Horus Heresy General /hhg/

First for Reasonable Discussion instead of memes.

Has anybody tried using Malcador squadrons in their legion lists? I'm running Terror Assault at 3k and a squadron of them would be a great way to use the one heavy slot I get. Thinking 2-3 with demo cannon and battle cannon.

Are legion Inductee-Automata meant to be in the scheme of the legion, or of whatever FW the Legion nabbed them from?

>>50319912
yes

>>50319902
3 in a squadron could be pretty nasty, if you take the commander upgrade.
>Fire three heavy bolters at a squad of marines
>RAW grants tank hunters to the tanks, even if the shoot at nothing else together.

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No dubs except my own were rolled last thread.

Dubs still pic one of the following Legions and if loyalist or traitor (no Blackshields/Shattered Legions) for me.

Death Guard
Iron Warriors
Salamanders

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Are lightning claws worth it on tartaros terminators? They just seem so expensive at 15pts. Maybe have one or two, and have combi weapons and fists on the rest?

>>50319953
Don't do Iron Warriors, they're boring

>>50319912
a bit of both

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>50319953
All three.
Loyalist shattered legion.

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>>50319953
Grab a power spade, brother.

>>50319953
Tell us what you like from them. Is it their "forwards no matter what" theme? I'm assuming you're loyalist.

>>50319972
WAAc set up is 2 chainfists, 3 lightning claws, 4 volkite chargers,1 heavy flamer per 5 marines

>>50319953
traitor death guard

>>50320012
I thought the heavy flamer was a bad option? Not thay non, I just saw someone saying that in a thread recently so I'l wondering.

>>50320003

- Death Guard for their used look and the ability to run terminator only lists and still be somewhat effective as it seems.
- IW because of bitterness... and because they have a "sledgehammer-flavor".
- Salamanders because I like the Color, the dread Character and I had some 40k Salamanders about a decade or so ago.

I actually have an IF 40k Army, but I'm bored by them and don't consider expanding into 30k with them.

>>50320126
:'( But we're really cool in 30k.

>>50320126
> the dread Character
?

>>50319935
>six lascannons
>three multimeltas/havoc launchers/various pintle weapons
>three demolishers
>three battlecannons
With the command upgrade, 1055 points. I mean, you could do worse things with your single heavy support slot, but you better ensure nothing like a melta support squad deepstrikes nearby

>>50320115
With it you can face just about anything, and also people are less willing to charge in that conscript squad if i can kill 6 with one weaponn in overwatch.

>>50319972
It depends on what you're fighting, against massed marines they're situational but expensive, and you're able to sweep so even swords ought to be able to sweep. I run Night Lords teleporting cataphractii with a chainfist and four fists as late-game cleaners to remove squads from objectives and take them once the enemy fucks off. 220 points well spent to snatch an enemies victory points and take them for my own

>>50320138
Cassian Dracos

>>50320138
Cassian Dracos Reborn looks pretty much like a Dreadnaught for me, given he's not an IC but he's got a name and so on.

>>50320138
Cassian Dracos, the first Legion master of the Salamanders, now in a Dread forged by Lord Vulkan himself. Inmune to melta, lance and other shit, with IWND. And then you Obsidian forge it...
He survives Istvaan

>>50319972
I ran 5-man squads of teleporting Imperial Fists with 1 Chainfist, 3 Power Fists, 2 combi-plasma, and 1 plasma blasters. I can field 25 terminators in 3 to 5 squads. They tend to make really fuck up the enemy's heavy infantry and can threaten armour too.

>>50320126
For PotL, DG can have 30 footslogging Deathshroud, 9 Grave Wardens+Typhon in a Spartan and Mortarion @ 2500

I've no idea whether this would even do anything against any list, but that's 60 wounds of running terminators

>>50320216
>25 teleporters
Thats crazy, i'm the >>50320184 NL guy and i can never do more than one teleport squad since they're probably not gonna turn up till turn 4 with my rolling, which i've learned to utilise properly for late-game objective snatching. What else do you use in your army to survive until the hammers strike?

>>50320208
Is he in the same Dreadnought that Bray'arth Ashmantle is?

>>50320126
>>50319953
I would say salamanders. They seem like the one you truly love.

>>50320261
Ok that's a lot of termies

>>50320285
2 to 3 units of 20-man tactical squads with attached apothecaries, a couple dreadnoughts. I'm very lucky in that my play group are basically all playing out of BaC or BoP boxes with some tanks from 40k so we don't have to deal with AP 3 Large Blast spam. We're still having a grand old time playing massive infantry battles.

>>50320285
Accounts like yours make me think a LR Proteus / Damocles Rhino is almost mandatory when relying on teleports

Children of Sicarius or The Thirteenth Wolf anyone?

>>50320216
I plan on a similare loadout for my 5 man cataphractii, but I'm trying to find a use for the tartaros from Prospero.

>>50320184
The lightning claws lets you re-roll wounds and adds an extra attack, seems nice for munching normal marines and later sweep with tartaros. Power swords are cheaper thought, so I don't know if the bonuses are worth the points.


>>50320012
I'd take combi plas myself, but seems like a flexible loadout. Not a fan of the flamer thought, but the overwatch is kind of nice when I think about it.

>>50320355
I think LClaw + Volkite > 2Claws

>>50320318
Still sounds like the meta over there is rather tame. Where I play most people also mostly build their armies using B@C and BoP, but if you got units in reserve that don't turn up in time your army gets fucking murdered.

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>>50320126
Colour isn't an argument, but Salamanders are THE sledgehammer

>>50320323
When your entire army is teleporting, flying or outflanking, its necessary to have it for reliability. Especially if you have enemy meme legionaries with their reserves denial shenanigans around. For me, since its only a tenth of my army most games, its not mandatory to have them turn up turn 2, and it can be a great way to snatch a victory when both sides big guns have been ground away in turns 3/4.
>>50320355
When you can do four-five wounds more than your enemy then sweep with a squad thats something like 75 points cheaper, its better. Lightining claws are good on cataphracts/indomitus, but its not necessary on Tartaros due to sweeping meaning you only need to take of a few wounds before running them down. Basically, four cheap squads is probably better than three kitted out ones in the vast majority of cases

>>50320408
>Colour isn't an argument
Eh? I would hate to paint a couple of dozen models in a scheme I didn't like.

>>50320192
>>50320200
>>50320208
oh like that
i thought he meant they had a dread character in the literal meaning

>>50320442
Thanks for replying exactly how I would have done while I was taking a shower :^)

Ok, definitely starting Xana II Mechanicum to get into 30k after asking a few questions here over the last week or so. I'll have an excuse to spend some money come Christmas and my War Convocation is all done save the Knight.

Thing is, I'm torn between Legio Cybernetica and Ordo Reductor for my starting army, so I was planning on something like this for my starting buy.

Ordo Reductor forces: 6 Thallax, 20 Thralls, 2 Artillery tanks, Magos Reductor.

Legio Cybernetica, 2 Castellax with Darkfire, Scoria, Magos Dominus.

Expand later with a Lightning or 3 Vorax to run with Scoria.

Sound good for a game around 1500-2k pts? Going to paint them in Taghmata Scoria colours, obviously. This means I can field everything with a primary+ allied detachment, and it all seems to work together quite well.

>>50320466
He should be a character. He's the former legion master, who survived all the way from their inception and exemplary battle in the Earth's mantle until a few years before Vulkan's arrival, he also has a Warlord Trait, an alternate profile with Cybermancy and survives Istvaan.
>>50320442
>>50320582
But he already had 40k sallies and he's literally saying he likes the scheme. That means it wasn't a problem. Unless he doesn't want to repeat that colour, but had he meant so he'd have said the same stuff he said about the Fists. But it's a good point, yeah.

>>50319972
Tartaros are for purging scoring, not fighting other elites. Claws are good.

>>50320588
>Scoria, Magos Dominus
wat, do you mean you'll use the dominus model for Scoria?
With Mechanicum, it pays to specialise. Reductor through scoring tanks, cybernetica through saturation of robots

>>50320354
You beat me to it.

>>50320380
That could work, I have not considered a single claw.

>>50320428
Good point!

