/40kg/ Warhammer 40K General 40,000

First for sensitive flowers get fucked.

First for ignore shitposters not liking things others like

Third for Sistersfags POST FUCKING PROOF

>>50173282
>anybody who is fed up with people shitposting is a 'sensitive flower'

damn shitposter, you scary!

>>>50173279
I'm the newfag. I posted those pictures. I saw people didn't like it, so I stopped. Now I can't say anything about Sisters without people jumping down my throat.

>>50173284
Are you autistic? If I bother to find the fucking tripfag claiming this shit, what do I get out of it? You won't believe it anyway.

>>50173284
Nobody knows if they're getting updated, but you're being autistic as fuck right now.

>>50173291
he did have a proven record, but i dunno how accurate, not that guy btw, but he's only around a few times i can't remember his tripcode either.

>>50173302
He's already claimed the ending of the WarhammerTV thing to be a 'joke' anyway. So he's just shitposting at the moment. We'll find out by March anyway.

Ok so I have a question, can you use Super Heavies and Gargantuan Creatures in normal games or are they Apocalypse only (noob asking btw).

>>50173296
>>50173302
>>50173305
If you don't have any reliable proof, and believe me some literally who tripfag is NOT reliable, shut the fuck up about how new Sisters are "confirmed" and "definitely happening this time (for real!!!).

If you dig up some actually reliable sources confirming a Sisters update and giving evidence to prove it, and post those links here, maybe we can entertain the prospect.

Until then, stop your shitposting about how it's all definitely coming.

>>50173311
Prove to me that it wasn't just a joke then.

>>50173314
You're being an emotional bitch right now.

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Does this mean it's free? If not, where do I find the price?

>>50173273
Most of my stuff is just basic, rushed three colours to take it up to "sort of" table top standards.

My troop master of twilight next to my succubus and her TERRIBLE mcDonald's belt.

>>50173313
Most of them are Lords of War so yes you can take them in a normal game if you have the points to spend on them while maintaining a legal army otherwise.

Just don't be a faggot and bring a Warhound Titan to a 1000 point game just because you technically can.


>>50173330
You can find the listed points costs in the armory that's just before the army list entries (just before they start listing all the special characters). They don't list points costs in individual troops entries because it would be redundant when it's all already written on that page.

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>>50173341
Dumb phone poster.

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>>50173342
>don't be a faggot and bring a Warhound Titan to a 1000 point game

What would happen?

>>50173294
Yes, this all because of you. Everything is about you.

In fact, there's only two of us here: me and you. I just pretend to be multiple people to fuck with you. Because of how singular and important you are.

>>50173357
It would be extremely painful.

>>50173357
No one would play against you.

>>50173367
But, why would you do that?!

>>50173342
For real, I can't find them.
I'm using the 6th ed codex from the mega, would you be able to help?

>>50173367
All I'm saying is I'm the one who posted all those pictures. Even the Harlequins shit.

"Raziel !!p4F1KUg2ljM is the tripfags name.

>>50070393
>yeah was off by 3 months, happens :) our higher ups change the schedule sometimes if things get leaked too early. similar to the tempestus stuff back then

and if you don't believe he has a track record

>>48570681

>The Upcomming White Dwarf that will be released in september will have a new CSM supplement: Traitors Hate, with new Rules for CSM aswell.

>Also Deathwatch will not only get the Boxed set, there will also be Bikes, Landraiders, Razorbacks, a box with 10 marines and Character Models for example the Watchmaster.

>>50173341
>>50173356
Well the thing is your painting may not be Golden Demon but it looks so much better when compared to an almost completely unpainted army.

>>50173357
The game would be boring as your Titan deletes two squads a turn.
Unless someone brings Smashfucker or multiple Wraithknights and locks it in combat, in which case you will lose badly as the rest of your force is effortlessly tabled. And you will deserve it.

>>50173384
Because of how important he is, me.

>>50173387
Keep fishing for those (You)'s, you!

>>50173396
That Deathwatch spoiler being mostly wrong and missing the flier is pretty damning.

>>50173385
If you're using the same pdf as I have saved:
The Tactical Squad is on pdf page 63 (page 167 of the actual book)
The wargear list is on page 55 (again 159 in the actual book)

On a related note why are you using 6th? The 7th edition codex is in one of those MEGAs, you know.

Continuing from the previous thread: "How to Fix Chaos Marines." Your thoughts?

tl;dr: problems with Chaos are related to "shitty FOC", as much as it is being an old codex.
-All long-range units are Heavy Support
-All "Fast" units are Fast Attack (and one Heavy Support)
-All Elites "move like infantry". 3 of them are effectively "melee only", doing the same thing in different shades.
-On a lesser note, other than the Lord/Sorcerer/Daemon Prince (overcosted), EVERY HQ is an infantry model.

Proposed Fixes:
-Any HQ can take a Bike/Mount/Jump Pack. Yes. Any of them. Daemon Princes would forfeit wings to do this of course, but a Biker Prince of Nurgle would be terrifying for the points (I'd gladly pay 200 points for a Shrouded T6 Smash Biker).
-Chosen can take Bikes/Mounts, or can take 2 Heavy Weapons.
-Every Chaos Marine gets a Bolter/Bolt Pistol/CCW or variant thereof base, and you can do "pure swaps" without issue. I would gladly pay 13 points for a CSM that got "all 3" at once, while this also means "little things" like the 1k Sons Sorcerer getting a Bolter, the Noise Marine Champ being able to take a Sonic Blaster, etc.
-More "alternative movement" options. Angels of Death Psyker powers helped a lot, but beyond that, Chaos movement is very predictable. Give Raptors "Hit And Run" (it was one of their major abilities in 3.5, and Chaos lacks it currently). Allow Warp Talons to "swap places" with other units/get something similar to Wraithflight (Rending would be nice too).
-More "Range 24" options in general. One homebrew I'm in favor of is giving Chaos "Pariah Plasma."

"Plasma weapons fired by a Chaos Space Marine fire an extra shot beyond normal (so a Plasma Rifle in rapid-fire range fires 3 shots), but count the results of each 1 twice for the purposes of Gets Hot. For example, a Chaos Lord with two Plasma Pistols could fire 4 shots thanks to Gunslinger, but if he rolled three "1s", he would need to make 6(!) armor saves."

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>>50173402
What the fuck is wrong with you? You're toxic as fuck, mate.

>>50173412
Shrug. He isn't wrong though. There are Deathwatch Land Raiders, Rhino's, 10 marine boxes, Watchmaster model and bikes. That was just a quick fucking example.

How is that "mostly wrong"?

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>>50173427
>Old Codex.
>Sisters of Battle exist.

Literally what?

>tfw I get to leave for work just as this thread resolves into utter autism.

Good luck guys.

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>>50173429
He's a shitposter. He's been around before. Somebody should have screencaps of his shit about having a big cock or some crap. Here is some of his fun.

>>50173454
You won't be missed, faget.

<3

>>50173426
I must have a different pdf then, but thanks for the help.
Using 6th because it's what I'm normally familiar with

>>50173457
What the fuck am I reading?

