The Horus Heresy General /HHG/

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First for Dorn.

>>50206289
>can I too have a bike, father?
>no. you are too fat.
>you hurt me, father
>good
I wish they'd drop all the stupid sideplots and just stick with emps giving the bantz.

>>50206356
>I too wish to go fast
I cri errytiem.

So continuing from last thread Ultras or IW?

>>50206390
Hows your painting skills? IW are easymode

>>50206390
We can tell (You) many things, anon. Why don't you tell us what do you like in each of them?

>>50206390
Going to vote for IW just to annoy the anons who claim we have too many IW players in this thread, even though the only IW models you ever see posted are Dantioch's.

What? Who did you think I was going to say?

>>50206404
Not bad but not great either I can paint good Tabletop standard but thats about it
>>50206411
I like the determination and the win at all costs mentality of the IW (as well as the artillery) but the UM have a really cool Roman aesthetic and they seem like they can use just about any unit

>>50206425
B-but anon, there are too many IWs. I don't like that, (You) gotta make me feel comfortable!

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>>50206289
no, NOT AGAIN

>>50206390
White Scars.

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>>50206467

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>>50206438
Why don't (You) make some test models? I mean their LA aren't thaaaat different. UMs test Fear and Regroup on Ld10, IWs don't test for ranged morale. UMs sort of need multiple small units, depend a bit more on their HQs and use combined arms but not mechanized armies and their RoW isn't that good, but their legion specifics are, while IWs can do blobs, mechanized and spam artillery, good RoWs, good specifics...
Ok, maybe they aren't that alike, but the thing is Rome was second to none on the siege thing as well, and if you want glorious aesthetics beyond fearless pioneers, deviously efficient artillerists and ruthless infantry then the UMs are a good choice to consider.
I mean, armoured combat engineers became Arditi, which could be represented by despoiler IWs, but then they're also italian, who are descendants of Rome. Sort of. So they're kinda UM too.
So they're...Silver skulls? Dammit I'm confused too.

what is more important to you guys when picking a new addition to your force?

a) How fluffy it is
b) How good it is on the table
c) How much you like the model

>>50206718
Bit of all 3.

I choose mostly for fluff, but I don't want to dump shit tonnes of money into something I can't really use

>>50206718
The model is the most important bit, followed equally by fluff and crunch. I have a Leviathan painted in edgelord colours and a Malcador is planned for christmas if i can afford it. The Leviathan was something i knew i had to have as soon as it was being showcased, and a cranky dread ripping and tearing through an enemies exposed flanks is properly murderously NL. The Malcador's a lot less fluffy, not outright fluff rape like mkVII but not favoured amongst my legion, however ww2 french tanks are also sex. Maybe i'll buy a second and do a mechanised Pride list at a weekender just to fuck with people building towards my usual cookiecutter Terror Assault

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It's that time again.
What would you put in a stormlord.

Did Alpharius pull astrings to get Drumpf elected?

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>>50206860
But...victory

>>50206718
Model probably tops it, given that this isn't exactly a cheap hobby. Then fluff, then tabletop quality, although stuff that's too rubbish won't get picked just for fluff.

>>50206826
Thirty Velatarii, all with medics, and a single unit of Charonites with a Lord Marshal. Everything else in my army is Leman Russes and Malcadors.

Damnit now i have to go actually write that list i've been thinking of all week

>>50206979
>>50206826
145-Marshal, Displacer, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Lasers
55-Tank Commander (Stormlord, PE:Infantry)
55-Tank Commander (Valdor, Tank Hunters)

60-3xMedics
165-Household regiment, Power Axes

115-Velatarii
115-Velatarii

200-Thunderbolt

320-Malcador-Demolisher Cannon, Siege Armour, Flare Shield, Armoured Ceramite
320-Malcador-Demolisher Cannon, Siege Armour, Flare Shield, Armoured Ceramite
320-Valdor, Armoured Ceramite

615-Stormlord-quad sponsons, AC

2485

The Ogryn are shit, as ogryn always are, so its just firemen instead

>>50207100
This must be one of those Superheavy companies said to operate in the Great Crusade

Legio cybernetica

Hq:
Magos, machinator, abeyant, Melta bombs 130pts
Magos, machinator, abeyant 125pts

Troops:
5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts
5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts
9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts
9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts

Fast:
3 vorax with rad rounds 225pts
1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts
1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts

3000pts

Never played 30k, how do people think this would go?

>>50207161
A) Magos must buy a space PHD
B) Why are you playing Cybernetica without cyperthurgy?

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>>50206390
The ones that are more fun to paint.

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>>50207190
I think he's using Magos Dominus?
>>50207191
There's presumtious, then obnoxius, then him

Dorn and Perturabo worst Primarchs

Dorn
>constant look of chronic constipation
>weird homosexual attachment to daddy
>weird homosexual masochism
>Legionaries have weird homosexual fixation on him

Perturabo
>fat
>like seriously, a real fucking chubster
>like, look at his face
>legion idolized by /tg/ through stale, unfunny memes and /tg/'s gay love of all things industrial because FUCK NATURE FUCK ELVES HFY MIRITE
>no I mean seriously look at those fat fucking cheeks
>beep boop was never funny, IW memes make me cringe

>>50207146
Thats what i was intending, its a pity theres not a special force org that can be used to bring multiple baneblades, what with their fluff showing they were usually fielded in companies. You can do Leviathan, but i'd rather have some method outside of Leviathan and its restrictions, which is obviously based around reaver/warlord Titans or Ordinators rather than tanks.

>>50207221
Anon, be an adult, stop trying to shitpost. Let people enjoy whatever the fuck they want. You're part of the reason why stale memes exist in the first place.
Live and let live, it's not complicated.

>>50207221
You fool! Do you have any idea what you did?! Forget the Ironfire Riders' feelings, you really had to start X Primarch is X debacle?

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>>50207221
>I don't like IW memes but I can't generate my own, plus I suck elf dick and I don't understand either trenches or Dorn's zeal: The Post
This is me, falling for your obvious bait as if it was the Iron Cage. Also, fuck elves.

>>50207285
>generating memes is a good thing
>h-he didn't like beep boop...
>look at those pussies hiking, what crunchy granola fags, DAE STEM PROGRAMS? XD
>iunno man, whenever Dorn gets all sweaty wearing the pain glove it's kind of hot...

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>>50207271
It's like you don't even Onslaught or War Machine detachment, from the Age of Darkness book available to any 30k army.

>>50206826
muh dick

>>50207322
>war machine
You mean Leviathan
>Onslaught
Two Baneblades is not a company, and only two HQ slots mean i can't even give them commanders

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>>50207304
Seldom do I see IF stuff other than what Unification and I post.

>>50207322
Oh man, I totally want to run Salamanders using this Force org, try to represent a Salamanders "totally not Destroyers you guys" Pyroclast Contingent.

>>50207347
And what do you know, the Dorn reaction faces shopped into the screenshot show expressions of EXTREME FUCKING CONSTIPATION

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>>50207346
>You mean Leviathan
No, I didn't, but I'm not sure about FOCs that have extra LoW slots. As in, does the 25%pts restriction still apply? I think not.
And a War Machine Detachment allows you to bring 2 Superheavies as a single choice. That's 100% more LoW per LoW.
But without using anythiing heavier than a Typhon, I'm afraid.

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>>50207356
What about teh Covenant of Fire? Troop Pyroclasts ;^)
>>50207363
Don't berate Dorn because of his face, anon, he was born with that thing! He has five settings only: Regular, Turbo, Constipatus, Pain gLoving and Smuggu. More than what (You) need for Imperial life.

1 Scorpius or 2 Whirlwinds?

>>50207395
Leviathan allows you to take extra LOW but you'll be lacking in everything else. Thats not a problem when you've got a fucking Warlord or Reaver thats covered in ten million guns and carries the power of an entire army already, but its a bit difficult when you're a Baneblade. Leviathan does lack the 25% rule, however. Baneblades are all 9HP+, so Engines of Destruction, so War Machine has nothing to do with fielding multiple baneblades, hence my confusion. Honestly i think Titans need a price bump, or at least Warhounds, since for less than a hundred points more than a kitted baneblade you can take four turbo-lasers/plasma destroyers which is obscenely better. There needs to be some form of mid-point between lighter superheavies like Knights and Malcadors and the genuine titans like the Ordinators and Battle titans.

