Warhammer 40,000 general

first for the most loyal of primarchs : the lion

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New units for Admech fucking when?

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Wych Cult supplement never

Feels bad, man.

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>>50367665
>using wyches

>>50367661
I'm surprised they weren't given rapier units when FW released the other two skitarii units.

>>50367690

See, that's the problem. I love wyches and I love the wych cults, but outside of Reavers and arguably the Succubus, they're totally unplayable.

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Reposting cuz I need your help!!!
hey guys not sure if this is the place to ask but it's driving me crazy and I need to know.
What is the background music this guy uses. is it from a 40K game? It can be heard clearly at 3:10 in the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0XcfC220A

>>50367713

80% of the DE codex is unplayable but yeah wyches are like the worst unit out of all the garbage in that book. shame because they look nice.

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Have you ever seen an Age of the Emperor rules for 40k models? Would you play it if you did?

what are the chances of Lord Solar getting rules again
they had to have made his model available for a reason

>>50367749

Yea. I bought them when I first started, but I haven't put them together yet because they're not worth using.

>>50367733
I'm sorry, his voice is too annoying.

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>tfw listening to Eurobeat
>tfw no 40K Eldar jetbike drifting animes

Someone fund it.

>>50367623

Lion wins, Pyrrhic victory, Fenris now warpstorm-front daemon world property.

>>50367858
>what is dark eldar?

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>>50367661
SoB players; "we can wait another decade I guess"

>>50367733
Look at video description

>>50367869
They're the egdy cool lot. You need to be great with the vanilla Eldar before the Dark Eldar will let you drift with them.

>>50367690
>FUCKING DUCK

>>50367780
You'd really have to break up some codexes, but it would be cool. Have a Wych faction, Space Marine Siege Faction, ect.

>>50367623
Magnus a shit.

>>50367780
-NO
-STILL NO

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So, regarding the fate of the Eldar in the last thread...

So in Death Masque Eldrad tries to fuel Ynnead by preemptively feeding him the souls from every infinity circuit to birth him into existence because that's the prophecy and the last hope for the Eldar people.

But as a result of his (failed) plan the souls were drained straight to Slaanesh because whatever ritual Eldrad was trying to conduct went south due to Death Watch meddling. Every Craftworld is now barren and all the souls from their infinity circuits are gone, and from what some anons have said the Eldar species is now "blind". Do I have that right?

If so, what the fuck do Eldar players do from here? Where does the lore go from here other than "slowly shit on by everyone else (like usual) but even harder"?

>>50368122?
It's gonna make no more difference to the Eldar players than war of the beat did to IF players.

>>50368122
They're fucked up initially, but just when they're about to tip past the razor's edge, turns out the Ynnead fragment is enough to bolster them and let them make a resurgence. Following the shitkicking they were taking, the roid boost it gives them have them go more all-out, joining in the big climactic battle to give them Chaos scrubs what-for

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>>50368122
HA get fucked Eldar

>>50368122
Well, I don't know if they'll follow the AOS route but in tha- oh, hang on, almost forgot:
+++TRIGGER WARNING: AOS+++
...right, so in AOS, slaanesh was weakened by gorging on too many elf souls at once when the world ended, allowing tyrion to go and beat him up while he was tired and bloated. They could do something like that again.

>>50368122
>what the fuck do Eldar players do from here?
same as usual, but gain hatred (ulthwe)

>>50368216
Who plays Tyrion's role in 40K? Prince Yriel?

>>50368228
>Biel Tan
>Not also gaining hatred

So, Magnus rules came out and yet they never gave us a number on that ML...

>>50368273
No rules. Just stats and unit type.

>>50368273

It's 9, obviously.

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>>50367623
FUCKING EXODITES? REALLY? FUCK YOU GW!!!

>>50368285
wait are the stats officially released?

>>50368301
>Exodites

Wait, really?

>>50368301
Oh fuck. I don't want to get back into 40k. I'll have to if it's really exodites.

>>50368301
pretty sure it's not 40k, m80

>>50368305
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/23/wrath-of-magnus-the-big-guy-himself/

>>50368301
Probably Aelves or Tzeentch Arcanites for AoS.

>>50368122
>But as a result of his (failed) plan the souls were drained straight to Slaanesh because whatever ritual Eldrad was trying to conduct went south due to Death Watch meddling. Every Craftworld is now barren and all the souls from their infinity circuits are gone

Is this confirmed? The only extracts I've ever seen from this just talk about the God failing. They don't say what happened to the infinity circuits. Was it stated earlier in the book that this would happen if they failed?

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

>>50368333
>big guy

>>50368333
Wow i thought those stats were only rumored damn i need to read more Warhammer community.

They stated that this would happen if he Succeeded.

Might not have been permanent but definitely long enough to severely fuck over every craftworld.

>>50368350
4u

>>50368122
So fielding wraith units is non-canon now?

>>50367623
>the Lion is about to be defeated
>suddenly the Wolf shows up
>he punches Big Red in the back of the head
>while Big Red is in a daze the Lion and the Wolf gives him the beating of a thousand lifetimes
>Big Red is recked so hard that he turns into shards that is scattered all over the Warp
>the Lion and the Wolf makes peace with eachother
>Ahriman is blamed for the blunder invasion by the Thousand Wrongs sorcerers

>>50368396
>non-canon

Because who plays games from the 42nd Millenium?
I play Cadia, and their homeworld is apparently being bombed to crap at the moment.
But no, they're off fighting Eldar because.

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>>50368425
>Eldrad fucked up
>Magnus fucked up
>Ahriman fucked up

Are psykers/sorcerers just complete morons in 40K?

>>50368458
It sure seems so. Even the Emperor who is the biggest psycher of them all fucked up.

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>tfw I feel alone playing DE

>>50368425
>Magnus about to strike the winning blow.
>Ahriman stabs him in the back. Ascends.
>Tries out his new power. Gives everyone a grin, leaves
>Time to crack open that library again.

>>50368466
I'm here for you, brother. At least we can jink and shoot.

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>>50368466
You aren't alone. I have a huge Dark Eldar army (though I don't play the game because no friends). Sometimes the general has Dark Eldar discussions that are pretty good, but recently it's about the new release of course.

>>50368483
Our faction is so cool and nobody will ever know/care

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>>50368425
I can't really see the Lion fighting Magnus but that was a good one, my bet is that Magnus recks Fenris but can't deal the deathblow because all the other loyalists in the area so he Aku'ed his way out of the system with the sons leaving Fenris devastated.

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>>50368483
>MFW Tau do the whole jink and shoot business better (markerlights)
Tau jetbikes when?

Confirmed straight from a reliable source:Malal is the next Loyalist Primarch

>>50368506
I also play Tau. Mini-Piranhas would be lit af, fampai.

>>50368301
>>50368312
>>50368316
Judging by the hand gripping the staff, that thing is either a demon or the new plastic canoness.