>>50173457
He is Carnac?

>>50173457
Literally one guy? Jeez.

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>>50173457
/tg/ may be dead but what else can you do but laugh?

>>50173463
Just scroll up from the Tactical Squad list entry (the one with points and shit) and you'll eventually find it. It's the page above Marneus Calgar's entry.

>>50173412
>>47510938

>
summer campaign starts on the 14.7. ends on the 14.8. the results of the campaign will determine how the story progresses (similar to the black crusade) however this time not only battles are accounted for it, there is also modelling and painting.

>23.7 is the release date for the generals handbook, which contains the point costs aswell as scenarios costs 20€ and almost 1000 pages. the point costs for each unit will be updated on the datasheets that are linked to the product.

he was right about this too, not the other anon but i just went to check myself.

>>50173457
This is the future of shitposting.

Shitposting Evolved™

>>50173342
Thanks for clarifying mate.

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>>50173471
Guy basically goes into full shitpost mode. There is a screencap somewhere of him going "I'm going to ruin this thread for everybody now" or some shit. See >>50173482 for other wonderful examples of how he ruins threads.

>>50173476
No.

>>50173477
Unfortunately, he's easy to spot based on how he types.

>>50173427
Some good ideas here, but how do you bring up the codex without falling into the power creep issue?
6e had that problem from the word go, 5e had issues with dexes not written by Ward (save the DE dex, which was one of the best damn books GW has ever written imo), 7e just don't give a fuck.
I would like CSM to be a contender in it's own right without cribbing from the SM dex, shit just being so cheap you can drown the board in fire, giving AP2 to every squad, etc.

>>50173427
Cut the cult units other than Sons, make the Marks more radical alterations.

Find a new gimmick for Mark of Tzeentch.

Give them Pods or severely reduce the price of Dreadclaws.

Make Rhinos less shit.

Make shit more cost-effective.

Make Cultists not shit.

Give options for every God.
>>50173441
Sisters of Battle have been updated more recently than Codex: Chaos Space Marines. CSM is currently the oldest codex in the game.

Stop pretending "needing an update" is a zero sum game.

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>>50173487
I got this from somebody once. Made me chuckle.

>>50173441
More than 18 months since last update is 'old'. SoB got a digital update! So they're updated, despite it being 6th. I think. Orks are currently the oldest codex outside of what /tg/ deems 'meme armies'.

>>50173502
Why is that stormtrooper holding a cute loli?

>>50173517
I'm pretty sure Orks are older. Hell, if you include supplements, then even that Orks are still older, as Traitor's Hate actually added some neat, if very mediocre, stuff to CSM.

>>50173517
>Cut the cult units other than Sons
Wut
>Make Rhinos less shit
Good luck with that sacred cow. Next, you'll demand that MEQ statlines become viable again.
>Give options for every God.
I agree with this.

>>50173517
>>50173522
Fuck. I didn't expect that. I remember CSM being updated. Time flies like a mother fucker. Weird.

I guess it's been three years or so.

>>50173502
Apparently he's not that easy to spot, because that's not me. Why do people try so hard to pigeonhole posters into identities? This isn't the first time that you've accused me of being that guy, and you've done it to other Anon's as well.

Would black spray paint/primer combo work as primer? Or would it just fuck it up?

[s]inb4 buy primer, it's not sold on base and nobody will ship aerosols to an APO [/s]

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>>50173522
CSM were the first codex of 6th so yes they are probably the oldest. Orks are still shittier and SoB still have far less support.

>that image
Added to my collection.

>>50173522
>I got this from somebody once. Made me chuckle.

That's some next level shit. It's like the people on /v/ who haven't played vidya in three years, yet shitpost daily.

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>>50173526
Teaching the way to properly purge.

>>50173538
It's [spoile.r]text[/spoile.r] without the punctuation.

Welcome, newfriend.

>>50173535
>This isn't the first time that you've accused me of being that guy

wat?

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>>50173526
>stormtrooper
>>50173547
Marines are the best teachers.

>>50173532
There's no reason to have Plague Marines and Mark of Nurgle be separate entries. The game just isn't granular enough to represent multiple levels of Chaos devotion adequately for four different gods.

Yeah, a lot of CSM's issues are tied up in legacy statlines. Letting us "Mark" Rhinos or bringing back the vehicle upgrades from 3.5 would go a long way.

>>50173533
>>50173530
Nope. CSM were the first 6e codex. Everyone else has had at least one codex since. Not that it did Orks or DEldar much good.

>>50173535
Use a tripcode if you want to build your own shitposting portfolio then.

>>50173564
>stormtrooper

I was throwing a meme into the wind.

For real, though. That's cute as fuck.

How is he gonna get his flaccid penis into her vagina, though?

>>50173571
Seriously, where do you illiterate motherfuckers come from? That's not even a remotely logical take-away from my posts on the matter.

>>50173571
his comment sounds like a schizo anyway.

>he isn't easy
>that's not me

well, duh, why fucking comment?

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>>50173564

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>>50173579
It's simple, he platonic relationship

>>50173603
No such thing. It's not a relationship if there's no sex involved.

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>>50173535
That's such a clusterfuck of a sentence I don't know where to begin.

>he's not that easy to spot
>because that's not me

Okay? Right? Why did you comment then. If it wasn't you, then why reply? Why refer to a third person, then yourself? And then you go 'first time that you've accused me of being that guy', WHAT GUY? THAT ANON SAID NOTHING. Then you go 'you've done it to other anon's as well' again, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

Are you mentally ill? This is incredibly fucking worrying mental illness.

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>this thread right now
Let's get this back on track.

THREADLY QUESTION

What are you working on /tg/?

Played any games recently? Got any planned?

Any additions to your army you're thinking about?

>>50173549
I'm on my phone, I just use control s so frequently on app change I forgot the actual right one.

>>50173661
Working on nothing. I don't collect 40k.
I don't play any games. I don't play 40k.
I don't have any additions planned. I don't play or collect 40k.

But nah. In all seriousness. I'm waiting till the Custodes shit comes out. The Dreadnought has basically made me come to the conclusion that GW steals ideas from fans. They did the same for Kyratan Lord of Skulls thing from Forge World. The Dreadnought is basically nearly 1:1 copy of a conversion. I also looking forward to HH Book 7 and IA14.

Also, did IA4 Third Edition actually add anything?

>>50173637
>>50173590
I can't tell if you guys are just too stupid to follow a replay chain or if this is just more shitposting.
>you denied it, therefore it's true
What a well-reasoned position.

>>50173678
>Custodes dreadnought(?)
I didn't know of this. Got pics? I've seen their grav-tank but not seen or heard anything about a dread.

>did IA4 Third Edition actually add anything
As far as I know it was a softback reprint but I don't do Nids or D-99 so I don't really know.

>>50173661
>What are you working on /tg/?

Fuck all. Still no cash. Just autist watching. This thread's pretty entertaining.

Trying to read the rule books, but I'm ADHD as fuck. Even medicated, I can't focus for shit. Just not stimulating enough.

