/btg/ - BattleTech General

>>50204762
>>50204786
Honestly, I think battletech would be way more fun if the clans were more like the zentraedi

>>50204797
The two are pretty similar anyway

>>50204786
It does happen. I'm reminded of the one half-elemental giant guy in that early DA novel where the Falcons invade Skye.

>Guy critically wounds some Stormhammer soldier by punching him in the face because the scrub called his mother a clanner whore
>The rest of the squad all pulls their guns on him and calls the CO to deal with this
>The giant is all blubbering when the guy shows up
>"I didn't mean to hurt him that bad. But he shouldn't have said nothin' like that. Me mother was a saint."

>>50204815
Yep, I just think it'd be more fun if they were MORE similar

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>>50204822
Don't tell me that VSD wasn't getting snusnu from that elemental that had Lincoln Osis for part of her genes.

>>50205000
Say what you will about Manlett Steiner-Davion, but he had mad pussy game. He made his dad getting a jailbait Steiner princess look like child's play.

Which Heavy/Assault lance do you guys generally deploy when you have the choice?

>>50205307
Four Atlases.

What kind of question is that?

>>50205307

Kingfisher + Blood Kite with a couple of at least 5/8 or 6/9 heavies and a Crimson Hawk 2 for shits and giggles.

What, no one had the balls to say a lance of Hellstars somehow obtained by a heroic Mary Sue mercenary company?

>>50205307

Well, my merc use a lance of Hellstars (a gift from WiE for saving Arc-Royal during campaign play) as their primary "hammer" assault unit.

Dammit, didn't realize the thread was in auto-sage.

>>50204758
>>50206740
>Those trilogies are so old they're non-canon now, though. There's no modern valid sources that imply Clanners fuck around.

>>50206774

No novels have been de-canonised.

And the reason there aren't modern sources talking about it isn't that it doesn't happen or never did but because the novels and SBs went PG-rated for language and sexuality a long time ago.

War crimes and shit is still fine though because logic.

>>50205425
That's a scout lance, Anon.

>>50206875
>No novels have been de-canonised.

Everything that matters about them has been retconned by newer material. They don't need to be officially de-canonized; they're already non-canon by dint of the newer material making the event which happen within them impossible (such as Phelan's battle on the Rock).

They're reasonably fun reads, but they're simply not valid as source material any more. Think of them as fan fiction+.

>>50206875
More to the point, it isn't really necessary to go over in modern sources as the old ones already do so. And outside novels, the Warriors of Kerensky sourcebook mentions it as well on pages 51-52., and for modern sources, Era Digest: Golden Century also makes mention of it.

>>50205055
The pure waifu jailbait Steiner was still better than the used up slags Victor got.

>>50206959
This is good sarcastic b8. Now do the one about how all the factions are sues and the writers need to be put to death.

>>50207140
>used up slags

No dissing Omi Kurita.

>>50205055
He was sort of Donald Trumps Mini-Me.

He couldn't rule worth a shit but he grabbed them by the pussy left and right.

>>50206959

>they're already non-canon by dint of the newer material making the event which happen within them impossible (such as Phelan's battle on the Rock).

The only thing that doesn't work is the Dragoons providing tech.

Everything else, regardless of how stupid it seems on the face of it (eg Phelan not recognising advanced tech or Victor not having an upgraded machine) can stillbe explained away pretty easily.

Not that I don't wish they hadn't fucked with the Unseen and War of 3039 so much, but everything else still checks out.

>>50208544
>He couldn't rule worth a shit

Eh, he had crippling self-esteem issues, which he could paste over by riding a huge metal robot into battle. He probably would've been fine if they'd allowed him to hold court in a mech.

>>50205307
That's pretty damn era-dependant, but the one constant in my heavy/assault lances is that there's almost always at least one Thunderbolt

>>50208544
Well to be fair we don't know what kind of leader he'll be. Victor we know was an idiot.

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>>50209647
He'll be great,
and if Victor is Trump then Hillary was Katrina.
She probably would've renamed us to the "American Alliance"

>>50205307
My go-to heavy lance for mercenaries anywhere from 3055-3150 is pretty much like so:

>Thunderbolt-7M
>Bandersnatch-01A
>Archer-4M
>Thunderbolt-7M (sometimes replaced by a Hound or some sort of warhammer, depending on era and what I feel like)

>>50209677
Lyran Alliance was such a cuck name

>>50209888
>no hound

>>50210143
Like I said, in DA stuff the hound often replaces the second thud. If it was available in more eras, I'd use it more, simple as that

Funny, when I go mercenary I'm more focused on light and medium mechs. Rarely do heavies or assaults because cost to fix. When I do the Clan thing, replacement cost isn't usually an issue.

>>50210675
On the other hand, lights die far too easy, and heavies and assaults almost always kill 10-100x their average post-battle repair cost in salvage. I know I'd rather spend a hundred grand fixing up a thud than a million and a half buying a new light

>>50204467
A Freeborn Clan Warrior MAYBE.

Trueborns rarely couple with Clan freeborns, much less some spheroid who thinks they're hot shit.

Don't forget, the clans are all about getting hung up on silly points of honor.

>>50210675
I don't use lights much at all, because hovercraft and medium mechs do their jobs either significantly cheaper or significantly more survivably

If a Light is dying, it's either too obsolete to do it's job correctly or being misused for it's intended role.

I have terrible luck with hovers so I tend to go with heavier wheeled or treaded vees when I go with them as an option.

>>50209954
She spermjacked him, so you just made the term just a little bit more deviod of meaning there.

>>50211554
>she even cucked him out of his own baby batter
Smh desu senpai

>>50211554

Ain't that like an Asian rub and tug worker for you?

What is the best Mechwarrior video game experience?

>>50211903
Single player or MP? I've been having fun with MWO, tho the devs might be questionable to some. I have been enjoying it so far. If you don't want to deal with that, Living Legends just got a nice update, but it's dead as hell.

SP the best is probably 4. MechAssault is kind of arcade-y, might be your thing. I thought 2 was okay.

>>50211903
I LOVED Mechwarrior 3 and played the hell out it.

>>50211903

DESU, my favourite was MW1 due to the lite roleplaying elements involved. Traveling the entire innersphere was great!

The gameplay doesnt hold up though, and the light mech exploit takes the fun out of it once you learn it

Mechwarrior 2 NetMech is my second place - not played MWO though as my PC is shite

>>50204780
a cat can be isorla'd to

>>50211903
MW3 is the best.

4 is fun, but feels dumbed down, doesn't look as good, and is more arcadey to me.

2 is great for nostalgia feels, plus that soundtrack.

>>50212490
2 Mercs is the best. Best soundtrack, giant maps, best missions, voices. The audio is amazing, all those characters. If only the graphics had aged a little better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at9hxU864Fg

3 is close runner up, better weapon effects and graphics aged better. Everything else is solid second.

So I'm getting into designing mechs, and one thing is giving me a heap of issues - running TSM smoothly, without wasting a lot of BV on weapons that are only used a fraction of the time to run the TSM.

>>50212638
Only bother using TSM with a short range or bracket fire machine. Don't forget you can toggle heatsinks off and on every round as well if you feel your machine is oversinked.

>>50212676
>Don't forget you can toggle heatsinks off and on every round as well if you feel your machine is oversinked.

What's the actual timing on this? Or, where are the rules for it?

>>50212711
HS can be shut off during the End Phase of a turn.

>>50212628
We live in a world where games barely a decade old are getting remasters, and yet MW2 never has been. Remastering that game and its expansions would be an instant buy for me.

>>50212628
2 Mercs was okay, but even with nostalgia it doesn't have that much on 3

>>50212932
>Killing some Jags on generic forest planet 2999
>Comparing to fighting all over the Sphere including the Battle of Luthien and on the outer hull of a Jumpship

I liked 3 a lot but don't pretend the missions even compare.