>>50320261
>>50320307
Speaking of Deathshroud, would I be fucking nuts to footslog these terminators? They seem like they'd be better at it than every other variety due to their wounds and their ability to run and sweep, plus fluffy

>>50320597
The true problem is, that I never was that undecided about what Marine army to get next (I had BT, Salamanders, Jiffies, still have said above IF) . I'm torn between the 3 since several weeks. I have a B@C and a BoP Box sitting here as a cheap foundation for my future army so that I can pump the real $ into non-generic FW units, but I can't decide for shit. That's why I decided to let the luck of somebody else on this board decide, since I like all 3.

>>50319953
Bumping myself in the name of the Emperor... or the former Warmaster.

>>50320715
Well they don't fear Phosphex, that's a thing. The only thing that could hurt them would be regular Medusae. If you get rid of that, then you're auric.

>>50320637
You both beat me to it.

>>50320673
It depends on what you're sending your LClaws at, since an entire squad is expensive. You can give a squad lightning claws for shredding and an extra attack, or you can gain another two termies and a meltabomb/powerfist. If you expect to run into any enemy termies, take Powerfists so you can kill them easily. Powerfists are great because they instant death 2w guys like Justaerin, deathshroud and firedrakes, all of which are ded'ard. Beware anything that strikes with AP2 at initiative though
>>50320715
less stupid than most but still stupid. You could Pride and MSU them for like ten units of three for 1250 points, and they'd still be pretty capable. Medusa will fucking murder them, but if you have ten squads and some AV support it could work

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>>50320756
Death Guard

>>50319953
Death Guard, then.

>>50320788
No cups for me? I-it's alright. W-who needs honours and medals, r-right?

>>50320770
Damn it you three!

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>>50320788
Dubs decided. DG it is. What allegiance shall I choose?

>>50320851
neither

>>50320851
Go full traitor, then you can access their cool units. They're kinda lackluster without their Primarch or their unique Terminators

>>50320851
Go Traitor, burn the loyaleests from their holes with poison and phosphex

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>>50320851
Do you need to? Morturg is awesome, so are Rask and Typhon and Mortarion. Pick both
But you have to vote for Mortarion's Unbroken blades in the polls!
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11458318

>>50320865
Neither Deathshroud nor Grave Wardens are traitor specific ;^)

>>50320851
Loyalist.

>>50320884
Well I don't know what I've been smoking then. I always assumed Deathshroud were traitor only since they're Morty's bodyguard.

>>50320914
we've been wondering why they're not since book one

Heavy weapons support marines are just the worst.
135pts for 15 heavy bolter shots on 5 normal marines and take up a heavily contested slot.
Whereas quad heavy bolters are 120pts for 18 twin linked HB shots, T7 from shooting, and can lose 3 marines before losing effective unit firepower.
I hope FW sorts that out.

>>50320959
Yeah but heavy wepons squads dont get their draw from HBs, HBs are shit

People take HW squads for Autocannons, lascannons, and maybe even culverins if you like CHOOMs

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Thinking of having Volkite Calivers/Chargers in my army. My thought is to convert a synaptic disintegrator into something more Mars "techy".

Thoughts of my masterpiece in Paint?

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What legion has the best banter

>>50320984
Volkites are already sexy, they dont need changing.

But if you insist on it, your paint masterpiece does look pretty cool

>>50320715
Just use the loyalist DG psyker dude and inflitrate three Deathshroud, have fun.

>>50320993
Iron Warriors, Raven Guard are Australian/oceanian so they've probably got sick bantz, Kharn's a pretty clever guy too

>>50320354
>>50320770
>>50320830
Who's Alpharius?

>>50320993
IW have good bitter-banter, as WB already know

but the Khan's god-tier roast on Fulgrim provides enough bants for the entire WS legion

In the A Thousand Sons novel, is the snake demon that Magnus deals with Tzeentch itself or one of its goons?

>>50320997

it is more of a question of money for me. I can easily get some leftover disintegrators than buying from Forgeworld.
Volkites are sexy though so it is more of a solution than dislike for the volkite look.

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>>50320884
Voted, and I think I'm gonna go traitor for a change after being Loyal for nearly 18 years in the hobby.

I honestly want to make every legion except Word Bearers. I will have 15 Tartaros and 50 Mk III left over from my BoP boxes. What's a good traitor legion to take advantage of those models?

I also have the bits for 5 missile launchers, 13 melta guns, 13 plasma guns, 15 flamers, and 15 power armour-sized combi-weapons.

I'm thinking of modeling and casting some combi-pistol bolters, would anyone be interested?

>>50321037
One of Tzeentch greater daemons I bet.

>>50321054
Emperor's children, traitor IH, DG, IW, WE with chainaxes

>>50320993
lunar wolves when they aren't sucking daddies cock

>>50320632
No, Scoria will be converted from a whole bunch of stuff, the Dominus model among them. The extra Dominus is there for when I am playing low-points and casual games where dropping a Primarch-level model on someone would be poor form.

Specialising seems doable, I can fit all the robots I need in a single Aliied Detatchment, so they get the +1I and Scoria gets a fancy Cortex Controller, and everything else gets Walkers In Ruin. The only thing I lose from that is Scoria's Warlord Trait, and that's no big deal since it only works outside CC range anyway.

Also, by having LC be secondary detatchment, I dont suffer from the "D3 points for control loss" problem.

>>50321113
By specialising in either Toughness models (robots) or armour (scoring tanks) you can overwhelm someones ability to deal with it effectively. A plasma support squad will kill off a unit of castellax and attached Dominus, but it'll struggle against four units of robots or massed tanks. Similarly, melta/lascannons/similar will have trouble against massed robots. Thats why specialisation is the best way to succeed for taghmata. You can mix and match, and it'll probably be more balanced against basic footslogging Legion lists, but you'll get destroyed by well-played armies. Just a heads up, you do your thing and spend your money on what you think is cool

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>>50320993
Iron Warriors have australian-tier banter

>>50321013
>Raven Guard are Australian
Source?

So what are the chances of White Scars getting a special Katana unit?

>>50321179
Ah, I see your point. I think that the aforementioned Cybernetica detachment will be essentially all of those in my army, and I'll expand into Reductor. Those seem cooler to me than the robots, but I wanted a few to be an "honour guard" of sorts for Scoria and because the Castellax and Vorax look good.

Most of the lists I saw at the FLGS were fairly casual anyway, lots of footslogging stuff.

>>50321329
They're stated to come from Oceania, which encompasses Australia. Plus their whole sneaky cheeky beakie surprise thing, and their totem animals being terrifying beasts of RIP N TEAR charcaradons, anyone?

>>50321345
They're Mongols not nips you fucking weeb

They're more likely to get a unit full of sabre wielding dudes which is what I already run my vets as

But a unit full of katana dude would be pretty cool t.b.h

>>50321345
If they were, I wouldn't take them because they'd be targeted first since their killing power is feared and respected.

>>50321416
They also get bonuses to-hit against characters and autocannon heavy support squads

>>50321345
I hope they get a death squad with feel no pain, who can't score.

>>50321471
They have a rite of war for that.

>>50321484
Shit, I forgot about that.

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>>50321386

>>50321547
So weeb juggalos, essentially?

It's been 5 months and I still can't get over how stupid Alpharius' plan in praetorian of dorn was

>>50321638
Can't believe he's gone.

>>50321386
What did you use for your sabres?

Alright, 3/4 of the way through Master of Mankind
There honestly aren't really many spoilers, you could probably guess the plot of the book reasonably accurately. It's well-written however.

Of note I guess is that the Emperor considers the Primarchs as simply creations;weapons and tools, and refers to them by creation number instead of name and as 'It' when in the company of people who won't give a shit about sentimentality.

The Custodes do indeed have anti-grav vehicles and their own Dreads. Land's own Raider is also antigrav.

>>50321638
Hubris is kind of his thing. If his plan failed it probably never occurred to him that Dorn could identify him, let alone beat him in a fight.

>>50321782
Kek, I expected ADB to shit on the emperor but the madman's knocked it out of the park.

I eagerly await the revelation that he was literally Hitler

>>50321872
I'm unsurprised that the unrepentant Night Lords fanboy shat on the Emperor.

>>50321872
>I eagerly await the revelation that he was literally Hitler
I could see it, the technology gained was probably worth more to Him than the lives lost.