I want to build models already. I'm craving the slow and methodical destruction of mould lines.

>Played any games recently? Got any planned?

Nope. That's a long ways away.

>Any additions to your army you're thinking about?

I'm buying literally everything. I'm gonna go crazy if I don't get my cash soon.

>>50173690
Oh right, your referring to the flaccid dick bit? Well fuck me for not checking that shit, I replied based on my post and what I said.

Whatever, you're just as cancerous.

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>>50173694
Here.

They named it Third Edition and the Second Edition link has gone.

>>50173702
You call me cancerous, but you have no idea what's actually going on. You're just wrapped up in your delusional little bubble, throwing irrelevant erroneous posts into the ether.

>>50173716
Just fuck off already. You do nothing but treat people like shit.

>>50173709
Wow, Custodes really are just going to be Space Marines+1.

>>50173723
But who is Carnac now?

>>50173709
This guy's taller than a Space Marine, right? How much taller?

>>50173723
Don't act like a shitter then. All this, just because of the usual SoB poor me bellyaching.

hello /tg/, i have 2 20% Discount codes for warhammer: total war, do you want them ?
>>50173731
i am carnac, you are carnac, we are all carnac

>>50173733
It's a dread, so probably significantly taller

>>50173737
What do you have against Sisters players?

Why do they trigger you so much?

>>50173709
>>50173727
All of these were shown in Visions of Heresy book years ago, they are just now making it.
>>50173733
Doubt it. It's a drossed up Contmptor chassis.

>>50173731
Carnac, assuming he's still around, likes to post lore snippets and are about headcanon.

There are probably copycats, and he's essentially just a boogyman at this point.

>>50173716
What? I replied to the post you wrote. I didn't know you were referring to another post.

>>50173737
And you got BTFO by proving that the tripfag has predicated things constantly. Funny how you ignore that. SoB are coming next year. Deal with it, faggot.

>>50173747
I've already explained that. Learn how read, tardlord.

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>>50173771

>>50173757
Yes I know, I'm just saying it's a neat model.

>>50173733
Custodes are about the same height as a Space Marine. Constantine Valdor was big though. Though that's a Dreadnought, so big.

>>50173731
A shitposter who likes making up bullshit based on little bits and fluff in BL books then arguing the toss, even when he's wrong. It's a catch all term for shitposters now.

>>50173761
Okay, see, here's how it works. Anon posted something. I replied, and he replied to me. This went on for a while

Issues crop up when retards like you don't bother reading the entire chain and instead pull a single post out of context and then get confused. General illiteracy doesn't help you, either.

Also, not the guy that doubts SoB are coming. See, pigeon holing again.

what did the FAQ do to heavy flamers vets in chimera? did it do anything?

>>50173782
I'm not the one posting image macros while displaying and utter and unrelenting inability to parse English.

>>50173818
I don't think it did anything to them. Is there some issue issue in contention?

>It's a anons fight over sisters general

Are Hellhounds worth it? Do you give them smoke launchers?

>>50173818
You resolve different flamers one at a time.

So if you were mixing normal flamers and heavy flamers you would have to resolve hits and wounds from the heavy, remove models and then place the template for the normal flamer.

all shootings are done at the same time, then you remove the casualities
does no one read the rulebook ?

>>50173855
Apparently you don't.

>>50173839
Hell hounds with heavy bolter and heavy stubber is great.
move 6 and fire all weapons for a super accurate eradicator that fucks open topped transports.

The real question is, is the banewolf worth it?
Is getting that close with a tank just suicide? Blood angel players don't think must of their ap3 template tank.

>>50173855
FAQ changed that.
Sorry.

>>50173811
But I read the chains.

>I said it's this guy
>guy says it's also this guy (links other guy)
>didn't know you were referring to that
>say bollocks like "he's not that easy, that's not me"
>then say "this isn't the first time blah blah blah"

what was the utter bollocks at the end? I've never claimed anybody is anybody else, faggot.

>>50173510
You could argue there was a little of Ward in everything (even if Phil Kelly is the author of 6e Eldar, he admitted Ward gave him the idea for Battle Focus).

5e Imperial Guard went into 6th relatively alright, 5th vanilla Marines did ok despite being the oldest 5e dex, simply because 'dem Stormtalons/Null Zone. Necrons were boss all the way up until their 7th ed codex, since Barges were incredibly tough for their points, and could kill vehicles super-fast (not to mention Storm Harbingers...).

But BA and DE did not survive the transition to 6e so well, mostly due to how FNP/Cover mechanics were altered, as well as randomizing assaults.

I think the best way to "proof" a codex against creep is to give it a variety of in-game options, "utility" options (Psykers, Grand Strategy, etc), and innate redundancy without pigeonholing them into one playstyle over the other.

Chaos had Drakes and Spawn, and Daemon Allies, and once Drakes were FAQ'd to not have 360* accuracy, players didn't adjust accordingly ("My crutch is dead").

I'm trying to build a nice fluffy Star phantoms list that is still able to hold its own against other casual lists. I have no prior experience at all with space marines, so this is a shot in the dark.

I own BaC and a stormtalon so far, so anything else in my list will be added but you guys can help decide if I need it or something else.

HQ
Captain
- cataphractii terminator armor
- combi melta
- Chain fist

Chaplain
- plasma pistol

TROOPS
10 man tac squad
- melta gun
- combi melta
- missile launcher
- drop pod

10 man tac squad
- plasma gun
- combi plas
- grav gun
- drop pod

10 man tac squad
- flamer
- h. Bolter
- combi flamer
- drop pod

ELITES
5 cataphractii terminators
- 4 w 2 lightning claws
- 1 w h. flamer and power fist

5 cataphractii terminators
- h. Flamer

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon
- assault cannon and the s7 missiles, forgot their name

HEAVY SUPPORT
Land raider
- for the 5 assault termis and captain

Contemptor dreadnought
- assault cannon
- drop pod

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You know what? I'm out. /tg/ has just got so fucking unbearable with people outright going out of their way to shit on new people, to shit on people having favourites, to purposely setting up gimmicks to shitpost about certain things.

I'll come back later, see if the usual suspects have gone. Doubt it though.

>>50173896
There was nothing to adjust to. When the list is entirely build around how broken one unit is, the list won't survive that unit being gutted.

>>50173881
the faq is only a first draft, its not official yet
anyway, it doesnt really matter, as long as everyone uses the same rules and has fum, which i hope you do.

Anyway, does anyone know whether the aquilla strong point is useful ? My Rival just bought it and i may be able to get one myself for 45 €. U am not sure whether i really want that though, since i also want a baneblade.....

>>50173907
Wait like a week until the residual salt from the US election finally dies down and people can stop trolling one another to get their emotions out.

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>>50173709
Holy fuck that looks baller as shit.
Too bad I hate the Contemptor pattern.
>>50173727 is right I think.

Here's the tank in case anyone hasn't seen it.

