Eclipse Phase General /epg/

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So, assuming the habitat allows for Earth-like conditions, what does your average person wear as clothing in EP? Is it the usual sci-fi fashion disaster or is there clothing we'd recognize from today?

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>>50281439
Looking at the art in the books, most everyone seems to favour these space future body condoms or gravity-defying dresses (which might not be a problem depending on your hab). Though at least on Mars I'd like to picture people wearing "normal" stuff due to poverty and not facing decompression every moment in their life.

>>50280704
What's the source? None of the searches give me anything.

>>50280704
>the helmet is full of water
>there's not even a breathing tube
Gets me every time.

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>>50283692

Man I wish we had more original Eclipse Phase art like this

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Sylph

>>50285237
Mars Daybreak, some anime about Mars being a water world filled with submarines...and apparently, drowning dolphins in mecha suits.

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>>50286694
Yeah, not many drawfriends around that actually know about EP. There are like five or maybe six people I could find that have drawn EP things outside of official art, none of them on a regular basis. Guess Eclipse Phase is too niche for a big fanbase?

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>>50281439
Depends where you are.

Morningstar are probably generic scifi humanity with silly robes and shit that looked futuristic in the 70s.

PCdrones will wear tacky corporate brands and boring uniforms.

LLA probably has little to no civilian clothes, or something like gritty cyberpunk shit.

Glitterati will wear Lady GaGa "fashion" garbage.

Extropians probably wear the most sensible and respectable clothes. I imagine there's chic form/function blends that make it seem like everyone is a badass.

Jovians can't afford clothes.

Anarchists are probably very similar to the LLA, but with more Che shirts.

Brinkers wear mad scientist labcoats, t-shirts with their AGI/Muse 2D waifu digitally printed on, and/or MAGA hats.

Titanians probably wear slick, military-influenced uniforms. 2nd best dressed.

Ultimates wear kimonos and trenchcoats.

>>50290065
So many wrong.

Morningstar are more neo-renaissance and artistry to clothing.

PC likely have future iterations of modern clothing, corporate brands and business attire.

LLA has blends of serious ethnic styles, as it's really the only place where those cultural groups still exist. Lunar design houses likely draw much from ethnic styles.

Glitterati wear the edge of fashion styles. GaGa is a good example. Future Haute Couture is a better one.

Extropians wear pirate designs of hot trends, and are constantly changing as competition shifts so quickly.

Jovians are the most utilitarian.

Anarchists are more spacer jumpsuits mixed with the classic cyberpunk look.

Brinkers tend to be likely more functional and heavily dependent on the kind of place it is, from weird togas to only wearing AR outifts and basically being naked.

Titanians you're close. Slick and smart mostly, military influenced uniforms.

Ultimates you're on the money with, but i'd also include body suits.

You forgot Scum which are likely all space rave outfits.

>>50287662
>Browning M2
>It's very clearly a DShK
holy shit what a fucking faggot

>>50290562
>Implying Russians even make guns that big

>>50290979
weak bait

>>50281835
>having glasses purely for novelty reasons
>not being completely utilitarian

LUDDITE GET OUT

>>50292489
Stop forcing this shit.

>>50290295
Post the passages from the books. You've implicitly claimed all you posted is canon: post the parts from the books that prove your claims.

>So many wrong.

>you're close.

>you're on the money with

Stop pushing your headcanon as fact.

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>>50291079
Now now, don't bully the good doctor. He just wants to reassure his patients that they are in fact dealing with a civilized sort of ape. It's the little detail that's supposed to assure them he would never just grab and fling them across half the habitat...

>>50290065
>LLA probably has little to no civilian clothes, or something like gritty cyberpunk shit.
LLA is the fucking fashion capital of the system.

>>50286668
Superoxygenated liquid, duh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdlyM7w8PM

>>50291079
If he didn't have glasses, how would you know that he's smart?

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>>50293095
>>50291079

Also could be Specs.

>>50293121

why would you use specs if you aren't a dity luddite jovian who deserves nothing but a slow and agonizing death for your antitranshumanism statist nonanrchististc noncommunual luddite ways

>>50290065

>
Extropians probably wear the most sensible and respectable clothes. I imagine there's chic form/function blends that make it seem like everyone is a badass.

golly gee billy I wonder who your favourite faction is

>>50293376
Because you can isolate wavelengths with them. Can't do that with enhanced vision.

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>>50293376
>>50293407

Also you can probably buy specs out of a vending machine in like 5 minutes as opposed to waiting around a couple hours and paying service charges to get Enhanced Vision installed. And is that implant covered by your insurance? How's your rental agreement looking?

>>50293482
I don't have rental bodies because i'm not a statist capitalist luddite pig, I own the means of production as a worker in the perfect anarchist utopia i live in you luddite fucks, get with the times and either adapt or die

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>>50293517

Oh, so you don't have Specs OR Enhanced Vision because the queue for both fabbers and healing vats is slam full of more important people with more important implants and gear - and your rep isn't great because you're a tryhard.

>>50293517
>Weak bait

>>50293542
Snap

>>50293407
You just need a sense filter for that though.

>>50293977

That doubles your cost though. [Low][Low] instead of just [Low]. It's also a Cyberware addition, which IIRC is even longer time in the vat.

>>50292927
>Post the passages from the books.

There are no passages about fashion except small details on Lunar and Mars design houses which don't go into incredible specifics except how Lunar design houses tend to design better for lower g environments.

You can infer from what details you know about each society what fashion trends would exist, and where they come from.

Please keep sucking that canon boner like a good little bitch though.

>>50290065
>Ultimates wear kimonos and trenchcoats.

They wear togas you dip.

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>>50294275
Armored chameleon togas with reactive coating? Or was it saris with thermo-optical camo?

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>tfw you steal the birth body of a female Jovian soldier, sleeve her into an emaciated orangutan body, and repeatedly rape her before handing her ego over to Nine Lives in exchange for sweet new blueprints

Just another day in the life of the Jovian Anarchist Cells

>>50294701

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to steal her body and then just record XP of it having a lot of premarital sex. A threesome, with one other woman and the guy wearing a condom.

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>>50294725
Why not both?

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>>50294119
>Please keep sucking that canon boner like a good little bitch though.

>Pushing headcanon as fact and then getting mad when people call you out for that.


^

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Need 2 players for a game running tomorrow at 7 EST. The premise is that you're all going to be hanging around Extropia as a sort of freelance clique, bit of a noir feel to the whole thing, but with a great deal of freedom for players. Reply to this post and I'll drop you a Discord invite.

>>50290295
>>50294119
If you changed "so many wrong." to "I think that:" you wouldn't be such a faggot.

>>50296305
this

You guys are boring. I'm going to play GURPS Uplift

>>50298708

Will you fuck an underfed orangutan there?

>>50299158
Orangutans aren't uplifted int that setting

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>>50299205

Let me guess, they have dumb picks, like cats and dogs?

>>50299249
Chimpanzees and dolphins mostly. Dogs are in the works, but orangutan uplift has been held back by near-extinction and galactic politics.

>>50299297
Bonobos? Gorillas? Elephants?

Fucking dogs, though? There's a dozen better non-ape candidates.

>>50299655
Dogs are really easy to work with thanks to millennia of coevolution. Gorillas and elephants are also in progress. The setting was written before bonobos became well known.

>>50299694
We bred out the smart traits when we domesticated them, though. Through breeding for friendliness, we thoroughly neotenized them. They act like puppies because the dog brain is that of a wolf puppy. They are most definitely not fit for uplifting.

>>50299745
>All dogs are toy breeds
>What's a border collie?

>>50299801
No. You don't fucking get it. Even a border collie is neotenized.

>>50299899
So are humans. Neoteny aids learning.

>>50299745

So would that make a wolf more suitable for uplifting, or are the capacities of canids to limited to reasonably make that leap?

>>50301138
If anything you'll probably want to start with a dog and introduce specific sequences from wolves as needed.

>>50293404
Actually I hate those Randroid fucks, but I get the impression they are the most fashionable bunch.

If it wasn't obvious enough, I identify most strongly with the Brinker crowd.

>>50293542
>because the queue for both fabbers and healing vats is slam full of more important people with more important implants and gear - and your rep isn't great because you're a tryhard.

Public fabbers are a convenience, most everyone in an anarchist hab has their own private fabber in residence. The fabbers themselves are quite simple devices, the scarce part of the equation is blueprints, not access or materials.

