Warhammer 40k General

>when you set a head on a model then go take a shower to come back and realize its at a weird angle
and so, another marine in my army has a dejected look

>>50329293
Are you making the saddest group of marines?

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I want TSons rule leaks so i can plan my all Rubric army

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Nth for Tzaangors.

I think I may make a 30k xenos army out of them using the Cults and Militia book.

>>50329296
yes. all of my deathwatch marines are actually the most depressed marines from their respective chapters.

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>>50329288
COLOSSAL SQUIG!

>>50329305
You know maybe thats why they were thrown into deathwatch? They were always bitching and whining and the chapter masters couldn't take it anymore

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>>50329293
Pics and chapter? Sad marines would be pretty great, bonus points if they're actually Lamentors or something.

>>50329313
>throne above, brother edmund will NOT stop moping lately, i'm just going to send him to the deathwatch

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>>50329288
>tfw just bought all the crap I need for a Neophyte Cavalcade so I can play NOT IG

It's cool and all, but damn I have a lot of painting to do.

How should I run my Sentinels? I bought 2 of the plastic kits and was thinking about infiltrating them as Scouts with flamers. Do they magnetize well?

>>50329318
>For the Emperor....I guess...
>Purge the Daemon...uhh...do we have to?
>Suffer not the Xenos to live...but they're not bothering anyone...

>>50329335
>Suffer not the Xenos to live...but they're not bothering anyone...
This was actually the plot of a narrative campaign I was in.

A group of Eldar were just minding their own business on some shit planet, having grown bored of being, well, Eldar, when some fuckhead Marines showed up to kill them because they're Eldar.

Xth for Tyranids or Admech?

Pls help

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>>50329351
CRAAAAAAAAAAAB TANKS!

>>50329351
Admech are the stronger army at the moment if that's a tiebreaker for you.

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>>50329335
Could we actually roll up some sadmarines?

How do guard deal with knights?

>>50329345
what part of suffer not the alien to live do you not get? you arent a heretic are you? id hate for the local inquisitor hearof this

>>50329386
Dammit. Right as I'm about to go to bed. I'll probably check the thread in the morning.

>>50329392
Hey man, I was the Marine player, you're probably the heretic.

>>50329386
What would their colors be?

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>>50329293
I know that feel. Brother Wai constantly questions his existence as part of the Death Company

>>50329402
Black and blue?

>>50329426
One of them is looking at his shotgun like
>This tool is for nothing but death....

And the other is looking at his heavy thunder hammer in a similar fashion.

>>50329402
Trying to think of gloomy colors. Dingy off white and deep blue with dark purple lenses maybe?

>>50329434
Are you sure it's not the forlorn look of unrequited love between man and machine?

>>50329457
>I wish to do.... heretical things to this hammer.
>I should inform the Chaplain...
>But it feels so right.

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>>50329457
He has attempted to be inducted as a techmarine thrice now and thrice he has been denied, as close as the two may be they shall never be one.

>>50329300

This, I just want to know what the fucking points costs are for all of this shit so I can plan what to buy

>>50329325
Sentinels are a bit of a task, sad to say. Cult Ambushing flamers are kinda not great, you basically need a 4-6 roll to do anything. I'd go with outflanking lascannons on Armored Sentinels myself.

>>50329485
Tax, meant to say.

>>50329485
Thanks for the advice. Yeah I'd be banking on rolling 5 or 6 a lot.

Is the 5 points extra for front 12 armor on the Armored more or less a must-take over Scouts?

Is Deathwatch: Overkill worth it if I want to start a GSC army?

Or should I just buy units separately?

>>50329494
Well shit, I bought 2 because I thought they looked spiffy.

Story of my life, really.

Played my first game in 2 months today. It was a 1250 game against a newer person with KDK. I was originally going to use my Sisters, but he wanted to do Khorne vs Tzeentch when he saw my tzeentch daemons.

It didn't end well, even without summoning. The funny thing is that my Daemon Prince did most of the work because of Warp speed. I didn't even give him a Robe. He had ML3, Flight, Armor, 2 Greaters and a Lesser. WL trait was +1 ML, greater was the Armor/Fleshbane and 3+ save, which was turned into an etherblade, and the lesser I turned into a Staff of change. He had 11 S8 attacks on the charge, and the poor guy couldn't deal with it.

Thankfully, the guy was a pretty great sport about it because I felt terrible. I told him I'd be using my Sisters next week.

>>50329530
No bloodthirsters on his side?

>>50329513
Yes, absolutely. I'm currently building mine and it's saved me quite a bit. You get 3 HQs, a ton of hybrids, and it's the only way to get aberrants without seriously overpaying.

And if you're lucky you can get some cash for the DW portion.

That said, I immediately added a box of neophytes and acolytes for the other weapon options, and now I'm buying up more stuff to get the formation perks.

Plug the overkill contents into battlescribe to see how far it gets you.

>>50329389
Hitting them from more than one side. AKA:

Front Lines: Lascannon heavy weapons teams, Leman Russ (Executioner/Exterminator, or vanquisher if you're running armored fist), Suicide meltavets in a chimera

Sides: Barrage weapons (Basilisks)

Sides/Back: Outflanking meltavets in chimera (from warlord traits) or sentinels. Deep striking stormtroopers. Deep striking stormtroopers/vets from a valk, especially if they're from that formation where they don't scatter.

It's a crapshoot

>>50329513
I'd buy the units separately cos I do not like monopose kits. Also you'd be paying for models you do not need (the Deathwatch) but if you can split the cost with a friend, that at least mitigates that issue

I bought a Guard Start Collecting today.

What should I do with the heavy weapons team? Lascannon seems the most attractive option.

>>50329543
He didn't get the chance, and didn't have the model. I had enough princes in my collection to stand in if/when he got there, but he dropped 'Letters onto a tac objective, which got him like 4VP. It was a good call (he's a WMH player), and we were pretty much tied at that point. However, then my DP started getting work done. He had one squad left by the time he hit enough BP for the thirster, and they got DP'd by the DP.