>>50173907
Let's be clear, the newfag pissed people off because he was repeatedly spamming the thread with pictures from the webstore. This entire shitposting spree was kciked off because he turned himself into yet another case of people that don't play Sisters just mindlessly whining about them in the thread.

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How accurate is this image?

>>50173941
>CSM 7 inches
This can't be just coincidence.

>>50173939
who gives a fuck? It's not like this thread has ever been much other than sporadic mini-arguments.

People are so thin skinned these days

Flesh Tearers Supplement anyone?

>>50173952
Ask >>50173907, he's the one storming off in a huff because people on 4chan told a spastic, shitposting retard to fuck off.

>>50173962
>supplement for a codex that should be a supplement to codex space marines
Please no.

>>50173918
Oh, I agree entirely. I remember back in 5th when the big boondoggle was over "Does Doom of Malan'tai affect models in transports?" But I've also seen the argument that it's not so much "codex creep" so much as it is "codex failure."

Prior to Serpent-Shields and D/scatpacks, one of the big ones is "what if Eldar didn't get Fire Dragons." They go from "yeah ok, you can make them work" to "folds the moment your opponent brings heavy armor". My personal favorite 5e slapfight was Eldar versus Eldar.

"ALL OF OUR VEHICLES ARE AV 12!"

"MOST OF OUR WEAPONS ARE STRENGTH 6"

"Uh...we can't kill each other fast enough with Glancing Hits. Let's Ram each other I guess."

What is playing DE like? I'm a new player who likes the look of their models and their fluff but I've heard they're weak/very difficult to play well and a poor choice for beginners.

>>50173869
Fast is its saving grace, but the Bane Wolf's problem is that its gun is just too much of a threat for it not to get focused.

I like it, but its never done good work for me, because it gets killed by T2

>>50173984
>5th edition
>using anything other than HoloStones Vypers for zero-consequences S10 ramming
Pleb taste confirmed

>>50173992
>inb4 dildo covered tricycle

>>50173992
To play DE you have to... not play pure DE.
As you'd probably pick most of your list from the Homonculus coven supplement instead.

>>50173526
He's a Legion of the Damned marine, Anon.

Why are Indomitus Termies so cute?

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>>50174049
It's the bull dog face. Here's one just for you. Straight from build a marine workshop.

What blue should I use to highlight black if I wanted to give it a lowkey blue tint?

What's the new go-to list builder? I accidentally updated so I'm now on Battlescribe 2. Has it been improved since it came out? Are there still point issues? I play Tau, if there's anything specific to know about that roster.

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>>50173272
Can someone help me with a fluff reason why DE would ally with Necrons?

The FLGS did a random draw for twin linked matches in which all team mates are allies of convenience.

Crons and Dark Eldar are 2-0 thus far

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>>50174031
I still consider this pure DE as well as great advice. The coven supplement is one of the best things DE have going on right now.

>>50174094
Necrons don't feel pain and basically have no souls so they don't make for very good sport. May as well keep a distance and go after the living creatures, which are also your mutual enemy, I suppose.

That is a pretty shit-tier alliance but not unsalvageable if you Forge that Narrative hard enough.

How would you fix combi bolters and storm bolters?

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>>50174094
It doesn't make sense to me really. All Edar are genetically hotwired to hate Crons most likely, and DEldar like being fast no? Maybe the DEldar could be using the Crons to scare up humans, and while the Crons are slowly getting battered the DEldar can swing and kidnap the defenders?

>>50174094
Dark Eldars took too much combat drugs, and Necrons has blue screen of death.

>>50174094
Allies of convenience pretty much mean "not each others biggest problem" so you avoid actively antagonizing each other so long as a common threat exists.

>>50174122
>All Edar are genetically hotwired to hate Crons most likely,

No, they are not.

Dark Eldar and Necrons have allied before.

>>50174115
>Necrons don't feel pain and basically have no souls so they don't make for very good sport.

Necron tombs contain rare technologies and treasures. There is a story where a Kabal invaded a Necron tomb trying to steal a huge green crystal.

>>50174094
>>50174145
Don't they have "Come the Apocalypse"
?

>>50174161
>There is a story where a Kabal invaded a Necron tomb trying to steal a huge green crystal.
Was it worth it?

Have anyone a Flesh Tearers Supplement ?

>>50174094
the Deldar thought it would be funny

>>50174169
No.

All the Kabal died horribly including the Archon's beloved daughter. Only the Archon survived.

>>50174122
>tfw you owned this book
>tfw you realize Necrons were introduced 17 years ago

>50174179
>censoring profiles
>not censoring the times that one fag mentions other users by name
And no you're not getting my (You)

>>50174163
This may amaze you anon but there are pieces of 40k lore outside the rulebook. In fact, some character interaction in the setting is performed completely outside the context of game rules. Crazy, innit?

>>50174193
He still got off on that right?

>>50174193
How does one call themselves an Archon if one has no Kabal to rule?

>>50173357
>>50173399
This happened to me at a tournament. It was doubles, one thousand points each. His partner had a battle company.
We got smoked but it was a good game, looking back. Smashbane got into combat with the warhound. I rammed a razorback with a rhino and destroyed it. it was unique.

>>50174207
No, it wrecked him emotionally.

>>50174163
GW said that the ally matrix shouldn't hinder you from forging the narrative

>>50174163

The FLGS I play in is doing ongoing 2v2 matches this month. To make it fair as to who partnered with who the groups are randomly drawn. I am allied with a Necron player. It's going well for us. The DE are the shock troops the necrons hold objectives and provide ranged support.

Because it has gone well I'm trying to think up fluff reasons they would ever ally even though they were on opposite sides of the war in heaven.

The Necrons lack of pain and the DE lack of concern for anything other than slaving and their own city's politics have been points considered.

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>>50174195
They changed a lot haven't they?

>>50173992
A glass dagger. The two main builds tend to be "Venoms & Reaver Jetbikes", or variants of the Grotesque Coven (usually with allies). The Corpsethief Claw formation from Covens (5 Talos in a single unit) is a notable unit, simply because the formation gives you extra VP for killing units, which can give you an extra edge in mission play. One guy on Dakka used a Corsair Prince to give a Shimmershield and Portal to Grotesques as a mini-deathstar too.

>>50174003
You couldn't (and still can't) ram unless you're a Tank or have special rules/wargear allowing it otherwise (Rams/Shock Prows).

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>>50174224
>emotionally getting wrecked
Huh. Didn't know that there is some pain DEldar can't stand
>>50174230
More old Crons.

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>>50174239
Here's some Immortals.

>>50174230
>the legs still don't fit on the base
Some things never change.

>>50174239
>>50174248
Who let all these Chaos Androids in here?

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>>50174252
>Some things never change
Necron science is not all it's cracked up to be.
>Chaos Androids
Sir, you have woken up some of the grumpiest snooty xenos this side of the Galaxy.

>>50174269
He kind of looks like the old Nagash model.

>>50174179

>that incredibly autistic second post

wew

>>50174080
Pen&paper and excell is still my top2.

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>>50174274
I can see it now, Anon.

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>>50174285
How did this go to that?

