Is Blame! high or low fantasy?

>>50367445
>Takes place on an imagined world

High.

When your gun can shoot lasers that can shatter skyscrapers, it's probably not low fantasy.

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>>50367445
>a city with the diameter of Jupiter

take a guess

>>50367600
The empty space the size of Jupiter was more memorable.

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>>50367616
Holy shit, let's just have a Blame!/Nihei/environment porn general

>>50367600
It's over 1 AU wide and growing (at an accelerating rate). Like the other anon said, that was an empty space the size of Jupiter.

>>50367798
Pretty sure Jupiter used to be there, until the Builders finished breaking it down for raw material.
Also, on Blame and So On Nihei says that the City extends to "the edges of the Solar System"

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>>50367864
>Nihei says that the City extends to "the edges of the Solar System"

Is this boner how architects feel when they're allowed to do anything they want?

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>>50367445
Both.

It is so much more massive than a Ringworld.
Its area could house every world setting you know, and it would have plenty of empty space.

I'm half tempted to assume it could even house the Imperium of Man's population, but I'm terrible at math.

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>>50367445
>fantasy
>sci-fi setting

>>50368002
It has more surface area than all planets in the galaxy together. It's layered like a russian doll after all

The regular symmetrical outer portions of the City are roughly 1.6 billion km in diameter (10 AU) with sol nestled comfortably at her core. With a volume of roughly 2 octillion km^3 she boasted an exterior solid surface area of 8,000 quadrillion km^2 (some fifteen billion times the surface area of Earth). Merely travelling around the circumference of this shell at lightspeed would take four and a half hours, a radio transmission travelling from one pole to the other could take up to just over an hour and a half. Assuming the city has a disproportionate density equal to a mix of 75% sea level air and 25% steel (although the sheer density of her internal layers would suggest otherwise) the total mass of the definite portions of the City would equal to 40,018,750,000 solar masses.

That's right, it's easier to measure the conservative mass of this structure in units of measurement that multiply the mass of our sun billions of times over. In fact it's so massive that it dwarfs the supermassive black hole located at the center of the Milky Way galaxy by a hundred times over. Even if humanity began the reckless construction of the City for a sustainable period of expansion within the space of 10,000 years the Builders would have to assemble 1.5 quadrillion cubic kilometers of material per second. To simplify that, that's the equivalent of strip mining, smelting and re-assembling a solid iron ball equal in volume to Jupiter every single second for a duration of time comparable to the span between Earth as of 2014 and the rise of agriculture circa 8,000 BCE.

>>50368104
A nice copy-pasta that I found

>>50368104
brb jerking off

>>50368118
That's a tasty pasta anon

>>50367445

It takes place in our solar system, so it's low fantasy.

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>>50367445
>Blame!
>Fantasy

>>50367445
Nihilistic scale-horror.

Blame! is comic kino

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>>50368104
>Merely travelling around the circumference of this shell at lightspeed would take four and a half hours, a radio transmission travelling from one pole to the other could take up to just over an hour and a half.

>main character walks from place to place

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>>50368532
>>50368023

>impossibly huge structures
>more than one reality
>weapons that destroy mountains worth of concrete/metal in a blink
>motherfucking angels of death teleporting and blowing shit up because you're not "the chosen one"
>"t e c h n o l o g y"

nigga, that's fantasy

>>50368659
It's science fiction. This isn't a debate.

>>50368641
Well, that one elevator ride took over a month, and when Cibo blasts Killy with a piece of the sun he takes 14 years healing. And in Noise (Blame!'s prequel) Musubu spends 3000 years walking around the City without finding any other inteligent being. Future!Cibo spends ten years waiting/searcing for Killy in Toha Heavy Industries.

Nihei's characters are very pacient.

>>50368676
>>50368659

Science Fantasy??

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>>50368574
>implying it's better kino than pic related

>>50368574
The very concept of kino is asscancer though. The entirety of /tv/ should take brain contraceptive to make sure that this kind of neuronal abortion never happens again.

>>50368709
patient

>>50367445
it's soft sci-fi

what system would you guys use to run a game set in the Blame! world?
>inb4GURPS

>>50369054
memes aside, I think that GURPS can do a good job emulating it. Not many games have rules for getting harmed when you use overly powerful firearms

>>50368104
It would colapse in black hole, if it actually existed.