>>50329509
>>50329514

They're not really bad, it's more other stuff outshines them in general. Outflanking lascannons are pretty powerful considering how cheap they are, and it draws away fire that could otherwise be mulching your troops.

Because of that, yes, front armor 12 is a decent investment for 5 points. They're a distraction that wilts at oncoming fire, but can't be totally ignored. They're fun, and while most only run one, the second one isn't really hurting you.

>>50329578
Autocannon, and stick it in with the command squad eventually.

Lascannon HWT are good, but you'd want dedicated squads of 3 of them so you can
1) order them to have tank hunters
2) give them prescience when you have psykers

Autocannons are much safer and more versatile.

It's worth noting that even once you build the autocannon/hb/lascannon, you can still construct the mortar and missile launcher, though you'll have to get a little creative in how you implement them onto your models.

Is it possible to play this edition without transport vehicles?
Can I just play foot infantry Sisters of Battle?
20 sisters per squad with max amount of heavy/special weapon

>>50329578
For veterans, a las cannon might be okay (kind of a waste of the other 8 vets though). On normal guardsmen, take an autocannon.

>>50329567
The overkill models are good if you plan on summoning. You take the cheapest models you can off the bat, then summon in the ones with special weapons (from the individual kits) since all the goodies are free with summoning.

You do have a point though, because not only are they monopose, a majority of the hybrids come in identical pairs.

>>50329583
Oooof, that sounds rough. Hopefully he learns a thing or two from this and applies it to the next game.

>>50329612
yes, but you're going to want something to prevent them from getting completely wrecked before they get to where they're going (psykers)

pretty anti-fluff though

>>50329612
I get by with footslogging Necrons, but anything less tough might be pretty damn risky

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>>50329612
i guess, i hardly see transports when i play and my primary army doesn't have transports. i am tempted to play my weekend warrior guardians without transports for a while though i know t3 5+ is just asking for a slaughter

>>50329612
>Is it possible to play this edition without transport vehicles?
Depends on codex and meta. Not counting Daemons and Nids who don't really have transports, you can play Footdar and Necrons and to a lesser extent GK as well without vehicles. A more casual meta will also open up that list some to accommodate other armies.

>Can I just play foot infantry Sisters of Battle?
Again, that depends on your meta. If it is pretty casual/for fun, sure. If it is more hardcore though, I'd say you're in for a tough time. Sure they have 3+ armor but being t3 means you'll be taking more wounds on average against infantry level guns. It's going to be rough, even with 20 models a squad

>>50329612

I love the hoard of sisters because it reminds me of 4th edition, but they're very vulnerable in the current state of the game.

If it's a price thing, a hoard sisters is pushing $130 for 260ish points. A squad of 5 in an immolator is about $100 for 140 points. Both squad have the Max number of special weapons, but the latter also has the immolator turret.

Yes, you get more points per dollar for the squad of 20, but you have 180 points of bloat because those 15 bolters would be better in 5 5man squads with 2 more special weapons, which runs you another $20-25 for the special weapon pair. At that point, you might as well ride in immolators.

That being said, yes, you could MSU 5 man squads of sisters to your hearts content on foot, and it MIGHt give you enough target saturation. Sadly, the blob of 20 just isn't a good use of points anymore.

>>50329637

Yea. It was a slaughter house. I can't even blame it on tzeentch, really, though I suppose the Staff of Change did a lot of work thanks to the +2S. Then again, he was wounding on 2s thanks to the gift anyway.

He's learning, which is good, though we might switch to WMH because 40k is kind of a shitshow atm.

Tzaangors are 5+, 4++, 8ppm, and comes with Laspistol and CCW. Mark of Tzeentch already included. That goes for everything in the TSons range, on the termies the ++ stacks.

They also have access to Assault Cannons, which you've seen in the previews. All weapons have soul blaze.

>>50329734
Is this true, or is this just a sad attempt at trolling?

>>50329546
>>50329567
>one yes one no

/tg/ pls

>>50329726
What's WMH?

>>50329760
Just shitposting
TSN have rotor cannons.

>>50329762
Its one "Yes" and one "I don't like monopose"

>>50329734
Does Magnus cost 999 points? If not why bother.

>>50329773
Warmachine and Hordes

>>50329773
Warmahordes. ( Warmachine + Hordes)

>>50329782
Oh well. It's not like I was worried about rules and point cost, anyway.

I'm buying all that stuff, regardless. Those models are amazing.

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Does any lore exist for Tech Priest psykers?

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>>50329842

Warp smiths

>>50329762
well it comes with the "Broodcoven" HQ box, which is $40 on ebay, 12 acolytes(?) which are $35 for 5, 16 neophytes which are $35 for 10, and 4 aberrants which go for $40. Plus two purestrain genestealers, for what it's worth (30 point elite choice)

Tally that shit up and you're spending nearly $200 just to match it. You'll probably want to add a few boxes anyway, even before thinking of vehicles.

>>50329798
He costs 450pts.

how do grey knights deal with vehicles?

>>50329842
None in the imperium.
The black ships are very thorough in the collection of snacks for the Emperor.

If any exist they are extremely low level technopaths who have had time rising in power as instinctive understanding of machines is in opposition to the slavish doctrine of rote and number.

>>50329885
Daemon hammers and lascannons.

>>50329842
AdMech Psykers are sent to pilot the Psychic Titan Legions.

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>>50329881
>4+5+0=9
I see what you did there.

Stat line to justify this. Go.

>>50329908
Magnus The Red, Flying Gargantuan Creature (Character)

WS 7

BS 10

S 7

T 9

W 6

I 7

A 6

LD 10

2+ Save

2++ save

ML 6

>>50329963
>2+ Invuln

Wowzers. I'd say 5+, becoming a 4+ due to MoT.