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>>50368425
Welp, that sounds so freaking plausible that I think you just ruined the book for me. Ah, who cares I get to fanboy about a knightly Lion and a wolfy Viking. Let's just ignore the fact that I joined this hobby because of Ahriman and the Thousand Sons. Gotta get my fill of Mindbullets!

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>>50368458
>people who draw power from the the realm of chaos+the litertal god of fucking people over
>surprised when their plans to save their species (institute order) and/or drive off the forces of chaos don't go as planned

>>50368301
From where is this?

What armies will get buffed/nerfed in 8e?
I can only hope salvation lies ahead for DE

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>>50368458

it's time to see the light

>>50368497
>CRAWWWWWLIIIING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIN: the faction
>cool

>>50368560
Yeah. Space pirates are cool man

>>50368560
How can Cenobite Reavers that eat pain not be cool

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>>50368560
>I don't know anything about the subject

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>>50368523
I like these, though I once saw an image which had a drone on the front and back (facing front and back respectively) and the tau sitting on top with a built in rail rifle into the bike.

>>50368458
>Tau doesn't have psykers
>are basically mary sues because they can't fuck up
Wew

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>>50368466
You aren't anon and that's the worst part

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>>50368549
>GW giving a shit about a xeno army

I just want a decent plastic Grotesque kit. The monopose models suck.

>>50368549
>eldar get nerfed because no one can be stronger than muh spessmen
>dark eldar get buffed to sell more models
>dark angels, blood angels, deathwatch, grey knights get buffed to make spessmen more appealing
>tau get a buff to match whatever big fluff jump they get
>admech get a buff to make their models sell better
random guessing more or less

>>50368585
Still have warp sword and a talisman that gives us 4+ dtw and 5+ invuln
Farsight is the Tau "Charge, I want to hit them with my sword!!"

>>50368582
Those are the Wargame Exclusive ones you're talking about. I liked those, too.

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>>50368553
dark mechanicus? more like dinobot mechanicus

regular mechanicus makes better shit than you do

>>50368549
Flyrants will get nerfed into the ground.

SitW will continue to be useless, or removed altogether.

At the same time, synapse will be either made more restrictive, or give stricter penalties to any Tyranid units not in synapse. Also, synapse no longer gives fearless.

1-3 new kits will be introduced for gargantuan monstrous creatures. These guys will be the only redeeming part of the army, and will be the only thing that makes Tyranids halfway-competitive.

Because how else are they going to sell kits?

>>50368594
>GW giving a shit about a xeno army
Have you checked which faction gets bitched about being overpowered?
Fucking riptide spam/wraith spam and grav spam
only 1 race out of those 3 is not xeno

>>50368594
Crypt Fiends + extra Talos/Cronos bits. That's what I'm gonna do when I have some extra cash.

>>50368549
Tyranids are going to become a fucking OP nightmare, mark my words.

>>50368581
Explain to me how Dark Eldar are anything but bait for edgy teenagers, women, and people who shop at hot topic.

>>50368560
>CRAWWWWWLIIIING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIN: the faction
But we aren't night Lords anon

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>>50368466

I am slowly putting it together, man, but I'm technically a Deldar player!

Most of one SC is together pls help me get motivated

>>50368549
>Kinda havent been playing 40k for a year now, so when do you guys belive we will be seeing 8ed?

>>50368608
Haemotrope Reactors are hilarious.

>105 point Plasma Special Weapons Team is throwing out Rapid-Fire Blasts
>Rapid-Fire Blasts
>Rapid
>Fire

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>>50368679
I know I've posted it a few times, but here's my WIP venom. I just got back from my local GW with a pot of Gauss Blaster Green. It is the same exact color as Hellion Green, but as an edge paint instead of dry paint.

>>50368560
Yeah, they are funny super decadent murderhobos.

>>50368679
deldar might get a buff in 8th

but probably not

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>>50368493

Don't you live close to some kind of local scene?

I was the last of my friend group in uni to graduate, and the local nerd scene saved me from isolation duing my last semester (I sure aint going to the student pubs by myself).

>>50368679
Dude I legit got exactly the same thing as in that picture holy shit

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I've heard Admech referred to as the Skaven of 40k.

Could someone please explain why?

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>>50368265

>best eldar beating the shit out of he/she/it with his bare hands until it explodes like a pinata

FUND IT

>>50368549
I only hope they start nerfing left and right. Fucking tired of the power creep. Been going over my old White Dwarfs today, in 2004 a 1500pts army was very easily 1 HQ, 1 Fast Attack, 1 Elite, 1 Heavy, 2 Troop Squads. And perhaps 1 transport.

Get rid of all those rerollable saves, and remove invulns from half the people who have them. And cut down on the low AP. And FUCK D-strength.

>>50368679
I know your feeling anon, I've been sitting on a warriors of the fang box for a year now. But tonight I change it. I'll assemble a marine, then a second one, and a third. At least that's my goal to do it slowly so my motivation comes back.

I suggest you do the same, pick a model you like above the others and assemble it, then paint it. Take it slowly and don't worry about the other models until you finish that first one. If you play games make it a goal to bring a new, fully paint unit every X amount of time. Or simply to show it to some friend/family member. if you have neither there's always /wip/ if you can take the criticism.

>>50368631
all of 40k is bait for undesirables of every kind

>>50368740
>I've heard Admech referred to as the Skaven of 40k.
They aren't

>>50368740

technology or something

terrible comparison though, so basically idiocy

How is it that Farsight Enclaves are allowed access to the juicier Tau empire gear? I keep running into people saying they can but in the Errata and the Enclave book I can't find anything that would seem to justify that.

Should I read the ciphas cain books in the order it says on mega or m'aime books then short stories?

>>50368702
That looks so fucking cool man. Can you tell me how you did that neon-type thing?

>>50368624

I wouldn't even be mad so long as they lost flygrants in the process

>>50368787
release order is best order

>>50368740
a quote of the post that I've seen most recently describing them as shaven
>AdMech is Space Skaven. They got jezzails, man. They got the fucking jezzails. They got half-cyborg genetic monstrosities, they got skitarii with the same fucking poses as the skaven assassins.

>>50368785
Fluff wise it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Rules wise, nothing prevents them from it.

>>50368836

The fluff they used to justify it is Farsight sympathizers in the tau empire proper. And Tau don't have anything on par with the Imperial Inquisition to prevent it.

>>50368785
I know fluff wise he has sympathizer in the main empire that send him the lastest tech.
Pretty sure the supplement is that, a supplement to the main Tau codex and thus allows what's in it in addition to the rules from the supplement.

What's the best way to go when starting a dark eldar army with £300?

>>50368785
Because FE has absolutely terrible sig systems, the only good ones being
1. Anti psyker talisman
2. Fusion Blades (if you want melee)
3. mirror codex (if playing against imperium)

>>50368785
I think it might be in mont'ka? I don't care enough to check.

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>>50368704

It would be nice, though I've never actually played yet, so I can't actually comment.

