Warhammer 40,000 general

>>50200355
Puritan

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thorians

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Amalathian

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Monodominant

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Anomolian_Beholders

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ardentities

>>50200362
Heretical

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Antiquarti

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xenos_Hybris

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xanthism

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Seculos_Attendous

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Revivificators

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Recongregationism

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Polypsykana

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Phaenonites

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Casophilians

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horusians

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Istvaanism

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Libricars

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oblationists

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ocularians

First for Orks

>>50200362
Go Thorian or go home. Vandire btfo.

>>50200412
Such is the live of i2

What are the melee armies in 40k?


NOT SO FAST ORKS!

>I2

>>50200412
Fuck yes, let's make this thread great again!

>>50200355
I guess I'd be an Ordo Hereticus. A SoB as a acolyte on my right and techpriest on my right.
>>50200362
Thorian.

Cypher did nothing wrong.

>>50200429
Bangles
Furries
Genestealer Cult
Harlequins
Chaos Daemons
Maybe Chaos Marines, not sure on that one.

>>50200455
Aren't Plague Marines the only good option in the CSM dex? I keep hearing this and need confirmation.

>>50200445
>he thinks Cypher is one person

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Just bought that on eBay
Show me your last acquisitions /tg/

>>50200495
No. Nurgle Bikers.

From last bread:

You figure any marines ever retired? I don't mean died, I mean settled down a raised orphans or grew crops on some backward planet or something.

>>50200455
Chaos marines and dark eldar are 'in theory' close combat armies.

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>>50200497
This is the price I would have paid if I ordered on GW's website
(but some minis are OOP so fck gw)

>>50200495
Only good units in CSM are:
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Sorcerer

Mediocre units are:
Plague Marines
Heldrakes
Daemon Prince
Maulerfiends

Everything else is shit.

>>50200495

That's outdated information. It's all about Sorcerers and Cultists these days.

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Ideal loadout for a Deathwatch Kill Team for GW KT? Two bikers included in the whole mess.

>>50200497
Freshly assembled drones and their dedicated controller pending a cleanup, plus an actually-based Ghostkeel I bought and assembled a day or two ago (pictured- it's just stealthy)

>>50200495
Cultists are pretty great for bullet shields
Obliterators and Helldrakes are infamous for a reason
Nurgle Bikers are still great
Noise Marines and Plague Marines are some of the best MEQ's in the game
A good deal of the forge world units are pretty good and the Fire Raptor is better than the loyalist version for what its worth.
Their formations are pretty ok, we got it better than Guard, Orks. BA and Death watch as far as formations are concerned

>>50200518
Nah. Well, some Fallen try to blend in with Imperial society as best as they can. Maybe that counts.
>>50200533
>>50200532
>>50200511
Thanks.

>want to play games
>work second shift until 12:30

Life is suffering.

>>50200548
*Death Watch

>>50200547
Shotguns and bolters, plasma on the bikers

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Tau getting a Tiger Shark reboot to go along with the Barracuda reboot.

>>50200497
Thinking about picking up bangles on eBay but the weapon options are retarded.
>predator with tl las and heavy bolters
>10 man tactical squad with regular flamer, power fist n bolt pistol Sargent
>scout Sargent with sniper and power fist
>assault squad with flamer and combi plasma
>tactical Sargent with thunder hammer and all of the squad has been modelled with flamer/plasma/inferno pistols
Maybe they're selling them because they realised what a mistake they made.

>>50200598
You can't put plasma on Deathwatch bikers, only power weapons.

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>>50200618
This pleases me, I love those units
And I love even more that Orks and Tyranids still get nothing

>>50200548
>Obliterators
>infamous
>plague marines
>some of the best MEQs
?

>>50200644
DELTET THIS!!

>>50200690
B-b-b-but a 70 point lascannon is a great deal! How can other armies even compete?

Obliterators, Termicide, and the Raptor Talon formation would both be loads better if we had some way to manipulate reserves and mitigate scatter.

>>50200690
>being surprised that /tg/ is still stuck in 2011

What wins in duel betwen Manta and Warlord Titan?

>The Phalanx defied description. Ship was not a big enough word for the home of the Imperial Fists. Fortress made no allowance for its grace and ability to travel between the stars. It could be defined in several ways: as fortress-monastery, temple, relic, the single biggest warp-capable object in all the Imperium, a symbol of Imperial might, battle-fortress. But none adequately captured the reality in words. Human speech was too limited.

The Phalanx is bigger than the rock?

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>>50200706

>>50200723
Lore or TT?

Which space marines are the niggest?

>>50200723
Warlord gets to slap 8 D shots on it a turn, manta can do 2. Table-top-wise it would be the Warlord but it has an 800 point advantage over the Manta.
Lore-wise? Tau deploy a dozen Mantas and a thousand stormsurges, riptides, and supremacy armors and destroy the warlord titan and its accompanying legion without loss

>>50200752

How is this even a question? It's obviously the Salaniggers

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>>50200752

What chapter tactics would I use for marines meleviolent?
What's the best way to list tailor them against a fluffy salamanders army?

Deathwatch Killteam for GW KT, 3 bikers and 5 vets (one with shotgun, rest with boltguns) or 2 bikes and 6 vets (4 with boltguns, 1 with shotgun, 1 with Stalker pattern bolter)

>>50200840
>What chapter tactics would I use for marines meleviolent?

Either IF or whichever one you want. Carcharodons seems like a good fit because MM like brawls and everyone hates them.

>>50200497
Bought a devastator squad to celebrate earning some money. My Imperial Fists could always use more big guns.

>>50200495
>list tailoring against a fluffy salamanders army
Scum.

>>50200853
Shotguns are free, every un-upgraded veteran can replace their bolter with a shotgun, and their close combat weapon with a boltgun.

>>50200840
Marines Malevolent still being dicks I see.

>>50200497
Bought 10 of the new custodies for 60usd.

>>50200897

FUCK YOU GW GIVE ME SHOTGUNS ON MY VANILLA MARINES

So what's the deal with Johnny? I mean yeah, he's got a rad pose and beakies are fucking awesome, but is there a nice big info dump on the guy? I thoroughly enjoy all johnny-related posts but I feel like I'm missing something.

>>50200618

Wasn't that thing why GW and Forge World agreed the Tau needed better ground Lords of War?

>>50200909
Regular shotguns suck, deathwatch guns are only better because they get the special ammo.

>>50200789
>>50200723
In the Blades of Damocles, a Manta, IIRC, one shots a warlord titan.

>>50200945
Not totally unbelievable, Longstrike kills a Warhound by shooting it in the head

>>50200897
I've modeled them to be specific due to WYSIWYG and it's a league with fluffy stuff. Idk how to model a shotgun and a boltgun so it's one or the other for me.

>>50200975
I did my vets holding the shotgun with a bolter clamped to their belt.

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350 USD for an exorcist from China
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/25mm-Warhammer-40K-WDS-painted-Sisters-of-Battle-Exorcist-p12-/281771414235?hash=item419ae292db:g:8FMAAOSwu4BVyqSR

>>50200875
Check the post numbers >>50200840
Is the one you're looking for.

>>50200957

Wasn't that the event that wasn't even in the lore proper for the T'ros Campaign?

>>50200999
i'll probably do that when I get my second box of deathwatch. But for now I can't decide on a veteran with the stalker bolter or another biker.

>>50201003

You have morons on ebay paying over $100 for a fucking immolator.

>>50201003
Not even the right type, the exorcist is 25mm.

>>50201008
Well, they added it in.

Now Taros features two examples of titans being one shotted at long range. I guess that makes using the titans against the Tau unwise.

>>50200875
>>50200902
I want to play the dick dastardly of marines, piss yellow with only the most annoying tactics.

