/btg/ Genral

>Genral
Ya blew it.

>>50330589
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU!
Critical Typo Hit

>>50330589
Design Challenge: Build the Genral. You have the unlimited funding of they Lyrans at your disposal.

Google actually has listings for a GENRAL.
So... Lineholder-type mech for an idea, or is the Lineholder enough already with troopers like the Wolverine and Thud?

>>50330637

Then it's obviously a 200-tonner with 4 GRs and a pair of H-PPCs.

>So German BT fans are super fucking cringey...

Not enough data to judge.

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'Cause I just had to after seeing these movies recently.

>>50330780

>German
>BT fans

Seems like a slam dunk to me.

>>50330946

Go watch the TV show, it has Xena in it too.

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Am I seeing right? Did somebody (pic related) use the APCs from the movie Aliens in this?

>>50331935
It's probably Spaceman Spiff, who uses all manner of things in his 10mm homebrew. It's all pretty neat.

>http://spaceman-spiff-studio.blogspot.com/
He posts all of his newer stuff on Facebook.

>>50331935
Looks like it.
And goddamn that is sexy paint on that MAD

>>50332005
I'm no painter, but that looks like it must have taken forever. Mad props to the fine detail on that thing.
What's the mech behind it that's barely in the picture?

>>50332063
I don't recognize it either.

>>50332063
It's a custom from one of the fan sculptors.

>>50332111
>>50332063

It's an old Front Mission gashapon.

>>50332125
That makes sense.

>>50332141
It's the Trading Arts series of them, 1, + or 2. Don't know the model specifically. It has been modified though. You can see he used the PPC off a DA Panther for the gun on the right arm.

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>>50332157
>Don't know the model specifically.
Looks to be the Grille Sechs.

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Do you support this man getting shot?

>>50332539
Not a First Lord.

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>>50332539
Hail the Emperor

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>>50332539
That man is an imposter!

He's not fashionable enough.

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>>50332746
Amaris only wishes he could be one-quarter as pimpin as this guy.

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Anyone play a good match this weekend? I know my weekend sucked.

>>50330569
Newbie here.
What are the mechs in the fore- and midground of the OP pic? I really like the dynamism.

>>50333562
Directly in front: Commando
Damaged piece on bottom right: looks like a Zeus
Background right: Catapult
.
This looks like kind of an homage to the opening to Mechwarrior 2.

>>50331458
Isn't it Pay TV?

I don;t want to pirate it but also don't want to pay for it.

>>50333240
I very much hope that screen cap isn't for real, and that it's just some form of bait I haven't seen yet. Because if it isn't, then I feel sorry for you on multiple levels.

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>>50333591
It should be noted that the Commando is based on the one from the fan made TRO 3063, so differs from normal Commandos.

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So /btg/ who's your favorite Liao?

Hard mode: choose one of the insane ones.

Here's mine.

>>50333856
>So /btg/ who's your favorite Liao?

The Centrellas.

>>50333856
>Hard mode
>Pick an insane one
That would be the easy mode, no? There's like four that aren't.

>>50333240
Jesus Christ man. I know this feel.

>>50333932
>Sun-Tzu
>Kai

Literally the most popular choices.

>>50333972
I mean I do like Sun-Tzu

>>50333688
I'm not the one who posted that pic, but I have seen it in You Cringe You Lose threads occasionally on /b/ for a long time.

>>50333728
Thanks!
I habeas a new favorite Commando.

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I've got some questions about the Nova Cats, if anyone can help.

First, are they officially dead or is it a grey area?

Is their totem animal a genetically engineered Terran species or an alien creature found in their homeworlds?

While living in the Irece prefecture did they own all those worlds or just enclaves on each?

When they defected to the SLDF why didn't their khans send messages to all their homeworld forces warning them about what they'd done and what might happen? Did they not anticipate any consequences or simply not care?

Is it a cultural imperative in their clan to simply do whatever the khan says without question because visions? Why wasn't there more overt resistance to defecting to the SLDF? I ask because the Wolves split on the Crusader/Warden thing so I'm surprised the Cats didn't.

What were their signature or most common 'mechs in the invasion era?

Cheers.

>>50334230
>First, are they officially dead or is it a grey area?
I believe that the Cats are officially dead. The Spirit Cats are dead as well. Not 100% on this so if someone can back me up that would be great.

>Is their totem animal a genetically engineered Terran species or an alien creature found in their homeworlds?
Native to Dagda.

>While living in the Irece prefecture did they own all those worlds or just enclaves on each?
I think a combination of the two though primarily the had enclaves. They had control of their enclaves and sphere of influence but they lived as a pseudo-protectorate under the DC.

>When they defected to the SLDF why didn't their khans send messages to all their homeworld forces warning them about what they'd done and what might happen? Did they not anticipate any consequences or simply not care?
Okay my bias shows through on this one, I think they didn't care at worst or lacked the resources to do something meaningful at best. The clan just had it's ass handed to them and were reeling from the change of their leadership. Also the Cats have never really been a rational clan so it wouldn't surprise me if they just thought "hey this makes sense let's do it fuck the consequences."

1/?

>>50334230
>Is it a cultural imperative in their clan to simply do whatever the khan says without question because visions? Why wasn't there more overt resistance to defecting to the SLDF? I ask because the Wolves split on the Crusader/Warden thing so I'm surprised the Cats didn't.
Basically the Cats probably had some internal strife but Clans tend to follow leadership cause he's the biggest therefore he's the boss. The Wolves split as a result of the Refusal War, so an event that would end the clan caused the splitting of the group. Before that they did trials and the Wardens won so the Wolves were wardens. All Clans have different political factions within them but they tow the party line until there is a change in leadership. I also think a lot of Cats believed that this was the right thing and the last time they ignored a major vision their clan got the shit kicked out of them.

>What were their signature or most common 'mechs in the invasion era?
Oh God I honestly forget and I'm no where near any books that would have that shit. My guess would probably be the Nova, Ice Ferret, or Mad Dog. Not sure on that one, hope I was helpful.

>>50334373
Spirit Cats are part of the Clan Protectorate, which is part of the FWL. There are some remnants unaccounted for of the Nova Cats that had remained in DC space and been part of the attempted coup.

>>50334373
The Spirit Cats are alive and well within the FWL as part of the Clan Protectorate. The act as a spooky scary FWL garrison force of clan warriors with the backing of Clan Sea Fox. The Protectorate is probably the NuFWLs best asset as it gives them access to a whole cluster of clan mechs, clan warriors, and the support of Clan Sea Fox

>>50334439
Shadow Cat and Huntsman were two signature CNC designs present in the Invasion era.

>>50334591
>>50334538
Thanks! Not up to snuff on my Dark Age lore. I thought they died fighting the Republic. So tell me about this Clan Protectorate and who is all in it?

>>50334627
I thought Shadow Cat was a new design in like 3055-58 like the Pouncer and Co. butI just checked and it's 3003, I'll be damned. Thanks anon.

Question for y'all are what are some interesting planets that saw combat during the FedCom Civil war? Preferable ones where the Lyran Guards and Donegal Guards were stationed.

