Eclipse Phase General /epg/

Post more pleasure pods and/or sluts.

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>>50200679
Probably should have added R34 to that list. We need more of it.

While gatecrashing a nondescript rock orbiting a boring brown dwarf, you discover a diamondoid structure about the size of phobos orbiting a gas giant in the same system. Analysis of micrometeorite impacts dates it to around 1.5 billion years ago, and interaction with certain access ports reveals a sophisticated nanorod computation system. It shows no evidence of any activity and you have so far had no success in interfacing with it meaningfully.

What do you do?

What exoplanet generation tools do people use?

>>50203084
http://www.orionsarm.com/page/310
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/worldbuilding.php

>>50203084
http://sol.trisen.com/downloads/wg.pdf

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So this exists

>>50201133
throw my saucer at it to get a better look.

>>50201133
Report this to the organizations on the other side, make a backup of everyone I give a shit about on this mission.

Start poking it with a very long and thin stick.

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>>50203210

So is it true Stellar Intelligence is comprised of infomorphs? It says they're a virtual collective in the core book.

How do you guys use the Factors in your games?

>>50204841
I don't really. I think their inclusion is kind of pointless and much prefer to express the "alienness" with weird things through morphological freedom like exhumans and scum.

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>>50203210
You are looking for Blue Planet

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>>50200810
I doubt there are enough drawfriends around that even know about EP for that to happen...

>>50205682
You need Japanese for that. Most other people are not crazy enough to do EP justice.

>>50204841
Haven't yet, and I don't think I will be anytime soon - if I was to include them, it'd likely be as something that two different factions are squabbling over (some captured Factor, or some hybrid-tech stuff, or what-have-you) that looks likely to escalate into "send in the player characters" territory in order to sort stuff out. It still probably wouldn't feature Factor stuff too heavily, just acting as the catalyst to set other things in motion.

If the players started to show a serious interest in the Factors-as-mcguffin, then it could naturally expand into being more directly involved with them - if they weigh in on one side or the other in that plot seed, then it'd serve as a good way in for them if that's the way they wanted to go. If nobody in the group expresses much of an interest in them, it can just stay as the mcguffin.

>>50206022
Have you thought about *not* having a macguffin?

>>50206196
At the beginning of campaigns, they're pretty useful - Eclipse Phase as a setting is presented as something of a status quo, and having some particular thing occur to threaten it gives a bit of structure to the opening of the campaign. Usually, in my experience, player character decisions and actions become the thing that drives the plot forwards, but games - again, this is just my experience - seem to run more smoothly when there is an initial thing that spurs them into that first bit of action.

It might just be my group, of course, but asking:
>What do you want to do?
Doesn't get good answers, compared to asking:
>What do you want to do about this?

What happens when a group of Gatecrashers find a habitable world with no spooky downsides?

>>50206306
That's not what a macguffin is

>>50206475
Fair enough, please forgive my misuse of the word then. Out of curiousity, is there a term for a plot object that spurs non-player characters (or groups of them) into action and conflict, such that the players could get involved?

>>50206834
Macguffin is specifically a poorly explained plot object. If you have an item with good stakes, powers and consequences eg "this is a Factor who was captured. If we let him phone home he will blow up Mercury" is much less of a macguffin than "Guys bad dudes have totally stolen the Tessaract! With that much power they could do... um... bad stuff!"

>>50206834
Well in general it's a plot device. MacGuffins are plot devices characterized by being inactive objects that everyone is trying to acquire and replacing it with a different object wouldn't matter.

Without knowing more about how you intend to use this Factor, I don't think I can give a more specific term.

>>50206899
I'll add that the use of MacGuffins isn't necessarily bad, particularly in side plots. For instance, if you are stealing a valuable object to gain someone's trust, it may not much matter whether it's a set of data on a hupercorp's planned business strategy or a priceless pre-fall artifact. And that's okay. The players only have so much attention to spare anyway. But when you try to build a whole campaign around something like that though it tends to not be very engaging.

>>50206899
The vague thing I was trying to get at was more that the Factor itself wouldn't be the thing of interest, but rather the thing that causes other groups to start moving against one another - if the players began to show interest in the actual Factor stuff itself, then it'd get fleshed out to become more of a thing, but otherwise the thing that the players would be interacting with are the two groups vying for control over (or access to) the not!mcguffin.

So in that regards, it feels a bit like a mcguffin - the Factor-stuff moves various NPC groups into conflicts, the players move in to stop it. The Factor-stuff could equally be any of the other mysterious and weird shit in Eclipse Phase that people would come to blows other, it's only Factor-stuff because it's a way of testing the waters as to whether or not it's the sort of stuff that my players would be interested in. If they express an interest in the source of the conflict, that can get fleshed out more, if they're only interested in resolving the conflict, then it can remain a bit more nebulous.

>>50206992
You mean it's a puppetmaster?

>>50206321
It turns into a battleground as rival factions compete over who gets to settle it.

>>50209986
Factors are stupid as fuck. If they're more advanced than transhumanity then they should be outfitting themselves into kickass morphs, not these retarded colonial bodies.

They must be the Amish of space.

>>50210814

Well, tech kills in EP. Factors say no Gates, no AI.

>>50211135
Amish say no computers, no cars.

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>>50200679

>>50211190
Amish buy cars and then have a chauffeur drive them around. Therefore, AI would totally be okay. Also, they have phones, but they have to make it inconvenient to use them. They probably allow them nominally for emergency usage, but some take business calls.

t. someone who goes to Lancaster all the time to visit family

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>>50210814
>kickass morphs
They don't seem to use morphs like thanshumanity. So not only are AI:s, gates, infomorphs and so on off the table, but they likely do even have biomorphs like transhumanity.

It's more like transhumanity are the unproductive and self-destructive anarkiddies of space.

>>50212847
So the Factors are ass-backwards Luddites, in other words.

>>50210814
>Factor morphs are so shitty
>They only usually dramatically outperform transhuman morphs in most ways

reminder that factors are nothing more than a race of opportunistic scavengers who stole all their ships and tech and are here to sell humanity some beads before disappearing into the void

>>50216109
What could transhumanity have that the factors would want?

>>50216246

They want to see if we have anything cool we do. They seem to like some of our art.

>>50216246
I'm sure releasing the TITANS into the universe may raise a few eyebrows.

How strange do you like your Hazers morphs? I like them almost elfin in appearance.

So say if I was in a game with someone who's character was sleeved into a neo-octopus and they wanted to fuck my character who is sleeved into an exalt.
How the hell does this work?

>>50218106
Tentacle hentai.

/epg/ how does this sound for a settup for a story?

Going with the default assumption that they are all Firewall Agents.

Theyare being deployed to a Jovian habitat to search for a TITAN originating decryption program that Firewall believes the Jovian security council is close to reconstructing from some artifact.

Their full mission is to find the artifact and destroy it, while transmitting to Firewall the research documents relating to the project.