The Macrocarid Explorator is out now.

>>50207487
Whirlwhinds are mediocre in 3+ heresyland, Scorpius are only really good if you lack anti-blob, and theres many better (for points) ways to clear blobs.

>>50207577
Is it good?

crossposting for Horus Heresy Chapter Master
>>50205175

>>50207603
It's a build your own Land Raider kit, it's great.

>>50207603
It's a Build-your-own-Landraider kit with more exotic weapon options.
I really like that the kit includes several of the weapon options.

>>50207513
Heh, you're right
>650pts for 12HP AC Glaive with 48" S8 AP2 Haywire Beam that hits superheavies 1+D3 times
>Add 50pts to that
>Ordinatus Sagittar with 14HP, AC, starts the game at AV 17/16/13 until it becomes 15/14/13 (does affect incoming D hits), has a 10" D-blast gun
>Add 50pts to that
>4-D Large blasts on a Warhound, immune to Haywire, 9HP + 2 Voidshields

>>50207622
But where do you download the Heresy mod? Or is it included in the 40k one?

>>50207643
>660 points for a BS3 baneblade with woo, four non-twin-linked lascannons, a few heavy bolters, a demolisher and a s9 baneblade cannon

To keep with the wargear and Rite theme the DAngels have going for them, i present a Firewing focused on flames and choom that i'm drunkenly writing for kicks

Flush them Out-All tree and vegetation-based cover has -2 to their Cover Save. This can remove any cover save offered by the vegetation despite being models being obscured. If a unit lacks Move through Cover and moves through cover affected by this rule, it takes one s3 ap5 hit per model in contact with the trees.
Terran Arsenal-All infantry squads can replace their bolters with Volkite Chargers at +5 PPM and Veterans, Destroyers and Assault Marines can replace bolt pistols with Hand Flamers at +5 PPM. Characters can replace bolt pistols with Inferno Pistols for 10 PPM
Wrathful Descent-All Veterans and any support squads wielding Meltaguns, Volkite Chargers and Calivers or Flamers can take a Dreadclaw dedicated transport
Cowards Burn-Rather than sweeping advance, any fleeing enemy is instead overwatched at BS2, and Wall of Death is in effect.

Restrictions
Scorch the Ground-At least two Tactical or Heavy Support squads wielding Volkite, Meltas or Flamers of any description must be taken as an additional compulsory troop, and can be taken as additional troops
Receding Firestorm-All infantry must be embarked in a transport at the start of the game
Flaming Pride-Challenges must be made or accepted. If an independent character is present in a unit, they must issue or accept the challenge before any other Character.
Purging Wave-This rite cannot be taken missions where this side is the defender

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Here's my first attempt at a Raven Guard list: feedback would be great
--- Raven Guard - 2500pts ---
- Decapitation Strike -
>HQ
Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack, Melta Bombs - 120

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135

>Elites
5x Mor Deythan: 5x Snipers, Artificer - 170
10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 180
10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 180

>Fast Attack
9x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 300
8x Seekers: 8x Combi-Plas, Artificer, Melta Bombs - 300

>Heavy Support
Deredeo: Aiolos ML - 220

>Dedicated Transports
Rhino: MM - 50
Rhino: MM - 50
Proteus: TL Las - 210

>Lord of War
Corax - 450
2500/2500pts

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Which Primarchs do you think actually had sex?

>>50208131
Your prices for Vets are all fucked up, you need to buy missile launchers then upgrade them to take flakk, so they'd be 230 each

Its generally easiest to put the dedicated transports with the unit they're transporting, so we can get that figured.

I would suggest increasing the Mor Deythan, as they're a unit tat gets deadlier the more points you sink into it. 30k in general is very much a boys before toys environment when dealing with infantry.

Overall, not a bad start. Corax is good since with his invisible thing he doesnt need an entourage, soyou've managed to avoid the common noob trap of the 1100+ point spartan deathstar

>>50208125
>death guard special rite of war reduces forests' cover by -1, 50% of the time
>suggestion: every forest on the table gets -2 cover, 100% of the time
Will you stupid faggots please read other legion's rules to get an idea of the typical powerlevel before making your idiotic suggestions?

>>50208205
>Different Rites of War aren't allowed to have different perks
Plus DA rites are stronger by necessity to compensate for having the worst LA rule hands down.

>>50208131
>10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 180
that's 230 in my book

>>50208205
>death guard get shrouded all the time in that one
>death guard get buffed frag
>death guard get decent LA
>death guard get characters and special units

>must take four troops
>must be in a vehicle
>must accept challenges with your shitty generic characters

The whole point of the DA Hexagrammaton is good Rites and nothing much else, all this gives is new wargear and burns away forest-based cover, while giving a pile more restrictions, as well as a variant of the mediocre stand and shoot thing the Immortals can do.

>>50208182
>>50208244
Sorry about that. Here's a "fixed" list
--- Raven Guard - 2500pts ---
- Decapitation Strike -
>HQ
Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack, Melta Bombs - 120

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135
[Rhino: MM - 50]
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135
[Rhino: MM - 50]

>Elites
8x Mor Deythan: 8x Snipers, Artificer - 245
5x Vet Tactical Squad: ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 145
5x Vet Tactical Squad: ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 145

>Fast Attack
9x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 300
8x Seekers: 8x Combi-Plas, Artificer - 295
[Proteus: TL Las - 210]

>Heavy Support
Deredeo: Aiolos ML - 220

>Lord of War
Corax - 450
2500/2500pts

>>50208174
Fulgrim did. I know this for a fact.

>>50208205
Thank you
>>50208231
>>50208266
Forest burning is taken. Even though that's what the Lion does in that novel. And it counters NL shenanigans...
Dammit you're totally going to get the forest burning rite along with the Destroyer rite, aren't you. Fucking Illuminati.

>>50208297
Flakk missiles are pretty terrible anyway, bring a plane of your own, fluffy, cooler looking and better.

>>50208312
He's one sexy bastard. So perfect. No wonder he get laid.

Uploaded Mechanicum Taghmata Army List in epub.
Can someone convert it to pdf and post link here?
http://www20.zippyshare.com/v/37UoG4KF/file.html

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>>50208336
For Fulgrim it isn't sex if you don't rend your partner and snort its remains mixed with crak-o-dril at the end.

>>50208354
Srry anon, but I can't delay breakfast any more. I've been memeing since 5 am :)

>>50208326
preferred enemy:trees is about as Dark Angel as you can get
I figured it was a pretty good representation of what happens when a bunch of pyros burn down your trees, rather than the whole bombardment and mists thing the Death Guard do. Its also a tactic they did use

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>>50208384
I'm going to Move Through Cover and phosphex your face off.

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>>50208415
And in return, the First is gonna CHOOM you and flame you when you break, because back in my day, we didnt have fancy bolters or AP2 weaponry or legion buffs

>>50208446
Actually, the 1st legion likely had the least amount of Volkite out of all the legions, due to Mars' distrust of them, meaning they had the smallest Mechanicum fleet out of all the legions, as well as having been outfitted with Terran bolters from the Terawatt clans prior.

If anything, the IVth had the greatest amount due to them stockpiling on literally everything.

>>50208326
>Forest burning is taken.
Because that's a totally unique concept.

If there where solid HH rules for Battle fleet Gothic, would you play it?

I'm talking about both sides having access to the same kit, customized battle barges, no filthy xenos, and correct-for-the-period ships and weaponry.

>>50208484
Good. I doubt the UMs burn forests, no matter how Roman they are. Only DA and DG did that.
Or hand out the deforestation RoW to all legions.

>>50208512
I'd be interested but even though I'm far from skint, there's only so much money I'm willing to spend on this shit.

>>50208512
>If there where solid HH rules for Battle fleet Gothic, would you play it?
No, but I would still shitpos about it in the general :^)

>>50208543
You're a shit post.

>>50208231
>Plus DA rites are stronger by necessity to compensate for having the worst LA rule hands down.
that is not true
their LA is strictly better than say death guard or word bearers' one just because it has literally no downsides
i personally think that DA is one of the top tier legions in terms of competitive play along with AL and IH

>>50208297
don't take flakks for the veterans
it's overcosted and inefficient as fuck
if you need AA take it from elsewhere
like mortis boxnaught with AC + HKM

>>50208575
As water is wet, although >>50208580 here has out-shitposted me. I least I read the HH books.

