history of the Yu'vath, but I got frustrated trying to make it coherent. So here's the gist in layman's terms.

The Yu'vath were a race of crystalline beings native to the galactic north/north-west who's technology was based on the unholiest of warp science. They had vast armies of machines and ships all made from black glass. Extremely deadly on their own, but the Yu'vath also possessed superlative capabilities to crush and control the minds of mortals. Obviously they were to exterminated immediately on first contact and the campaign was a short but incredibly brutal one. The opening skirmishes were light and reserved on both sides but the conflict quickly exploded when the Yu'vath went on a full offensive. Endless tides of war machines threw themselves at the Imperial forces, who slowly managed to push into the xenos territory. Eventually, after the exterminatus of more than two dozen worlds and tens of millions dead, the Yu'vath were soundly defeated. Some would argue too soundly; too few controllers were found for their endless legions and too few living beings were found in their nightmare cities. Voices of dissent were few though, and the Crusade ground on.

Of course, the Yu'vath did survive, and more than survive. They escaped to some save haven the Imperium didn't have access to, the outer galactic corona or even the Immaterium, and began plotting a return.

>>50439765
Doom guy is not a psyker, a planner, or amastermind. Doomguy kills.

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>>50439801
The Yu'vath know that returning the galactic battlefield would require a lighter touch than for most. They were on their own few in number, and reproduced and manufactured slowly compared to even the Eldar. They would need shields, not just to protect themselves but also to divert attention from the true threat. And so, expanding on the existing technology of their nightmarish Bone Wardens, they forged the Rak'gol. The Rak'gol weren't so closely puppeted as their war machines, they were created from living flesh and could reproduce on their own. They relied on Yu'vath technology to travel, and worshiped them as gods, but would otherwise have little connection to their shadowy masters.

>>50437895
So before your most entertaining fall from grace, when I still had a modicum of respect for you, I was onboard with most of your ideas. Yes even the legions that took you eons to write.

Right now my views are very much so dependant on how the majority feels, since you didn't hurt MY feelings. Some of your ideas proposed in this post have promise. The only question, is you.

I think we should have a referendum on the limits of your abilities. You've clearly been barred from legion building, the Cavemen a place holder until Ronin produces something that we like, but I want to clearly define your boundaries on what you can and cannot be part of. We can't risk your instability in other parts of the project, such as the Eldar.

>>50439943
>>50439801
Neat. Does the Yu'vath have any other races under their belt? They may be a neat faction to foil the CFGI

>>50440033
>Cavemen
Careful, you'll trigger lumey.

That said, the only thing the group did was ban him from legion building, nothing else. Though he's taken to that ban about as well as the Dark Angels did (he's still working om the Dreameaters with Ronin), he's nonetheless allowed to work on anything except the legions.

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>>50439943
The Rak'gol are savage monsters, nightmare creatures forged of the flesh of other races. Through arcane processes little understood by most, they twist a beings flesh into component parts for a new creature. A single rak'gol might be composed of the flesh of a grox, an Eldar, and a man. Hulking quadrupeds, they appear a combination of insectoid and reptilian features, with faceless heads surmounting well muscled torsos. They are misbegotten things, not meant for any extended life in this world. Their flesh tears itself apart, and what little sanity they have compels them to repair themselves with crude cybernetics. Indead, an old Rak'gol may appear more metal than flesh and only reveal their true nature when cut open to reveal sacks of organs or muscle still limply bleeding.

There's a lot of stuff that has cross over the canon Rak'gol. Their basic units, weapons, and overall appearance. So I won't get into everything when you guys can just read that on the wiki. Notable inclusions/clarifications are as follows.


Techno-shamans not only supervise the Rak'gols primitive attempts at engineering, but also manage the creation of new Rak'gol. They act as direct conduits for Yu'vath will, and as such can fuse flesh into new creatures. Dead flesh works, but they prefer to take some alive to make up a "core" to build on.