They are being injected to the habitat under the pretence of being there to do upgrades and maintenance on a Firewall front business in the form of a fast food franchise on Hyoden (a more permissive Jovian hab that will actually permit you to come in if you are not in a natural body). The location has a nanofaber machine for manufacturing mission equiptment and a quantum bridge for exfiltrating the mission data. These are both illegal, so caution should be taken to avoid bringing attention to the location.

Hyoden was probably chosen for the research because it is nigh impossible for an enemy to rapidly capture and occupy (Jovian Citizenship requires passing a Starship Troopers like military service requirement, and Hyoden demands a further 6 years to gain the right to reproduction or consciousness forking) but it is far enough from the core habs to ensure the artifact won't take out the heart of Republic.

They don't know exactly where the research is being done, so they will need to either work with criminal elements to get information or infiltrate the Jovian bureaucracy enough to track down the facility.

>>50218106
Sorry I forgot to mention the octopus is female and the exalt is male.

>>50218122
Tentacle. Porn.

>>50218122
Tentacles up the butt.

Maybe tentacle hand job.

Not sure if octopus mouth works for blowjobs, but if so then maybe that.

How spelled out do you need this to be?

>>50218152
Do neo-octopus still have beaks or do they have human like mouths?

>>50218152
How does the octopus get pleasure out of that though?

>>50218217
I don't know!

The octopus wants to do it, maybe she gets off on giving out handy's or being up butts.

Some people have weird kinks.

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>>50218112
Hyoden isn't a part of the Jovian Republic, they're an independent city-state aligned most closely with Titan.

Europa is a better choice if you want cosmopolitan Jovian space, as it's semi-independent but still a part of the JR.

>>50218122

>>50218468
Thanks, I have a prospective PC who thinks the spacewhales are super cool so her character being sent to Europa would make some sense in case the lab is actually hidden in the vast European seascape.

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Are there any narrative books set on this setting?
Altered carbon and Blindsight were fine but not Eclipse phase enough for me.

>>50219165
A Time of Eclipse, Lack, Melt, An Infinite Horizon, El Destino Verde Pt. 1, Into the White, Interference, and After the Fall are all the EP fiction I've got. Some of them are from the books (Lack is from the core book, etc.).

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>>50219197
thnks brah

>>50218112
Hyoden is not part of the Republic

>>50218212
Beaks. They speak through the siphon.

>>50218468
Europa is not part of the Republic either.

>>50218468
>When you're big on F-net, you can do anything you want, they'll let you do anything
>Grab em by the siphon!

Hey, /epg/, do you think it's possible to have a 'fame merc' as a character type? A glitterati who's a hardened-but-sexy survivor of the fall who joined up with a militia down there during the Fall; but who had previously been, I dunno, a pro gamer or something. Survived the fall, missed the fame, but liked the rush of combat; decided to go mercenary and started streaming their jobs live to anyone who wanted to tune in to their audience in between going back to futuretwitch gamestreaming. What other factions would such a character likely have rep with, assuming their are, factionally, Glitterati?

>>50221283
Sounds like a cool idea, I know I'd watch mercenary live streams, but not practical. Especially when you're required to have a subtlety. Then there's the boring mercenary work (Most of it probably) like standing guard or waiting a kilometer away with a sniper rifle JUST IN CASE something goes wrong. You can always livestream yourself playing survival horror Sims, or record XPs in a quarantine zone, though that's dangerous, stupid, and will make your muse have a shit fit.

>>50221856

Well, presumably they aren't livestreaming all the time when it's boring work (or subtle work, but one gets the feeling this character would have a preferance for less-subtle work. Gets more futuretwitch views); presumably they'd turn streaming on either at massive viewer request during boring stuff or when the action starts to happen.

Besides, this is the Glitterati we're talking about here. Practical is another word for boring, and boring is another way to say you don't matter.

>>50221879
You could always record it, edit out the boring parts and post it a few days later.

>>50221930
That doesn't really have the same viewer thrill as full on livestreams, I think; though they'd probably do that too.

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>>50221953
I could see a mercenary hypercorp using them as PR, although there is the problem of them potentially coming across something sensitive during an op.

The problem with livestreaming a battle is that they're giving off constant radio signals. Even if the feed is encrypted, it still makes them stand out to the enemy's SIGINT guys. Also, anyone who does find the stream can exploit stream sniping to gain the upper hand in a fight.

>>50222298

That arguably just makes it better; again, they're glitterati, not hypercorp (the two have a great amount of overlap, but are not entirely overlapping).

What's a better way to show off how SKILLED AND GOOD you are by letting hte people you're up against try to stream snipe your shit just to fuck them up anyway, with a resounding cry of 'GIT GUD FAGGOTS'? It's like the ultimate self imposed video game challenge.

>>50222298
Insert false orders and other trickery into the stream

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>>50222298
>although there is the problem of them potentially coming across something sensitive during an op
Something like a basilisk, maybe?

>>50222360
>>50222354

Good points. Maybe vary the stream delay at random intervals so they never have exact knowledge of what's going on, just a vague idea of your position.

>>50222401
Well there's a quick and dirty way to mass-produce YGBM sleepers.

>>50221879
Combat situations aren't exactly something that are distributed publicly without heavy censoring though, and it's been like that since 'nam. Depending on the mercenary work it could be something as simple as repoing some deadbeat's biomorph or going on black ops in a proxy war. Guess which one of those two would get you killed.

>>50222861

Either could, depending; but this is a new world, you know? Eclipse phase's setting isn't the modern day, and a lot of modern day squeamish bits don't really apply anymore.

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So on the topic of OC, what kind of sports would the Factors play? They briefly talked about some kind of week long game of acquiring positions on a field while competing against one or more colonies. But doesn't detail it.

Personally I imagine it to be like Chinese checkers, but maybe the goal isn't to get to the other side of the field. The fact that it takes so long means it probably isn't fast paced, but slow and purposeful. Considering how the Factors can neither see or hear means that it would involve a lot of probing like a game of mine sweeper or battleship.

>>50222944
Yes it does. That's why warbots on mars strapped a bunch of live, screaming civilians to their frame. It's bad for enemy moral. Besides, the whole point of a proxy war is that nothing can be traced back to you. On top of that, providing you're enemy with a live feed of a battle isn't exactly tactically sound.

>>50223024

Well, for starters, I think X-Risks says they can comprehend and appreciate Table Tennis and other similar sports.

>>50223024
Who told you Factors can't hear?

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>>50223080
>On top of that, providing you're enemy with a live feed of a battle isn't exactly tactically sound.

>start streaming our running battle with exhumans, somewhere on the martian surface
>3000 viewers
>build up some hype as squad leader gives speech before we make the final push into their base
>muse handling user chat, sets up bet where users can win month of subscription if they guess the number of exhumans the streamer bags
>7498 viewers as @LunaHUNTER's stream goes offline and viewers switch over
>name-drop Prosperity Group subdivision; credits deposited to the account for cross-promotion
>8519 viewers - squad leader has finished outlining plan, get a dramatic sweep of the martian outback and entrance to underground facility
>squadmate in front drops to the ground, gaping hole in head
>drop to the ground just as sergeant gets popped
>user chat goes fucking insane speculating direction of the attack
>fucking stream sniped
>still, 239 new subscribers!