>>50368702

Nice. That's the color in probably going to shoot for because I like the green lines. Here's my progress.

>>50368723

It seemed like a great place to start, though apparently running anything but Venoms is doing it wrong and you should kill yourself for thinking otherwise.

Or so I've gathered from here.

What sucks is that I love the raider, but it's bad apparently.

>>50368766

Part of the problem is that I don't get to play. Between working 2nd shift and having a newer shop with people who don't want to spend the money.

>>50368888

2 box warriors
1 Archon
Rest handkerchiefs for the tears.

>>50368900

HEY ANON YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME TWO WEEKS AGO, just finishing up painting my archon and il be all finished

>>50367623
no
>legion of the damned
in
>freshest rules

>>50368900
Anon i like to use Powerfists but you arent suppose to. so do what ever your little heart desires.

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Getting back into the hobby.

What do I need to buy to get a small, playable GSC force?

I eventually want to add in Tyranids too but right now I'm just concerned about getting a playable army.

>>50368910
How good is that/How should I play them?

>>50368900
Raiders are good but you don't take them for their own weapons, you take them for the weapons of the guys inside... which are often quite disappointing when compared to the duel splinter cannons on the venom.

Now the FAQ rescinded their ruling of "if the transport jinks the passengers snap-fire" you can give it a night shield for a constant 3+ cover save protecting the guys inside.

>>50369009
Buy Deathwatch Overkill.

Gets you three HQ choices, a decent amount of Acolytes and Neophytes, and some other units.

Enough for a small CAD or something.

>>50368900
Nice, that's a good start. So far I have a few marines, a few of them with magnets. I started my army at the same time as a friend, he bought a retribution cadre and a fire warriors box. I'm not sure if he finished a single model yet. Never had the chance to play a game either.

>go to LGS
>two players setting up a game
>ultrasmurf vs edgy spiky marines
>ask how's the game, first time seeing models IRL
>employee offers to play a demo game
>excited.png
>starts trash talking WH
>change subject to warmahorde
>brings out a warband of warmachine
>places his horde on the other side of the table.

And thus I played my first game of warmahorde thinking they were Warhammers ...

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>>50368900
Here's the recipe, bois.

Abbadon Black base, Incubi Darkness FAT highlight on edges, Coelia Greenshade, slightly above average thickness edge highlight of Kabalite Green, and regular edge highlight of Sybarite Green, and then to do the sharpest tips I was using "thinned" Hellion Green, but I bought the non-drybrush equivalent, which is Gauss Blaster Green today. It is literally the same color.

Pic is the fat Incubi Darkness highlights.

>>50369021

Q as a new DE player why was that rule significant? why is it significant not to have the occupants of the vehicle having the choice between snap firing or not

>>50369077
>why is needing to roll a 3+ to hit better than needing to roll a 6 to hit?

>>50369063
Looks super sexy dude. I was wondering for Archon. What wargear would I take for him? Only asking if you know of course

>>50369009

Two boxes of guardsmen, two chimeras, a sentinel, a leman russ battle tank, one box genestealers, broodlord/patriarch, primaris psyker/magus

Run the mechanized company(core) + magus(command) + patriarch(command) + one squad purestrains(auxiliary). ~1000 points.

Infiltrate everything, ambush the hell out of your opponent, fire mining lasers out of the hatch of your chimeras to kill his vehicles then massacre his dudes with invisible genestealers. This all happens in the first two turns. Let the tank and sentinel provide fire support, give the tank an Exterminator Autocannon so you aren't completely hopeless against aircraft.

>>50368455
If the Vinella Codex is correct those horny bastards have exported troops across the Galaxy in the centuries prior to the 13th Black Crusade. So even with Chaos knocking on Cadia's door, you still have legions of shock troops millions of lightyears away fighting the Tau or Eldar or whomever.

>>50369014
>>50368888
start collecting kit x2 + venom
Run the bikes as two squads of 3 with caltrops and heat lance.
first warrior squad 10 man qith a splinter cannon
second 5 man in the venom
use the last 5 guys as trueborn with two blasters int he raider with the archon, try deep striking them in.

It's not that strong but it's a good base to expand on what you want, I'd look up dark artisan and some haywire scourges.

>>50368888
2 Start Collecting
2 Scourges
2 Venoms

If you want more, perhaps a Succubus (or buy a Wyches box for a similar price and convert it) and a Ravager.

1d4chan seems quite up to date with tactics.

>>50369077
The way people always used to play them is you put the guys in a raider, when shot at the raider jinks for a 3+ save (4+ jink save + night shield), protecting the squad.
Jink make THE RAIDER snap-fire (only hit on 6s) but the troops still fire at their full ballistic skill as technically they didn't jink, allowing you to use it as a sort of mobile bunker for your dudes.

They initially ruled that if the transport jinks the guys inside ALSO fire snap-shots meaning your guys have to choose between have any kind of survivability whatsoever or being able to actually hit anything with their guns.

>>50369112
I like Shadow Field, Agonizer, Armor of Misery or Helm of Spite, and if you have the points, a Soul Trap, because if your strength is higher than the targets you reroll failed to wound rolls, so you can stack some early strength with the Trap. Webway Portal for some Deep Strike shenanigans.

>>50368679
it was only a mistake becasue the succubus is raw garbage. you got a good kit there, dont blow it on a succ

>>50369182
>>50369136
Are DE even worth doing? I constantly hear them get shit for how "bad" they are

>>50369188

So right now they fire regular shots while jinking

fuck thats a huge buff

>>50369112
Not him but the archon is kinda bad for his points if you want to give him any kind of equipment.
Either you go the whole hog or you give him nothing.

I give mine a shadow field, husk blade and soul trap to try and build some momentum through challanges.

>>50369227
Ally in some haemonculi cult formations. Look up dark artisan, it's amazing if you give the haemonculi a webway portal and teleport him in.

But yeah, they're not a strong army.
Any guard or tau player will just blow you away turn one with their ignores cover though space marines will struggle to alpha strike you as your vehicles has some pretty nice saves.

>>50369309
I've been running the Dark Artisan for a while now, but I can't really find a "role" for it except as a fire magnet.

>>50369227
They're not bad, they just don't have the bullshit other armies have. Playing DE is like you're playing a different version of the game from everyone else.

Why suddenly all the love for DE? Did the FAQ do the trick? I'm glad it came out in favor of them, good luck guys.

>tfw non-cult Tyranids are still garbage

>>50369399
FAQ came out in favor of Flying Circus being allowed to exist, at least.

But anything else is deader than dead, yeah.

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>>50368608
Keep telling yourself that, Decima.

>>50368301
Mate, that's AoS stuff.

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>tfw just bought a cronos
>really really want to paint it up but it's such a good looking model I feel like I'm going to ruin it

Wanna get that dark artisans detachment so bad

>>50368608

dark mechanicus keeps all the good shit to themselves

its canonical that they largely dont give a shit about CSM or even the chaos gods themselves


they sell off their shittier weapons of war to gullible chaos lords so they can continue to fund their real research

>>50369309
>tfw I can't find the WWP I got back when the 5e codex dropped

I pray to god that it didn't accidentally get thrown away when my folks cleaned my room when I went to uni.