>>50367985
>mfw Nihei literally got into drawing manga because he liked architecture

>>50369124
They've mastered teleportation, energy creation, and gravity control. It's just their software sucks.

>>50369200
"mastered" is a strong word in this case

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>>50369172
>tfw no face when
by the way yes, Nihei studied architecture wich is basically really not a thing since who study architecture usually have already some decent drawing skill for his own

>>50369245
>tfw architecture student
>i only draw gay furry porn and metaphysical paintings

Time to tackle inks for once

>>50369200
>They've mastered teleportation, energy creation, and gravity control
Yeah, shit would get wacky with that kind of stuff.
>>50369172
What is funny is that he is actually a pretty good in stuff such as pacing, non-verbal characterization and comic layout. The only big problem that he have is that he can't give any of his mangas an ending worthy shit.

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>>50369123
>>50368932
Nihei's knight and lady aesthetics on a foundation of Beksiski and Giger are probably my very favorite things in manga.

>>50369259

>metaphysical paintings

So what, like surreal art just with a brighter color palette?

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>>50369284
>being this unenlightened

>>50369284
Dude, he's shit at conveying movement in his drawings. They look like still pictures that you can't tell what's moving and how until you've read forward to the other panels.

Luckily he gets better

>>50368800
>implying Archie Comics isn't hitting it out of the motherfucking stadium these days

>>50369298
Basically yeah, but I try to play with the perspectives so that they overlap in the same plane of vision, producing some rather strange places that feel eerie. They don't always have impossible/dense stuff happening in them,

>>50369284
The main problem is that he can't draw people and expressions. He is getting better, however.

>>50369339

Oh, that sounds actually pretty interesting. Got anything to share?

>>50369305
I understood what happened in Blame, is just that it was pretty anti-climatic compared to everything that happened in terms of how it was depicted. Just look at the ending of Sidonia and Biomega, to understand better my point.

This is the third time I've heard of blame, is it good? Anyone have the books?

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>>50369358
They're rather simplistic nevertheless. Let me share this one, it's not as clean as the other ones I did, but it's the one with the most stuff going on.

Every single adventure/session in a Blame! game would be exactly the same.

>group finds some people who aren't violent
>everyone gets fucking killed by safeguards/cyborgs/wormpeople/robots
>repeat

I alwas found the fact that the cultists from Noise worship internet/netsphere bugs rather funny.

>>50369411
Yes it is, it makes no fucking sense until you read it for the third time, but the environment porn is gorgeous

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>>50369479
Speaking of. Anyone ever got to play the /tg/ produced BLAME! rpg?

>>50369479
This.

A proper Blame! random encounter table would be something like "roll 1dBillion and 90% of the cases nothing happens for several decades".
Probably would get boring after a while.

>>50369505
A smart GM would take the several decades of silent and undisturbed travel as downtime between adventures and simply skip over them.

>>50369505
It would actually be kinda interesting to deal with that sort of time scale where your rest time/down time last for decades.

>>50369535
I would hope so. Roleplaying a several weeks long elevator ride sounds... interesting, to say the least

>>50368676
you mean space opera buddy.

>>50369552
Goddamit. Now I'm thinking about Undying again.
Undying's about vampires, but it is relevant here because of the different time scales it uses. Undying has two game phases, Nightly play, and downtime. Nightly phase is the high action game, and lasts in in-fiction time for maybe a night to a few days I suppose. Downtime is when everyone's plotting their next move, moving the pieces for when the next Nightly phase begins. Down time can last for in-fiction decades, or even centuries.

Here's the BLAME logs. animated shorts/moodpieces.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYbeUu-UPoxysM5A_qHCPIA6E26o7RFqk

>>50369552

If the elevator is the size of a small rust belt city and has a feral tribe of cyborgs who execute people by pressing them feet first through a hole cut in the side so that they're ground to a thin smear of biomass over the course of a few days it might be spiced up somewhat.

Blame! is easily big enough for that.

>>50368945
That too, it's a long time to wait and they presumably have lots of space to be both

Blame is much darker than i tought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cKpGSQB3LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO0JsSYTFzQ

>>50369892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDA1bUkotIk

>>50369054
Now I feel compelled to design a megadungeon in the city's vein. I can take the sci-fi elements and just use D&D B/X

>>50369496
I did yeah, it was fun. Math is a bit wonky but it packages the setting nicely.