>>50223498
And that's what matters!

>player takes phobia as a drawback
>it's kangaroos
>not even morph type, specifically kangaroos
>force him to change it because it's retarded and is the same as taking "Enemy: US president" in a GURPS Fantasy game
>hands in the sheet with the biggest shit eating grin
>phobia: sharks

I should've just torn his sheet to pieces and pointed to the door. I'm not sure why I didn't do that, it only got worse from there.

Still looking for people to sign up for my roll20 campaign. Character Creation is the week before thanksgiving, First Game is the week after.

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4230802/introductions#post-4234570

>>50224174
No, you should have had him get gang-raped by kangaroos in simulspace.

>>50224174
that sucks, but i've never heard that thing about taking the president as an enemy in GURPS. Whats the precedent? Seems like the president would be a powerful enemy.

>>50223498
my god, thats so fucking atavistic, I love it!

>>50223498
Whose to say the whole battle isn't staged, like in the movie Gamer?

>>50224545
There is no President in a fantasy setting.

>>50224594
Oh. Well you said GURPS, not GURPS fantasy. But I agree, this asshat isn't even being clever.

>>50224625
I said GURPS Fantasy.

>>50224654
oh. so you did.
my bad.

>>50224494
the week after Thankgiving, that is. Not the week after character creation.

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>>50224174
That's when you start dropping these on him.

>>50224843
No, I agree with him, if someone is being a passive aggressive asshole you don't up your game by being an even bigger shitlord, you fucking drop his ass.

>>50224751
One of the joys of personal interaction is the ability to admit your wrong. When you are a public figurehead, you don't really have that option.

REMOVE SURYA

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>>50225547

What kind of music do you think the Clanking Masses/Steel Liberators listen to on Luna. I imagine a Luna counter-culture surrounding the Steel Liberators. Usually there is music inspired by it.

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>>50223095
The book did. Factors have no understanding of sound and don't appreciate music that's been converted to a medium they know because they digest all sensory input at once rather than one note at a time.

>>50225990
>Their perception spectra includes the infrared part of the electromagnetic spectrum, magnetoception, a high-resolution chemical-gradient based “sight,” and keen haptic perceptions (including vibrations).

>>50226189
I always assumed they just convert all thet into touch. EP does a shit job at trying to explain this to a layman.

>>50219836
I misread the book and thought they were a protectorate that was moving towards republic control as opposed to away.

>>50219867
(guy who proposed the story idea here) I think Europa can work though. There is the Jovian unity faction of the parliament, and I could just say they recently acquired a larger number of seats in an election upset, which lead to them proposing accepting Jovian science facilities on Europa in exchange for a reduction in tolls on Europan exports.

Jovian science is supposed to be super safe with their massively conservative views on such, so the rest of parliament would see it as an easy trade with the Jovian Unity faction them giving on some other issue.

>>50227027
>and I could just say they recently acquired a larger number of seats in an election upset, which lead to them proposing accepting Jovian science facilities on Europa in exchange for a reduction in tolls on Europan exports.
I play these games to escape reality, man

Am I a bad person for liking the various revised/redux psi rules? I like my high tech cyberpunk settings AND I like my not!Magic. Shadowrun just does not do it for me, I love the tech and setting of EP too much.

>>50227129
Chris Christie, having survived into the future by some miracle, is a major political figure.

No one is sure if he has been resleeved into a Europan Whale morph or if his fat ass has somehow managed to adapt to the Europan conditions through sheer obesity.

My gaming group is a lot of friends from going to school in New Jersey so I feel like this bit of comedy to the setting will go over decently.

>>50227159
Which psi rules? Revamped is good. I don't know of any others that are worth mentioning.

>>50227483
lol, thats great.

I once worked in ozzy ozbourne in an old mage: the ascention game as a wizard and my players loved it. Go nutz.

>>50227159

On the other hand, Elysium is now even more interesting.

I was trying to condense the skills a bit. I think I did pretty good.

>Blades, Clubs and Unarmed are now Melee
>Beam, Kinetic, and Spray weapons are now Small Arms
>Gunnery and Seeker weapons are now Heavy Arms
>Climbing, Swimming, Freerunning and Throwing are now Athletics
>Flight, Fray and Free Fall are now Acrobatics, and their uses are expanded to encompass most tasks that require precise body control such as balance
>Deception and Impersonation are now Bluff
>Investigation and Scrounging are now Search
>Protocol no longer exists - you either know the rules and etiquette or you cover your butt with other social skills
>Exotic Melee and Exotic Ranged no longer exist
>Interfacing and Research are now Tech Use
>Infosec and Programming are now Tech Abuse (name pending)
>Psychosurgery is now a field of Medicine
>Psi Assault and Control are now Psi Offense
>Sense no longer exists and is considered an async-exclusive use of Perception or Kinesics
>Exotic Language merged with Language - like, really. And no, no sane GM would allow you to take Language: Factor at chargen, so that's not an issue

So, total skill count is reduced from 50 (field-skills are counted once) to 30. I don't remember if you can take multiple specializations, but I ruled that you can. What do you think?

>>50227159
>>50228008

What are you weirdos talking about? Revamped stuff? Why's Elysium interesting now?

>>50228868
Obviously this would mean less CP at chargen, to maintain the power level. I'm thinking about 25-35 percent less.

>>50228868
Relying on houserules when you have an already robust system is a sure sign of an amateur. Why waste time refining a system that has an already established ruleset if your not on the design team? Why should people use your cludged snowflake rules when the rules are generally agreed upon to be generally well written and playtested?

You're giving your players more power than the system is designed to give them by making them more flexible and less specialized and spreading their points more thinly for the same effect.

Wanting to simplify the system is fine, but its a 1000 point base and scaling the skills from 50 to 30 causing a cascade of changes and would negatively impact the character generator which is necessary when dealing with tallying large numbers without error.

>>50228983
well, i guess that shows you are at least thinking about it, but EP isn't like warhammer, its not a thrown together ruleset held together by string and glue. Its robust, streamlined, and flexible while being crunchy enough to satisfy most players.

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>>50229041
>Its robust, streamlined, and flexible while being crunchy enough to satisfy most players.
>>50229002
>Robust system
>the rules are generally agreed upon to be generally well written and playtested?
You're joking, right? Even EP's fans agree the system is mediocre at best, garbage at worst. It's also only crunchy in the worst ways, not in actually helpful ways.

>>50229002
>>50229041
OP encouraged to post house rules, and that's what I'm doing.

You've got to be joking. Skill bloat is ridiculous, combat has unnecessary extra steps, rule writing is poor and full of contradictions, moxie is plain retarded, and the setting is clearly too biased.

>>50228909

Sorry, I meant to link to >>50227129 not >>50227159

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>>50228868
Some of these are a bit too drastic, but I like the effort.

>>50229002
>>50229041
mfw

>>50229108
Apologies, didn't realize your houserules had been solicited. Still, I think its a valid criticism. Most experienced Role Players are used to dealing with complex systems, it weeds out the tards.