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>>50321380
You can think of them as australian if you want, but they aren't stated to come from Oceania, in fact they're stated to be asians from the desert regions. Since I can't post multiple images in one post, here's the link to places of dust and desert.
Yeah, this doesn't take climate change or continental movement into account, but then again what does "Asia" mean in 30 000 years?
http://www.goes-r.gov/users/comet/EUMETSAT/at_dust/print.htm
>A xerocole (from Greek xēros /ˈzJroʊs/, meaning "dry", and Latin col(ere), meaning "to inhabit"), commonly referred to as a desert animal, is an animal adapted to live in the desert.
Just don't expect to be in the good graces of the Raven Lord if you go with the Xeric theme.

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>>50321616
>FUCKING KATANAS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

>>50321785
I still find it strange that Alpharius decided that the best way to humble Dorn was to fight him in a dual, rather than luring him into a trap. Like not even having a suicide vortex bomb on your person, just in case ? I always thought that having multiple backup plans was a big part of the XXth. The whole ending made the Alpha Legion like such amatures.

Meanwhile the more direct master of precision application of brute force Perturabo does lure Dorn into a trap instead of fightin him one on one. Like come on, if even an autist like that knows what the better plan is why did BL decide that half the primarch known for planning ahead even for remote possible scenario's had to completely fuck up.

>>50321919

To be fair, if i was old enough to remember geologic eras, I wouldn't have much respect for anything either.

>>50321978
Alpharius' entire plan is to go 'look at all this shit I did that you didn't see coming or could do much about just so I could engineer a face-to-face with you to deliver this mess-urk shit I'm dead"

>>50321872
Man, why is ADB so angry at his dad?

>>50322008
You forgot the desperately trying to make "Muh Victory" a meme

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>>50322035
>"trying"

>>50321923
It's probably a reference to the Gobi Desert because most of the 30k's references are either very obvious (like how the Atlantic Ocean is now a barren, dusty wasteland as revealed in Nemesis) or named in reference to some real-life or antiquity region (Hy Brasil, Achaemenid Empire, Yndonesic Bloc, etc.)

Because you're supposed to read the names, gasp in recognition, and go "That's what happened to Iran!"

>>50321782
Mind providing spoilers?

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>>50321782
>That spoiler
>Especially when He fixed Omegon's broken body after the Scattering, and how He couldn't bring Himself to kill Horus His favourite son.

>>50321736
Khorne berzerker sabres with the chaos parts filed off

The sabres are sheathed and they have their bolters in their hands

>>50322075
It doesn't even make sense at all mind you.

In vengeful spirit when he talks mano a mano to Malc he calls Roboute, Alpharius and the Lion by name

>>50322075
Maybe big E is getting sentimental on his old day ?

Or it is going to be another BL retconn to make sure things make absolutely no sense.

>90% of the Thousand Sons still chilling somewhere in space.

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>>50322065
I like to think they're from Kazajstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and those Stans that used to be part of the USSR and nobody remembers
>>50322092
Well he wouldn't call you Jizz Sample #13 to your face, would He?
>>50322105
I don't know anymore.

>>50322077
Good idea.

>>50322066
Like what, a plot rundown? You could literally guess it bar some details. I don't mind, if you want some info.
>>50322075
>>50322092
When he does it he's talking first to Land while they medically examine Angron to see if the Nails can come out - who percieves him as the perfect disspassionate scientist, and then to a Custode who thinks the Primarchs were a mistake, of whom he seems emotionally attached to (all of the Custodes, not just this guy)
ie
there's wriggle room that he's acting or being percieved how the listener would be respond to

>>50322134
That's literally my point.

He isn't talking to them, he's talking to his best bud.

Thus the spoiler doesn't make sense

>>50322154
*how the listener would best respond to.

>>50322154
Well a summary of sorts, and new shit that we didn't know about beforehand

So each Calth tactical veteran sprue comes with enough chests and arms to make 2 to 3 marines (depending on how you're equipping them). What's the best way to source a 12-18 Mk 4 legs?

>>50322154
It almost sounds like the Emperor is a bit manipulative.

>>50322191
Just model them all wading through waist-high water.

>>50322191
ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Space-Marine-Legion-MKIV-Tactical-Squad-LEGS-x-10-Horus-Heresy-30K-/401029583787?hash=item5d5f39d3ab:g:B8sAAOSw71BXPjsl

>>50322075
>Especially when He fixed Omegon's broken body after the Scattering
What? Source?

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>>50322249
Not a source, a conjecture. If Alpharius was the half that was sucked by the portal, then Omegon is the half that got left behind.
And Alpharius is stated to be "more machine than man" in Praetorian of Dorn.
As in, >>50322237's link is a good source to model 10 Omegons

>>50322237
Thanks for the link. I don't understand how the shipping from the upside-down is cheaper than the shipping from the US but I'll take it!

>>50322268
You sure that was Alpharius and not Silonius?

And let's not mention that in seventh serpent he faked augmentics

>>50322274
No problem mate.
>>50322268
kek

Anyone know a good source for the sm command squad apothecary backpacks?
Someone on an old thread was talking about making a MkIII Apothecary model, and I want to try it.

>>5032217
Imperial Webway is bolted onto an Eldar nexus city. The Eldar all ran away when the Imperials turned up. The ruined area beyond it up toward the breach is called Magnus' Folly.
The Emp sits on the throne holding a psychic shield over the whole Imperial Webway, if he were to get off it would collapse immediately. He issues orders by summoning a Custode Tribune into his memories. Mal and Dorn are left to their own devices above, Emps isn't impressed they are losing the war.
The Custode Tribune is the only one left, the other 2 are dead, they were the 3 senior guys under Valdor. The Imperials are losing the Webway War as well; not just daemons are attacking them now, the World Eaters and Legio Audax have also somehow got inside.
The Emperor orders that the Webway army gets reinforced; there is literally no-one left in the Sol system to send except a Knight House that were locked up for briefly being traitors before learning the truth, the last Mechanicum troops and a lone Blood Angel cripple. Arkhan Land decides to go along as well because he's baller
The first memory the Emperor shares is of his childhood. In some mud-hut shithole in ancient middle east (like really fucking ancient, pre-Hittite) his job was to clean up corpses for burial by moulding mud to their bodies to make them look whole. He was good at it due to psychic powers. When he gets given his father's skull to fix up he is able to discern how his father died; struck in the head by his uncle, murdered. He goes to his uncle and kills him by stopping his heart.

might add some more. the actual plot is just the fighting in the webway, which goes how you expect

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>>50322297
It's Alpharius: I'm not sure about anything anymore. I'm talking about the excerpt here. Isn't Alpharius the figure sitting on the throne wearing ornate armour that Archamus notes as moving strange and Dorn recognizes as his brother?

>>50322344
>there is literally no-one left in the Sol system


Is it explained what the hell happened to the Imperial Fists?

And how did Angron's lot get in there?

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>>50322344
>Magnus' Folly.
Those are some gud spoilers. 100/10 will read ASAP.

>>50322344
>that last spoiler
Emps does have a heart after all.

>>50322383
>And how did Angron's lot get in there?
I'd assume from the other side, perhaps with help of some chaos daemon assistance to locate a nearby exit the Eldar closed after the fall.

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>>50322403
Aaaaayyy

>>50322383
The Fists are all deployed in the system fighting the Solar War. Dorn says he will send some down but Valdor points out he will be stripping men from the walls and there's only around 3 or 4 companies of Fists actually on the planet.
And no idea, not explained so far.

>>50322403
50,000 years of existence will probably erode whatever heart you once had.

>>50322349
Best thing about Alpha Legion is that everything is so vague and uncertain that almost nothing clashes with your headcanon.

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>>50322344
>The Imperials are losing the Webway War as well; not just daemons are attacking them now, the World Eaters and Legio Audax have also somehow got inside.

>>50322426
So wait, this story takes place immediately prior to the siege of Terra, right?

>>50322460
I wouldn't say immediately, but soon. The Solar War (trademark) has begun but everyone's not panicking yet. It's more just like they all know they're gonna lose.

>>50322344
Fucking kek, I'm just imagining the WE got in there by sheer force of anger

Like one day an exceptionally angry world eater blacks out from uncontrollable anger and wakes up in the webway, and just thinks to himself "fuck it" and starts killing everything that moves

WE best legion

>>50322344
wait, if they're already losing the webway war before the siege of Terra, how the hell did they hold off the daemons for the following 10.000 years ?!