>>50369953
Check out Stars Without Number. It's an OSR sci fi / space game. I did a cyberpunk megadungeon city in it, worked great.

I dont remember anymore. Why is the megastructure expanding endlessly in the first place? Is something manmade controlling it or if not, at which point did humanity lose control of the world?

>>50371569
see
>>50369305

low high science fantasy cyber dungeon quest

>>50367864
>>50368016
I remember seeing 27 AU diameter somewhere.

>>50368023
Speculative Fiction is Speculative Fiction.

Here's your fucking (You)

Why do we even have "science fiction" anymore when nothing is scifi? Everything's just fantasy.

>>50367445

Neither. It's dystopian cyberpunk.

>>50368016
where is the fucking subscribe button

i don't get tumblr

Thank you for reminding me I need to reread blame OP.

>>50369903
>>50369892
>CGI
I miss the 80's, 90's. We'll never get pure 2D animation again will we.

>>50372622

it's follow button

>>50367445
If it's set on Earth it's low fantasy. If it takes place on a fictional world it's high fantasy.

>>50369291
>tfw no thirty meter tall shy monster girlfriend

why live

>>50372550
Different themes. True science fiction is what's called speculative fiction. A fairytale with laser guns or some sound science here and there might borrow some surface aspect from scifi, but it' still a fairytale.

>>50369496
I keep meaning to get around to running a short game in this. It's extraordinarily difficult to conceive of a good campaign idea though.

The one I came up with was that the PCs would be randoms in some section of the megacity a few decades after BLAME!, and basically receive a prophetic dream hailing the coming of a messiah who will lead the humans on a crusade to excise the silicon life (Which they barely understand being podunk nowhere scrappers).

The bulk of the game would basically be about skulking around trying not to get killed, trying to convince everyone the messiah is totally real, and organising all the disparate settlements in the area into a coordinated militant church that is ready to burn the silicon life society out of their homes the moment Killy turns up with the net terminal genes and fixes that floor's safeguards.

Wherein even the most plebian bookworm of a silicon lifer is more than a match for a single PC in combat.

>>50369087
No good rules for getting harmed with overly powerful firearms, anyway. Rifts has MegaDamage, but instead of thinking about it normally, the authors decided "hurr, if ur using SDC (standard damage, aka every human/normal thing that you could find today) u die instantly" which leads to weird things like blasting someone's toe off with a lasergun looking thing somehow kills the guy.

Man, this is reinvigorating my interest in an old book I had half written.

Especially the massive megastructures in space. That book showed some huge things and implied even larger ones. Like bigger than Ringworld. Would be very interesting to run a game rooting around the remnants of one of these titanic megastructures. Lots of different environmental problems to deal with, plus the regular problems of abandoned stations.

>>50372904
What was speculative about the early works of scifi that were more outlandish than that's deemed fantasy today?

>>50368659
Hope you don't drop your futon. You probably won't get it back.

>>50369259
There's more money in gay furry porn than architecture anyway.

>>50372846
>wanting worst girl
the /a/ cancer is spreading

>>50373064
Honestly, surviving while waiting for Killy doesn't sound that interesting.
How about a small community of people migrating through the City from the original living space in search of a new one, after their original home got destroyed/targeted by Silicon Life?

>>50368104
>the mass of the City is equal to forty gigasuns

>>50368932
>mensab and seu
Fuckin love these guys.

>>50369097
I thought the perspective was fucked on this one but the columns imply that those stairs really are ridiculously steep.

>>50367445
Neither.

Its Science Fiction.

>>50374439
Makes sense. The Builders care little about people, as long as it strikes they fancy they will build.

>>50369479
Killy being unemotive as fuck beyond killing silicon life/safeguards makes sense if his player's a total minmaxer only concerned with winning combat rounds. As does the mounting weariness/him laughing at whatever crit success you need to survive a chunk of the goddamn sun teleported on you.

Everyone else except Seu and maybe Cibo's an NPC, though.

What I want to know is how does the bazillions-of-Safeguards-appearing-suddenly thing works, and is it related to the "downloading" of people in and out of what I thought was some kinda internet?