Rak'gol ground forces utilize a number of vehicles not covered in current FFG fluff. They have skimmer troop transports, something between a Dark Eldar Raider and an Imperial Cestus. Think an open topped WW2 landing vehicle, except it's prow is covered in razor blades and it vomits out black clouds everywhere it goes. They also have six legged tanks, tripodal walkers, and octopus like fast attack vehicles. All their armor is controlled by an inelegantly hextuple-amputatee Rak'gol at the center. They tend to leak motor oil, radiation, and blood everywhere.

>>50440205
Also, I imagine that by 40k they might start having Yu'vath directly leading them. Even some Yu'vath machines mixed in with their usual stuff.

>>50440101
They can enslave pretty much anything, so yeah they might. Not very much for a long time though, given how they're trying to keep a low profile for the time being.

>>50440176
I'm not actually. I've given him some of my more coherent notes and nothing else.

I don't want to set him up for failure by having the Dreameaters be associated with me.

>>50440262
I think their failure is much more likely to happen from Ronin building them backwards than from any association with you.

>>50441422
What?

Like from Terra to their inception?

>>50441586
What Ronin's been doing is taking Cal's ideas (like Zan'lakor, getting sworded, etc...) and building the legion to fit that.

>>50441921
Not to toot my own horn, but those have been some of my only good ideas. While I'm glad he saw fit to use them, I'll talk about setting himself up for failure.

>>50440033
> the Cavemen a place holder until Ronin produces something that we like
That's kinda bullshit. Why wouldn't someone else be able to swoop in, drop a draft on the table and ask for their stuff to be considered? What did Ronin do to get this special privilege?

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Okay for better or worse, here is the 13ths page:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Justicars

The Heresy and Post-Heresy is blank until the other traitors are sorted enough we can work out what happens.

>>50441586
No, by starting with the fixes and working your way back. You should build a strong chapter you're passionate about, with a good premise and execution, THEN start checking to see if you checked everyone else's boxes.

>>50442429
I agree that Ronin should receive no guarantee on getting the slot, but this does beg the question. If new people come along with completed legion ideas, and pitch them as replacements for the existing legions whose writefags are no longer around, do we consider their proposal?

>>50442489
Before I get any further into this, what is the Legion concept? I can't tell from the introductory paragraph and infobox.

>>50442505
>If new people come along with completed legion ideas, and pitch them as replacements for the existing legions whose writefags are no longer around, do we consider their proposal?
Ideas? No. Substantial drafts? Yes. But anyone coming in after substantial work has been done post-Heresy is going to find a great many people simply saying, "How much rewriting do you expect us to do for you?"

>>50442429
I'm no friend of Caligor's, but come on, lets be honest here for a second
>Cavemen in Tanks
Vs
>Yakuza with hallucinations

Don't get touchy because someone else has a more interesting idea. But that idea is really safer in any other hands than Cal's

>>50442577
Or you know.

Fill legion slots.

>>50442657
I'm actually annoyed at the idea that Ronin gets rights over anyone walking into the thread with an idea and willingness to write.

>>50442671
That would face exactly the same issue, unless the new Legion is largely irrelevant. But if they're largely irrelevant, then why bother?

>>50442577
>Before I get any further into this, what is the Legion concept? I can't tell from the introductory paragraph and infobox.
That's a fair point, I've edited the page again. Hopefully that fixes it.

>>50442777
>checks
It doesn't really. In the introductory paragraph, I see my prose setting them up as a special Legion for slaying the witch kings. In the infobox, none of their specialities dovetail with that concept.

>>50442696
I could easily see Tank herding cavemen being relatively White Scarish

Hell, why not just have them face off with the other filled legion slot. Bam, instant self containment

>>50442821
>why not just have them face off with the other filled legion slot
Tollund's story as written is more about Onyx. That's partly because the Stone Men don't have a rival (and could use one), partly because the personalities of the Primarchs are so clearly at odds.