>>50369416
What was the FAQ ruling?

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>>50368933

I do need to paint, but idk that I could get that much done in 2 weeks. There are too many distractions pulling me away, mostly because I get home at 12:30 from a job I hate, and just don't have the energy.

>>50368973

Where is there a powerfist? What?

>>50369021

What weapons do I use on them? Lances just in case?

I mean, I can see why the venom is infinitely superior from a mechanics point of view. It's smaller, has 12 poison shots at longer range, and a free 5++ save, but the Raider is just so awesome and more how I picture them moving around. If Raiders can jink and the guys inside can fire, then I suppose that makes them more durable, which is good.

>>50369053

Thanks.

You know, I really like WMH. I played a little a long time ago and had a blast, but then everyone I knew who played vanished into the wind.

>>50369063

Sounds like a pretty simple process! If/when I get around to painting, I'll give it a shot.

I was actually using pic related as my armor inspiration. I'm not a fan of the skin color because I like the inhuman gray tones, but the armor is awesome.

>>50369354

I played WE in fantasy, and that's how I've always felt.

>>50369486
Went back on the one that said you can still Vector Strike after jinking. So Crones can actually be competent, you know, if you want to take non-Flyrants or deal with fliers after jinking with your Flyrants.

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>>50369465
>C'mon, anon. We're a happy family. Join us!

Is getting tabled an autoloss in kill team?

>>50369513
It also has an extra hullpoint.
I wouldn't bother with weapons, just drown them in poisoned shots. They have the advantage on always wounding on a 4+ so you dont need special weapons to take on monsters or bikers.

If you do want special weapons upgrade them to trueborn and give them blasters.

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>>50369416
Are Orks still really fired up! [\spoiler] ?

>>50369570
Need to get around to finishing mine

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Loving all the Dark Eldar players in this thread

Just wondering for kill teams if the Venom outclasses the raider despite the new rule change.

Also if anyone has lists they would like to share im always interested.

If Orks got Fearless, Eternal Warrior and FnP until your next turn when you called a Waaagh! would that alone make them into a reasonable codex?

>>50369709
Most of the FAQ rulings that got reversed were things that actually weren't in the rules. Unfortunately, S4 remains S4.

>>50369587

I was more talking about on the Raider itself for the weapon. The warriors inside are getting the Splinter Racks for sure.

Blasterborn were probably going to get the Venom unless I took that formation that came with the starter boxes, in which case I'd use blasterborn in the raider(duh) with a WWP Archon. I

The real problem is that I want to use the wyches and Succubus, but even I can see that Wyches are wanting. They'd get a Raider, too.

>>50369513
im not saying you have any powerfist anon, i was just saying that i use powerfist on my guys when people say they are bad. so you can do what ever man you dont gotta choose the good option all the time.

What is Agents of the Imperium? Tell me I didn't waste my money on a DW Codex that I haven't even used yet.

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>>50369791

Aah ok.

Yea, that's kinda what I did with my one Reaver. Pic related. I liked the look of the rider having the whip I took from the kabalite sprue.

>>50369778
Weapons on the raider? If say always take a dark lance but there is nothing wrong with a disintergrator cannon.

>>50369813
Inquisitors, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, and Custodes.

Your DW codex is fine, if in need of a fixing.

>>50369570
Stahp also using all new models

Scorpion 10kg talos and pewter hammy is best

>>50369813
Death watch is safe.

It's apparently a group codex for all the old not-quite-an-army's that need updating, they're all being thrown in to one codex together.
They say it includes 9 different groups including inquisition, assassins, grey knights, sisters of battle, astropaths and something else.

>>50369827
Did the same on mine, kills space marine blobs real good.

>>50369883

I imagine Deldar are actually pretty adept at killing space Marines in general because Raiders/Ravagers come stock with Disintegrators, which appear to be designed for killing Marines lol

>>50369742
But DA Green Tide lets you call WAAAGGHH every turn

It's still not the issue, the complete lack of wargear choice, the fact they have a rule that kills your own boyz, terrible leadship, no deepstrike, so much of the codex is overpriced, FnP doesn't stack like other races does, almost all the formations are awful and I2 as a Melee race

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Since we're all dark eldar postan', here's my archon I painted back in 2011. I think I'll start busting out my army again. I was going for an homage to the original Archon model's absurdly huge Agoniser claw with this guy.

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>>50369909

>5+ armor saves
>AV 10

>>50368617

Ah nid player saltiness...

I agree with you 100%

Why are the ultra marines the best chapter?

>Discuss

Guys I have around £290 tell me what to get for my next army!
I'm looking for a fast and hard hitting army

>>50369975
>>50369909
>iron clad with two flamers in a drop pod
>librarians
>spammable razor backs JUST being in the av range Deldar have trouble with

Want to fit the custodes in with my grey knights, but still want to remain somewhat competitive. How's this?

CAD
HQ:
Brotherhood Champion - 150

Elites:
5x Paladin Squad, apothecary, 2 mastercrafted psycannons, 2 hammers - 370

Troops:
5x Terminators, psycannon, hammer - 195
5x Terminators, psycannon, hammer - 195

Heavy Support:
Nemesis Dreadknight, H. Incinerator, H. Psycannon, sword, teleporter - 225
Nemesis Dreadknight, H. Incinerator, H. Psycannon, sword, teleporter - 225
Nemesis Dreadknight, H. Incinerator, H. Psilencer, teleporter - 210

Formation:
Golden Legion Task Force
5x Custodian Guard, 3 spears, 2 sword/shield - 280

1850/1850

Brotherhood Champ goes with Custodes for hammerhand. Dreadknights stay together and flank. Paladins and Custodes hold the center. Thoughts?

>>50370027
Blood angels
Genestealer cults
Daemons
White scars
Harlequins

>>50370094
Daemons sound good. Any good army lists for them?

Was messing around with a list I could build. I am 6 points over, then I realized I had 6 Reavers and they're 16 points. Why 16? That's such a weird number, and its triggering autism levels in my list building.

>>50370117
Dude, I know. Everything else is a nice even 0 or 5 and then fucking Reavers come in here with 16ppm.

>>50370102

Horrors summoning Horrors summoning Horrors summoning...

>>50367795

Solar Macharius?

Just hand him over to Forge World for a new more realistic model.

Or let GW proper do it and have an over-the-top sculpted Imperial Guard commander.

>>50370117
Post dic

I mean list

>>50370140

Like, Scourges are 16 points, but you take them in 5s, so it's fine. You take Reavers in sets of 3, which is fucking ass.

>>50368608

More like DORK Mechanicus.

>>50370147
I want something fun

>>50370102
Pretty much anything with a psyker, almost all their units are good.