>>50213092
>fight all over the hexagon blob planets that all look the same
Yeah it was impressive compared to EarthSiege

>>50212932
>preferring 3 to 2
Don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again.

>>50213168
>wife's son

I don't get this meme

>>50213280
An androgynous young white man with a silly haircut was speaking over black young men at a protest, allegedly yelling and harassing those who were trying to speak to the black young men. When he was called out on his actions as hypocritical and his arguments countered, he said 'don't talk you me or my wife's son ever again' and walked away, dragging a small child.

>>50213168
But as great as 2 was, 3 just was cooler. Microprose, son, Microprose.

>>50213280
Like most dumb shit, it's a /pol/ meme

>>50213439
MC was better than 3 by a country mile. Hell, even MC2 was, just for all the ham.

>>50213475
MC is a different thing though. Of course strategy games are better.

>tfw fighting off a company of bondsmen militia led by indoctrinated Drac officers
I'm glad that shit was canonized, it was awesome.

Anyone else run into unique players of the game?

>be a CapCon player mostly
>just enjoy the fluff and their tech
>move to a new town and get involved at the LGS
>a group of guys there are all CapCon players too
>get to talking during a game one day
>they all believe in the Confederation's type of government and society
>talk about how a strong central state where everyone earning citizenship would be best
>talk about how the state should play a major role in raising children
>talk about how personal liberties are overrated compared to societal common good and cultural cohesion

I thought they were fucking with me at first but after a few weeks I've realized they're not. They were all big Bernie Sanders supporters too, which I kinda found funny.

So /btg/, have you met weird players?

For those that love some of the audio of Mech Commander (and Gold): -
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pehas5xyoaocfaz/2016-11-12_MechCommanderGold-Pilots-with-Instructions.rar

>>50214235
I've had the good fortune so far not to run into players more weird than what's average for tabletop wargaming, so far.
If you actually mean unique and not just weird, last month I had a good game against a fellow who only had one arm.

>>50208918
Should have embraced his Lyran heritage more then. I'm sure they would have built an assault mech sized throne for him.

>>50214235
This is pretty common in my experience, and largely why I loathe the CapCon.

>>50214877
He pretty much did, which is why the civil war didn't make much sense to me. If Katherine had played up her Davion heritage and stolen the Suns half from Victor it would have made more sense. I can only assume they didn't want Davion forces to be the "bad guys" in a civil war.

>>50208918

>Eh, he had crippling self-esteem issues, which he could paste over by riding a huge metal robot into battle.

You're thinking of Kai.

Victor actually did very well, it's just that the sudden swerve of his most hard-core supporters and most pro-Davion advisors towards Katherine comes literally out of nowhere because it has to happen for the FCCW to go ahead.

That was a group hand-picked for loyalty and intelligence, and all of them knew Katherine had killed Melissa. But then they go from being smart and hating her to being incredibly stupid and loving her overnight.

It is what happened but it's still dumb.

>>50215093

Pretty much this. It would make so much more sense. The Lyrans weren't huge fans of the Dracs but the Suns hated them a lot more. She could have used Victor's relationship with Omi to whip up the Draconis March and point out to the Capellan March that Victor's focus on the Clans meant they weren't getting enough troops assigned to them, along with telling everyone that he speaks German as his first language, grew up on Tharkad, went to Lyran academies with a lip-service stint at the NACMS, and has since served exclusively in Lyran units and primarily ruled from the Lyran half of the realm.

But then the Lyran forces of the time were mostly derp personified and they got straight fucked by the AFFS, so logically Victor would have lost the Civil War in that case. And if you think the state of the Suns and Lyrans in the Dark Age or Jihad was bad, imagine that shit going down with Katherine on the throne or her legacy in place.

>>50215285
That's another good point. Katherine tried to trash talk Victor by saying he had a myopic focus on the Clans. Lyran citizens should have been clamoring for leader like that.

>>50215333

Something something Peace Princess something something opinion polls something something true inheritor of the Steiner values.

But seriously it's mostly Tormano Liao. The exact moment her reign turns to shit is when he goes back to running Free Capella. Without him to give her good ideas and make her think they're her own or take care of actually running the place instead of strutting around saying she's running the place, the Lyrans only had Katherine and Nondi.

And both of them thought that if Katherine came up with an idea it had to be the best one in human history and probably the best one anyone would ever have, because it was an idea that Katherine had come up with.

Do you think it would have been possible to bring an end to the FedCom as a setting-beating superpower WITHOUT the crazy nonsense parade that was the FCCW?

>>50215285
>>50215333

Remember Victor actually ruled from Tharkad in the few years he could actually keep his ass in a chair. The way it was framed, the Lyrans saw him as a Suns prince ruling them from outside, and the Suns saw him as a traitor who cared more about the Lyrans than the Clans. He went to a Lyran military school, commanded a Lyran unit and snuggled up to the Dracs. No wonder the Draconis March was chaffing under that.

Interestingly, during the Civil War, the Draconis March basically told everyone to sod off while they invaded the Combine and the Capellan March decided to just sit the whole thing out until they got attacked by people who wanted New Syrtis and Kathil.

Then right after the Civil War when that peacenik Tancred takes over from his warmongering father, he goes into hiding with the First Princess for the first few years of the Jihad. So Robinson is all like "Our boss is playing hide the salami with the homely Steiner-Davion sister and isn't looking this way. LET'S GO FUCK UP THE DRACS AGAIN!"

So I mean, the Draconis March really did what they wanted to during the whole business anyway. Why kill Davions when you can kill THOSE OTHER FAKE JAPANESE GUYS WITH RED MECHS! HOW DARE THEY BE SO SIMILAR TO US IN CULTURE AND UNIT COLORS!

>>50215486
Easy. Kill all the Steiner Davion kids. Without the shared blood, the whole system based on bloodright collapses. The nobles of either state wouldn't follow somebody solely from the other.

>>50215486

Not really, no.

The set-up for its creation and the power of it were both so over the top that it required everyone to carry the idiot ball in order to break it.

The smartest thing to do would have been to never make it in the first place. But this is BT.

I dunno how many people watched Heroes back in the day but the FedCom reminds me a lot of Peter Petrelli. His power let him copy the abilities of anyone else he was around so by the end of the first season he had the ability to control and travel through time, fly, regenerate better than Wolverine, read and control minds, predict the future, and some other shit I can't remember.

So in order to make plots that were more involved than "Peter solves every problem before it even comes up" they had to make him a complete retard and then strip him of his abilities so he could only mimic one power at a time and had to give up whatever power he did have to pick up a new one.

>>50215607
So if FedCom is Peter, then who is the cheerleader?

>>50215644

Michael Stackpole?

>>50215486
Maybe. You don't need Katherine S-D getting butte hurt because victor won't hold her butte and going power-mad, but the trick would be to find a way to break the absurd power of the AFFC in some other way before the WoB goes off, after which the alliane breaking in half under the strain of the jihad is plausible and logical.

>>50215678
I'll take it.

>>50215578
I used to think it was crazy how much the Draconis March kept invading the Dracs unilaterally until an anon here pointed out how sheer incompetent the Dracs are.

>>50216124

I think the only times they did it really was in the Jihad and FCCW, though I guess everyone was raiding shit in the 3rd SW.

Still they enjoyed a great deal of success on those two occasions.

>>50214235
I met someone who refused to play with anyone using a Clan army because they believed The Clans promoted Nazism because the Nazis invented eugenics, and that 's racist.

>>50217136

His mind would fucking explode if he knew how popular eugenics was all over the world back then. *Especially* how popular it was in the US.