>>50334727
The 4th Donegal were part of a taskforce Katherine sent to take New Syrtis from George Hasek. They got their asses kicked of course. You don't take a March capital with just three regiments at the highest apex of mech production since the Star League. But it was an interesting fight. The Warship fight between the Refitted Drac ship and the Hanse Davion for them to land on New Syrtis was pretty cool too.

I miss old Georgie before he went stupid. The sequence of events Katherine feared about him becoming First Prince if she lost the war would have been an interesting AU. Way better than Yvonne in any case.

>>50334130
The Skype thing kind of gives it away as well

>>50335079
>I miss old Georgie before he went stupid. The sequence of events Katherine feared about him becoming First Prince if she lost the war would have been an interesting AU
Hell, even him just remaining duke of the capellan march into the post-jihad years would have been interesting

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>>50333156

Son-of-a-bitch must pay!

>>50336433
Movie was great, but would have been better with battlemechs.

EVERY movie would be better with battlemechs.
EVERY movie.

>>50336654
>Gone with the Wind
Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn
>climbs on board his Shadow Hawk and stomps away
I can't see this process going wrong at all.

>Dumb and Dumber
Piloting Crusaders without CASE

>>50336699
Harry Potter: ExspellerSPLAT! (stepped on by Atlas)
Jaws: We need a bigger Dropship
Fury: American 'mechs are Griffins, German 'mechs are Masakaris
My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic: Aw fuck I saw that crap on Deviantart.

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>>50336654
>EVERY movie would be better with battlemechs.

What I'm gonna make is trouble ... for Alexander!

>>50331935
>>50331962
Goddamnit, now I want 15MM mechs.
Shimseen files where?

>>50333972
>Sun-Tzu "lemme rig my death so future Chancellors are literal god-kings" Liao
>not a nut

>>50334230
>First, are they officially dead or is it a grey area?
There's some survivors that are in the place where plot threads vanish. The Spirit Cats are alive and well in the FWL.

>>50337950
To be fair the old Liao tactic of "pls serve the state" wasn't working out too well. Cult of personality and deification worked wonders in terms of motivation. Even people with better lives on former Capellan planets wanted to come back to the fold.

>>50337950
Well technically, he's not dead. Been in cryo so long you can't wake him up without killing him, sure. But still breathing.

>tfw sarna doesn't say any of this because whoever wrote the article on Sunny Boy never read By Temptations And By War

>>50338654
>characters don't stay dead
>factions don't stay dead

this shit is getting to be like DBZ or something

I love Minobu Tetsuhara but I wouldn't want him around forever.

What's next, Victor coming back from the grave?

So, speaking of house liao, let's say that in another world, stealth armor is more expensive and xin sheng magic less potent, so it and it's associated mechs are only used by elite units, of which there are less. What sorts of mechs and design principles do you think would be used for the non-special line units in the 3060s-90s?

>>50338827
>What's next, Victor coming back from the grave?
There are still some royal families in the Sphere he hasn't mixed his DNA with yet.
Of course he's coming back.

>>50338827
Considering that's the book that mentioned and gave a date to Sun Tsu's alleged death in the first place, it's not a big deal. What I don't get is why nobody knows about it. It's like they got all their DA info from the CGL summary books that gloss over the 3130's and early 3140's bigtime since the novels already covered it.

>>50338827
>>50338902
At Victor's funeral, one of the characters comments that he just looks like he's resting, ready to leap into action again at any moment. Also that a bunch of his old enemies only showed up to make sure the man was really dead and gone.

>>50338827
>What's next, Victor coming back from the grave?
Nah, he'll just be cloned instead, so that Solid Victor continue his legacy by plowing every royal family he can

>>50338940
>At Victor's funeral, one of the characters comments that he just looks like he's resting, ready to leap into action again at any moment.
He probably had an erection

>>50338947
I would actually go for that. He can hang out with Liquid Marik and have clone buddy adventures

>>50337950
Statism is a hell of a drug, but it seems to work for them.

>>50338879
more and more advanced vindicators and vindicator accessories

>>50338879
Vindicators and cataphracts(probably a version without an XL because presumably cost is an actual issue here) by the truckload, for one thing. As designs go, in the 50s they seemed to develop a thing for mechs built around getting a single major gun into play, so further development along that vein seems likely. Maybe they'd mix that with TSM, so you'd have your troopers, your gun platforms and some vicious brawlers thrown into the mix

>>50339047
>He can hang out with Liquid Marik and have clone buddy adventures
There's a marik clone now?

>>50339195
Omni vindicator and cataphract instead of new mechs?

>>50339218
Not sure about a omni vindicator, but I like the idea of a omni cataphract. I don't thing we have any especially rugged heavy omnis so far

>>50339215
Fake Thomas?

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>>50339271
>Fake Thomas?

He's a really evil engine!

>>50339271
Not a clone, he's more like Punished 'Venom' Marik

>>50339271
Fake Thomas is just a dude who got surgery and DNA splicing. Just like Fake Hanse.

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2 angry 2 live
2 fast 2 die

>>50339391
Damn right trothkin

>>50339391
I understand they rationale behind this but they look so goddamn dumb
I can't help it

>>50339399
mahsibkin.jpg

>>50339419
>Freebirth detected

>>50339251
>I don't thing we have any especially rugged heavy omnis so far
Hell, are there ANY SFE IS omnies?

>>50339528
Not off the top of my head, but I'm not a huge omni fan.

>>50339528
The original strider, IIRC. Unfortunately it is also stuck with SHS and pretty light

>>50339528
Hauptmann

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What's your favorite Kurita 'Mech design or -K variant of a general design?

Need more Drac pics too.

Do you like the Battletech aesthetic?
Do you think the original designs mesh well enough with the licensed ones?
Would there be anything you wished was licensed back when it started?

>>50339712
>Do you like the Battletech aesthetic?
I think the variation in design suits the setting quite well, though I do wish we could go back and fix the art on some of them.
>Do you think the original designs mesh well enough with the licensed ones?
Eh. Again, the variation kinda makes it work. The Marauder I think is a bit too curvy and spindly in the original art, but it's not too bad.
>Would there be anything you wished was licensed back when it started?
I think the only other mechs that might have fit would be if they did VOTOMs as an ultralight sort of thing. Everything else from the era doesn't really fit the tech level.

>>50339712
>Do you like the Battletech aesthetic?
Mostly. Some of the 3058 eggmechs and a lot of the 3060&67 stuff is no bueno, though

>>50338947
You know what would be crazy? If Clan Wolf vat grew a "Trueborn" with his and his and Katrinas DNA... oh wait..

>>50339882
Not really a clone, more of an incest baby

Wasn't there some rumblings about the new Kurita boss man being a sisterfucker?
What was the source on that?

>>50339712
>Do you like the Battletech aesthetic?
Absolutely.
>Do you think the original designs mesh well enough with the licensed ones?
I think they were the perfect starter for the series.
>Would there be anything you wished was licensed back when it started?
I can think of three mechs from video games that might have worked. Thexder, Firehawk (Thexder 2) and the Gunner from Metal Storm. I think their designs would have made neat mediums.

>>50339391
That's the sad thing, all the batshit insane clans are dead.

>>50339712
I like Plog aesthetic. New artists (shimmy, fd and others) were a good introduction too

No

Nothing, the best BT designs were created for the game.