Also would include something that allows him to re-roll psychic tests, ML6 is great but he should cast most powers almost automatically, being the most proficient psyker in the galaxy and having the patronage of the God of Magic -should- give him something in that regard.

PO epub when.

>>50329899
>>50329885
And Nemesis Dreadknights. If it's a light vehicle, enough psycannon fire and s6 melee attacks courtesy of Hammerhand should suffice.

>>50329963
Daemon of Tzeentch for the reroll failed saves of 1? Sounds legit

>>50329908
I james bond hamburger'd your sister?

>>50330005
They carry the hammer too.

>>50330019
It's an old meme, it's nonsense.

>>50329908
Pierce Brosnan sanwiched?

>>50330025
Ive seen it before i thought someone would have an answer to it.

>>50329908
>>50330019
>>50330033
>>50330034


Bond and Burger

I Boned and Bugger'd your sister

It's a pun.

>>50330047
FINALLY FREEDOM!!

>>50329908
Last night I pierced your sisters buns.

Why is Khorne the most popular chaos god? I like him but out all all 4, his followers are the last interesting.

>All these new Traitor Legion symbols
hnnnnng, except for the Death Guard

That one is shit

>>50330206
Violence is simple and easy to sell, which is why in 90% of the stuff GW does is Khorne related

What program do you need to read modern GW epubs? All programs I use make the text so huge it's unreadable.

>>50329987
Fucking Zoanthropes get a 3+ invulnerable save. Magnus can have a 2+, stupid as it is.

>>50329640
They don't have any psykers

>>50329963
No one is buying your shit, shitsalesman.

>>50330229
but zoanthropes are hilariousy fragile, and need a good save
those prospective stats, coupled with FGC status for fnp and immunity to ID would make a 2+ invuln abusive, to say the least
i would be cool with a 3+ or 4+ reroll 1s

>>50330226
ibooks.

>>50330226
readium

>>50330262
He's one of the most powerful beings in the Galaxy. He really should be like that.

>>50330275
Then he should be warlord titan pricing.

>>50330275
thats fluffwise, in game terms thats already more durable than a supremacy suit except for the reducing D damage thing
i would absolutely refuse to play against a 2+ invuln t9 FGC that could shit out psychic powers like its nothing
if we wanted things to be fluff accurate, every marine player would be using the movie marines rules

>>50330296
Man if marines were fluff wise they be broken as fuck every model would have FnP and atleast 2 wounds.

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>>50330337

>>50330365

This will never stop being less fluff accurate than the codex.

The issue with the codex isn't the probability of a lasgun killing a marine in an open field vs a Bolter killing a guardsman in an open field, it's that the kind of line up and have a massed battle stuff the tabletop presents isn't how marines operate, at all.

Fluff accurate marines would have their own special ops based game, and only appear in the tabletop as well equipped support squads for larger armies, to spearhead an assault.

>>50330047
No.
Puns are the highest form of art, that theres some "Orange smorange" tier hack.

>>50330456
Shitty word play then.

>>50330464
Not even the same words.

Just /trash/

>>50330454
no

You know the old lore about the Nids eating 12 galaxies before targeting this one? Well I like to think that instead of consuming them individually they did so all. At. Once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8
Jump to 9:00 and watch from there.

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>>50330481

Excellent rebuttal, friend!

The game ultimately isn't granular enough to represent all the advantages marines have over regular humans, and against many of the Xenos they don't actually -Have- much advantage, or are even at a disadvantage.

T4 3+ is pretty much accurate. The rest comes from tactical superiority and less attrition-minded battle plans than "Let's rush them en-masse without any regular human support in our free Razorbacks!"

So what actually is the INDEX imperialis?

>>50330530
Bunch of old Imperial fluff and pictures.

>>50330521
Better you know your fucking fluff than any rebuttal I can give. There's lot's of canon that contradict your statement dude. Marines fight big battles like it or not.

is a list consisting entirely of dreadnoughts predators and a couple of techmarines cheesy?

>>50330208
Where are these?

>>50330558
This Vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmSZUvtR6Q&feature=youtu.be

Some redditor made bigger versions here https://imgur.com/a/Fluwg

>>50330550
Cheesy as in OP? No, not really. Cheesy as in people will give you weird looks? Well, people will give you weird looks regardless of the army you field anyways so I'd go with no as well.

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>loses to 13 armor

Would this list still be somewhat cheesy in a pure kill points match?

About to order some mto daemonettes for my slanesh themed daemon army. What is an realistic/decent amount 30? 40? Or even 60.

Are the cavalry versions worth considering as theyre just faster daemonettes and are LEss Lilly than fiends?

Thinking at around 1,5-2k points with CSM/warroirs of kaos depending on setting

Occult Terminators have a missile launcher on their backs. They are called Hellfyre Launchers. They also have Heavy Warp Flamers and the Chaos Reaper Cannon.

The Rubric special weapons are a Warp Flamer and a Soul Reaper Cannon.

So with Genestealer Cults taking the "pop up everywhere" role away from Tyranids, what is going to be the Nids specialty when their new codex finally comes out(in 10 years)?

My bet is on Nidzilla 2: gargantuan creature boogaloo.

Flyrants will of course be nerfed into the ground, because how else would they sell new models?

>>50330664
These flamers just gonna have soulblaze right?

>>50330664
Ap 3 flamers, havok launchers and rotor cannons with soul blaze.

>>50330677
I dunno, just says the names in WD.

I'm trying to make a 1000pts army for necrons. I already have 12 warriors a lord and a ghost arc. But getting up to 1000 seems expensive. What do I buy next to pack out the points without having to spend forever building and painting?

>>50330673
Sounds like it. Flyrants especially.

They could just buff the existing MCs though?

>>50330605
They are cheap and fast as fuck, literally just better daemonettes.

The minute point difference means that if you expect to run formations mercy your wallet is the only reson to pick vanille daemonettes.