>>50442868
Maybe bring back Kalisthenics and ronin could have Zan Shin, or Be'lakor or whatever the fuck butt heads

>>50443072
>Kalisthenics
Explain

>>50443825
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kleisthenes

>>50443942
Huh. I'd seen the picture before and I always thought it was just a shitty version of Uriel.

>>50444003
No. He's the mary sue people are always bitching about, and Lumey's waifu.

However I think having Nobledark Khaleesi (most loved and treasured Primarch, but antisocial and kinda lonely) versus Grimbright Zan (Gutter trash mutant outcast, but is generally a chilled out dude behind closed doors) could be eldar god tier if done right

>>50444073
>eldar god tier
the fuck does that even mean

>>50444126
Better than god tier you fucking newfag

>>50444073
Um. Sorry, it seems like a joke has gotten out of hand. Bringing back Kleisthenes would be very difficult now, as a lot of his themes have been reassigned to strengthen other Primarch concepts (especially Roman Albrecht).

>>50444133
But the Eldar gods are the shittiest gods. The human gods kicked the shit out of the Eldar gods.

>>50444211
Even "Most Loved Primarch All Years"? And "Too Pure for This World"?

>>50444337
Most-loved Primarch gimmick has certainly gone to Albrecht. He's the one who goes missing in the Scouring, so people can look at Lumey and think, "It should have been you, Gaspard."

>it's an "everyone argues about Space Marines" episode

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>>50445082
Yaaaaay, my favorite.

>>50445082
Bound to happen for a while now that Uriel has stepped off.

>>50445267
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>>50445652
?

OK. With apologies to people who don't want to talk about Space Marines (but also a reminder that some things need to get settled before we move on), my draft of Captain Caveman is up:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Tollund_Ötztal

I'm sure that I'm not the only one keen to have the Mastodontii more or less settled by the end of the month, but I realise that I'm not giving you guys much time to respond and call for edits. So if things run over and I have to keep on incorporating changes into December - well, that's my problem. Legion draft will be up asap, but it's going to be shorter and more straightforward.

>>50445873
go home DE ur drunk

>>50447418
Alright, this is spread a bit too thin but at least it gives the flavour:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mastodontii

Again, I realise that this is probably coming too late to finish review and rewriting before the end of the month and I'm sorry about that. At least we can get started before December rolls around.

>>50448700
If Ronin where to have time constraints, when would they be?

>>50448972
In a project like this, most deadlines are self-imposed for the purpose of letting other people know how long they'll be waiting for something to be finished. (We've talked upthread about how being able to write something might depend on someone else finishing their piece first.) Not setting target dates for important stuff makes a contributor look flakey, because it basically comes across as though they know they wouldn't meet the deadline.

So it's really up to Ronin how he wants to be perceived.

>>50449364
>>50448972
End of december sound good?

I'm going to busy be with classes until winter break, so December 17th is when I'm going to be able to sit down with a mug of coco and get to work.

Would that work for everyone?

>>50449496
I'm guessing that's a deadline on the Dreameaters draft? It's fine by me but then I'm not really into writing Chaos stuff.

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>>50445873
Not that kind of Cabal, dude.

>>50449496
>>50449364
No, don't set a deadline for him. There's no need for one and it just sets a potential failure state where one doesn't need to be.

He has all the time in the world to work. Realistically speaking, his "limit" is trying to surpass Lumey as he adds more things to his legion.

Plus, even if he takes two years to do it, we still have the Mastodontii in the mean time, and they can serve capably while we wait for young Ronin.

>>50449364
>>50449496
>>50451364
Actually, thinking about it realistically, the "time limit" on Ronin is how fast everyone else starts writing up events taking place after the heresy, because at that point people have to start rewriting if we replace a legion. Pretty sure no one wants that.

>>50444133
But the eldar gods lost to the human gods. Newfag indeed.

>>50451627
Yeah, seems like that would end badly

>>50444377
He was a cool dude.

Roman was always destined to go missing, though.

OK, thread. I'm doing some brain storming for a slightly revised concept of the Latoti Crusade and would like a little help. This doesn't revolve around Space Marines, it's more Ork stuff.