Anyone got a link to XTRO: Primitives Vol 5?

>>50339687
I've always liked their warhammers and shads, and the grand dragon is fun to drive

>>50339687
The Shiro is stupid amounts of fun

>>50339986

Star Adders still exist, mate. As do the Falcons and Wolves.

>>50339687
Always had a soft spot for the Hatamoto-Chi

>>50339899
I know, but I got to that part of Bonfire of Worlds and nearly chucked my Kindle into a wall. They just had to fucking work Victor "Shrimp Boy" Davion back into the story somehow didn't they. At least they finally killed his bitch of a sister.

>>50339982
>Gunner from Metal Storm

Isn't that the Zeus?

>>50340063
But they just have normal clan levels of nuts, not making major decisions about interstellar relations because you hallucinated some shit, or entire clan of preppers kinds of crazy.

>>50338879
Is Stealth Armor really any good? I've somehow never played against it.

And I see the Free Worlds and WoB got it in 3067. Did they make any good designs with it?

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>>50339687
>Kurita 'Mech
Daikyu. I love the piece of shit for what it is.

>Pics
Have one.

>>50340252
It's great for semi/full snipers. Warhammers work really well with it.

>>50340252
>Is Stealth Armor really any good? I've somehow never played against it.
It makes gausswalls even gausswall-er, fast annoying harassers more harassing and brawlers extremely hard to kill before they get into range
Yes, it's really goddamn good

>>50340324
Especially with Gauss because muh neutral heat weapons

>>50339995
second mediafire link in the OP

>>50340378
thanks famalam, missed it somehow

>>50339921
No, that's the new Liao bossman, and his youngest "sister" is actually his daughter

>>50340514
Huh.
As a capellan, I'm unsure how to feel about that. Fair enough I suppose.

>>50339921
The new Kurita boss man is a woman.

Yeah, the ultratraditionalist Black Dragons who had been plotting to take down old man peacock and his boy for ten years put a woman on the throne. Let that sink in for a moment, and then remember how the traditionalist Dracs hate women being in charge of anything other than purity, flowers and tea.

I still don't understand what happened there. I get the whole puppet of Warlord Benjamin thing but that doesn't mean shit to anyone but him and his inner circle.

>captcha Stewart Tamarindo
No captcha. I'm not talking about purple birds right now.

Is there anything I should be bringing ECM to counter if I'm going to be dealing with Clanners, or is it pointless?

Got some files for the MWO mechs and am getting more confident for complex prints. Anyways starting out with the Locust. What's a decent size for the thing for N-Scale? Looking at 10 meters, though I've heard a figure of 8 meters thrown about, so that'd put the mini at about 100 mm? Does that sound about right?

>>50340669
>No captcha. I'm not talking about purple birds right now.

Clearly, you should be.

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>>50340088
I don't think so. The mech comes in two version, the regular and the armored with the four fins or whatever those projections are coming out of its back. I just thought it would have been a neat trooper.

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>>50340731
Is this the same David White that does Battletech art?

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>>50340731
>sunken cockpit
>shoulder fins
>handheld gun
>big round shoulders
>projecting knee guards

>>50340753
Yeah. Too bad he charges a mint...

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>>50340669
At this rate I'm just going to root for the Black Dragon Society since they're apparently immortal and unstoppable.

What are some mechs that are known, in-universe, for being tougher than an old leather boot?

>>50340819
Ironically, they usually seem to consist of "Everyone powerful in the Combine except the Coordinator and his most trusted personal units." Seriously. In the DA, it was the 2 most competent Warlords (the 3rd being a rogue general instead of a Black Dragon), the head of the ISF, and pretty much all the Swords of Light.

The Black Dragons really are pretty much the whole Combine.

>>50340683
C3, at the very least.

>>50340835
Grasshopper.

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>>50340898
I know.

It's like "haha, those guys you purged? Actually loyalists. We Black Dragons are really in the positions of authority to do the purging and we're killing your dudes to put our dudes in positions of authority. lol now watch us hatch an incompetent overt scheme."

>>50340910
>Clanners
>using c3

wtf r u doin nigga

>>50340835
The Awesome is known for being nearly indestructible, and the thud has a reputation as one of the toughest heavies around

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What do you guys think of the WizKid original 'Mechs?

>>50341147
They were generally pretty damn bad, but plog did one hell of a job fixing them up for 3145

>>50341051
O I C
Read that wrong, RIP my credibility

>>50341225
Agree with this.

>>50341147
Mostly garbage, especially the redesigns. They all share that tonka truck aesthetic until the later sets. Surprisingly solid Project Phoenix showing though, minus the Mad IIC.

Not to bash all of them though. There was a definite range of good and bad. The totem stuff may have been complete shit, but things like the Madcat IV were done right.

They couldn't do scale to save their lives though. But I think part of that was intentional because of the blind box nature of the game. You could just weight them in your hand to find the biggest baddest mechs otherwise. People used to twist the boxes a bit too, to see if they could hear the dossier papers of a rare rubbing against the inside.

>>50341225
They started peppering them into proper battletech as far back as TRO:3075.

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Okay since someone >>50339712 here asked about some things they wished were licensed, what about the silly pink and yellow power armor from The Irresponsible Captain Tylor? Would anybody pilot these egg armors?
>Real men are not afraid of pink and yellow

>>50337950
Look at RL China, Mao was literally worshiped like one.

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Hey guys, remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk2J0SXR3Jw

>>50341584
>let's just buy our way to victory
>neither side has any idea what they're doing
why did anyone watch this goddamn thing

>>50341497
I keep forgetting that show exists

>Kodiak
>Grizzly
>Bear Cub
>Bruin
>Arcas
>Karhu
>Kuma
>Ursus

I get having a totem mech but how up their own butts must the Ghost Bears be?

>>50341788
They also get the Leviathan
never4get

>>50341497
These were nice little designs. The interior was pretty cramped as I recall, since the pilot had to scrunch up inside the main body and control it with sticks and levers right under the main viewport. They probably weren't meant to be taken too seriously as a design, but they fit the show at least.

>>50341876
Which is a whale-like myth creature not a bear-related at all.

I remember a few years ago when everyone was worked up about 3250 being a thing, there was a writeup posted about what that would look like. An outline of what was around, how the clans had integrated into the inner sphere, and a new advanced tech level that made things simpler. Does anyone else remember seeing this? Does anyone have a copy? I can't find it anymore on google.

>>50342398
You must be thinking of the April Fool's special (with the obvious problems of what's real and what's fake), because there's been nothing else even close to providing that level of detail.

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>>50341643
>I keep forgetting that show exists

Every time I hear "Just Think of Tomorrow" by Mari Sasaki (the second verse was the show's theme song), it helps me remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmKYKnStvk

If we were to get a new novel set in a place and/or era that hasn't had one before, what would you choose?

>>50342836
A trilogy about Thomas Marik/Fake Thomas set during the 3030s, covering his first return, attempted assassination, and assumption and consolidation of power.

>>50342836
I'd get the ghost of Louis L'amour to write something about a colonial marshal chasing pirates in the outer TC, in 58-59

>>50340937
See, you say that but I got 3 Through Armor Criticals right out of the gate this weekend on my 'hopper which took out my LL, my LRM, and blew my ammo.