>>50330696
>>50330605
Minor additional factor. If you ever decide to use them in Age of Sigmar you'll want both.

Rate my store meta.

850 Points

2x Dark Angel Demi-Company

1x Ultra Marines CAD (Grav Centurions, Contemptor Dreadnought)

1x Black Templars CAD (LRC + Infantry)

2x Tyranids (Harpy + Flying Swarm Tyrant)

1x Orks (Gorkonaut, Kans, Bikes)

1x Grey Knights (Dreadknight + Infantry)

>>50330673
>>50330693
Mid-ranged generalist army with a focus on monstrous creatures that can be built to dominate any game phase.

Like the Tyranids have always been.

>Black Legion: [Abaddon the Despoiler is Black Legion]

Veterans of the Long War: +1 Leadership and Hatred (Imperials).

Vengeful Strength: Characters gain +2 Strength in close combat.

>Renegade Warband: [Huron Blackheart and Fabius Bile are Renegades]

Selfish Pride: Furious Charge. Can reroll failed Morale, Fear and Pinning checks.

Merciless Corsairs: Characters can choose to double their Attacks characteristic once per game.

>World Eaters: (Mark of Khorne only, Khorne Berzerkers and Blood Brethren are always World Eaters) [Kharn the Betrayer is World Eaters]

Insane Bloodlust: Add +D3” to max charge range. Automatically pass Pinning checks.

Fury of Khorne: Characters gain the Rampage special rule.

>Emperor’s Children: (Mark of Slaanesh only, Noise Marines and Blissriders are always Emperor’s Children) [Lucius the Eternal is Emperor’s Children]

Martial Grace: Hit and Run. Fleet.

Vicious Excess: Characters gain the Rending special rule.

Continues

>>50329612

One of my favorite lists to run is Green Tide. It's even competitive in a casual setting.

Mind you it works off of single models buffing 100+ other ones and around 10 hidden power klaws. But hey, it's Orks.

>>50330750
>5 Marines to 3 xenos

The dude playing Black Templars gets a point but otherwise your meta needs some work m80

>>50330764
>Death Guard: (Mark of Nurgle only, Plague Marines and Plague Wardens are always Death Guard) [Typhus is Death Guard]

Diseased Bulk: Immune to the Poisoned special rule. Automatically pass Fear checks.

Plague Arsenal: Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Frag Missiles and Grenades have Poisoned and Rending.

Aura of Decay: Characters cause enemy models in base contact to suffer -1 Attack (to min of 1).

>Thousand Sons: (Mark of Tzeentch only, Rubric Marines and Corvidaes Covens are always Thousand Sons) [Ahriman is Thousand Sons]

Favoured of the Deciever: You may reroll Invulnerable save results of 1.

Infernal Armory: Heavy Bolters, Reaper Autocannons and Autocannons have Inferno Bolts.

Sorcerous Premonitions: Characters can reroll a single to hit, to wound, saving throw or manifesting die once per game turn.

>Alpha Legion:

Coils of the Hydra: Infiltrate. Alpha Legion characters may always join units of Cultists prior to deployment.

Headhunters: Characters have Acute Senses and can bestow the Sniper rule upon a friendly Alpha Legion unit’s Bolters/Combi-Bolters if they are within 6” during the Shooting phase, provided that friendly unit hasn’t moved.

Continues

>>50330779
>Iron Warriors:

Siegemasters: Tank Hunters.

Shredder Bolts: Heavy Bolters, Frag Grenades and Frag Missiles have the Shred special rule.

Iron within Iron Without: Characters gain the Feel No Pain rule. Warpsmiths have +1 to repair rolls on friendly vehicles.

>Night Lords:

Murderous Talents: Reroll 1s to Wound in Close Combat. Lightning Claws have the Rending rule.

Lords of Terror: Stealth and Fear.

Gutter Fighters: Characters cause Instant Death on a wound roll of 6 in Close Combat.

>Word Bearers:

Blessed by the Gods: Units get to roll on the Boon Table whenever they kill an enemy unit in close combat, with all models benefiting from the result (reroll Spawndom and Dark Apotheosis). In addition, psykers count as Daemons for the purposes of using Malefic Daemonology powers.

Fanatical Devotion: Characters gain the Zealot special rule, and if they are a Dark Apostle they grant their unit +1 Attack.

Well then, what do you think of Legion rules?

>>50329300

I am in the same boat.

>>50330778

>actually manage to get a point with my army for once

I really need to work on my list and get matched against the xenos more regularly, though.

>>50330783
Can BL double down on VotLW

>>50330797
Pretty sure it just means they get it as default for their legion rules. It's considered to be already taken.

>>50330783
Faggot you just pasted the ancient rumours/wishlist

>>50330764
>>50330779
>>50330783
>Well then, what do you think of Legion rules?
These are "leaks" then?

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Multiple heads for Magnus

Kinda wish the Skitarii Maniple had some special rule for how their Warlord works.

I hate having to use a squishy, non-killy Alpha as my Warlord and using a Dominus Maniple for the Tech-Priest doesn't let me use any of my cool Traits.

>>50330818
Think I prefer the one big eye.

>>50330816
Dude was right about Traitor's Hate. I think we should consider them as potentially legit.

>>50330818
Glad they have both one eyed king and red cyclops variant.

>>50330838
The anonymous dude?

>>50330818
neckbeard/mohawk magnus when

>>50330818
Source?

>>50330818
He seems rather angry

>>50330846
yeah, same guy said


Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones.
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions)

Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates.

Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game

And they were in Traitor's Hate when it came out like 5-6 months later.

Huh Traitor Legions is coming on the 3rd. Pretty soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmSZUvtR6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4kRRcI5nMk

LOL.

I'm infinitely happy that CSM are finally getting there 7th ed update.

>>50330783
I think there are 10.
GW teased there would be 9

I think I just made a stupid thing that might actually be decent.