Just ask White Wolf, their whole motto was KISS, and look where that got them. They got mobbed by kids and casuals, every game was like disarming a landmine.

>>50229333
>white fucking wolf
>KISS

It seems a retard is you.

>>50229375
The goal is to keep it flexible enough that it still works, but complicated enough that it weeds out the tards.

GURPS is a good example of complexity run amok.

>>50229641
Holy shit. You're actually retarded.

>>50229641
Please go back to the Pathfinder thread and stay there.

>>50228868
>See that Martian freerunner who has never been in a body of water deeper than a puddle? I bet he's great at swimming. Just look how athletic he is.

Skill granularity is not bad.

>Psychsurgery is now a field of medicine

This doesn't even accomplish anything

>>50232401
>doesn't accomplish anything
To be fair, it does. Psychosurgery is keyed to INT, and Medicine - to COG.

Why melee sucks and how to fix it?

>>50232401
If you're athletic, you'll be good at swimming once you learn how to. And learning isn't hard.

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>>50228909

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roll a d100, your party encounters the corresponding mofo trying to run counter operations to theirs

Rolled 88, 61 = 149 (2d100)

>>50234657
>>50234736
Bring it on.

>>50234759
Well shit, it's two sniper chicks.

Gotta get real sneaky and obliterate the whole hab with extreme prejudice when we're done.

>>50233649
Melee doesn't need to be as good as ranged combat, but it should really give two attacks per complex action instead of one.

>>50228868
Collapsing the melee skills is good. Ranged weapons are ok, but Gunnery shouldn't be combined with anything. I'd combine thrown weapons with seekers instead. (Making it explosive weapons) Getting rid of exotic everything is good.

Swimming and 0-g movement skills should stay separate. EP is a system which can actually use that skill differentiation because of the variety of environments. It's good to be able to have aquatic uplifts not be automatically awesome at climbing, and vice versa, and helps make differing environs mechanically different.

Getting rid of Fray and just using Swimming, Freerunning, Flight or Free Fall when relevant. Fray is a stupid God-skill you need, which doesn't nothing but help dodge attacks, and can already be substituted by Pilot or Freerunning in a lot of situations.

Combining Deception and Impersonation is good IMO, same with Investigation and Scrounging. Those are both skills I find cover most of the same ground.

I like Protocol though, it's basically a "roll this to get info to avoid social gaffes", which is nice to have as a player, and is a good way to reenforce the themes of cultural separation across the solar system.

I don't think Interfacing and Research are that similar. I'd combine Interfacing with Programming instead, most uses in game will be for very similar things.

I'm not sure what to do with Infosec. combining it with Programming/Interfacing is good, but stick a lot of extra penalties in the process to make buying Complementary skills like Profession: Hacker or similar important.

Psychosurgery shouldn't be a field skill of medicine, they don't even run on the same Aptitude, but Medicine should have the number of fields reduced and broadened.

All psi skills should be collapsed to "psi".

Exotic language is dumb yeah.

>>50235319
The new Delta Green has a Special Training feature, which basically restricts some things that you just can't do without practice but which are too simple to get their own skill. For example, throwing grenades is a use of Athletics that require special training, picking locks is a use of Dexterity, and so on.


I think this feature can be borrowed and applied here, since climbing and swimming and falling are not that hard when you're in average physical shape and get the hang of it. It relies more on instincts and reflexes. So, people start with some training for free - Climbing for mountain-dwellers, Swimming for ocean-dwellers, 0-g for spacers. If they have it, they can use Athletics for that. If not, athletics is for moving in other ways and throwing stuff.


There is a very thin line between Gunnery and heavy weapon use, especially when the same fuckheavy cannon can be used by one morph only on a tripod and by another in one hand. Thrown weapons include knives, javelins, and sticky non-explosive things, so merging them with Seekers is not the best idea.


Fray is incorporated into Acrobatics anyway, and serves more as a reminder. And yes, I agree with the idea that you should use different skills to dodge. I think this model would use Athletics when you climb or swim, Acrobatics when you fall, fly or run, Pilot when you pilot and the same Athletics or Acrobatics when you jam shit.


Protocol would fall under the Special Training, because it basically boils down to knowing the rules and etiquette of a given specific society.


As of interfacing, programming, infosec and research, maybe they can be collapsed as Infosec/Research, because a good part of infosec is searching for vulnerabilities, and Interfacing/Programming, because it's not a long way from first to second. Sticking penalties unless you got another specific skill seems kinda dumb, because this way you might as well not merge them at all.

>>50229641
GURPS actually cuts in good reasonable chunks the moment it is applied to a concrete setting. The main problem with it is pre-game amount of DM work. Basically if you want to run a long campaign - it is okay. For one-shot GURPS is bad - too much spent time and energy.

There is even rules to condense skills.

>>50233649
Because it should. You don't punch people in microgravity. You grapple them and break their limbs using their or your own body as a lever.

Additionally with enhancements that EP people have punching is even further penalized due to people not having enough mass behind strikes to deal damage. Subdermal armor, upgraded dense muscles, skeleton changed to some carbon monstrosity. All this staff adds defence while not adding enough mass to punch through it. Strikers just bounce off each over.

So consider moving to grapples or armed grapples (say with knifes). A good hold should give a bonus to precision of melee attacks allowing to target chinks and armor and similar stuff.

Rolled 64, 11, 94 = 169 (3d100)

>>50234736
Sentries, OZMA assets inbound on your position

>>50236194
>sentries
>not sentinels

You had one job...

>>50236194
>femme async in nearly neotenic morph
>punky giant sword dual wielding guy
>aggressively old-earth gatecrasher sniper bitch
and they appear to be ex-firewall agents, flashy cunts

Rolled 78 (1d100)

>>50234736
rolling
>>50236248
>how to tell when OZMA's gotten into your tacnet

Rolled 44, 54, 94, 27, 53 = 272 (5d100)

>>50234736
LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED, WHO WANTS TO GET THEIR ASSES KICKED FIRST?

>a katana-wielding small fuck with a mickey mouse head
>a generic big guy with a big gun
>a sniper bitch
>a big guy with an oversized axe and something flashy on his helmet
>a wannabe Raiden/Jensen

What the fuck. This is literally our party, except the Mickey Mouse.


Hey, proxy, what the fuck are you up to?

>>50236415
>a man with a built in exo-womb
I wonder what it wants

Rolled 5 (1d100)

>>50234736
Let's see who will kill me, either in body or in soul.

>>50233649
Because ranged weapons are superior except in the nichest of applications, which is why militaries are built around guns.

Solution: Don't fix it. Melee remains useful in situations where guns are not an option.

>>50237096
Welp, looks like my head will be punched or chopped off.

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>>50233649
get good

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Do the Factors remind anyone else of the Jophur?

>>50233656
Learning time is already built into EP, and being good at related things is covered by common attributes.

>>50238688
They remind me of elder things

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>>50208995

>>50236383
>ex-firewall agents
You know what that means.

>>50235665
Using the special training stuff would have been nice to know in your post.