>>50208354
Can someone convert it, when I try it stuck.
Or someone can tell me how to convert files like this to pdf?

>>50208297
This is a much more optimized version of your list, while not being minmaxed WAACfaggotry it avoids the most common pitfalls (small units, flakk missiles, etc). This is not gospel truth, and the list overall lacks a lot of antitank power. You could replace the second dark fury/chaplain with anything else, i just added it to make up points.

>HQ
Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack - 115
Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack - 115

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135
[Rhino: MM - 50]
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer - 135
[Rhino: MM - 50]

>Elites
10x Mor Deythan: 10x combiweapons, Artificer - 315
[Pod: 35]
10x Vet Tactical Squad: Artificer - 170 (Marksman tactic)
[Rhino: MM - 50]

>Fast Attack
10x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 330
10x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 330

>Heavy Support
Deredeo: Aiolos ML - 220

>Lord of War
Corax - 450

>>50208415
The Ordo Reductor will do it better with an entire map treated as open ground, the most modular artillery ever made and with Power of the Machine Spirit, tough jetpack troops with powerful guns, cheap as hell fearless infantry and scoring assault vindicators.

Power Creep, ladies and elegan/tg/entlemen.
(You get cheap plastic box sets, I'm not sorry)

>>50208174
>>50208336
Who had sex:

Fulgrim (obvious)
Sanguinius (had a waifu)
Russ (can't imagine otherwise)
Guilliman (the normallest primarch, probably did it just to have the experience)
The Khan (same reason as girlyman)

Almost certainly hadn't:
Magnus
Lorgar
Perturabo
Curze
Ferrus
Lion (at least when it comes to hetero)
Dorn

>>50208580
wat
>Covenant of Death: If your opponent finishes the game with more units than you they get D3 victory points
am i being baited

>>50208655
that is hardly a downside
if your roster and tactics are good you never let that happen
and even if that happens that means that you would have lost anyway because of an opponent's overwhelming advantage

>>50208655
Most certainly you are, anon.

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>>50208645
Let's creep together, Reductor-kun! Morturg-Decima style, Bad Cop & Even Worse Cop! Here's hoping the Reductor Magos gets a Power Metal miniature some day.

>>50208580
>get +0.5 WS if using a sword
>top tier

Explain yourself to someone who wants to believe

>>50208777
>tfw want to start up an Ordo Reductor force
>also want to get Blood Bowl
I'm very indecisive today.

>>50208726
>its not a downside
>just build your list around it
>and dont be shit and lose
Its something that can turn a close match into a loss, because your opponent happens to have more units than you at deployment. What happens if you're facing World Eaters/Death Guard/Solar Auxilia/Militia/Daemons? Thats not something that can be dealt with by rostering, especially since both of the Rites you gain most of your advantages from push you to small, elite armies unless you rhinorush Ironwing and avoid the BS5 upgrades for actual tanks, which is the biggest draw for using Ironwing along with Tank Hunter dreads

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>>50208813
>tfw you gain 3VP as SA simply because you can outnumber everyone in the game with 360 Troops.

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>>50208803
The Church of the Crater calls to (You), Reductor-kun, to uncover the mysteries of shot and shell, to thread the Loop of Erradication.
Also, what is blood bowl?

The trips. The double dubs. It is a sign, man!

>>50207670
I found it in the Chapter Master thread on bay12

>>50208803
Destroy the enemies of the Quest for Knowledge, then use your minis to play Counts As Blood Bowl. Easy.

>>50208777
Aye, I wish they'd added a thing in the Taghmata list that makes DG and OR Sworn Brothers. Failing that, let us take Morturg in the Istvaan Survivors FoC with Decima.
So far when I play with DG friend he brings termies and Morty, I bring Thralls, Thallax and Scoria, and we both bring far too much phospex. It's a bonding/burning experience :)

>>50208795
it is 1 ws and yes that's a good bonus
worse that BA's one but very good
also LA is not what makes DA top tier
it is the combination of LA + ironwing protocol + unique wargear that does

it's the roster to beat in my local club:
praetor jetbike/acid rounds/terranic greatsword/iron halo/digital lasers 205

tactical squad rhino/additional ccw/calibanite warblade/melta bombs 195
tactical squad rhino/additional ccw/calibanite warblade/melta bombs 195
tactical squad rhino/additional ccw/calibanite warblade/melta bombs 195

cortus dread 2x gravitons guns/havoc launcher 180
contemptor mortis 2x kheres autocannons 180

predator squadron 3x predators/sponson lascannons/squadron command tank 380
sicaran lascannons/dozer blade 210
vindicator squadron 2x vindicators/dozer blades/combi bolters

right now it manages to keep 22/3 win rate during the current campaign
two of it's three losses are mine to brag about
my traitor allies just can't beat it
it's not OP by any means but it's very strong

>>50208841
>360 Troops
that is merely a shitty meme
i haven't seen anyone with at least 120 auxilaries and i'm playing this shit for almost three years

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>>50208855
Blood Bowl is literal fantasy football.

My problem is that it looks great and a whole lot of fun, to the point where I could invite my more normie friends over because the box comes with two teams, but I also want to do Ordo reductor because I have a love for Mechanicum stuff.

>>50208919
>terranic greatsword praetor
>chilling by himself
What, does he lurk offboard all game? Any CC unit or moderately shooty unit ought to be able to get warlord kill on a single model.

Other than that, it doesnt look all that scary. He knows how to use his RoW, which is what ive been saying the whole time is what makes DAngels not-shit. That list doesnt even use the Sword thing, unless he's charging with his tacticals or his praetor. It seems more like a skilled player using a decent army than DAngels being OP. Compare their LA to NL, what with +1 to wound and +1 Initiative, or WS with their rerolls to wound in shooting and assault, or IH and their flat -1 to incoming shooting.

>>50208879
Thanks anon
>>50208904
Morturg's Blackshield rules wheeeeeeeeen?

>>50208919
>right now it manages to keep 22/3 win rate during the current campaign
>two of it's three losses are mine to brag about
I want to hear more of this, anon. Do tell.

>>50208641
Thanks anon

>>50209054
>That list doesnt even use the Sword thing, unless he's charging with his tacticals or his praetor
isn't that enough? it turns useless taxing troops into decent CC unit

>Compare their LA to NL, what with +1 to wound and +1 Initiative
irc it's +1 to wound and +1 to hit if enemy unit is outnumbered
a decent bonus but you need to build your army around that to put it to good use

>or IH and their flat -1 to incoming shooting
yeah that's a good bonus too but again you need to build your list around that

DA LA is more like insurance than a direct bonus
it makes your unit less attractive targets for assault especially if you take add. ccw

sorry i can't express my thougths more clear because english is not my native

>>50209097
>I want to hear more of this, anon. Do tell.
there's nothing fancy to tell about it really
i just infiltrated my antitank units to his squadrons, wiped them out and let my troops finish the job
twice

>>50208647
I like how Angron isn't in your second list. Can you imagine Angron having nailed-up hatesex with another one of his nailed-up slave-allies?

>>50209153
>taxing troops into decent CC unit
How? You need them to score, and you cant charge them out of a Rhino. Any melee legion trying to charge them off an objective will murder them in CC, 3+ to hit or not.
>NL
Its +1 to hit and wound when outnumbering, and +1 initiative, run and charge during night fighting, i think. You do have to listbuild around it, but thats not super hard or complex, just take blobs wherever possible
>IH
Its just a flat bonus, your dudes treat heavy bolters like regular ones. IH are my current project and they're the simplest legion i've played, your basic dudes are tough as hell, and your terminators get free FNP and a hammer in the bargain. Way stronger than hitting non-melee troops on 3s.

Compared to melee legions the DA LA is far and away the weakest bonus. They get no morale boosts like the non-melee legions. They have no special units to abuse. Against your friends list, its a strong mechanised list, but its very static, since the predators cant use their BS5 lascannons unless they stay still. The Vindicators are nasty but short ranged and you can spread dudes out to minimise damage to 4-5 dudes. Any form of artillery will devastate him turn 1. He has 200 points tied up in a HQ which is worse than useless, an active liability. While a footslogging calth set will be beaten pretty handily, any list with competent anti-armour will win without difficulty

>>50208336
Yet according to FW Russ is thousand times prettier.