>>50215486
Honestly, despite being really black and white in terms of politics (like, below even Stackpole "most politicians who weren't soldiers at one point are stupid and/or evil" black and white), the FCCW made a rather good deal of sense. For the most part.

The big issue was the leaders and the immediate subordinates themselves. Have Katherine actually be a decent ruler who can inspire genuine loyalty from competent officers via smart decisions and not being a one-dimensional sociopath. Have Victor, though inexperienced and naive, act like the charismatic, energetic, and likable dude earlier books had portrayed him as, not the laughably incompetent numpty surrounded by equally stupid people we got in the FCCW books.

Basically, have someone other than Coleman in charge.

>>50217181
I told him that eugenics was considered a lot by many countries, but he said that was KKK propoganda.

He also thinks that the Star League is the perfect analogue for the UN: that when the UN inevitably falls apart, it's going to destroy the whole world as it dies.

>>50214235
>an entire group of MadCaps

Do we have a scan of The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky?

I can't seem to find it in the plethora of pdfs we have.

>>50217199

In eugenics-related headcannon, since it is utterly impossible for the Clan phenotypes to have arisen in the listed time frame I imagine them as being the source of the Scientist Caste Conspiracy.

The deadlines set by a bunch of Clans caused their scientists to go and use direct genetic engineering, including the insertion of non-human DNA, and then they had to hide it from the Warriors.

It gets spread because when one Clan captures, eg, Elemental DNA from another the originating Clan reached out and said "Uh, by the way, you're literally going to find Fire Mandrill DNA in this sample. Please don't tell your Warriors or we'll all get Annihilated" and then the scientists from the Clan that captured it go "Wait, shit, we're not the only ones doing that? In that case we'll give you the heads-up on the ASF pilot genes you guys are trying for, there's Circinian octopus DNA in there for eyesight."

>>50217310
>the Scientist Caste Conspiracy

That is some of the coolest shit I've heard today. Where does this theory come from? Or is it just a fan theory?

>>50217334
It's one of the oldest plots in the books, going right back to the original clan invasion novels where the clans premiered. It didn't come to a head until the Wars of Reaving though.

The hints of the real weird shit we didn't get until the Genecaste rumors in the Interstellar Players series though.

>>50217334
That's the Society. They're the reason the Wars of Reaving went as far as they did. Look in the first Interstellar Players book for some more information.

>>50217334
Wars of Reaving. It's an actual thing, and they basically go ballistic on the Homeworlds.

>>50217334

The conspiracy is a real thing. I just like to imagine that's how it got started; a few more desperate scientists turned to direct meddling rather than the eugenics they're supposed to have used, then had to conceal it, then had to find a way to make sure they and their work stayed safe when other Clans got their hands on it, at which point the unconnected (heh heh) cells start working together to cover shit up and ensure the Warriors stay happy by sharing techniques and genes that work between Clans.

>>50217219
http://www.mediafire.com/file/l5sbyrybpk762am/The_Clans_-_Warriors_of_Kerensky.pdf

It's under the "Old Books" folder.

>>50217385
>>50217432
>Oh fack boys, the eggheads spliced us with fucking animimimals and shieeet. Our whole existence as we know it is a fooking lie.
>*proceeds to totally obliterate each other in the greatest REEE-ing of the age

>>50217436
Ah, thanks.

I had Wars of Reaving, but I haven't read it because I didn't know anything 'bout the Clans.

>>50217447
It's probably the best sourcebook in a long time. My favorite overall, followed only narrowly buy Tukayyid, and only because that was literally CS SHENANIGANS ALL OVER THE CLANS, THE SOURCEBOOK

>>50217484

Tukayyid is also literally "The author didn't read the books and is making a lot of this shit up, including units and Khans, THE SOURCEBOOK."

>>50217517
"I totally read the books with famous Cons like Needsa Showers and Ulcer Kerensky"

>>50215486
>>50215983
Think that victor deciding ONE BULLDOG NOT ENOUGH and going after the falcons and burrs in the early-mid 60s would have been enough?

>>50218051
Not really. His sister had already taken over when he got back in '61 and he was banging not only Teddy's little girl, but also the fucking Keeper of House Honor, essentially the position of National Waifu Idol and head of one of the Five Pillars.

So the Dracs would have wanted him dead no matter what and his sister would cut off at the knees any new initiative he tried to put together because she passive-aggressively wanted his dick and she would punish him for giving it to a filthy snake instead of her.

>>50218189
I mean, I was kinda implicitly assuming based on who I was quoting that this was without kat causing shit. I guess in this universe Victor started his
>I'm gonna kill all the clanners and fuck all the princesses
Plan with her in 49 or whatever and offered her a 50% share of Omi, but the poibt being she was outta the way.
Like, without that, would REMOVE CLAN alone be enough to weaken the AFFS&LCCM enough for the jihad to be canon-like without a real FCCW?
I'm thinking more or less yes

>>50218309
Also I am extremely drunk and somehow managed to combine tbe LCCC and LCAF into one mangled acronym, so ignore that

>>50218436

but where the fuck did that M come from

>>50218498
That's a good question and I really don't know the answer.

>>50218051

The Bears would have thrashed the IS like red-haired stepchildren and good luck beating the Falcons when Thurston is around to write novels.

Why should I use the Victor when there's the Highlander, which is basically Victor+1?

>>50218851

Because originally you'd pretty much never see one outside of ComStar.

The removal of the Unseen and the retconning in of SLDF stuff had a pretty major impact on who had what and how much of them they had.

>>50218851
Victor is faster and costs less BV.

What's the first design sporting dual gauss, both post SW and during Star league?

>>50219282
Fluff wise, probably the Galahad for Star League.

>>50219282
Nightstar...

>>50219360
Somehow it really pleases me how the marauder birthed all those cool designs
Doubly so if the Crab/King crab are related to it

What does define a "command 'mech"?
I guess it's not just the presence of a command console

>>50220113
Command mechs are mostly defined basically by fluff stating it, which nowadays can be crunched with the Command mech quirk.

Otherwise, along with the command consoles, equipment that defines a command mech are the collapsible command module like the Cyclops used, and C3 Masters.

>>50204976
Missing the Orion C, out of 3150. Clantech Upgrade of the ON2-M

>>50204976
>Perseus
Oh yeah, that thing.

Are there any good variants of it? How would you fix it?

>>50221273
Move the endo around (ST to legs would be a solid change), fix some of the weirdness of the configs.

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How do I play Mechcommander on windows 7+?

>>50221273

There are some pretty decent variants.

The problems with it come down to it being a non-FedCom design and the placement of the Endo Steel crits. The former isn't insurmountable but it is why we haven't got anything particularly great from it. The latter can be worked with but does mean you're probably going to base its loadout around a GR or A/C-10 of some kind, and being an Omni-Orion that's kind of par for the course any way.

>>50221468
Mount iso CD image via Alcohol 120%. Install from mounted drive and have fun. It's what I still do with my old copies.

>>50221273
>>Perseus
>Are there any good variants of it?
I SUMMON CAMPAIGNANON, KEEPER OF THE PERSEUS!

I was trying to make a von luckner with a gauss rifle and kind of ended up with this. Pretty cheap c-bills wise, but i suspect it wont be very effective...the inability to use DHS really gimps vees at tournament rules level and higher.