It seems stupid that the same skill a net-whale has a good score in makes it exceptionally good at climbing mountains and throwing rocks. That just doesn't really make sense.

There's a very thick line between Gunnery and everything else, because Gunnery is the skill used with Direct Remote Control, meaning every ranged weapon can use it. (IIRC melee is handled with Pilot instead). DRC comes up a fair amount because it's easy to spec into.

Acrobatics and Athletics are combining a lot of really disparate things which don't make sense together. Remember, not everyone is human (or close enough) or human shaped; there's significant differences between AGIs, humans and various uplifts. One of the strengths of the EP skill system is that it doesn't actually assume that the "standard" mode of travel is walking in gravity.

>because it basically boils down to knowing the rules and etiquette of a given specific society.
Protocol isn't a field skill, its knowing the rules and etiquette of any given society. There's definitely enough going on there for it to be a skill. Knowing how to fit in with Exoglots, Rorties, Winterists, or Lizards is significantly more complicated than any society on earth today.

In actual play it looks like this:
>Research: Used to find information, almost always on the mesh, can be any kind.
>Programming: Used to give complex commands to computers, software, and machinery
>Interfacing: Used to do complicated things with radios. Jam and stealth signals, find signals, use signals to see where people are, etc. It should be called Use Radio.
>Infosec: used to attack and defend in hacking.

If I were trying to collapse them based on which ones are similar, I think what I'd do now (as opposed to my earlier post), would be to combine Infosec and Interfacing (because most hacking is wireless and sneaky), leave Programming alone, and simply remove the Research skill.

>>50239670
To replace research I'd primarily use Knowledge Skills when relevant. Research is a lot like Fray in that it's a skill which is keeps the gate of a very common thing in games, so everyone needs to get a lot of it, reducing meaningful character differentiation.

>>50236127
I let unarmed attacks be fluffed as grapples, with successful wounds removing or crippling body parts. It actually worked really well when combined with a small weapon for the extra damage.

>>50239670
>There's definitely enough going on there for it to be a skill. Knowing how to fit in with Exoglots, Rorties, Winterists, or Lizards is significantly more complicated than any society on earth today.

I would argue that fitting in with real modern cultures is also complex eenough to be a skill.

>>50239738
I agree with that as well, so something more complicated should as well. Bad explanation on my part

>>50238831
Factors are clearly nothing like Elder Things

>>50211190
You don't know anything about "the Amish", or else you wouldn't make a broad statement about "the Amish".

The Titanians are the only reasonable and believable faction in the entire game.

>>50243521

This shit seriously makes me angry. Every anarchist faction is a blind utopia and every hierarchy is laughably evil, with the Commonwealth as the only middle ground that doesn't come off as a cartoon villain or wish fulfillment.

>>50218838
> that fucking thing weighing anything less than 300kg
The girl's body alone would do no less than a full 15kg.

>>50243536

The Extropians are a middle ground that doesn't come off as a cartoon villian. It's a little wish fulfillmenty if you're libertarian leaning, but not as much as the ancoms are.

>>50241161
The Amish are smelly Luddites.

>>50243536
>>50244428
To be fair, at the point of technological progress as found in EP, non-socialist social structures really can't keep pretending to exist for any purpose other than keeping the ruling class in power for its sake.

t. a commie

>>50244109
Maybe it's all actually hollow, and it's just future plastic mache. For all we know that's just future monstergirl cosplay. With Nerf guns.

>>50244636
Plastic cosplay that has a range parameter and can achieve sonic speed? That's some plastic.

>>50244650
It's the future.

>>50243536
What about the Morningstar constellation?

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>>50239644
OZMA turned them despite Firewall's precautions against that exact thing? OZMA offers a dental plan and relaxation indenture in the benefits? OZMA is the designation for the "side" of Firewall that has structuralist beliefs and monetary compensation and the highly compartmentalized and individualized conspiracy cells of the system don't actually function as rival intelligence agencies so much as cliques of violent immortal science adventurers that fight with memes? It could mean lots of things.

>getting hacked by an abnormally smart and aggressive Killer Spambot on a TITAN hunting op

>>50246031
The issue is then you are an Planetary Consortium Shill for life.

Ozma might not have the infighting of Firewall, but it has masters who might make bad decisions and thus cause the project to become harmful.

Just like POTUS being able to launch nukes at-will is an X-Risk, so is the perversion of Ozma leadership at least an X-Hazard.

Firewall does not have strong central leadership so it cannot be perverted, downside is this means it can't nuke the shit out of whoever at a moment's notice.

>>50243536
Well, that's post-scarcity politics for you, chief.

Jovians are bad because they're neoconservative mudskinned Christcucks, PC is bad because they're the fucking corporate Jewish menace, Morningstar is bad because it's a form of borg LARPing that actively impedes fundamental human progress, and there's not any other societies with rigid hierarchy.

>>50243536
that's true only according to a wilfully narrow reading of the books

>>50246990
>corporate Jewish menace
>PC
Except the LLA is the Jewish one.

>>50246391
> POTUS being able to launch nukes at-will is an X-Risk
That's precisely the reason why POTUS can't launch nukes at will: it requires cooperation of three persons who can't keep it secret. Just saying.

>>50244591
>to be fair
>t. a commie
topkek

>>50246391
Spotted the buttblasted Shillary supporter

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>>50248456
How's your country's infrastructure doing, my fellow supporter of capitalism?

>>50243536
>Every anarchist faction is a blind utopia
Really not even close. They're prone to resource shortages, isolation, and social unfairness.

>>50248685
Looking up, no thanks to pinkos like you.

>>50248754
Resource shortages are barely mentioned (the ones mentioned being decent morphs, space, and Earth/authentic/luxury goods). Social unfairness is given a few throwaway lines and handwaved with magically perfect networking systems. Isolation isn't really a problem as much as a choice.

>>50248685
>>>/leftypol/

>>50249325
> Looking up
That's some wishful thinking. But I guess for you it's a cause for celebration when you have roads at all.
>>50249385
> implying that they aren't just /pol/ with different bogeymen

>>50249375
when are you going away?

I need to recruit players who don't have their heads shoved up their asses.

You're making it difficult.

>>50250066
>unironically AnCap strawmanning
You'd fit in perfectly there, though.

>>50247810
No it doesn't, its the two-man rule not the three-man rule.

>>50250309
You do understand that ayncaps just double down on capitalist propaganda being fed to the general American public, right? When it comes to talking points and ideological arguments, ayncaps differ from mainstream ideologues only quantitatively.
>>50250436
Must have mistook it for something else, then. Regardless, there is a number of failsafes and procedures to pass even after the two people with the authority to launch the nukes decide to do so. For a shadowy organization with the power to corrupt two of the highest-ranking positions in the US government, simply stealing the nukes would be much simpler and cost-effective.

>>50248685
We need more of these. I saw somebody spamming these on a different board, they should belong to us, the /epg

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>>50250735
Google "ancap meme".

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>>50250735

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> ancaps unironically defend this

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i think this one is my favorite.

Its always good to take the piss out of yourself every once and a while

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>>50251477
> transhumanists
Ancaps in denial.
> primitivists
Simply stupid.