The story concept is the WAAAGH! Rok'Ed krumps the Realm of Omegon and loots is roight proper, taking a huge haul of advanced technology and steaming through the Segmentuum Pacificus to cause MAYHEM. The Imperials try to stop them and end up in a drag-down fight (i.e. an Ork party) which the Orks basically win but for the intervention of sneaky Eldar from Craftworld Meros.

With the current state of the project, I have plenty of Imperials to throw into this. I have some ideas for Craftworld Meros on the wiki. WAAAGH Rok'Ed is basically just some names, like;

>Warboss Rok'Ed and 'iz 'Ard 'Eds
>Mek Boss Orkenheimer
>Gran Marshul Gorecuttah and 'iz Spidahs
>Chugzod 'n' Ko

But Orks are meant to be a motley lot so they could really do with lots of different mobs. Even as little as suggesting names for groups of boyz or prominent Orks would be very helpful to me.

Thanks for considering it.

>>50458714
a weirdboy named Syko Mantes

>>50459036
>I see that you enjoy blood games!

>>50458714
Something with bees would be fun

>>50458714
'Edbangerz stormboyz

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll make a separate page for Rok'Ed's WAAAGH and list the boyz that show up there. Orks being Orks, some of them will survive to fight another day.

>>50459036
>>50459685
Ork names that are references are cool, but I don't know what you're referencing. Spell it out for me so I can do a better job with the idea?

>>50461545
Sure. What have you got in mind?

>>50461795
Added.

>>50461845
Deadly. Ork. Bees. And their beekeeper. I can't think of a name at the moment though.

>>50463326
Would they be called Buzzsquigs?

Da Payne would be good if they nested inside him.

Dok Buzzgobba
Bambazag
Zugrot
Burgrog da Beetraya

>>50461845
Syko Mantes seems to be a reference to Psycho Mantis from Metal Gear Solid, I think

>>50465154
An Ork Cobra team would be pretty fun, but the names would have to me a lot more subtle. And orky. Psycho Mantis would be better as something like Wierdboss Daft Mantiz, or Da Thurd Git, or Robokz Madklaw or something like that.

>>50465631
God, that would be great.

>Shoota Longsquig is the not-revolver ocelot
>He's absolutely convinced he can do ridiculous gun tricks with the massive one handed shootas he lugs around, which are big enough to put even the biggest bolters to shame
>he can only kind of juggle them; whenever he tries something past that he fumbles and drops them

>>50458714
Gor'kesh Zump, an ork born without the propensity for violence of his race. Shunned for being different, he bears witness to many important events of the Latoti Crusade.

He eventually releases spores and is overjoyed to see that his descendants are just as violent and strong as any other ork, before they rip him to pieces for being weak and unworthy.

>>50377588
>what are combiweapons

>>50465631
>>50466679
>the not Sniper Wolf is convinced that a sniper rifle's scope and laser sight is what makes it's bullets shootier instead of the ammo and the gun itself
>as such, not only is his rifle absolutely covered in massive scopes (he doesn't know that you're supposed to look through them yet), but his laser sight is so incredibly bright and focused ot's more of a terrifying laser cutter then a shootah
>nobody even notices the bullets he fires as marines or whoever get cut in half from the sniper rifle from hell

>>50466797
>what is reading the thread before commenting

>>50461845
>Ork names that are references are cool, but I don't know what you're referencing. Spell it out for me so I can do a better job with the idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oHnGM_iQw

>>50463326
>>50464226
This will be a WAAAGH!! To surpass Metal Gear.

>>50464226
>Would they be called Buzzsquigs?
>Bumblesquigs
>Hunteesquigs

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>>50466872

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So the bad news is I accomplished way less than what I wanted for Zorgnowrimo.

The good news is I still have like ten concepts I can use.

>>50468641
>>50466872
>Wanted to make the Crimson Eagles the Metal Gear chapter
>Someone ends up making a Metal Gear WAAAAGH

This feels right.