>>50322480
Just like me the week prior to finals.

>>50322525
I think Horus dies

>>50322556
Fucking hell man spoiler that shit

>>50322568
Speculation nothing more.

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>>50322577
>post yfw it's actually the emperor that dies and Horus ends up on the throne

Alright second lot of 'spoilers', the book is good but it's mostly all entirely fighting in the Webway and the Emperor revealing his entire plan to the Custode Tribune dude, and the plan is pretty much what we all already know, so no huge revelations. The Emps is utterly devoted to ensuring humanity survives and his plan would have totally worked if it weren't for Horus and Magnus fucking it all up, he's dedicated his entire existence to it and has no interest in glory, worship, personal anything and rejects people saying he's arrogant and power hungry completely, everything, everything goes to the plan and he has no time for any bullshit. He does indeed manipulate the primarchs and people in general to this end but tries to be nice about it, however the ends would have justifed the means

Drach'nyen is a daemon born at the moment of the first murder. He/It seems to be intent on confronting the Emperor
The other memories are the Emps and Land examining Angron to see if they can get the Nails out, they can't without killing him, Emps decides that even though the Twelfth has reduced lifespan and ruined tactical acumen as compared to his design, he could still be of use so returns him to his legion instead of offing him
we also see Ullanor and the Emp admitting he did the Triumph and all the Imperial pomp and shit because he knows the Primarchs and the people need that kind of emotional manipulation
He also explains why he can't guide everyone perfectly by showing the Custode a memory of standing at the base of a cliff - the future is the top, you can see it; climb the cliff. The Custode loses his grip on a rock that looked solid but wasn't and falls. Yes, the Emperor says.
When asked why he lets the Primarchs, especially the Sixteenth, call him father, he basically says that he's Gieseppo to Horus' Pinnochio.

I think I can do one more

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>>50322597

>>50322597
Honestly with all the retarded twists it wouldn't surprise me

>Horus beat emps so badly he made him bald
>emperor pulls off his kamikaze but only wounds Horus and dies
>rogal thinks Horus is emps and chucks him on the throne

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>>50322597

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>>50322597

>>50322610
>Drach'nyen is a daemon born at the moment of the first murder.
Neat

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>>50322640
Must have been when a bacteria killed another one for the first time.

>>50322671
Do bacteria have souls?

>>50322671
You could say phagocytosis changed everything.
>>50322610
1000/10 I gotta get that book. Whatever ADB's dad pushed up his son's butt I'm glad he did.

>>50322671
There's a big difference between "murder" and "kill", the former implies far more emotional connection, something strong enough to actually coalesce in the warp.
Especially if it was the first time ever.
It would also make that daemon literally billions of years old, nearly as old as intelligent life itself.

Last one until I finish, lesser stuff mostly

The Black Ships are ordered to switch from collecting people for Astropath etc training to simple industrial hoovering up of all psykers
The Fire Wasps are present, as are Custodes, Sisters and everything in the Mechanicum army lists
The Blood Angel is from the Crusader Host, he didn't get picked for any combat roles because he lost his arms in battle and augmetics won't take to him without malfunctioning, so he's combat ineffective. He's titled Bringer of Sorrow which is rad but hasn't been explained yet
The loyalist Mechanicum are super salty about Mars being in traitor hands and increasingly only support the Emperor because without him they can't get back to Mars
A good chunk of the book describes the journey from the palace down to the Webway gate, it's really well written, the Eternity Gate is awesome etc. It becomes obvious that this road was meant to be the way humanity travelled to the stars once that whole pesky spaceship shit was done away with; what becomes the Throne Room was really meant to be the Departure Lounge

I think i'm forgetting stuff. I'm nearly at the end, I expect much death, people are already getting bumped off and everyone's acting like the Imperials are totally fucked.

>>50322787
Well when you finish it would you mind revealing the ending, the fate of the characters and your personal thoughts on it?

Also wasn't there supposed to be a SW squad In the book as well?

>>50322787
>the Throne Room was really meant to be the Departure Lounge
Baller as fuck

Those Spoilers. MUST NOT READ THE SPOILERS. MUST NOT READ THE SPOILERS.

>>50322881
They aren't anything shocking desu, certainly not Praetorian of Worn tier

>>50322441
He had to throw out it in the end but he still has in before the Siege.

>>50322829
No Wolves, only marines are the Blood Angel, Dorn if he counts and a bunch of nameless Fists standing about saluting. Ullanor is like 1 page of description, the rest is the Emperor explaining the point of it all to the Tribune.
oh i remembered something
It's pretty much confirmed the Custodes exterminated the Thunder Warriors. One of them wonders if they were to do the same to the Astartes. There are 300 Custodes early in Unification, who are the Emperor's personal guard, they get expanded to 10,000 later (and are called The Ten Thousand amongst themselves and by the E. The Emperor seems actually honestly quite attached to the Custodians, seeing each of them as unique works of art he's proud of creating. The first Custodian to 'die', the Emperor is having none of it and has him personally made into a Dreadnought (the first one?) Of course this feeling/info is stuff only communicated through him talking with the Tribune, so it could be part of his manipulations

>>50322610
Based Empy.

Aaron did say the book would be disappointing for people looking for big revelations and super sekreets.
I'm fine with him doing that, his depictions of fights are my favorite in 40k.

Why is "Must Sweeping Advance" a downside? Scoria and Decima's WTs have it for their robots, and so does some WE stuff IIRC. Why would you NOT SA if you could?

>>50323028
Because an opponent might abuse it and have you sweep into something your unit couldn't handle.
Now it doesn't really apply to Scoria, Decima and the Robots (monstrous creatures and otherwise more than capable of manhandling anything shy of a Titan), but for marines this can suck big time.

>>50323075
I don't get it. Surely Sweeping leaves you in the same place as the combat, just with the enemy possibly dead instead of running?

>>50320993
IF

> The Traitors are charging this position.
> Indeed they are Brother.
> Yes.
> Yes.

>>50323136
yeah, nevermind, had the old (like 3rd and 4th edition) version of the rule in mind, which could bring you into new combats...

If you stay in place with nobody in combat (ideally you kill their last dude on their close combat round so you can move normally), you'll be standing still, out in the open, with no cover. In a very gun rich environment. Might not be the healthiest life-choice...

>>50322075
> The Phantom Pain wouldn't go away

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>>50323181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iHFGxZblOo

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>>50322787
this road was meant to be the way humanity travelled to the stars once that whole pesky spaceship shit was done away with
The Imperial Palace was going to be the Imperial Jaunt Station
FUCKING MAGNUS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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PSA- for everyone who bought the Burning of Prospero box, the Chainfist bits fit perfectly onto the Plasmaguns.

What are you working on /HHG/? Going to start in on my predators and Leviathan now.

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>>50323739
The last time I saw a plasma gun with a bayonet was in Dawn of War. Dammit I like that faceplate a lot.

>>50323739
Tinkering with various spare parts to come up with a nice scenic base for my Anacharis Scoria build. So far the plan is him standing on a half-buried Knight faceplate, and to the side a downed Space Marine, backed into a barricade, desperately points his Bolt Pistol at him.

>>50323794
I got the inspiration from DoW too. DoW and the Gaunts Ghosts series are to blame for my obsession with this universe.
The knives I have wouldn't have worked, so I gave the bit a shot and it lined up perfectly.
It is how I am marking my plasma support squad Sgt's now.

>>50323810
If you really want to hate yourself, you could model the marine firing- an actual projectile, smoke, flash, etc.

>>50323842
I'm tempted, but not only would that be a hassle, I almost don't want the scene to look like a battle. Scoria is terrifying, and the marine is aiming his pistol and knows it will do fuck all.

Scoria isn't even looking at him. I want him to seem like the main villain in Act 1 or a movie, just stalking through the horror while his Mooks and redshirts die around him. He's a Mook Horror Show.

Wondering what legion to make the marine. Possibly Iron Hands? They have such an "endurance" theme it would fit.

>>50323961
1) You could have the Scoria passively raising a hand to stop the pistol round, almost like a token show of resistance
2) Iron Warriors instead.