>>50174285
>average_fluffy_game_in_the_top_tier.jpg

>>50174230
They have. I'll be honest, though, I prefer Newcron models. I actually prefer newer 40k models in general. Whine all you want about them being "sterile" or "too busy" or whatever, the old ones were fucking janky

Fluff from that era, though? That golden period after they realized things like puking contests were stupid but before the grimderp got ridiculous and every writer was competing to see who could wank their favorite army the hardest? That shit's aged like fine wine

Can someone help me with forge the narrative of alliance Space Marines(Black Templars) with Tyranids?

>>50174334
They all got temporarily infected by Genestealers somehow.

>>50173941
Take the 16 mark as the top bar, and flip the graph over entirely, using the blank space as the new bars.
Then it's accurate.

>t. nidfag

>>50174332
>puking contests

? ? ?

>>50173941
>deldar
feelsgoodman

>>50174352
In the very early SM lore, they'd engage in puking contest. Keep that in mind when people talk about how great Oldhammer's "black humor" was

I got the little 5 guardsmen box, you think it's cruel to attach them to a kill team and hand them off to a rookie player? This'll be for casual games of course.

>>50174069
Aww :3
I still want one.
>>50174116
What you are really asking is what you want to do with bolters, and the answer is that you can't do much. You are running headlong into legacy mechanics.
I do think that stormbolters are alright for what they offer, but only on units that will reliably assault.

>>50174285
>that smile

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>>50173357

Pop it turn one with my cultists

can you take an optimized stealth contigent with a CAD or do you have to take it with a hunter cadre?

>>50173727
>Wow, Custodes really are just going to be Space Marines+1.
That's what they are, +1 to all stats.

What is the difference between "And they shall know no fear" and "Fearless"?

>>50174604
>ATSKNF
Never get Swept, and if you Fall Back you automatically get better next turn and act like nothing ever happened which is BULLSHIT

>Fearless
Never take morale checks so you simply cannot fall back or be pinned but also cannot go to ground

ATSKNF is so tactically versatile that it's a sidegrade really.

>>50174352
Well a "Which aspirant marine can eat the most poisoned, rotten and already digested food" contest.

>>50174604
ATSKNF still has to take, and can fail morale tests, but beyond having to run, they suffer no ill effects from it. They can always regroup no matter the situation and do so at no penalty, they also cannot be overrun by a sweeping advance, you just get locked in combat again.

Basically you ignore an entire phase of the game.

>>50174646
Wait so they still leg it when they fail a morale test after losing 25%?

>>50173941
100% accurate, except the DEldar peen is approximately the same girth as a pencil.

>>50174712
Yes, but automatically regroup.

>>50174712
And then they automatically pass their moral test and regroup.

Fluff wise it represent Marines tactically retreating after taking casualties then regrouping to continue the mission. They know no fear but they know when to GTFO.

Cruch wise it makes Marines a noobie faction and somewhat helps them being the powerhouse they are.

IMHO formations like skyhammer is what breaks the game, not ATSKNF

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time to bring out the plasma!

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>>50174808
>yfw Taufag putting Crisis suits with two plasma rifles next to one of these
>mfw they blow themselves up

Only Dark Angels Terminators can take plasma cannons?

>>50174568
Yeah, you can take it with a CAD.

>>50174808
AHAHAHA, PLASMA CALIVERS, FLESHLINGS!

Jokes aside, running Skittles with a VSG was already a good idea. Now I can use those and the Start Collecting formation to have BS4 twin-linked 3 shot plasma cannon, that will be an 18" bubble of DEATH INCARNATE.

>>50174881
>This with WarConvo means Skitarii get all of that FOR FREE WITH NO GETS HOT

>>50174844
>>50174881

They don't count as plasma.
Only pistols, guns and cannons do.

>>50174901
No, I figure it gives gets hot on 1 and 2 if you use this, instead of just not getting it.

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>>50174909
They can Get Hot on a 1-5 for all it matters, WarConvo removes the rule from them.

>>50174906
Does the FAQ for the Plasma Syphon not define several other weapons as plasma? It seems dumb that it would work on them because they are plasma and yet they cannot buff with Haemotrope because they are "not plasma".

>>50174906
If it uses the same category as the Inqusitor Plasma Syphon, its those and any weapon with plasma in the name/description.
>>50174909
It specifically says "Instead of JUST 1" so if I dont get hot on a 1 it wont double-overheat.

And to be fair it needs my 18 plasma guns to stay next to a stationary building to work.

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>>50174938
>If it uses the same category as the Inqusitor Plasma Syphon, its those and any weapon with plasma in the name/description.

"as defined in Warhammer 40.000: The Rules"

>>50174938
18" RANGE plasma guns. If I packed 18 of them id have no points left.
Also, might this make the Kataphron Destroyers plasma guns slightly less shit if they hit better than a Questoris Knight's lightning cannon?

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>>50174963
The Plasma Syphon is worded the exact same way and yet still works in the way Anon is describing.

It'd be pretty fucking retarded to just discard an FAQ on a ruling with literally identical wording because it isn't an FAQ specifically for this new rule.

>>50174808
Honestly, this gives me reason to take the land speeder vengeance in the RWSS now.
Maybe trench skitarii around it too.

Why can't I find the rule/wargear/psychic power that allows Corsair Princes to force night fighting for a turn?

Got a friend searching the pdf and I'm scouring the Internet and battlescribe, nothing! I need to know whether it's worth taking to combo with Real Space Raider Detachment and some Hornets.

>>50174982
40k is full of retarded shit.

This just happened to affect imperials and tau.

Or should Ork Kustom Mega weapons benefit too?

>>50173661
>What are you working on
Not really working on anything at the moment.
>Played any games recently? Got any planned?
Described my last game in a recent thread. My Marines vs Marines + Knight Crusader. I won because maelstrom + jump packs.
Hoping to have a game against my regular opponent's Elysians this weekend.
>Any additions to your army you're thinking about?
Got some additional Kasrkin from that made to order thing. They'll go towards the tempestus portion of my planned 412th regiment recreation. Hope to get some Leman Russ Annihilators because I think they look cool.

>Dark Eldar edition
I'm late to it, FUCK.
Now that I finished my Cronos, I'm working on the Talos.

>>50173538
Probably in a pinch. Hell, you can even just use straight white/black spray paint if you're really desperate. The results just won't be as nice as an actual hobby/automotive grade spray primer.

>>50174808
Shame that they specify "Non-Vehicle" for it. That said, Chaos Obliterators with this = Hnngh.

>>50175009

I ran a Dark Artisan last night for the first time (new player) and it managed to cross the battlefield on Hammer and Anvil against artillery imperial gaurd and destroy 3 wyverns turn 4 and a basilisk turn 5 in Big Guns Never Tire. Fucking love them.

>>50175001
>Why can't I find the rule/wargear/psychic power that allows Corsair Princes to force night fighting for a turn?
Because it doesn't exist.

Do allied Knights add much to IG or are they somewhat redundant given all the armor guard has anyway?