Skyhammer with grav-cannons, assault marines with power sword n bolt pistol sargents to tear him his marines and maybe one squad with melta bombs and an evisorator for his preacious land raider.
Or maybe, because it's equipped with flame throwers, it would be funnier to immobilise it with grav and have it sit there uselessly all game?

Librarian conclave for, not sure what psychic powers other than invisibility.
Biker captain so I can take all bikes as troops.

Give me some other ideas.

>>50201022
flip a coin

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>>50200725
Yes

The Rock is like Castle Greyskull on some rolling hills.

The Phalanx is like Hogwarts stacked on multiple King's Landing(s) then the bottom half is that but reversed.

>>50201076

Heads = Stalker bolter
Tails = Biker

2/3 ended up being biker. So I guess i'll try the biker for now, although the sniper is VERY useful for fighting space marines due to ap 2 shots on sixes.

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>>50201055

>I guess that makes using the titans against the Tau unwise

I think Titans of any kind usually have a good track record against the Tau.

I recall the Ork Stompas with the forcefields shrugging off the worst the Tau could throw at them on two separate occasions.

>>50201098
In kill team you'll never need better than AP3 and you get that with vengeance rounds anyhow

>>50200374
Drop the missiles and grenades from the squads. You won't hit shit with BS3 and small templates.

I you want to have fun, use the points for a Weapon squad with a demo charge and put it in your Vendetta.
Drop your imperial jihadists onto the biggest baddie/blob on the table and put a big fuck you template on it.

>>50201124

At 18 inch range, and needs to be 9 for rapid fire. With a sniper I can put 2 of those shots down range at 24'

>>50201156
then use the sniper or make both models and swap them out at will

>>50201168

It's for a league so I can't really 'swap them out' as it's persistent, unless the judge would allow it, which would kind of make sense. I could just say 'he got off his bike and grabbed his stalker bolter' or 'the bikes being repaired so he's using a stalker bolter instead'

>>50201121
That's the Rust Wars. Almost 300 years before the Tau saw the need to develop anti-titan weaponry and created dozens of weapon system designed to kill titans.

You are making the classical mistake of thinking the Tau are in a bubble of stasis like the Imperium.

What's your expectation about coming Time of Ending? Will it be good, shitty, or OK?

>>50200497
Bought two Imperial Knights and Codex, for the great low price of $275.96!
my wife is going to kill me

>>50201205
We have been in the Time of Ending since 3th ED. It's just the period between when behemoth invaded and the start of the 13th Black Crusade.

What you mean is the End Times which take place after 999 41K. What will happen? We have the Black Crusade series (Book 1 is Traitor's Hate) to tell us. My guess is that he loyalists will manage to stop the Daemon Cage from exploding but Abaddon will find what he seeks in the core of the Eye of Terror.

>>50200789
Doesn't the manta not get hit by the blasts? I know you fire at regular ballistic skill but it's still a flyer.

>>50201205
>>50201242
My bad, I was thinking about End Times.
That's near Eye of Terror, but what about Octarian sector, Attack on Fenris(propabli they will summon Magnus there), what about Tau, Commoragh, Eldar defending Black Library from Ahriman?

>>50201008
That's the genius of propoganda. Only one of the four warlord titans on Taros was destroyed, and it was killed by an airstrike from Tigersharks.

Years later, though, Longstrike is the one credited with the kill.

At least he /actually/ fucked up Pask.

>>50201281
Also I forgot about Carnage on Cadia.

>>50201205
It will some suck so much that GW will either apologize or admit that they tried their hardest to make it suck.

>>50201205
desu I think the last races left on the galaxy are Orks, Necrons and Tyranids.

They have the tenacity. And once they're the only ones left, they dont feed chaos, its dead.
So at a point, chaos actually needs to ally itself with the imperium/tau/eldar, just so they could have something to feed on. Which in itself is unthinkable.
Or chaos needs to become the bulwark to protect the materium, and could you see that happening?

In the end, galaxy will become simple biomass in the hive fleet, before it moves on.

>>50201310
Orks feed chaos, they don't feed it as much as some other races but they aren't necrons/nids.

>>50201281
>Octarian sector

Ghaz saved it from being overrun. Leviathan responded by sending two more tendrils to the region. Ghaz is still fighting there but he has his Meks working on a teleporter than can teleport him all the way from there to Armageddon.

>Attack on Fenris(propabli they will summon Magnus there)

Happens before the 13th Black Crusade. The Wolves confirmed to survive and move on to take command of the Imperial forces defending the Cadian Gate.

>what about Tau,

Behind a wall of fire.

-Civil strife with the Enclaves.
-Possible Tyranids invasion
-The Mon'tshaar prophecy

That's what they are looking forward to.

>Commoragh

Vect and Malys are prep for the Gate of Khaine disaster.

>Eldar defending Black Library from Ahriman

The Death Masque had Eldrad recruit some harlequins defending the Black Library. This left the Black Library under-defended.

>>50201196
And then the Tau up and decided that these anti-titan weapons weren't good enough and started building their own. Why? Heck if I know, I thought the idea of a faction not using titans in a universe in love with titans would be kind of cool.

>>50201310
Don't kid yourself. The lore points as Chaos as the main threat that all should ally against. All Chaos aims to destroy all life, space, and time in the galaxy.

>>50201310
You seem to be dismissing Chaos? Why?

With the Emperor dead most human psykers will become conduits for the warp. The eye will expand and with Terra and Mars destroyed, no Astronomican and noone left holding them back chaos will flood reality.

>>50201295
They knocked out his tank. Not very impressive, as even in his own codex it's mentioned that Pask gets his tanks shot out from under him all the time.

It makes me wonder if the Leman Russ has some sort of crazy-good crew-survivability feature. Not very guardsmen of it, but the lore does mention executioners used in the Dark Age of tech, so I guess maybe back then they actually did care for their tank crews. Either that, or Pask is a favored deciple of Tzeench.

>>50201343
>The Wolves confirmed to survive and move on to take command of the Imperial forces defending the Cadian Gate.
Not arguing with you however I think its pretty much confirmed that the 13 BC is going to get retconned again. So things like Lorgar commanding the Imperial forces and Ahriman getting repulsed might be getting changed.

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>>50201350
There are lots of people who think that instead of a Gargantuan Monstrous Creature, it should have been a Gargantuan Monstrous Skimmer. Same model otherwise. I know people with the Chapterhouse walker that are using it as a Supremacy suit.

>>50201402
ejector seat

>>50201402
It has a battle between two tank commanders and one proved to be a master and the other a novice.

Pask forces outnumbered Longstrike dude's many many times over and yet this advantage availed him not. Longstrike used superior tactics and grit to overcome his disadvantage and emerge victorious.

>>50201357
Uh, no? That would kill the Chaos Gods, who feed on that life and the emotions it creates.

The Chaos gods want anarchy. They want lawless, limitless societies ruled over by scheming warlords and devoid of any antiseptics.

>>50201406
>Not arguing with you however I think its pretty much confirmed that the 13 BC is going to get retconned again. So things like Lorgar commanding the Imperial forces and Ahriman getting repulsed might be getting changed.

Dude, I was referring to the 7th ED Wolf codex (the came out at the same time as Curse of the Wulfen) saying that the Wolves went to Cadia and Logan took over the command. It's the final entry in the codex timeline. It's one of things that didn't change from the old 13th Black Crusade.

>>50201431
Nice headcanon but the rulebooks and Chaos dexes say different about the final outcome and goal of Chaos.

Chaos will obliterate all life in the galaxy as well as reality. In end, only Chaos will remain eternal.

>>50201431
>That would kill the Chaos Gods
Why do you think this? How would the Chaos gods die from subsuming reality? Look to the eye and the civilizations that survive there.

>>50201402
Longstrike out-tankcommander'd Pask. They had a tank duel, and Pask lost. But of course, due to the RIDICULOUS MARY SUE PLOT ARMOR OF THE FACTION, Pask escapes and manages to evacuate, despite railgun fluff liquifying tank crews through sheer thermobarometrics.