Von Luckner Heavy Tank VNL-K76N
IS TW non-box set
75 tons
BV: 1,514
Cost: 3,964,625 C-bills

Movement: 3/5 (Tracked)
Engine: 225

Internal: 40
Armor: 277 (Ferro-Fibrous)
Internal Armor
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Front 8 80
Right 8 63
Left 8 63
Rear 8 30
Turret 8 41

Weapon Loc Heat
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Gauss Rifle TU 1
PPC TU 10
SRM 4 TU 3
SRM 4 TU 3

Ammo Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
Gauss Ammo BD 8
Gauss Ammo BD 8
SRM 4 Ammo BD 25
SRM 4 Inferno Ammo BD 25

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>go on Deviantart
>look up your favorite faction
>post the most autistic pic you can find

Go

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>>50222422
I'm not posting THAT version of this image. I don't want to get banned

>>50222422
>DeviantArt
Not even once.
.
.
.
Wait... doesn't Shimmering Sword have an account there? That would be the glittering jewel among the sea of furry and pathetic crap.

>>50222681
Shimmering sword is there yes.

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What did he mean by this /btg/?

>>50222422
What

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>>50221468
>>50221532

Bear in mind, if you're running an x64 machine, it won't install right. Last I recall I had to make a 32-bit virtual machine, install MC on that, and then copy the folder over to the x64 machine to run it. But I wouldn't worry about that.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/hfakkogtxlkmvou/MechCommander.rar

Just unpack the file using WinRAR or equivalent, and then mount the .iso file with Alcohol 120%/Daemon Tools/etc. and run the MechCmdr.exe file. There's also a shortcut in the folder that you can drag to your desktop. Cheers.

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Is there a reason to play any faction but Clan Wolf in the invasion era?

It's like they're the only competent protagonists.

I mean seriously, until their win streak is broken in the Refusal War why pick any one else? Even afterwards Phelan holds on to a lot of that Wolf perfection and Vlad occasionally gets to practise it.

>>50222280
no commnets?

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>>50223034

>>50223274
>>50221532
Thanks, genuinely great game.

Brutally hard though.

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>>50223678

Hard is good. The strong shall stand, and the weak will fall by the wayside.

>>50223274
Is that Mechcommander, or Mechcommander "Gold"?

>>50221468
>>50223274
>>50223678
Okay tell me the truth. How many of you save scummed until you could capture that first Mad Cat that appears in the game?
I'm guilty.

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>>50223788
Anything for a Jaguar Mad Cat

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>>50223678
No prob. Hope it helps.
Somebody posted this recently. It's the sound clips from the game including the pilot voice overs.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pehas5xyoaocfaz/2016-11-12_MechCommanderGold-Pilots-with-Instructions.rar

>>50223788
Of course I did. Also had to manage it with at least both CERPPCs intact.

>>50223824
God, now I'm gonna add Rooster as ringtone for anybody I find annoying.

>>50223788

Base Mechcommander, without Desperate Measures. However, it is patched and you get the Timber Wolf from the opening cutscene at the start.

>>50223871

Fucking Rooster.

>>50223565

Depends on how close you follow the fluff for force selection, I guess.

The Wolves use mostly the Fenris/Ice Ferret, Gladiator/Gargoyle and Puma/Adder, with everything else a dim and distant place to those.

Meanwhile the Jags are swimming in Daishis, Warhawks, Mad Dogs and Stormcrows while the Falcons spam Warhawks, Summoners, and Mad Dogs and the Bears spam Executioners, Kingfishers, Mad Dogs, Vipers, and Fire Moths.

Wolves might have done OK in the fluff but their fluff 'Mech selection is pretty shit. And it gets worse after Tukayyid when they start throwing Pouncers and Linebackers everywhere, with the fucking Linebacker replacing the handful of listed Timber Wolves.

Of course if tabletop selection doesn't bother you, do whatever. I would note that while the Bears and Falcons don't do as well as the Wolves initially they never falter and spend a fair amount of time fucking the Wolves' shit up too.

>>50223605

It's a tank. VLs usually have LRMs, I can't remember what their armour is like off-hand but I don't think it's that good. Otherwise you've combined a GR with a PPC which is always a good start.

>>50223871
That is funny.
I always liked Lynx's voice. There's a few others but it's been a while.

>>50223678

Oh, I've also got Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries if you guys want me to upload that at some point.

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So I just finished reading "The Dying Time"

I don't think a BT book has ever left me feeling so empty before.

>>50224162
It's a bunch of bullshit to be fair

>>50223964
That's weird, isn't the timber wolf extremely common in the wolf touman?

>>50224162
I warned you, anon. I warned you.

>>50223788
I managed to cheese it next to the oil drums then used 2 large airstrikes.

>>50224217
RATs are a helluva drug.

>>50223788
Nope. Kept botching it. Also, "Aiming" for the head with the numberpad was just a barrage of misses when all my pilots are green.

But hot damn yeah, the game was hard without one. Most players act like "Pssht, whatever. Got my Madcat so I'm set for life" but usually my first heavy is the Catapult from a couple missions down.

And on the second mission where you have to capture a mobile HQ, it's pretty fun to trap the Hollander II on the bridge using artillery.

>>50224601
The hardest mission in the game for me was defending the farms. It was such a bump up in difficulty and required way tighter timing and planning than any of them before it.

>>50224217
>>50224407

More common for them than everyone else, but their phonebook listing in the Invasion era gives them less than three dozen.

The Refusal War would have done a number on those and then they lost the homeworld factory on top of that.

I know you can't turn around without tripping over a Timber Wolf in the novels but apparently they're as rare as hen's teeth. The only thing rarer is the Nova. Maybe the Kingfisher.

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>>50224748
>all but one old source mentions Timer Wolf as being common
>nah, they are rare :^)

>>50225258
i know mech design is based on rule of cool, but i cringe everytime i see a CT mounted cockpit.

>hey guys lets put the cockpit in the center of the mech, which is the easiest part to hit

>>50223824
Is that supposed to be a Shad? It looks adorable.

>>50224162
>>50224198
What's so bad about it?

>>50204780
I'm new from enjoying watching a lot of MWO, and decided to start making mechs on the Megamek builder. One question, though: does the tabletop have rules for trying to force damage on one particular aspect of your armor? Like how in the videogames I've seen you can twist your torso to the side to use an arm as a "shield?" Or is it just a matter of your enemy rolling on a table to see where they hit you?

>>50224217
"Extremely common" as in they have a handful more than anyone else.

>>50225258
Can you post screenshots or blurbs that depict the Mad Cat as being common?

>>50225370
The direction you're shot at from affects where you can be hit. Additionally, you can use aim with a targeting penalty to aim at general parts of a mech or equipment like a targetting computer to aim at specific parts of a mech with a heavy targeting penalty.

So from a defensive perspective, presenting your right side when your left side is chewed up, works pretty well.

From an offensive end you can do what defensive does the other way around, trying to get at a chewed up side, or if you have a really good pilot you can start specifically targeting high or low (torso or legs) or specific components with a TC (head)

>>50225338
It's a Shadow Hawk (Dougram from Fang of the Sun Dougram.) There was a pack of pics of the mechs from Dougram made in chibi style years ago. The pilot is Crinn Cashim.
The series is on You Tube split between two channels. It's so cool and yet weird to see the Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, tons o'Griffins (Soltics), Thunderbolts, Goliaths, some Scorpions and such in action where a solid single hit kills them off. Great show.
A guy from /m/ has a streaming channel where he plays some Dougram episodes along with a couple of other shows, and some old Japanese commercials for fun.

>>50225364
It's a shitty end for the GDL and it's not consistent with how the characters would have reacted to it.

>>50225380
why? I mean it's their totem mech, it's a fast and relatively well designed heavy, they should have plenty of manufacturing capacity dedicated to it rather than shitty designs.

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>>50221639
Sorry I was doing yard work all day. >>50221483 is pretty much on the nose. I've got lots of variants, but due to bad placement you're sort of forced to rely on a couple of big guns with a bevy of smaller ones.

>>50225555
Going by the TRO information, the Wolves had only one factory for it, and that was on Strana Mechty. Hell, the Wolves were looking to replace it with things like the Linebacker.