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>>50174982
Also, currently there are no ways to get both a VSG and these in with my War Convo, so I have to pick defence or this. Maybe if they release a fortification formation for them id use them, a VSG and some pipes for my Kataphron, give them Large Blast plasma and Torrent flamers and deny a 24" bubble.
>>50175003
Yes, the Orks should get it too just because it is the Orkiest shit and its not exactly in danger of making them overpowered. I don't even play Orks, I just think we Tech-Priests should be open-handed with our BLOOODD TUUUUBES.

>>50175055
They are a massive melee deterrent because anything that would want to assault blobs probably doesn't want to be stuck in combat with a Knight and vice-versa.

They are far better than the Baneblade and much cheaper than even the good Baneblade variants to boot. Strongly consider.

>>50175052

It got updated out? there's people talking about it all over the web. That sucks, thought I was gonna be able cheese some natural 4+ cover on venoms all game with Hornet support.

>>50175040
>>50174996
Nevermind mind on the vengeance, I skimmed the non-vehicle part.

Still, I've got several plasma dev's I could bring right now so still a strong consideration.

>>50175062
235 points for 5 8/2 large blasts on t7 models with 15 ablative wounds for get's hot , 5 shooting rerolls between them and a 4+ cover?

Yes please.

>>50174808
>non-vehicle model
DAMN IT.
I was just beginning to taste the cheese of a leman russ executioner with 5 large blast plasma cannons.

>>50175067
Yeah. For the record you're thinking of the Darkfire Skyburst shot from the Void Strike ability, which is nowhere to be seen in the current edition because it was replaced by the (admittedly very awesome) First Price specialization.

>>50175064
Cheers. That makes sense. I'll look into them.

>>50175049
Holy shit. I deep strike mine and it usually gets blown to bits. I've been thinking of footslogging one along side a Grotesquerie.

>>50175096

Hmm, got no use for that, guess I'll just have to be happy I don't need to jink turn 1

>>50175093
I was pondering the hellforged warpack with 3x3 ectoplasma cannons that can use daemonforge every turn...

>>50175125
I think walkers count as vehicles

>>50175092
Am I missing something? Kataphrons are T5 and only have 2 wounds each, and that's 6 Large Blasts. No idea what unit you're referring to, but it sounds scary as hell.

>>50175137
Ork Mek guns.

>>50175118

To be fair he spent the game blowing up ravagers Reavers and venoms to prevent me capping points but I managed to survive and grab 2 objectives for the win. He missed a whole round of fire with one wyvern and the first round took a cronos and the haemonculus to 1 wound each, they healed up though

>>50175134
I know, just a "what if vehicles could".

>50174937
I imagine the "fluff" answer would be something about improper power converters or some similar technical babble. Personally, I would let it fly. I can't recall the last time I've seen a Tau player take Crisis weapons anyway.

>>50175049
Dark Artisan is even funnier when you give your Haemonculus a Webway Portal. Being able to go SURPRISE and drop a giant unit right where you can threaten the most stuff can really throw his plans down the tubes.

>>50174808
>blood and fuel
>into plasma guns

wut?

>>50175143
OK, I would still be game to play with a pair of these for each side in an Admech vs Dangels Vs Orks game, just to see what the hell happens.

Would probably have to counter that by running some Infiltrators or Dragoons into the arty.

>>50175175
They are power generators, they use it as fuel.

>>50175175

Blood and fuel into power generators, power generators boosts plasma.

>>50175162

I was taking an all comers list so I'd taken Nightshields on ravagers vs ignores cover artillery, if I could have tailored I'd have swapped them for the Webway and been up in his face asap

>>50175189
IMO they should affect Las instead.

>>50175216
Why?

>>50175216
>IF Devs with 4 LCs behind one of these
>Hunter's Eye WS Libby babysitting and twinlinking them with Ignores Cover or just letting them shoot right through the reactor

Yeah no thanks.

>>50175222
I could really see the fun in guardmens with hot-shot lasgun with get's hot and maybe.. Beam lascannons

>>50175212
The thing is the portal isn't a tailoring choice for that formation. Be it Maelstrom/objective missions, otherwise dealing with Dawn of War deployment, or being able to drop right in the center of your opponent's battleline to apply that Leadership debuff, no-scatter DS is really nice for the cost you're paying ("Costs like a Drop Pod").

>>50175277

Yeah but removing the wasted points to get WWP when I found out the Nightshields would do nothing vs anything that mattered and the deployment type benefitted me getting close, seems like a bit of a dick move. Still I'm happy, everything went against me (deployed aggressively on a board type that favored his army, he rolled to seize and my dark lance ravagers did 1 hull point all game) and I still won comfortably on the last turn.

Cult player at 1500 points on Saturday though, I plan to turtle in the corner of my deployment with a screen of Reaver Jetbikes to absorb his alpha strike then retaliate with venoms and fan out

Sisters of Battle have been restocked

>>50173356
Yes I will take that code thankyou.

If I want to start imperial guard should I get 2 start collecting imperial guard boxes or 1 start collecting imperial guard box and 1 start collecting military tempestus

or should I just wait for the rumored super start collecting box

>>50175251
>>50175216
>squad of 20 clustered around this thing
>prescience
>first rank fire second rank fire
>20 twin-linked small blasts

>>50175369
2 IG sets
Or if you can find it, the Cadian Defence Force box.

>>50175335
At Warhammer World or what?

>>50175335
by the emperor, why is the stock on metal sisters so big?!

More SoB talk, some anon sources confirming Sisters for December.

>>50175450
>anon sources
Just no. Are you some newfag who only just now found out about BoLS or something?
Also post proofs.

>>50175450
More SoB talk, some anon sources confirming Sisters for retconned out by January.

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>>50175450
>Sisters for December.
Huh, looks like they're the last book before a big new edition again.

>>50175472
>>50175485

Guy on B&C said it a little bit back, then someone else on Faeit confirmed SoB for december.


natfka blogspot co uk/2016/11/confirmations-for-december-releases

>>50175504
>literally a shit rumormonger website
>literally anonymous source

Yeah no, I'll believe it either when I see it or some actual reliable rumormonger posts it and not a moment before.

>>50174996
Doesnt work on vehicles sorry.

>>50173740
If no one else wants them I'll take one, if they are still in the table

>>50175143
You cant redirect gets-hot wounds to other models. Your weapons would blow up in no time.

Also Gets Hot is a pretty shitty rule to have on Blast weapons. Read up why.

>>50175570
They aren't other models, they are weapon crew.

>>50175561
I'm actually glad GW's embracing a social media presence. They've been doing great with it.

>>50175561
They had better have an army of moderators who have been trained to handle sperg attacks by the minute

>>50175594
>these weapon crew models
>they aren't models

>>50175548
I sorta answered myself in the first reply to that.

>>50175594
Read how the rule work. Wounds get assigned to the weapons.

>>50175561
Oh this isn't going to last long I know it. Didn't they shut down their own forums?

>>50175633
Oh sorry about that, then. Would be awesome if it worked on vehicles. Shame thou that Gets Hot! is one of the worst rules to have on blasts and vehicles since you cant negate the gets hots with normal rerolls.