My FLGS is having a event called Tanksgiving where you bring in vehicles for a giant free for all 10x12 board (I think). I'm new to 40k still so what should I buy for space marines.

>>50201441
>Dude, I was referring to the 7th ED Wolf codex
Sweet I haventy actually read that one Might mean that Logan is safe in that regard. Like I said I wasnt arguing thats the fluff. Im just expecting big changes to the 13BC again.

>>50200723
Manta every time on tabletop.
As a flyer none of the warlords D weapons can touch it. That leaves a potential megabolter, and the ardex weapons to hit it. Megabolter having the farthest reach at 60"

Manta has 3 twin linked long barrelled ion cannons for 9 S7 shots at 90" followed by two railshots at 110" range.

Given enough turns the Manta will shred the void shields and begin hitting the warlord with D it can't respond to as it kites the titan around the field of battle.

>>50201455
A Tau fan complaining about mary sues. I think we've reached the height of hypocrisy on this thread.

Chaos doesnt want to end, without minds and thoughts of sentient beings in materium, they are no more.

>>50201357
Without sentient life in the materium, there are no thoughts for the warp. They just are extinguished, like a flame without oxygen.

>>50201357
Chaos is an intety that cant exist without others.
Its their job to make them suffer, but keep on going. Herding them like cattle, but never destroying.

Tyranids will end it all.
Nothing can stop the unfeeling, fearless swarm.

Chaos is not eternal, it ends, when everything else does, immortality for them is an illusion, a gift to bribe the weak. So that they could bring more suffering, before 'Nids consume it all.

And then the 'Nids leave. Time looses its meaning for a dead and barren galaxy. End times took what was theirs

>>50201503
Again, nice headcanon. The rulebooks and codexes, not just the Chaos ones, say different.

>>50201503
I wonder what army this guy spent hundreds of dollars on.

>>50201477
>Logan is safe in that regard.

And Ragnar and Ultrik. All three of them are on Cadia.

Sucks for the Thousand Sons to have failed AGAIN.

>>50201520
IG

>>50201466
A rhino.

>>50201503
>Tyranids will end it all.
>Nothing can stop the unfeeling, fearless swarm.
The nids would not be able to enter the Eye and survive. So with Abaddons crimson path there will be large sections of the galaxy that the nids wont even have a chance at.

>Black Legion supplement
>Magnus refuses to meet Abaddon. Abaddon is forced to meet with Ahriman to secure his portion of Thousand Sons

Years later

>Curse of the Wulfen comes out
>Abaddon's mysterious allies cause warpstorms all over the galaxy and help plot the downfall of the Wolves
>turns out that Abaddon's mysterious allies are Magnus and Thousand Sons

Why are the change of heart, Magnus?

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>>50201485
I just think it's funny that people bitch about Tau plot armor all the time, but shit Pask's immunity is embraced.

Also... CAPTCHA, THAT IS A FUCKING CIRCLE. IT HAS LITERALLY ZERO VERTICIES. FUCK YOU AND YOUR POINT-TO-POINT SELECTION.

Skyhammer Annihilation Force
-Assault Squad (5) - 115pts
Jump packs, Melta Bomb, Eviscerator
-Assault Squad (5) - 125pts
Jump packs, Veteran Sergeant, Power sword, Combat shield, 2 Flamers
-Devastator Squad (5) - 150pts
Combi-grav, 2 Grav-cannons
Drop pod (1) - 35pts (Dedicated Transport)
-Devastator Squad (5) - 100pts
Combi-melta, 2 Multi-meltas
Drop pod (1) - 35pts (Dedicated Transport)

Combined Arms Detachment
-Captain (1) - 160pts
Space marine bike, Combi-grav, RelicBlade, Storm Shield
-Bike Squad (3) - 93pts
Grav-guns
-Tactical Squad (10) - 170pts
-Combi-melta, Meltagun, Heavy bolter
Razorback (1) - 80pts (Dedicated Transport)
Twin-linked assault cannon, Dozer blade
-Tactical Squad (5) - 90pts
Combi-melta, Meltagun
Drop pod (1) - 35pts (Dedicated Transport)

Librarius Conclave
-Librarian (1) - 110pts
Psyker Master Level 2, Space marine bike, force axe
-Librarian (1) - 110pts
Psyker Master Level 2, Space marine bike, force axe
-Librarian (1) - 90pts
Psyker Master Level 2, Force sword

Two librarians go with the bikes as well as the captain, one goes with the 5 man tactical squad.
Turn one drop pods and assault marines rain down on him and break all his toys.

>>50201530
>Sucks for the Thousand Sons to have failed AGAIN.
>Implying
How those successor chapter coming along?

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The Chaosfag is right in the regards that Chaos hates reality and wants to destroy it. This is what happens when you give overemotional parasitic balls of emotion the personalities of spoiled brats who know no restraint.

Thinking of starting a nurgle daemon army that I can also utilize in fantasy/aos
seems like nurglings are more useful than plaguebearers largely, am I wrong?

>>50201603
>>50201603
>Why are the change of heart, Magnus?
>plot the downfall of the Wolves
Really this surprises you?

Abaddon just changed his plans to get Magnus on board.

>>50201611
Pretty sure that the successor marines turned out to be normal marines without the Canis geneseed . This was something the Wolves didn't want anyways since it would mean that the legecy of Russ would die.

>>50201592
They dont need to, they just need to eat everything around it that is even slightly sentient.
Again, its like taking oxygen away from a flame. Chaos just wanes away. Eventually without the said fuel, the chaos gods will absorb their daemons into themselves for sustenance, until there is nothing left, but a withered god, clinging onto its last raspy breaths.

No excess or hedonism for Slaanesh, no bloodlust, murder or war for Khorne, no nature or stagnancy for Nurgle, no schemes or intelligence for Tzeentzh.

>>50201530
>>50201441
>>50201343
Maybe GW forget to update their codex, for example when i was reading Blood Angels codex they forget to add inforamtion that librarian can use new psyhic dyscypilnes(librarius) they add information about this 70 pages later(but their don't update librarian's profile), so there is very big chance their just forget to update fluff.

>>50201350

I think lore wise they realized they needed to adapt .

Having all of your anti-Titan weapons mounted on Flyers makes you easy to counter as the enemy knows what to expect and has a response waiting on it.

>>50201295
Newest codex makes zero mention of his Warhound kill on Taros.

>>50201636
>normal marines without the Canis geneseed
I thought it was a blend. So the warp resistance but no wolfwolfing. I could be wrong battle of the fang was one of the worst 40k books I've read so I dont recall it that well.

>the legecy of Russ would die.
Becuase this is 40k depending on the source Russ wanted to surround the Eye with successors. So this was a pretty big blow for the Imperium.

>>50201624

And They Shall Know No Restraint

>>50201639
>Again, its like taking oxygen away from a flame. Chaos just wanes away.
The fluff states otherwise. And once again you are forgetting that civilizations survie inside the Eye. Civilizations that worship think and are sentient. The Gods would survive just fine.

Show me some fluff that states the Gods would die? I've never seen anything that states that.

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>>50200789
>implying the titan legions don't have everything from knights to several warlords and countless of skitarii regiments and cult mechanicus supporting them
>implying the tau are brave enough to face a full maniple
>implying the scout warhound titans of the maniple aren't enough to wreck most of those things
>implying reavenant titans aren't overkill when they finally show up
>implying a century hardened warlord would fall to such obvious trap
> implying tau are even worth the deployment of an imperator titan
Tau fags at e too full of themselves

>>50201686
And there we have CSM their own ATSKNF. It fits with that lore about how CSM have nothing but contempt for life.