>>50344008
>Almost a full company...
Why does my OCD kick up right about now? All we need is one more Urbie.
Nice pic though.

>>50342088
I wonder what their weapons would translate into in Battlemech. It could in a silly way be an off-shoot of Ost- style mechs.

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>>50341497
How would this stat as an aerospace fighter?

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>>50341497
Or the girls' fighters?

>>50342836
I don't know what all places have already had novels. Era is easy- the third book should take us over the cusp into the ilClan or the TOG or whatever the next sandbox of wars are.

>>50344497
Almost looks like a Transit or Transgressor.

>>50344468
Could be the POV, looking back at the rest of the company.

>>50342836
Alexander Carlisle's survival of Tharkad

>Captcha: select all pies
Pizza and an omelette are not pies.

>>50344593
A long time ago pizza could be at times called a, "Pizza Pie." Weird, I know.
>>50344497
That does look like it would fit among the original 15 fighters from the original 3025 tech manual.

>>50344422
Nothing you can do about TACs.
Doesn't mean they're not zombies.

>>50344739
True that, just wanted to remind people that we all play at the mercy of the dice gods.

>>50339251
>>50339218
>omni vindicator

They are producing the Firestarter Omni, which is basically just that.

>>50345164
Wasn't that in St.Ives? Without Xon Shong magic at full power, they probably wouldn't have taken it

>>50345225
Ceres was making them on Capella.

>>50344626
>A long time ago pizza could be at times called a, "Pizza Pie." Weird, I know.
Sure, sure... but not one that looked like THAT.

>>50345293
Ah, OK. I was probably getting it mixed bp with the blackjack

>>50344593
I think it was a quiche, daddy.

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>>50332539
>Donates 1 Star League Dollar

>>50339687
I've always been partial to the Shad-2K (a sawed-off Griffin that does not overheat), the Wolverine-6K (non-jumpy but more shooty and well armoured), the Warhammer-6K (but of the introtech Hammers I shamefurry love the Davionista variant the most) and the Catapult-K2.

>>50342836
Early 3000's periphery, or the explorer corp or IE out in the deep periphery at any time chasing mysteries, ghosts, and half truths.

>>50344422
It's not our fault you didn't dump the ammo, that's like Grasshopper piloting 101

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>>50344497
Literally a Lucifer. It's super obvious if you own the mini. The TRO art being the underside angle is less so.

>>50346778
I don't have my books at the moment, but wasn't the Lucifer the one with no ejection seat?

>>50346914
Yes.

>>50346026
Could have also been a frittata, which is infinitely more fun to say.

>>50346914
Yep, just like the Spider. Are you feeling samurai banzai enough yet?

>>50346973
>>50346977

Hanse H. Davion, I wonder if the Lucifers and Spiders are issued to the regimental problem cases. Brings to mind that story about a Japanese bomber crew that was shot down, taken as POWs, then liberated by the Japanese and issued a new bomber, with the orders "Do not come back".

I also question the sanity of whoever decided that Catapult's sideways-ejecting seat was a good idea. If memory serves, the old TRO actually described the system to the tune of "may cause injuries to the pilot".

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>>50346778
Question: didn't the original 3025 technical readout come about in 1985-6, somewhere around there? Tylor was1993. Do you think the Tylor team copied Battletech?

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So, on a scale of Romanes eunt domus to Marian/10, what do you rate this?

>>50347506
With all the rocket launchers and how they are positioned in that thing, especially the ones in the CT and head, I shudder to think what the graphic would look like for it.

>>50347409
Could be. They all knew each other. Remember VMI who did the 3055 unseen had some of the original Macross artists in it and the same for the old Solaris/Japtech release in the mid-80's.

>>50347628
Head would probably be a rocket box strapped to the side like an old Shadowhawk. It would look pretty cool that way I think.

Oh BOY are you fucking robot jockey niggers ready for the biggest CON of the year? Mech CON is on the 3rd of December, hosted by the PIG!

>>50348027
I only care because Xotl is bringing me Randall's codex after he wins the Line Dev Trial of Possession. Or an acknowledgment of us signed in a book. The message was garbled. Otherwise, PGI a shit.

>>50348027
Will it be streamed?

>>50348257
Yes. Well, at least SOME part of it will.

Live for all the world to see, the biggest conning of old men.

>>50348140
>PGI a shit

You speak the truth.

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>>50346026
>>50346973
Eggcelent, my eggucation continues.

Speaking of Xotl, anyone have that list I've heard he did of DCMS regiments that disappeared?

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Is this a good 3050 factory refit to make a Warhammer even more of a trooper? I want to know in case I set up an AU where these are a good mass produced front line model.

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>>50348976
It's really, really oversinked. Sure you have enough HS to fire everything, but the odds of firing the PPCs along with everything else is unlikely. You might want something similar to this, which doesn't use an expensive Endo-Steel skeleton, has GECM for utility, and ER PPCs.

>>50348976
Yeah, that's about as basic as you can get in terms of basic "Better Warhammer". Given the base capabilities are essentially the same but with better cooling I'm not sure I'd say its "more of a trooper", but given said cooling I'd say there's no reason to retain the MGs instead of flamers or SPLs from a usefulness standpoint.

Though if AUing it I'd personally just have the royal Whammy 7A go back into production.

Thank you both.
>>50349091
I take it that it's easier to install FF than the Endo Steel internal structure?
>>50349098
I see. Yeah I could see better flaming the little infantry pests that clog my games.
Thanks guys.

>>50348878
That was a garbled recall of my bitching on the DCMS situation several threads back. I don't actually have a list: the issue is that, other than the ones listed in TR3050, many of the disappeared are "phantom" regiments. In other words, the DCMS regiment total yo-yos all over the place, but where all the mechs go I can't figure out (probably because the original writers didn't either). Here's what I have written in my intro for the next version of my RATs:

"Part of the problem is that we have no firm force totals for the exact year of 3057, since the Field Manuals give staggered force overviews from 3059 into the early 3060s. The other issue is that the writers of this time remembered to detail those regiments destroyed in the Clan Invasion, but often failed to account for new manufacturing. For example, the DCMS had 98 regiments in 3050 and 76 regiments in 3059, as stated in Field Manual DCMS, which gives us an impressive but plausible Clan Invasion loss total of at least 22 regiments. However, the same Field Manual also reports monumental Kuritan manufacturing, producing eight regiments of new omnimechs alone by that date (not to mention all the other mechs being made, such as Dragons and the like which traditionally enjoyed high production). If Kurita made at least eight regiments of new machines that we know of (and there must have been more), then how few regiments did it have at its lowest point, and where did all those machines go (since we know the Clan Invasion itself didn’t destroy 22+8 regiments)? We can speculate about retiring or recycling old machines, moving things off to the mercenary market and the like, all combined with the usual raids and wear and tear, but it doesn’t really come out right. I did the best I could to be consistent, if nothing else."

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>>50349155
>I take it that it's easier to install FF than the Endo Steel internal structure?
Correct. Pic related shows the levels of Refits. Both yours and mine are still Factory level, but that's because of the decision to make CASE a factory refit. If you wanted to roll down CASE to a D level Refit (like a sane person), then mine can be done in a maintenance bay.