>>50251558
do you actually have to try to be such a little snot or does it just come naturally?

>>50250464
>capitalist propaganda
What the fuck are you even saying? That's some mighty strong koolaid you're drinking.

>>50251585
No, I've always been a cheeky cunt. Getting repeatedly beat up over it didn't change me, either.
>>50251597
Stupid Yank.

>>50251623
personally, i think anarcho anything is pretty dumb.

anachism isn't about tearing down the government, its a personal philosophy. Its basically like saying, "In Jersey, anything is legal so long as you don't get caught."

Rules and laws don't exist in nature. Everything there is the result of reciprocation, you establish guidelines for your behavior based on you're own personal experiences.

Basically, when you are an anarchist, you are saying, "The law doesn't apply to me. I am a sovereign nation unto myself. The only only authority I will respect is my own, the only law I will obey is the law that is backed through force of arms."

saying your anarcho-anything is a contridiction in terms.

>>50251789
> personally, i think anarcho anything is pretty dumb.
You're right. Any large enough society, when organised, form what's essentially a government, no matter how it's called.
> anachism isn't about tearing down the government, its a personal philosophy
Here's where you're wrong. It's a political ideology, just a weak one.
> Basically, when you are an anarchist, you are saying
You're misunderstanding anarchism. Most anarchists are basically commies who propose utilising very inefficient methods to achieve communism.
I mean, I personally like them like I like watching a cat trying to catch a laser dot: adorable, but utterly useless.

>>50250735
No. We are neither /leftypol/ nor the EP forums. No matter how many image macros are posted, AnComs do not have a monopoly on a lack of organized roads. This is a problem that all flavors of anarchism have.

>>50251971
I meant the memes, you dolt.

They are both funny and relevant to EP.

>>50251971
Fuck. Meant ancaps.

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>>50251914
My arms are not long enough for the jerk off motion in my soul.

>>50252034
Good, I was almost about to send you to gulag.

>>50252036
The knowledge that I'm objectively right makes me feel all the more justified in my self-righteousness.

>>50252012
We don't need /leftypol/'s fucking memes or rhetoric. We have our own, much danker memes.

>>50252071
I'm sure that same sense of smug self satisfaction will come in handy when you are humping your pillow and cry yourself to sleep tonight.

>>50252093
Pbbt, you probably never smoked a bowl in your life.

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>>50251789
Anarcho-Individualist.

>>50252130
anarcho-faggot

>>50247795
LLA is just old man PC.

>>50252115
What a newfag.

>>50252164
They literally back the credit with bank vaults full of Jew-gold.

>>50248468
I don't like that every president could do that.

Say Obama has a horribly specific stroke tomorrow and order Russia nuked, his defense secretary assumes the president must have a good reason and says okay.

Game over.

The ability to declare the last of our nation should not reside in the hands of so few people without some check by the congress.

>>50252144
Yes. George Takei is a faggot, but you're not the cool kind of faggot.

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Found this little gem in the Transhuman player's guide.

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>>50248685

>>50252106
> projecting
And anyway, owning a pillow is a bourgeois pleasure. I bet you even sleep on a bed; you tyranny supporter.

>>50252278
I own a dildo.

What could be more capitalist than that?

>>50252363
Owning means of production, duh

>>50252416
hah! you got me.

>>50252416
Shit, that's a fucking good one here, m8.

So, either all the an posters have night jobs they had to leave to, or they live outside the US.

>>50206321
You come across several decomposing corpses with damaged cortical stacks. Upon inspection, you find out they're your own.

>>50254740
> no spooky downsides

>>50206321
>>50255506
If there's no horror, there's conspiracy.

>>50257001
Still spooky.

>>50257001
False?

>>50257633
Conspiracies don't have to be /x/-tier.

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What do you think the solar system will look like in 20 AF?

>>50261021
It'd probably be fairly similar to how it is in 10 AF.

I'd speculate that Mars is still in the process of being terraformed, and until that's completed, the Planetary Consortium are unlikely to make any solar system shaking moves. A few settlements on Luna switch over to the Planetary Consortium, much to the consternation of the LLA. Groups within the LLA and Morningstar are getting in touch with one another and co-operating more closely, as they fear that the PC will make a move on one or both of them.

The Jovian Republic continues to bunker down, entrenching themselves further and peering over their parapets occasionally to shout rude words at their neighbours. The cost of waging a war to remove the Republic is too high for anyone to stomach, despite protest movements forming within the other polities. While the official stance remains "fuck you all", the Republic has begun - clandestinely, and indirectly - funding Pathfinder and some other commercial groups interested in exoplanets and the Pandora Gates with a view to encouraging transhumanity into leaving the solar system, which could them be claimed by the Republic.

The Autonomist Alliance undergoes few changes; the threat of the Republic (and, to a lesser extent, the Planetary Consortium) keeps the disparate elements that make up the Alliance working together for the most part. Exploration via the Gates has become something of a priority, with a handful of new colonies becoming recognised members of the Autonomist Alliance. The "exosolar bloc" is a cause for concern amongst the more conservative members of the Autonomist Alliance; they feel that not enough consideration had been given to how such colonies would be defended against aggressors. If some other faction - likely the PC - were to attack an exosolar habitat that had joined the Alliance, they believe that they would be obliged to aid in their defence but be unable to do so, and that such would undermine the viability of the Alliance.

>>50261283
>Jovians
>lasting another 10 years
I was due for a good laugh.

>>50261330
>I was due for a good laugh.

I'm not a Jovefag but, unless the Republic is the one to start a shooting war, I can't see anyone else looking at the Jovians and thinking to themselves that it's worth the fucking effort to get rid of them. Any resources that the Jovians have could be claimed eventually, at less cost, via the exploration and exploitation of the gate network.

There's no need for me to kill your sexual partner, wrestle you to the ground, punch you in the face and receive punches in return just so I can suck your dick. There's a whole galaxy of dicks out there to suck, so many dicks that each of us could suck as many different dicks as we like and not only would we not have to suck the same dick twice, we could live a long and fulfilling life of dick-sucking without ever having to touch a dick that has had another person's lips around them.

>>50261021
Who is this supposed to be?

>>50261490
The biggest threat to the Republic lies within

>>50261720
That seems like it'd be true for every group in Eclipse Phase. Things exist in something of a balanced status quo, and it'd likely take pressure from within to make a polity shift from a "mostly co-existing with one another" stance to a "fuck them all to death" one.

If you divide the solar system in Eclipse Phase into three powerhouses - the Planetary Consortium, the Republic and the Autonomist Alliance, the first person to kick off shit is going to be the loser. You can't really hope to take out the other two, and the cost of defeating one is going to leave you vulnerable to the other.

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>>50261791
Why does this laser look like what deviant art thinks a railgun looks like?

>>50262065
Whats wrong with the design, at its core.

Those are not holes in the barrel, just a colour pattern.

>>50262097
Well for one thing lasers don't have barrels

>>50262109
You know what I mean when I say barrel you cheeky shit.