Could a 750 Tau Army of two Devil Fish 10 Man Strike Teams w/ Pulse Rifles, one of them with a Hover Drone Ethereal with 2x Equilizers and Recon Armour then two units of two Piranhas work?

Maybe some Broadsides later on but besides that I just want some Pathfinders.

>>50201723
No anti tank might be a problem. Also most of the stuff on Ethereal is useless.

>>50200922

Please, that agreement never happened. GW saw how well DKs sold despite their ugliness, so they started making Riptides and WKs and when those started selling, they made the Stormsurge and Ta'unar and giant AoS crap.

Or do you really think AAALLLLLL these giant models came about JUST because of the Tigershark, Barracuda, and Manta?

>>50201723

That's a pretty weak list. The Piranhas are good units but they're too frail to carry an entire army like that. I would start with the Broadsides and then add Piranhas rather than the other way around.

Marker drones will be better than Pathfinders.

>>50201742
True, maybe just use two Piranahs and get a Hammerhead?

>‘They are called the Grey Knights,’ said Veritus. ‘They are a force of warriors without peer, engineered from gene-seed taken from the Emperor Himself a thousand years ago. A last, parting gift from our god before He was taken from us to sit upon His Golden Throne.’

>‘They are Adeptus Custodes then?’ Wienand rubbed her hand along the wood. Whereas the bench in the Sigillite’s Retreat was smooth and dry, the grain of this wood was rough under her touch, the strands of lignin still swollen with moisture. Although dead, it smelt fresh; a sense of life still clung to it.

>‘They are greater than the Adeptus Custodes,’ said Veritus. ‘Each one is a potent psyker. Their strength is in their brotherhood. As the end approached, the Emperor foresaw a need for warriors who could stand against Chaos, incorruptible and mighty, and He made them so, the mightiest warriors beside the primarchs He ever created. For them, the daemon holds no fear. I believe that, in time, the Emperor hoped mankind would realise its psychic potential, avoid the catastrophe that struck the eldar, and end the threat of Chaos forever. In the Grey Knights, I see hope for the future. They are the pinnacle of what we could be.’

>‘The eldar are psychic by nature. From what they have hinted, that sped their destruction. They tell me that we have already fallen. The Dark Age of Technology was our era of might, and even then we could not match their empire of old. They persisted for millions of years, we for mere thousands and now we slowly die.’ She thought of the Sigillite’s Retreat as she said that.

>‘We rose again, and we can rise a third time. They are the spent force, not us,’ said Veritus. ‘We must believe this, or we are doomed. When you see the Grey Knights, you will understand that there is hope.’

-Beast series : The Beheading (final book)

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>>50200497
Pretty happy with these ones. The marine squads aren't that well painted, but nothing that can't be fixed in an afternoon.

Especially happy about the Tech-Priest Dominus. Under 5€ for basically a fresh one is a bargain.

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>>50200935
>>50200945
>BL
>canon
Here is your (you)

>>50201779
More confirmation that Grey Knight are made from the Emprah's geneseed. Also look at how the inquisitor lady responds. Does this confirm that Custodes are also descended from the Emprah's flesh? anyways, is it true that the Grey Knight are better than Custodes? Someone check their stats.

>>50200752
Celestial Lions are canonically meant to be niggers.

>>50201779
>‘They are greater than the Adeptus Custodes,’

BL pls

>>50201466
what are you up against?

I run an Ordo Chronos game of DH2. Pretty fun. It's like 40k 12 Monkeys.

>>50201672
It's right there on his fuckin datasheet.

>>50201782

Get out of here with your commas for decimals gobbledygook, Euro-Anonymous!

>>50201790
Like it or not, it's canon.

And by the way, it's written by Phil Kelly. That makes it double canon!

>>50201466
Is it only vehicles or does it include infantry?

Are fliers also allowed?

>>50201815
>Tanksgiving
>bring in vehicles
>DOES IT INCLUDE INFANTRY

Really?

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>>50201811

>>50201770
I'd go for missile or fusion suits, but you could go for some unconventional solutions like max seeker missiles on everything, fusions on piranhas and missile pod turrets on fire warriors. Hope that the 8 seekers alpha strike deals with whatever armor there is in 750p games.
Also emp warriors for memes.

>>50201466
what kinds of vehicles? is it just other tanks or are walkers included?

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>>50200497
Plan on running 10 custodes + Sigismund + Medicae Consul in this baby.

Is the brotherhood of nod just a genestealer cult?

>>50201855

I hope FW's Custode upgrades look fucking awesome. Their Skitarii upgrades made the models look a billion times cooler.

>>50201860
No.

>>50201869
Custodes in catapractii armor when

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>>50201639
>Again, its like taking oxygen away from a flame. Chaos just wanes away.
Confirmed lore pleb.

>>50201813
>Like it or not, it's canon.
False, the thousand sons novel was plunged into the dirt by GW themselves when BoP was released, by these facts we can assume only GW published fluff is canon, since they have no qualms to affirm otherwise in their lore.

>>50201888
I think they will get their unique variant of terminator armour instead of cataphractii.

>>50201848
I would say Vehicle only, no walkers, fliers, or bike/jetbikes. Skimmers are probably OK because that's the only way three of the factions can participate. For nids, probably would have to specifically limit it to whatever MC is supposed to actually be a tank.

Also, don't forget the Tank aces from Mont'ka

>>50201916
>the thousand sons novel
This book just got re-released with up to date lore changes apparently. For example Thousand Sons now have around 80,000 marines with only 10,000 on Prospero when the wolves turn up.

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>>50201938

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>>50200497
Bought a Knight Errant for $85 shipped on the ebay flash sale on Wednesday.

>>50201939
Was just going to say that.

>>50201916
You do know that HH series novels get updated each time they change the lore? GW plans to make the series the definitive telling of the HH for all time.

>>50201466
predators are probably the best anti tank vehicles

>>50201963
>Was just going to say that.
Have you got the hardcover? Im really looking for the exact changes but I cant be bothered buy the book.

I cant find the list of changes anywhere just gouding talking about it.

>>50201998
No, I don't.

But there is a solution. Pirate an old copy from the web and then buy the updated version from BL.

compare them with each other.

>>50202016
>buy the updated version from BL.
>Buy
See my problem. I've already got he old book. I dont wanna spend money just to read 4 or so edited lines.

>>50202028
It's just like 15 bucks. That's like a kids meal at McDonalds.

>>50202049
Fine. Do you know which ebook version has the updated fluff? Some of the sources I've read refer only to the hardbacks.

>>50201888
>yfw there's already a Custodes Contemptor master sculpt being put into production

>>50201455
>doesn't know of the Emperor's deliverance
Even the surest blade or the sharpest shoot and even the deadliest poison will be found wanting before the Emperor's servants.

>>50201466

Same here. Bringing an Ordinatus.

>>50201455
>RIDICULOUS MARY SUE PLOT ARMOR OF THE FACTION

tau fag, look at your own faction before you talk about the imperium of man

2000pt Game of DA vs Tzeentch/Slanesh Daemons with Nurgle CSM Ally and a KDK Gorepack tomorrow
He doesn't play too much summoning but I do expect a single 300pt+ Daemon Prince, a Soul Grinder and two or three Tzeentch Chairots. Also a two good sizd units of the screamers. Fair chance of a heldrake and Nurgle Bikers with a minimal Cultist Squad and a Sorcerer on Bike.
I want to bring:

A Ravenwing Strike Force (880pts)

Two level 2 Biker Libs (110ea)
Two units of 5 Black Knights (200ea)
A Ravenwing Command Squad with Apothecary and RW Banner (250)

A Demi Company (859):

Jump Pack Chap (105)
7 Assault Marines with Jump Packs (119)
10 Devastator Marines with 4 Missile Launchers (200pts)
Three units of 5 Tactical Marines in Razorbacks with Assault Cannons (145ea)

2 Ravenwing Attack Squadron (130 ea)

Multi Melta Attack Bike (55)
Double Multi Melta Landspeeder (75)

1999/2000

>>50202095
No idea. You got to try your luck.