>>50293542
>want to get access to fabbers, healing vats
>put my name down for use of fabbers, healing vats
>have to wait two weeks

>want to get access to fabbers, healing vats
>visit Fab(YOU)lous store
>we can see you right away
>costs two weeks of wages

>>50303423
See
>>50302877

Fabbers are not rare in anarchist space. They're ubiquitous.

>>50302877
There is also the problem of energy and heat balance.

Fabber produces waste heat much faster than conventional craft methods. So you need to somehow dump it into space through radiation fast enoguh to keep up with all the fabbers in the habitat. Which also means you need to dump waste heat from all the fusion reactors that support energy needs of these fabbers.

If there is no limitations on fabber time your hab probably looks like flower with enormous radiator petals.

>>50303625
Energy isn't a serious problem, it's more abundant even than feedstock.

Your point about heat is just not supported by the setting. Whatever mechanism you're applying to the process of nanofabrication is not the mechanism used in setting.

>>50303691
I don't apply any mechanisms. They are completely irrelevant here. No matter how you create your items you will have some waste heat. Unless you want to throw physics out the window completely. The problem with nanofabs and heat is that they cram all the energy required to create some item from say a day into an hour or a couple of minutes even. So the heat that would have 24 hours to radiate now needs to be removed in this new much smaller time. Which means getting much bigger radiators.

>>50304053
That's not how assembly works. Conventional construction creates (still quite minimal and insignificant) heat because it involves an enormous amount of inefficient movement and activity. Nanofabrication near-instantly assembles things at the particulate level. This will again create a completely insubstantial amount of heat, as the work done to assemble the object is far less than the work needed to construct it, and its construction puts off a really miniscule amount to begin with.

>>50304147
Not to mention the fact that any waste heat actually produced in the process is probably used as electricicty, possibly to supplement the fabber's own energy needs.

>>50304147
So a work to overcome molecular forces that normally need blast furnace or its analogue to do is less than just cutting a piece of metal? You have some funny notions of less work.

>>50304204
You have a truly warped idea about nanofabrication if you think it's less efficient than conventional methods of construction.

>>50304227
I just don't assume that physics go on a vacation during it.

Your nanbots got 2 molecules/atoms of steel to connect? They'll need to expend enough energy to do so. Same goes for every material.

>>50280263
What is the source of that?

>>50304181
Waste heat is called that for a reason. It is wasted energy, which is impossible to avoid.

>>50304279
Still they are right in the fact that it could be more efficient than a forge, and require less energy. It would still be more complex than just forging the thing, but the flexibility a nano fabricator would offer will outweight the disadvantages when compared to a factory in certain situations.

>>50304457
Oh I agree that it is more effective. You can apply energy directly to molecules/atoms instead of heating the whole volume containing them. Problem is the best materials still need a lot of energy to create due to their structure. It's the whole reason you want to use them in the first place - their molecules need a lot of energy to connect/break.

And fabber tries to contain all this to a smallish area and somehow not melt in the process. So radiators it is.

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>>50304413
Some Adam Warren comic, possibly Dirty Pair.

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>>50304513
The other problem is that nanofabrication is sensitive to thermal noise and in most cases needs active cooling for any kind of accuracy. One watt in the fabricator becomes five in the refrigerator.

>>50304181
This reduces the temperature at which the heat is radiated, increasing the necessary size of your radiators. This is offset a bit by having less total heat to reject, but unless you're dealing with extremely high temperature heat sources this probably isn't worth it.

>>50304792
That's only the case in the most sensitive applications where occasional lattice dislocation can cause problems. For your major use cases that's not going to be a big deal.

>>50305247
You mean like in most EP tech that runs on super thin margins of error to get to its effectiveness? For AK-47 it probably won't be any problem. For some super-duper rifle with insane RoF it will be a difference between normal operation and cracked barrel in the first combat.

>>50305368
Wait are we talking about atomic dislocation or machining tolerance? Because there's no thermal noise issue I'm aware of with the latter?

>>50305457
Hmm where will this issue crop up?

Superconductors?
EP computers that are included in many weapons?
Magnetic containment systems for fusion reactors and antimatter?
Something else?

As I understand the bigger the allowed deviations the more "waste" there will be in any system and the more robust it must be made to counteract possible problems.

>>50305512
Superstrong carbon nanoshit is a great example of a case where it certainly might matter (if it's being used for tensile strength well above that of normal materials, for instance).

It may also be important for especially tiny computing elements and for very fancy sensor systems.

I don't know enough about superconductors to answer that one.

>>50305512
Also, high performance lasing media are often quite sensitive to imperfections. I'll probably think of some more things.

>>50305675
>I don't know enough about superconductors to answer that one
No one knows enough about EP superconductors.

>>50305852
I think it's really difficult to apply any kind of hard SF sensibility to Eclipse Phase. It's not just a handful of technologies that are extrapolated optimistically, it's everything.

I appreciate it for what it is, but it's essentially space opera, and trying to figure out why things work the way they do is about as useful as trying to figure out why the deflector dish on the Enterprise can stop a supernova or send the crew back in time.

>>50304181
Waste heat does not work that way.

>>50304147
Theoretical nanofab designs today need to deal with cooling issues. It's not a deal breaker, but a lot of larger or faster designs have an icewater slurry flowing through them. Some of that is just because you need to keep them very cold to work best though.

>>50304227
A decent proxy for the energy use of nanofabrication is to just use the energy needed to melt or decompose the mass of the material being made. As such making metal or pure diamond things can be pretty energy intensive. It's not worse than standard manufacturing, those are just inherently high-energy processes.

>>50305512
Anything nanotech related. Hives, computers, superconductors (possibly), self repair systems. Most things in the end have really low margins.

>>50306856
>Some of that is just because you need to keep them very cold to work best though
The optimal temperature will be highly dependent on the exact molecular structures involved.

>>50306856
>Waste heat does not work that way.
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f13/fleurial.pdf
As mentioned earlier though, this means you need to reject heat at a lower temperature, which is more difficult.

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New player here. Our GM has just told us that we are gonna be a Reclaimer team, going down to Earth, stirring shit, stuff like that.

I will most likely run a Theseus decked out for survival and combat. How fucked I am?

We run the package character creation system from Transhuman btw. My plan is to go with Military Casualty 1 + Reclaimer 3 + Wrecker 5 + Jack of All Trades. Any advice on Skills, Gear and such?

>>50307626
Phoenix. Like take it. If master allows to take it 3 times take it 3 times. Cause you gonna die. You gonna die horribly. And you gonna die frequently. Everyone does. That's reclaimers for you.

It doesn't really matter what you take. Just make sure that you have different morphs (bio, synth, pod) in the group and no one has open communication channels. Good luck.

>>50307698
> If master allows
What the fuck, are you some kind of sexual deviant?

>>50302866
Shadowdragon go and stay go.

>>50310398
Again, I'm not your silly SJW boogeyman.

>>50310488
You're a libcuck either way.

>>50310504
Quite the opposite, I want to fash out.

>Brinkers wear mad scientist labcoats, t-shirts with their AGI/Muse 2D waifu digitally printed on, and/or MAGA hats.

>>50307626

Well you're fucked, apart of phoenix mind for QE comm (yes, it's not original but every piece of info counts) and a good psychosurgeon network. I don't think you can afford all of it, if that's the case discard the mental health plan.

Kudos to you, playing hard mode in your first game.

>>50310398
Who is this Shadowdragon I occasionally hear about?

>>50312681
Questionnaire guy.

>>50312681
>>50312878
http://eclipsephase.com/octojean-veinous-gets-another-sidekick-means-its-nsfw-folks-ones-marilith-pod
The ride never ends.

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>>50313033
>http://eclipsephase.com/octojean-veinous-gets-another-sidekick-means-its-nsfw-folks-ones-marilith-pod

Holy shit, seriously? Fuck this stupid cunt. I can't begin to imagine what kind of fucked up garbage goes on in his "games"

>>50314844

Reading through that thread, apparently he thinks it's bioconservative to hate his monstrosity.

If being disgusted at the idea of a vore loli snake is "bioconservatism" then I'm pretty fucking sure 99% of surviving transhumanity are hardline biocons. You don't need to be a Jovian to be revolted at something like that.

>>50315041(me)

I meant to reply to>>50313033 but whateverschmebber

>>50309180
No, it's just a shortening of DM - Dungeon Master. In my language it sounds much better.

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Lastation will rise in the Belt and dominate your heathen realms.