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>*CHOOM* intensifies

>>50322031
Likely his dad hated his son wanting to be a writer and beat the shit out of him for it

>>50323990
he's just putting the tip of his finger into the barrel of the pistol like "no"

>>50320208
wasn't he the baddest legion commander ever before his internement ? the dude was chosen personally by the emperor, survived the tempest galeries and all the shit the XVIII had to get throught until Vulkan arrived.

>>50322268
It's in the novels that the twins were found together - Omegon reminisced about their scheming together >>50322274

>>50324020
If you're going for that almost lulzy feel, do it

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/HHG/, what is your stance on bayonets? I watched vid related and have been disillutioned ever since. Is there any circumstance where bayonets are worth it? Hell, cityfight, ZM and infiltrarion are the only scenarios where the infantry on foot isn't rendered obsolete by the artillery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuFxa9Vcbvs
>>50324044
Yes indeed, he was a badass.

>>50324053
Wtf didn't Alpharius boarded Horus' ship and whenever tha later asked if a world they visited was his homeworld he would always say "no"?

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>>50323739
Taking a break from painting Veterans to finally assemble 30 Tactical marines. Desperately trying to make them remotely interesting so I don't go mad painting them.

>>50324059
I'll raise you with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3UN4gLLPPc&t=0s

>>50322671
No it's in the free extract it's the first human killed intentionally with a weapon by another human

>>50324059
Well, in a realistic, grounded setting, maybe bayonets don't make sense. But this is 30/40k, where it's pretty common have 7ft tall superhumans running up to the enemy and twatting them with a sword. I think bayonets are perfectly fair in this setting.

>>50324077
And? I think the hints suggest they ended up on a space station and then just grew up traveling on space ships until they had their own pirate fleet

>>50324139
Just why is it that the warp revolves around humanity that much? The first murder happened when the Eldar were at the height of their power and humans couldn't even write or harvest. I heard something about WW1 and Verdun having some effect in the warp but it's sort of ridiculous how the events of a single planet which isn't even in the middle of nowhere, but rather at the side of nowhere, affect a whole dimention.
Then again, there's the Emperor...

>>50324142
Indeed, but I'm asking for a fictional circumstance, srry if I didn't specified it. Example, IRL trench warfare originated because advances in mobility didn't catch up with advances on firepower, which meant the defender held the advantage and the only way to advance was actually by outflanking or by forcing a difficult breakthrough. Essentially it was pike fighting all over except the metaphorical pikes were ranged and effective at hundreds of yards long.

So maybe infantry in the future is better armoured and can indeed get close, but then why would they be vulnerable to a short spear when a machinegun that shoots miniature rockets fails to keep them at range?

>>50323990
Yes, I suppose Iron Warriors would work better. I'd have to paint hazard stripes, but I suppose it's only one model. Might have Scoria raising a claw towards the marine, but he's attached to a Triarch Stalker, not really in position to >>50324020

Now I need to figure out Scoria's weapons. Two Archaotech pistols, a Flamer, inferno pistol, photon thruster and the Vodian Sceptre is a bit hard to represent accurately.

Was going to have the Stalker's underslung Necron gun be replaced by a Kheres assault cannon, and have him holding a rad-cleanser and a bunch of mechadendrite arms.
Sceptre will be a Necron staff converted into a mace with a little greenstuff.

>>50319862
What should be my first Mechanicum purchase, fellow Dominus Anonuses?

>>50324212
Humans are superfuel to the warp.
Eldar are like shitty russian diesel that's mostly a piece of dirt a cow once farted on. Slaanesh just has a hard-on for them in particular because they created it.

>>50324212
Even non-psyker humans are psychic enough to make an imprint on the warp, but unlike the Eldar they don't have the control over the latent abilities.

>>50324059
the video is obviously biased
heck it completly neglects to mention Suvorov or the general use of the bayonet at all. it just goes pikes > bayonet is invented > the Prussians didn't like the bayonet.
The bayonet in a gunfight is not a killing weapon , it's a terror weapon. since the earliest wars one side has collectively shit its pants and ran away from the other side.
if you keep taking potshots at an entrenched enemy you're not going to dislodge them. getting them out requires a charge. and this is where the bayonet comes in. It shows that the attackers are willing and prepared to fight hand to hand and quite often the defenders will realize they're outnumbered and turn run the fuck away.

on top of that the bayonet would still be usefull in 40k considering the amount of melee focused enemies mankind faces. it only fell into irrelevance in real life because armies stopped using cavalry charges

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>>50324230
Tech thralls and Castellax dudes, my nigra.

Alternatively, I've been thinking about purchasing this bundle for a while, even though it isn't really conducive to a good army list.

>>50324281
I've been looking at the Cybernetica Battlegroup. No thralls, but several Castellax. And Thallax, which are like the coolest unit in 30k.

>>50324212
>trying to apply real military logic to 40k
Seriously anon, just stop. That way lies madness.

But to kind of answer your question, one of the major things space marines have going for them is the ability to run headlong into gunfire and make it to the enemy. The long-range pike concept doesn't really hold with these fuckers.

>>50324274
Hell I still hear about an embush where french finished the fight with bayonets in afghanistan something like...6 years ago because it was so gruesome. We lost "just" 11 men but it got a lot of publicity because of the fact that it ended with bayonets.
CQC is no joke.

>>50324268
>>50324248
Superfuel? But all Eldar are psychic, and they don't have emotions. They have obsessions. Sounds like warp superfuel material.
>>50324274
Of course it's biased. All information is biased. That's why I'm asking you guys, and thank you for your (You).
Yes indeed, the bayonet is a morale weapon, like yesterday someone in 40kg commented how he Sweep Advanced an ork squad with guardsmen and bayonets (I2 melee race), but in the Last Church Olathaire comments how the Emperor's Thunder warriors (I think) swept everybody with chainswords, and the DG/WE fluff talks about heavy knives and dedicated blades, while also mentioning marines going to town on the enemy using only their bare gauntlets.
>>50324303
B-but I want fantasy answers anon.
>>50324352
A surprise attack sounds like a good reason.

>>50324281
Why is the Mechanicum so much pure and undilluted sex?
Even the tarpit looks fucking damned sexy

>>50324391
I have honestly no idea. I presume the FW sculptors are so happy at a break from Space Marines and Land Raiders they pour their hearts and souls into every Admech or Solar Auxilia model they do.

This is why I'm doing everything I can to make my Scoria awesome. I have to make something that won't embarrass me sitting next to the best looking army in the whole damn game.

If i want to make a Blood Angels force that i could play in both 40k and 30k, is Betrayal at Cuck a good Place to start?

>>50324371
Like I said, all Eldars have control over their psychic abilities. Humans don't.

>>50324371
It's the entire setting dawg, Chaos goes mental for humans, they want those tasty snacks. Humans are evolving into a psychic race like Eldar but for whatever reason have brighter soulfires and have no innate understanding of psychic power, they're uncontrolled. Thus they will doom the galaxy unless the Emperor finds his way to avoid using the warp and to shield everyone until he can first train groups and ultimately guide that race evolution oh ooops the chaos gods manipulated Horus to stop that happening, time to feeeeeeed yadda yadda you know.

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>>50324230
Thallax.

>>50324485
Yup, they're pretty high on my "get this shit" list. I love the models.

Also people reposting my image = yaay.

Would you hug a Thallax if it was sad? Would you get it a cupcake on its birthday?

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>>50324455
>>50324479
Woe us who are so tasty...

>>50324452
It's a pretty decent force but i'm wondering how it holds up competitively, i've never played 30k

>>50324515
I would but I'm scared it'd interperet any physical contact as que to apply heavy chainblade to potential threat.

The Thirteenth Wolf link?

>>50324571
Could you start buying every other book please? Or maybe 1 in 3, just to cut down the begging in these threads a little.

>>50322881
>MUST NOT READ THE SPOILERS. MUST NOT READ THE SPOILERS.

I'm right there with ya.

>>50324515
>Jack Reacher: There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's a family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next, you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want a legal means of killing other people.
I don't know. Just what kind of people becomes Thallax? The loyal ones become Skitarii, the failures become those radioactive Vanguards, the criminal ones become combat servitors.
For real what kind of person becomes a Thallax? It doesn't matter, feelings are foreign to them after the removal of the emotion centers of the brain.

Alright lads, please r8 my list and provide as much constructive criticism as you can.

Raven Guard with Solar Aux allies, 2,499 points, Decapitation Strike RoW.

- Praetor w/Raven's Talons, digilasers, refractor field, meltabombs and a jump pack

- Apothecary w/ Jump pack

- 7 Mor Deythan all with combi-flamers in a Rhino with a multimelta

- 10 man Tac Squad w/CCW's, AA & MB on sergeant, also mounted in a Rhino with a multimelta

- 15 man assault squad, 3 poweraxes, AA & powerfist on sergeant

- 6 Dark Furies

- Fire Raptor Gunship, reaper autocannons and hellstrike missiles

Solar Aux allies
- Tank Commander in a Valdor Tank Hunter, selecting the Tank Hunter rule

- Veletaris Storm section in a Dracosan w/ Demolisher cannon and a flare shield

- 2 x Leman Russ Vanquishers w/ Lascannons

The idea is that the SA and Mor Deythan begin on the board, with the tanks hopefully cracking open any Spartans or occupying any superheavies my opponent will be fielding and the Mor Deythan rhino-rushing forward, disembarking and Fatal Striking some terrible unit to death on the first turn. The multimelta on their kamikaze taxi is there for any opportune targets.

The Praetor/Dark Fury squad and the assault squad deepstrike in in classic RG style and fuck up whatever infantry they find. The Tac squad outflanks mid-game to sit on an objective, again hoping to maybe bag a dread or something with the multimelta.

How do I get the best out of my Fire Raptor? Letting it start on the table and firing all the missiles at something, enabling the assault squads to get at the infantry in later turns? Or holding it in reserve and bringing it on to fuck shit up once my opponent has brought on a few of their reserves?

>>50324774
I get the impression becoming a thallax isn't something you get a choice in

>>50319912
Particularly honored bots would get dressed in legion color scheme and heraldry

>>50324774
You become a Thallax if an Ordo Reductor Magi notices he needs more troops instead of priests.

Hope he needs priests instead of troops.

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There any good 30k recasters? Is z alright in this area? I wanna field 60 assualt marines for world eaters with chain axes and I dint wanna fork over 700 dollerydoos

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>>50319912
>>50324840
I'd say yes.

>>50324974
It would only be 540. You would even get free shipping.

>>50324371
>Superfuel? But all Eldar are psychic, and they don't have emotions. They have obsessions. Sounds like warp superfuel material.
Too bad Slaanesh has a monopoly on Eldar souls.

>>50324974
I'm not going to lie man, Z's casts are diggity diggity dogshit and you get exactly what you pay for. You're probably going to have to put in a ton of work removing moldlines and rectifying slippage artifact if you buy from Z.

Love the idea of that many assault marines though, I feel like that was what FW envisioned when they originally drew up the rules for HH.

>>50324974
Just go ccon.

So I finished Master of Mankind.

The Imperials lose. The Mechanicum contingent (except the Titans) betray them and split off to find the Webway route to Mars. They all get killed in various hilarious ways.
The Sisters of Silence plug a thousand psykers from the Black Ships into the Golden Throne, giving it enough battery power for the Emperor to get off. He goes to rescue everyone that's retreating back to the palace
Turns out he can instantaneously teleport in combat, or at least do something that has the same effect. Literally dudes swinging swords at him and he's not there anymore and *teleports behind you* now his sword is in your back
He also has a super saiyan attack where he swings his sword and fire comes out in a wave, and in the fire are like, smoke-ghosts of the Imperial dead who form just long enough to fuck up the daemons and then dissipate. These smoke ghosts include Custodians, dreadnoughts and a certain dead primarch. It's more like a special effect to his fire attack than Aragorn's army of the dead, but it's pretty metal
So a thing happens that I'm putting in a separate spoiler and the Imperials all pull back to the palace. The Emperor, *very* regretfully, seals the gate. That's it, Imperial Webway is DONE. In a coda, the Emperor basically admits to a dude that his plan is capital F fucked and humanity is essentially doomed and there's nothing he or the Imperium can do except hold it off for as long as possible

okay so the next spoiler post will be the climax event of the book that you probably couldn't see coming exactly, so even if you've read the above I'd think twice about it if you want at least one surprise

>>50325219
Is his email still the same as on reditt currently? Their site is shut down.

>>50325075
Nigga, 594 gbp translates to 733 usd PLUS BONG TAX

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>>50325290
Fucking Magnus. And fucking Horus and fucking Lorgar.

>>50325290
The emperor must have watched a lot of anime.

>>50325290
Ghost Ferrus is a thing now? Didn't know Ferrus was his dad's stand.

>>50325439
Ghost Ferrus has been a thing since Vulkan Lives.

So the Emperor was invading the normal webway and not creating a human webway? How was this plan ever going to work in the first place?

The Eldar wouldnt have stood around and let that happen. Dark Eldar especially.

>>50325290
So this is the thing that you half see coming and half is a surprise that has some meaning for shit in 40K.
I think the rest of the plot of the entire book you could just guess very accurately in general terms, even the 'truth' behind the Emperor's actions, but the details are good and the book is well written, no purple prose, no shitty grammar. It's maybe a little more stilted than ADB's normal work, but that's because there's hardly anyone in the cast who can banter.

Anyway
Drach'nyen duels the Emp and wins, puts his claws right through him. Emp teleports away next to the Custodian Tribune who was the guy who learned all the Emp's secrets throughout the book.
Drach comes in for the finisher, forming into a familiar sword shape. The Emp somehow transfers the blow into the Custodian, but not as a wound, he essentially shunts Drach'nyen into the Custodian
For whatever reason - sheer willpower is mentioned but it's fairly obv the Emp has done something to the Custodian previously or they're all designed like it - Drach can't overpower and possess the dude like he has about a half dozen other people in the book. He's trapped within the Custodian.
The Emperor gives the Custodian "the last order he will ever receive: Run."
The Custodian takes off at a sprint into the mist of the Webway, all alone, Drach'nyen's jailer, as the Emperor sadly returns to the palace and ultimately shuts down the gateway

Apparently ADB's next Black Legion book will feature him getting Drach'nyen so...

The timing of Magnus' warning comes up again in this book:

The Custodians are talking about how they haven't heard anything from Aquillon when Magnus bursts through I can barely keep up on when or why BL keep changing this so dunno if that helps or hinders any previous info.

>>50325290
[spoiler ]>The Mechanicum contingent (except the Titans) betray them and split off to find the Webway route to Mars

Land seems like such a chill bro though, why would he fuck off like that? Also does this mean there's now no more mechanicum forces on terra? [/spoiler]

>>50325372
It's not 594 gbp you dolt.
Its 145 GBP per 20, then it is 335 GBP for 60.
335 GBP is about 540 USD.
You would get free shipping, and I don't remember tax.

Just get three of these.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKIV-Assault-Squad-Set

>>50325453
>The timing of Magnus' warning comes up again in this book:
When did they change it to sorry?

The Mechanicum contingent (except the Titans) betray them and split off to find the Webway route to Mars

Amazing, loyalist mechanicum getting btfo even more. I love it.

>>50325453
But wait, I thought the reason Emps didn't intervene during the Siege was because he was busy on the throne. Now what's the excuse for sitting on his ass?

BTW what happens to the BA cripple?

>>50325439
>Didn't know Ferrus was his dad's stand
Jesus fucking christ my sides
>>50325436
Teleporting is the right way of doing melee. And I'm talking mostly about Mortal Kombat

>>50325448
Maybe it was one of those unused corridors? Isn't most of the webway abandoned and in varying states of disrepair?

>>50325447
I thought that Ghost Ferrus was Vulkan's imagination.

>>50325439
Ghost primarchs are fucking cool

What, we've now got Ferrus as some kind of warp ghost, Alpharius as a psychic ghost inhabiting his legionnaires (don't deny it, you know it to be true), papa sang will probably become a ghost (inhabiting the sanguinor)

The only primarch who cant be a ghost will be Horus after getting absolutely BTFO'd by the Big E

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>>50325498
SHUT UUUP ORDO REDUCTOR LOYALISTS WHEN?!!!!

>>50325453
Thanks Anon.

If you're answering questions did it go into if Emps stole the power for the Primarchs at not his power itself on Molech?

I've argued this with Carnac too many times for him too be right

>>50325476
>Writes spoilers
>Fucks up the spoiler tag
The least you can do is delete your post and repost.