Also I still stand by Buzzsquigs. Bumblesquigs sounds too cute. Far too cute.

>Kahzahuruk Mogra
>An Ork commander known for his impaired vision and penchant for being played like a damned fiddle

>>50468941
perhaps they were originally bumblesquigs, but their breeder bred out all the cute traits, leaving only black and yellow balls of flying death

>>50468941
aren't Ork Stompas technically Metal Gear?

They're bipedal tanks, and it would be pretty easy to stick a nuke launcher on one.

>>50470961
I've always considered Warhound Titans and Crysis suits to be the most Metal Gear units in 40k

Maybe we can share the love with the MGS and have different characters in different factions. Da Big Boss fighting 'is old boss Da Boss because "he"(?) works as a mercenary to Inquisitor Volgin or something like that. Through the Tau in there or some shit.

But obviously more subtle. Obviously.

One of the IG regiments I was going to do was supposed to be Metal Gear, but I instead put them in bed with the VOTOMS regiment.

Also, the old TMNT comics are fucking old.

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>>50470958
Behold, a Bumbasquig

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>>50471748
make Raiden a Harlequin, and we're gold.

>>50472015
Christ. That works. Like REALLY works.


I still want to make a Cyborg Ninja assassin temple, though.

>Hardier than a Callidus, Culexus, and Vindicare, but not really able to mix up in crowds like a Callidus, fuck psykers like a Culexus, or be shooty like a Vindicare
>Sneakier than an Eversor

And it may be cool linking them to the AdMech, through some ancient Pact. The Cyborg Ninjas would be particularly adept at combating Tech Heresy or something

>>50472015
>Armstrong and Co. are Khornate warlords (Armstrong becomes a Daemon Prince instead of roiding out on nanomachines)

>>50472361
>Sneakier than an Eversor
That's not hard. Like... AT ALL.

>>50464226
Burgrog da Beetraya and his deadly Buzzsquigs. It's not something I would have come up with, but that's the whole point of asking the thread! Adding now.

>>50465631
There seems to be a fair bit of enthusiasm for this but I don't know Metal Gear and would probably fuck it up if I tried making them from secondary sources. Maybe you and other interested anons should kit out the lads?

(Just to be clear, I'm not trying to brush the idea off. I can certainly add them into WAAAGH! Rok'Ed or any other Orky business I set up if that helps.)

>>50472361
Don't these already exist as the Mech-Assassins?

>>50473372
>WWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYY

Yeah, I know, but I feel like Ninja Cyborg, Tentatively calling it the Urokyon Temple (Urocyan is the Grey Fox genus. Gray Fox was a Cyborg Ninja. I'm not clever) would meet the Eversor and Callidus neatly in the middle between hardy and able to fuck shit up, and sneaky, while lacking the absolutely batshit ferocity of an Eversor rape engine and the security nightmare of a Callidus (i.e. Everyone could be the assassin)

I feel like some rather interesting fluff could be whipped up regarding their niche and the circumstances of their creation.

On that same note I say we vow to keep the Borderline heretical (read: completely heretical) Maerorus Temple but NEVER create something as /d/egenerate as Legienstrasse.

>>50473611
>Three (you)s in a row

It's a good feel. As for MSG influences I'm just saying we sprinkle them into 40HkH just like GW stole shit wholesale from 2000AD (The Judge Dredd setting) and filed off the serial numbers. We, being unsubtle turbo autists, would probably bumble it and more or less copy paste themes and plot lines. But that has a certain charm all its own and isn't necessarily out of the question when it comes to Warhammer (Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Cluseau, Rouge Trader Haarlock, LION FUCKING EL'JOHNSON the worst offender, etc)

As for Mech-Assasins, Acuitors act in the interests of the AdMech, while the Urokyon Temple would act in the interests of the Officio. And Acuitors look as subtle as a fucking brick, I don't give a shit what the lore says about them being as sneaky as a Lictor.