Is it basically Tron taken to its' logical extreme, nanomachines or is there no real reason for why programming can affect the real world?

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>>50374429

>>50374512
Direct and perfectly efficient matter-energy-matter conversion.
BLAME! is basically "we finished science but the entities we put in charge of everything got BTFO'd by anarchists and oligarchs."

>>50374520
Killy, Cibo, Sanakan, Seu, Mensab, Ivy, Maeve, Davinel, Domochevsky, and Ico.
It's a credit to Nihei that he can make the manga feel so sparse and isolated with so many major characters,

>>50374528
Motherfucker. Sounds like Supcom, or maybe the Necrontyr in their prime.

Now I kinda wonder how the City in its' prime would've fared against the Necrons. Universe-cracking weapons and C'tan probably take it, but those take time to field and by the sound of things they zerg rush harder than the actual zerg and 'nids combined.

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>>50374545
It's missing some characters, but a nice image none the less

>>50374567
Just realized those are simply the caracters who appear on the Safeguard Conversion Tower arc

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>>50374439
yeah the staircase is near vertical if I'm remembering properly. I need to reread Tsutomu's stuff,

>>50374583
Biomega was drugs

Did Cibo and Killy ever fuck?

They were riding that elevator for a long time.

>>50374710
Killy doesn't seem like the fucking kind desu

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>>50374663
good drugs though

>>50374710
They probably just linked their net interfaces and simulated sex to save on calories.

>>50369291
Now that I think of it knight&lady is a recorrent theme on Nihei's works. That and Toha Heavy Industries' existance as a good megacorp

>>50374545
tfw the kid that appears in the beginning of Blame! while accompanying Killy is a young version of Iko. Killy eventually forgets about her and doesn't react when he meets her again.

>>50373718
>not wanting a gf you can pilot

plen

>>50374768
Actually it's Sanakan-Seu-Cibo's child

The kid has (literally) two moms.

>>50374791
That's the end, this guiy is saying the beginningt.

>>50374798
:O

>>50374791
p r o g r e s s i v e

>>50374821
More like extreme genetic fuckery

>>50374780
what the fuck happened to her and kardal

>>50374821
Not really, actually, the kid has Seu's and Sanakan's genes. Cibo was just a surrogate.
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I will never get tired of that page.

>>50375293
I'm pretty certain that that's a reference to Cordwrainer Smith.

>>50375433
I wish I could get into Cordwainer. I read a few shorts from the anthology on Amazon and they were pretty neat but I didn't feel the sense of awe I felt like other people got. I read at least Scanners Live In Vain, the one with the starship captain and his girl who grow old on purpose to be with each other, and the one where they have cat-brains running their anti-space dragon weapons.

>>50375546
You read the one where Rambo whines that he was tricked into temporarily becoming a god and they send him to planet reverse sexual harassment to shut him up?

>>50375788
I don't think so. I did read one where there was a colony where the environment killed everything female so they invented male pregnancy to survive, and I think there were cat people in it.

>>50374528
Neither. The infrastructure worked too well.
First the safeguard does its job and kills everyone without net genes. Then the net chaos comes and all lose theirs and are targets now.

>>50373200
>>blasting someone's toe off with a lasergun looking thing somehow kills the guy.
>hydrostatic shock

>>50374439
>stairs really are ridiculously steep.
If you trip and fall on these stairs, you never stop.

Never.

>>50375823
Ah, the one where a Go-Captain defends himself against the M-preg barbarians by traveling back in time and seeding their moon with cat people.

We later learn that he was sentenced to exile on planet Gurochan for creating those cat-aliens.

>>50376003
Yeah! Forgot about the time travel, that was a neat touch. There's something wistful about Cordwainer's writing style that I could never get over, like I was reading his descriptions of the real stories that he's very sorry about having lost.

>>50367532
Not lasers, it's a gravy gun.

>>50374528
Well, only on Blame! you can get cut in half through your internet connection.

>>50375433
Oh? Which one?

Most of Blame is based on ideas from Gregory Benford's Great Sky River.

>>50376091
Yeah, NIhei cited him as a big inspiration on Blame! and So On.

>>50369411
It's kind of like an oldschool silent film; pretty much the diametric opposite of Initial D's overexposition.