Or send an email to BL.

How does one deal with a Stompa? Local ork player picked one up and it worries me.

What is the best kind of knight, Forgeworld or regular, to bring with a basic Space Marine Demi Company?

>>50201455
Pask fucking murders longstrike though in pure numbers

>>50201939
>70,000 marines off planet
> implying any TS marine that wasn't present during the rubric of ahriman survived the flesh changes
Great there are ships full of chaos spawns floating everywhere-

What are the viable CSM lists? I've seen that guy post the supposed "ITC codex rankings" that has CSM near the middle of the pack, but what lists are doing that? The only lists that I've been able to find that placed well were either actually Renegades lists listed as CSM or just had a Cyclopia Cabal attached to some other codex.

>>50202148
As with everything else in the Ork book, its the shittiest LoW out there. Point any other LoW at it and it'll fall apart fast enough.

Hello, I'm thinking of getting into 40k but was wondering on how the gameply is. I really like strategy board games like deplomacy, risk, and axis and allies. In 40k is there a lot of strategy involved or is the games focus more on the lore and cool minitures.

>>50202166
Burning of Propero happens 2 years before Istvaan 3. Plenty of time to group up at the planet of sorcerers.

Friendly reminder that 1/8 of the TS legion wiped out half the SW with custodes and SoS support.

>>50202171

Pysker spam, Cultist min tax, superheavy. Most CSM lists that do well will have Daemon allies.

>>50202148
What army do you play?

>>50202126
Why? Your faction existed before the Taufags did.
I learned it by watching you, Dad.

>>50202166
Nice headcanon. We'll see how they handle the Thousand Sons diaspora, but I'm very doubtful that it's just going to be "lol they all spawn now, Sons BTFO!."

At least one group manages to survive to 40k as pretend loyalists.

>>50202183

You're looking for chit and map style wargames or some other miniature wargame if you're looking for that kind of strategy. 40k is pretty braindead when it comes to strategy. Most of the gameplay is just having fun with models or abusing the most overpowered rules and loopholes in short term tactics. The end strategy of every 40k army is "have a better army than the other guy" and either kill everything or end up on more objectives than him.

>>50202201
>At least one group manages to survive to 40k as pretend loyalists.

Not if ADB has his way.

>>50202190
So? Most of them were warping uncontrollably into full spawns during the battle of Prospero, how would they survive warp travel to the planets of sorcerers?

>>50202229
>how would they survive warp travel to the planets of sorcerers?
Not sure if trolling?

Magnus 'solved' the flesh change and only Tzeentch's trolling counteracted this. The BoP had the Sons overloading because Tzeentch was fucking them over. Older fluff had them doing just fine at the Seige of Terra and only when why went back to the Planet of Soreceres was the Rubric necessary.

>>50202201
>Bludh raivenz are totally thousand sons guys
Talking about headcanon

>>50202229
During the Battle of Prospero, the entire legion was pretty much going super saiyan trying to defend the planet. It's unlikely that groups that weren't spamming spells like a motherfucker would have suffered the same rate of degeneration.

Arvida and his group were pretty much fine in the short story Rebirth at least until Kharn got involved but even then they weren't going full Flesh Change.

>>50202229
There's too much weight behind it. While I doubt they'll ever make the connection fully explicit, I very much doubt that they'll retcon it because of one butthurt mediocre Black Library author.

>>50202201
>"lol they all spawn now,

The Loyalist TS with the White Scars was KO'ed by the Flesh Change and he was far way from any of the Prosporo business.

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So Death From the Skies is a mandatory update. How many of you actually play using it, though?

>>50202206
Is there some strategy needed for things like army composition and things like that?

>>50202281
>So Death From the Skies is a mandatory update.

It's not.

>How many of you actually play using it, though?

No one.

>>50202148
Use Shadowsword and make him cry like little bitch.

>>50202281
i wouldn't call it mandatory, but suggested. i don't own any flyers (might pick up a crimson hunter at some point) but i haven't seen it played against me yet.

>>50202281
Across maybe a dozen game stores through several states, I've only ever had someone try use it once, and that was because he wanted to dog fight my Dreadclaws.

>>50202206
It's true that a lot of 40k match-ups are decided largely during list construction, but there's still a lot of tactics and skill needed to win when the match-up isn't overwhelmingly in one guy's favor.

>>50202269
Honestly, I don't really see how people can doubt it in the face of Rebirth.

>>50202287

I only do when the other person is ok with it.

>>50202197

Admech. Skitarii and Admech. I do have an Imperial Knight.

I have 200 neodymium magnets (2x0,5mm)
Is it dumb to magnetize all my characters? Like all the swords so I can switch between Eviscerator, Power Sword or a Chainsword?
Does anyone has experience about magnetizing small pieces?

Building a CSM army. Got the Get Started box and another box of tacticals. So far I have

1 Terminator lord
20 CSM
1 Hellbrute
1 Rhino

What's my next buy? I'd like to stay away from "tourney winning cheese" as my regular opponents are good friends and family who prefer variety to mathematical certainty.

>>50201480
Pretty sure the Manta gets shot at as though it wasn't flying.

>>50202397
what god are you interested in?

>>50202397
Rhinos. Sorcerers. Terminators to escort the Lord.

>>50202318

The Shadow Sword isn't really much of a threat most of the time.

A Stompa can walk over and destroy it fairly easily.

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>>50202415

That doesn't apply to Flyers though unless they're in hover mode.

Otherwise the Blast cant hit the Manta as it's a Flyer.

>>50202430
So you are telling me taht Volcano cannon 120 range s D AP2 primary weapon 1 large blast that can destroy stompa with one shot is not a threat?
So what is a threat?

>>50202467
True, although you can mess with a zooming manta pretty easily unless you have a massive table as it's forced to move at least 18".

>>50202347
dude, you can spam haywyre and grab like a motherfucker, even the haywire the skitarii have they can deal with most of the work stuff.

>>50202483
You're relying entirely on rolling a 6 in order to kill the stompa.

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>want to start a marine army
>so many options to choose from
>no matter what I choose I will regret that I didn't choose another
Who is you favorite chapter?

Having some trouble with what to do with my Eldar.
So far I have a wraithhost plus one extra Wraithknight. Any suggestions on how to extend my army? Are harlequins a good option?

>>50202333
>Honestly, I don't really see how people can doubt how I interpret a deliberately ambiguous canon
FTFY

>>50202564
Burn them and buy a fair army.

>>50202573
Nah lad. I like the look of the army. Also I drink the tears of my enemies. My best mate said he can destroy my eldar with mephiston. Is right right in saying that?

>>50202525
You can make another shot next turn, but one shoting stompa with two 6 in very nice option.

Always you can tak Warlord Titan with 2 Belicosa Vulcano cannons and carapace mounted Laser Blasters. You will get 8 Str D shots.

>>50202483

Well, you're relying on a 6 to one shot the thing.

And even if you get that six, you aren't guaranteed to destroy it outright.

Plus anyone with any sense is going to have a Big Mek aboard with the KFF ++5 or MFF ++4.

>>50202368
I've magnetized my pathfinders to swap between ion rifles and rail rifles. Easy job if you have a right sized drill. Getting the small magnets in place with the right pole up can be frustrating.

>>50202589

He's retarded. He's probably still stuck in 5th edition.

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>>50202611
Could you provide some pics?
Here is one for you

Having trouble deciding how I should paint my new Sisters. I don't want to do metallic. I'm thinking red armor and purple robes, but idk yet.

Any ideas?

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>>50200497

Will finally complete my Bully Boyz.

Which armour is better? Mk IV Maximus or Mk VI Corvus?