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>>50318266
>>50319015

>>50318266
What does Neptunia have to do with Eclipse Phase?

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>>50319293

In the X-Risks short story, I don't get why this Jake Carter guy was so worried about people dying when literally every single one could be resleeved easily. Isn't death so cheap in this setting that massive loss of "life" is seen as acceptable by basically everyone that isn't a biocon?

>>50320244
>I don't get why this Jake Carter guy was so worried about people dying

It's because his Muse hadn't been able to contact his stockbroker and buy shares in companies specialising in morph creation. The thought of all that potentially wasted profit is surely enough to make any person think twice before committing to an action that involves the suffering of others.

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>>50320538
But he's an established Barsoomian that hates the PC. Unless you're insinuating he's an Oversight plant

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>>50318266

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Well /epg/, who have time to egocast to Marseilles and tell these wacky commies that the EM drive is archaic technology

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>>50320244
>Isn't death so cheap in this setting
It's cheaper than IRL but there's still a massive body shortage. There are tens (hundreds?) of thousands of infugees who need morphs.

>>50320244
Bodies for the average person are really expensive. They're like houses. You can theoretically get a new one if you lose your old one, but it's a huge investment.

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Where are the multi-armed humanoid morphs?

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>>50324856
It's a little strange that additional limbs have to be cybernetic. With EP tech surely they could rearrange the skeleton and musculature to make it work.

>>50320244
Depending on the nature of the death, it's as acceptable as rape or whatever other highly traumatic experience you can think of.

>>50324931
While you could, note that (besides Octomorphs) all biomorphs with more than four limbs are pods.

>>50324829
>>50324841

So he's one of those people that worries about the destruction of peoples' homes or property, rather than their lives or well being. Which is weird because the vocabulary and words he uses implies that he actually gives a shit about their individual lives suffering, and not from worrying about resleeving costs, morph availability, etc.

I thought that wasn't the norm in EP? Why should people outside of the Jovian Republic give a shit about individual egos when forking, backups and resleeving is ubiquitous? Infugees might be waiting in line but they're going to come back to life eventually.

Is there any part of this setting that isn't strictly utilitarian about everything? Is being a humanitarian seen as odd or naive? The game devs would answer the autonomists, but I'm not convinced in that regard.

>>50326342
>Is there any part of this setting that isn't strictly utilitarian about everything?
No faction is strictly utilitarian about everything. They're either too corrupt, too ideological, or both.

>>50326342
The only real utilitarians are Exhumans. Everyone else gets pretty sentimental about human rights abuses, even if they still happen.


Bear in mind that a mass casualty scenario is rarely going to involve a lot of peaceful non-traumatizing death. A Rape Ray isn't really better than a Death Ray for comparison. You can argue that it's not as bad, but it's still something to avoid.

>>50328283 (me)
(Some Exhumans anyway, a lot are much less pure)

>>50326342
>So he's one of those people that worries about the destruction of peoples' homes or property, rather than their lives or well being.

No, he doesn't want people to suffer through being body-less for a protracted amount of time, potentially forever given the current state.

>>50328306

Considering he's a redneck with a pretty hardline stance about Indenture that isn't surprising.

>>50326342
>Is being a humanitarian seen as odd or naive?

Within the setting, probably not. It's just easy, when reading a roleplaying game, to focus on the mechanical aspects of things rather than consider what people "in setting" would think.

If you could buy a bomb for five hundred credits, you might ask why everyone doesn't just throw bombs around all the time because it's so cheap. When, really, you might be better off asking "why would most people want to buy bombs?"

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>>50331452

It doesn't help that much of the in-setting stuff is written by jaded Firewall agents who all like looking at the bigger picture of things and tends to talk about macro-scale things. Exceptions exist of course but that seems to be the general trend when Firewall characters talk about stuff.

The game doesn't seem to have any heart at all, when I know that it can have it and has shown hints of it, when the in-setting NPCs aren't Firewall proxies.

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>>50332532

I know I basically said the same thing with "looking at the bigger picture" and "macro-scale things", that's what you get when you roll out of bed and type vague things on a keyboard seconds later.

But yeah, I'd really like it if the crime book was written from the in-game perspective of actual, ordinary criminals. Not pessimistic, anarchist-leaning Firewall agents who lectures me about how crime is a problem in the inner system, but never a big deal in anarchist societies because the rep network magically solves everything.

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>>50332590
When everyone is a criminal, no one is.

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Guys, I do not get something.

Eclipse Phase is a game with awards, more than five years old now, with its core rulebook (and a slew of supplements) available legally online for download.

It is created according to fairly professional standards, if the books I saw are any indication, is lavishly typeset and illustrated.

According to my current downloaded book being "fourth printing" at least three earlier printings exist; so at least some books of each of those printings were likely sold. The tiered, living errata means that whatever problems arise are dealt with by the devs.

The latest book in the franchise was released only this year, as far as I know (X-Risks, I believe).

There is a frigging Fate Core conversion.

There is dedicated tablets and other mobile devices support.

So... where are the games? I've been searching for someone to GM since the core dropped and it was the only book to be had, somewhere in '10-11. This discrepancy kinda makes me wonder how such an ostensibly popular game has a such low online footprint. Can someone explain this?

>>50335918
EP is a rather complicated system and not a lot of people like it. It's easier to convert a system to SF than play eclipse phase at times

>>50335918
It's a complicated system with a dense setting.

>>50335918
It has problems attracting players and keeping them.

For example I can give you examples from forum games site.

There is a couple of hundreds of active players. And there is more than enough players that like sci-fi. There is even around 20 GURPS players.

There was four. FOUR. 4! Games in Eclipse Phase. Two of them were done by the same master who is a good master but constantly has RL problems so they petered out. One was botched at second scene due to master being incapable to gradually acquaintance players with the setting and presenting too much variables from the start. The last one goes right now at a snails pace of around 4 posts a week.

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>>50335918
It has a reputation for being a bit obnoxious with the politics. I know ultimately it depends on the players but if you play online you are likely to encounter some real freaks, which is kind of a vicious cycle since they're the ones most likely to keep playing when no one else wants to run a game.

>>50335918
I think there's a few things driving it.

Eclipse Phase games aren't super rare online in my (limited) experience, but they fill up really fast. I think that happens because many more people want to play than GM the system/setting.

I also mostly play offline though. Perks of being a foreverGM is having a harem/stable of players to play whatever game you want.

So then have you guys successfully introduced players who didn't have a lot of experience in sci-fi RPGs or who weren't familair with transhumanism to the setting? Is it completely impossible to grok the setting unless the players are forced to read the books or EP's inspirational material?

>>50336900

I have, but

>players are forced to read the books

Yeah no. Guess what, EP borrows and collects a lot of ideas into a single work, and to a lot of normal gaming crowds covers ideas and concepts both in the setting and mechanics other people aren't familiar with. If they aren't willing to try reading it, or aren't willing to sit down and shut the fuck up while playing and learn that way and have no right to be butthurt if they don't know what half the words you said are, then no. Reading is not required, but if they haven't like, watched Ghost in the Shell or read Altered Carbon or Snowcrash or any number of other touchstones then they aren't going to get into it quick. Everybody I got in I was able to say "hey, look at this cool game I found about like, super-high tech sci-fi fiction, and the books are free so come take a look".

But this applies to every game. If you haven't seen or read something based on Tolkien or played a fantasy RPG game would you wrap your head around shit like magic, and the different races and what the fuck some of these monsters are? Do you know who the fuck these gods people worship are if you don't read the book? We just take it for granted that DnD is so not obscure by /tg/ standards.

>>50336900
One bit at a time. I to use stuff like the premade adventures which are "bottled" in a limited part of the setting to avoid adding too many uncommon themes at once. Continuity does a good job of this IMO.

>You're the mind-backups of the crew of a remote station and are missing a week of memory.
Introduces the concepts of resleeving, egos, and backups in a fairly easy to understand way. (You woke up with a missing week of memory because that's when the backup was made)
>The station has gone dark and the garbled voice of the station AI is warning about dangers outside the medical area.
This is pretty standard stuff, AI weirdness and dangerous space stations aren't anything too out of the ordinary.
>We have to try to save the station but without using the nanofabricators because they crazy AI said not to.
Introduces nanofabrication and some of its dangers, implies the existence of stuff like the X-virus
>[spoilers]The non-backup versions of yourselves come back spreading an awful alien infection, so now you have to fight them and not get infected, and often this is a TPK[/spoilers]
This finishes introducing resleeving, forking, and backups, while showing off the X-virus and how responses to extreme conditions. A viable win condition is to have the party behead eachother and stick the heads in an escape pod (there isn't enough space for all their bodies). Shows off transhuman weirdness with death in extreme conditions.