Sisters MSU 1000pts

Canoness
Mantle, Rosarius
Evicerator, Combi-plas

>Six squads of:
Sisters x5
Multi-Melta, Melta

>Two squads of
Seraphim x5
Hand Flamer x2

Retributers x10
Heavy Bolter x4
Simulacrum
Superior w/Combi-plas and Melta Bombs

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>>50330851
The new White Dwarf, just arrived in the post.

>>50330605
For 3ppm extra Seekers get Cavalry, HoW, Outflank, Acute Senses, an extra attack and because they're cavalry of Slaanesh they get Run +6" rather than Run +3". No brainer, really. Fragile as fuck so no point taking less than 20 in a squad. Put a Herald with the Locus of Grace with them for Moves Through Cover. I don't pay for Daemonettes in my lists, as I just summon them so I'd recommend units of 10 only.

>>50330818
How does he see through that mask if he has a single eye?

>>50330892
Arch is a shit m8

>>50330892
>Cringey wannabe Yatzee.

Fuck feminist apologists vs. Fedroras.

>>50330831
Play AdMech War Convocation.

>>50330908
Holy shit other anon wasnt lying.

>>50330913
It's the modern interpretation where he like odin had two eyes but gave one up for knowledge.

>>50330692
>how can I do X without spending any time or money on the hobby?

Fuck off.

>>50330818

Mask is kind of nice and I suppose it makes sense that they would take advantage of his appearance being mutable to actually have him live up to his nickname.

>>50330923
I would if it wouldn't have a minimum naked cost of 1490 without having the Cohort Mechanicus free upgrades.

>>50330908
Are the Apocrypha things just the old fluff anon?

>>50330895
10 what ? traitor legions ? naw mate.

>>50330692
ebay is your freind

make a list to 1000 points with what you want, then use ebay to get the models

>>50330908
Any Thousand Sons stuff we don't know yet?

>>50330943
>>50330895

9 Traitor Legions and a bit for generic Renegades.

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>>50330913
The justification on the same page is that he has the magical ability to change his face to suit his purpose, hence why he has three faces (Masked, Unmasked and cyclops).

>>50330941
Talking about this stuff?

>>50330779
>Coils of the Hydra: Infiltrate. Alpha Legion characters may always join units of Cultists prior to deployment.
What, why is joining cultist a good thing? i can already do this

>>50330952
Wouldnt renegades just be using the standart CSM codex ? Or the actual renegades codex.

>>50330941

Likely, Space Marine Apocrypha was a collection of stuff from old rulebooks, codices, and WD issues.

I'm glad they decided to do two more and hopefully do some for the other armies that have been around for a while. They're nice when the only alternatives for learning about the past is paying for used copies or reading PDFs.

>tfw can't decide between admech or gsc/nids


S U F F E R I N G

>>50330900
This is bad, every choice you made here is bad.
Very regular SoB player here.

>>50330962
Renegades codex are traitor guard

>>50330969
Fuck's sake, Buy GSC and Skitarii, kitbash them together for Nid-Cyborg horrors.

>>50330972
how so

>>50330979
excellent

>>50330979
This, oh god this

>>50330957
The mad men. Theyre just asking for canon wars printing that lol.

>>50330783
>>50330779
>>50330764
Aww yiss, more fear, pinning and poison immunity. Just what the game needed.

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>>50330945
I haven't been following the leaks, nor am I a big 40k fan, so I wouldn't know.

There's a two pager on lots of background about his character though, plus a bit of insight into the details of his sculpt with some interesting stuff.

>>50330972

I am aware it's bad. I'm a regular, too. I just find the thought of a bunch msu foot squads amusing for 1000 points. I could squeeze in more if I dropped the bloat on the Rets and canoness, but I don't think I have the bodies. I might, actually, but not the heavy bolters.

>>50330999
Shut it dark eldar no one cares.

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Return of Space Hulk a new development?

Sorry if it's upside down, my camera is shit.

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>>50331001
Any chance we can see it?

>>50330818
Nice mask nw I don't have to fuck up the model by attempting eyes.

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>>50331018
Yeah, we didn't know about this.

>>50331001
I will forever believe that magnus is totally just tricking Tzeentch.

>>50331001
The idea that Magnus wouldnt be able to heal his wounds seem retarded to me tbqh.

>>50331018
Holy shit they are bringing back all the old school games
What's next then? necromunda, mordheim, GORKAMORKA

>>50331064
The new speciality game guys did an interview with a blood bowl podcast and said that both Necromunda and Mordheim where things that they would like to do but there are currently no plans. They also said Gorkamorka probably wont see a new release, but who knows.

>>50331064
they literally answered that like, last year

after blood bowl is the new version of adeptus titanicus

>>50331018

Pretty sure they brought it back a year or two ago for a limited time. Guess maybe they're trying to ride the wave of all the other board games they're releasing.

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>>50331035
It's a bit bigger than two pages, so here's just one of them.

There's also new rules for Lost Patrol (New scenario), Imperial Knights: Renegade (Stormsurge and Wraithknight), and DeathWatch: Overkill(Three new battle plans, Genestealer Cult rules)

>>50331080
Just got my WD in the post mate, but thanks for posting.

>>50331088
no problem. I'm surprised they're arriving this early. I thought they'd be here later this week.

>>50331098
Me too, was fully expecting mine on Thursday.

>>50331098
Take a picture of Magnus stats pls!

>>50331080
The fluff there contradicts every single different source in some way. Its a mangled mess of all the different tales about that surround Magnus and his sons. WD why you have to do this?

>>50331080
anything about new blood bowl teams in there anon ?
or emperor forbid imperial guard stuff?who am i kidding we're not getting any new toys until 8th

>consider the following.jpg

A severely damaged (as ripped open) GSC Leman Russ. A Biovore(count-as main weapon) is chilling out on/in the tank, with cultists nearby praying to it/protecting it(count-as secondary weapons)

>>50331131
>The fluff there contradicts every single different source in some way
every fucking telling of nikaea/prospero is a mangled mess that contradicts previous versions

This one is much better than black library's attempt, however.