>>50200690
Oblits aren't AMAZING, but they're lethal as fuck if your opponent underestimates them and decides to just "ignore them" to focus on more important things.

They're similar to Defilers in that regard - they're expensive as hell, but you simply cannot ignore them, and your opponent HAS to deal with them.

>>50202775
Maximus is better as armour, but corvus is more comfortable and quieter.

>>50202662
I'll see what I can do when I have access to them.

>>50202850
>Maximus is better as armour

So why were the Knights Errant kitted with MkVI?

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Doesn't look so bad now does she, guys?

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>>50202901
nice

>>50200690
>plague marines
>some of the best MEQs

To his credit, they're really good at not dying. That's about it. Their poison CCW's look great on paper, but in reality they're going to be wounding most things on at least a 4 and most likely a 3, and they're otherwise not equipped for CC. Their Blight Grenades are under-utilized, though - defensive grenades are really useful for holding objectives.

Overall, they're overcosted, but they also shouldn't be underestimated.

Noise Marines are more flexible IMO

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>>50202544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUi8Dv73hA

They might not be nearly as good as some of the others but being lunatic edgelords is really fun every now and then.

>>50202893
Maybe they liked it more?

At the end of the day, the practical difference in Power Armors is far, far more about personal preference than one being straight-up "better" than the other.

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>>50202544
TAKE THE KNOT

>>50202893
I'd say probably because it's the most knightly looking but it's also better for wearing over longer periods and the KE did do some covert missions where having quieter armour would come in handy.

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If a Captain in artificer armor is in a squad of terminators can he still perform a sweeping advance?
Or if a captain is in terminator armor in a normal squad can the squad still sweep?

>>50202986
No.

>>50203008
pity

>>50202986
Why would you put a captain in terminator armor?

Bikes/thunderwolf mount are the way to go

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>>50202874
Thank you anon!

>>50203022
Terminator armor looks cooler

>>50202893
because mkVI was developed as an "stealth" armour by the raven guard, perfect for the tasks the sigilite had for them.

>>50203022

Put the terminator on a bike.

>>50203064
>marks 1 through 5
>CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP WHIRRR CLOMP CLOMP
>mark 6
>pshhht....pshhht...
>mark 7
>CLOMP CLOMP CLANK CLOMP

Why didn't they retain the quieter servos from 6?

>>50203067
put the terminator on a bike and give him a jetpack

>>50203081
Could be any number of reasons, from cost, to reliability, to strength.

>>50203109
put the terminator on a wolf and give the wolf a jetpack.

>>50203081
Because 7 is more energy efficient and offered better protection, 6 is the "lighter" version of started power armour.

>>50203122
put the terminator on a wolf and give the wolf a rhino covered in jetpacks

>>50202347

>Haywire: The Faction worried about a Stompa

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>>50203109

>>50203133
Space Wolves already have better possessed, why not give them better Plague Drones too

Are there any danger signs I should keep my eye out for on ebay buys? Some of these prices are just too good.

>>50203064
Nope. It was developed as the next suit and carried the provincial designation of MkV, but some big name legions didn't like it and pushed it to smaller legions to fail and get buried. RG made use of the suits better than average stealth abilities and showed that it was a suit with its uses, which were improved once the armour was improved.

>>50203144
>drooping wolf held aloft by a jet turbine on each side

>>50203133
give the wolf a jetpack and give it a rhino that lands with a drop pod covered in terminators

>>50203146
>anything from China
>anything from Hong Kong
>anything from Russian Federation
>anything with a solid red cloth background
>anything from a seller who has dozens of the same non-troop model
>anything partly assembled and primed for no reason other than to hide the recasting
>anything that's not assembled but has the sprue gate blocks sawed off to hide the recasting

>>50203148
Oh!, I guess I was wrong then.

>>50203150
Just get a bigger wolf and put a howdah full of wolves on it

>>50203146
No matter what anybody says or posts as their picture it's not from Forgeworld.

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>>50203180

Five giant wolf mechs which combine into one giant mech. I'll call it...Wolftron.

>>50203190
but does it have a jetpack?

>>50203190
>TAKE THE KNOT, HERETICS

>>50203190
>Not WolfWolfWolfWolfWolftron

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>>50203190

Not much different from this imperial knight.

Fucking space wolves players really get into what they do, gotta give them that

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>>50203229
>>50203199
>>50203190
>>50203180
>>50203150
>>50203149
I hate you all.

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>>50203251

>>50203081
>IV - New standard power armour for the legions. Designs for a new set of power armour were started around this time
>V - Test phase for a new set of stealthier power armour
PROBLEMS ARISE HERE
>V again - this time it's stop gap mixed armour that requires bonding studs to hold it together, with the best suits being mostly MkIV
>VI - Tests went well, MkV is put into production under a new designation, materials are still lacking so it uses the studs to some degree
MEANWHILE, ON TERRA
>VII - MkVI is up armoured and made cheaper to produce so as to end the usage of mkV entirely amongst loyalists and provide them with better protection that the traitor legions
PROGRESSION ENDS HERE
>VII - designed for marines suffering from whiplash

>>50202419
Slaanesh, really. Not for the tits & drugs, but mostly from process of elimination. My brothers already play Khorne and Nurgle daemons and Tzeentch is kinda meh.

Failing that, maybe just Undivided.

>>50202423
Just ran a trial game against orks. Got my rhino one-shotted by power-klaw nobs, the squad inside got pinned and cut apart. The Helbrute wrapped that mess up but his Warboss Instant Death'd my Lord. Gonna have to deck him out with Eternal Warrior from now on.

>>50203328
>Got my rhino one-shotted by power-klaw nobs

F

Are there any rules that would allow me to play a chaos-ork style army?

>>50203382
Play Orks with Chaos iconography. That's about it.

>>50203382
Run Orks, bring Skarbrand?

>>50203339
First time playing with vehicles. I ran Tyranids before and I didn't know what his units did until they were in combat. We literally built these units yesterday.

>>50203392
>>50203382

I dont see why you could not throw some orks in with a chaos army and make some heretorks.

CTA rules and all means you can literally do whatever you want

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>>50203406
My first like 10 games I got steamrolled because I did not know what I was doing.

While this is expected, I could not help but wonder why my opponents felt so good and smug about it.

What joy and honor does one get from a hollow victory from a weaker opponent.

>>50203413
That's not really Chaorks, that's just Chaos with some Orks.

>>50203431
give them chaos iconography and call them converted.

Makes me think of this guy

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Tuska_Daemon-Killa

>>50203262
>new set of stealthier

According to what? Where does it say it was designed as a stealth suit?

>requires bonding studs to hold it together

No, the studs bonded extra armour on the suit to give it better protection. Same studs can be found on various other suits applying extra plating or repairs.

>VII - MkVI is up armoured and made cheaper to produce

Technically they take the design philosophy of the MkVI to its logical end. MkVI and VII are very similar and thus both continue to serve alongside each other to the 41st millennium.

So this is my current "Steel Confessors" list and I would really like to add a Knight to the army. (Mostly because I want to paint a big model and have a cool thing.)
What Knight goes best (Forgeworld included) with my list.
I know a few CSM/Orks/IG/SM players that use a knight by 1500 and I figured I could throw one in to.

Iron Hands Demi Company:

Chaplain with Jump Pack - 105

7 Assault Marines with Jump Packs - 144pts
>Includes Veteran Seargent with a Lightning Claw

10 Devastators - 200
>4 Plasma Cannons

10 Man Tactical Squad - 210
>Grav Cannon, Rhino

2x10 Man Tactical Squad - 195
>Meltagun, Combi Melta, Rhino

Iron Hands Suppression Force:

Landspeeder - 65
>Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter

2 Whirlwinds - 130

(1244/1250)

My current favorite is the Atropis and although my group is fine with forgeworld I would still need the book for the unit and am not sure which that is.
Also is the new supplement worth picking up? I really want some artillery but I do nt like the Armored Task force.