>>50262097
They also don't have any recoil worth mentioning, so that stock is seriously overbuilt. Then there's what looks like a recoil damper on it. Then there's the claim that this thing is an assault rifle. Even if it was a slugthrower this would unreasonably long for an assault rifle.

>>50262117
Do I now? Are you aware that you improve a laser's range by increasing its diameter rather than its length? Could you explain what aspect of the laser's design drives the length of this "barrel"?

>>50262146
You do know that eclipse phase is soft sci-fi right.

>>50262160
It's not an eclipse phase picture. Also, do you have an example of a laser weapon depicted in EP art?

>>50262160
Eclipse phase specifically makes a point of mentioning that lasers have no recoil, so the heavy stock and recoil damper still wouldn't make any sense.

>>50262160
It's only soft where it uses magical metamaterials, carbon nanoshits, or nanomachines son. There's also spooky singularity stuff, but transhumanity generally doesn't have access to that.

>>50262364
Weirdly, the bit about recoil? Not talking about lasers. Seriously, do a search for "recoil" in the Eclipse Phase rulebook.

>Modern chemical firearms use caseless ammunition that is auto-loaded from a magazine. They are effectively recoilless (thanks to rheological smart fluid mechanisms) and electronically fired (an electric charge vaporizes the propellant, using the expanding steam and plasma to eject and accelerate the projectile)

>>50262603
That's clearly just saying the recoil force is lower because it's spread over a longer period of time. It's like the hydraulic recoil control system in artillery.

>>50261021
I've entertained this idea. Assuming we still survive I would imagine there'd be the second generation of uplifts, the Factors (assuming they're good guys) might trust us a little bit more to explain their galactic community.

>>50261753
That's one badass arachnoid

>>50262618
Sure, but my point that the only mention of recoil in Eclipse Phase is that bit there, and that Eclipse Phase doesn't actually seem to "specifically makes a point of mentioning that lasers have no recoil" and instead states that modern firearms are "effectively recoilless".

It just looked like another one of those half-remembered oh-the-book-says-it-is-like-this that makes me grumpy. I mean, damn, we've got the books in a format that we can just search through, it takes all of a minute to check whether or not what you're saying is right. The section on Beam Weapons in the book doesn't mention recoil at all, let alone specifically mention that lasers in particular doesn't have any.

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>>50261791
Is no one going to comment on the name of this thing?

>>50262746
That's the developer's name. It's an early access game on steam. I lost interest at "nuclear chain reaction in the atmosphere." Physics has advanced since the 1940s. That meme is dead.

>>50262741
>being butthurt about recoilless lasers

When were nanofabbers first invented?

>>50262968
2015.

>>50261711
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Big Yud, I think.

>>50262160
B8/8 m8

>Any large enough society, when organised, form what's essentially a government, no matter how it's called.
Who said Anarchy isn't a government?
>adorable, but utterly useless.
They laughed at the wright brothers too.

For me Anarchy isn't an ideology, it's an end goal. We want a world without violence, poverty, corruption, freedom. But we don't know how to reach it yet.

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>>50263368
Anarchy isn't government, it's a state of social relation.

In a post-scarcity world like EP, scarcity and hierarchy may still enforced artificially by the Jews (and their Jovian puppets) but the new natural of human relationships is non-coercive, voluntary association. This is anarchy, and it comes in many flavors. Personally I believe in loosely anarchofascist principles.

>>50263445
Locus has a fucking zoning board

>>50263463
Your point?

>>50263480
It is governed

>>50263445
Honestly, I think Anarchy working in EP is realistic. All you need to do is get a bunch of like-minded people together (see /pol/) who all accept the flaws of anarchy and decide to form a commune around that.

I love how all these faggots say anarchy doesn't work because we will always form a government, or people are too selfish. It does work if everyone agrees to be responsible and respect the principles they all live by. No anarkiddy's going to make a nuke as a centerpiece, why would they? Fusion materials are rare out in the rim as it is, and no one wants to blow up their home.

>>50262909
Nah, just mildly asspained over people saying how the book says something specifically when it doesn't, and so felt that pointing out how the book doesn't actually say that shit might do something to relieve the itch in my anal region.

It didn't!

>>50263276
Ok fair enough, but when did the technology become efficient enough for the corps to start guarding the jealousy

>>50263513
No, governance requires coercion. There is no genuine coercion in the AA. Ultimately people can fuck off and do their own thing whenever they like and will not be threatened with violence for it.

The PC and Jovians meanwhile have to constantly torture and cobtrol their population so they don't turn into anarchists, and will not let them leave.

>>50263773
Why are you asking this? There is no actual date in EP, except relating to the Fall. It was before then, obviously, but whether it was 2 or 20 years prior we can't say.

>>50263809
That's a good enough time gap for me.

So what's the vision cone for flat cameras? I'd use modern cameras as a reference, but I don't know that either.

>>50263785
>No, governance requires coercion.

I'd say it requires consent, and coercion is one means of getting that, and that the use of coercion is generally what separates shit-tier hierarchies from god-tier ones. If everyone got together to play in an orchestra voluntarily and because it's what they enjoy doing, that's an uplifting community activity. If everyone got together to play in an orchestra because it's mandatory and if you don't do it, you, your children and their children will be sent to a prison camp, that looks a little bit like a dictatorship.

>>50263890
Modern cameras are pretty variable

>>50263896
All a state is is a monopoly on violence. Even when interaction within a state seems voluntary, there is always the coercion of their monopoly right beneath the surface, waiting to beat you down, imprison, and/or kill you for stepping out.

Government can exist outside of the state but particularly in true post-scarcity like EP there is no compelling reason to subject yourself to the rule of others.

>>50263941
>no compelling reason to subject yourself to the rule of others.

Loneliness

>>50263785
>and will not be threatened with violence for it
except that's literally what there is. If the other anarkiddos don't like you, they can go as far as to take your morph and upload you to a shitty server and put you on the end of a long list of outgoing egocasts, while you desperately try to find somewhere that's willing to take you.

>>50261761
The issues the Jovians have is tech envy.

most PC and Autonomists don't have too mcuh government restricting them from accessing tech which extends lifespans and makes them wealthier on average.

even with the Jovian efforts to restrict info, people will know that the other factions get to live forever with more access to fancy nanofabs.

Now, if another faction suffers a huge crisis due to a lack of technological conservatism, that would sure up the Jovian internal stability, but every year without such increases the risk of popular dissatisfaction.

>>50264146
That's not a monopoly on violence, hoss. I'm not some lolbercuck NAP retard, I will not deny that force will be used in an anarchic setting, but you basically have to TRY to get yourself so hated that a bunch of people want to kick you out.

What liberates you in anarchy is not security, but total freedom to associate with who and what you want to assiciate with. You are your master, you decide when and if violence is the answer and you report and can be judged by no one but yourself.

>>50264213
>but you basically have to TRY to get yourself so hated that a bunch of people want to kick you out.
The only thing you need for that to happen is to disagree with some tumblr-tier meme like the "patriarchy" today.

You can be judged by absolutely anyone and are at the mercy of the mob.