You basically just sit back, make sure you've got at *least* half the series with you in any one sitting, and just watch the nearly-silent protagonist as he takes this adventurous, deadly walk to the ends of the solar system.

I can't guarantee you'll like it since there's not really anything else quite like it, but I thought it was fucking wonderful and actually tells a lot of story and lore - much of it without a word - if you carefully look back again.

Scenery porn at its brightest.

>>50375788
>>50375546
>>50375433
>>50375823
>>50376003
>>50376029
I legitimitely can't tell if you guys are bullshitting or not, but if you're not-I think I just found a new favorite author

>>50376166
They're not. Smith's stories are written in a very pedantic style but some of his situations are warp-induced fever dream batshit insane. He was ahead of his time.

Read the Instrumentality of Man first, it's quite grand.

>>50376166
Those are half memories but they're not Bullshit. The name of the story is "the crime and glory of commander suzdal." I love cordwainer smith, but he's not really a modern taste

>>50376091
Some anon posted this list of references, might have been from Blame! And So On:
Great Sky River by Gregory Albert Benford (Cibo)
Feersum Endjin by Ian Banks (Netsphere)
Busou Shimada Souko and Ad-Bird by Shiina, Matoko (Garbage storage, Tetsu, Zulu)
Dead boys and Dead Girls by Richard Calder (Ivy and Maeve)
Kirinyaga by Mike Resnick (Mensaab)
Greg Bear's New Collection by Gregory Dale Bear
Permutation City by Greg Egan
Hyperion, The Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, and The Rise of Endymion by Dan Simmons
Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive, and Burning Chrome by William Gibson
Steel Beach, The Ophiuchi Hotline, Millenium, Titan, Wizard, The Persistence of Vision, Blue Champagne, and The Barbie Murders(Picnic on Nearside) by John Varley
Billenium by James Graham Ballard

With a handgun that never needs to reload, shoots through everything, and causes explosions equivalent to hundreds of pounds of TNT it's probably high fantasy.

>>50376315
>never needs to reload
He reloads it a lot, his body produces the pellets.
>hundreds of pounds of TNT
lowballing it there

>>50376339
So biological bullets capable of replicating large scale bombs? High fantasy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUYX4XlIKM

Nihei draw on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5zri5TmPU

Blame! inspired walking simulator

>>50376484
Not really, could be easily explained by really advanced technology.

>>50376584
Which is high fantasy since that techology doesn't exist yet or ever will.

>>50374491
Two left arms

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Is this how Chaos cults feel like?

Why is it that every single time he meets someone he ends up either killing that person along with everyone around them or that person gets killed by something he then kills?

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>>50369903
>>50369892
>Blaring hollywood music

>>50376805
>no memories
>doesn't trust silicone lifeforms
>doesn't give a fuck

>>50376805
Well, it's the story about a guy who wasted possibly years walking across a room the size of planet Jupiter just to kill a single paceful astronomer.
Most murder-hobos didn't got shit on Killy.

>>50376599
Your post is high fantasy because prophecy isn't science.

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>>50376769
NOiSE is amazing, pretty much every page is a work of art.

>>50372542
Fruit is fruit, but you don't ask what kind of banana an apple is, Mr. Easy-Salt.

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>>50369172
>mfw Nihei literally got into drawing manga because he liked architecture

I heard somewhere that Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira) was originally an architecture student, as well.

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>>50376861

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>see this being released, overjoyed at seeing it in print again
>buy it immediatly
>Killy is localised and translated to Kyrii

WAT

>>50376990
Its like the shitheads who think Guts = Gattsu

>>50377004
pure nipponese engrish, translated one hundred million times

>>50369892
BURAMU

>>50377070
Well it's supposed to be the sound of a gun firing so I guess it's close than pronouncing it "bla-ym" as the title spells out in English. So it's something I guess.

>>50376840
That poor guy. Probably a sweet release though

>>50377033
You think it takes that many?
>Pure japanese english, translated one hundred million times
Translate to japanese:
>純粋な日本語、翻訳1億回
Which, if you then translate to english:
>Pure Japanese, translation 100 million times

>>50376990
Welp, no need to buy it then.

>>50369892
>>50369903
Man, early 2000's video games called, they want their cutscenes back.

>>50369670
Thank god these exist, if nothing else.