>>50349168
I'm actually awake now, not just leaving IRC running. DIALOGUE WITH ME.

>>50348976
Swap for ER PPCs
probably reduce the heatsinks a bit too, that's a LOT

>>50349210
O CampaignAnon, I request wisdom.
I have one person who's for sure interested in a campaign and one who is really into megamek and was super into our recent DND game.
Is there any advice you can give me for hooking them into a potential ATOW campaign when they don't know too much about the fluff?

>>50349155
>I take it that it's easier to install FF than the Endo Steel internal structure?
Yes, armor is a Class C maintenance level refit, structure is class F factory level.

And rules aside, logically speaking changing armor is basically replacing the skin of a mech, changing structure is replacing its bones. The former is pretty much doable without messign with anything else, while the latter would basically require you to disassemble and reassemble the entire mech.

Also of note if considering the idea of FF, the older royal WHM-6Rb is already very similar to your idea, being the classic Whammy guns with 17 DHS, but it uses FF armor for a more modest increase of armor and instead of CASE mounts Art IV.

>>50349210
>>50349255
>>50349305
Thanks guys, I really appreciate it. I see what you're all saying.

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>>50349305
Reminded me of this for some reason

>>50349290
A lot of it depends on how much they like giant stompy robots, and how much you want to cut away from the setting to start. I like to give players who have basically no idea what BT is about the Robot Jox treatment. Everyone's washed up on Solaris, and they've arrived during a time when there's a big recruiting drive for the lower tier stables.

You can expose your players to the factions through the stables and House stereotypes and you ease your players into playing the game by going a bit meta and having them use Mech Simulators to have them get the hang of piloting a mech for a slot in the stable. There's also room for people who aren't as interested in piloting on their own to take up Party Face positions as the group's agent, technicians for the group's mechs and so on.

The best thing about Solaris is that you don't have to worry about transit woes, dropships, or supplies in an AccountanTech way until your players want it.

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Battle armor and My Own Creation question:
Is it possible using battle armor creation to make something like pic related? Sixteen individual missiles and a hand weapon capable of damaging armor.
Since the Alpha / Legios did end up in Spider and the Wolf, and there has been some really neat fan made machines like that guy with the hand made drawings of Patlabor's Alphonse among others, is it possible to make a jumpy battle armor like this?

>>50351379
I've actually thought about this before, and the answer is probably not. Fitting sixteen missiles into a suit of BA is pretty much impossible, and for asinine reasons IS tech is still unable to build a suit with both missiles and jumpjets anyway

>>50351453

The IS can build suits with JJs and missiles, the Longinus being a prime example.

They just can't jump if you put the launcher in the torso, at least until you drop the missile pack. If you put the missile launcher in one of the arms it can jump around just fine no matter what.

>>50349168
There was something similar with the FWL. Their FM set in 3059 (I think) mentioned that with their new wealth and industrial power they were going to be building two mech regiments a year. Come FM:U in 3067 they've barely built any.

>>50351746

Ultimately my excuse is going to be that while numerous *mechs* were destroyed, only the known number of actual *regimental units* were lost. So, the Combine may have had numerous other regiments trashed down to a company or so, but they still existed on paper, and would eventually absorb all this new production to recover. That explains where the many regiments of new-built mechs go.

>>50351379
I'd model it as a medium BA that devotes most of it's weight to armor and jumpjets, and call the missiles infantry-scale weapons, carry a handheld plasma rifle or 3026 support PPC

Do Marik-built 'Mechs appear on RATs for the FedCom states and Draconis Combine during the 3050s and 3060s?

>>50351905
They should. Canon is unequivocal that the League provides numerous machines in large numbers to those states, though this would take a while to get going, of course, and the League is always going to take care of itself first.

>>50352020
Have they retconned the novels stating that the Houses were getting Refit kits and upgrades as early as 3051? Or is that separate from the mechs they were building?

>>50351905

Yeah, there are a few -M machines on them.

>>50352020
Another marik question, this one about refit kits.
In pretty much every last 3050s source, it was said that marik-built upgrade kits were being shipped en masse to the DC, fedcom and to a lesser extent CC and minor powers. So I guess I'm wondering if this will be represented on the RATs?

>>50352110
Well, the exact wording really matters here. A "Marik-built kit" could be a model -M Marik refit, OR it could be the kits of those countries but built in Marik factories (a good way of minimizing supply chain nightmares for the countries receiving them, even if such concerns are usually not the biggest issue in BT).

>>50352087
I don't think that's ever happened explicitly. That having been said, it pretty much has to be, as the novels don't at all mesh up with the books of the last ten years in that regard.

>>50352249
The War of 3039 Historical was a mistake. Admittedly, the novels have never been followed super closely, but that book alone gutted most of the Blood Kerensky tech timeline.

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>>50351379
You can almost build this one these days.

>>50352298
I agree. I'd rewrite it, if I could. The reasonings why they just suddenly accelerated the recovery so much have never been outlined, to my knowledge. Sadly, it occurred before my time, so I have none of the early docs, author notes, and review stuff that would give me insight.

>>50352249
>Well, the exact wording really matters here. A "Marik-built kit" could be a model -M Marik refit, OR it could be the kits of those countries but built in Marik factories
The incredibly annoying thing is that fluff never made a statement either way on that stuff.
I would lean towards -M kits being what was exported, though, because I believe there's fluff that the FWLM was being reequipped with the same kits that were being exported and presumably-S/D/FC/K models would be showing up on FWL RATs if that was what they were turning out

>>50352365

The Dracs pretty much had to be using refit kits for stuff like DHS since their ability to manufacture them was basically nill. Domestic production was more or less reserved for ASFs and Grand Dragons until the mid to late 3050s.

I'd lay at least 90% odds on anything the Dracs didn't have their own factory for getting field upgrade kits from the FWLM for their upgrades.

>>50352365
>I would lean towards -M kits being what was exported
Utterly impossible, at least for the WHM-7M. The only factory in TRO:3050 producing them for the FWLM makes FIVE a year. Presumably the same for that factory's production of the MAD-5M.

>>50352428
Well since we can't be sure of the veracity of the BoK novels any more, I hesitate to use it as a primary source, but Theodore states in Blood Legacy that he had ordered "a number of factories to turn out field modification packages. As we repair and refit, we can use new components to rebuild our 'Mechs." So I guess that also answers this >>50349168 too. Maybe.

>>50352516
I kinda assumed that the factories turning out refit kits were not the same ones building full mechs.

>>50351453
>>50351890
>>50352301
I appreciate it. I wondered for a while if it was possible to play around and make a MOSPEADA mod of Battletech battle armor and protomechs. I think it's possible to make somewhat passable invid lesser machines, but I wanted to see if it was possible to have a battle armor be a missile demon against smaller machines.
I like the Grenadier, but it's not the most dazzling thing.

>>50352516
>we can't be sure of the veracity of the BoK novels any more

At this point, I'm in favour of just thinking about the novels as novelisations of in-universe TV shows or films. Clovis Holstein's infodump on pulse lasers could be that thing they do on police procedurals, where the CSIs explain shit every SOCO or lab tech would know in short words because the audience wouldn't probably know what they're talking about.