>>50331107
Anon please, we got White Dwarf magazines, not the actual WoM or Traitor Legions books.

Magnus is 80£ by the way or 130$.

Rubrics are 30£, 50$ for 10. You can arm the entire squad with Inferno Boltguns or Warpflamers. The Cannon is called a Soulreaper Cannon.

Termies are 35£, 60$ for 5. Heavy Warpflamer or Soulreaper Cannon, or Hellfyre Missile Racks, otherwise armed with Inferno Combi-Bolters. You can build one as a Sorceror.

Exalted Sorcerors are 35£ or 60$, for 3. Only one can be built with a disc. There are apparently a lot of bits in the box so you can customise a lot.

Tzaangors are 27.50£ or 45$ for 10. They come with an Autopistol and Chainsword or simple CCW. You can build one as a Twistbray.

Ahriman is 25£ or 40$.

>>50331048
>trying to ruse the rusemeister

Something something staring too long into the abyss something something

>>50331172
Prices will never change will they Anon.

>>50331172
Oh yeah and you can build one Rubric as an Aspiring Sorceror.

Don't think I like the name Twistbray.

>>50331172
those tzaangors better be a full multikit and they were just lazy on the cover because if not 45 bux is bullshit.

>>50331190
Doesn't mention them being snap-fit or anything and they usually do.

And there's definitely options for heads. There's one that sort of looks like The Thing splitting it's head in two.

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Heavy Bolters are the coolest looking heavy weapons, and I wish they weren't universally the worst option.

>>50331208
just play Imp Fists and they're fine.

>>50330778
>BT dickrider
Why is it ok for Templars to get their dicks sucked by the same people that will shit on marine armies for existing?

>>50329963
>BS10
>No depth perception
Fucking Tzeentch

>>50331218

Because they're actually interesting.

How is kill team? Me and my friends want to make use of some of our 40k minis without the pain of spending so much money on codex and massive armies.

>>50331208
why are the universally worse than anything else?

>>50331208
I regularly use 4 of them in one of my Devastator Squads - they work fairly well. Then again, I use IF chapter tactics.

>>50331236
Name a weapon thats worse that can be taken by as many units

>>50331183
why would they?

The thing making GW games expensive is the number of miniatures you need. Not the prices themselves. 4.5-5$ a head is basically reaper-tier pricing.

>>50331236
What's a worse HW than a heavy bolter?

>>50331250
mortar

>>50331250
>>50331247
Missile Launchers with Flakk missiles.

>>50331249
i dont know maybe im just a poorfag and thinking like a 10 dollar price drop wouldnt hurt that bad.

>>50331253
I dunno, man. Missile launchers can kill light vehicles, masses of poorly-armored infantry, and flyers with equal ability.

They're certainly better than heavy bolters are, in any case.

>>50331253

Flakk launchers can at least hurt 90% of units.

Heavy Bolters aren't even good at killing massed infantry, which is what they're meant for.

>>50331260
but why are heavy bolters bad? do they just not give enough fire power for the cost? is it something else? I wouldnt know as i use Heavy Flamers cause im Blood angels and my job is to be real close.

>>50331233
Why would it save you money on codexes?

>>50331273

There's just always a better option when you can take heavy bolters. Heavy weapon slots are valuable, and using them for something that's only marginally better than a standard bolter is a waste.

Heavy Bolters should be salvo weapons. Would increase their effectivness. Fight me.

>>50331260
>>50331267
I suppose it depends on how you're assessing the weapon.

MLs with Flakk are 25pts, so that's 49pts for a single str 8 ap 3 shot or a str 4 ap 5 small blast, but if you're using the blast then you're not using the AA capability.

HBs are only 10pts, sure they can't threaten flyers as much, but they can threaten all infantry and some vehicles, and you can take 2.5 of them per single ML with Flakk.

I'm deliberately including the Flakk upgrade because it's terrible - if we were just comparing MLs to HBs then it'd be a much closer contest.

>>50331285

Except you're not taking 2.5 of them per ML with Flakk. You're still only taking one because your tactical squad only has one heavy weapon slot.

>>50331281
Yep, make them salvo 3/5 and they're worth taking sometimes.

>>50331281
Only thing that would do is allow them to shoot on the move, wich is not the job of devastators in the first place, and they'd be hammering out less shots at half range.

Optimally the HB should be the heavy weapon meant for drowning something in wounds. Problem is most things can reasonably shrug them off, and MC's will literally not care.

>>50331285
>I'm deliberately including the Flakk upgrade because it's terrible

It was such a forced argument nobody missed it.

>>50331252
Seen more people take mortars and heavy bolters. 48" range, barrage, and blast to negate shitty BS. Not to forget that being able to drop it behind cover can hurt some low save factions, while HB just has to fire through cover.

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>want to build a GSC army
>no start collecting box
>no december battleforce deal box

I'm gonna start collecting, get to about 1500 points of guys, THEN they'll release the beginner box.

I just know it.

>>50330692
Destroyers. Can't go wrong with hates everything jetbikes and you can buy them in a box of 3 for a slight discount.

>>50331322
Split Overkill.

>>50331275
Seems cheaper to buy killteam than to buy a codex for the same price.

>>50331315
only 6+ saves, and you're paying points for a S4 blast that doesn't also come glued to a krak missile launcher

There's pretty much zero reason to take a mortar. And that was before the wyvern existed.

>>50331344
You still need the codex for your Killteam, Anon.

>>50331356
Oh wait, really?

Nevermind that point then. Is the game itself good?

>>50331360
Yeah, game's good.

>>50331336
I don't have any friends, and no one on the forum for my FLGS was interested.

>>50331360
Depends whether you and your friend are huge competitive assholes

>>50331376
We're borderline retarded, so I guess the opposite.