>>50203425

I used to play Tzeentch Daemons back. In 5th and recently came back I to the game. It's not even fun anymore.

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>>50200355
I just picked one of these bad boys up but i was wondering, do the arms from the venerable dreadnought fit on this guy? I ended up getting the body from someone at my lgs who had an extra one

>>50203509
Probably not but you can use a magnet easily enough

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>>50203481
>mfw I tried running CSM squads with a Tzeentch marked sorcerer in each as leaders in a T-Sons army for so long but the power creep is too much now

>>50203533

I wanted to do that with the HH boxes.

>>50203525
Oh i planned on magnets, I meant fit as if the arms would look alright on the chassis

>>50203543
I just can't stop turn 1 charges, tau shooting or better marines

>>50203559
Probably, but the claw arm is cooler.
I'm gonna be using a BA death comany dread as my chaplain dreadnought

>>50203560

Sounds about right.

I want to like 40k, but the current state of the game is pushing me further and further away.

>>50203570
I do like the Claw but I don't feel like waiting until 2017 while forgedworld processes the order.
I haven't seen that Dread got a pic?

>>50203533
Mark of Tzeentch is just too crippling. I've been doing okay with mass Sorcerers at 1500. Mass Heretek can do some work against Battle Company, and teleporting around the table for Turn 1 Assaults can be pretty juicy.

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>>50203470
For what you've got right now, the Warden or Paladin is probably the best bet. AP3 to ward off MEQs, and Rending will help deal with 2+ in a reliable fashion. The D sword will also help you in forcing your opponent to play further back, fighting D is never easy.

However, you may wanna change some things up in your list. You may want to drop the extra Devs, they aren't going to do much, and that'll get you points for a Drop Pod or Rhino. The other Tacs should probably be split up too, and 7 Assault Marines aren't terribly scary. But for a start, you're looking great. Work towards some vehicle formations (good ol' Armored Task Force is great, but the Angel's of Death stuff is pretty neat too).

Hell, maybe grab some Admech models, Skitarii will put out fantastic damage at against anything and Cult Mechanicus has some of the most Killy guns out there. And it's fluffy to boot.

Also obligatory ayyyy my nigga, always cool to see another person playing the best chapter. Mind showing your models? I've only got an old picture on me

I'm curious /40kgeneral/ What is your dream 1500 CSM exclusive list, gimmick or serious

>>50203768
Literally 1500 points of Chaos Spawn

>>50203750
>They're all heretics, Silver Johnny!

>>50203768

Off shoot Thousand Sons from the Brotherhood of Dust.

Lots of dudes on foot with lots of sorcerers, and some number of possessed, warp talons, and spawn, and a Lost and the Damned cult. Marks for certain things to signify being empowered by bound daemons.

>>50203768
I would really like a bunch of CSM bikers, a Daemon Prince, a few cultists and some Obliterators to start a Nurgle force.

>>50203801
did you ever try that in 5th when chaos spawn where outside of fast attack choices and unlimited?

>>50203768
infiltrating chaos chosen with autocannons in every squad, couple of defilers, squad of 1k sons holding center and masses of chaos spawn filling the board.

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>>50203382

Tuska's lads. They've been fighting daemons for so long that their equipment all ran out decades ago. Their armour has long been replaced by plundered sheets of daemonic-forged metal, ripped from the sundered corpses of juggernauts. Orkish hands grip serrated blades once clutched by Bloodletters, whilst whooping Biker-boyz ride into battle on purloined Skull Cannons. Icons of Khorne have been bashed into rough approximations of Orkish glyphs, gretchin have been welded inside captured Hellbrutes, the exposure to the residual Chaos taint driving them completely insane.

Leading them all is Tuska himself. Over a century of fighting endlessly against the hordes of Khorne has lead to an ork of truly titanic proportions. His armour is ripped from the bodies of the greatest foes he has bested; the Bloodthirsters of Khorne, and from the greatest of these comes his weapon too, a colossal double-handed axe, too mighty for any other Ork to wield.

>>50200909

Combine them with Boarding Shield and we have a great base for the Star Krakens on the tabletop.

>>50204080
Wish we could get an official army for these guys, khornate orks sound fun.

>>50203768
Multiple detachments of inquisition- all made up of psykers with the sanctic vortex of doom power, plus the vortex missile aquila strongpoint. I want to see how much of the battlefield i can turn into a fucking Vortex hell.

>>50204276
Woops, misread that.

>>50203425
I had a similar experience, only the people I were playing got the rules wrong.
I remember this one time
>nurgle daemons
>moving towards some sisters of battle infantry
>end turn, everything fine
>come her turn she declares she's shooting my great unclean one with melta guns and seeing as it's with 2" of my plaguebearers that means the unit is majority toughness 4
>I know it's wrong but I don't know what rule makes it so
>she gets up in my face and asks me to prove it
>I can't find a rule that explicitly rules out monsters joining infantry squads
>she instant deaths my GUO with a melta
>gets super smug about it and goes in to a lecture about how people underestimate sisters for being the obscure 'girl' faction

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>>50204321
can't relate to that but for more then a few games i was convinced that chariots counted their riders as a separate unit when being shot at by flamers so the riders get hit; i was literally helping my opponent kill my models easier

my seeker chariots still die to damn near everything i'll admit

>>50201916

>only GW published fluff is canon

BL is GW fluff. It's part of the company.

>>50203470
The Atrapos' 40k rules are available as a download on the FW site, as are all the other Knights except the Styrix, who is not 40k legal due to the Volkite Chierovile, a S8 AP3 Heavy 5 Deflagrate martian ray gun powered by marine rape.

>>50203768

Some Noise Marines with sonic blasters to move across the board and break shit in cover, a couple of five-man Noise Marine squads with a blastmaster for long range support fire, bikes with the Mark of Slaanesh and Icon of Excess to accompany the Lord, who's wielding that silly power fist/lightning claw combo. Maybe throw in a melta termicide squad. I'm sure there's a way to get this to 1500 points.

The other idea I had was maxed out Noise Marine squads of ten, using two blastmasters, 7 sonic blasters, Mark of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess, and cart them towards a destination in a rhino. Squads like that can do it all while being a massive loss of points every time the opponent hits, which will be often.

>>50204544
To be honest I don't see what's so bad about the Volkite Gun, even if it rolls literally 100% perfect it's just slightly better than the Gatling Cannon.

But oh well, I guess Volkite must just die.

>>50204599
FW demands no Volkite in 40k, as lore wise it was already extremely rare in 30k, as it was just too hard to properly make in large quantities and repair as well, so it was being phased out even just after the beginning of the Great Crusade.

FW is still pissed at GW for giving the Dominus a Volkite weapon, giving the volkite weapon rules unlike any other, and just plain detailing it wrong in the artwork.

>>50204615

They already did it to grav I don't know why FW is surprised.

>>50201898
What doe that have to do with the death of humanity's effect on daemons?

>>50204635
Yeah, but FW's fluff for 30k grav is that it's the predeccessor for 40k grav, as it was intended for mining and other operations originally, with the Graviton Imploder being the prototype of 40k grav.

>>50201855
Thatll be difficult seeing as allies cant ride in each others transports in 30k at all

>>50204657

Grav was still a mistake.

I had only read about it on here because I had nowhere to play and hadn't really played since 5th. Then, I found a place, and got to play my first game in 6 years against my friend. We played a few times, and tried to wrap out heads around the new rules, ect.

Then I found another place for cards, and just happened to bump into some people looking to play 40k. We played, and I took a full. Grav cent pod drop pod up my ass.

Fuck

That

Shit

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Hope this turns out better than last time

>>50204686
Yeah.

But Blood Bowl is coming today!

Err, well the 25th, that is.