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>>50173855
Um, not not quite

>>50175638
>>50175624
"One crewman that is within 2" of a gun in the Shooting phase can fire it"

"When firing a weapon that Gets Hot, roll To Hit as normal. For each To Hit roll of 1, the firing model immediately suffers a Wound"

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Are sisters THE allies for guard?

t. guy with only 1 immo

>>50175666
Yeah but that was because of Kirby. You might have been able to trick him Satan, but our new Overlord Rountree hasn't fallen for it.

>>50175687
I had nothing to do with that. I never asked to be the Prince of Lies.

>>50175603
>>50175666
Sounds like this is more of just an expansion of the web blog into a "White Dwarf Online" of sorts rather than a return of the Warhammer forums.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/blog/blog.jsp

>>50175718
>return of the old GW website

YES ROUNTREE YES YOU GLORIOUS BASTARD

>>50175561
How were GW's old forums? Frankly any online 40k I've ever seen has bee pure cancer and this includes /tg/

>>50175673
The very next line says "this wound cannot be allocated to any other model in the unit"

>>50175718
>>50175730

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>>50175736
I only saw them near the and and by that time it was a mercy kill.

>>50175673
Yes, and the gun is firing so it takes the wound.
Just because they are causing it to fire it doesn't mean they're firing.

>>50175736
Pretty bad. Both because everyone and their little brother knew about it and also because, as it was "official", people felt that it was the place to go to whine and rage directly to GW.

Quick request for you folks.

Does anyone happen to have a PDF copy of the Imperial Guard Infantryman's Primer? I've lost the thumbdrive that had my copy of it and I need it for a campaign I'm running.

>>50175746
And it's not, it's allocated to the firing model, the one that fire's the weapon.

The gun has no BS, It can't fire itself, nor roll to-hit, scatter or get's hot.

>>50175780
The crewman model isn't equipped with the gun. The gun model is. It stands to reason that only the model actually equipped gets the wound.

>>50175780
Sorry, you're wrong. This is a reason why artillery with Gets Hot! is so damn shitty.

>>50175794
The gun isn't the firing model.

>>50175812
Yes it is.

>>50175687
>Yeah but that was because of Kirby.
it was also because their forums were complete garbage and other people (dakka, portent) did the job for free.

I can't agree with much of what GW changed over the last ~16-20 years, but those forums had to be put down.

>>50175819
It says the crewman fires the gun.
that make him the firing model.

Otherwise the gun would use it's BS - and not fire.

>>50175671
You can reroll gets hot for weapons that don't roll to hit if you have twinlinked or BS6+. It's only reroll of ones that doesn't work.

>>50175821
How bad could they have been? As bad as us or worse?

>>50175859
They were horrible.

>>50175859
worse, much worse

>>50175859
90% "GW U lazy shits fix X nao or i leav 4 eva"

>>50175867
>>50175874
But >>50175876 doesn't sound any different us.

>>50175893
It was a entire board that acted like 40kG
ALL OF IT.

>>50175893
it's us + about five million times the userbase. On shitty a 90's-era forum.

with an average age of about half of what 40kg is

it was bad

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>>50175893
Shitposters have always existed but the GW forums were the 40k-themed /b/ of their era.

What is the absolute worst army/armylist in the game?

I like a challenge.

You can now assult out of non-assaule vehicles, but only d6 inches. Assault vehicles are buffed to d6+6" range

y/n?

>>50176021
Orks, hands down.

Alright, ya'll, asked a few days ago already, going to nicely ask again, this time with what I'm working with:

Anyone up for helping me build my first 850 Black Templars list for my first tournament in 10 days?

Here's the stuff I own (relevant cause WYSIWYG unless it's super minor things):
- 2x Land Raider Crusader + Multi-Melta
- 1x Venerable Dreadnought (Power-Fist /w Storm Bolter + Twin-linked Autocannon)
- 1x Drop Pod
- 1x Grimaldus + 3 Servitors
- 1x Emperor's Champion
- 1x Command Squad Members (Banner, Apothecary, Company Champion (Power Sword + Shield))
- 15x SM + Bolter
- 11x SM + Chainsword + Bolt Pistol
- 1x SM + Melta
- 1x SM + Plasma Gun
- 2x SM + Flamer
- 1x SM + Missile Launcher
- 1x SM + Power Fist + Bolt Pistol
- 2x SM + Power Sword + Chainsword
- 2x SM + Power Sword + Bolt Pistol
- 2x Magnetized SM with magnetized Plasma Gun, Meltagun, Flamer, Heavy Bolter and Missile Launcher
- 3x Neophyte + Shotun
- 2x Neophyte + CCW + Bolt Pistol
- 2x Assault Terminator + TH/SS
- 3x Assault Terminator + Lightning Claws

The fixed Plasma Gun and Melta minis I can probably get through to count as Combi weapons, since the minis themselves are easily distinguishable from the rest.

Sorry for the huge info dump, but would be great if anyone could help me figure out something effective. Been trying all kinds of builds, testing several different combinations of what to drop pod in, with or without termies, the dreadnought and the command squad and testing with or without the LRC and if I should take the Champ or Grimaldus or a normal Captain/Chaplain represented by them.

Thanks if anyone is up for some list building to help me out.

>>50176021
Ork nobz, ard boyz, stormboyz and morkanaughts.

Using the Goff Killmob formation.

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>>50176049
There are some things even hardcore sadists won't do.

>>50176021
Scions by my count.
Not enough models, rely on alpha strikes, and outside of formations get run over pretty easy.

Course someones gonna call me stupid and say it's CSM.

How fucking broken do you think the new thousand sons will be?

>>50176060
Masochists

>>50176067
Like humpty-dumpty

>>50176021

Probably a Tyranid list.

>>50176070
I was referring to how he suggested it.

Anon likes a challenge but chopping the models up and eating them would be a preferable alternative to running that list non-ironically.

>>50176034
I'd rather have special rule "Assault unit" that grants kinda those same rules with a twist:
Unit can always assault, ignoring restrictions, with d6" range (stuff like reserve, deepstrike, run, disembark from closed-topped). If unit doesnt have restrictions then it assaults 6+d6". Assault Units also never suffer from Disordered Charge.

Now just sprincle this to pure assault units in the game and voila. Stuff like Ogryns, Rough riders, assault terminators, jump pack equipped marines etc. But not units like bikes since they arent a melee unit but outrider.

>>50176067
Probably a load of shit given that they will focus on overpriced MEQs and TEQs in a meta that eats both for breakfast.

>>50175923
Oh my dear Man Emperor that's horrible.

Just wondering.
Are there any real assault vehicles without frontal entry points? (Not counting open topped)

And are the any vehicles with frontal entry but without assault vehicle (besides -naughts)?

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So I have an idea. I think generally it's a terrible idea, but perhaps some of you can give me advise on it.