Tzeentch herald + pink horrors, greater daemon of your choice for a warlord and then just do whatever and you're set.

>>50369945
Maybe only the first WAAAGH of the game.

Fearless and (stacking) FnP would fix most of those problems, even if we're theorycrafting stupid shit at this point.

>>50370152
Fun fact: I'm an idiot who added Sails to the Raiders and forgot. I'm actually at 1001 still fucking annoying.

Purge Coterie

Archon w/Blaster
WWP

Trueborn x5
Blaster x3
Raider w/Shadowfield

Reavers x3
Lance, Caltrops
Champion w/Agonizer

CAD

Succubus
Glaive, Pistol
Armor of Misery
WWP

Wyches x9
Hydra Gauntlets
Raider w/Sails and Nightfield

Kabalites x5
Venom w/Cannons

Reavers x3
Lance, Caltrops

>>50370189
Khorn Daemons, Bloodletters getting in and deepstriking other Bloodletters and not allowing them to scatter, each and every one of them having AP3 'Power Swords', Bloodthirsters that get better with more points put into them, you've got DThirster, Wrathirster who will slay all of your enemies characters, etc.

>>50370208
How good are Daemons of Khorne? I'm looking at Bloodletters right now and their stats look great bar their armour

>>50370270
Remember that as Daemons, they all have an innate 5++.

That, and they can be used in 30k, 40k, and AoS.

>>50370270
They NEED psychic support to work but they're very powerful.
Khorne and Tzeentch are a great tag-team.

Their non-HQ units are overpriced but you can summon them for free.

>>50369231
Not as huge when you realize the venom is better than a squad in a raider anyway.

>>50367623
>tfw you have a decent understanding of the rules and casually browse the other Codexes to find the power levels
>You are Master of Rules Centurion at your store.

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>>50368582
this one anon?

>>50370265
>>50370270
>>50370357

Khorne also has that artillery chariot(lolwut), S8 AP4 large blast ignores cover, that lets you charge units hit by it at full initiative regardless of terrain

>>50370299
I actually had that in mind since I play sigmar aswell as 40k, haha. S4 AP3 is fucking amazing when you can buy 10 for £18

>>50370357
What psychic units should I get? Should I splurge on getting a bloodthirster? How much units of bloodletters do I need?

Any good chaos bits makers. I need stuff to put on my vehicles to make them more chaosy. 3rd party or GW is fine.

>>50370238
>I'm at 1001
>i make a list with give or take 25 points.

I don't feel bad for you guys with an anal meta

>>50370383

Bloodletters are actually Strength 5 on the charge iirc, and they also hit space marines on 3's. However they are still guard equivalent.

>>50370402
Oh fuck, I forgot about the furious charge they get! What do you mean about being guard equivalent?

>>50370386

Chaos vehicle kits come with all the loyalist parts + one or two upgrade sprues. Buy the upgrade sprues separately if you want more spiky bits.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=chaos+vehicle+upgrade&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xchaos+vehicle+accessories.TRS0&_nkw=chaos+vehicle+accessories&_sacat=0

>>50370416
Toughness 3, iirc.

>>50370416

toughness 3, no power armor

Though their melee stats are so high, they really aren't GEQ, real GEQ is stuff like cultists, eldar guardians and kroot

>>50370416
I think he's referring to the fact they're Toughness 3 and only have a 5+ save

>>50370416
Toughness 3, 5++ save and no extra movement bonuses.

You deep strike them and they're powerful enough to force your opponent to kill them but cheap enough to lose them as chaff.

>>50370432
>>50370423
Ah I see. I'm sure thats easy to deal with seeing how many you can dish out. I plan on having at least 30 myself anyway. Aren't the bloodcrushers T4?

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Using a Balewind Vortex as a portal glyph for a gift, what color should I make the soul tornado? Blue? Green?

>>50370459
Blue with purple and green highlights.

>>50370401

I don't have a meta, but 1001 is annoying to see when the only reason you're not at exactly 1000 is because of 16 point models that need to be taken in groups of 3. Its autistic, I know.

A 25 point leeway seems like a lot of leeway, though.

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>>50368608
>Disagreement intensifies

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>>50370557
>>>50370459
>my 5 says you paint it hot pink with orange polka dots

Never forget the shame

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>>50370545

Remember that time when you guys were making so many daemon engines that the gods destroyed your planet? Yeah, fun times, that shit is why you all guys are hacks.

So my list for things I'll be buying is
2 Start collecting daemons of khorne
1 chaos daemons codex
4 heralds of tzeentch on a chariot
2 boxes of bloodletters
Is this a good or bad list?

This is gonna sound silly. I'd really like for Magnus to have a change of heart.
Guy seemed like a real bro in the Horus Heresy. I sort of want him to go rogue.
>Completely fucks the shit out of Fenris
>Feels like his appetite for revenge has been satiated
>Realizes what he has turned into. Nothing to live for

He'd be a pretty cool tragic hero/villain rather than the whole "I'm aligned with Chaos, therefore, I am completely evil."

What're your opinions?

>>50370647

you can never go above bad if you include khorne.

>>50370647
I think that adds up to about 40 Bloodletters. So two units of 20? MSU?

My only gripe with that is that Khorne/Tzeentch Daemons army seems somewhat unfluffy, but power to you man!

Not enough Bloodthirsters. Never enough Bloodthirsters.

>>50370671
Why?

How does this list sound that I just bought?

CAD Siege Assault Vanguard 2000pts

Lord Asterion Moloc

Damocles Rhino
Dozer Blade
Cataphractii Terminators
1x Sergeant w/ Power Sword + Grenades
1x Terminator w/ Chainfist
4x Terminator w/ Lightning Claws

Siege Assault Squad
Combat Shields
1x Vet. Sergeant w/ Power Sword
9x Assuault Marines

Siege Assault Squad
Combat Shields
1x Vet. Sergeant w/ Power Sword
9x Assault Marines

Tactical Squad
Siege Mantlets
1x Sergeant
9x Tactical Marines

Caestus Assault Ram

Caestus Assault Ram

Roc Pattern Storm Eagle
Legacy: Isstan V Dropsite Massacre
Extra Armor

>>50370677

if you can't survive getting into close combat, whats the point of the close combat unit. Bloodletters blow. better off spamming heralds on juggernauts with dog packs.

>>50370675
I was thinking doing 4x10 man squads, each with a herald of tzeentch to go with them

>>50370697
I like them though...

>>50370677
I think anon is being somewhat pessimistic about it due to 7th being the shooty edition, and since most armies are Marines, they'll be immune to all of your Daemons Fear.

>>50370699
Ah, I see. Have the Herald buff them/cast foul sorceries on their enemies as they go in to spill Blood for the Blood God?

>>50370647

You'll want at least a Prince or a Thirster. Hell, even a Tzeentch Prince more than capable of face fucking people because it gets +2S from a Staff of Change and has access to Biomancy. Spoilers: S8 + Warp Speed is retarded.