>>50377338
Not if you have the original prints, no. The rest of the thing is good though, a great big tome, with two more to complete the series already on the way. Luckily I'm not autistic enough for such a strange translation to stop me.

>>50377375
I will not stand by heretical mistranslations!

And no, I don't have any version. I've wanted to get some, it's one of the few mangas I actually enjoy, but I hate the small size I've only been able to find them in. this looks like a beefy issue, though, so that's a plus.

>>50374288
Good idea actually. A kind of science fiction Banner saga would be pretty excellent.

I had the notion of the looming messiah as a thing because otherwise there is:
a) OOC knowledge that there is absolutely no hope of anything ever being okay no matter how well the PCs do
b) Not much reason for PCs to take risks the way that PCs... do. You'd have to be a real fool to take the 3 week trek over to the next town to convince them that everyone should pool their resources for the greater good, when there's like a 10% chance each way that you run into either silicon life and get slashed to bits by some bullet-time edge-lord, or safeguard and get buried under a few thousand iRobots crawling out of the goddamn walls.
c) No real sense of climax near the end unless things are real contrived. I figured that having Killy turn up puts all the lurking things on that floor on an incredibly tight timer, to try and shank the net terminal gene holder, while the rag tag band and their allies desperately try to stall them long enough for the safeguard to be re-activated as allies.

I might try and combine the two.

>>50372622
>>50368016
Curb your enthusiasm.
Last update dates to Jul the 5th.
2015.

>>50368676
>it's in space that means it's science fiction

>>50377742
Yes, yes it does.

>>50367600
That could easily be either.
>>50368659
Everything you mentioned but the angels are elements of science-fiction.
>>50369597
Space Opera is science fiction you dongle.

>>50377829
The angels of death were Safeguard nanotech constructs. The only thing fantasy about them was the aesthetics.

>>50377847
Technologically hand-waved fantasy is still fantasy -- or rather, science-fantasy.

Also re: OP the distinction between high and low fantasy has nothing to do with setting and everything to do with themes and narrative.

>>50374746
Amazingly good drugs.
I need to buy a physical edition of it. Got myself a physical 1st ed BLAME! when reprints didn't exist yet and I've kept it sealed ever since.

>>50377869
Technologically hand-waved fantasy is space opera, which is enjoyed by GRRM fans more than by Greg Egan fans but is found in your library with the rocketship or Saturn sticker on it. There's a very good reason fantasy and science fiction are sold together and detective fiction and thrillers have their own sections.

>>50377910
>Technologically hand-waved fantasy is space opera
No, it's science-fantasy. Space opera is basically the adventure genre, but set in space. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Science-fantasy is often also space-opera, but by no means must be.

>>50377984
ok

>>50378072
no

>>50376091
I think Mark Elf featured the middle-sized sentinent bear with the monocle taking care of the german loli.

>>50376840
>a single paceful astronomer.

Wasn't the dude Silicon life though?

Mega structures thread?

>>50378429
>implying that silicon life should be killed on sight

racist

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>Nihei thread on /tg/
Truly best board

>>50368532
Sci fi means science fantasy you dog.

How the fuck can you put this aesthetic into words?

I'd just show my players some images and say "you're here and it looks like this".

>>50378815
post-cyberpunk nihilistic scale horror high sci-fi architectural porn fantasy

>>50378876
But what if you were running a campaign in this setting?

"Shit's big yo" might get old after a while

>>50378909
It's different kinds of big. A twisting path leading into white nothing, the rooms of the state Cibo was found in, Toha Heavy Industries hanging like a wasp nest above an abyss, the Jupiter room, the long elevator ride, all big but different big.

>>50378909
Only thing to do is to work on your vocabulary

>>50377473
>a) OOC knowledge that there is absolutely no hope of anything ever being okay no matter how well the PCs do

Eh, the Netsphere was so vast that multiple seperate human species developed within it. Plenty of them were apparently left alone long enough by silicon life and safeguard for that to take place. The more advanced parts also could hold out against silicon life attacks for a long time.

So really, if you aren't the Electric Fishers,, chances are that you're going to have a somewhat normal life beneath a steel sky with floating laserbabies protecting your airship ports.

>>50369391
Ending of Blame! was fine, the whole thing was building up to that anyway.

It was the arch right before the ending.

What the fuck was that shit?