>>50225612
I always found it weird how little factories and stockpiled material the clans had, i mean, you have had hundreds of years to build up, sure you spent most of it fighting among yourselves like total retards but it was mostly low level raiding warfare.

>>50225755
They kinda had shit all for resources and population base to build from. Hell, the only reason their armies were as large as they were in the invasion WAS that they'd been building up and stockpiling shit for a long time

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>>50204780
Pass judgement on my completely noobish first-attempts at the megamek builder.

I only just discovered this franchise a couple of weeks ago and was really inspired by a dank as fuck Phoenix Hawk I saw in an MWO video.

>>50225555
Great design probably attracted a lot of trials of possession from the other 15 or so clans, diluting its prevalence. Even the Wolves can win 'em all. Except with Orion IICs.

>>50225847
>Composite
oh shit nigger what are you doing

>>50225886
Had to make the crit spots work somehow. Why? Is composite particularly bad?

>>50225847
I should point out that it also has a head ejection unit. That is part of what makes it so expensive.

>>50225932
yes! it halves your structure points, making your mech really frail

>>50225380
>>50225411

It's "common" as in everyone has some.

It's not "common" as in there's that many of them.

>>50225555

Fluff, anon. It was developed at the same time as the Gargoyle, but the Wolves like the Gargoyle a lot more (as in at least three times more by the numbers) because reasons. Also the Gargoyle's speed and firepower is fine but the Timber Wolf's combination isn't, because other reasons. Hence the rush to replace it with the faster but less powerful Linebacker, because more reasons.

It's not the only example of derp I could point to on that front.

>>50225755

The Pentagon Civil War consumed virtually all of the SLDF-in-exile's military gear. There were stockpiles of stuff, the Wolves cracked theirs open to make the Dragoons (~15 Clusters or so) and did so again after the Refusal War but there can't have been much more than 3-5 Clusters left going by their painfully slow rebuilding. Others whip stuff out of their asses like the Falcons, who exploded in size after the Refusal War in a manner not seen again until the FedSuns after the FCCW.

The Homeworlds are resource-poor and the Clans don't have many factories. It adds up well enough for me.

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>>50225932
Composite structure takes double damage from attacks, so yes. Additionally, small cockpits apply a negative modifier to piloting skill rolls when you take damage and the like. If you take a look at pic related, here's something similar to what you've made, but with an XLFE. More expensive engine wise, but less complex to make.

>>50225992
>>50226072
Oh shit.

>>50226072
Thanks mate. I appreciate that. That's actually more of what I wanted than what I made.

>>50226048
Meant to be what I responded to for the first "oh shit," on >>50226098.

>>50225411
TRO 3050 Upgrade

>Contact with Inner Sphere tactics prompted the development of Confguration S. Geared for urban combat and dealing with conventional infantry, this version is becoming a common sight in the Clan Occupation Zone

Era Report 3052, Pg 61, about Clan Nova Cat 4th Nova Cat Guards:
>The Fourth favored hard-hitting medium, heavy and assault ’Mechs, esteeming firepower over speed. The Timber Wolf was the most common design in their Cluster, though Ebon Jaguar, Mad Dog, Summoner, and Dire Wolf OmniMechs could be found in each Trinary

in the context of the TRO3050 line
>The Mad Cat is the favorite mech of the Wolf Clan. It can claim a large share of the credit for the Wolves great successes, and there is no apparent explanation why it only appears in moderate numbers with the other clans.

So,"Most Common" and assuming a 45 mech cluster, gives us somewhere between Six and Thirty Three Timber Wolves in one Clan Nova Cat cluster alone. More likely around 23, if the cluster is at 50% Timber Wolves. If we then presume it's unlikely that every Timber Wolf in Clan Nova Cat is concentrated in one cluster, then we can conclude fairly reasonably that the mechs listed in use in the Wolf Phonebook, aren't all the mechs they possess.

This says to me the Wolves are likely fielding at least a Cluster's worth of Timber Wolves, if not more (though not all in the same cluster) if it's more common in Clan Wolf,probably more if a clan they had little contact with like Clan Nova Cat of all people are fielding that many of them.

Now, the RATs aren't definitive, and they certainly aren't authoritative, but they also don't mean NOTHING either. They have to generate a force that looks reasonably plausible as a faction appropriate force. Adding up the chance of getting a timber wolf on all available RATs puts it in the 50-55% likelihood up until the wars of reaving, at which point it continues a gentle downslope to 23% in FM3145.

>>50226233
>>50225411

Now, that IS just "Percentage of Wolf Heavy Mechs" not "percentage of all Wolf mechs"

But I'd like to turn the tables. this "There weren't that many Timber Wolves" meme seems to stem only from the Wolf Clan Sourcebook, and it's dearth of Timber Wolves. As I alluded to above, that's just the mechs in use at the moment, AND that's a somewhat suspect source to begin with. It omits an entire active Wolf bloodname. (Demos. They're mentioned in the Blood of Kerensky novels, and they show up in the Dark Age as well, so they didn't get wiped out (and wouldn't we hear about something that major?) between BoK and WCSB

Does this "Timber Wolves were Rare" meme have any basis besides that?

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>>50225338
>Is that supposed to be a Shad? It looks adorable.

Yep. >>50225506 delivers the goods.

>>50226289

The SB info is still good. The Cats in the post above yours were probably stacking all their captured Timber Wolves in one place.

It *seems* more common than that because it shows up in a lot of art and novels, but then if you go by those there are an incredible shitload of Atlases and Dire Wolves, but we know one of those isn't terribly common and I doubt the other is really as common a sight IC as it is in the novels.

Same thing happens with the Bugs and Vedettes, except in reverse. Going by the TR entries those should be everywhere, but they show up only rarely.

>>50226060
>resource poor

Why not just colonize more worlds or mine uninhabited asteroids/planets/whatever? They have a massive area of uncontested space that they can expand in.

>>50226447
The Kerensky Cluster is notably short on habitable worlds. Even the original Pentagon worlds are death worlds by 40k standards.

>>50226447

Because FASAnomics.

Seriously, don't think about it too hard. The setting falls apart after about 30 seconds, we all politely ignore that fact.

>>50225612
>>50225847
What program do you use for these pics?

>>50226687
>>50226072

>>50226511
Not even FASAnomics; resource-poor planets is a tried and true scifi trope for why interstellar civilizations start wars of conquest.

Redpill me on Clan Stone Lion

>>50226687
I use Solaris Skunkwerks and its export to text feature, then just paste the text into Paint using the Lucida Console 10 point font. The other anon is using MegaMekLab's export function.

>>50226855
They have a dank name.

>>50226447
Well, first of all, in BT, asteroid mining is really a secondary source of minerals; most mining comes from settled planets. As >>50226507
points, even shitty, inhospitable worlds that barely support human life are at a premium in the Kerensky Cluster. The early Clansmen probably took a good look at their limited industrial capacity and infrastructure (that was minuscule compared to the Inner Sphere at the time, and always would be inferior), and realized they would be better off concentrating their industry on the few planets worth a meager fuck.

Plus, keeping your miners and factory workers near your warriors means you can easily keep on an eye on them and swiftly crush any revolts.

>>50226855
Please translate your post to English

So, is there a good primer on how to use Aeorspace fighters in ground maps? It's just a bit of an overload trying to learn a whole new bit of rules.

Alright /btg/ what are your favorite David vs Goliath moments? Mine would have to be forcing a longbow to cook off its own ammo with a spider.

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>>50226923
>Please translate your post to English

It's a reference to the movie The Matrix. He wants you to give him a full explanation on Clan Stone Lion.