Continuing the Continuity storyline should they escape is a good way to bring in more social aspects like Rep networks and the panopticon society.

I think Gatecrashing games are another good way to show off the technological aspects of the setting without bringing in an overload of information. I think a more low-key "slice of life" game somewhere like Luna could show off rep and the panopticon pretty well without having to deal with an overload of transhuman aspects.

The setting as a whole can be pretty hard to approach though.

>>50337111
Haha fucked up those spoilers

>>50337022
The thing is that I don't know who the fuck these gods are that people worship, and I've not got any knowledge whatsoever of the complicated planar cosmology involved in whatever DnD settings there are, but that sort of thing doesn't get in the way if you want to run DnD as a generic fantasy game. Eclipse Phase doesn't really come across as a generic science fiction game, and so knowledge of the setting becomes rather more important, because the stereotypes that you fall back on when you're not sure of something don't really exist in the game.

I'd be curious to know how well the game works with people who approach the game with no knowledge of the setting.

>>50304514

>releasing electrical discharge into orcas with teeth already around her arms

Mouths do not open during a electrical discharge straight in their mouths.

>>50338892
Also, she would probably kill herself in the process.

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>>50313033

>shadowdragon

I just realized a fucking huge glaring oversight.
In all those biomorphs and podmorphs and synthmorphs, there are no goo/slime people.
This is even though, the Factors are allegedly highly evolved slime molds.
And this is also despite the fact that such a body would be immensely useful in combat.
Imagine a smart swarm synth that isn't electric and can fit into tiny places, or an octomorph that is able to rearrange itself.
This all coming of course with reduced natural armor, and difficulty in high G and low pressure environments.

The way i went right now is to take an Aquanaut morph of the amphibious skin breathing slimy type, and buy a trait that was originally intended for synths only, letting you rearrange your body thanks to smart materials and whatnot.

>>50339346

Bouba/Squishbot.

>>50339346
>>50339480

Or
http://ephrep.blogspot.com/2016/09/amorph.html

Has anyone ever fought a Bushbot before?

The second I read their description I was already ready to nope the fuck out of any situation involving them.

>>50339480
>Bouba/Squishbot.
is that a thing?
>>50339515
not in the books though

>>50339480
>>50339808
Check the section on Flexbots in Transhuman.

>>50339623
I GM'ed a fight against one. They're pretty rough, but a well equipped party managed to down one with only 2 casualties. It wasn't going as all out as I could have run it though.

>>50339993
>Flexbots
But flexbots are tiny and generally just... you know... hard robots that can change into different shapes. not actually like jelly.

>>50339993
How big was this party?

>>50340089

Unless it's a Bouba or has Squishbot

>>50340089
Seriously, read the flexbot rules in Transhuman

>>50340285

Though technically, while many of them are phrased as "Flexbot Enhancements", I'm not sure things like Integrated Gear or Articulated Tool Mount should be restricted to Flexbots, and Squishbot already has the limitation of needing Shape Adjusting.

>>50332590
Gas Jovefags out of existence.

>>50339623
>Has anyone ever fought a Bushbot before?
If by fought you mean "had most of my team cut down and lucked out of a minor victory by practically cratering an acre of land with a large volley of plasma missile fire", then yes.

It was fucking horrible.

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>>50339623
yeah it's scary

>>50345459
>the scum love him, and won't stop making AI portraits in endless varieties
>they mostly mail them to Titan and the LLA

>>50345759
You forget about Bush Jr., the Jovian moonlet that has dicks drawn all over it with high-power lasers.

>>50340113
5 players. It ambushed and killed two of them, and in response the rest of the party dropped two backpacks full of plasma explosives into the room.

That mostly destroyed the bushbot, but also fried a cortical stack, and they finished it off with plasma rifles.

>>50348642
I assume the graffiti is blamed on anarchists but question the plausibility. If there was such a massive anarchist presence hidden in the naval gunnery corps they would presumably have made a move outside the span of fire exercises. .

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>>50352557
Maybe some Jovian Marines were just a little bored waiting for the return of the TITANs and got a little trigger-happy...we will never know. Unless someone releases the XP, of course.

>>50352255
TFW TITAN waifu.

>>50353602
>tfw TITAN's waifu

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>>50354093

>>50352789
Nope. Fleet training exercises. It was named after the dicks were made. Before that it was just a numbered moonlet.

>>50355054
Its named for a rocky outcropping that resembles the historical figure, and the geographic scale phalluses are concentrated on the far side of the moonlet's northern hemisphere.

>>50278303
Dumb question.

How does Eclipse Phase compare to Transhuman Space?

>>50355910
favorably

>>50356016
okay then, I will give it a read then....

Ive been told many times that Eclipse Phase has a pretty complicated system. How complicated is it really? I know it's percentile based.

>>50356016
>>50356136
So this is basically "Altered Carbon" with more trans-human elements?

>>50356388
Margins of successes, mental disorders with mechanics, weapon range is effected by the gravity you're on, and hacking that requires a flow chart.

>>50356388
The core system isn't super complicated. It's a pretty normal D100 system with degrees/margin of success. I'd say its overall similar to the 40KRPGs, much of it is a little simpler, but combat can be about as complicated thanks to speed.

That said, it's a complicated system because of all the things to track. Combat gets a lot more complicated when it's between people with super advanced camo trying to spot each other with superhuman senses. There's so much gear and environmental things to think about that it ends up being pretty weird.

Like, normal people fighting with pistols is pretty easy, but invisible mini-attack helicopters dueling through the ruins of a space station isn't, and the latter is just about as likely as the former.

Hacking is the only other complicated thing, and that's mostly because the book presents it in a confusing way, it's fairly easy to handle once you get used to it.

>>50356491
That's fairly accurate yeah, not a complete picture but pretty good.

>>50356874
>That's fairly accurate yeah, not a complete picture but pretty good.
Its been a fun read so far...

>>50356606
>>50356874

I keep getting it mixed up, is the margin of success (30, and over) checked against your maximum chance of success, or against your opponent in a contested skill check?

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>>50335918
>why won't anyone GM for me??? ;_;

Run it yourself.

That's it. That's the only way.

>b-b-but I've never played!

Neither has anyone else. It's up to you.

>>50358332

MoS is the number you roll on the dice - it's a blackjack system. Closer without going over. So every roll of 30+ is Excellent, every roll of 60+ is Double Excellent.

>>50358958
In case this sounds needlessly complicated, it's actually the opposite. It has no game effect. Doing it this way just means that you don't need to do as much math.

>>50360252
LOL Stephanie Molgnegne

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>>50356874
Well that sucks. I'm really digging EP's setting but if its system is too complicated I don't think I should run it. I have way less interest in the alternate FATE version too.

Yet another great setting with an overly complex system. Goddamnit.

>>50313033
>>50314844
>>50315041
I'll admit that I literally laughed out loud when he called the SJW Political Correctness commissars "conservatives", though.

>>50336483
Also the Devs are SJW assholes who basically told half of the civilized world to fuck off and have a habit of banning anyone who disagrees with their politics from their official forums.

>>50362049
can i have some examples of complexity in this game?

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>>50363423

This guy >>50356874 covered a lot of it. The biggest complexity for me is trying to get people into the setting but I don't know how or I'm too anxious, since it has barely any touchstones that people can sort of get instinctively. Or maybe that's just my anxiety again.

>>50363455
I don't really get it.
Combat are complicated because of the speed mechanism?

I never had a problem with it.
roll initiative, after everybody has made a turn the ones with speed 2 make another turn, and so on.
I made a sheet where i check who just took a turn and how much speed they have.

camo?

having a camouflage skin or armor is not really a problem, weapons cannot have it, vehicles cannot have it (based on the core book). other than that you can be camouflaged but you still make sounds when you move, someone can shoot you based on the sound you make with some negative bonus, like -30.

Hacking?

in this same 3ad there is a link on an hacking sheet....

>Eclipse Phase hacking cheet sheet
http://eclipsephase.com/downloads/voidstate_eclipse_phase_hacking_cheatsheet_v1-1.pdf

My only problem is to find players (im a GM) in my country cause no one even knows that this game exist and everybody i know want to play D&D and WoD (only because those are the only games they know).