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>>50369305
Also
>long time after
>human acess to the network reestablished
>Killy on top of his game and wrecking shit up left and right

>>50368709
> toa heavy industries
Wait, is this Blame! Or Bio-Mega?

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>>50379066
It's Nihei, there's always Toha.

>>50379094
.....how

>>50379105
Just an artistic flourish, like Acme Corporation or the Wilhelm scream.

>>50379105
Well, Toha as it appears in Blame! has technologies that can access alternate universes.

>>50379339
>alternate universes
Cibo was a mistake.

>>50378876
That's the worst way of describing something I've ever seen.

>>50376599
>or ever will
Can you see the future?

I love how in Blame! you can "download" any kind of physicality through perfect matter instantiation. Basically the whole universe and everything possible within it becomes programmable software, though there is hardly anyone within the City who can use it properly.

>>50379400
no shit, sherlock

>>50379479
you are wrong

>>50378681
> fi is short for fantasy

I was on your side but fuk u dum.

It's fiction, by the way. The fi in sci-fi is fiction.

>>50377033
Kek.

>>50379105
My headcanon is that Toha has
branches in all realities.

>>50379447

The core of The City is basically a memory editor for the universe: so long as it keeps its focus up, it can keep pumping save states into an individual like Killy to keep him intact even if he's otherwise in a situation where by all means he would have dematerialized - like being stuck inside a star.

It's the ultimate guardian angel.

>>50379033
I love how he is some sort of myth that nobody in-universe is sure existed or not.
It's a shame that we probably will never see more about the Blame!-verse

>>50379595
>an industry so big that is spans all realities

Industrialism has gone meta

>>50377004
I don't think anyone actually thinks that unless they've only heard him referred to as Gattsu.

>>50379447
I thought that was just the matter used in its construction.

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>>50379595
Someone should start dumping chapters

>>50379637
The City is a man-made lovecraftian god, really. The Blind Idiot God of Technology.

>>50369054
Seriously, GURPS.

other then that...RIFTS or something odd like MSPE.

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>>50367445
What is 'sci-fi'?

>>50379639
>It's a shame that we probably will never see more about the Blame!-verse

Has Nihei ruled out doing another manga in the Cyber Dungeon?

What's his most recent manga? I've been out of the loop for a while.

>>50379840
Sidonia ended, what, a year ago? He's expanding a one-shot called Ningyo no Kuni into a full series, looks like it's some sort of post-apoc with robot girls. More whitespace than Sidonia.

>>50379840
He finished Knights of Sidonia, basically Gundam meets Babylon 5.
He released a one-shot about a girl archeologist on a world with massive machinical artifacts left by percursors.

>>50379876
>a girl archeologist on a world with massive machinical artifacts left by percursors.

why do i have this boner

>>50379861
>More whitespace than Sidonia.
Altrough I loved the 'dirt" artstyle in Blame, Biomega and Abara, the cleaner style of Sidonia isn't that bad. All the sci-fi posthuman architecture goodness is still there

Is there somewhere I can find HD scans? I've only found shit quality scans and I feel like reading it like that just isn't right

>>50379033
...
>the way he's just one-handing her torso like that
ow.

>>50377004
>Hauru's moving castle

>>50379876
>Knights of Sidonia
Wait what

I heard that was a shit show. Is the manga better?

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>>50380320
>Ong

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>>50380427
>Kira :^)

>>50380418
It's very different from the usual Nihei product. It embrances some anime tropes but with a Nihei-ish spin (e.g. guy takes wrong door and finds himself in girl's changing room, girl punches him. Except that girl is a gen-enginered supersoldier, so she breakes his skull , complete with glorious xray scan, and he goes to the hospital. Surprisingly gruesome actually).
It's pretty good, lots of scenary porn. The ending is pretty annoying. The anime gets lots of shit because it's cgi.

>>50380320
They might as well have used that title, seeing how different the movie is from the book.

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Imagine, if you will, a Black Gauna with a Safeguard Sword.

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>>50380849
Nihei has a thing for endless stairs

>>50380830
Blame! with color looks weird.

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>>50380864
Yeah, even if that one is nice, some of the coloured Blame! are really weird

>>50380908
Color could add a lot to Blame. I hope the movie doesn't go overboard with it, though.

is blame and biomega related?