Really makes you think...

>List could be better but i love the look of the unit too much not to take it
Mine's the Deredeoand i play RG

What's yours anons?

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>>50209263

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>>50206276

Which Legion runs the best Terminators only list?

>>50209436
"Dude, Where's My Deathshroud?"

LOYALIST Death Guard Pride of the Legion list.

-HQ
Praetor, 100
+Tartaros Armor, 35
+Master-Crafted Deathshroud Manreaper, 25
+Digital Lasers, 15
+Iron Halo, 10
+Grenade Harness, 10
Total, 190

-Deathshroud Terminator Bodyguard Command Squad, 90
+8 Deathshroud, 320
Total, 410

-2xDeathshroud Terminator Squad, 90 (180)
+8 Deathshroud, 320 (1,920)
Total, 410 (820)

-Troops
6xDeathshroud Terminator Squad, 90 (540)
+8 Deathshroud, 320 (1,920)
Total, 410 (2,460)

-Heavy Support
3xGrave Warden Terminator Squad, 200 (600)
+5 Grave Wardens, 175 (525)
Total, 375 (1,125)

Complete total, 5,005

>>50209411
Breachers.
I'm playing on of the two legions that can half-use them so.

>>50209436
SoH
IF
DG
IW if using Perty

>>50209436

+++ IW 2000 termie (2000pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++

+ HQ (330pts) +

Erasmus Golg (175pts)
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····Master of the Legion [The Hammer of Olympia]

Legion Centurion (155pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Phosphex Bombs, Power Fist]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: [Siege Breaker]

+ Troops (470pts) +

Legion Terminator Squad (235pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Power Fist]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Legion Terminator Squad (235pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Power Fist]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Heavy Support (1200pts) +

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (300pts) [Chainfist, 4x Tyrant Terminator]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (300pts) [Chainfist, 4x Tyrant Terminator]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (300pts) [Chainfist, 4x Tyrant Terminator]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (300pts) [Chainfist, 4x Tyrant Terminator]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor]

>>50209411
>>List could be better but i love the look of the unit too much not to take it

Headhunters, they're fairly weak compared to seekers, but they're such a fluffy unit for AL.

>>50209411
Exodus.
Yeah, I'm actually this tough.

>>50209543
whoooops illegal


+++ IW 2500 termie (2500pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts) ++

+ HQ (340pts) +

Erasmus Golg (175pts)
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····Master of the Legion [The Hammer of Olympia]

Legion Centurion (165pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 3x Phosphex Bombs, Power Fist]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: [Siege Breaker]

+ Troops (960pts) +

Legion Terminator Squad (240pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Chainfist, Combi-Weapon] x 4

+ Heavy Support (1200pts) +

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (300pts) [Chainfist, 4x Tyrant Terminator] x 4

What weapons and tactics do the benefits of Pariah Armour lend themselves to?

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So does FW accept human organs other than kidneys because i can just hop to France and harvest from the "refugees"
This is obscene even for GW

guise; how to convert prospero ahriman into a normal anon librarian??

>>50209727
nah m8, this is normal. You have to appreciate every last tiny piece of resin you purchase from FW.
Otherwise it's just a big toy.

>>50208512

Wouldn't be that different from current period BFG, a lot of BBs existed during the heresy. Cruisers and strike cruisers would be a little different and the Gloriana ships would have to be statted out, probably equivalent to the world killer in hull and weapons

>>50208777

Are the shoulder pads on the thallax the same as the cataphractii ones?

Can I use the legion specific pads on thallax?

>>50209810
Probably not exactly the same but that's not a bad idea tbqhmiafamilia

>>50209577

>exodus

Worth his points cost

He won't be amazing but by god he will be useful

Compare him to a naked recon squad and you'll see what I mean

>>50209924
>Super assassin
>AP 3
>Anyone you want to kill with have a 2+

>>50209924
115 vs 150
BS6 vs BS4 is huge
S5 Salvo 2/4 vs 5 Sniper rifles
3W + IWND vs 5W
They are almost equal honestly. And don't forget that scouts are scoring.

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Screw it, just pre-ordered Blood Bowl and the Season One book.

Mechanicum will have to wait, unfortunately.

>>50209924
>>50210013
>>50210027
Really he just needs AP2 on the rifle and then he'll be good.

>>50209737
Helmet swap.file shoulder pad down

>>50210013
Still has rending, so unless he gets shot at that should be one AP2 shot once every game. It just has to be the shot that counts.

My Exodus once did the final two wounds on Curze with his execution shot. But then again it was just Curze, so not that much of an achievement :^)

Children of Sicarus link anyone?

>>50210062
Exodus would likely need a points increasy if the execution shot was AP2. Precision hit on 4+ that ignores look out sir that does 2 wounds with AP2 sounds kinda OP.

>Look at that, did your delegatus standing with his firedrake bodyguard there lose a wound ? *BLAM* well he's dead now. Ain't that a shame.

>>50210211
>that ignores look out sir
Eh?

>>50210057
I'm also currently deciding between Blood Bowl or a 30k project.

If I want every possible up-to-date rule option for Death Guard, which books do I need?

Clearly the Crusade Army List and Age of Darkness Legions. Any other rules elsewhere in the Horus Heresy books that aren't included in those two?

>>50210222
>"... rather than following the usual procedure for allocating hits and saves..."

Look out, sir is part of 'the usual procedure for allocating hits and saves' so when you gotta ignore that you can't roll for it.

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>>50210083
Have you seen how the model goes together?

>>50210537
>that Magnus

>>50210331
>Look out, sir is part of 'the usual procedure for allocating hits and saves'
Nope, that's not true. LOS is made "When a Wound is allocated"(c). In addition, it is explicitly siad that "A character that has a Precision Shot Wound
allocated to it can still make a Look Out, Sir roll."

>>50210013
He's got Rending. And I'd much rather see Rending get doled out liberally than have even more AP2 running around everywhere.

>>50208647
What about Vulkan?

>>50209327
>any list with competent anti-armour will win without difficulty
give me an exmple of such a list please

>>50210537
I hate the trend of having some stupid fuck looking at the viewer in BL art.

>>50210969
M8, that's been a thing in GW artwork for literally decades.

>>50210994
Yes and I hate it. It almost bothers me even more on the BL covers cuz the art is usually especially shit.

>>50210537
Did Neil have a stroke?

Magnus is hilariously bad

>>50210600
Yeah, just replace the head and file the shoulders.

>>50210537
I asked for this pic a while ago. Why didn't you give it to me, anon?

>>50210537
Is Magnus standing in a crater?

>>50210208
Pls

>>50211094
Like the prophets once said.

>>50209524
Which two legions is that? Imperial Fists and ?

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>>50208512
Hell yes I would, I'd honestly rather shell out hundreds on ships than a couple hundred on a few squads of marines or a single knight, and I've always loved the battle-cathedral spaceship look

>>50210233
Do both

>>50211214

The FW ships were pretty baller models too, I would love more

>>50210537

>You're probably wondering how I got here...

>>50208512

I'd be hesitant if it was an entirely FW deal just because I wouldn't be able to afford both regular Horus Heresy and an HH: BFG (not to mention smaller playerbase because of no plastic).

I absolutely love the idea though, and plastic I'd definitely invest a bunch in. Even if resin, I'd probably grab a few when I could.

>>50210249
The Crusade Army list has been superceded by the Age of Darkness army list. Age of Darkness Legions are the Legion-specific rules and units.

>>50211573

I bet you would, if their previous ship prices were anything to go by. It would be cheaper than trying to get into BFG now, that's for sure

>>50207221
Tell us more about the incident where an Iron Warrior spiked you drink and then raped you in a dark alley.

>>50211968
Man, with your ability to fall for obvious bait like that you could almost be an Imperial Fist.