>>50364070
This. Eclipse Phase's core mechanic is no more complex than 40k RPG's. However, it has orders of magnitude more shit to keep track of, which can be quite a headache.

>>50364817
i mean... what game does not have something to keep track on?

A GM should run a game knowing what the npc can and cannot do, the players should know what they can do and remember it.

I've DMed D&D a lot (A LOT) and a lot of times some of my players didn't remember half of what they could do, race/class abilities for example.

I think in EP the most difficult thing to do is remember those modifier that are situational, but hardly you will have more than two modifier in just one action.

And all of this is really easy to go around by writing down all your modifier and when you can use them.

For combat ive made a sheet with:

Name of the weapon
AP
skill modifier with the weapon
damage
type of shooting
bullets in the weapon
range of the weapon

>>50364070

Rigal are u?

30 cm no less

>>50365738
sorry i don't know what you are talking about

>>50366690
soooo it's basically /pol/

>>50365731
I've played in so many games where the GM doesn't even seem to care about keeping track of your sheets, and have no idea what you can or cannot do.

And it's fucking retarded. It's not so much moulding the world around the players or anything, I consider it more about offering, planning for or showcasing situations or routes that players are likely to or capable of exploiting.

>>50366717
>/pol/
>on Titan
Are you high?

>>50366749
/leftypol/

also it's the pirate party. surely they'd go /pol/

>>50364070
>having a camouflage skin or armor is not really a problem, weapons cannot have it, vehicles cannot have it (based on the core book).

RAW is not a very good thing to use with the EP rules. It's not even clear how many limbs most bots and morphs have from the rules.

> other than that you can be camouflaged but you still make sounds when you move, someone can shoot you based on the sound you make with some negative bonus, like -30.

It does get complicated, even under pure RAW reapers with camouflage or invisibility coatings means there's a difficult set of decisions whether or not to use active scanners like LIDAR or RADAR, or if you want to be nearly blind fighting a Reaper as a Reaper. You have a much better chance of spotting them, but you'll also be a really visible bright light for everyone else with enhanced vision or RADAR respectively. On an actual tabletop it can be kind of hard to model those things. Rules-wise this isn't horrible at all, but most people don't have anything like an intuitive understanding of what amounts to stealth helicopter warfare compared to their intuitive understanding of hand to hand combat.

It's beyond the rules, but hits should significantly degrade the effectiveness of stealth coatings for pretty obvious reasons.

>>50365731
Part of the complexity in EP combat is just resolving an attack:
>Roll to hit (opposed)
>Roll damage if successful (+5 for 30+ MoS, +10 for 60+ MoS)
>Subtract effective armor (find actual armor after AP, subtract from damage)
>Apply damage and check for wounds
>Apply wounds and make wound saving throws
>Apply knockdowns/knockouts from wounds.

I'm not trying to make it look super complicated, but there's 3 skill checks and a damage roll involved there, with a fair amount of arithmetic mixed in.

>>50366717
>>50366749
>>50366766
holy shit i'm just scrolling through Bump Order and pol shows up right fucking here casually dropped into conversation

guess everyone was right when they said EP is literally just a meme game built entirely of political strawmen

>>50366996
>oly shit i'm just scrolling through Bump Order and pol shows up right fucking here casually dropped into conversation
what

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>>50366766
>also it's the pirate party. surely they'd go /pol/

Haha, haaa.. no. The Pirate Parties had potential for about a year, after which they instantly started taking ideological stances and started distancing themselves from one thing or another, including their own supporters that joined the movement because of the commonality of the stated goals and politics, regardless of other opinions beyond that.

Both the Swedish and the German Pirate Parties are completely infested by degenerates and identity politics, and the original Swedish one is so marginalized it's ridiculous, since they lost all their popular momentum the second they started being exclusionary and enforced "foundational values" such as "everyone's equal value", "tolerance" and "democracy".

Eclipse Phase just happens to be incredibly contemporary to our time (and around the time when the Pirate Parties formed) and written by political and historical illiterates.

>>50367049
>enforced "foundational values" such as "everyone's equal value", "tolerance" and "democracy".
i don't know why you put those in quotes.
these are literally anchored in the german constitution
if they denounced these they would be banned.
they have also been values represented both in online and real life traditional pirates.

>>50367049
>written by political and historical illiterates.
no.

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Anyone that has good character imagery that would fit a Jovian firewall agent?

I'm looking specifically for a Sniper, a Weapons Expert, or an Orthodox Priest.

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>>50366883

>>It does get complicated [...] hand to hand combat.

Still i don't think it is, a Reaper can be super invisible and immobile, but, as soon as it move or shoot you can hear it, you can see where its shooting form, you can activate all your amplified senses that can be activated.

if you hit something you do damage, blood or oil should spill out of the body/robot making your camo pretty useless.

I think camouflage should be used for infiltration, and surprise attack, not real fights, for all the reason i just wrote.

Other than that you can be camouflaged all you want but if there is a light you still cast a shadow, you are invisible not immaterial.

>> It's not even clear how many limbs most bots and morphs have from the rules

can i have an example of that?

>>50366883
>>Part of the complexity in EP combat is just resolving an attack

Really? after you have done it a few times how much does it takes?

>>50366749

I don't think is the GM role to keep track of your sheet.

The player need to know what his character can do, its HIS character, and, unless it was a premade one (or one made by the GM), he did the character.

How stupid is a person that don't know what the character he made can do?

I want 2 things from my players:

Know what your character can do
Play like a man/woman not like a child

Other than the golden rule:
Don't be a dick.

A GM should know what their players can do in general, meaning not memorize all the stats but know stuff like:
A is good with hacking
B is good with gun
C uses Psi
No one knows how to repair a car
etc...

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>>50367107
>i don't know why you put those in quotes.
Because they're common cop-outs, and because those are the literal words (translated, obviously). You know what quotation marks are used for? Quotes.

They are also ambiguous terms that can be interpreted in everywhich way.

>if they denounced these they would be banned.
Denouncing isn't the same thing as not enforcing it and alienate your supporters and your members. That being said, my perspective is primarily the Swedish one, where parties cannot be banned for questioning laws or political policies (yet).

>they have also been values represented both in online and real life traditional pirates.
All of my keks. Aside from you being wrong, you're missing the point; the fact that they had nothing to do with the original premise, policies and goals of the parties, which were open to all that supported a set of piracy-, copyright-, privacy- and surveillance-related principles, regardless of other considerations relating to morality and ideology.

For a little while there, the pirate parties were genuine people's movements where communists, nationalists (sometimes straight-up fascists) and liberals (many of which today would likely identify as libertarians) congregated and exchanged ideas. Then it started enforcing morality, political correctness and cultural marxism.

Now the parties linger in obscurity.

Anyone with a shred of foresight, historical and political literacy would've been wary of making ridiculous assumptions based on such contemporary issues and events like the Pirate Party or George Bush. It's retarded at best, and self-insert wish-fulfillment circlejerking at worst.

>no
We're talking about the writers that thought it a good idea to name Jovian moons "Bush" and "Pinochet". Someone sat down and thought "Yes, this is good. This isn't cringy nonsense at all", just before they made the freakin' "transnational Pirate Party" a major party in the Titanian Commonwealth.

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>>50367502
>I don't think is the GM role to keep track of your sheet.
Nono, I didn't mean to imply that he had to *keep track of it*. Tracking is absolutely the player's job.

But a GM should take an interest and have an awareness of what the various characters can do, so that he doesn't sit there, suddenly realizing that shit, they can just bypass this, or fucking hell they're stuck because nobody can smash or pick a lock, wth.

But I've been in games where the GM literally never looked at the player's sheets, and I want to stress that I play exclusively online, so it's not like there's any physical papers that need to be copied or memorized, it's just file-sharing.

Fun fact, though, in the Eclipse Phase session before last, I as a character just up and fucking forgot that I can use Psi, and ended up beating a guy over the head with a wrench, only to find out that he was a synthmorph in a skinsuit, hurting my hand. All I would've needed to do was to shake his fucking had to figure out that he was a bot, immune to my powers.

We ended up in a firefight in an apartment complex, followed by trashing a local server and setting fire to the building, and throwing ourselves out the window (it was on Luna), running from the police. The only thing that let me get away was to use my Interest: Conspiracies to find an access tunnel based on my previous experiences in trying to find the entrance to the Hollow Moon.