After all, this is the novel series where they have shot titanium shells out of gauss rifles.

This would make the stackpoling fusion engines being the result of the film being directed by Space Michael Bay.

>>50352767
Honestly, you're just run into the same trap as hundreds of other "I want to model X in battletech" guys, which is the unique way that battletech does missiles

>>50352863
There may be stupid stuff in the novels, but honestly I'd still rather just dump Historical 3039, Sword and Dragon, and TRO:3039 into the same bin as TRO:3025R and Periphery 1st edition canon-wise.

>>50353014
So only canon where they don't contradict anything else? I could live with that. You'd have to throw THAT CHART from MS II in there as well, but that's easy

>>50353014
It makes the crazy lopsided victories of the Clans more believable if the tech disparity is still enormous, rather than Star League machines everywhere in Inner Sphere ranks.

>>50353084
Fund it. That and an entirely redrawn 3025 with the Shimseen added, then modern readers can get that sense of awesome from cracking that book open.

>>50353106
Oh man, a shimseen 3025 would be aces.
Hell, I'd even settle for a reprint of 3039 with the shimseen art and no project phoenis shit

>>50353106
>an entirely redrawn 3025 with the Shimseen added

I'm not gonna tell a lie, I would buy a paper version of an all-Shimmyseen 3025 in a heartbeat. Fuck, I would buy TWO. Especially if it had that classic double Marauder cover in the new art style.

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Post your favorite variant of the Panther.

Official or fanmade is fine.

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>>50353485

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>>50353485

This came up a few threads ago and I love it. What if the Smoke Jags made a Panther IIC?

>>50353503
>r-e lasers
They any good?

>>50353626
I might have asked it then too. I really like using Panthers. Not even a Drac though.

Idea: make a Panther variant catering to each of the other Successor States. Might be hard to put an LGR on the Marik one.

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>>50354164
Previously? No. Now? Marginally better than standard lasers against specialty armors, though the -1 Pulse bonus they got means they can't use TarComps. Others can cover the shitstorm involving them better.

>>50354182
Shallow bin, but hey, I already had it.

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>>50354217
Also, because I was looking for that, I remembered this Uller config.

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>>50353503
>no missiles
R-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50353626
Oh sweet baby jesus. Dat ammo tho.

>>50354217
>another missile-less version
Dammit CA, is nothing sacred to you? Besides the Perseus.

Personal favorite Panther I've made is pic related. Why LPPCs? Because the Periphery gets them and I like them. I think it's stupid you can't mount VGLs in the head though. I recall wanting to make a Light 'Mech with a Small Cockpit one time and twin head-mounted VGLs, but was disappointed that I couldn't do it.

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>>50354437
>No missiles
Well the Gray Panther does have missiles, just not on that variant I made to annoy Muninn... or any of the later ones that instead slot an MVSPL in its place. The 10M Panther just doesn't have the tonnage, and RLs and OS are shit when you have only one ton of LGR ammo. My normal Panthers run a standard 5/8/4 route, with an ER PPC and an SRM4, because TRADITION, but I made pic related a couple nights ago in the interest of terrifying my players.

>Dammit CA, is nothing sacred to you?
Mackies and Mackie accessories. Along with 70 ton Quads with and without turrets, Head Turret mechs, LRM-15s, ECM, refitting mechs and not the Perseus. Unless I can make a mixtech SH version.

>>50354577
>not a SLRM10
One. Job.

Though I do like this one the best of the ones you've posted so far. LGR one is close though; it's just so silly I can't hate it.

>>50352516

Well, specifically for the Drac/DHS issue we have fluff saying they had a shit of a time building them all over the place, production going to their ASFs over their 'Mechs, and the chart in the back of MercSups II saying they were the last of the major factions to be able to field them in significant numbers.

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>>50354608
Have a salvaged Panther 10K turned into an abomination of a Flashbulb for a Solaris game. NO MISSILES REEEEEEE.

>>50354670
Yeah I know, but I hate that idea. Especially with the tech timeline pushed back to the 3030s. Unless they only used the corrosive Freezers from the Fourth War, and even then, that's asinine.

>>50354730

>Yeah I know, but I hate that idea.

I'm a Drac player and I've hated it forever. It seemed like a very deliberate middle finger to the faction in terms of getting anything decent; fighting the FedCom on the borders is hard enough with SHS Panthers and Hatamoto-Chis, you can forget about the Clans completely.

3039 and the Clan Invasion could still be salvaged but requires more effort than it's probably worth.

>>50354730
That's not a Panther; it's a Wolfhound wearing a disguise.

>>50354774
I like the idea that the entire IS was on an even footing fighting the Clans, then the FedCom and DC bulked up hard during the latter part of 3050 and all of 3051. Pushing that tech back to the 3030s makes a lot of why the Clans were terrifying... not.

>>50354784
That was the point, actually. How did you guess? The PCs had to have a light mech entry for a bout, couldn't find a Wolfhound after saying they totally had one, isn't it awesome? They tried to Greenburg's Godzillas it, but alas, right about the time it got to the arena the jig was up.

>>50354437
>Oh sweet baby jesus. Dat ammo tho.

What's wrong with the ammo? 10 rounds for a UAC/20 on a unit that size is pretty damn good.

>>50354835
I mean technically the FWL would bulk up too via those tech exchanges and the absolute necessity of upgrading their factories to produce mechs and other war material.

The technological stepchild should be the Confederation, yet somehow they leap forward.

>>50356330
>The technological stepchild should be the Confederation, yet somehow they leap forward.
Yeah, really. Their industry was in literally periphery-tier shape after the fourth succession war, and their military was canopian-tier for competence, and things were actually getting worse by 3050, and somehow in barely more than a decade they're probably the #2 power in the inner sphere

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>>50344468
>Almost a full company...
>Why does my OCD kick up right about now? All we need is one more Urbie.

There was supposed to be a fourth Urbanmech, but I ran out of room.

>Nice pic though.

Thanks. It was an illustration for a story about the Stalking Rhinos in BattleTechnology: the Lost Issues

>>50344593
>Could be the POV, looking back at the rest of the company.

The Stalking Rhinos send a lance of heavy mechs (Warhammer, Orion, Catapult, and a Thunderbolt) against a city defended by a company of light mechs (and a Vindicator), and the enemy mechs come out of the city to engage them at close range. The Rhinos get off a few volleys of LRM's before the light mechs get close enough to shoot back.

>>50341147
Shitty looks most of the time, actual drawn art instead of terrible mid 2000s 3d rendering helped. and what >>50341225 and >>50341257 said. They got good variants/stats
once in the table top.

>>50356510
In 3057, they couldn't even take worlds from the Fedcom where the locals had thrown out the enemy forces. In 3060, they still need help just to conquer the St. Ives Compact. In the Jihad, the Duchy of New Syrtis almost defeated them by itself. It was until post-Jihad that they became a real power.

>>50357171

Actually, in 3057 they were taking former FedCom worlds.

Worlds that by all rights should have been defended by full RCTs with additional RCTs in close range for reinforcements.

And from there it's always upwards.