>>50210537
the flesh change hit magnus pretty hard, it seems

>>50207161
put frag grenades on all your robots, they're +1 initiative in legio cybernetica so it's actually pretty helpful (especially on Vorax).

units of 5 castellax is probably overkill, it's probably better to run 3 units of 3 than 2 units of 5 (robots don't have a small unit tax unlike most things in HH)

I'm not a fan of large Thallax blobs or Thallax in general since their main weapon is just too underwhelming. that said, the models are sick and they're WAY cheaper than buying adsec and triaros for your scoring. still, you only have two units of scoring, so if they get tied up in forever combat (not very unrealistic) or you lose one/both you're not winning most missions.

avengers with missile launchers is an interesting choice. personally I think it's a bit redundant with your robots since they're already very good at raping marines. you don't really have a way to crack land raiders and spartans, so instead of avengers I would recommend at least one lightning with kraken penetrators

I guess you don't really /need/ a thanatar since you're running all darkfire for your AP2 spam instead of MBCs, but... it's the Thanatar, man! it feels sinful not to take one just because of how cool it is. plus, that plasma wave rule makes it a lot more useful for killing marines in cover than just shooting darkfires at them with targeters.

rad rounds on vorax are really mediocre unless you're up against guys like IH and Stone Guantlet Imperial Fists that don't give a fuck about S3 shooting. it's usually better to just keep them cheap and focus on their close combat strength
WITH ALL THAT OUT OF THE WAY - most of that is personal preference and that list would probably still work reasonably okay. of all the things I mentioned the lack of a real answer to AV14 is the biggest problem - darkfire may be lance, but it's still glancing on 5s since it's only S7.

>>50212235
>rad rounds on vorax are really mediocre
1D4CHAN LIED TO ME

>>50212280
There's not a lot of people that work on those pages so the testing is mediocre. Here's my take on that upgrade: by halving your range, you get half as many chances to fire at a target before you charge them. If you run the math, you'll do more wounds shooting someone over two turns than shooting them one turn with a better chance to wound.

Against other robots (or anything else that S3 isn't going to do much against) then they are quite good, but that's a meta-dependent upgrade. In situations where the longer range isn't going to get you another turn of shooting, then yeah, they'll do more damage, although the cost/benefit is merely okay. At the end of the day it comes down to what kind of armies you play against and what kind of boards you play on.

>>50212323
Well, I was considering them as praevian buddies for a raven guard army (basic idea was to provide some AP2 melee to go with the dark furies' AP3 melee) so, given I'd be infiltrating them, maybe the bio rounds would be worth it. Thanks anon, that's actually been helpful.

>>50212384
>not taking solar auxilia axe squads for your ap2

>>50211141
AND THE ASHES
ARE ALL COLD NOW!

If I take Anacharis Scoria and 3 Vorax in my Legio Cybernetica army, can I then attach Scoria to them and Outflank the unit? Would solve his mobility problem and be cool as hell.
Also, if I buy the Cohort Cybernetica bundle, and add 20 Thralls, a Magos Reductor and 2 artillery tanks, would that be a serviceable 2k army to start with?

>>50212474
NO MORE BOLTSHELLS
AND THE EMPEROR'S DEAD

>>50211184
Ultras, via power swords.

>>50210211
>Implying that isn't exactly what he should be like

>>50212744
suzerains are kind of like breachers too, though obviously much better

Is truth that Malcador wants primarchs to be females? Several times i saw references to this.
If it's truth please sauce of this revelation.

>>50212851
Every fucking thread.

>tfw you're not done your FW HH book-style writeup for your OCDONUTSTEEL Lost Legion and the wordcount is already at 2,500

y-you guys'll read it, right?

>>50212695
Scout/Outflank only requires one model in the unit to have the rule, so that would work. That said, if you're gonna do a Scoria ball it's go big or go home. You wanna get the most out of his power, don't you? You can take Vorax in units up to six now in the red book, and they're so cheap that it's really not even that many points if the only upgrade you give them is Frag Grenades.

>>50212883
No. The lost legions were purged for a reason.

>>50212883
>Lost Legion
god no

>>50212883

You can't even capitalize your posts properly.

>>50212883
Lost legions are dumb. If you want to be a unique OC babby do Blackshields. People actually like Blackshields, and making up new warbands fits with existing lore.

>>50212921
>putting effort into 4chan posts

I may be retarded enough to write this shit, but I'm not THAT retarded.

>>50212851

Literally some throwaway line in a BL book where he jokes that the Emperor should have made the primarchs women because there would be less fighting that way.

>>50212883
I may draw some silly weapons from time to time, but I'm not too much into fanfiction...even though some BL publications are in that tier. Sorry, anon.
>>50212921
>You can't even capitalize your posts properly.
In what ways is his post wrong? What am I missing here?

>>50212962
The one bad thing Chris Wraight has done.

>>50212923
>>50212904
I'm writing this as though it's entirely canon. The Legion got purged before the Heresy itself, just as in the canon, and if I were to do it on tabletop, yes, I would use Blackshields. Outlanders, in fact, because it works really well.

That's half the reason to do this, to attempt to be able to mimic the writing style of the FW HH books and do one of their Legion breakdowns of a Legion of my own devising, and to write what that Legion would have been like tactically, organizationally and culturally, in a way that works organically within the internal consistency of the setting.

These guys aren't Mary Sues by a long shot, and they end up getting their shit kicked in by Horus and Russ, only after being one of the least effective Legions in the crusade. I just, like every single one of you here, love thinking up groups of Spehs Mehrins, and the Lost Legions are the perfect opportunity to do that.

I mean, I'm not the first person to have done this, nor am I the last.

>>50212883
I'd read it.

>>50212999
No, Tzeench, you may not be the first, nor the last, but it does not mean that anyone likes it either.

It's a bit odd (in-universe) that the traitors still don't talk about the lost legions once the heresy has got underway.
>We renounce all vows to the Emperor!
>Except the one about keeping quiet about the lost legions. We're sticking to that forever for reasons of honour, or something.

>>50212982
It was clearly a joke by Malcador but autists on the Internet immediately took it seriously.

>>50212886
Yeah, eventually my Scoriastar will be 6 Vorax, probably, but ATM I'm playing either 1500 or 2k games (with proxy models, booo) and I'd rather have the extra Castellax or Thallax, seeing as Scoria and 3 Vorax is already plenty of punch, and costs barely more than a Primarch on his own, not even counting his retinue and transport.

Very tempted to give my second Magos the Cortica Primus and try to use Rite of Fury as well, but that is too much investment in an already deadly unit IMO. Probably will try it in bigger games though, since a squad of 6 MCs and a man who can kill Horus himself throwing out 36 S6AP2 attacks for just under 900 pts. is a big a deathstar as I think I need.

>>50212999
>in a way that works organically within the internal consistency of the setting.
Tzeentch trips you may have, but not talking about the lost legions is the one thing that IS consistent in the setting.
That said, as long as (You) are having Fun.

>>50213033
Maybe the Lost Legions' ends were that tragic.
>>50213046
This. THIS.

>>50213033
In fairness it happened early enough that most of the legionaries who remember are probably already dead and the rest might have not wanted to associate themselves with the Bad Thing that happened ages ago.

>>50212999
Listen to me, I'll sort of read it because you got that trip, but that doesn't mean I'll like it. I mean, I read HH2 for compromise, didn't read the last 3 HH books after Extermination.

>>50213052
I'LL NEVER HAVE FUN YOU VILE FUCK

Yeah, that's pretty much why I'm doing ti.

>>50212962
>>50212982
>>50213046
>>50213056
What novel/short story/etc.. was it?

>>50213033
THIS. WHY DO HORUS, LORGAR AND MAGNUS DON'T ENDLESSLY TEASE THE LOYALISTS WITH THIS TOP-TIER BANTER MATERIAL?
Well, obviously because that'd mean BL authors would need to write about it, but still. It's sort of there.

>>50213047
>Cortica Primus
Relics are intended for campaigns and not standard games unless opponent agrees to using them; see the FAQ, it's the last part. It kind of sucks since Mechanicum got to use theirs for all of a few months between the Red Book allowing it and the FAQ removing it, but that's just how it is.

Basically as soon as you get any mileage out of it your opponents might get salty and stop letting you take it. Most of the legion-specific relics suck and the generic relics are either game breaking to the point that neither player would want them in the game (like the grey goo gun nanyte blaster) or cheese magnets with vague rules that provoke arguments (combat array thing).

It's a shame since the Cortica Primus is one of the only relics that's both actually pretty good and has enough of a serious downside that it remains fairly balanced.

>>50213033
nothing to talk about

They didn't fall to chaos or lead grand rebellions. For whatever reason they just sucked so hard they got stricken from the record.