>>50331385
Then may you have the emperors blessing, Unless you are a filthy heretic or xeno then pray to what ever vile being you believe in.

>>50331385
you might like heralds of ruin better than standard kill team

but kill team is fun

>>50331208
They are great as Deathwatch.

>>50331218
Stormfags are hypocrites by default.

>>50330869
But that's mostly like incorrect. Stop being a gullible retard. The name is an easy guess, and the reroll warlord traits is fairly ubiquitous among detachments. Dark Ascension isn't even remotely close to what we actual got, and it's easy to guess that a CSM detachment would deal with the only army-wide rule in the book. He also got the name/quantity of command slots wrong and entirely left out the free VotLW benefit.

Shit, Crimson Slaughter aren't even a legion.

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A leman russ is smaller than an exocrine, yes?

I need to know. For science.

>>50331273
3 s5 ap4 shot just doesn't do much.
Not enough shots to scare hordes
Not enough punch to scare Big shit
Not ap enough to scare most elites.

>>50331299
It would make them worth considering on tacs though.

>>50331436
Yea i guess compared to a cone from a flamer hordes dont really mind being hit by 3 bullets.

>>50331336
It's a shit to split.

Not much call for multiple sets of the same named characters.

>>50331445
Automaticly hit by flames.
Only a chance to be hit by shots.

>>50331353
>only 6+ saves

So Orks, DE, Cultists, etc. Also, 5+ armour is still worse than, say, 4+ cover.

>you're paying points for a S4 blast that doesn't also come glued to a krak missile launcher

Less points, though. and come with Barrage. And people don't take missile launchers that much either.

>There's pretty much zero reason to take a mortar.

Still more reasons than to take HBs.

>>50331304
Someone up there asked if there was a worse weapon than a HB for the price, I was suggesting MLs with Flakk as being worse - /tg/ being what it is, I wanted to head off any vacuous responses of "Hurr just don't take flakk!"

>>50330764
>blood brethren
>blissriders
>plague wardens
>corvidaes covens

The ts termies are called scarab occult or something like that, so if this is true, then new cult non-termie units are confirmed.

>>50331460
>for the price,

Who? They just asked what's a worse HW. And ML with Flakk is still miles better than a HB on all fronts.

>>50331481
Iirc plagues and thousand sons get termie cult while khorneflakes and partyboys get bikes.

>>50331495
A ML with flakk is 3 times te prices even of a HB with specialist ammo

>>50331455
>So Orks, DE, Cultists, etc.
what etc, it's just those and gaunts

Orks are trash, DE are in transports, cultists are either in full cover or are GSC cultists and right beside you. And no one cares about gaunts.

>Still more reasons than to take HBs.
HBs have S5, which is reason enough to take them over a S4 small blast despite their crummy stats.

Of course there's no point to HBs (or even missile launchers) when you can also take autocannons, but if the only other choice is a mortar...

>>50331533

Again: Price doesn't matter for taking it on an average tactical squad because they will only have one HW slot.

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Wew lad

>>50331581
>Tsons summoning daemons

I thought Tsons were one of the "technically chaos but don't really worship chaos" guys tho, like Night Lords?

>>50331597
Noooo, they're a Tzeentch cult. Always have been.

>>50331597

Huh? TSons LOOOOVE Tzeentch.

>>50331496
Oh, that's really nice. I haven't heard of this, where did you read it?

Got the new WD delievered, anyone want any specific pics?

>>50331604
>>50331608
>Unlike Kharn, Lucius and Typhus, Ahriman is NOT a devoted servant of his Chaos god, and in fact does not even consider himself Tzeenchian, instead pursuing his own goal of becoming a god himself

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ahzek_Ahriman

And I doubt Magnus would have much love for Tzeentch either, considering all the ass-fucking that he's received at said diety's hand.

>>50331543
>what etc, it's just those and gaunts

Kroot and Krootox, Fenrisian Wolves, Scarabs, Rippers, Gargoyles...

>cultists are either in full cover

How are they in better cover than anyone else?

>>50331633
shit it's almost like 1d4chan isn't a reliable source of information

>>50331631
Thousand sons

>>50331608
>>50331604
It varies between warbands, but you don't have to worship Tzeentch to be conjuring daemons.

>>50331638
That is an accurate tidbit about Ahriman.

>>50331631
Is there anything about Traitor Legions? If so, please share.

>>50331633
Those two comments seems pretty sarcastic, though I could be wrong.

>>50331646
>That is an accurate tidbit about Ahriman.
ahriman literally bears the mark of tzeentch

>>50331208
The Hill mounted Hbolter my Basilisk has kills more enemies than its main gun does . It ist supposed to so that though

>>50331633
Ahriman not following Tzeentch and how Magnus runs the place is one of his major character points. In the trailer for the TSons release, Magnus says that they should combine their forces, ignoring any previous treachery and in-fighting, to defeat their common enemy once and for all.

While Magnus himself probably still doesn't exactly embrace Tzeentch and would most likely get rid of their deal if given the chance, that option is just not available right now so, the clever guy he is, he decided to just roll with it and make the best out of his super psychic powers.

Regular TSons marines and cult members are probably just your generic chaos cultists, so those are most likely knee-deep in daemon shit (other than Ahriman's troops).

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Guys I'm sure this has been discussed before, but what the fuck are these bolters?
Wouldn't twin-linked be more effective?
They look kind of badass, but weird too

>>50331665
Those are combi-bolters.

>it's unclear whether the supposed cult of marines devoted to the god of deceit, trickery, magic, and fucking people over are actually devoted to him, or just pretending to be

what a tweest

>>50331665
Could be Combi-Bolters.

>>50331659
Literally the next sentence on 1d4chan

>The Architect of Fate, however, still thinks of Ahriman as his greatest champion, as he does not concern himself with the faith of his servants, but with their actions and hopes. In a way, Ahriman's rebellion against his patron god and his quest to overthrow him makes him even more Tzeenchian.

