>when the arch-militant tries to solo a Chaos Space Marine

>>50346857
>movie marines mayamay

>>50346871
What are you even talking about?

Fluffwise a normal man against a space marine is a bad matchup in itself

Remember when an old retired comissar took down warmaster Varan the Undefeatable in a duel?

>>50346903
What, the psychic dude who walked into a blank's psychic nullification area and then got surprise attacked?

>>50346891
Ruleswise, too. CSMs beat ass in 40k RPG.

And let's not forget that Zodd isn't just a CSM, he's a daemon prince.

>>50346903
>an old retired comissar
You mean Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium?

I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear that an Ascendance-level Commissar player character was able to hold his own against a Chaos Space Marine NPC adversary. The entire party should have been killed by mooks before the campaign ever got that far.

>>50346857
Zodd is a Daemon Anon.

>>50349835
He used to be human, he's a daemon prince at most.

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>>50349835

>>50346903

Remember that time a Catachan took down a down chaos lord with a poison blow dart

>>50351081
Remember Chewbacca?

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>>50351303

Remember Alpha 17?

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>>50351321
Remember the Alamo

>>50346857
Could an un-altered human take down a space marine? , someone with guts level of determination lets say.

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>>50351396
Remember, remember the fifth of November.

>>50351540
a bullet to the skull is still a bullet to the skull
a knife in the neck is still a knife in the neck

>>50351321

Wasnt this guy taken to deep space to be Ventress's sex toy?

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>>50351563
Remember 9/11 just isn't as catchy, is it?

>>50351570
knowing a space marine they probably have a decent chance of surviving either of those

>>50351616
Member when there weren't so many Mexicans?

>>50351623
It's incredible what luck, sheer stupidity on the marine's part, and guile on the mortal's side can do.
There was a veteran Word Bearer that died when a wooden spear hit him, and pierced him in a way that made recovery impossible. This because he never wore a bloody helmet.

How good's the arch militant's plot armor save?

>>50351793
remember tomorrow

>>50351793
Probably weren't so many of everyone else, either
Apart from Chinese people, there always seems to be a lot of those when they aren't having famines.

>>50353208
You can always burn a fate point to avoid death.

>>50354812
That's what Guts and Casca did to survive the sacrifice.

>>50347643
>Ruleswise, too. CSMs beat ass in 40k RPG.
If they're not wearing their armor, a team of 5 or 6 dudes with greatswords can kill one in 1 or 2 turns. Great weapons do 2d10+SB damage, vs a marine's Toughness Bonus of 8, so it winds up becoming 2d10-4 damage, or 7 damage on average against the marine's 20-ish Wounds.

>>50359140
>If they're naked and the entire party is spec'd for melee combat, CSMs are no big deal

You realize that the all Guardsman party is a joke, right?

>>50359140

why the fuck would they not be wearing their armor?

Also, a party of five people with greatswords is something silly as shit even in D&D 1ED...

>>50359140
So this is assuming that the marine is just standing there without a weapon and not reacting at all?

>>50348007
What? Varan wasn't a Chaos Space Marine. He's described as a human of average height with a weird mustache. Doesn't even wear armour. He's "Undefeatable" because he's a powerful psyker specialised in mind control who takes over anyone around him, not because he has much physical combat skill. Take out his trump card and he's screwed. (He really ought to have taken an Exitus bullet to the head long before the novel starts - his power has a clear range limit for initial control.)

>>50359140
>a team of 5 or 6 dudes with greatswords can butcher a defenseless one in 1 or 2 turns
Thanks for the info.

>>50362396
>naked space marine
>defenseless

>>50359140
How are they going to do that in 1-2 turns?
Remember: Plates organs
Doesn't bleed properly
Extra hearths

>>50362251
No, that uses his Reaction to parry one, and then gets killed by the rest.

>>50362440
>average of 2d10-4 means average of 7 damage per hit
>space marines usually have about 20 wounds
>three hits knock him down to 0 wounds, another one or two after that kill him

>>50362295
>Varan wasn't a Chaos Space Marine.
Then >>50346903's analogy is even more bullshit.

>>50362728
I mean, sure, it was a weird irrelevant point. But that's no reason to be wrong in turn.