I usually go ML3 (roll 2 Bio and Shriek), 2 Greater Rewards, a Lesser, wings and armor. If I get a greater I don't like, it becomes a greater etherblade, and the less becomes a staff of change. He's a monster. You can also give him an impossible robe for a 3++ save instead of the armor, but the downside is you have to pass Ld for unsaved wounds or he goes away for good.

>>50370699

Daemons can't join units of other gods.

>>50370699
You cant mix daemon flavors in a unit

>>50370718
Oh right, I didn't know about the units of other gods thing. I'll have a think about what I'll do

>>50370699
Characters of one god can't join a unit containing models of another god.

>>50370647
Drop two Heralds, nab some Horrors to baby-sit the Heralds. Drop the two extra boxes of Bloodletters, nab some Khorne dogs (use Chaos Warhounds).

>>50370754
I did what ya said. Not sure if I should add 1 box of horrors or 2.

>>50370767
you're gonna want as many horrors as you can get

you may want to hold off until the release of wrath of magnus though, pending the rumors of brimstone horrors getting a dataslate being confirmed and maybe shaking up your desired infantry choice

but you're still probably gonna want 2 boxes of horrors, at least.

>>50370767
Two. Horrors are great.

What's the game plan for taking out vehicles? I

>>50370789
I really have no clue. This is a starting army and I have some chaos space marines which I can ally as well. I have a chaos land raider which can deal with vehicles.

What's so bad about chaos anyways? You bluepilled fucks believe the Imperium is good just because they look closer to human beings? Chaos is the answer. The Emperor is evil.

>>50370816
enjoy being 'free' and ending up being a pawn for a dark power, getting turned into warp spawn and being in eternal pain and agony, unless you're a chosen.

>>50370812
>Chaos Land Raider as anti-tank
Good one.

Burning Chariots are alright, if a bit flimsy for the cost. Khorne Dogs can chew through light vehicles pretty well, and Pink Horrors/Heralds can do okay with Witchfires.

>>50370739

Horrors are good like >>50370754 said

>>50370767

Grab 2 and give each herald the Locust of Conjuration to bump their psychic strength, but You actually want to run them in units of 11 for the extra power dice. That means either 3 boxes, or some conversions.

A big unit works, but it's not ideal because then you only get to use Flickering fire once. With the LoC Heralds, you get 2d6 S6 Ap4 shots, and can up the charges for more dice.

I like having a Paradox Herald because I can shoot FF on a single warp charge.

>>50370812

You have Chariots, which get d3 S9 Ap2 shots for vehicles, but you might need more. Bloodthristers or Princes are good for vehicles. Flesh Hounds and Screamers are good at it, and the Heralds/Horrors should be able to strip away HP with S6 Flickering Fire.

>>50370538
Usually my meta isn't power gaming so if they're taking 25 points it's most likely some unoptimized shit that makes them happy

Is there any good books dealing with the Tau? I'm fairly new to 40k but find the Tau the most interesting by far.

>>50370891
No.

>>50370891
Taros Campaign story is by far the best Tau Lore piece available. No hero shit, just the Tau playing chess against the Imperium.

>>50368631
Have you ever seen them played well?
They're total glass hammers, but part of that means that when they work, it's graceful and elegant.
Also the Phil Kelly 5th edition codex was hilarious and playing a bunch of edgelords is quite funny, particularly when you name all your Raiders after different screamo songs.

>>50370882

That sounds pleasant. The people I remember from the old LGS I went to before it closed were not quite as pleasant.

>>50370922

That is rather hilarious. It's also funny how the Archon is in the edgelord crossed weapon animu pose, too.

>>50370946

Yeah FUCK that Archon miniature its so bullshit,

I hate mine and i dont think im even going to paint it, planning on getting a black sea captain from the Dark Elf pirate range and glue some dark eldar arms on him and replace his head with a dark eldar one and call him an archon.

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>>50370975

At least he has a fantastic ass

Yea, the Dark Elf line is fantastic, though. I almost started then in Fantasy, but went with WE instead.

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>>50370975
I got rid of those shitty arms and made them better.

>>50371055

Your picture is the reason im doing this you know ITS YOUR FAULT.

Also if anyone has any knowledge of what the black ark fleet master looks like in sprue form that would be great.

>>50368122
>If so, what the fuck do Eldar players do from here? Where does the lore go from here other than "slowly shit on by everyone else (like usual) but even harder"?

Something else taking out Slaany, maybe that plan of the laughing gods?

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>>50371065
Hah, that's great. I couldn't stand the "BLEH I'M DRACULA" pose either. Here's the best sprue I could find.

>>50370975
Yeah the 5e archon looked so much better default pose-wise. And the options for helmets, and soul-trap were cool.

>>50371180
I am glad I got 5 of the suckers from people selling off their DE, the bad news is I am sucker who has DE.

>>50370662
More like hes fucking fenris in order to somehow benefit the imperium at large. He already said revenge isnt what he wanta, but fenria HAS to burn

>>50369742
>If Orks got Fearless, Eternal Warrior and FnP until your next turn when you called a Waaagh! would that alone make them into a reasonable codex?

No that would be a poor bandage fix.

>>50368122

This is literally a meme

What happened
>Eldrad starts ritual
>It fails
>No mention of what happened to the drained souls but it wasn't complete anyway so presumably only x% were drained in the first place
>A fragment of Ynnead fucks off into the distance
>Eldrad doesn't even die

The rest of it is speculation, trolling, and butthurt people who got shitstomped by WAACfag Jetbike-Wraithknight armies. That said, the first 3~ generals after that booked dropped were fucking hilarious.

>>50371187
Yeah, I feel like a fool for modifying mine to where I don't have the helmets, soul trap, or huskblade. Why did they retire that model?

>>50370237
Problem is you call a WAAAGH! to get you stuck in now most of the time. Its fine as is, and linking other things to it is not the answer fixes to whats broken like mob rule, ramshackle, and the issues with FnP / no inv save.

>>50370685
nice list anon. not sure about the shields though, arent they only like a 6+ invuln?

>>50371237
it was a metal mold they converted to resin and the resin cast didn't work well so the retired it and made a new plastic mold.

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>>50371055
>converted archon
you mah nigga

>>50369021
>Now the FAQ rescinded their ruling of "if the transport jinks the passengers snap-fire"

Wait what, really?

Holy fuck THANK GOD, we Raider Gunboats nao

>>50371277
Bubble helmets are probably the most popular type to use, aren't they?

Hell, I'd equip all my Kabal with the damn things. Even the Scourges.

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>>50371277
Shouldn't he be off fighting Spider-Man?

>>50371055
>>50371277

Shit. That's awesome!

Then Reaver helmet looks great on it, but I like them on my Reavers, too.

>>50371454
yeah, theres a distinct lack of good unhelmeted heads and the regular kabbie heads seem a little too tall for an archon if that makes sense

>>50368122
What is the day in the middle doing with two polearm weapons lmao. Fucking Eldar compensating endlessly for micrococks.