>>50331665
My guess is the top barrel is a water pistol for sexy post-battle tank washes

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>>50331640
>>50331647
Sorry about the iphone camera
1/9

>>50331691
I cant get over how god awful those nipple horns are.

They ruin an otherwise kickass model.

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2/9

>>50331691
Thanks! The camera is fine

>>50331659
So, you've not actually read anything about Ahriman but saw that statline once and feel confident enough to spew your uneducated tardbabble all over all of us. Gotcha.

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Sorry little Rubric, the page was folding back too much
3/9

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4/9

>>50331701
>several psychic disciplines
The hype rises!

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5/9

>All that Inferno in front of the Bolter names

So they all have Soul Blaze then.

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6/9

>>50331710
See
>>50331701

>gaining the (perhaps unwanted) favor of Tzeentch

u fucking wot m8

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That's all there is about Legions anon, sorry
7/9

>>50331701
>9 new unit datasheets

So Ahriman, Magnus, Rubric Termies, Sorcerer Covenant, Rubric Marines, Tzaangors, and what else?

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A little extra because painting is important too
8/9

Whaddayou guys think the chances are that Wrath of Magnus fixes the shitty lore of change?

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And that's really all there is
9/9 Praise Tzeentch

>>50331719
so it's rotor cannons

>>50331691
>>50331701
>>50331706
>>50331712
>>50331719
>>50331727
>>50331733
>>50331742
>>50331754
>>50331766

Really appreciate it, you're doing God's work anon.

>>50331741
Are you even literate? That bit about the attention being unwanted directly contradicts your assertions that he's not a devoted servant.

>>50331748
Helbrute maybe? Rhinos and Land Raiders?

What books do I want if I'm doing a White Scars list. Codex Muhreens + Angels of Death?

>>50331766
>9

>>50331772
No problem, it's nice to give a little something back to /tg/

>>50331756
Well it says there are "several" psychic lores in wrath of magnus ~ we will see I guess.

>>50331748
Maybe something daemon-side?

>>50331767
>Chaos want more fluffy 30k things
>Chaos gets rotor cannons

Rofl good form GW

>>50331767
No, man, it's a weapon of mysterious provenance. No mere mortal could hope to fathom the origins of so unique and arcane a weapon.
>>50331778
Yes.

>>50331795
>>50331767
>a mighty soulreaper cannon, an ornate and arcane weapon of mysterious provenance.

I doubt it's JUST a rotor cannon.

>>50331773
Explain how NOT wanting the favor of a god means that you're his faithful servant.

>>50331748
solo sorcerers, maybe

Got to be a generic HQ option that isn't fagnus or ahriman, after all.

>>50331742
>£20
Not as bad as I feared.

>>50331804
Yep, confirmed illiterate. Ahriman is not a devoted servant. Ahriman is extremely dismissive of those that actually worship Tzeentch/Chaos.

>>50331803
Rotor cannon + soul blaze = soulrotor cannon.

>>50331719
Oh, it's a rotor cannon. Who would have thought? Not the "totes assault cannon, BTFO loyalist scum!" crowd, that's for sure.

>>50331815
>>50331817

Alternatively, its an ap 3 heavy 4 bolt gun, both would fit the description

>>50331813
>Ahriman is extremely dismissive of those that actually worship Tzeentch/Chaos.
And despite that makes full use of tzeench's powers and boons. He's classic "tzeentch fighting tzeentch" in character form.

>>50331322
start collecting with a focus on IG units, their start collecting box is a rather good deal for a GSC army.

>>50331825
Yes? No one disputed that.

>>50331824
>30" S3 AP6 Salvo 3/4 Soul Blaze

>>50331250
heavy stubber? Multilaser is also a contender

maybe multimelta due to severe range issues, but they are ok on relentless/vehicles IMO

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>>50331766

You are truly a god amongst men, anon. I was having a really shitty day, but your posts have made it a little more bearable.

Thank you, and let Duncan's holy light protect you.

>>50331841
Haha, cry some more loyalist, its going to be ap 3, and there is nothing you can do about it

>>50331813
That's exactly what I've been saying.

Speaking of illiterate.

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>>50331848

>>50331851
>s3ap3 24" salvo2/4

>>50331846
Heavy stubber isnt a mah-reen weapon, and the ML is great at breaking light vehicles and hoards

>>50331827
Why would I buy IG stuff if I want a GSC army tho.

>>50331861
I actually would be okay with this, S&P basically makes it assault 4. Would be nice at str 4, but i'd take str 3 for a decent range, and ap 3

>>50331866
Have you even looked at GSC? They use a whole fuckload of IG stuff.

>>50331856
Okay, so at what point in this reply chain did you go full retard and start replying in error? I started replying to the guy that doubted 1d4chan's accuracy about Ahriman's lack of worship, which is apparently not your position. So, where did you turn your brain off and start shitposting?

>>50331871
>yfw it's a worse hotshot volley gun

>>50331766
Tyvm - I'm hyped. First time in a long time.

>>50331871
It would do equal numbers of unsaved wounds to MEQ's as a Combi-bolter in Rapid-Fire range. That would be shit.

>>50331812
It's not, is it? I might even buy this one.

>>50331888

Trips!!!

I've never been this excited to decimate my wallet.

>>50331876
Right around the time you started posting extremely volatile replies over a lore debate about a british toy machine.

Why are you so salty? It's just a game. Chill out, nerd.

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>>50331888
>>50331899
Kek approves

>>50331897
softback only is shit, though

>>50331395
Thanks, how is Heralds of Ruin different?

>>50331846
>heavy stubber?

How many units have the option to choose between a stubber and a heavy bolter?

>Multilaser is also a contender

S6 is better than AP4.

>>50331872
Yes, but I figure buying stuff like troops and HQS would be a bit more important.