>>50213088
Well, Horus isn't often face to face with loyalists, Lorgar might have something approaching respect for the dead and Mangus is too busy being tragic over being taken in by the most obvious lie since the Lectitio Divinitatus.

>>50213084
The sigillite audio drama cover

>>50213066
>>50213023
http://pastebin.com/qu4FjnE7

Alright. I haven't gotten very far. Haven't really broken down the Legion itself yet.

The core concept is the Legion is based around is the Ranger in contemporary fantasy. These are bushcraft marines, hunter marines, deathworld ecosystem specialist marines.

There's a brief note-form summary at the bottom of the text-dump that outlines where the events lead to.

>>50213084
Scars.

>>50213033
Why would you want BL to write any more of the mystery out of the setting?

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>>50213046
>My Lord, have (You) considered these giant posthuman exemplar children of yours should perhaps be better off as females? As in, very big and proportioned wome-
>Ooohoho Malcador, ya pervy man, you're so funny!
>O-of course. T'was but a jest M'Lord! Nothing but a jest...
Malcador the Based.

>>50209727
You're not exactly giving yourself any mercy with the vehicle and the tactical squad. Just grab a transfer sheet and mk6 from standard marine boxes.

>>50213163
>as Malcador turns to leave, one solitary tear rolls down his hooded cheek

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>>50213152
Thank you.

>>50213116
Well, that sucks, but at least most of my local GWs Heresy players seem cool. Maybe we'll break them out for a silly game sometime and have raging Vorax fighting teleporting invisible Moritats and such.

I seem to be the only Mechanicum player there (or I will once I get some proper models), so I think I might shake the Meta a bit since I saw loads of footslog Termies and Primarchs and the occasional Land Raider, Kharibydis and lots of Knights.
Hopefully they will realise that S6AP2 is no longer the only required weapon profile.

>>50213163
If only Malcador was a woman, (s)he could have had all the giants (s)he ever would have wanted.

>>50213088
If you lost two brothers, would you tease the remaining ones about them?

Especially since Magnus actively likes the loyalists (except Russ), Lorgar is pained that he has to do this to them, Horus is cordial to the end, Mortarion is saddened that he has to deal with them, Alphy's an enigma and Angron probably doesn't even remember them.

The only ones I can actually see teasing the them are Fulgrim and Kurze

>>50213221
>loads of footslog Termies and Primarchs
Oh boy, they're in for a rough awakening against Mechanicum.

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>>50213195
>Implying he wasn't strong enough to handle the SoS and have fun with them
Motherfucker brushed off a Primarch's punch, you can bet your ass he'd get laid in a heartbeat.

Thinking of using a Malcador squadron as my heavy support choice in a NL terror Assault list. 3 of them with battle cannons, demo cannons and Las cannon sponsons with the command tank upgrade giving them tank huntets. Is this a dick move?
I figure it counters terror Assault normal reliance on Infantry and gives me some new vehicles to paint/convert up.

>>50213237
That they are, especially if the Ultras player and the WE player keep sticking them into units of 10 legion specific terminators. I haven't even tried to go cheesy with my lists, and I still think I could wipe that out T1 with a little luck.

Might go heavy on the Thralls and Thallax to let their tactical blobs actually get to do things, since my starting army will be mostly robots because the bundle is somewhat fixed me in possible lists for a while, but I'm going to convert my Thralls and artillery anyhow.

>>50213195
Femarchs would make me give a fuck about the whole Prospero event. Megan, a misguided witch with a curiosity far too Great for her own good must fight her ferocious sister Lena, incensed beyond reason by her sister's treachery.
So they fight, mind against steel, fury against cunning, blow after thunderous blow, grappling in the mud, powered armours wet, pressed against their toned forms...
Might actually make me give a fuck about the Prospero event, I tell you ;^)

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>>50213325
.
..
...
Go on.

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>>50213255
Bullshit it actually hurt him a lot and he had to pretend it hadn't, while Morty was barely shoving him. I'm not denying he didn't get more ass than a toilet seat, he probably did, but he wasn't punch-proof, especially when not using his mighty psychic powers, second only to Mega-- eehr, Magnus.
>>50213360
Name your favourite Primarch dammit anon I didn't have much more than that

>>50213405
Perturabo.

>>50213405
Ferrus Manus, of the needlessly straightforward name.

>>50213405
I'd like to see you expand on Prospero.
>The bitching of Prospero

>>50213258

That's a pretty sizable chunk of points, what level are you playing at?

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>>50213457
>>50213457
>>The bitching of Prospero
That sums up these threads once Inferno comes out.

>>50213405
He got slapped by Lorgar and flew 40 meters and still got up with only a few broken ribs, guy's made of steel

>>50213424
>>50213444
>>50213457
A Storm has fucked things up and I'm resorting to phoneposting. It'll take a bit longer than I expected. Have the patience Megan, Petra and Fernanda were Known to lack. Also, names plz? Fernanda means lightbringer, and Petra is Stone, literally the oposite of Perturabo's Iron.

>>50207685
>>50207643
>Not taking porphyrions
>not covering table in twin linked S10 ap 1 large blasts.

>>50213405
I was referring to Lorgar's punch inThe First Heretic. Malcador gets back up easily.

>>50212235
Thanks for the feedback

>>50213515
If perty's cold iron, which will break before it bends, then Petra shall be implacable stone, and weather all against her

>>50213501
>>50213518
It probably hurt but Malcador is ancient and a disgustingly powerful Biomancer. He's the third most powerful psyker in the galaxy. Non-transfigured Lorgar ain't gonna do shit.

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>>50213501
>>50213518
Oh. I was thinking about this bit with Morticia

Dammit I think the whole bloc's transformer is broken now

>>50213546
Also, this. Malcador is only less powerful than Magnus, but against witch-hating Morty he was T3

>>50213545
Ok, I guess.

>>50213546
How powerful is Malc anyway? Everybody sucks his dick about psychic powers but he's literally done nothing psychic in anything we've seen.

>>50213501
>>50213518
that's because lorgar's a bitch

What should Thallax be equipped with?

I'm torn between starting up 30k or grabing Blood Bowl.

There's the £80 bundle that saves £16, but has no special weapons.

>>50213545
Also, it's not like stone bends either or that it doesn't break. But Petra and Ferr it is then

>>50213515
>Lion a'Jondaughter
>Fulgrina
>Petra
>Jacqueline Khan
>Lena Russ
>Rowena Dorn
>Kelly

>>50213599
He's second only to the Emperor, but if Magnus trained and honed his power rather than wielding the raw might of the warp he'd be second instead.

>>50213033

Because I think it's pretty safe to imply that the lost legions were stricken from the records because they were defeated and their primarchs presumably killed some way. There's not much to talk about

>>50213639
And yet we haven't seen him do anything impressive other than tank a blow from the weakest primarch

>>50213599
I wouldn't call "Hiding a whole goddamn moon and project it in time so that a few marines turn into a full functionning chapter of GK when it comes out of the warp protection it was single handedly mut in" a small feat, anon.

>>50213141

Honestly I would say that black shields who are hinted to be renegade elements of one of the lost legions is pretty cool but they should still be vague as fuck in any sort of details, especially with an in universe document

>>50213657
>What is sitting on the golden throne
>What is submerging titan in the warp
What have we seen Magnus do, except take tzeentch steroids and job?

>>50213670
>implying he did it alone

It's clear from the fluff he's got some arcane shit nobody else has (the council of assassins room being displaced one second out of time)

>>50213685
The Ashen claws are sort of like that, in Retribution the corrupted Night Lord log records them as "ghosts of the #$_ legion, slain long ago"

>>50213708
Still, even with help it ain't nothin'.

>>50213639
Magnus' sorcery beats Malcador's soul-bound psychic powers. Old man his mighty and has mastery of his art, but nippleboy has raw power and arcane lore of his own, belying his young age.
>>50213634
Leona
Fulgrina Fenicia de Chemosia Brava, because she's a telenovela

>>50213727
You could use some of the daughter names form WHH.

>>50213755
Thing is I don't remember them, anon.

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>on book 40
>BL announcing that the final phase of the heresy is in effect
>literally have at least 20 books more and countless shorts and novellas
Will this ever end? Will we still be here in 2020? 2025?