>>50368578

By only doing what they do because they're too fucking stubborn and elfy to stop doing the things that birthed fucking Slaanesh.

>All this DEldar talk

That guy earlier ITT who mentioned creating a set of Grotesques out of Crypt Horrors and leftover Talos/Cronos parts inspired me since I've been planning to build a Dark Artisan formation for awhile. But at lower points, how does this look? I assume the main problem is "not enough MSU for effective DE-ing" but I wouldn't know because I've only played 2 games so far lol

996/1000 points
>Archon: Agoniser, Shadow Field
>3x Grotesques + Raider with Enhanced Aethersails and Nightshield
>5x Kabalite Warriors, Venom with 2x Splinter Cannon
>5x Kabalite Warriors, Venom with 2x Splinter Cannon,
>6x Reavers, 2x Cluster Caltrops
>5x Scourges, 4x Haywire Blaster
>5x Scourges, 3x Heat Lance
>Ravager, Nightshields

Archon and Reavers try to charge things and tie them up, Scourges run around and shoot appropriate targets and/or die (so far they've just died :), Warriors unleash a bunch of dakka on infantry and/or die because I don't have enough Venoms

Where do you guys usually order magnets? I'm wanting some cheap that wont take forever to ship.

Where's the new faq?

What faction would best work for Skaven in 40K?
Imperial Guard? Orks? Tyranids?

>>50367623
My bet is that magnus only wants to see Fenris burn and not destroy the wolves.
He wants to show and make a point about something and he wants the wolves to weep for their world just as they did.

He is probably going to rekt their world and then it's going to leave to do other things once he is done.

>>50371579

As shitty as it is, probably Tau.

>>50371590
Seriously everyone keeps talking about Magnus but wtf is going on with Ahriman? Why is he there working with the Sons again? Whats his endgame?

>>50371544
On GW's non-store site.

>>50371579
>>50371613
Genestealer Cult. Sneaky sneaky dudes with crappy armor, a bit crappy leadership, shittons of cheap dudes and higher-than-normal initiative.

>>50371619
Magnus told everyone to put that shit aside for a while so they can kill the Wolves.

>Airborne Assault Tempestus Scions supported by a Hellforged Warpack

A good idea, a bad idea, or a fun idea? Quite like Tempestus and I love the look of Maulerfiends, and I think using them to drive the battlefield a bit while my operational operators operate on the enemy.

I want an assault focused/melee focused army. How are blood angels? Viable?

>>50371636
>Ahriman listening to Magnus
>Ever
No. If he isnt in this for himself in some way Ima gonna be hella mad.

besides it writes itself
>Magnus casting super duper important spell
>Gets into 1v1 combat anyway
>loses
>If it wasnt for those meddling wolves!
>Meanwhile Ahriman in your base stealing all your things
SW win and TS get a win that means something vague that will never be touched on again. Tell me this isnt whats going to happen.

>>50371690
It isn't because this is a part of the End Times.

where are the rules leaks

it comes out in 2 days what fucking gives

>>50371619

Seeing as Magnus is a Daemon Prince, who are largely at the whim of their gods, and Ahriman is an unwitting pawn of Tzeentch, I'm sure it has something to do with that.

I like the theory that the Fenris spirits are actually trapped daemons like the planet in Traitors Hate, and Tzeentch's plan is to release them.

Magnus thinks he's going to drag Fenris into the warp. Meanwhile, Ahriman had agreed because not only has his quest lead him to Fenris, he still has Beef with the Wolves anyway, so he's cool playing with Magnus for awhile.

The truth is that Fenris will become a hellscape that can be accessed from the Eye, which is part of Tzeentch's plan.

>>50371714
>Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeend times.

baby steps anon.

>>50371690
>Meanwhile Ahriman in your base stealing all your things
He's probably looking for the secrets of Morkai, since it can BTFO khorne maybe he can use the sigil or Morkai to get rid of the mark of Tzeench and steal that fraction of Tzeench power from it.

>>50371690
>GW decides to go full end times
>wolves get BTFO
>DA get just as planned
>1ks are nearly destroyed due to betrayal
>Fenris becomes a daemon world
>Humanity is fucked because of its location

I would laugh so hard if something even close to this happened

>>50371721
The german whitedwarf was leaked in its entirety if you can speak kraut.

>>50371721
It comes into preorder in 2 days.

>>50371732
Yeah, it's going to take a while. They learned from AoS not to try and do everything over a short period.

We'll be seeing the Black Crusade and various related stuff going for the next 5 years.

>>50371714
>the End Times.
Nice meme!

If you're referring to the fantasy level End Times that is

>>50371726
I like your ideas apart from the Fenris = demons thing. SW use the warp. It ruins the whole rivalry thing is SW actually uses their own special unique non warp powers unlike everyone else. I just like the idea that theyre too dumb for the temptation to work on because they just tell the 'spirits' to fuck off and get back in the warp.

>>50371759
What makes it shit is replacing a cool setting with a shitty setting, not changing the rules or whatever.

What's a good mono-Khorne KdK list that only uses Daemons?

I want to be able to swap between AoS and 40k, as there's a community growing here.

Whats the best loadout for Space Marine Scouts and an Assault (jump pack) unit?

>>50371817
>scouts
IF
boltgun based weapons

UM
HB + the scout sergeant who upgrades the HB

All others
Sniper + Camo cloaks

>>50371768
I use End Times to mean the current trend in moving the story forwards to 1 minute to midnight, where things actually happen.

>>50371740
>He's probably looking for the secrets of Morkai
A book on the runes SW use would actually be super fucking important. However I dont think they actaully write shit down.

>>50371752
>I would laugh so hard if something even close to this happened
I'm ready for the leaks now lol. Preorders in like 2 days right?

>>50371817
Scouts with snipers and camo cloaks
assault marines just stock

>>50371845
>However I dont think they actaully write shit down.

So he'll find a senior rune priest and rip the knowledge out of his mind. The guy is older than dirt, I think he can manage to dismantle the mental defenses of a 300 y/o marine.

>>50371768

Well, spirits in 40k are more or less warp entities, anyway.

The way I see it for my theory is there is a daemon trap, likely a smaller one, like the TH one, and the spirits are other daemons that are anchored to the trap like a magnet. Maybe they're not daemons themselves, but they're there because of the daemons. The wolves channel their warp energies through the spirits, which act a filter, thinking they're using some kind of spirit energy.

Magnus and Ahriman break the trap, and instead of the daemons being released, it amplifies the magnet, drawing warp stuff around and towards Fenris. This way, the wolves still have their spirits, and arguably mire spirits because of the enhanced magnet, chaos has a victory that can be exploited later, but ultimately, the status quo isn't changed that much beyond Fenris having to fight off potential legion invasions and daemon incursions.

Is a hull lascannon on a battle cannon leman russ decent?

So besides some flipflopping regarding Jink, how exactly is the official FAQ different from the draft?