I don't think it would be out of the question to have Acuitors and Urokyons to spring from the same 30k Clade, some sticking with the AdMech, others staying with the flourishing Officio

>>50466690
Missed this, but yes. I guess Gor'kesh's main redeeming feature is that he's quick on his feet? That way he could be a kooriah or something.

>>50473808
A lot of words for a man with no say

>>50474154
Look, dude, I'm just trying to have fun ny spitballing and seeing what works, what doesn't, what resonates with others and what falls flat

I don't expect you to like, respect, or even acknowledge me but unless you have some honest critique or are going to pass the brainstorming ball back, I ask that you just leave me alone.

I'd rather be out here flapping in the wind than fucked with.

>>50474250
>I ask that you just leave me alone.
Unlikely to happen.

As for AdMech cyborg ninja, go nuts. The AdMech needs something going for it other than titans.

>>50474250
You're doing the right thing, so don't let the trolls get to you. Speaking of which:

>>50473808
>Urokyon Temple
So I guess the big difference between these guys as Acuitors is that Urokyon Assassins can pass as normal humans but do Cyberpunk transformations when flipping to battle mode? Maybe some kind of collaborative project with gene-wrights from Terra or Luna because the Mechanicum don't really specialise in making things look normal? (Well, they think their stuff looks normal but you know what I mean!)

>references
One good way to avoid it becoming clumsy is to have people who know the medium create the analogues, while people who don't know it put them into storylines. Admittedly, with Orks it's not important to be subtle, it's important to be Orky.

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>>50474768
I would say Urokyon assassins would look, an operate, much like pic related.

An Eversor could take out a room full of guys, a Vindicare can take out any individual in their sights, a Callidus assassin could take out anyone that didn't peg them as a polymorphene freak before they got too close, and a Culexus is fairly self explanatory.

Vanus will steal your facebook password, Maerorus is by definition adaptable, and a Venenum will poison your coffee.

An Urokyon assassin would, without being seem, infiltrate the Khornate forgeworld, backstab everyone to death, then face off against a Lord of Skulls by suplexing it and slicing it in half.

RULES OF NATURE

>>50475241
What I'm trying to say is that while the Eversor goes for the big blob of dudes to take them all out, and the Vindicare and Callidus home in on the HQ units, the Urokyon sprints for the walker/monstrous creatures and starts duking it out with them

A thought from IRC.

We have totally not Chaos Dwarves in Space. (The Cult of Krenz.) At first it might seem that totally not Black Orks in Space would be redundant, but what if the Krenzites do their weird experiments on Orks, get blackskins, face rebellion, and then a "Black WAAAGH!" led by Warlord Orkaddon is unleashed (and has twelve sequels)?

Too meta?

>>50475593
Exceedingly meta

>>50475593
2meta4me

>>50475593
In some alternate universe a simple prime-ork suggestion thread has turned into the Haz'kor Heresy and is now focused on trying to settle the ork clans.

>>50477511
>Haz'kor Heresy
>not WAAAGH! The Best

>>50481232
Right. I'm working on a draft outline for the Heresy itself. All the Copypasta and horribly dated lore at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hektor_Heresy is gone. (The best example of how much this needed to happen is that the page used to refer to Kleisthenes as the Blood Angel!) I've made a bit of a start on the replacement. Should have the whole thing roughed out in the next 24.

Now, the line I'm taking here is not set in stone and can certainly be challenged. It's something that makes sense to me but that doesn't mean it'll work. Just bear in mind that my powers of explanation are limited. If something doesn't make sense on the page it might just mean that I didn't properly get across what's in my head. So before challenging the whole idea, please point out what doesn't make sense. Then I can try to improve the explanation on the page. Maybe it'll turn out that the idea is just bad but I'm begging your patience because getting a Hektor Heresy - rather than a name-swapped Horus Heresy - should be a pretty high priority for this project.

>>50475593
#blackorksmatter
#metaheresy

>>50486769
>>50486769

New thread.