So I really shouldn't preach. I had to shave my head and start growing a beard.

We have since ended up in Novakrasnodar, a lunar hab representing the last bastion of the Russian Federation, where I'm masquerading as the happiest Russian colonist.

>>50367257
> as soon as it move
Gas Jet systems are not loud, and fights can, and will often happen in vacuum.

>or shoot
This will ideally kill people, making it a pretty safe move in a fight.

Additionally, auditory stealth isn't a concern in a vacuum.

>you can activate all your amplified senses that can be activated.

Thanks to RADAR and LIDAR systems this is a big "shoot me" sign.

>I think camouflage should be used for infiltration, and surprise attack, not real fights, for all the reason i just wrote.

Being able to for the -20 impaired vision of target or -30 invisible target penalties is great.

>if there is a light you still cast a shadow, you are invisible not immaterial.

This actually isn't the case for a metamaterial cloak, light continues unperturbed after going around the cloak.

As for the limbs, there's an Extra Limbs trait which lists the total number of limbs, but the rules never state what the base number of limbs on a shell is. For a splicer this is pretty easy to tell (should be 2), but how many limbs does a doctor bot have? What about a Guardian Angel? Speck? Sentry bot? Gnat bot?

You could assume two, but does a tiny quadcopter have any limbs? It takes some GM interpretation IMO, like much of game rules.

>>50367391
10-60 seconds with fairly experienced people, usually towards upper end. It's not awful, and I'm not saying Eclipse Phase is an extremely complicated system, but I think it is more complicated than say, 5E DND. Fights tend to end pretty quickly anyway thanks to wounds causing KOs.

>>50368073
>Being able to for the -20 impaired vision of target or -30 invisible target penalties is great.
Force, whoops

>>50367742
>just before they made the freakin' "transnational Pirate Party" a major party in the Titanian Commonwealth
I don't see the problem. The universe of Eclipse Phase is very different to the modern day. Who is to say that a Pirate Party focused on anti-copyright wouldn't be popular on Titan?

>>50367742
>questioning laws or political policies (yet).
This isn't about fucking laws or policies.
Fundamental human rights are not a fucking policy.

>which were open to all that supported a set of piracy-, copyright-, privacy- and surveillance-related principles, regardless of other considerations relating to morality and ideology.

Well yes, and then the parties matured, because they wouldn't want to attract fucking cunts?
Because it limited their public appeal?


>ridiculous assumptions based on such contemporary issues and events like the Pirate Party or George Bush. It's retarded at best, and self-insert wish-fulfillment circlejerking at worst.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
>wish-fulfillment circlejerking at worst.
Said the guy posting an anime girl in front of a fascist british flag posting on an imageboard for roleplaying.
My sides have lifted off.

>"Yes, this is good. This isn't cringy nonsense at all"
I bet people opposing Reagan said the same thing if they were told that things would be named after him.

Futurama has Nixons disembodied head as a president and is mainstream.
Stop taking shit so seriously.

>>50366996
>holy shit i'm just scrolling through Bump Order and pol shows up right fucking here casually dropped into conversation

I.. I don't see the relevance of or issue with that.

>guess everyone was right when they said EP is literally just a meme game built entirely of political strawmen

This is actually pretty close to the truth, though. EP is meme like fuck, and the writers based entire factions on political strawmen.

>>50368415
>Fundamental human rights are not a fucking policy.
But they are. What constitutes a human right means different things to different people.

>>50368327
Also the Titanian pirate party is responding to a really different political situation around IP. It hardly matters that this pirate party is different from contemporary parties of similar nomenclature, it's like objecting to modern democrats being wildly divergent from Andrew Jackson.

>>50368570

For instance, saw a headline the other day that the UN has decided that cutting off internet access is a human rights violation.

>>50368415
>This isn't about fucking laws or policies.
Yes it is. It's illegal to question the German constitution. The German constitution is a law, with a range of policies.

>Fundamental human rights are not a fucking policy.
They're not just policy, they're *enforced* policy. But furthermore, what constitutes a "human right" is entirely debatable, in most civilized societies.

>Well yes, and then the parties matured, because they wouldn't want to attract fucking cunts?
Certainly keeping the level high here. It's funny, because the "cunts" weren't the ones acting like cunts. I'm sorry, but you don't get to decide what constitutes acceptable public discourse.

>Because it limited their public appeal?
Yes, you're right, becoming just another leftist feminist party talking about "intersectionality" and "problematization" clearly helped their public appeal, instead of being a party that actually unified people from disparate groups and dealt with a defined set of issues, and debated solutions openly. Good job.

>I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
The writing of Eclipse Phase.

>Said the guy posting an anime girl in front of a fascist british flag posting on an imageboard for roleplaying.
>My sides have lifted off.
Ah, yes, because that's clearly related to wish-fulfillment and circlejerking. By now you're just flailing wildly and grasping at straws.

>I bet people opposing Reagan said the same thing if they were told that things would be named after him.
If you're comparing Reagan to George Bush and Pinochet, I honestly don't know what to say. Reagan makes perfect sense for space-based faux-american republicans. George Bush was ultimately an entirely forgettable president, who's ideological contributions amount to zero and who was (and is) intimately tied to his own contemporary period, and using him as a boogeyman identifier for your "everything wrong with our own society reee" faction a good 150 years into the future was ridiculously retarded.

>>50368073

I mean.... sure... if you want to kill your players ok...

lets say you have a party of four people

put four reaper in camo with four plasma cannons each (or rifles don't remember the name), in a room without cover, with a surprise attack, with no possibilities of them knowing they where going to their own death and yeah, you will kill your party.

good job,
why are you playing again? to have fun? does not feel like it.

Now let's go back to reality.

Fight one reaper with a party.

reaper start kills one guy? maybe? I've seen characters with 15 wounds + medichines, endocrine control and adrenal boost to ignore the first 3 wounds penalities

sure you have a -30 penality because you are invisible...

last game i played my character with all the stuff on the gun and modifier had 90 kinetics, i'll shoot you full auto and get a +30 bonus, or i can use a moxie point to ignore the penality and still going full auto for +3d10 damage, or go full auto and use the moxie to make it critical so no armor apply.

After i shoot and hit you, you'll start spilling oil and your camo its useless because anyone can see where you are.

Never heard about belancing the enemies, or give info to the party, in a way that they, even if ambushed, have a way to succeed?

because if your way to be a GM is: if you choose the wrong door without any int from the GM on what the good door is, and there are 1000 doors and only one is the right one and after the other doors there are 1000 TITANS pointing their weapon at the door... meaning if you GM just to kill your party, you're likely to succeed.


As for the limbs, there are description for most of the one you mentioned
the gnat (or maybe the speck? don't remember) it says it looks like a fly and have the dimension of a fly. educate guess on the limbs? 6.

If you are unsure just ask the GM and he'll decide.

I mean... there really is a necessity to know how many arms can a doctor bot have since you can always add more?

>>50368832
meaning if you GM just to kill your party, you're likely to succeed, but your player will not have fun playing with you.*

>>50368725
>Yes it is. It's illegal to question the German constitution. The German constitution is a law, with a range of policies.
Anyone attempting to dismantle the system that lets people have power over their government should be stopped by that government.

This is self explanatory.

>But furthermore, what constitutes a "human right" is entirely debatable, in most civilized societies.
Absolutely not.
The right to life for example is not debatable.
Only uncivilized societies do not recognize this.
Similarly undebatable is the right to influence the politics of the place you live in.

>>50368725
>I'm sorry, but you don't get to decide what constitutes acceptable public discourse.
The ones disregarding basic rights of others, and thus threatening the very foundations of society, without which we would be in anarchy (pirates were NEVER anarchists) are objectively less acceptable in public discourse than those that respect basic rights of others and rights for self determinations (core tenet of everything the pirates ever stood for)

>intersectional feminism
i had no idea that that's the direction they took.
this was clearly not a good choice, but distancing themselves from people who don't respect the rights of others was a plus.

>Ah, yes, because that's clearly related to wish-fulfillment and circlejerking.
Role playing.
>You're playing a role you enjoy imagining.
Imageboard
>You talk about the same topic with others over and over.
>Anime, fascist britain.
Both things that people wish they were real but aren't.

Yes. Wishfulfillment circlejerking.


>Reagan makes perfect sense
This is the fucking point.
People aren't reasonable.
Bush wasn't forgettable, because war on terror, and he's used as a staple "bad idiot"
all over the fucking world.