>MORPHEUS: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill... the story ends and you wake up in your bed believing whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill... you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-rKWkVecJ4

>>50226855
What is their story? Are they still around?

>>50226982
>1 hex thrust equals 7 hexes on the ground
>+2 modifier for air to ground attack
>You can only attack at an altitude of 5 or less
>You can only strafe at an altitude of 3 or less
>You must make a piloting roll when hit and lose 1d6 altitude if hit (that's 33% instant crash if you flub your roll so bring good pilots)
>You must fly over your target to hit them
>Enemy target numbers rely on how close they are to any point in your flight path that round
>That means dead zero range for assholes you fly over
>When taking altitude into account, each level counts as +2 hex range

There you go, easy peasy.

>>50226982
>how to use Aeorspace fighters in ground maps?

Don't. Use them on low-altitude maps instead. Life becomes significantly easier and as long as you have the space to set out another set of maps, nothing is lost.

>>50226855
They're the homeworld remnants of Clan Horsefucker who only exist to give the Star Adders an extra vote in their block on the Clan Council.

>>50227119

Well, I was more using this in MegaMek, as I was trying to figure out how to use them in conjunction with the ground forces.

>>50227116

Thanks.

>>50227033
>Alright /btg/ what are your favorite David vs Goliath moments?

Quasi-recently? Solo-killing Bryn (Randall's kid) out of a Grinder at GenCon a few years ago. He was driving a -N11M Grand Titan while I was driving a -3T Clint.

Just this last Saturday I had a Pouncer B kill a Nova Cat A, a Nova S, and a Ryoken A in duels under zell rules.

Oh, and killing the Kell Hounds with a single UrbanMech. Also at GenCon.

>>50226433
You can make a case either way, for rare Timber Wolves and for not-so-rare Timber Wolves.The fact of the matter is, the people writing the setting have never been explicit about it, and they've only grown less specific as time goes on.

>>50227200
>Oh, and killing the Kell Hounds with a single UrbanMech. Also at GenCon.
That's hardly a David vs Goliath moment, David didn't have a nuclear sling-stone.

>>50227245

I feel the Kell Hounds players rather disagreed when they lost to a force they outnumbered 40-1. But your point is valid.

>>50226855
Pretty much what >>50227156 said. They're Hell's Horses 2: Homeworlds Boogaloo. They're not really interesting except as a new Clan.

>>50227110
As of what year? The last material we have on the Homeworlds is circa 3090, so we have no idea what those Clans are doing in the DA. Presumably not affected by the HPG destruction though.

>>50227033
Destroying an entire frontline cluster of of Jade Falcon mechs using a Kitefin G and a Davy Crockett was pretty fun. As was actually playing out one of the sequences in the Knight's fluff, where it tanked a fully TSMed Berserker's swing and smashed the cockpit to bits.

>>50227200
>Quasi-recently? Solo-killing Bryn (Randall's kid) out of a Grinder at GenCon a few years ago. He was driving a -N11M Grand Titan while I was driving a -3T Clint.
Can you expand on this?

>Oh, and killing the Kell Hounds with a single UrbanMech. Also at GenCon.
I'm guessing this wasn't made canon.

>>50227284
>I'm guessing this wasn't made canon.

It sort of is. Canonically, the WOB deployed a nuclear-capable Level II and nuked the 5 or 6 different Kell Hounds formations in battle. That works out to about 1 single Mech nuking the Hounds each time it happened. The fluff doesn't go into whether it was Urbanmechs or not, but that gencon actually was when the nuclear Urbanmech was canonized, and the nuclear Urbie did make its first appearance during that campaign in the fluff

I'd call it semi-canon, but what's more important is that it did actually happen IRL.

>>50227033
Knocked a leopard out of the sky with a Thrush once. It was attempting to land and I forced a piloting roll. The real amazing thing was surviving the return aft fire in the Thrush.

>>50227337
Okay this is impressive. How'd you do it?

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>>50227530
Just tagged it in the ass with two of my medium lasers and the Leopard pilot fucked his control roll at an altitude of 4. Then rolled a full 6 for lost altitude. Basically I tagged the tail and the whole thing buried nose first in the dirt.

There's far more impressive stuff in a similar vein like the guy that shot down an Overlord with nothing but a single rifleman at a Gencon a few years back. Though I think it was easier to wreck it since spheroids have a +2 or +3 to control rolls in atmo. I also don't think that's legal anymore due to changes in how damage is rounded for infantry.

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>>50227616
Wait, Rifleman like pic related or rifleman like a single infantryman? Still impressive.

>>50227647

Single infantryman, from a rifle platoon even. That was NEA actually. It's in the archive. I'll go poke for the story.

>>50227616
I had a Fortress I was being a dumbass and flying around with get tagged by an AI Crab in Megamek. It landed on top of the Crab when it failed the control roll, and the Crab pilot spent the rest of the game pinned under it.

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>>50227679
>>50227647

Here's the story in question. It's the one that inspired the FD pic of the redneck shooting down the overlord.

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>>50227647
Pic related.

>>50211903
3 is great
4 is alright
4: Mercs is my favorite due to all the variety and lancemates.

Also 4 aged a lot better with the controls, I had to fight the controls a lot in 3 with my current setup.

...there isn't going to be a new Mechwarrior ever, is there?

>>50227927
>there isn't going to be a new mechwarrior ever, is there?
I've noticed that when it comes to games, the Online is always the last version you ever get, for good or ill. KotOR is a good example. While we're getting a new Battletech, I doubt if we'll see another Mechwarrior in the vein that you're referring to.

>>50227583
The Gressman books were better

>>50227736
I'm somewhat convinced that if NEA and his circle of players had been running the WoB war effort, we'd be playing in the Blake Age.

>>50204780
Has anyone ever used the various mechbuilding stuff here to make mechs from other franchises?

>>50227583
>angryyoungblackJag.jpeg
It's like they're trying to make us laugh.

>>50228323
Does seem like he needs more fiber in his diet.

>>50227284
>Can you expand on this?

Apologies. Dinner and family ST:TOS viewing happened.

Essentially, we got deployed near each other and most of the way across the map from anything that mattered. He started off toward the section of the map where he'd be relevant, and I slipped behind him. I took backshots and started wearing down armor, but each time he won initiative (grinders use circular init) I'd jump somewhere where it'd be a PITA to shoot at me, and each time I won initiative, I was able to keep moving behind him. He'd alternate between trying to move to where he was relevant (when I'd shoot), and turning to engage me (when I'd hide, or at least stay out of range of everything but the ERPPC and LGR). I ended up with 2 shells left in the Clint's ammo bin by the time I burned my way into his rear left torso, blew up his SRM ammo bin. He took the pilot hits, went unconscious, and I ran up from 9 hexes away and punted his head off.

>>50228256

I'm telling you, we could have done it. I would also have been OK with a giant canon game that *actually decided canon* taking place on Terra played between all of Toronto and all of Cincy. A 6-day, 3-stage game split between Origins and GenCon: first with WarShips to achieve orbit (Day 1&2), then with the orbital insertion battle (Day 3), then a climactic ground fight with orbital or air support based on Days 1-3 (Days 4-6). Winner decides canon.

I don't even care how it would turn out. It would have been GLORIOUS. Of course, without Cincy or Toronto there to actually run the game, there wouldn't be enough demo agents to actually make it work.

>>50228416
>>I'm telling you, we could have done it.

If only WizKids hadn't already written the end of the Jihad...

>>50228496

Piffle. Mere details. If they can pull the CapCon back from their state after the 4th Succession War and make them the pre-eminent Successor State in the span of a generation, they can work around such pesky tidbits.

>>50228496
>>50228529

I think the Word fucking off with an army bigger than the Fedsuns had in 3130 was their way of acknowledging how good the blakeside con events went back in the Jihad years. DA novels made them seem like it was just Comstar being Comstar always riddled with Blakists rather than any major Blakist force surviving.