Actually, come to think of it, didn't Cain have a brief duel with a Khornate Berserker in an earlier book? I'm pretty sure he did. Although he wouldn't be old and retired at that point.

(Granted, Cain is repeatedly described as one of the best chainsword duellists in the Imperial Guard, is a head taller than most of his men, and is downright obsessive about constantly running chainsword drills for weeks whenever they make warp trips. But still.)

>>50353333
checked

>>50362769
I stopped reading Ciaphas Cain novels after Caves of Ice. They're all the exact same book, just substitute Chaos for Tau for Necrons for Genestealers.

So, since this is just a thinly veiled Berserk thread, when is the next chapter coming out?

>>50351793
Remember when texas and california were part of mexico?

Remember when there weren't so many germans and irish?

Remember when womens' dresses reached down to their ankles?

Remember when you had to wipe yourself with a sponge on a stick?

Remember when socrates said that the invention of writing makes people forgetful?

Remember when the right to vote was restricted to male white land-owners?

Remember when the first factories were called job-destroying menaces?

Anon remembers those golden days.

>>50363139
>Remember when socrates said that the invention of writing makes people forgetful?
Socrates was right

>>50363139
>Remember when the right to vote was restricted to male white land-owners?

What went wrong? We had it all figured out.

>>50363107
Supposedly early 2017. I've seen April get tossed around a lot; rumor is its to coincide with the new season of the anime.

>>50363139

>remember when we beat Mexico in a war and then paid them for land?

Fucking kill yourself.

>>50347643
>40s stats across the board
>+4 SB and TB

Please. A starting Arch-Militant with any level of optimization can destroy one of these fuckers in one round.

Personally, I house rule marines to be a lot stronger.

>>50363139
>Remember when the right to vote was restricted to male white land-owners?
I think you added "male" and "white" there by accident, bucko.

>>50363458
Actually he's right: while New Jersey and a few other areas allowed the rare non-white or non-male property owner to vote, when America was originally founded the vast majority of jurisdictions explicitly excluded such persons from the franchise regardless of property.

(As an incidental note, this was the reason the Electoral College was originally established: it counted the disenfranchised slaves of the southern states when determining the number of electoral votes allotted to a state, and thus protected the ability of slave owners to have influence over the government without requiring them to actually honor America's commitment to liberty.)

>>50363419
>Please. A starting Arch-Militant with any level of optimization can destroy one of these fuckers in one round.
What, because they shoot them with a meltagun? Gee, I wonder why. It's almost like shooting people with anti-tank weapons is fatal!

>>50364153
Well, there's also the fact that a Space Marine with a chainsword is helpless against an arch-militant with a power sword.

It seriously boggles the mind that the Imperium bothers with space marines when they could just make more power weapons, meltaguns and autocannons.

>>50363605
Interesting, although I'm not 100% sure I believe you.

>>50364691
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage#United_States


It's all here. People like to ignore this part of the history of US democracy (especially in elementary and high school, which often teach us a simplified, sanitized version of it), but the voting rights we often take for granted took a long and hard fight over the course of hundreds of years.

Same goes for other rights, such as workplace rights. Workers and activists fought (and died, often at the hands of police or private security) for many years working to accomplish basic-sounding protections like child labor laws, workplace safety, and the 8-hour workday. I strongly recommend reading up on the American labor movement, it's really fascinating stuff that informs a lot of what happens today.

>>50365285
My school at least went hard on the hosings and beatdowns of black people who wanted to vote. They also went pretty hard on everything that went wrong during the industrial revolution. I graduated with the strong impression that if the free market is run by sociopaths and if it was completely unregulated we'd all be abused slaves. There were chapters and lesson plans focused on just this stuff; saying they like to ignore it seems pretty false to me.

>>50363605
>As an incidental note, this was the reason the Electoral College was originally established: it counted the disenfranchised slaves of the southern states when determining the number of electoral votes allotted to a state, and thus protected the ability of slave owners to have influence over the government

Are you saying that the 1/3rd vote bullshit for blacks was literally because rich slaveowners bought more Africans just to do ballot-stuffing?

>>50365507
Sure, why not

>>50365507
Not quite ballot-stuffing, but to inflate those states' representation in congress, which is based on population.

The reason they weren't counted as full people was because the states' tax obligations were also based in part on population count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise