ITT instant red flags

>game's wizards rip off eastern religion
>wanting to play a character who seeks balance, a major concept in most eastern religions, is a red flag
Choosing the middle ground in a sliding scale is almost always the right choice in real life, why wouldn't you assume so in this case?

>I want to play a [insert any beastfolk race here] but I want it to look more human.

>Character's high concept starts with their sexual preference

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>>50291160
>wants to be a grey jedi
>wants to spam force powers
>cares about having a lightsaber
[ANGRY SPACE WITCH NOISES]

>>50291160

Grey Jedi makes a lot of sense in the EU, mostly on the Old Republic. Considering the many doctrines of the Force, and how the Jedi ways are crazy, restricted and inefficient, it is no surprise that the is third kind of regular Force users.

>>50291212
> Rip off eastern religion
In what way? It was a classic good versus evil story. Darth Vader and the Emperor were thoroughly evil bastards. Luke, Obi Wan and Yoda were good people - and they didn't act like emotionless robots either. Yoda goofed around, while Luke often allowed emotions override his reason, but they still were good guys, this is why they represented the Light Side.
Dark Side vs Light Side is not like ying and yang, it's straightforward good versus evil. Seeking balance between good and evil doesn't make you enlightened, it makes you a retard.

>>50291279
Well, yes, and that's why I blame the prequels (and EU that followed their example) for showing the jedi as corrupt, weak, restricted, emotionless, sexless, inefficient. Why do that? The jedi in the original trilogy were none of those things, what's with all this flood of dogmatic incompetents?

>>50291289
Which is why the prequels making the jedi lawful stupid is fucking unforgivable.

>>50291160
>he has a cool red lightsaber
But that's the color of cheap mass-produced khyber crystals, at least in pre-Disney canon.
If he was a real special snowflake, he would pick a rare color or a gradient.

>>50291309
>The jedi in the original trilogy were none of those things
Because there were no jedi to speak of.

>>50291309
>Why do that?

Because no one was around to say no to Lucas' bad ideas.

Not that the current "lets recycle the actually halfway decent material over and over again" is any better.

>>50291370
And the movies were better for that. Jedi&Sith and their squabbles are among the less interesting parts of Star Wars.

>>50291214
Eh, monstergirl fags are better than furries.

>>50291370
You ever noticed that the best EU parts are those where the jedi are nearly wiped out? Like KOTOR 2 and Legacy.

>>50291160
>the jedi are stupid and ineffecient
>not in the OT
The entirety of their order was represented by some old guy in a desert, the local yokel, and Hermit the Frog. Not exactly German MENSA.

>>50291413
That's a lie and you know it.

>>50291439
They wiped out the Empire and brought peace to galaxy. The gigantic jedi order in the prequels was unable to see a sith when he was right in front of them, didn't notice Anakin's obvious descend into the dark side and didn't do shit about it if they did, couldn't be bothered by investigating a convenient clone army and did a lot of other stupid shit.

>I want to fight without armor and bare-knucle but I want to be as good as an armored and weapon weilding knight

>>50291468
No one ever claimed that the Jedi were particularly smart people. But then again given the picture that prequels give of them Anakin could had fucked his wife in the front of the council and they would had still been too oblivious to it figure out.

>>50291160
>he has a cool red lightsaber that...
"-so he's a deluded Sith."
Thank you Disney cannon for making it so much easier to call bullshit on poorly written characters!

>>50291487
>Whatisamonk.jpeg

>>50291468
>They wiped out the Empire and brought peace to galaxy.
If by 'they' you mean 'the Rebels and Darth Vader'. About the only thing the Jedi themselves do is annoy Vader and blow up the Death Star (and Luke wasn't even a Jedi then).

>>50291502
Don't fall for bait, anon.

>>50291487
For all of its flaws 3.X managed to convey the power difference classes effectively.
>hit things with your bare hands=worth of absolutely nothing
>hit thing with your sword=worth of absolutely nothing
>rape the laws of physics with your spells=basically a god

>>50291511
...yes, he was. He specifically used the Force to make this shot. As for the others, they've trained Luke and made him into a better jedi, this is what good mentors do.

>>50291513
You're right, thanks anon.

>characters description includes penis size.

>>50291519
This is your reminder that Gandalf didn't save Middle Earth, Merlin wasn't the protagonist of king Arthur's mythos and Conan kicked the shit out of evil sorcerers all the time.
DnD is pretty much the only place where warriors < wizards.

>>50291526
If 'uses the Force' is the sole criterion to be a Jedi in the OT, then what is Vader? He's not a Sith (unless you read the books).

>>50291607
Emperor's bitch.

>>50291607
He's a fallen jedi.

>>50291616
And what's the Emperor? Does he even use the Force on-screen? He does the lightning thing, but is it said in the movies that that's the Force?

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>Player smells like balls
Without fail, every person I've played with who gave off some sort of stench wound up being That Guy for some reason or another. There are shit players who don't smell but all smelly players are shit.

Druids, ever. Everyone seems to think druid = furfag or zophile. Also if you're playing in anything but AD&D they're somewhat likely to wind up CN.

>>50291160
>none of it was in the original trilogy.
Then why are you angry? Sounds like the guy wants to play a jedi correctly.

>>50291632
He sees the future just like Luke, so yes, we know for a fact that he's a force user. Probably not a jedi, though, since he contemptuously refers to a lightsaber as a "jedi weapon", but who knows?
I mean, now we know that he was a minor politician called Sheev once, but it's just prequels being prequels.

>>50291549
This
Stupid wizard nerds. I bash wizard nerds on a regular basis

>>50291684
>He sees the future
Wait, when was that?

I only ever played one Jedi in a Star Wars RPG, and it was based on the Failed Jedi pre-gen in the 2nd Ed WEG core book.

That character was a LOT of fun. Pathetic, failed alcoholic more afraid of the force than in control of it, but without the passion and drive to *really* turn to the darkside. After making sure there'd be a party that would drag him through the plot (and enjoy it) I played that useless piece of shit to the hilt. Good times.

>>50291698
> Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son!
> Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

>>50291160
The problem with gray Jedi isn't that gray Jedi can't be a thing, it's just that everyone's version of it is "cool force lightning ON THE EDGE! Also I'm a Mandalorian bounty hunter and I made my blood red crystal out of a Sith Lord's heart!"

If instead you are a guy who recognizes that positive emotions are fine and can be used to fuel powers in very specific situations than you can be a totally cool guy like Jolee Bindo

>>50291733
Who is this everyone you're talking about? I question whether they actually exist.

>>50291468
I am exhausted, so I'll give this minimal effort, but I can easily explain all those criticisms of the Jedi:
>unable to see a sith when he was right in front of them
Difficult to see through, the shrouding cloud of the Dark Side is
>didn't notice Anakin's obvious descent into the dark side
The above post, see.

>couldn't be bothered by investigating a convenient clone army
An immediate and desperate war, there was.
Distracted, we were.

>and did a lot of other stupid shit.
As stupid does, stupid is.

>>50291757
Forum games. Not even once. See also using Google to try to find character art. Gray Jedi are basically the Star Wars version of Sonic OCs

>>50291623
Go to bed Felix

>>50291776
Why would you be roleplaying on a forum and expecting anything, but the worst?

>"I'm a Sith"
>brooding angry constantly 1-note

The keyword for sith is PASSION. Power yes, but you are as much at it's whim as vice versa. Yes rage and anger are fairly easy emotions to manufacture, but why limit yourself?

Where are the force-bound lovers, whose love/passion/lust makes them strong but shockingly vulnerable if one or the other is targeted

Where is the sith, for lack of a better term, dragon? whose lust for wealth, his passion for riches empowers him?

and if you must have hate, where is the edge-kun cyborg sith? whose self-hate and wretched condition allows him to wring surprising might from the force

>>50291727
I foresaw Trump winning (not /pol/ btw)
Doesn't mean I literally see the future.

>>50291811
Expanded Universe, please go. Vader and the Emperor were basically nothing like you've described.

>>50291799
Definitely perused one once. Boredom does terrible things to a mortal man as much as a Jedi. Also sometimes people will post art on /swg/ so we can all laugh at it. I shit you not one time it was someone's "ex-Jedi Mandalorian OC" who had a fucking lightscythe. That kid probably tortures animals in his yard

>>50291446
No, he isn't lying. Monstergirlfags are superior than yiffags

>>50291773
>Difficult to see through, the shrouding cloud of the Dark Side is
Also difficult to see through, 100-odd years of complacency and stagnation are.

>>50291833
>Vader
>Not cyborg filled with rage at both the galaxy and himself

Sure

>>50291811

TOR.

Sorry.

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Speaking of Star Wars...
> It's "Player wants to play as a sexy twi'lek slave" episode
Happened more than once to me. One time she even had a shock collar. I blame Vette.

>>50291633
The smell is just a side effect of the personality. Shitty people don't take care of themselves or care about social convention.

>>50291833

The word 'sith' literally never appears in the original trilogy, so your entire point is completely irrelevant anyways.

>>50291885
Dooku and Maul were also absolutely nothing like you've described.

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>>50291664
But I play a druid...

>>50291811
>whose self-hate and wretched condition allows him to wring surprising might from the force
...kylo ren?

>>50291664
My druid was a half orc hermit who kept bees to make his own mead, carried a hugeass greatclub to protect the hives and sort of followed the "we're not sure if he's a wise excentric or a drunken lunatic" pattern.
where does that fall.

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>>50291160

>mfw I insisted on playing a Mandalorian Jedi in a Star Wars freeform when I was 15

I'M SORRY OH MY GOD I'M SORRY.

>>50291160
Oh please, I was playing edgy gray Jedi back in the mid-1990s.

>>50292017
That's nothing, I've played a zabrak sith (who was essentially Darth Maul in every aspect) turned good. I was eleven back then, so I have an excuse.

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>player links a picture of what they think the character looks like
>it's from an anime

>>50292154
Would you prefer it to be a photo of them in costume? Or a badly photoshopped picture of them?

>>50292173
They're all red flags, honestly.

>>50291160
It was KOTOR that popularized the retarded sliding scale grey jedi horseshit.

>>50291881
>Shitty people don't take care of themselves or care about social convention.

Thats true to a certain extent. I mean if you rounded up all the meth heads, drunkards, fat slobs etc you would find a lot of shitty people.

Imo the best people are found in the middle between the extremes. If you take alright care of yourself but have a few vices, and you look alright but sometimes just don't give a fuck about social conventions those are the type of people I'd trust far more.

People who are pristine can fuck right off because they are all shifty to the maximum.

>>50292017
Don't be sorry. Be better.

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>>50292154
I'm waiting for the red flag

>>50292215

It's one of those shitty animes where they look like some generic weeb.

>not playing a pragmatic Imperial Agent

>>50291854
>monstergirlfags
>yiffags
>different things

>all _____ party

>>50292330

>guardsman

>>50292337
Absolute bottom of the barrel.

>>50292357

>All PDF party

>>50292365
Pre- or post-ISO standardisation?

>>50292330
>implying that doesn't make a shitton more sense than a "balanced" party in a majority of scenarios

>chaotic good paladin with a katana

>>50292365
>All JPEG party

>>50291289
Chi. Yin yang. Taoism.

>>50292436
You are not particularily bright, are you?

>>50292534
When you insult someone for being wrong without explaining why they're wrong, you just look like you're having a temper-tantrum.

Not any of the people in this convo btw

>>50292554
People with 5 second attention span like yourself shouldn't be catered to. It's really fucking obvious why that guy is being insulted if you actually follow the reply chain.

>>50291733
Jolee Bindo was almost entirely light side, going by the game morality.

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>>50291664
Not me. I think druids as tree fuckers.

>>50291811
Passion itself isn't the road to the dark side. It's where uninhibited passion leads you. Love turns to jealousy, and then to hate. That kind of thing.

That's why Luke's order didn't forbid relationships and actually taught students to be aware of where passion may lead, rather than to spur it altogether.

>>50292407
So it will be a game about gathering artifacts?

>>50292650
>That's why Luke's order didn't forbid relationships and actually taught students to be aware of where passion may lead, rather than to spur it altogether.
And look where THAT lead.

>>50292578
So you can't actually articulate why the other poster is wrong?

>>50292660
I can, it's just so BLINDINGLY obvious that I shouldn't have to. Seriously, your reading comprehension must be on par with a 6-year-old.

>>50292656
...to success?

Talking about the old canon. I don't know what happened in new canon.

>>50292660
It's literally written in the post he replied to, you fucking moron.

>>50292682
Maybe you shouldn't discuss star wars if you haven't even seen the movies.

>>50292691
We still don't know what's the deal with Kylo Ren, though. You shouldn't blindly assume.

>>50292716
We DO know that Luke's attempt at creating a new jedi order was a failure.

>>50292691
I've seen all the movies. We don't know what happened with Luke's order in the new movies, only that Ren was seduced by the dark side and Snoke.

We don't even know how this version of Luke taught.

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>>50292676
Weeewwww lad its like im back in middle school reading this shit

>>50292652
You already have artifacts, you need to get rid of them.

>>50292731
Middle schoolers probably have better reading comprehension than you do.

>>50291468
Dark Side was clouding everything.

Anakin was wild and foolish, but he didn't really fall to the Dark Side until he attacked Mace Windu. Before that he was more teetering on the edge, and Obi-Wan was trusted to keep him straight.

Why would they need to investigate the clone army? The Jedi are not a government body and went out of their way to avoid having to answer to it, aside from what was necessary for the war. They don't care that much about the outside world.

>>50291160
Anything that is unorthodox for its own sake, like a character who speaks in the 3rd person for no reason. I have a long time now former player in my group who ALWAYS did something like this to "make the game more interesting".

This seems like a good place to post this also: How do I get players to be more creative. Ive got a good friend from college who loves the idea of playing tabletop RPGs but he only wants to play ninjas "but the good kind that help people". He has literally never played anything else. How do I go about correcting that level of brain disease?

>>50292809
It's a natural progression that everyone goes through. You won't be able to break him of it, but you might be able to speed him up.

Suggest he play 'traditional' good guys, like paladins and such. When that fails, ask he "at least" play something different than a good ninja.
Have him get a lot of exposure. There's nothing inherently wrong with what he's doing, he just doesn't know it's cliche already.

>>50292777
>defending the prequels

>>50292809
Try running something where that's not an option, like Paranoia or DitV.

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>>50292857
>defending the Jedi

>>50292857
It's funny, if you just read the novels, the prequels are actually pretty good.

>>50292913
Im not defending anything, Im just calling you a retard.

>>50292875
See, Ive tried that. I suggested we play mouseguard and he immediatly asked how he could make a ninja. When I said "you cant", he asked how he could make something that was the most like a ninja.

He's not on the spectrum, I swear, but sometimes Im impressed with that boy.

>>50292937
Good in what way? Are the novels so atrociously bad that the prequels look good in comparision?

>>50292971
The novelisations of the prequels you goof.

>>50292969
> That boy
How old is he, anon?

>>50293075
That doesnt make the movies any better, which is what I was talking about, you goof.

>>50293144
All you said was 'prequels'. The novel versions are still the prequels.

>>50291265
I have to wonder if people who say Traya is right have ever gotten past the quests to reunite the Jedi Council.

>>50293083
like 26.

>>50291309
The Jedi in the prequels are at their nadir. Why people still don't get this I don't know.

>>50291212
Because George doesn't understand how Eastern religion works and made all the actual details of the Force work more like Christianity. You'd think from hearing about it that the two sides of the Force were like yin and yang, entwined in each other and both necessary for life, but no, it turns out that the Dark Side isn't even supposed to exist. "Bringing balance to the Force" should mean equal parts light and dark, but somehow it means no dark at all.

>>50291370
That's not true. There were two weak, old, cowardly pathologocal liars.

>>50293263
Is he black?

>>50292809
I wish I knew. I have one player who plays every character like a balls-to-the-wall berserker no matter what he's playing. When we ended in the middle of a long fight and we picked up next time with the wizard's player missing, he took over the wizard and did nothing but hit people wuth his staff. He also repeatedly tried and failed to climb a wall to get to more enemies even though he could cast Fly.

>>50293331
>You'd think from hearing about it that the two sides of the Force were like yin and yang
Why would you think that when it's explicitly not how it works? There has never been any suggestion in any Star Wars movie that the dark side and light side of the force are necessary for life.

>>50292809
>How do I go about correcting that level of brain disease?
Someone already suggested playing different games, and I think that's a good idea. Most rpgs have the premise of "you're a freelance adventurer with a license to kill". If you can get away from that, you can get him to turn on other creative ideas.

Engineheart
>you're a sentient appliance trying to keep your battery full and find out what happened to your maker

Call of Cthulhu/other horror
>you're a pretty average person confronted with horror movie shenanigans

>>50293383
Because they're called two "sides" of a single Force. Usually two sides of the same thing are both necessary, equal, and inextricable from each other. They may even be identical but seen from different points of view. If there was a main Good Force and a lesser Evil Force, that would be less confusing.

>>50291468
"Master Yoda, our files archives says that there's supposed to be planet right here but as you can see there's nothing there even though other bodies orbit that nothing. I just don't understand."

I have never wanted to slap a fictional character harder.

>>50293451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G67eMq1YwmI&feature=youtu.be&t=82
Wait, THIS is the best take you had?

>>50293451
>>50293485

Why does the Jedi Order have baby-sized lightsabers just laying around, anyway? Why did they give little kids incredibly deadly devices like that and group 'em up so close?

Wait... What's that droid shooting lil lasers at them? Isn't that the same kinda droid Obi-Wan used to give Luke a lesson on the Force?

>>50293531
It's just a taser m8, kids need a good tasing.

>>50293531
BRAVO LUCAS

>>50291773
>Difficult to see through, the shrouding cloud of the Dark Side is
Come on, knowing Palpie was a Sith lord may be a bit to ask since the only person he fully Sithed in front of was Anakin and only then after probing his loyalty for quite a while, but someone should have pointed out he was easily crooked enough to justify Jedi intervention before that, that's pretty much their job.

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>"My Animal Companion is a super rare Red Panda, I statted it as a wolf to be easier, here's his name, information on his likes and dislikes and a sketch I've been working on this week"
>I whisper to our party's tank "This thing is going to get us all killed, mark my words"


I was kinda right, the player tried to get us to turn around and run back INTO a burning town with multiple dragons attacking it so that she could get the ARMOR for this thing that she commissioned from the blacksmith earlier in the week and was planning on picking up that morning before things got all Dragoney. She also pretty much refused to send the thing into any combat unless it was abundantly clear that it wasn't in danger.

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>>50292314
DELET THIS

>>50293331
Wasn't that the whole point of the prequels, though? Anakin was predicted to bring balance to the force, which he did, by butchering so many light side Jedi that finally the two were matched. It was just a critical mistranslation on the part of the Jedi, who assumed it meant something else entirely.

Jedi = balance/order
Sith = chaos/disorder

Bringing "balance" to the Force doesn't mean having an equal amount of Jedi and Sith. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

>>50293610
No, he ultimately brought balance to the force when he chucked Palpatine down the shafts and then died.

>>50291160
>playing traya instead of pulling a Bindo
These anons are not my nerfherders, and they should not be yours, either

>>50291212
>choose to trap black tar heroin or not
>I'll only do it sometimes

>>50291160

> I want to play a jedi

That should have been your first red flag

>>50291432
>KOTOR 2
Kotor 2 isn't even the best part of it's own portion of the eu, because that belongs to the tire in comic

>>50293724

Because it WAS balanced... from a certain point of view

>>50291212
Because it's not about balance in any eastern sense. Balance in Taoism isn't 'you should go against the Tao 50% of the time'. You should never go against the Tao, because being against the Tao is being off balance.

>>50292809
God, this. Random for the sake of random can fuck right off, if you want to play a pixie or a gnome they better not be the unpredictable giggling trickster type unless I know you know what you're fucking doing.
I'm willing to let people play some unusual shit as long as it fits the setting and tone, but I won't accommodate their "out of place" status, no I don't care if you don't have arms or scare peasants off you signed up for this shit you gotta deal with it or roll a new character.

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>>50293574
Make me, faggot.

>>50293199
>tfw I never managed to finish KotOR2.
How is it?
Always just stop randomly and lose interest. KotOR 1's all good, though.

Never run any Star Wars games, but would a Sith who only became a Sith for the training, then immediately cut all ties with his master and all others to live a quiet life whilst having no duties and cool powers be considered shit?

>>50291160
Gray Jedi are a KOTOR thing. They are also difficult to play because they're Lawful Neutral, apathetic towards Jedi and inactive against Sith. They're closer to true monks, dolong out wisdom and influencing events with little to no fighting.

It's basically diplomancer.

>>50293938
Kreia pretends to want to destroy the force to goad you into killing her, thus proving that you can make a powerful force user without going either Sith or Prequel-style Jedi

>>50293993
>without going either
What if you end up one or the other through play and choices...?

>>50294020
Then she fucked up

>>50293993
>tfw exile never gets the love he deserves because people are too busy with wanking revan

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Some personal things, and to be taken within reason.
>backstory is more of a light novel
>rollplayers and not roleplayers
>I'll skip session 0, I'll roll my own stats with my friends watching
>25 year old dude playing a 16-something year old girl
>acts shifty with the charactersheet (i.e. always seems to go out of line of sight when I'm looking)
>random player wants to play a beast race

Just a handful of things I can think of off the top of my head.

>>50293984
It's definitely older, I remember my circle of friends talking about how Luke's a grey jedi in RotJ. More because it welcomed 'white hat/black hat/grey hat' comparisons than saying it's a distinct ethos or anything, and that would have been around 1997 or '98.

But your post got me thinking about it, so I started rooting around. As far as I've been able to dig up, the earliest online reference to the term is an archived version of a fan site journal page dated just two months after Menace premiered, plus some fandom glossary dated 2001 that says that Lucas described Qui-Gonn Jinn as a grey jedi while the movie was in production.

>>50294295
>25 year old dude playing a 16-something year old girl
Still better than 16-something year old girl playing a 25 year old dude.

>GM wants you to read their novella-sized setting primer and their setting wiki to prepare for the game

>>50294132

>He

Exile is canonically a woman, anon.

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>>50294429
I admit, I've kind of done this. I really only ask players to look at the most recent overviews of the setting, but I can't make a setting I feel is good without creating as much of a history as possible for it, so I can explain why things ended up the way they did.

If they really want to read my autism, I'd be happy to share it with them, but I am not going to give them what is essentially a fantasy history book off the bat.

>>50294429
I'm a bit guilty of this, but its more of a 5-6 paragraph detailing the state of the world, major cities, and any other outstanding situations.

>>50294429
If they can write a good setting, I'll let this slide. It would answer a lot of questions about what is common knowledge in the realm.

Simple things like:
>Are there legends of dragons hoarding gold?
>If I were in an ancient sith temple would I be smart enough to be able to recognize a lightsaber from a flashlight?
>How does this society feel about ________?

You know the things that might be good to know at points.

>>50291874
Those eyes are freaking me out.

>>50294502
The problem isn't that there's a primer that needs to be read - you can hardly play if you know nothing about the setting, after all. The problem is when there's a ton of material and the GM expects you to read all of it instead of just giving you cliff notes version and letting you do browse the rest at your leisure.

>>50294429
>Pitch setting to players.
>They like it and want something kinda new.
>Players say they'll read half a page of "what your character definitely knows about the setting, what's common knowledge, and a few rumors".
>Later ask if they read it.
>"yes"
>Like it like the first short pitch?
>"yes"
>Got any questions?
>"no"
>Game up.
>Turns out they didn't.
I started randomly adding "and then they copulated" about three fourths in when I don't use premade settings. Terribly few ask about it.

>>50293724
Then it shouldn't be called the Dark SIDE. It should be called a plague, a tumor, a disease, a cancer on the otherwise pure force. Side implies that it is a natural thing that cannot be separated from the force as the light side cannot.

>>50292154
>Player links a picture of what they think the character looks like
>It's a screenshot from an anime
>Upon further inspection, the character is just an expy ripped straight out from the anime

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>>50293724
Because the way the dark side is portrayed makes it feel more of evil and good harmony than a tumor. I mean I understand what george was trying to go for but the movies really didn't translate it well for most people.

>>50292581
The point is he wasn't a passionless robot

>>50291549
I don't want to defend the retarded way 3.X dealt with the whole thing, but Gandalf was way stronger than Aragorn or Frodo. Merlin was probably more powerful, individually, than Arthur or any knight (but that would depend on what the writer wants him to do). Conan dealt killed sorcerers but he was very aware that they were dangerous.

But all in all, those examples are not really equivalent to playing characters. Gandalf is basically a DMPC.

>>50295105
All those wizards are weird examples because in their own way they're not as well defined as wizards have become in fantasy. Merlin could create armies of phantom soldiers long enough to make a fight fairer for Arthur against a huge enemy army, and he could take an entire gate apart piece by piece, and then put it back together again. But he wasn't casting fireballs, or ramming planes together, or anything that we think of wizards doing today.

>>50292330
>>50292337
Guard party best party

>>50292154
>player links a picture of what they think the character looks like
>it's from an anime
>a porn anime

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>>50291854
but the opposite is true. Both are subhuman, but at least furries admit it. Monstergirl idiots are in denial about their furfaggotry.
dragon > human >>> furry > monstergirl > actual bestiality

>>50292809
>>50292969

When I get a player like this, I just let him be happy with the ninja or whatever. As long as he is just repetitive and not something worst, of course. If he always wants to play something and that something doesn't break the game, that's fine in my book. Specially since experience tells me they themselves end up growing out of it. First you get completely different ninjas and finally he's not playing ninjas anymore, it's a matter of time. Try to make him play a couple of long campaign with the ninjas first though.

>>50295303
>actual beastiality > human >>> furry > monstergirl > dragon

FTFY

>>50291160
>mfw when all my jedis are actually dickass mavericks (but their lightsabers are either blue or green depending on whether they focus on combat or the force)
Grey jedis aren't a bad concept anon, it depends on how you develop them.

>>50292196
Force is horseshit.

>>50294422
Why? Genuine question. I've never played with teenagers of any gender.

>>50295478
Teenagers just aren't all that mature, and around 16ish in my experience is when they start getting really emotional. Usually they start getting better around college age, but teenagers just don't really know how adults act half the time.

>>50294457
>Exile is canonically a woman
Fuck that, Brianna >>>>>>>>>> that little faggot Mical. Plus the whole Atris subplot loses meaning with a female exile. Also Meetra Surik is a stupid name.
That said the element of Surik and Revan's master/student relationship making them close and Bastila jealous has merit. Still not enough to warrant having a female exile tho.

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>>50295383
>dragon lower than furries
>dragon lower than MONSTERGIRLS
I'm sorry to hear about your low-level TPK against a hatchling.

>>50294457
> Canonically
I have bad news for you, anon.

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>>50291811
>where is the edge-kun cyborg sith? whose self-hate and wretched condition allows him to wring surprising might from the force
More pain and despair than self hate, but yeah he basically feeds off the shittiness of his conditions to literally hold his body together.

>>50291160
>My character is blind, but... GET THIS... he can see with his mind.
[[DROPPED]]

>>50295512
Doesn't TOR keep being canon by virtue of legal shit? All the KOTOR stuff is widely mentioned in TOR.

>>50291212
>implying 9/10 people who want to play "grey jedi" are gonna be Jolee Bindo, and not edgelords.

The 1/10 that want to be Bindo are cool though

>>50295576
No, TOR is not canon.

>>50295496
>Teenagers just aren't all that mature
Your character doesn't have to be mature.
I don't see any problems with playing as a grizzled Vetran ignoring for a moment setting and starting level

>>50291160
Does playing a shitty jedi count as playing a grey jedi? Because if it does I've played a lot of grey jedis. Fuck the red lightsabers tho, if I'm an actual old order jedi I want a good, high quality Illum crystal for my weapon.

>>50295605
It's not that the character is immature, they aren't. They might make a self-insert and get huffy over their character not being treated well or something.

>>50292008
That sounds pretty cool honestly. I'm sure druids can be done right but I don't see it happen in my group.

I always make my character mute to cut down on the amount of role play I have to act out

>>50294034
Which people always seem to overlook
>kriea was right
Traya was wrong about just about everything

>>50294295
>25 year old dude playing a 16-something year old girl
Does this get better or worse when all the characters are around the same age?

>>50295570
What about one who can see (with appropriate penalty) through echolocation? It's a thing humans can do, even - blind people often develop a habit of making loud clicking noises to observe their surroundings if those around them do not stifle them.
So, penalty to vision-based checks and resistance/immunity to vision-based effects (good and bad), bonus to hearing-based checks and susceptible to audio-based effects.

>>50295618
>They might make a self-insert and get huffy over their character not being treated well or something
First of all self-insertion is the point of a RPG
Second this can happen with every gender at every age of the player and/or the played character.

>>50295576
Tor is cannon intro itself. It is not star wars canon, but it shares canon with kotor and the comic. In this little realm of non-canon canon, kotor 2 is only used as broad strokes, ignoring a lot of shit. Which is okay, because as much as i lobe kotor 2, Chris avellone doesn't really get star wars.

>>50292724
>We DO know that Luke's attempt at creating a new jedi order was a failure.
Please let Kylo Ren be a light side sleeper agent, getting close to the new dark lords to assassinate them for the greater good.
Why can't good be tricksy?

>>50295845
>Why can't good be tricksy?
Slippery slope.

>>50295793
I wouldn't say that self-insertion is the point of an RPG - maybe a level of taking a character from yourself or your personality, or creating an ideal 'what I wish I could be' character, but I'd never make a self-insert if I could avoid it.

And sure, it does, but with teenagers at that rough age, it just gets more likely.

>my character is from a stone-age civilization
I have never seen this done well, just used as a exuse to be a degenerate cannibal or to bring in your shifty !sumarian prostitute god

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>>50295845
I doubt he would kill his dad if he was good anon.

>>50291854
Amen.

>>50291854
At least furries realize they're filthy degenerates.

>>50295576
TOR was canon before the canon got DISNEY'D

Its in a nebulous area right now, but considering how the showrunners for Rebels seem to be tripping over themselves to recononize things (Hi, Grand Admiral Thrawn) and Disney seems to give no fucks for anything except the OT and afterwards where they are going to make a million movies. Chances are someone will throw up their hands sooner or later and recanonize all the "ancient history" stuff from the Dark Horse comic anthologies to TOR because they don't have any use for that part of the IP. Even though I'd fucking kill for a Hard R/MA film or mini-series set during the Great Hyperspace War or something that shows off Sith politics at its most decadent.

>"my character hates religion and thinks religious people are stupid"
>in D&D
>later on there's a woman praying for protection in the woods and he shoots her with a crossbow and laughs
>his character sheet said Lawful Good

I don't usually enjoy killing Player Characters, but man I really enjoyed turning that fucker into a arrow filled pin-cushion.
I hate players that have every single one of their characters be completely disrespectful cunts. The Chaotic alignment should be met with punishment.

>>50294804
>Side implies that it is a natural thing
Like cancer and other diseases?

>>50295105
Gandalf wasn't "stronger" then Aragorn, and him killing a Balrog was more a metaphysical battle of a divine force of good incarnate defeating a powerful force of evil incarnate, something humans or dwarves which don't directly represent good would have no chance of stopping.

The magic in LOTR and his magic specifically was far more subtle then "I cast fireball at the Nazgul." Gandalf's power was the ability to in a sense disspell darkness' hold over people, and unite people and direct the flow of event so that eventually the rest of the party and the free world would be able to save Middle Earth, not him. In a melee Aragorn would probably win, but without Gandalf doing his thing, the world would have collapsed against the dark.

>tldr; LOTR magic is not D&D magic, so warrior vs wizard =/= Gandalf vs Aragorn

>>50295807
>Chris avellone doesn't really get star wars.
He very much does get it, he just happens to hate it.

>>50295903
It would be kind of cool to put that into perspective if he did end up being light side all along. Because now we have to decide if we can forgive him, when we've actually seen the horrible shit he's done - not like Darth Vader, where he was kind of evil, but most of it seemed to be the will of the Emperor, or just not as hard-hitting as watching Han get skewered.

>>50293951

You would need an ultimate goal to work towards, a passion. But yeah, that seems like something a Sith would do.

>>50293331
Evil is unbalance. The dark side is evil. The light side is balance. The light side is good. Good = balanced; evil = unbalanced. Balance =/= light + dark. Balance = light. Dark = unbalance.

>>50293724
>>50293773
Correct

>>50293951
It's pretty implausible, because the training is meant to sith-ify you, the teachings are meant to pervert your world-view into the siths', and the dark side is described as addictive.
Your character would be remarkably snowflakey. That kind of background makes much more sense with the jedis or one of the force wielding orders like Jal Shey and shit.

>>50293951
I'd give it a pass if it came with some sort of serious injury that occurred during the 'breakup'. Siths don't like rivals, and there would have to be a reason the master hasn't either killed you pr sought you out to kill you.

>>50296262
>Force has two sides
>If it has only one side, it's balanced
>If you want balance, you should repress your feelings towards anything you cherish, else you'll start to fall
>If you don't know anything of that, you inevitably fall
Arguably worse deal than 40k psykers.

>>50297064
Literally fanfiction. The only requirement for not falling as a jedi is not being a complete asshole.

>>50293331
> "Bringing balance to the Force" should mean equal parts light and dark
Is exactly what was intended. Its the Jedi's who did not understand that. They did not understand that they had become the stagnate imbalance. I hope in episode 8 Luke explains that, it was necessary to have the upheavals that occurred.

>>50293610
>>50293773
Both are correct and both are only part of the story. A story I think that will play out in Episode 8 and 9.

>>50291212
Except going dark and light side of the force isn't balance.

The light side is balance, the dark side is imbalance. I don't get why people don't understand this. The light side is all spiritual balance, natural order zen shit. The dark side is imbalance and chaos. It's all about letting your emotions run wild and in turn sowing chaos and destruction.

You can't reach balance by going half balance and half imbalance.

>>50297553
This is completely incorrect. Balance is not equal numbers Jedi and Sith, and that was never the official stance at any point. George himself stated that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy and restored the balance by turning back to the light and killing Palpatine at Endor.

Even within the films themselves, the whole light=dark is discredited.

With ten thousand Jedi and two Sith, the dark side is so overwhelming that Yoda can't see into the future, and Mace says that their ability to use the Force is diminished.

Again, this is when the Sith are outnumbered five thousand to one.

If anything, the destruction of the Jedi Order should make the imbalance WORSE, not better.

>>50292173
What about having the fucking creative capacity and communication skills to just give a verbal/written description? FUCK

>>50296132
okay, my statement may have oversimplified (who wants a ten page essay on why we can use his statements about fallout new vegas when talking about kotor), but it doesn't change the fact that his personal feelings about an IP he was hired to work on influenced his work to the point that it directly works against some of the core concepts of the ip. G0-T0 a shit

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People: the naming of The Force in Star Wars is stupid yes but the actual ideas it espouses should ideally be thought of as Taoism.

In Taoism it's assumed the universe is like a still pond. Perfect. Unmarred. But by needless intervention you create "ripples" that merely spread out and harm those around you. Taoism is about practicing the way of moving "with" the universe in its pure state rather than against it which causes destruction and chaos.

That's the Light/Dark ideology basically. The "light side" force users seek to use their powers and actions to follow the universal flow while "dark side" users merely cause misery with their actions that they perceive to be necessary. There's no such thing as a "grey scale" in this just someone who'd employ dark side tactics or ideas in moderation.

>>50291446
>>50295950
I so rarely have to deal with furries anymore. When I do, they're usually pretty polite and sensitive to the fact that most people don't like having their face rubbed in furshit. They lost the war and now they know their place. Monsterfags love to draw a great big arbitrary line in the sand between themselves and the furries, then pretend that because they're "not furries" the rules somehow don't apply to them, completely missing the point of why the antifur stuff came about in the first place.
And that's coming from someone who actually kind of likes MonMusu

>>50297650
So are you saying that no Sith is actually the point of balance?

>>50297923

Yes, just like having even one guy playing his instrument wrong will never create harmony.

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>>50297923
Yeah thats what george wants the setting to be even though I wish it wasn't. But whatever most of the good things in star wars are done now anyway.

>>50297923
Yes.

The dark side is actually natural, but what the Sith (specifically the Sith, as no other dark side tradition has anywhere near the capabilities that the Sith do) are capable of twists it in ways that lead to the unnatural.

George likened it to symbiosis versus cancer. Jedi and other light side traditions work in symbiosis with the Force - remember, it controls your actions as well as obeys your commands - but the Sith twist and distort it and force it to work for them, rather than with them.

>>50298002
But the dark side also twists and corrupts you if you use it, like when you give into hatred- it drives you and gives you strength, but it's also addictive and has long-term harmful effects due to your body having to keep up with the backlash.
So wouldn't it be more like overtaxing your body or using your hatred to fuel ambition?

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>>50297064
>doesn't know how Tao works

Oh, capcha! Humps for a half mile? Yes please!

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>>50297553
Not one thing in this post is true.

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>>50297616

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>>50297650

>>50298065
The dark side is pretty much a drug, yes. The more you use it, the easier it is to use it and the more you WANT to use it.

As for health-related problems, Legends went back and forth on it; Freedon Nadd is a good example of the dark side weakening a body but it's also a pretty rare example - most of the Sith, really most dark siders in general, that show health problems have them mostly because of injuries, not because of using the dark side. The affectations of the dark side are more often a mental thing than a physical one, though there are physical side effects (like the yellowing of the eyes).

>>50297964
The musical analogy is a good one, anon!

>>50297918
I love my demongirls and such as much as the next guy but seriously these faggots genuinely are ruining all forms of paper and pen RPG's

>>50297673
>G0-T0 a shit
I liked the idea of a droid/AI being a criminal kingpin.

>>50296132
He really doesn't. He seems to think the Force is some puppeteering entity that enslaves people.

>>50296095
>and him killing a Balrog was more a metaphysical battle of a divine force of good incarnate defeating a powerful force of evil incarnate, something humans or dwarves which don't directly represent good would have no chance of stopping.
And let's not forget--he didn't win. It was a stalemate and they both died, Gandalf was just able to come back due to the extreme circumstances of the War of the Ring.

>>50296095
additionally, a wizard in tolkienverse is not a guy who knows magic its a fucking angel in human form.

>>50291773
>As stupid does, stupid is.

fucking underrated

>>50297964
Eru Ilúvatar turned morgaths dissonance into harmony every time. checkmate faggot.

>>50292173
I once ran a campaign with tons of NPC portraits. i photoshopped my face onto all the npcs, including the women. the pcs laughed every time they met the next ridiculous looking npc. it was not a very serious game.

>>50292330
all cleric party best party.

did that once in a horror campaign.

dm got annoyed at our effectiveness in combat and stepped up his monster stats.

then he forgot to step them back down when we fought non undead and we all almost died.

was kindof funny. he was like "what happened, you guys usually do shittons more damage than that!" "a horde of werebats are not undead, dan. we do like triple damage against undead things."

>>50295506

That, and why would you pass up the opportunity to charge up Visas' boarding ramp?

>>50291773
>Didn't notice Anakin's obvious descent into the dark side
>"The Dark Side made them all stupid"

>>50298623
Erm, He really didn't, faggot. He really didn't. And then He had Sauron reprise the disharmony with Numenor, and Eru had to ACTUALLY GET OFF HIS ASS AND INTRODUCE A WHOLE NEW MOVEMENT THAT COMPLETELY ALTERED THE MIDDLE EARTH SYMPHONY FOREVER AND EVER, CHANGING THE EARTH TO A SPHERE AND ISOLATING THE UNDYING LANDS.
tl;dr - disharmony's a bitch

>>50291546
>not requiring this stat for all pc's
Its like you dont even want to ERP.

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>>50291160
I'd love to play a campaign as a Sith apprentice being picked up by a Jedi master after the Jedi killed the Sith's master and went "If the dark side is stronger, how come I killed your master?" and the apprentice is like pic related.

Despite being completely casual towards doing horrible things, the Sith actually puts and honest attempt into following the Jedi's teachings.

>>50293331
Balance to the force, in the movies, means basically balancing a pizza on you finger. The dark side tilts it and makes it scatter on the floor.

>>50292857
>putting the ot on a pedestal
>acting like theyre actually amazing movies rather than simply okay movies with a good plot and character arcs but shit pacing and pathetic action sequences, that led to kicking off a franchise with far better media.
>TCW(2007)>dark horse eu comics>kotor 1>rebels>kotor 2>e6>e5>e4>e2>e1>e7>e3

>>50297064
>who is mace windu

>>50299109
corellian jedi are best jedi.
jedaii>jedi
several other force orders > jedi and sith.

>>50297616
Being a Gray Jedi typically means you do bad things for good reasons. Calling upon te Dark side of the Force is bad, but doing it so you can more effectively protect a group of innocent people is good, so it balances out.
However, "Gray Jedi" can also mean a Jedi who refuses to subscribe to the Jedi or Sith's absolutist philosophy of "my side is good, their side is bad".
Hell, even in Star Wars canon (not anymore thanks to disney, but fuck disney, it's still canon to me) the original Jedi (the Jed'ai) were all about balancing the Light and the Dark to avoid going full autist, until those who leaned Dark-side shut themselves away in a temple, so those who leaned light-side decide to go Paladin and slaughtered most of the Dark siders in the name of balance.

>>50299235
Wasn't he an ex-Sith though?

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>mentions /tg/

>>50295995
>Playing an atheist
>In a setting where you can literally call the gods up and have them answer questions, or where they routinely interfere in mortal affairs.

I don't even care about the "Gods are real I just dont care about them" or "They're just strong outsiders, I don't bow down to every Wizard that passes through town" ""atheist"" PCs, just the ones that insist there's no such things as gods in a setting where the gods could literally come down from the heavens and slap him across the face for being so fucking stupid.

I don't blanket ban them, but I do request that they re-think their character before resubmitting it.

>>50295570
You've never played a Physic have you?

>>50298405
G0-T0 was neat, and I did like how you could still trace everything he's doing back to his original "Fix the Republic" command mindset.

We did end up having one campaign where an AI was the villain, though our DM tried to do the whole "Ooh, he may or may not be an AI" bit, even though it was dead obvious he was (no one's ever seen him in person, he leads massive armies of robots, enacts multiple complicated plans with long-term goals with flawless efficiency, his name was Zero-One).

Campaign was still great though. We didn't even interact with Zero-One himself until the very end because we were too busy dealing with a massive civil war he instigated, and by then he'd already accomplished his goals, the main body we were speaking with wasn't necessary anymore, so the only reason to fight him was just for cathartic reasons.

Long story short, he was a very very ancient AI who was just tired, and planned on dismantling himself and using his own mind and programming as the basis for a new race of cyborg people, but didn't know bow the galaxy would react to such a thing. Since we solved the civil war thing semi-peacefully(via taking out the heads of both sides and planting our own spies in their place, basically putting us in control of the resulting government), he decided the chance of us flat-out genociding this new race was unlikely(albeit a war was forseeable and deemed an acceptable consequence), so he put said plan into action.

I miss that campaign.

>>50299109
>Bad guy who gets turned to the good side
>He tries to be a good guy, but he's pretty bad at it
>He's trying his best though

I'd play it

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>>50299884
>have you been to this great site called 1d4chan? It's where I get my ideas for 40k from

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>>50300368
>I saw this hiLARIOUS story on teegee about Old Man Henderson
>I'm going to make a giant backstory full on bullshit because I want to play something like that
>I'll bet no one's ever thought of this before.

Had to kick 3 of these fucks in the last month. Unsurprisingly, every single one of them got into a huff and threw a fit because I wouldn't even look at their giant fucking novel of a backstory after saying "one paragraph, 3 at the absolute most."

>>50299253
>jedaii>jedi
by that logic, luuke>luke

>>50291160
Alright let's get the list ready so we can get the triggering out of the way:
>Playing beast folk of any kind in the human centric campaign, especially half-dragons.
>Gnomes
>Character portrait, stats, and background being expy for generic anime character #9000.
>Clerics/Paladins for the God/Goddess of Love
>Clerics/Paladins for the God/Goddess of Death
>Mechanists of any kind, only for fantasy games.
>Lone Wolf characters
>Characters centered around the concept of 'family man/woman'
>"I roll to persuade"
>"I rolled my character at home"
>"It's from the SRD"
>Loli characters
>On computers, phones, 3DS.

>>50300495
>>"I roll to persuade"
Allow me to be That Guy's Advocate and say that some people just aren't that good at talking. I usually ask them what specifically they want to convince the target to do, and either they RP it in-character or just give a simple description.
If it's not abused, this is fine.

>>50300467
>precursor organization to the jedi is better than what they became.
>by that logic (gibberish)

good job

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>>50291160
everybody want to be a Jedi. I like space pilots and agents. Also while I have you all here, I have a question. Has there ever been a force user who, while they can use the force, kept it secret so they are not bothered by Jedi or Sith, nor care anything about being a Jedi or Sith? Mind you they are not on the level of a Jedi or Sith, but can move small object with their powers or read surface thoughts at times.

>>50300622
The issue is that these characters always come off as super-snowflakey to me:
>I wanna have force powers, but I don't wanna be accountable for my actions!
I'm sure there are a few good players that can pull it off, but I'm not holding my breath. I've played with enough shitters in SW systems that I'd prefer to not deal with it.

>>50291160
>a cool ... lightsaber that...
I've always enjoyed the idea of lightsabers assembled without proper guidance, from an incomplete written form of the instructions, or built by people with an understanding of technology and craftsmanship that have weird or cool secondary effects, as long as they make some kind of sense.

>>50293331
You dick monster the force isn't some yin yang shit, there was never a 'light side' in the os. Just the force, which was balance, and the dark side, which was imbalance

>>50291664
I once played a LN Darwinist druid. This was mostly to snark at the team rogue and fighter doing stupid things, but still.

Amongst other things he frowned on unnecessary violence, insisted that corpses were made use of, even going as far as digging up a gravesite and using the bodies as fertilizer. He went through a bunch of legal loopholes for this, but sadly the locals (who had no say in it) were not thrilled, even through their fields would have flourished!

>>50299825
NO.
Sith extinct for 1000 years?

>>50292330
There are like tons of ways this could be awesome.

>All bard party
Be a medieval rockband. Take turns bailing out each other from screaming fans. Have wild, undecipherable love affairs spanning centuries, where both players and characters forget who they slept with.

>All druid party.
Debate about nature conversation strategies. Overall, tend to moderation but have to find ways to deal with extremists acting on their own. Vehemently disagree on the methods, but agree on thw goals.

>All skeleton party
Discuss the benefits of milk. Spook people.

>>50300622
does post rotj-pre thrawn trilogy mara count? actually, i feel like this comes up a few times with zahn/stackpoole

>>50292875
>Not having a ninja communist secret society.
Why do you even play paranoia?

>>50300926
Eh. I think I heard some sort of rumor a while back that he created/studied Vapaad under Sith instruction or something. Must have just been someone blowing hot air after all.
Probably just disremembered it because he's the only practitioner of Form VII that didn't go dark side.

>>50296176
Did we even see who actually stabbed Han?
For all we know he could have done it himself to help Ren.
Knowing the plan, and all that. From our and the others' perspective Ren did it, but we don't know for sure.

>>50291502
A miserable pile of ineffectual punches?

>>50301001
the novel shatterpoint goes into it.

>>50291727
That just means he could be a heavily disguised Gand with implanted respirator and tesla coils.

>>50300173
In FR, atheists are canon, and there is a special terrible afterlive for them.

>>50301087
>gods are perfectly proven thing in the world
>not worshiping at least one gets your soul walled

You would have to be a complete idiot to not at least pay lip service to one.

>>50292401
Chaotic anything which requires swearing a vow or oath.

Seriously, vows and oaths are things that form parts of moral codes that you live your life by. If you have no moral code, you have no right to say "can I be a thing which needs me to have a moral code".

>280 posts in
>still arguing Star Wars

>>50301175
>7 movie franchisee
>only 2 of them are good

>>50298665
You have my keks today, I need more stupid silly games in my life

>>50301118
I'm curious now actually, do you get soul walled if you only worship Ao, or is there a unique afterlife? I can't remember which game it was that allowed your cleric or paladin to convert to Ao worship and thereby lose their divine powers.

>>50301196
none of the movies are particularly good, anon. the only starwars stuff that is actually good is either no longer canon, or a 3d animated series.

>>50294627
That is both hilarious and sad. Hang in there, mate.

>>50291874
source?

>>50293531
They will learn.....

Someone get the Hogfather comic with death giving children swords

>>50295845
Muh honor

>>50293870
Go fuck yourself anon

I loved that scene too btw
"Could ya be a little more specific, coz we kiiinda made out"

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>>50295303
>>50295383
>liking bestiality
>ever

You deserved to be butchered and cooked for dinner like the animals you lust after.

>>50294627
De vocal cord parasites must COPULAAAATE

>>50291160
It's not the prequels, turbofag. You just described a full half of all the Jedi characters from the EU.

>>50291356
I thought it was force-consenses mists from korriban?

Trans character in a world with magic, anyone playing a kobold, chaotic neutral wizard.

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>>50301348

Ok, so rate the edge of this character concept, cause I love it, but worry it's shit.
Slave sees his master be killed by someone, hears them recite the sith code, and learns from someone else that what that person was is called a sith. He goes out into the universe calling himself sith, and practicing the force, but focuses on the freedom part of the code, and acts as an agent of freedom.

When a player has you arrested for punching him, that's a red flag.

>>50291289
Grey Jedi were never even mentioned in the movies, as far as I remember. Pretty sure this is about the expanded universe.

>>50301025
I'd call this the most retarded thing I will ever read in my life but I'm sure you'll post something with even more extra chromosomes soon.

>>50301697
I just re-watched the scene, and i was wrong.
Ren definitely stabbed Han.

However the way they were talking suggested there was more than what was shown.

>>50301754
I take back my snide comment, anon. You posted the three least written words on 4can whe you said, "I was wrong."

I'll follow suit and said I was wrong for snarking.

So... now.... make up sex?

>>50301802
You would be surprised. I think it's said here more often than in any other online community.

>>50301675
...Why did you punch him in the first place?
It's a fucking game, man, don't sperg out.

>>50301802
No worries mate, she'll be right.

I suppose we can debate what the actual fuck Han and Ren were talking about on the bridge.
That's some odd shit to say, and hopefully it's shown what the shit is going on, in ep 8-9.

>>50301339
Mongo bongo.

>>50292275
Best thing about SWTOR.

>>50291491
I don't know, Yoda insinuated pretty hard that he knew about Padme when he was talking to Anakin about his visions in RotS.

If Anakin had followed that advice, Padme would be fine.

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>>50291356
>khyber crystals are knockoff crystals
>khyber pass guns are knockoff guns made in Pakistan/Afghanistan

LUCAS, YOU MADMAN.

>>50291160
Weekend surely is here.
All the edgester high schoolers posting these shitty threads...

>>50291838
There's no way that kid goes into his yard.

>>50302648
Saturday is almost over, of course the weekend is here. It's nearly gone.

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ITT: OP is a fag who tries to shove his opinion down other peoples throat
>Hurr durr muh oreeginal treelogee

>>50291160
I was going to come in here to bring a little knowledge about the Force, but the thread is long, the first few posts reek of idiocy and ignorance and I'm too tired to deal with this shit.

So, I'll just say this:

The Old Jedi Order were a product of millennia of stagnation. The Jedi Order that Luke founded in "Legends" was far closer to what they were supposed to be.

A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't obey the Council. See Jon Antilles.

The Dark Side is bad. End of story. The so-called "Light" is just another facet of the Force. The Dark Side is yet another facet, but one that imbalances the Force when it grows too strong.

>>50294867
TR8OR!

>>50295576
>>50295592
KOTOR is canon again. Star Wars Rebels is currently airing (by Disney) and is considered canon. The season 2 finale, the main cast went to Malachor (the same place you go to at the end of KOTOR 2) and find Traya's Sith holocron.

>>50302698
>The Jedi Order that Luke founded in "Legends" was far closer to what they were supposed to be.

A recruitment center for the Sith&other followers of the dark side? If your students fall to the darkness almost weekly then there might be something wrong with your teachings.

>>50302857
Most students came out of it stronger. There aren't that many that end up completely irredeemable.
Just like Luke when he "joined" the Emperor on Byss.

>>50291526
He just has a lot of midichlorians. This is canon.

>>50302817
Just because some elements of KOTOR are canon (like Malachor) doesn't mean that everything is.

>>50302696
> Defending the prequels
How does it feel being a gigantic faggot?

>>50303665
Dunno, you gonna keep posting so I can find out?

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>>50298753
?disharmony

Not really. Jazz became great for that reason.

Looks like your whole musical analogy turned to rat dick.

You need equal amounts of light side and dark side for balance to be reached in the force.