>>50204780
What are your favorite four mechs, /btg/? How well a lance would they make, without gaming your favorite choices to fit the lance criteria?

Personally,
>Shadow Hawk, Phoenix Hawk, Centurion, and Marauder
Probably not the best lance, but it wouldn't be the worst.

>>50228842
I dunno if I could pick just four; I like a lot of 'Mechs. I could make some lances out of the ones I like though.

>Cyclops, Catapult, JagerMech, Blackjack
>Wasp, Locust, Sling, Firefly
>Vindicator, Dervish, Thunderbolt, Blackjack

>>50228842
>What are your favorite four mechs, /btg/?
King Crab, Great Turtle, Mackie, Hunchback

The lance is heavy as fuuuuuuuck and deploys a lot of scary guns. It's a fine assault lance.

If you don't have hand actuators, is it better to have flippy arms, or lower arms?

>>50229059
related question - what's your preferred method for keeping BA off assault mechs? pulse lasers, flamers, B-pods...?

>>50229059
For regular play, flippy arms trump lower arm actuators if you're going without hands. Trade a loss of utility with a gain in a different utility.

>>50229080
Plasma Rifles.

>>50229080
Artillery.

>>50229144
>>50229187
Sorry, i should have been more specific - what are weapons you can fit into a couple of tons on a mech that are good for keeping BA away or getting them off once they attack?

>>50229080
>what's your preferred method for keeping BA off assault mechs?

Tell the BA that the assault Mechs are going to be flying somewhere soon. BA hates flying; won't get anywhere near them.

>>50229216
>what are weapons you can fit into a couple of tons on a mech that are good for keeping BA away or getting them off once they attack?

A couple of tons? What you're looking for doesn't exist.

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>>50229218

>>50229230
He listed three that will fit into a ton...

>>50228842
>Commando, Raven, Phoenix Hawk, Crab
It's be a pretty light lance.

>>50229080

I've said it before and I'll say it again, swarming is a newbie move. Leg attacks are much better, they go off in the same turn and have a chance of critting, whereas you have to wait a turn and hope the target doesn't use jump jets or thrash you off.

Carrying a Plasma Rifle or Cannon can be a good choice these days though.

>>50229251
Well then killing them before they can leg attack.

Let me put it this way: my mech has two tons left to fill and I want something that can make BA go bye bye for when I run into elementals.

>>50229216
TAG, and put the AIV somewhere else.

>>50229248
And all 3 are shit. AoE is the only good way to deal with them.

>>50229218
>>50229241


Is this supposed to be a reference to something?

>>50229285
>TAG, and put the AIV somewhere else.

stop being a cheeky bugger

>>50229241
>your mech can fly?
>no
>jump good

>>50229285
>And all 3 are shit. AoE is the only good way to deal with them.

Technically Mechs with hand actuators can carry a single 1-ton thermobaric bomb, and use the TacOps rules to throw it at the battle armor. *That* would work.

>>50229310

I pity you, foo'.

>>50229273
Have you tried a flamer? Or an infantry grenade launcher?

>>50229273
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=14235.0

>>50229273
>>50229354
Vehicle grenade launcher, sorry.

>>50229354
>Have you tried a flamer?
What I'm trying to find out, which is apparently more of a task than I thought, is what is the best tool for the job. Flamer, b-pod, small pulse laser, machine guns, iOS inferno SRMs, etc.

>>50229390
I believe heat fucks BA up really well, unless the BA is a Salamander. So a flamer in each leg could work.

>>50229371
VGLs, iirc, only function as an A-pod, not a B-pod

>>50229351
>Technically Mechs with hand actuators can carry a single 1-ton thermobaric bomb, and use the TacOps rules to throw it at the battle armor. *That* would work.
>carry a single 1-ton thermobaric bomb, and use the TacOps rules to throw it

Guys, new game idea: Thermobaric Dodgeball!

>>50229351
>carry a single 1-ton thermobaric bomb, and use the TacOps rules to throw it

BEST POSSIBLE ANSWER

>>50229390
Infernos are tops because of their range 3/6/9, because of their autokill number (free dead trooper every three missiles for BA no matter how armored they are if they don't have fire-resistant armor and lot more for regular infantry) and because of how you can also fuck up V's and any TSM monsters that bother you.

Flamers are good for starting fires and taking on shit conventional infantry but it's under the range you want to be dealing with well-equipped BA.

Machine guns similarly are good for conventional infantry and as fun zero heat weapons.

>>50229351
>Technically Mechs with hand actuators can carry a single 1-ton thermobaric bomb, and use the TacOps rules to throw it at the battle armor

This kind of insane shit is why I'm glad we keep you around. That's amazing.

Kerensky you guys make me glad tje bears are fireproofing their ba

>>50229575
Everything burns, it's just a matter of how much heat you apply. And Thermobarics apply a lot of heat.

If I have a full head ejection system, do I need a Mechwarrior Aquatic Survival System? working on a custom hatchetman for my campaign

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7O-g87b-I

Alright. Hunchback family tree.

Currently working on:
>Stalker
>Urbanmech

Needs a hard look:
>Woodsman. My wrists fear this thing. Cannot decide whether to put all of the Woodsman variants or say fuck it and split it by the three major familes (Gargoyle, Naga, and Angry Meow/Wood-dog/kek)

May do:
>Hetzer
>Awesome
>Guillotine

>>50229080
Booby Trap. Bring a couple of lights with their guns replaced by engine/boobytrap/MG ammo

it is a common tactic among the Azami

>>50229620
No, the full head ejection system takes your pilot right to the surface, except in the case of an armor breach and/or a life support crit, then you're SOL. MASS allows the pilot to survive a breach to the cockpit section by protecting the cockpit and life support criticals.

>>50229575
Interstellar Ops says Thermobarics ignore fireproofing armor.

For those who don't want to dig around, a small FAE only has a radius of 2 but still has a 2D6+distance instant kill roll for any infantry or BA unit. That's 27% survival at ground zero for conventional IF they can tank the 20 point hit (don't think they can outside hardened buildings). Battle armor gets 58% but they're similarly fucked by the AOE damage.

So, that means at a distance of 3 where no actual damage hits the troopers, you still got a 27% chance to autowipe conventionals and a not-terrible 8% to autowipe BA.

Not bad. Toss scatter sucks but not like conventional artillery is any better without god gunners or TAG.

>>50228842
>thunderbolt, mackie, archer, bandersnatch
looks like a pretty solid heavy fire-support lance

>>50228842
>>50228879
>>50228888
>>50229250
>>50230196
I should make a mercenary company off of these.

Which is more useful for city fighting, ECM or active probes?

>>50229351
Dammit, now I want a mech with a couple thermobaric potato mashers clipped on to it's CT.

>>50230576
It depends on what's in the city. APs are great for detecting those 9 hexes worth of intersection stuffed to the gills with infantry, as well as the Hidden Alley of Urbie, and not so great at much else. ECM on the other hand shuts down things like ArtIV and C3. Admittedly, I prefer to put both on there, but having experienced an Intersection of Death, Rape, Terror and Rape, I like not repeating the experience.

>>50230608
That sounds hilarious. Now I'm picturing something like those dank-ass missiles that look like potato mashers what was used by that Rick Dom in the Neo Zeon scene from Gundam Unicorn.

>>50229351

I want this in MegaMek. So much.

Cause your a surat bitch who likes yo cheese? Next your gonna start dressing like Scotty

>>50224663
Definitely
...but it pretty much exists to showcase the usefulness of the Minelayer truck. I'd be boned if I wasn't forced to replay it eight-hundred times, but when you know exactly where the baddies are going to come from, plopping down some thick mine coverage works wonders.