>tfw pre-ordering Blood Bowl means that my AdMech/Mechanicum armies will have to wait.
Sadness. But some joy. But mostly sadness. But some happiness in that I'll actually be able to play this with my friends.

>>50204691
What are you casting?

>>50204707
Meganobz

>>50204697

I'm having a hard enough time finding players for 40k let alone overpriced side events. Besides, blood bowl never interested me. It's a cool concept, but I would never waste that much cash on it.

My money is already preemptively tied up in the upcoming Sisters rumors because they're what I play. Idk why I even bother because I don't have anyone to play with anyway besides those guys, who are also super flaky.

>>50204761
Yeah, but at least with Blood Bowl I can invite my more normie friends who'd never ever get into 30/40k due to the money investments.

Besides, at least you have people to play with. The closest place to me is a GW more than 4 hours away.

>>50204777

I sorta have people to play with, but it is better than being 4 hours away, yea.

Having said that, I haven't played in like a month and a half, and I still don't fully understand the rules of this edition. There's so much convoluted shit.

I wish that AoS would pick up here, but no one wants to spend that much cash on either game, even though they'll regularly drop $40-50 on magic a week or more.

I made a promise to myself that if I paint 40 cultists and 30 space marines by the end of the year I will buy myself a second army.

What are the odds I will make it?

>>50204865

50 days till the end of the year. I'd say you have a pretty good shot.

>>50204883
It has taken me over a week to get ten marines done, and I have another 30 to go...

It will be a long haul that's for sure. I find all the details on space marines to be really time consuming to paint.

>>50204906

30 Marines is 3 weeks, aka 21 days, which leaves you 29 days to paint the cultists.

>>50204929
well when you put it that way of course it is reasonable, but it will still be a test of endurance.

I've also got some time off from work coming up which I planned to spend painting so long as I can stay focused.

>>50204949

>endurance

Not so much. It's more a test of consistency. If you consistently do X amount of painting per week, you'll get it done.

In this case, you need to average 1.4 models per day, or 9.8 per week.

If you paint one and a half models a day consistently, you'll be done in 47 days. Have more time? Paint more! You'll only be ahead. If you can't paint one day, don't sweat it. You have 3 days to spare, and each day you do more, you have more time to finish.

Success comes from breaking big huge goals into smaller, more manageable goals.

>>50203768
A handful of incredibly powerful Thousand Sons sorcerers protected by their Rubricae, with some Daemon Engines wreathed in sorcery providing fire support and a living tide of mutant beastmen that worship the sorcerers like inscrutable gods.

I'm crazy excited for Wulfen 2: Arc.

>>50204996
I'll make sure to document my progress

HOLY SHIT. HOLY SHIT.

I just finished reading Beast Arise : "The Beheading". 10/10. The book reveals so much. A lot of mysteries are revealed. How things came to be. Even some HH characters get their final resolution.

Shall I post spoilers!?

>>50205060
Of course, anon.

>>50205103
>‘You have more secrets?’ she said.

>‘My secrets have secrets,’ he said, and smiled. ‘Vangorich may have the best interests of the Imperium at heart, but he will fail. No man can rule the Imperium alone. You must keep the Inquisition independent until this episode is over. Remain vigilant against corruption. No one is immune. I have seen how Chaos can take the best of us. I was there on the Vengeful Spirit when the Luna Wolves were corrupted from within.’

>‘The Vengeful Spirit? The Luna Wolves?’ Wienand frowned. ‘The Warmaster Horus’ ship? That’s impossible! No standard human has lived so long.’

>‘I have. I did. I am over fifteen hundred years old.’ He reached out with his hand. When Wienand took it, he surprised her with the power of his grip. ‘I knew him, Wienand, I knew the Warmaster. Horus did not begin as anything other than a loving son of the Emperor, but he was proud and he was arrogant, and so when he was tested, he did not have the strength to resist. Do you not see? If he fell, anyone can. There are holes in the armour of the mightiest man. The influence of Chaos is pernicious, it is a slow poison. A man might think he does great good, when he does terrible evil. You must, you must…’ he took in a heaving breath. His eyes locked on to Wienand’s and he held her hand so tightly the bones ground together. Death hovered close at hand and when he spoke again, he did so quickly.

>‘You must make sure the Inquisition does not lose its focus. The threats of the material universe are nothing when set alongside the dangers of Chaos. It can strike any time, corrupt any heart. The road to damnation is travelled with small steps and the paving is engraved with noble intentions. By the time we look up from our feet we find ourselves staring into the furnaces of damnation.’

>‘No one of any influence like Horus’ has fallen to Chaos since the Heresy,’ said Wienand.

>>50205141
>‘Our vigilance has weakened. There have been others, planetary governors among them, who have heard Chaos’ siren call. It is only a matter of time until someone of higher station treads the infernal trail beaten by the Warmaster. Beware of the Adeptus Astartes. They are our greatest defenders, but they can become greater enemies. They are not equipped for failure. I am afraid the end of this crisis may beget more terrible problems than we have endured yet. If the Space Marines fell to Chaos once, they might do again. The Luna Wolves… they… they showed me how it can happen,’ he gasped. ‘They were brought low by pride and false grievance. Their turning damned the Warmaster. Always look to the masses as well as the figureheads. Chaos strikes at both.’

>‘I shall. I will!’

>‘Do not lose heart. The lures of Chaos are manifold,’ he said, panting shallowly. ‘The powers of the Dark Gods are terrifying, but they are not boundless in their might, and they are opposed. There is light in the universe. You must have faith. The Imperial Creed is the truth, Wienand. I have seen the power of the Emperor at first hand, the way He shields us. He watches us all, He protects us. Never forget that. Even now, as He sits entombed upon the Golden Throne, He is with us. I take comfort in that, although I have seen so much that would test the most pious. My successor, the one you will choose to lead the Ordo Malleus, they must be pure. Anyone who opposes Chaos directly is exposed to its temptations. The finest soul can be blackened. They must be kept honest, focused not on their duty, but why they do their duty. Do you understand me?’

>Wienand nodded. ‘I do.’ She looked down at the wizened example of humanity in the bed, so emaciated and frail his body made but a wrinkle under the sheets. She looked into his face wonderingly. Could a man truly live 1,500 years?

>>50205149
>‘Now, there is something I have to give you. Press your palm to mine. Quickly!’

>She shifted her grip on his hand. Veritus spoke swift words under his breath. Wienand cried out as a sharp pain stabbed into her palm, growing hot to the point of agony.

>‘Hold still! Bear the pain! I pass to you the key to Titan. Without it, you will not be able to enter the monastery there.’

>The pain grew. Wienand gritted her teeth. It reached a crescendo and she gasped.

>‘You must go to Titan,’ said Veritus. ‘Seek out the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights. Seek out Janus! Pass on to him our plans and tell him they have my blessing.’

>His breath rattled in his chest. His eyes slid closed.

>‘Is it true?’ she whispered. ‘Did you really know Horus?’

>‘It is the truth,’ said Veritus. With a last effort, he pulled on Wienand’s hands, his knuckles white, half lifting his frail body. His face lost some of the lines of pain, becoming open and lighter. He smiled, pleased to share his great secret at last. ‘My name was Kyril Sindermann. I was chief iterator to the Sixty-Third expedition of the Great Crusade. I was present when Horus abandoned the love of the Emperor for the lies of the enemy. I was there as the Luna Wolves were corrupted from within. I was there at Isstvan III when brother turned on brother. I endured the Siege of Terra, and I knew Saint Euphrati, the first of the saints, as a friend.’

>He sank back into the mattress.

>‘And…’ he gasped. ‘And…’

>Wienand leaned in. His last words were as arid and hushed as wind blowing over sand.

>‘And I was there the day the Emperor slew Horus.’

>A last, wheezing breath passed from Veritus’ lungs, followed by a thread of bloody dribble. His heart fluttered under the sheets, then stilled.