>the fucking retarded grenade rules is still there
>battle brothers are still banned from embarking on transports okay I know why this had to go but it's a pet peeve of mine

>>50371871
No. Don't take the single-shot weapon if it's going to be snapfiring. Keep it stock with the HB and hope you score a hit through weight of fire.

Now if it's a Vanquisher we might have something to talk about.

>>50371875
If you are from the same codex (and chapter tactic) you can start from an allies transport.

>>50368301
Fuck you man, you got my hopes up. Exodites are the only cool thing to ever come out of the Eldar.

>>50371894
>If you are from the same codex
They aren't allies. Read again. The allies matrix only applies to models that are of a different faction to your main force.
Ignore the memes. Orks can use Blitz Brigade just fine, etc.

>>50371875
The Grenade rules have always been part of the 7e BRB.

The transport things has always been part of the 7e BRB.

>>50371908

>he doesn't like 2000mph 360 barrel roll no scope headshots from the back of a raider

>>50371911
No, they clarified that. Same Faction and same Army can embark, so Blitz Brigade works.

SM with different Chapter Tactics in an allied detachment cannot, as per the Chapter Tactics rule making them count as a seperate army in order to legally ally them.

>>50371863
>So he'll find a senior rune priest and rip the knowledge out of his mind.
True actually. If Ahriman just gets that for this whole thing I'd be happy.

Ready for when he jobs to Njal?

>>50371867
Sounds interesting Anon. It could actually work out that way.

>Well, spirits in 40k are more or less warp entities, anyway.
The relationship these days is weird. GW has unaffiliated demons, whilst also saying all demons and warp entities come from the 4. Hopefully this or Inferno explain this more.

We know that SW uses the warp in at least some fashion. Funnily enough they are much more like sorcerers of the TS then the rest of the Librarians, and more like the sorcery of the GK then either it seems. They just kind of stumbled upon it however and there insistence on traditions saves them form the dangers others face.

Honestly I'm fine with anything as long as it isnt some weird ass magic that doesnt rely on the warp. That would ruin it for me.

>>50371892
dammit
how about a slapping a stubber on it?

>>50371966
No. No no no. If you take basic Lemanruss or Demolisher, you dont take any extra weapons on it. Waste of points.

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>>50371923
>The Grenade rules have always been part of the 7e BRB.
Through a retardedly-worded nebulous statement that heavily implied the limitation applied to the shooting phase only, supported by clear RAI indicating the latter (Demolitions doctrine Guard Veterans, melta bomb Sororitas Command Squads, FUCKING Corsair Dissonance Breach Charges)

>The transport things has always been part of the 7e BRB.
The only thing the rulebook has to say about it is that BBs can embark on allied transports.

>>50371977
even 5 points lmao?

>>50371993
You're only taking it as proof against weapon destroyed, which is an investment I can vouch for. It's a shitty gun with little synergy with your main weapon otherwise, not to mention the fact that although three shots is nice it'll still be snapfiring every turn.

Best online shop for Canuckers?

>>50372038
I too would like to know
so far I've just been using ebay or my lgs

>>50371875
>>50371923

I like the Grenade rules.

>>50369742
>If Orks got Fearless, Eternal Warrior and FnP until your next turn when you called a Waaagh! would that alone make them into a reasonable codex?

No, because it's only for 1 game turn, and even then, those buffs aren't enough to actually make them decent. It doesn't even put them on par frankly. Besides, outside of the shittiest decurion to ever exist, you can't call a WAAAAGH on the first turn, and Turn 1 tends to be when half of an Ork army just evaporates from the table.

Frankly, WAAAAGH in its current incarnation is seriously removed from the fluff. A WAAAAGH is formed when large numbers of Orks come together; sure it is always around a particular leader, but the key element is numbers. WAAAAGH should be an automatic buff that scales based on how much of the Ork army is left on the table. As the numbers of Orks dwindle, they should get less strong. Sort of like a reverse of Power Through Pain.

>WAAAAAGH!
>Ork armies resemble vast, ramshackle conglomerations, united only by the common purpose of getting stuck into a good fight. When enough Orks are gathered together, they become an unstoppable tide of destruction, fired up by the presence of their comrades. The only hope for the unfortunate soldiers who find themselves before such a wave of death is to kill enough Orks that those who are left figure its better to leg it than continue to fight. Given the sheer number of Orks that make up a typical Greenskin army however, this is a forlorn hope indeed.

>>50372133
Spam weird boys and pray you roll well and you can waaaaaagh turn 1

>>50372142

I too enjoy using our old 4th ed codex, but it's time to move on anon.

Around how many points are the genestealers from Deathwatch: Overkill?

Starting a genestealer army, trying to figure out what my first purchase is gonna be.

>>50372133
>WAAAAGH should be an automatic buff that scales based on how much of the Ork army is left on the table. As the numbers of Orks dwindle, they should get less strong.

Admech already has that special rule.

....because everyone knows that the Adeptus Mechanicus are known for coming in large numbers?

>>50371993
Yes, even 5pts. Because in guard list there are always places where those 5pts will come more handy than three snap shotting bolter shots. For instance, taking a flamer in some infantry squad. Dozer blade on that russ. Upgrading some heavy weapon.

>>50372232
[muffled binary orgasm in the distance]

>>50372232
They're also known for fielding large number of robots anon
the codex has zero vehicles

>>50372269
Fucking gays whoreshit fix heavy vehicles already goddamnit

>>50368549
Eldar gonna get hit with the nerfbat so hard we faceplant into the bottom-tier.

I'm building an Eldar+Orks alliance as my first army, and I'm gonna love every minute of it.

What does it take for an entire Chapter to fall to Chaos?

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>>50372355
Deep-seated corruption in upper management is a good starting point.

>>50372222
About 600 points or so.

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>>50372355
Geneseed Flaw, Chaos Fuckery, Corrupt Leadership or a very persuasive speaker.

How strong is the Bloodthirster of Uncontrollable Laughter?

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>>50372355
>>50372370
Don't forget getting fucked over by your "allies"

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Should I buy GSC cults, because I like their lore and have loved Tyranid lore since 4th edition, and plan to eventually expand into a Tyranid army if/when Tyranids get a codex update?

Or should I buy Admech, because I also think their lore is pretty fuckin' neat, like their grimdark cyborgs, PLUS they're getting a battleforce box that's a lot cheaper than having to buy a GSC army from scratch?

>>50372232
i actually think they're meant to be shooty orcs.

except not shit.

>>50372404
Genestealer Cults.

>>50372404
If you buy GSC, don't buy from scratch. Get the Deathwatch Overkill GSC sprues and use them as the base of your army, then buy the multi-part kits to add variety/pad out your list from there.

What are the most noob-friendly 40k novels? I don't care much for wargames, but the lore of this series fascinates me.

>>50372515
Try the Last Chancers books, or the Ciaphas Cain series. Both are from an IG, and therefore human, pespective. Last Chancers in particular are criminally underrated.