>>50325480
I dont think you read where i was also getting each one a chain axe, add onto that the 13.50 x12 for 60 marines my guy

I mean, it's Ferrus right?
Don't tell me it's...II/11?

>>50325570
And Batman, because
>muh vindication

>>50325476
Land doesn't leave, he's baller incarnate. Dude rides around in a grav land raider with quad volkite cannons on a top ball turret and has a pet cyber monkey, he's basically Drebin from MGS

The Mechanicum in the webway leave, but there's still the ones on the surface. they have a plausible deniability for when they get bitched out about the betrayal (which does not happen in this book)

>>50325486
I don't know if it changed *again*, but in this book they tie it to Aquillon's messages no longer being received at the palace, he's the Custodian watching Lorgar, they start blocking him at some point in The First Heretic before Isstvan. Just some more info because people discuss the timing of the warning.

>>50325511
Blood Angel dude who is called Zephon, gets a jury-rig to his arms from Land and is able to fight in the last battle, where he pulls off a pivotal strike (he has a jump pack). He survives.

>>50325556
Like I say, it was more like a special effect than literally a ghost. Smoke-shadows form in the Emperor's attack and look like dead Imperial soldiers, who fall on the daemons and then dissipate as they all get melted by the fire. It's like three lines, no big deal.

>>50325537
>Maybe it was one of those unused corridors?
For now. His plan was to use the webway for all human 'space' travel. Shit was going to get real busy real quick.

>>50325448
The webway is complex as fuck, beyond even the understanding of the emperor. It was made by the Old Ones.

It's like asking a lone builder to replicate a skyscraper, he can probably add another door to the skyscraper with ease, but trying to build a whole new one is probably impossible for one guy.

The issue is that Magnus was there when Horus had the warp vision on davin
So he then sends the warning
But between davin and istvaan is a certain number of years in which Horus creates the conditions to turn the other Primarchs etc
Yet at the same time we need to have russ coming back to get his orders to prospero and have Horus intercept and change them and also have the worldwide effects of Magnus breaking through
Outcast dead changed some of it with the idea of a massive psychic buffer that held the blast but then IT eventually burst through

>>50325585
No I did not. Fuck.
Just save up, recasts are great for things you can hide, or can't be warped, but with things like weapons and jump packs you should get the real thing.

>>50325613
The Burning of Prospero happens two years before Istvaan ergo the warning has to arrive before that. Russ also has to gather his legion and get to Prospero.

>>50325619
I just wanna model, without a job haha :^)

>>50321345
But they're mongols not takeda

>>50325653
That ain't gonna happen.

>>50325592
>no big deal
I happen to like the mental image of Emps summoning Ferrus's ghost to brutalize people. Sue me.
>yfw Emps and Horus summon Ferrus and Alpharius's ghosts during their final battle

>>50325592
>Land's basically Drebin from MGS
This is good, isn't it...
> Smoke-shadows form in the Emperor's attack and look like dead Imperial soldiers, who fall on the daemons and then dissipate as they all get melted by the fire
I think I read about something like this in 40k? It's like the version of Imperial Daemons.
>>50325599
I agree with you, it was a good enough plan.

>>50325670
>alpharius goes full alpha-alpha-alpha-alfalfaaaaaaaaaa jojo, complete with poses
>ferrus just does the anime punch down onto the top of the skull to stop him flailing
>emps and horus watching with their heads in their hands

>>50325578
It doesn't mention that at all.

It also doesn't mention why The Emperor has to go back on the throne, which he does. He closes the gate and it just becomes a rock wall, there's talk about how they'll never open it again, then climbs back on the throne. Maybe to stop people breaking in? I dunno, good spot to that anon on a logic problem unexplained

>>50325599
I dont disagree with you, but dont you see the problem with the Emperors master plan? He was going to have to fight for the webway as well. What Magnus did could have happened at any time during that war. The Webway isnt that hard to puncture with warp energy thus why Commaroagh is so anti psyker.

Besides the whole webway project is just a better Dolmen Gate as it doesnt seem to be rejected. But the Emps could have just taken one from a tomb world? That way the War in the Webway wouldnt be right ion Terras doorstep would it?

Im seeing a tonne of flaws here for a master plan.

>>50325694
We need a drawfag. Wait one minute. Since Emps can summon ghosts that means Papa Sang can come back for round 2.

>>50325592
Fuck man, I want to read this and want more Land in 30k now

I'd say I want him to kill Kelbor-Hal at the siege, but we already know Kelbor survives to 40k, so I fear it may be the other way around :(

>>50325701
>It doesn't mention that at all.
Thanks anyway champ.

>It also doesn't mention why
Does it say when in the timeline that happens? Obviously before the seige. Just trying to think of a reason why. Maybe to focus on getting the Blood Angel to Terrra, like what Magnus did with tha Salamanders, as I have no idea how they're going to get there yet.

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>>50325759

We already know where full on techno-heresy gets you.

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I followed Duncan's World Eater guide and this was the abortion I came up with. should I just get finer detail brush and clean up all the bullshit or should I strip/reprime them white and try again with the forgeworld WE recipe?

>>50325759
We don't know what happens to Kelbor Hal. Hope remains

>>50325728
true, maybe his plan was unite humanity in the galaxy, and then take the crusade into the webway (which would of been cool AS FUCK)

I suppose once they had control over a good portion of the webway, they wouldn't have to worry about parts of it getting broken open in a magnus-esque event, as they could just do what the eldar do and seal off that area of the webway.

maybe the webway was only weak to magnus' attack because they were only partway into opening it up to humanity? Maybe once the emperor was done with his work it would be more stable and resistant

>>50325759
Arkhan Land was a good character. He's still a semi-stilted Mechanicum mad scientist, but he also loves exploring and big guns. He talks back to people he shouldn't, he's annoyed it's the Land Raider instead of Land's Raider and he gened a monkey (an extinct creature in no recorded natural history books) and *insists* that not only is it meant to sound like that, but of course the tail is meant to be a stabbing limb that delivers venom and not a tool-limb used to hang from things.

>>50325785
Jesus christ, first of all, THIN EM

secondly, practice brush control for a while.

It's not all bad, the metal parts look nice Although I suppose you'd have a lot of practice painting up IW ;)

>>50325785
It's more that your lines are too thick and you've got wobbly hands m8. You might just not be practiced enough yet. Do whatever will make you the most happy or confident, you'll get better.

>>50325817
>of course the tail is meant to be a stabbing limb that delivers venom and not a tool-limb used to hang from things.
I already like this guy

>>50325836
the worst part is that I did thin them, every single paint I put on this model was thinned with lahmian medium til it was a "milky consistency" and then I did "two thin coats"

>>50325857
Then you have too much on your brush and its blobbing.

>>50325857
How much paint are you getting on your brush at once? If you've got a big glob on your brush it's going to come out real THICC

Also you fell for the lahmian medium meme, just use water it's free. Maybe if it's still coming out thicc AF try watering it down until its pretty much just coloured water and apply thousands on layers until you get the coat you want. that's what I used to do when I was first starting and was struggling with paint consistency.

>>50325898
This start too thin and work up to thicker as you get a feel for it.

>>50325694
>>50325733
I know, I'm trying!

>>50325878
>>50325898
speaking of being an amateur at painting non metallic colors...should I just prime over the dudes or should I strip them first. looks like repainting is back on the menu boys...fuck, and I spent over 30 hours painting these 20 dudes to THIS standard. I need to learn2commission

>>50326024
I'd say in this case definitely strip and reprime, the paint is already so think that it's clogging up details, any more paint on top of that and it's going to be unrecognisable.

>>50326024
Why did you paint 20 if the first ones were coming out shit? Surely that's a sign you need to start doing something different before you paint all of them.

>>50326024
>fuck, and I spent over 30 hours painting these 20 dudes to THIS standard.
Think of it as time invested not wasted, you have to start somewhere and will get better with time. Besides its nowhere close to shit I've seen on baby's first table top Anon.

>>50325785
Just coat it in wash bruh, works wonders

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>>50325694
>>50325733
I hope this is good enough. Heard about Emps invoking smoke ghosts and immediately thought "Stands"

>>50325785
You didn't thin your paints enough, or you applied too many layers. You also need to work on your brush control (at the top of the bunny ears I can see the trim splashed onto the white, and at the tiara again, the head of the axe still shows white in places it ought to be either metal or black). Strip it and try again.