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>>50368327
>I don't see the problem. The universe of Eclipse Phase is very different to the modern day. Who is to say that a Pirate Party focused on anti-copyright wouldn't be popular on Titan?

Oh, it might be, but the issue is really that this is lifted straight into the game due to the writer's political and historical illiteracy, and is a carbon copy of existing fringe Pirate Parties, explicitly being "a direct descendant", going as far as using the early “intellectual property is theft” (upphovsrätt är stöld) meme (which in relation to the parties is predictably dead in the real world).

It's as awkward as, say, a Nordic nationalist putting the Nordic Resistance Movement (NMR) into the game as a major political player, or hell, replace all of Jove with it, rune and all. It'd be just as cringy.

And let's not forget the original point here, someone assuming that the pirate party would be totally /pol/, but as has been showcased just fine by the resident triggered edgelord trying to defend his snowflake politics, nothing could be further from the truth.

>>50368962
>>due to the writer's political and historical illiteracy

let's say it is true. who says that After the fall some parts of history was not lost?
with people forgetting what happened?

>>50368919
>but distancing themselves from people who don't respect the rights of others was a plus.
>you don't agree with me, therefore you obviously don't respect the rights of others

>The right to life for example is not debatable.
Hahahahaha.

>Similarly undebatable is the right to influence the politics of the place you live in.
That's not even a right, now you're just making shit up.

>Anyone attempting to dismantle the system that lets people have power over their government should be stopped by that government.
>attempting to have power over your government
>should be stopped by the government
I seriously didn't think that it was possible to be this retarded. You've shown me a new level of stupid.

>pirates were NEVER anarchists
Tons of pirates were anarchists. Fuck, tons of pirates *are* anarchists. Come back to the real world.

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>>50368962
>but as has been showcased just fine by the resident triggered edgelord trying to defend his snowflake politics
He was civilly disagreeing with you, anon, there's no need to act like a cunt.

>>50369022
>you don't agree with me, therefore you obviously don't respect the rights of others
No.
But people who go against basic constitutional things like nazis and the equality of people before the law, are disrespecting the rights of others.

>>The right to life for example is not debatable.
>Hahahahaha.
Okay, if you are unable to see that it is under all circumstances vital and morally correct to guarantee people the right to live, then we cannot continue conversing.
It is objectively bad for any society if lives aren't sacrosanct.
There is no debate to be had here.

>That's not even a right, now you're just making shit up.
It is a right literally everywhere except north korea and china maybe.

>I seriously didn't think that it was possible to be this retarded.
If people have power over a government. Anyone trying to take that power away from them has to be stopped.

>Fuck, tons of pirates *are* anarchists. Come back to the real world.
Not in the madmax way.
More in the anarcho communist way, like a friend of our family, father of three academic, and respected former member of the city council in Paris is.

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>>50369005
>let's say it is true. who says that After the fall some parts of history was not lost?
>with people forgetting what happened?

You have to realize that you're grasping at straws in order to rationalize the presented narrative, no? It doesn't change the origin and underlying causes of that narrative being established, it merely makes excuses for how it can still work in the setting.

But yeah, sure, that's possible.

>>50369022
>The right to life for example is not debatable.
>one of the most debated philosophical issues throughout history
>the necessity of war
>the issues relating to the ethical implications of the death penalty
>abortion and abortion laws and discussions as to what constitutes life
>not debatable
Is this amateur hour?

>>50368962
>as a major political player,
this isn't the case though from what you've told me.

>>50369089
>Anyone trying to take that power away from them has to be stopped.
What if the majority votes away their right to vote?

>>50369022

Hey guys, the circus has come to the solar system!

Look at Hobbes and his biceps, called "liberty" and "true moral values, not the catholic shit", he didn't need reasons! And only tonight we can see he figth with that sissy Pareto, that italian chimp.

Hey guys, hey guys, look at the maw of Hobbes...

>>50369035
>fucking cunts
>civilly disagreeing

>>50369102
>this isn't the case though from what you've told me.
What? The Pirate Party in the Titanian Commonwealth is a major player (although never holding majority).

>>50369154
>What if the majority votes away their right to vote?

What if there's other ways to govern a society than through popular vote? What if there's other ways to exert influence over the government than through parties? Absolutely inconceivable, says the German constitution.

>>50369098
I'm the "let's say it's true" guy, not the other guy you were arguing with.

i was just asking if there was a possibility that what i wrote could be the cause of what happened.

>>It doesn't change the origin and underlying causes of that narrative being established

i very well know that, i don't like too that they are putting an "SJW twist" in this game.

I will say tho that i don't think is a reason to dislike the setting as a whole. You can just ignore those parts and make up something for yourself and the people you play with.

If anyone goes SJW just because they read some SJW bullshit in a game, they are just idiots.

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>>50369089
>Not in the madmax way.
>More in the anarcho communist way, like a friend of our family, father of three academic, and respected former member of the city council in Paris is.

Why would you be allowed to reinterpret the concept of anarchism as you see fit? If you say anarchism, it's assumed you mean anarchism.

Whether that's some high-society hipster academics version or mad max free-for-all isn't relevant - don't use terms you don't understand, or cannot grasp, and then reinterpret them when your stated stance gets refuted.

>>50369248
>a major player
in the titanian commonwealth
which is overall just one of the jovian moons
which is overall just one of the regions of the solarsystem
which is overall just one of the systems transhumanity has settled in.

>>50369299
What i meant is that disregard of some social foundations would lead to utter anarchy with everything going to shit immediately.
Not the kind of anarchy most anarchists want.

>>50297192
I'm up for a game, what are the other characters?

>>50369277
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the setting as a whole. I didn't mean to get bogged down in the Pirate Party discussion. Again, this just started with me clarifying that the Pirate Party would likely be a tremendously poor Eclipse Phase /pol/ak.

/leftypol/ maybe.

>>50369346
>>/pol/ak.
>>/leftypol/

yeah... i don't know what that means.

>>50369328
>Titan
>a Jovian moon

no

>>50369370
the other thing then
saturn
...
would you believe me if i told you i'm an astrophysics student?

>>50369384
with a mistake like that?
No

>>50369328
>in the titanian commonwealth
>which is overall just one of the jovian moons
eh?

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>>50369396
BELIEVE!
>>50369407
i fucked up

>>50369449
am i supposed to know what the fuck is that language?
is that swedish or something?

if you really are a student in astrophysics that does not know that fucking Titan is the biggest moon of Saturn, bigger even than the planet Mercury, i think its time for you to think about it and after that change path of career

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>>50369328
>What i meant is that disregard of some social foundations would lead to utter anarchy with everything going to shit immediately.

Yes, clearly there were no society whatsoever before the formulation of the non-binding UN Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. We were operating on Mad Max principles, subsisted on cannibalism, and had an infant-based society. A loaf of bread could cost as much as three wombs.

Thank god that anthropocentric humanism and globalization saved us from that dark stone age and gave us civilization and the start of history.

>>50369501
>fucking Titan is the biggest moon of Saturn, bigger even than the planet Mercury,
I'm not good with names.
Nor am i particularly good with the solar system.
I have absolutely no idea about the moons of the biggest gas giants.
I know some names and that's all.

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>>50369501
>is that swedish or something?
As a Swede, I'm insulted. Positively triggered.

>>50369503
I'd say that's fairly accurate.
Wild West.
Holocaust.
Soviets.
Mistreatment of prisoners.
Capital punishment in lots of countries.

Also, the question is not whether something is codified, the question is whether someone adheres to the principle.

And being fucking nazis questioning the equality before the law principle had always lead to uncivilized barbarism.

>>50369449
Fuckups happen.

>>50369564
>Wild West
Are you high?

>Holocaust.
Didn't happen.

>Soviets.
Yes, obviously we don't have horrible power-structures in our current world.

>Mistreatment of prisoners.
>Capital punishment in lots of countries.

Both still true today.

>Also, the question is not whether something is codified, the question is whether someone adheres to the principle.
If it is not codified, it is not a principle. Adhering to the fact merely means not acting against it, as practiced at will throughout the entirety of history.

>And being fucking nazis questioning the equality before the law principle had always lead to uncivilized barbarism.
>accusing "nazis" of questioning the equality before the law
>refusing to treat nazis equally before the law
inb4 "they are treated equally, it is just that they break the law"

Germans only have two states; redpilled or completely fucking brainwashed hypocrites that leech onto existing power structures like parasitical sycophants.