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>>50264283
Why would you live in an SJW hab unless you agree with their values?

>>50264209
I don't really look at the Jovians as presented and see them as suffering from tech-envy; your average Republic citizen doesn't envy the technology the others have, but rather fear what it'll do to the people who use it. They're more likely to look to their own wealthy and their own elite and seek to redress that gap than they are to demand access to the technology outside that, in their view, helped lead to the collapse of humanity.

>>50264322
The further you get from the Fall the less it works to keep off people wanting tech delivered standards of living.

Yes, the Fall got a lot of Jovians to develop strong conservative ideas, but time is likely to erode such.

If Mars or Luna have a major crisis due to their TITAN zones or some other world has another Fall like event then it will reset the clock on a Jovian internal conflict, but otherwise people won't stay afraid forever due to one crisis.

>>50264322
The only reason you'd think the average Jovian isn't despairing over their situation and crippling poverty is because you're a loathsome Jovefag worm who will say anything to defend their utterly indefensible condition.

>>50264316
>implying that there are AnComs that aren't SJWs

>>50264370
If they're indefensible, then they need to be changed so that they are defensible.

>>50264423
There are ancom bounty hunters

>>50264356
Considering how isolated the Republic is from the rest of transhumanity and the solar system, especially in regards to the information coming in, what would stop them from resetting the clock on an internal conflict by simply telling the population that Mars or Luna has had a major crisis?

>>50264435
WANTED

for the crime of holding a door open for a womon

>>50264423
There are, and besides, the AA isn't an anarchocommunist organization, it's an anarchist organization. There are fucking Randroids in it ffs.

In EP you will find anarchists that you'd like to live with and vice versa, it's inevitable.

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>>50264478
>Randroids

>>50264434
Wrong, not every group needs to be sympathetic.

Now the specific incoherence of the Jovian Republic, particularly regarding its origjns, is mind boggling at the level of the setting, but they are clearly terrible people and deserve nothing but scorn.

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>>50264499
Shadowdragon go and stay go. We know it's you.

>>50264370
It's more that I figure people will prioritise rallying against the inequality that they come face to face with before they start grumbling about the inequality that they're never confronted with.

>>50264517
Jovians are genetrash mudblooded wetback Christcucks who are governed by neocons who make Cheney seem reasonable.

>>50264146
No they won't. They wouldn't have joined an anarchist society of they didn't accept that they need to get along with everyone.

>>50264283
>The only thing you need for that to happen is to disagree with some tumblr-tier meme like the "patriarchy" today.
This all assumes they're all extremists. Anyone who isn't retarded would be able to get along just fine on a scum barge.

>>50264677
Except that they're idealistic shits like you.

>>50264712
There's a reason why the AA and Scum are not considered one faction.

>>50264423
Talking shit
>>50264722
>Except that they're idealistic shits like you.
Talking shit and acting butthurt

>>50264885
You'd seem like less of a tool if you didn't have a name on.

>>50264938
So I make a thread on my labtop a week ago and forgot about it. Still doesn't prove I'm a tool.

>>50264938
So now you're resorting to using ad hominems?

>>50264466
They still trade with the outside world and profit off traffic going to Europa or systems further rimward.

Pulling off a strict lie like that would be difficult and would mean restrictions on travel being made even more intense; Europa is popular for Jovian vacations.

>>50264283
>You can be judged by absolutely anyone and are at the mercy of the mob.
Why would the mob care about something so petty?

>>50265155
So maintain a steady stream of fabricated events to keep reminding the majority of people to be afraid of the technology so recklessly used by outsiders. Getting out of the Republic requires a visa, and the process is described as "long, complicated, and expensive, and they are often refused unless the applicant has a particularly good reason for leaving", so it doesn't sound like there's a huge amount of people leaving the Republic to go on holidays. Those people who can afford to leave probably can be relied on to keep their mouths shut about news regarding, say, Luna and, if not, a handful of people running around going "The recent TITAN outbreak in Luna didn't actually happen!" can probably be handled the same way you'd handle conspiracy nuts yelling exactly the same thing - ignore them and, if they become a problem, get rid of them.

Traffic going to Europa and onwards doesn't stop off in a Jovian habitat to swap stories about whatever the fuck is going on in the solar system. You let them pass, make them pay the toll, and the Republic continues to get its cut. If anything, the fact that none of the stuff passing through is full of horrible infected TITAN-grade nanoghosts or whatever boogeyman they've concocted just goes to show how thorough the Navy is at keeping threats at bay, right?

>>50265278
But when lunar traders bound for Titan and Uranus don't drop in numbers, rumors will circulate and those undercut government authority.

It also makes the government more vulnerable to being shown to be lying to its people by external or internal enemies.

They can amplify a real incident or minimize a new technology, but I don't think the government has utterly absolute control.

If they did there would be no issues inside the Republic.

>>50265400
>But when lunar traders bound for Titan and Uranus don't drop in numbers, rumors will circulate and those undercut government authority.

How many people do you think are going to know how many ships passed through space claimed by the Republic exactly that they can verify for themselves? Although there might be an avid group of ship-spotting nerds in the Republic, I highly doubt that there'd be enough people able to independently verify within the Republic that there's been no decrease in traffic from certain places to cause a problem. Those that know would presumably be fairly high-up in the food chain, so to speak, and those that aren't are unlikely to be able to shout any louder than the people who are being told to suppress them.

Information is going to come and go, and you're not going to be able to control that perfectly, but they've likely got enough control to make sure that viewpoints that run counter to the "Jovian Stronk" idea aren't going to get much air-time, or be taken particularly seriously. Who would you believe? The guy who heard something from someone on Europa? Europa, which is full of transhumans, by the way, who think that dolphins and software are people.

Still, amplification of a real incident, I agree, is probably the best way to go.

>>50265583
The issue is rumors or people chatting idly.

Space Firce enforces Jovian trade laws which means boarding and inspecting vessels.

What happens when the off duty ensigns who do the inspection talk about the supposed lunar crisis and notice it does not match up with the loads of trade goods on lunar craft they inspect?


If they talk about how weird this is it can start bad rumors that undermine government authority and make it easier for an internal faction to further weaken the established government by exposing their lie.

>>50265003
"Talking shit" is not a rebuttal.

>>50264497
Does that term trigger you?

>>50264712
They're anarchists. They're already extremists.

>>50264722
>There's a reason why the AA and Scum are not considered one faction.
Most scum are in the AA

>>50265819
What unabashed kikery from you.

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>>50265237
Because they're piles of straw carefully disguised as people.

>>50265819
>They're anarchists. They're already extremists.
What a fucking straw man argument. Why would they be extremists? I know I wouldn't in the same place. I know that hatred solves nothing and wouldn't waste any energy being a terrorist.

>>50265726
>If they talk about how weird this is it can start bad rumors that undermine government authority and make it easier for an internal faction to further weaken the established government by exposing their lie.
Or they could just keep it to themselves out of fear. Besides, who says there isn't an underground resistance forming?

>>50265727
Neither is calling someone an "Idealistic shit".

>>50267817
There were multiple posts quoted. I was one of them.