>>50326114
Perfect.

>>50326053
Someone post duncans first model

If he can go from that to what he does nowadays, we're all gonna make it bros

>>50325728
>He was going to have to fight for the webway as well. What Magnus did could have happened at any time during that war.
I think half his children and the Warmaster betraying him in the span of a mere decade wasn't part of the plan either.
>>50326139
Oh thanks

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>>50325817
>>50325841
Remember this is the guy who thought onagers were insectile beasts of burden. He's got numerous PhDs in engineering, but was expelled from the Colegia Biologica

>>50326203
You don't know about the spiders on Mars do you? Did Bowie teach you nothing?!

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>>50326231
It's a god-awful small affair
To the girl with the shaven head
But the Red King is yelling, "No!"
And her Emprah has told her to go
But her friend is nowhere to be seen
Now she walks through her sunken dream
To the seat with the clearest view
And she's hooked to the holoscreen

But Prospero's a saddening bore
For she's lived it ten times or more
She could shoot in the eyes of fools
As she cancels their powers as...

[cHorus:]
Witches fighting in the main hall
Oh man!
Look at those wizards go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the Wolfman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?

It's on Sek-Amrak's tortured brow
Mortarion has grown up a cow
Now the astartes have struck for fame
'Cause we go make war again
See the army in their million hordes
From Ibizium to the Norfolk Broads
Ruling Terra is out of bounds
To my sergeant, my dog, and town

But Prospero's a saddening bore
'Cause I fought it ten times or more
It's about to be fought again
As I ask you to focus on

[Chorus]

>>50326361
10/10

>>50326361
Beautiful, now rewrite the man who sold the world but with alpha legion lyrics

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>>50326411
Already did a long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSH--SJKVQQ

We passed upon the warp
Spoke of was and when
Although I wasn't there
He said I was his friend
Which came as some surprise
I spoke into his eyes
I thought you died alone
Murdered by Guilliman

"Oh no, NOT ME
I never lost that duel
You're face to face
With Alpharius Omegon"

I laughed and shook his hand
And made my way back home
I searched for farming land
For years and years I roamed
I gazed a gazer stare
We marked a million hills
I must have died alone
A long long time ago

Who knows?
Not me
I never lost control
You're face, to face
With Alpharius Omegon

With Russ now making it back to Terra whilst the Emperor is alive why wasnt Russ chastasized for destroying Prospero and all the TS fief worlds when he got back to Terra?

His orders from them Emperor said nothing of the sort and he knew he took orders from Horus who had gone traitor at that point. So why did he get a pass for this?

>>50326440
Holy shit I fucking love it

You are now Bowie-anon, wear the name with pride

>>50326447
It's already done, and emps gets nothing by destroying the only legion currently available to him

I want Corvus Corax to strap me to an operating table and perform horrifying medical experiments on me while I remain fully conscious but unable to do anything.

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>>50326470
Aww thanks anon.
I also did the chainshovel and Ferrus' stand ;^)

>>50326502
>it was al all along

Fuck, should I just assume 90% of all good OC contributed to these threads are you or Uni?

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>>50326491
The Raven Lord is currently busy infiltrating [REDACTED], but FW has the man for you!
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Solar-Auxilia-Surgeon-Primus-Aevos-Jovan-Medicae-Orderlies
>>50326528
Pretty much, yeah. Especially the To be continued Titan, I knew I was going to get something to use that template with
I've never seen a single episode of JoJo
But Shades Perturabo, damn I'm jealous I didn't think of that.

>>50326447
>It's already done
I said chastersized not punished. In much the same way Khan thought it was wrong but was too busy with the Heresy.

It's weird to me that Russ just comes back by himself and everyone is fine with it?
>Russ walks into the Throne room
>"Job done Dad"
>"Cool wheres Magnus it's time to figure out whats going on'
>'Ah....'

>>50326560
Well he most likely was, we don't know yet

>>50326566
>we don't know yet
We do know that Russ has been back to Terra though? He plays chess with Malcador whilst his legion is in for repairs. Then he leaves again to get in a fight with someone as yet unnamed.

>>50326554
The to be continued titan is baller, I feel like the template would work well with the burning IW tartaros on tallarn as well

>>50326582
>Then he leaves again to get in a fight with someone as yet unnamed.

Horus, unless this has been retconned Russ comes back to Terra in one of BL books and Dorn asks him to stay, he refuses saying he's a hunter and his legion wont sit on his ass in Terra when he could be bringing the war to Horus. Russ being Russ that fails and Terra is left with one less legion.

Fucking Russ.

>>50326582
We do, but we don't know how hard Emps or Malc facepalmed when they heard.

>>50326612
Well it's not like 5000 or so marines would have made much a difference

>>50326612
>Horus
Everyone is expecting this but it truly wasnt confirmed in the book.

I think he's going to fight Abaddon and both are gonna get fucked up as a surprise

>>50326640
I dont know where they'd fit that in at this point then. Why wouldnt it be brought up straight away after being gone for like two years?

>>50326640
5000 or so marines and one pretty fucking lethal primarch that could of been helping stop the EC raping their way across Terra and grinding the civilians up into space cocaine

I'm just saying

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>>50326606
Hey good idea. And you gave me another idea. I hope this imageposting isn't annoying.

>>50326657
It was though, the aftermath of Russ' fuck up attempt and Corax evacuating him and his sons is in Weregeld

>>50326640
>>50326662
There's no way that the Space Wolves only have 5000 marines left is there?

>>50326447
The Emperor didn't even believe that Horus was a traitor when Russ left for Prospero, why would he chastise Russ for believing him?

>>50326698
By the end of the heresy even less.

Prospero + Alaxxes took a shitload of wolves out

>>50326698
Prospero, Allaxes, and the trip though the ruinstorm back to Terra really fucked them over, and they weren't a huge legion anyway I think.

They can only have 2000 marines at most by the end of the scouring, as they only form two chapters when the codex astartes is introduced

>>50326203
Reading comprehension, anon, he thought that mules were insectile beasts of burden.

>>50326697
>It was though
>Russ goes off to fight Horus
>Its not shown on paper
>Confirmed
Like I said thats what everyone is expecting but it wasnt confirmed.

>>50326699
>why would he chastise Russ for believing him?
Because Russ got orders from the Emperor then listened to his underling instead? From the guy he was just warned was a traitor by Magnus. This is the whole reason he was going out to get him anyway so Emps could figure out what was going on.

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>>50326606
Is this alright?
>>50326729
Srry, I cannot distinguish between onagers, mules, donkeys and asses. Kek, asses.

>>50326712
>>50326725
with the recent changes that means at the time of the Seige of Terra there are many more TS then space wolves. This cant be correct.

>>50326687
kek, that came out better than I thought it was going to

What other retcon library covers can be memed, I feel like the cover of Damnation of pythos has high meme potential, even if the book itself was just a shit way for them to tie into the 40k storyline that was happening at the time.

>>50326745
Aha I fucking knew it was going to be the dreadnought smashing the tank, that was my second choice after the burning terminator

I r8 your OC 10/10, good work

>>50326753
To be fair those number don't include the 13th Company who left to hunt down the Sons or Russ' Company who left to do Scouring things forever.

>>50326741
>Like I said thats what everyone is expecting but it wasnt confirmed.

He goes on to fight the traitors, doesnt matter if its Horus or not, its Russ' idea for the Knights-Errant to do that assault on the vengeful spirit. The point is Russ is a failure who left Terra with one less legion so he could wage a war on the traitors and instead of actually helping he got his legion even more wrecked.

>>50326741
It literally was. Must everything be explicitly spelled out for you?

>>50326753
I don't' know about the new fluff but going by ATS thousand sons have around 10,000 marines and the wolves are mentioned as being barely larger

>>50326770
Heh thanks. I love almost all of Neil Robert's art, even if it's computer-generated. Hey Breadanon, how did your spanish test go?

>>50326786
>thousand sons have around 10,000 marines and the wolves are mentioned as being barely larger

By Inferno they'll probably be 100,000 marines in each legion, ATS was made before FW HH and that added another zero in legion numbers plus the smallest legion according to FW is Raven Guard at 80,000 men so its not that much of a stretch for the other two "small" legions to be barely bigger than RG.