Basically everything from 3053 is Just As Planned for the CapCon. The only loss they've had since (and it wasn't really a major one) was the Victoria War.

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What did ComStar mean by this?

>>50357282
Obviously they were on meth.

The bombast + TSM was pretty clever, though.

>>50357282
Look like it fit in with the rest Celestial series.

>>50357225
>Basically everything from 3053 is Just As Planned for the CapCon

>hey victor, I can hold onto tikonov for you
>lol sure

So, back to mechs.
I was giving my old copy of TRO 3055 a read, and I noticed something in the bandersnatch entry that I think would make for a good design challenge; it's design is said to have been inspired by the most popular refits that mercenaries were requesting, so I thought, how about a design challenge, for early 50s merc custom shop mechs

>>50357565
When I saw that thing in the TRO, I was disappointed that they killed my favored dark age army of choice before it began.

Celestials looked boss as hell, but the lore bans me from using them in anything after the Jihad, and from pretty much anything that isn't Word of Blake.

I was all like YES COMSTAR but now it's RotS. Immediately lost interest.

We need to somehow bundle WoB survivors and society survivors together, and start pooting out some nice looking mechs for them.

>>50344468
You're telling me. Did you notice the Vindicator?

>>50353485
It's gotta be a draw between the 14S and the 16K
14S because a snub-nosed PPC is a fantastic tool for brawling, and the 6 IJJ help it get around at a decent pace. +3 is better than nothing, especially if you can hug the upper end of it's short range bracket.

The 10K2 is also nice. It's what the 10K should have been. The 16K is the natural progression of that.

The Dark Age Panther is good for brawling, too, but 10 plasma shots is a bit slim for something meant to move around with IJJ. Having those SRMs though make it a great tank hunter. Pummel with SRMs until immobilised, and then hammer away with the plasma rifle using aimed shots.

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>>50359405

I don't think this is going to be as exciting as you hoped, because slapping an LBX and a bunch of Medium Lasers onto things is an effective but not overly diverse design style.

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Was thinking "What if the Charger 1A1 was refitted for the Dark Age, but kept the same overall concept as the original"

Also kept the same chassis.

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>>50359405
A Banshee modification any 'Merc stuck in a base model would appreciate. Could be pretty easily done in down time with the proper facilities.

For 3050 refits, I like working with the base 3025 chassis and seeing what I can do with FF, CASE, DHS, and weapons (shit that should be able to be done in the field/en route in the dropship, if it weren't for that damn CASE rule). Usually you can manage something cheap and effective, if not still outclassed by the full factory refits.

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>>50359405
Well shit, DHS, CASE, LBX-10s, 3050 merc refits. This is exactly my thing
So have 5-6 stone basic refits of common mechs

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>>50359405
>>50360373
And a few more

>>50360380
Also that shad should have DHS, but I goofed and haven't bothered to fix the image

>>50360380
>10ML+ERLL discoback
[terror]

>>50360303

Banshee has enough mass saved on a SHS to DHS swap to go to an LB-10X, ER PPC, two MLs, one SL and CASE with 14.5 tons of Ferro armour.

You drop a half-ton of armour there but still wind up 19 points ahead of the 3025 version.

I was going to do it that way myself but I went with the dual LB-X/ER PPC variant of the 3S instead.

>>50360245
>pdf

reeeee

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Finally got around to watching the Hyper RPG Battletech campaigns.

After getting over the fact that someone trying to make a battletech game went right into homebrewing shit, I started looking at the group.

>GM who is way the fuck better at ad-libbing than I am.
>Guy who seems like he'd be cool in real life but has no fucking idea what he's doing in the game.
>Cute but so LOLRANDUMB girl that you can't help but cringe every time she opens her mouth
>The player who doesn't really seem to know or care what's going on for roleplaying, just wants to hurry the fuck back into combat, and gets beaten to within an inch of life every time
>The players who actually seem to give a shit about the game, but are constantly irritable because they're surrounded by the rest of the morons.

This is pretty accurate to most gaming groups I've seen, but as hype as I am about HBS Battletech, just watching these players makes me worry about the quality of the end product.

>>50362016

It gets better, honestly. Yeah, there's a lot of schlock, but the characters who live to see the end of the season are a lot better than when they started. It basically goes from a group that's never really played BT or roleplayed well to being actually okay at BT and RPing. Bear in mind, DFA was the first show that HyperRPG/HBS put out, so it was a learning experience for them too.

>>50362016
The ones who know what they're doing are the ones responsible for quality of the end product. The others get better as the episodes go on.

>went right into homebrewing shit
Well, better a system the GM is familiar with and the players can all grok quick, than the 400 page monster of ATOW or hacking one of the earlier editions.

>>50362950
>Yeah, there's a lot of schlock
Sounds rather BT appropriate to me!

>>50361257
I honestly can't tell if you're just implying I "did it wrong" or what, but yeah, I considered an ERPPC. I ended up preferring the heat neutrality of the ERLLas version better, so I went with that.

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>>50360245
A rediculously expensive assault class scout mech with a massive engine? Sure why not.

In my headcannon Lyrans embraced the superheavy 'mechs and now only use baby 80-tonners for scouting.

>>50363997
After they rebelled against Adam "Information is Ammunition" and became House Hogarth I assume?

Is there something like the Stalker loadout-wise but with hands for punching?

>>50365412
the Crusader if you don't mind losing the two LLas. there's that Archer variant that has two LLas and shrinks the LRM racks but i don't think it has SRMs.

what era are you looking for?

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>>50365412
>Is there something like the Stalker loadout-wise but with hands for punching?

Somebody suggested pic related, but like >>50365477's suggestion, it lacks the large lasers. To keep it closer to the movie version, I put some missiles in the arms.

Also, the wrist saw has been replaced by a fusion arc torch.

>>50365477
nothing in particular, I was skimming sarna for some cool assault outside of my comfort zone and that question came to mind
However I found some cool shit like the Pillager, Marauder II, and the Nightstar (I still think that King Crab with gauss is better)

>>50365412
>>50365477
>>50365691
A thunderbolt is sort of half a Stalker, you've got LRMs, a Large Laser, and a cluster of Medium Lasers, and they are hella good at handing out the close combat beatdown.

>>50363997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB7b-itmxkQ

>>50366159
So Disco. I can see somebody playing this on external speakers during a battle.

>>50362950
>>50363418
Come for the Lord Commander stay for half way through the season when they've actually gotten good.

>>50366193
I whip that out every time someone says my team has a stupid fight song.

>>50365477
>>50366141
>ask for a better assault
>gets suggested heavies
While I agree the Thud and Archer are super solid designs, are trying to make an Albatross: solid heavy meme?

>>50366220
Would not be out of place in a BattleTech TV show.

Making a force built from things found in a forgotten Blakist bunker.

What do guys think of the Legacy, Initiate, Buccaneer and Titan II?

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>>50366301
I just couldn't think of a 'Mech with hands that has LRMs, SRMs, Medium Lasers, and Large Lasers off the top of my head in the Assault class that'd play the bracket game like the Stalker is all. Maybe it's something someone should make? There aren't many niches in the Introtech lineup left, but that's one of them. Ultimately it comes off as a fat Crud or discount Atlas, but that's fine, I think.