>>50379861
hey can you spoil me on sidionia? i stopped reading a while ago

>>50381066
Every work of Nihei is related through Toha Heavy Industries.

>>50381066
No, altrough they have similarities they are mutually exclusive. The Earth is destroyed in completely different ways in either story.

>>50380864
I always imagined it as already almost fully colored, and the structures themselves are totally stark and nearly all within grayscale, maybe excluding grime or blood or the occasional device.

>>50380747
And a GBE. Because fuck everything and everyone.

>>50381027
True, and sound too.

Is there a prevision as for when it will be released?

>>50381083
Evil Ochiai wants to use the Gauna to become The Ultimate Lifeform like Cars, Tsumugi sacrifices her life diving into a star to stop him and save Nagate, but she survives because they save a little piece of her that's the same thing that Ochiai used to take over the long-haired rival guy and his maid. Tsumugi gets a human-sized body and colonizes the earthlike planet with Nagate, the third-gender girl turns into a guy to get the executive officer girl, and the plot thread with the Gauna trying to communicate with humanity is completely abandoned.

>>50381142
In the thread. It's CG like Sidonia but they're trying harder with the cel-shading.

>>50380319
No one there is human, they're all capable of punching through your skull.

>>50376166
>I legitimitely can't tell if you guys are bullshitting or not

It's a universe in which the Kamen Riders almost started an uprising because advances in radiation shielding made cyborgs non-essential to deep space travel and where sending in dragonfuckers is how they regularily deal with hostile megafauna.

>>50381152
That sounds like a pretty shitty ending.

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I wish Sidonia had stayed creepy. I wonder what happened.

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Say what you will about the art detail, Sidonia had parts with excellent atmosphere.

>>50381240
It was his daughter or editor IIRC

>>50381240
Basically, it went full shonen.

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>>50381152

>>50381194
I know, I know, it's just, it looks so uncomfortable.

You know when you're one-handing a really really fat book, or some block that's just a little bigger than your hand can properly grasp, so you're just going full-pressure with the fingers...

I mean, imagine that right into your ribs. That's even worse than just poking them.

Can someone post Nihei's porn pictures?

>>50379832
Well, clearly not this. Scifi is "Fiction, but like realistic fiction that could happen, or outlandish fiction I like. Anything else is just fantasy." Or so I've understood the definition.

>>50380862
He gave me that fetish, too.

>>50381340
Yeah, that kind of stuff is painful.

>>50381240
Daughter happened.

>>50381353
Weird to think Nihei drew a hentai book

>>50381408
Heard he started KoS because of her, too. She wanted him to do something nice, like Attack on the Titan.

>>50381152
The rage of /a/ could be felt physically.

>>50381409
I'm so fucking curious, man

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>>50381273
>>50381408
That's such a shame. You can tell he had something else in mind.

>>50381428
cyberpunk.asia has it. He just drew 4 pages (assuming they have everything made by him)

http://cyberpunk.asia/gallery.php?aff=list&aut=Tsutomu_Nihei&ord=nom&limit=32&page=0&img=0&lng=us

>>50381382
To the average person fantasy is typically past-focused and sf is future-focused. So Harry Potter is fantasy because they wear comfy scarves and wave wands but take the exact plot and world and make it all metal and call magic psionics and it's sci-fi.

>>50367467
This

>>50367467
You seem to be mistaking your fantasy with drugs

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>>50381455
UNF

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Level 9 Safeguards are freakish

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>>50382195
>tbhd_
You know that's not the full resolution?

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The idea of Fantasy made by Nihei is surprisingly intriguing

>>50382244
Yes but not really, if that even makes sense (some images I really didn't want in full resolution, but I forgot to download the ones I wanted bigger)

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>>50382271

>>50382271
Blame is a sword and sorcery plot already.

>>50369002
Imagine living in that place in a time when it's fully populated.
The sheer mass of people, the smells, the sounds.

>>50382877
It was never fully populated
The Net Apocalypse happened before the City even reached the moon

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Sinking thread is sinking

anyone else here know any other series where immortal characters are the status quo? I don't see ideas like that often and would like to see more.

>>50382937
That is still pretty big.

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>>50382964
Was fun

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>>50383234
A very enjoyable ride

>>50368104
Good fucking god

'night, Nihei nakama