>>50213795
>scouring
gotta bridge the gap between the beast series and the heresy, after all :^)

>>50213922
They're already doing that with the beast series, to catastrophic results

The founder of the inquisition is Kyril Sindermann, he witnessed Horus killing Emps and he's lived to a millenium and a half before he gets killed by Vangorich

>>50213972
>The founder of the inquisition is Kyril Sinderman

Wouldnt that be A founder since there were more than 1 mortal chosen by Malcador?.

>>50214011
Original fluff they were 4 IIRC. Now it seems like he's the only one

>>50213972
right, but we need more

Like another 30 books more. Gotta see where all the primarchs go.

>>50214032
The other three kept bugging the Dark Angels about where their planet went.

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Cataphractii are done.

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Big collage incoming

Hey guys im starting my 30k alpha legion arund christmas time, hows this amount of models as a start for an army?

I have a mortis dread with 2 kheres assault canons, its a death guard but im gonna sand down everything but the big rivets.

40 tac marines

3 rhinos

Alpharius himself

And a sicaran venator

These arrived today. Conversion beamers for Lernaeans. Thought these worked well, FW doesn't make Terminator-compatible conversion beamers.

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>>50214572
Ffs

>>50213444
Trips it is.

>A waste of her time, that's what the wait for her sisters' arrival was to Fernanda. Mankind could not afford to wait. Not while there was a Crusade to win. She would rather make use of that time, war may have been momentarily denied to her but she would not deny herself to it. Inside the Uralian mountains, there she would lose herself to war. "This time I'll complete it", she muttered to herself while contemplating the drawing of a beautiful longsword. "Fireblade" was it's name.
>The Uralian mountains. Inside of them there was a forge even martians would be amazed with, its fires fed by Terra's mantle. Not too long ago this was the birthplace of a tyrant's most fearsome weapons. Now it would give birth to the sword that would trim the galaxy into a place fit for humanity to inhabit. She was surpised when the adepts told her she was not the only one to have had the same idea that day, but not as much as the surprise when she found out who was that other person.
>The doors suddenly opened to reveal a being not unlike her, surrounded by an entourage of mighty warriors that were practically invisible, hidden in the being's radiance.
>She was sculpted to perfection, as if marble had suddenly come to life. A mane made of platinum reached her lower back, dancing with each movement of her hips. Her skin, so pale it could blind you on a six, betrayed a set of well built muscle underneath it, and nothing could have hid from her violet eyes. If the Imperial Truth didn't forbid it, everyone on the room would have postrated before the goddess.
>The shining Primarch approached the silver-handed one, and with grace and elegance kissed her sister's cheeks. She smelled like angels ought to smell
>"I didn't know you were here, Fulgrina".

[spoiler ]Uuuugh it's so cringy. I better grab dinner instead [/spoiler]

Is there a message about the futility of revenge in the Horus Heresy? I've been thinking about it a lot lately and I'm not sure if the pointlessness of turning to Chaos to get revenge on the Emperor is deliberate or not. I'm sort of on the fence about it because it's my own interpretation and I can think of a few ways to contradict it too.

>>50210678
But exodus doesn't do a Precision Hit. It is its own special rule with no mention of Precision Hit anywhere.

>>50214746
There is
>ferrus tries to revenge himself on fulgrim
>gets himself and 95% of his legion killed
>angron tries to get revenge on emps for making him a slave
>merely exchanges one owner for another

How would a Daemon Prince of Nurgle with wings, armour, and a plague flail and balesword (total of 250pts.) work?

I'm mostly thinking of adding him as an anti-MC, anti-Primarch unit. Balesword wounds on 4+ and has ID, which is good for killing multi-wound targets. For targets with Eternal Warrior there's the flail, which gets +1 Str. and unsaved wounds force a toughness test vs. taking more wounds. And since both weapons are Specialist Weapons, he gets +1 Attack from using them.

>>50214794
These are some of the examples I had thought of too, another one that comes to mind is how Chaos was ultimately the embodiment of the opposite of Lorgar's original ideals.

>>50214684
>Fernanda
>Not Ferra
I do think that Fem!Fulgrim sounds hot though.

>>50214813
>Chaos being the opposite of Lorgar's original ideals
Y'know, people may say that Lorgar is a horrible primarch, but I have to say that he's a great character, to me, at least.

He's a wide-eyed innocent man with nothing but love and adoration for his admittedly god-like father, who had given him an army with which to unite humanity under. The worlds Lorgar conquered, though few compared to his brothers, were of the most loyal and loving of them all, each and every one happy citizens whom would give their lives had the Emperor said so.

Yet it was Lorgar's punishment to see his crown jewel, his greatest accomplishment and most beautifuk city destroyed, and he and his legion forced to kneel by that very same god-like father, whom so stubbornly insisted that he was no god to be worshipped. But why? For surely power such as that was power that truly convinced them all that he was indeed, a God. For what man could force a Primarch and his sons to kneel as he had? No man, but a god could do such a feat so effortlessly.

So it was this that had broken Lorgar, his undying love and adoration further twisted by the whisperings of High Chaplain Erebus and his adoptive father, Kor Phaeron, of whom wished to return to the old ways of Colchis.

Chaos.

And so it was that the Word Bearers quietly fell, removing and having those who would not comply with the new ways and the old gods slain, a rotten hatred beginning to fester in the legion's collected hearts.

And that, is why I love the Word Bearers.

>>50214794
>angron tries to get revenge on emps for making him a slave
>merely exchanges one owner for another
To be fair that's Lorgar's fault.

>I love you, brother, so I will save you
>By doing the absolute last thing you want done to you

>>50214904
Eh, migh abbreviate it as Ferr in the topless scene.

>>50215040
Ohoho!

I'd not pay money to see that!

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Why is Mk 3 the sexiest mark of armour?

>>50215070
Because it's thick, hard, and strong, like a big meaty, and juicyGrox!

>>50215006
>the most loyal and loving of them all, each and every one happy citizens
Because dissenters, or those merely not devout enough for lorgar's standards were hunted down and made examples of.

There's a reason the emperor pulled him aside and said, quite explicitly, that his purpose "was to unite humanity, not enslave it."

>>50215070
thicc

That a shapeways cast? Look pretty solid. Though I prefer the blank faces of the FW ones.

>>50215070
I think that the resin FW ones are a lot better looking than the plastic GW ones.

>>50213405
What book is this from?

>>50215104
It is. I got them because I wanted a big, black fist on a field of yellow. I was jealous of the Medusan Immortals' shields.

>>50215070
Why is the backpack so high on the models? In old art it was more of a traditional backpack with different vents. In FW art the drum on top barely clears the Marine's head, but on the model it's riding way up there.

I wonder what it would look like if you took a MkIV backpack, put MkIII vents on it and put it on the model.

And what's with the pointy shoes? None of the old nor new art has those. And that band around the head. Makes him look like an old timey monk or something.

>>50215199
I don't know man, I just put them together. The backpack is seated correctly

I noticed the Custodes have the pointy shoes too.

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>>50215199
They're a reasonably close recreation of the resin models.

I imagine the pointy shoes are easier to work in plastic because of all the strange cuts they had to make for the banded legs to not look like shit.

>>50215199
just cut the knob off the back of the marine and set the backpack lower?

>>50215287
>The backpack is seated correctly

I know, I'm talking about the MkIII models in general. Both plastic and resin.

I've always liked the bulky look of the MkIII, but I've never liked the FW design. Neither do I like their MkII, MkV nor Contemptor designs. I also got some issues with their Catapharctii.

>>50215033
>Doing everything in his power to save his brother from death

Man, family am I right ?
just another example of the road to hell being paved with all the best intentions

>>50215303
Weird the MkIII kit didn't come with a sergeant torso (front) or any lightning bolts. They're all plain.

>>50215325
Odd, I absolutely love the FW MkII, MkIII, and Contemptors.

>>50211307
>Well, this is me...

>>50215344
Yeah, that's basically the only knock I have against the kit. Then again I don't think the mk4 kit came with one either.

>>50215391
I have to say though, assembling Mr. Breacher, I noticed that the Mk 3 plastic kit has far less mould-lines than the Mk 4 kit.

>>50215391
>I don't think the mk4 kit came with one either.

There was one extra torso (back and front) that had a skull on it. Thus, with some extra legs, it's easy to make 1 extra marine per MkIV kit.

I really wish the 40k Eradication Beamer was in 30k. Being able to be stronger the closer you are would be great in melee-dedicated armies.