>>50366923
Sounds fine, anon. A Titan II seems a bit much; I'd have the lance have two Initiates as a base, since they were super-common, and then build from there. I mean I don't think the Titan II is out of place per se, but I have a hard time believing the Wobblies would leave one lying around. If it were me trying to be "realistic" I'd choose either the Legacy OR the Titan II, but not both.

>>50367311
Thanks. I will go with the Titan II and I included it because I was recently gifted a mini of it.

What about the Gurkha, Lightray and Toyama? How would you rate them?

>>50367821
Lightray is just a Wraith with no electronics and a TComp instead of a jump capacity. If you want a really nasty harasser, it's a good choice.

Gurkha is alright, but I always thought the sword was a waste on something that small.

Toyama is a bit heavy with what you already have, assuming you're going Titan II, Initiate, and Initiate/Buccaneer already.

Of the three, I'd choose the Lightray myself. You need the speed.

>>50366923
I rate it Blake/10.

I've been wanting to pair two Grim Reapers with two Toyamas for an eggshell lance, myself.

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>>50368591
Take this BV cheap Grim Reaper, and bring Blake's Light to the unbeliever.

So how are drone mechs in dark ages? Been looking into playing Fortress Republic.

>>50368928
Literally "useless if the other guy has ECM " tier because none mount anything for ECCM.

>>50368928
Drones are... iffy. I've never had good luck with them, but I already play on an EM heavy battlefield anyway. The Republic's catalog of Drones are the Celerity, your scout that is going to shut down because my players have an entire company armed with GECM or Angel, unless you take the AECM version. The Revenant, a sort of Drone Jenner, and it's relatively cheap BV wise, though no ECCM means they die in droves. And finally, the Lich. Clan ERLLs and... LGRs. Luckily, it has AECM, and is a relatively cheap 1719 BV, but will get focused because it's marginally threatening. TL;DR: Remove Drone, use regular mechs.

>>50369084
Well the Celerity B and the Lich have it, but yeah, overall no ECCM. And Drones shut down if they even look at ECM.

A question for the assembled gentlemen:
Are there any other FASA RPGs and systems you play?
For me I dabbled in Renegade Legion (mostly because of the old DOS computer game) and did the Shadowrun old Genesis / SNES games. Also the Star Trek RPG was big in my time before they stopped producing products for that line.

>>50369347
FASA's Star Trek (I post occasionally in /stg/, mainly about how the Feddies mothballed their Klingon Killer fleet and reactivated it to fight the Borg/Dominion), Renegade Legion some, Earth Dawn a little, and then I have a deep abiding distaste for Shadowrun and its core concept. Magic *or* Cyborgs. Not both.

>>50368601
>MMLs
I approve. The Grim Reaper was always a fairly solid machine. I always forget about the 3055 stuff though; I dunno why.

>>50368928
What's the draw of the Republic?

Hate to beat it to death, but it's a nation built around the cult of personality for an uninteresting guy and not even Terran Hegemony 2.0

Hail McKenna

>>50369428
>I always forget about the 3055 stuff though; I dunno why.
3055 has always kinda been the forgotten TRO, probably because it came right before the magic of 3058. I really don't see anyone mention any of the machines from it here besides the bandersnatch and occasionally the penetrator

>>50369522
Mostly because of the drone mechs. I just like the idea of being a lone knight tasked with defending a far flung world from whoever wants to take it.

>>50369540
What? 3055 has great mechs. The Heavies are really nice, if a bit thin on armor overall. The Wraith, holy grail of speedy jumpshitters is in there, along with the memetastic Hollander and Albatross.

>>50369540
There are a ton of good designs though, which is what makes me sad about that. The LOOKs aren't very good overall, but there are several gems. But yeah, 3058's munchfest really overshadowed the whole thing, and the introduction of all those "lost" designs was way more hype than "oh shit we need a trooper to fill our forces out" or "shit we got hit hard time for cheap militia 'Mechs to replace all the losses so we can move other machines up". It's fine though; 3055 just became the "hipster" TRO, even moreso than 3025 or 3039. 2750 doesn't count; that's the OG TRO.

>>50369595
>3025 not the OG TRO
Anon, are you okay? I think you've got a bad case of crab brain.

>>50369584
I didn't say the designs were BAD, I was just saying they don't get talked about much

>>50369731
even though it came out later than 3025 irl it was the star league tro therefore its "og" in that sense.

>>50369891
No. It was the Comstar "Dead Star League Shit You'll Find in the Grey Death Memory Core" TRO and published by Comstar in the 3030's.

>>50369932
Correction, published *3048

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The Goose is loose.

>>50369948
Why does the right torso have case? Gauss ammo doesn't explode.

>>50369961
Prevents the Gauss explosion from taking out the CT, which has happened to me before. And I had a half ton left that I didn't want to add a pointless SL for, since it's a bit early for production level Angel.

>>50369932
>>50369940
literally does not invalidate what i said in any way

>>50370182
It sure does because an actual Star League TRO would be the most common machines of the Star League, which guess where those are hidden? TRO 3025, the OG TRO.

>>50367311
>why doesn't anyone make a mech to fill the empty niche that isn't actually empty

Why do you hate the Stalker anon

Why

How many pre clan invasion 85ton mechs with jumpjets that aren't terrible are there?

>>50370313

it's the only MOC assault mech. That's reason enough. The fact that it looks like a fetish object and is associated with the fetish faction just makes things worse.

>>50370330

None.

No, really. None. The only 85-ton Introtech Mech with JJs is the Katana (nee Crockett) and the downgraded version to be Introtech-legal is pure shit.

The only other 85-ton options are the Beemer, Longbow, and Stalker. The 85-ton category in general is incredibly sparsely populated.

>>50370338
Don't malign the noble mechdildo. Stalker-chan is an excellent mech.

>>50370313
read the whole chain of posts, knucklehead.

>>50370213
by that logic you'd have to combine the two to truly get the og experience

>>50369961
The gauss rifle in the right arm does, though.

>>50370367
>The 85-ton category in general is incredibly sparsely populated.
I feel like that's because everything it does can be done better by another tonnage, so people don't really bother to use it

>>50370390
Read 'em before, but your post is still amusingly phrased. Deal w/ it, knucklehead

>>50370719

You'd think that rationale would make sense, but people still bother to make light Mechs for some reason too.

>>50370755
Oh you.

>>50370880
>>50370755
Knock it off.

>>50370935
Make me, copper.

>>50369540
I mention the Conjuror occasionally. There's quite a few machines out of that book I like.

>>50370935
>>50370880
>>50370755
>>50370313
No, I'm Muninn!

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>>50370367

>The only 85-ton Introtech Mech with JJs is the Katana (nee Crockett) and the downgraded version to be Introtech-legal is pure shit.

wat

It's got full armour, 2 Large Lasers, 2 Small Lasers, and A/C-10, two SRM-6s and 15 HS. The last is the only bad thing about it but remember this is 3025 so overheat is par for the course.

I'd actually say it's one of the under-rated gems of the era.

>>50370330

Only one not listed so far is the Shogun, but it's a WD exclusive. Terrible-ness is subject to opinion there, it does all right in the era but overall is not that great.