>>50230927

Mine coverage takes the mission from hair-pullingly difficult to EZ mode. Line the entry routes, laugh at the oncoming cripples, and then take out the final force. I just wish vehicles weren't one-use things. I almost never used them because it felt like wasted RP.

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>>50230328
>/tg/ the lunch box! /tg/ the breakfast cereal! /tg/ the mercenary company! (the kids are gonna love this one)

>>50229731
Has something like this, but for the Marauder, been made?

>>50228842
>Awesome, Hound, Hunchback, Vindicator

Pretty damn solid if you ask me

>>50204780
Redpill me on the Free Worlds League. I'm new, and I've only really heard memes about how they're Space America.

How terrible of a person would i be for bringing a Kraken with 8 tons of Thunder LRMS?

>>50231339
>/tg/'s favorite state
>redpill

You're in the wrong place friend.

>>50231359
As terrible as I would be for bringing a full LAM, Hover and Spider 8X force that laughs at your puny minefields. I mean, I could just bring artillery but where's the fun in that?

>>50231339

It's a democratic coalition of various provinces (see: states) that has undergone a major civil war, who then became an industrial powerhouse partially due to it being reasonably separated from several massive wars, all while courting religious nuts. There's a reason it picked up the moniker "Space America". All that aside, it's a major faction that's pretty much ignored compared to other major houses in terms of lore, combined with having a bunch of interesting and rather feisty neighbors, which makes it a great playground for player-made campaigns. Not a bad faction per se, just rather underutilized compared to others.

Speaking of the FWL, I was just reading Pandora's Gambit and that's where the original origin of Lopez being destroyed is. I guess that's why CGL left it until Final Reckoning.

"Oh shit, this world's supposed to be dead and we forgot to kill it!"

Also Randall wrote that. It's his fault the planet of Secret Star League Bases, Ammunition and Space Dragons went bye bye.

>>50230614
Do AP's let me see enemy mechs moving around on the other side of a building?

>>50231795

Yes.

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>>50231359
>Kraken

I picked up the old Jade Falcon Sourcebook last night at Half Price Books. Other than variants that kinda make sense, is there a reason to have the Kraken (100 tons with five Ultra AC/2's in each arm) other than "because we can"?

>>50230614
>Admittedly, I prefer to put both on there, but having experienced an Intersection of Death, Rape, Terror and Rape, I like not repeating the experience.

Well, if going maximum rules, both would be important because enemy ECM can fuck over your AP attempting detection, but your own ECCM could counter it.

>>50232811

The Goshawk/Vapour Eagle, Viper/Black Python and Kraken/Bane were both designed to work under the special Solaris VII duelling rules which heavily favour low-heat, rapid-fire weapons.

They reload fast so you can spam them and do a ton of damage. It's why a number of the other old Solaris designs really pack them on.

>>50228257
I've seen some Mobile suits

>>50232811
It has some value against things like vehicles and aircraft, since lots of little hits are the bane of such things, but it would do that job better with LBX, especially against aircraft.

It also can be handy for scenario design, if you want to send someone against something big and tough but not too dangerous, especially among Clan assaults.

>>50232815
I don't build a Level II without at least 3 ECM units, so... yeah. EWAR is your friend. Angel makes the world go round.

Okay I have a question. Have you done anything out of the ordinary through the various Mechwarrior games for PC?
The only story I can tell is there is a mission in MW3 where a Clan dropship takes off part way through, and I managed to create a load-out on one of my mechs that barely let me be able to destroy the damn thing in a few volleys before it escaped into the atmosphere.
I also saw a video of someone doing a speed run of MW3 that was pretty fun as well.

>>50232811
>Other than variants that kinda make sense, is there a reason to have the Kraken (100 tons with five Ultra AC/2's in each arm) other than "because we can"?

Fishing for head crits is hilarious. Other than that, the loadout will make armour melt under solaris rules.

>>50231359
They kind of had a clone president for a while
and they funded Jihadists who promptly fucked everyone up real good.

>>50233068
>They kind of had a clone president for a while
>and they funded Jihadists who promptly fucked everyone up real good.
I have no idea what relevance this has with Krakens using Thunder LRMs, but now I want to know.

>>50233021
Beating the Solaris Championship with a locust comes to mind

>>50233082
He obviously meant to reply to the FWL guy.

I would have mentioned them having the Terminator for their Captain General back in the day though.

>>50231359
>Thunder LRMs
This is small time. How about SG LRMs?

>>50233082
Wrong post, my bad. Was responding to >>50231339

>>50233096

I'm like 99% sure those are IS only, and Clan launchers are incompatible with IS munitions.

I think the Clans only have standard, Artemis, Swarm, and Thunder ammo but using the latter two is SHAMEFUR DISPRAY stuff.

>>50233117
The ammunition limits are a suggestion only at TL play. There's nothing that says you can't load up a Kraken Standard with Flechette rounds and murder an entire city's worth of infantry.

>>50233128
Ultra's don't get alternate munitions, friend.

>>50233153
Sorry, I meant the Kraken 3.

>>50233021
I got this:
Played Mechwarrior 1 when I was a kid, and again recently. Having to go through the story I didn't have much time left to get enough of a force to deal with the last battle. (Fighting an enemy Warhammer and 3 Battlemasters with my Marauder and 3 Battlemasters.)
My pilots with me were pretty green, but we finished the first of the final two-part mission, and then I had to kill two of the enemy mechs, sneak around avoiding the last two and ram the enemy base repeatedly to win. My lance-mates were pretty much tofu by this point. Rough battle, but satisfying.

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>>50228257
>Has anyone ever used the various mechbuilding stuff here to make mechs from other franchises?

Do you mean "use Battletech's mech-building roolz to make robots for other games", or "borrow designs from other media and make Battletech mechs out of them"?

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>>50228257
I always wondered if you could make some form of non-transforming Transformers using the mech building set up.
Would something like the old 1st Generation autobot cars in robot form be about protomech size?
Who would be your favorite candidate for an homage clone to the series?
.
Also old mech series like Vifam, Dancouga and Dragonar. I wonder if they translate well minus any transformation abilities of the vehicles (Dancouga mostly for that.)

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>>50233644
>Also old mech series like Vifam, Dancouga and Dragonar.

Somewhere I have a tech readout for the Deins around here, too.

>>50233644
We got transformers in one of the April fools PDFs.

>>50233644
Bluestreak is best streak. Also Prowl and Smokescreen. They made some good mecha art for them back in the day before it became generic pastel garbage.
What kind of protomech weapons would work for them?

>>50233644
Jazz, Wheeljack, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker would make an excellent medium mech. Trailbreaker and Ironhide would be excellent heavy mechs. Although I don't think a camper and a van would weigh sixty and more tons.

>>50233682
Too bad the G1 clones they added weren't great aside from Soundwave, the best of all possible Decepticons that aren't named Shockwave.

>>50233733
We're about at that time. New thread.

>>50233729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI1Naz9THmo

>>50231359
Not as terrible as bringing 8 tons of T-Aug.

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>>50233676
>tech readout for the Deins

Never scanned this one before for some reason.

>>50233743
>still on like page 4
>won't be archived for literally hours

Stop clogging /tg/ with new threads when the current one is fine.

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I used the Shiro for the first time last night
Hardened armor is a hell of a drug

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>>50234311

It is indeed anon...it is indeed.

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>MFW reading the Zellbrigen rules
It may as well be summed up as"let's stand in front of each other and who Alpha Strikes the other better wins"

I hope the other Clan castes don't have to deal with similar silly rules

>>50235784
>I hope the other Clan castes don't have to deal with similar silly rules
you mean like... scientists and laborers?