>>50215160
Daemonology, from Blades of the Traitor. Obligated Mortarion read.

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>>50215348
>MkII

Apart from the band around the head and high riding backpack I don't like on the MkIII, the FW decision to make the armour plates fluted instead of abutted is one reason I don't much care for it. Just emphasizes the skinny leg syndrome on FW marines.

>Contemptor

The torso is too much egg-shaped and the legs on the old art ones had skinnier, more bony looking thighs (often with two struts with a gap in the middle, rather than a single piece). They were also much more Castaferrum sized, while FW ones are much taller. Leviathan and Dorido didn't do anything to alleviate this size creep.

Then there's the issue with not only putting an assault cannon into FW, but the design of it is a departure from the regular 40k design with much skinnier barrels. I've been working on replacing mine with maybe storm talon or stormraven assault cannon barrels to have them proper beefy.


All these are, of course, personal issues. I don't fault anyone for having wrongbad opinions. Luckily I have some old GW made Iron Warrior upgrade kit MkIII helmets (pic related) that I'm going to cast and put on my MkIII breachers, along with Anvilus backpacks.

>>50215305
The pack is taller where it curves towards the head. You cant mount it lower unless you cut out below the back of the neck.

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>>50215033
>tfw realizing that the traitor Primarchs really thought they were saving humanity and doing the right thing
>The degradation of their purpose is a way to show what the path to Chaos looks like
>Chaos won before the traitors even fell to it
There's a moral lesson here that I think gets lost in the action sometimes.

>start making a plain Tac squad
>4 marines in get carried away and make a badass dude with a slung boltgun and a double-handed spear before realising what I've done
>frantically page through the book to the Legion Veteran entry to see if he can be legal

phew

>>50215567
>saving humanity
more like saving themselves. pretty sure one big part of why horus ran over to heresy was because he saw that vision of the future where astartes wouldn't be needed anymore because they already conquered everything. very few marines gave even a single fuck about the humans on their ships.

>>50215671
If only he'd accepted the vision and wisdom of the Ultramarines.

>>50215613
That happened to me with B@C, made a sergeant with a meltagun, bolt pistol and chainsword then realized he wasnt legal. Luckily for me he is legal now that FW gave tac support squads the option for a CCW.

>>50215671
I think that depended on the legion. Ones like the Ultramarines and Salamanders had very humanist creeds. While Horus was fearing that the Emperor would genocide the Space Marines the way he did the Thunder Warriors, Roboute was already impressing on his marines that they would become lords and guardians of worlds.

>tfw outfitting an Archmagos to be a Melee Monster and a Machinator array to repair his Macrocarid Explorator that he and an Enginseer Auxilia will ride in for unkillable tank.
>Can't decide whether to give him a Volkite Charger or keep his Lucifex to save 10 points and make him 280 points.

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I'm curious when Scoria will get his own model. He looks awesome on the picture.

>>50215939
Join the queue, we also have people waiting for Dorn, Alpharius, Tyrant terminators ...

Wait a minute.

Enginseers have Battlesmith, Servo-arms, and a +1 to Battlesmith rolls. This means they only need to roll a 4+ to repair, right?

So if they had 2 Servo-automata with Servo-arms, they'd have a 2+, and anything more is worthless because 1 always fails, right? So you could give the other two special guns, or keep them naked? Because I can't see a reason as to why you would give them Servo-Arms if they themselves don't have Battlesmith? I guess if you wanted to use them as cheap power fists?

Also, how would you model them with Multi-meltas? I'm thinking of loading up on 2 with Servo-arms, the rest with MMs. That sound good or no?

>>50215939

Supposedly it's already in the works.

He's getting a scorpion body.

>>50215984
So it would seem.

Do remember that if you can have several enginseers in the same unit (like with Militia), they all benefit from the sevitor bonus. So 3 enginseers and 2 servitors means 3 repair rolls that all get +3 to their result.

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>>50215843
Keep the Lucifex, you have better things to do in the shooting phase anyway.
>>50215751
>Horus was fearing that the Emperor would genocide the Space Marines
I'm a IW, but I think if Dorn was the Warmaster and knew they'd be genocided Thunderwarrior style he wouldn't rebell, but instead ask Emps some way to go out in glory rather than being euthanized.
Such was Dorn's zeal and faith in the Great Crusade. Far too uncompromising to be the Warmaster, but based he was. Give that man a modl

>>50216203
RAW it say AN Enginseer, so that's debatable.

But giving them all Servo-arms means giving them all Power Fists and a CCW attack, so you could also use them to tarpit Marines, since CCWs have S User and AP-, the Servo Automata will do surprisingly well.

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So against this one opponent my Saboteur has now exploded his HQ's ride (which is either a fully pimped spartan or a land raider) 5 times in a row.
Last time he didn't seem to take it that well, and has sworn to make a list that counters Saboteurs.

I was highly amused at first, but now I'm wondering if I should give my Saboteur a break because people are starting to get very upset about him. Might have something to do with the exploding-expensive-tank spree he has going on.

Or should I double down and field 2 of them ?

>>50216294
>RAW it say AN Enginseer, so that's debatable.

By RAW none of the models in the unit get any bonuses, since the unit doesn't have a single Enginseer, only adepts and a magos. Also, assuming it means any model with the Battlesmith rule, by RAW, only one model in the unit would EVER gain that benefit, no matter how many servitors there are to divvy up.

Militia's Enginseer Auxilia entry says "Enginseers" in relation to gaining bonuses. In 40k you can have, say, 2 techmarines in a unit with sevitors and they all gain the bonuses.


It sucks that servitors aren't like Tau drones or Fenrisian wolves that would let techpriests and techmarines to join units with them. It should really be a rule that if an IC can purchases additional models to itself, it'd still be able to join units with them.

>>50216429
Double Saboteurs! Sabotage his car as well! You're getting lucky, anon. Rolling 1-4 wouldn't do too much damage and only give you some loner HQ.

>>50216471
Whoops, was just calling them Enginseers for convenience, but the rule says Adept.

But yeah, RAW only one of them get the bonus.

But hey, a 2+, a 4+, and a 6+ to get extra hull points!

>>50216509
>player arrives to the game
>get Saboteur'd
>leave
>tires slashed
>stereo stolen
>"Hydra Dominus" sprayed on the side
>get home
>toilet seat is up
>beer missing from fridge
>gf has a "Hydra Dominus" tramp stamp

>>50216545
You still haven't told me which army you're talking about.

So I'm looking to get into 30k as Salamanders, Covenant of Flame RoW. This means Pyroclast troops, but right now I'm only thinking one squad.

I don't feel like running tactical squad blobs since I feel that's probably pretty common and also seems relatively boring in 30k.

Breacher squads look sweet, but what should I actually use them for? It would seem to be a waste of points to give them graviton guns. And I kinda want to avoid getting ANOTHER Land Raider just to drive them into combat (because $ and more spamming of one thing).

>>50216557
Damn this guy has his Harrow game on point.
>>toilet seat is up
Woah, there are limits, anon.

>>50216572
Mechanicum?

>>50216607
What book are you working on then, because the red taghmata book I got reads "For each additional servo-armed Servo-automata in the unit, an Enginseer" on pg. 34, the Tech-Priest Auxilia unit entry. No Adept nor Magos is mentioned in the Servo-automata Support rule there.

>>50216651
Oh, you're right actually. I was looking at the Enginseer rule, whoops.

>>50216574
Breachers always seem a point sink out of zone mortalis. They're harder to shift off an objective than a Tac squad and can pop vehicles, but the seem overcosted for that role.

>>50216689
Funny thing is that breachers are quite good against Salamanders. Since they want to spam flamers to really leverage the LA advantage having re-roll armoursaves against it really stops the burn.

>>50216666
Man, looking over the various techpriest/marine/adept rules, I'm getting dizzy at all the errors and inconsistencies. In the Militia entry it makes references to a magos, but there's no magos option. Legion techmarine servitors don't get to assist the techmarine in their repairs (no mention of the Servo-automata Support rule anywhere). Mechanicum Adepts don't have the Servo-automata Support rule either.

I'd ask FW about it, but they haven't answered any of the my questions so far, so what's the point?

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Huh

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marine-Iron-Warriors-Warsmith

I didn't even think they still made this guy. He's even wearing period appropriate armor (although a IW in Mk6 is funny)