>>50369691
>>Holocaust.
>Didn't happen.
oh you're that kind of person.
well if you like ignoring facts, you're welcome to continue your wish fulfillment circlejerk on /pol/

>horrible powerstructures
no i meant the genocides

>Both still true today.
well some are still not respecting human rights.

>If it is not codified, it is not a principle.
>If it's not written law it cannot apply

>"they are treated equally, it is just that they break the law"
this

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Titan is not an SJW shitheap, that'll be the province of Morningstar and some anarchist habs.

Titan is the closest major power to fascist utopia in the system, with the society being heavily militarized, virtue stratified, and anti-capitalistic. Maybe you have a few otherkin roaches mooching as lumpenprole deviants in Titan, but the citizenry has collective will to power. Titan is, as one person put it already, /leftypol/ incarnate, not tumblr.

>>50369449
>science in a language that's not English
What kind of 3rd-rate Uni do you go to?

>>50370042
No. You have Janteloven on Titan. It's SJW as fuck, just the European take on SJWs, not the American version.

Morningstar is Champagne Liberalism.

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>>50370042

Pls, leave your urfascism kantai shit out of this board. Every one with two or more neurons can read the appendix of the books and crossline the fucking inspirations.


I can't leave the fucking sage, it's not because there was people illetrated it's simple the fucking misrepresentationonly to form straw mans in this land of no one.

>>50370135
>Morningstar is Champagne Liberalism.

You're the only one saying that.

>>50370392
I'm really not.

Hey, any advice on playing lost?

>>50371201
don't

>>50367257

Oh hey, I've been looking forever for a good picture of a 4-armed humanoid.

Need it for my heavily augmented Remade morph.

>>50371201
>>50371222

Do.

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>>50367257

It just occurred to me, that a high definition holographic displayer and 3d sound system can with great skill create super realistic, moving 3d images with sound.

But if you're a chameleon camo'd target moving and gunning, it'd be MUCH easier to create a vaguely humanoid/reaper shaped object that's merely distorted light, and with lasers exciting the space where the faked images are, they can even give off thermal readings, while the chameleon cloaking even allows you to modulate, or lower your own thermal readings. Match it with the holographic images and...

Fuck yeah! Mirror Image in Eclipse Phase.

>>50371201

Get real comfortable playing mental disorders.

>>50371201
Have nymphomania as a disorder.

>>50369384
There is a big difference between having 1 moon in a space otherwise controlled by another faction and basically controlling one of the 2 gas giants in the Solar system.

Titan is a major player on the level of Jovians and Consortium.

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>>50322385

>>50370088
>>not English
>>3rd rate uni
>>Ignoring that American education system is like in 32nd place in the world

>>50371447
sure... but if the image moves with you is more likely that the displayer is on you, so you just have to hit the core of the holo-target to hit the real one.
Unless you program the hologram to follow a pattern and you follow the pattern yourself going after it, but again we are going in the realm of: "Yes, i do want to kill my group for no reason"

>>50373419
>Ignoring that American education system is like in 32nd place in the world
If you remove niggers, it is actually 1st in the world.

>>50373515
not when your vice president want to introduce creatonism and intelligent design in school as science

>>50373534
'Electric Fence' Pence can have his daycare, we won't need fags where we're going.

>>50322385
>>50373232
FUCK OFF REEEEEE
EMDRIVE IS REAL!!!!!!

....
seriously though have they accounted for possible electromagnetic excitation of the electrons thanks to some resonance, and subsequent circular currents in the copper acting like electro-magnets and pushing the machinery?

>>50373556
Yes.

>>50373563
How.
Have they modeled the microwaves inside the chamber to know precisely how they affect all parts of the resonator wall material?

>>50373590
Yes.

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>>50373546
I'm a fag and i support this message.
I'd love a gay adult-daycare where people get electro shocks.
That's totally hot.

Also, what happens with consent shouldn't be the matter of the state to rule over so, if someone wants gay conversion therapy let them get it.

>>50373419
The uni was actually pretty damn good, but the humanities and lack of funding pull it back down.
>pic related was from my previous uni
No, not the yukawa institute for theoretical physics that's just where i got the notebook from.

>>50373614
[doubting intensifies]

>>50373419

I'm a player, regardless only an unimaginative amateur puts them in the center of a mass of projections. The projections needn't even mirror the user's actions.

But a holographic projection of a person using optic camouflage is trivial, and very convincing, in comparison to making a projection of them normally without optic camo.

>>50373948
i disagree, if the projection does not move with you and the bullets/plasma/laser does not come out of the projection guns, but from the inside of the morph of the projection, than is fairly easy to find out that what you are seeing is not real.

>>50374012

>if the projection does not move with you

No where stated in my posts do I suggest the projections are static, and if all images including the real person is moving differently does a person miraculously know who the real one is.

>and the bullets/plasma/laser does not come out of the projection guns

You need to exercise your imagination more, as holographic projections can also emit the appearance of weapons fire.

As for the sound, reread my original post, I already mentioned holographic projection combined with a 3d sound system.

>>50374164

Programming:

if they are not static you have to program them, thats a task action at worst, or a full action at best.
that means loosing turns in combact.

Movement:

if they are preprogrammed they will have to follow a pattern that can or cannot work with the surrounding environment.
Of course they can be programmed to move all differently so you wont need to move in pattern with them, but still the environment is still a problem, unless you set a trap and you know where and against how many you will fight.

Aiming:

how do you know where your enemies will be so your holograms will shoot at them?

Bullets:
>>You need to exercise your imagination more, as holographic projections can also emit the appearance of weapons fire.

Sure, the holograms can shoot holobullets with noise and stuff, but that will not hurt you.

I meant that if a reaper (that was the original example) is an hologram and you are shooting from the inside of it the real bullets will come out from its body instead of its weapons and thats uncanny...

Just track down the bullets that actually hit you to find where the real shooter is.

Bullets 2, the return:

When you shoot someone and the bullets hit the wall behind him, and he does not seem to care or to recoil a bit from being hit, thats probably an hologram.

>>50374321
i mean... its easier to go around with more morph with beta forks of you inside them than all of this holo-shit.

>>50371201
Get your GM to use the Psi Revamped rules.

>>50373419
Good European unis teach sciences in English, and I'm not talking about the UK.

>>50374951
is this bait?

>>50374979
The vast majority of scientific papers are written in English. It's the de facto language of science and education reflects this.

>>50375007

that does not mean that people in countries where english is not the native language teach science in english.

If a paper is written in english does not mean that the one who wrote it learned science in english.

People learns english in elementary school in my country and science in our language and then scientist just translate in english their paper so all the world (that learned english) can read them.

And my country just crashed a probe on Mars because another country screw up the landing operation.

>>50375111
your country?
your country crashed a probe?
i thought that was ESA.

>>50377496
the project originated from my country

>>50377496
Yuropoor has national pride in international achievement but none left over to stop mudslime invasion from destroying its country.

>>50377515
it did?
>>50377624
what country are we even talking about

>>50377624
Please continue to get brainwashed by fox news.

>>50377855
>ow the edge

>>50373419
>"Yes, i do want to kill my group for no reason"

Remember, death is temporary, lulz and fame on the Mesh is slightly less temporary!

>>50378100
Sure, in this game death is a curable disease.
The point was, if you kill the party for no reason (unless is story related, something like "you are dead but not really", etc...), the group of people you play with are likely to stop playing.

>>50371201
Don't. It's not a very good option, just pick a different background and buy the Psi trait if you want it. This is triply true if you have one of those jackass GMs who charges 25 CP if you want Lost Psi 2.

>>50374979
This is /epg/ everything is bait.

>>50368832
But say you are playing a very stealth focused campaign and the players know this is the goal, so to ensure their characters also see stealth as the primary means of operation there are heavily cloaked up Reapers ready to act as response units to any unauthorized trespassers in whatever place the players are.

They trigger this response and thus the party tries to have some set of them hold off the incoming invisible death machines while the others go to finish the objective (since everyone getting their morphs and even stacks destroyed is not game over in EP, this is totally a thing characters can accept doing).

Now you need to run a combat scenario with the player characters fighting some of the toughest automated defenses in the game with them using every bit of kit they could as well.

This is not anti-fun, this is a tense moment where the heist plot hits the "going loud" trope and everyone has the excitement of making a last stand.

Hell, maybe the players use the fact the robots have stupidly powerful guns to trick one into destroying something they wanted gone but did not have a bomb or plasma gun for themselves.