The friend I play 40k the most with is a Tau player with an attitude about his victories that are as as pompous as they are undeserved. I play CSM and as such usually suffer critical existence failure around turn three. However I've decided to boldly buy the Maelstrom of Gore box. 48 Khorne Berzerkers led by Kharn the Betrayer. I intend to toss them in Rhinos and crash them into the Tau lines and watch his face as his beloved fishmen are turned into skull flavored sushi. I'm not an idiot though, Rhinos are not particularly robust and you can't assault out of them, so I need either support or a distraction.

What do you guys suggest running with my Zerkers in order to do the most damage against the filthy blue menace?

>>50176150
Monolith is the second.

>>50176150
Well the thing is, Assault Vehicle is really only a rule seen for legacy reasons on the Land Raider and LR-esque vehicles like the Stormraven. It doesn't really show up anywhere else.

The Monolith technically has front access but its status as a transport is a bit odd.

>>50176163

Daemonkin flesh hounds or some kind of chaos spawn

Fast and durable isn't available to you so fast and cheap will have to do.

>>50176181
Mastodon transport, Corvus flier.

>>50176181
>legacy reasons
What do you mean by that?

>>50176198
>implying the Mastodon isn't just the epitome of "a LR, but bigger"
>implying the Corvus Blackstar isn't literally a pancaked Stormraven

How about we look for examples of this rule outside of the Space Marine range?

>>50176212
In older editions it was less difficult to be able to assault out of vehicles, or assault in general so the Land Raider family didn't need a special rule that let them do that.

Because Marinefags would never let GW live it down if their army lost an assault transport, when the edition changed the Land Raider et al. were given this rule to let them be open-topped but not.

>>50176242
I don't see why we can't assault out of anything. Seems odd that you basically need a Land Raider to avoid being forced to stand around and get shot at for a turn.

>>50176274
They should just add a vehicle upgrade for all armies with the option for proper melee builds to add an assault ramp to any dedicated transport where it would make sense to immediately charge out of. Could even make it block shooting out of the vehicle if it could possibly somehow need more balancing other than a decently-high point cost.

>>50176305
I kinda like what they're doing with all these formations that allow you to make disordered charges when normally you would not be allowed.

So you can get in to combat if you want to but if you want a 'real' charge you get bonuses for you're going to need an open topped transport or such.

>>50176274
There's a reason they used Higgins Boats in the Normandy Landings. And Land Raiders are basically big, angry, Higgins Boats. I think the provision of open tipped is universal enough. If they want to make more specific assault vehicles they can, but I think that should be an intentional part of the vehicle design.

>>50176094
>assault unit

Fuck yes. That would be amazing and solve so many problems.

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>>50175965

>>50176094
This sounds amazing, really.

Melee-strong armies could really use something like this for their standard units.
They could also give it to Crusaders to make those guys more than speciall-equipped Tactical Marines that can take swords but are still meh in melee.

>>50176163
The Maelstrom is pretty bad. The problem with the Rhinos is that you're not assaulting until turn 3 at the earliest (can't disembark and charge) wheras if you run them on foot, you could "at least" add some supporting elements.

The idea for 1850 was (feel free to scale up/down accordingly. Maybe a Slaaneshi Soulgrinder Forgehost)

++Black Crusade++
+Maelstrom+
Juggerlord + Axe
4 x 5-man Berserk teams
2 Rhinos

+Spawn+
3 Spawn

+Warpack+
Warpsmith with Combi-Melta
Alpha Forgefiend
2 Maulerfiends

+Warpack+
Warpsmith with Combi-Melta
Alpha Forgefiend
2 Maulerfiends

The idea being, the Berserkers "can" run on Foot (Fleet/extra charge, hopefully you get Infiltrate), and "loan out" their Rhinos to the Warpsmiths, who act as your "Melta Delivery." The Forgefiends are "covering fire/harassment" (use them to force saves/double-out Crisis Suits), and get in-built 4++ saves. Whenever you kill one, the 2 Maulerfiends in its formation get Rage instead.

I don't think it's a viable list by itself but at least it can do more than auto-concede. If you wanted it to be stronger, I would recommend a Gorepack instead of the Maelstrom/Spawn, and probably the Flesh Hounds to outflank the Melta-Warpsmiths.

>>50176021
Oooh, ooh, I know!

An unbound army of nothing but solo Servitors!

At 1850 points, you get 185 1-man units, each armed with a Servo Arm.

For each and every single Servitor, you have to roll a D6 and get a 4+ to see if you can do anything with it that turn!

So that's 185 rolls at the start of your movement phase, for melee-only 4+ save guys that get only one attack apiece, to see if they can even be used that turn!

>>50176493
Crusaders would be no-brain candinate single BT always always up someones grill in fluff.

>>50176094
>Rough Riders
>Assaulting from tanks

???

>>50176700
Nevermind. I can't read. You're talking about the issue more broadly.

>>50173935
>From the Forge World that brought you the Dickbike comes a brand new war machine:

>THE DICK TANK

desu it looks pretty sweet in my opinion. Sleek and suggestive of incredibly advanced tech, but also visibly Imperial at the same time.

>>50176700
Thank you for the mental image of the door of a baneblade or other large tank opening up to unleash a squad of charging cavalry men on the enemy a la the Riders of Rohirrim at Helms Deep

>>50174094
The Dark Eldar and Necrons both want to wipe out the servants of Slaanesh.

That (and the Tyranids) are one of the only things that would ever allow for Dark Eldar/Necrons voluntarily working together outside of the most absolutely desperate of circumstances.

That said, half of the reasons Dark Eldar do things is "FOR THE LULZ" so it's not really above imagination that they'd hook up with a Tomb World that would have them and act as mercs.

>>50174227
>Because it has gone well I'm trying to think up fluff reasons they would ever ally even though they were on opposite sides of the war in heaven.

The Necron Lord doesn't realize they're Eldar because he can no longer interpret those things. The Dark Eldar absolutely love the idea of making Necrons die for the Eldar race, so they keep up the game.

>>50176163
There is a FW formation of 20 zerkers in a karybis drop pod

>>50175777
No one?

Or is there a general better suited to Dark Heresy?

>>50174094
The DE could be taking advantage of a necron resurgence on a planet to take prisoners of whatever the local population happens to be.

>>50176047

I wanna give you advice but I don't play SM at all, all I dont know is I don't see anything in that list that my SM player friend would say is good or would use and he's been playing for a looonggg time.

I suppose you could say some of the Marines are Stern gaurd and drop pod them but that's usually a suicide tactic and don't know how many points that is.

>>50177000
>>50177000
>>50177000

After a long time I would want to get into the hobby again.

I have a Start Collecting box of tyranids, 20 termagants and a carnifex. Is it possible to build an usable army out of this or what else would I need?

Also, I have all colors and brushes I want to use, but I'm afraid to fuck shit up when I start painting.
Are there any guides on how to paint tyranids for idiots?

>>50177019
>usable
It really depends on your meta. Tyranids are in a very bad way right now and their only vaguely good unit is the Flying Hive Tyrant, but if your opponents do not play competitively then you can still have fun.

>painting
Look up Duncan from Warhammer TV on Youtube, he does a bunch of excellent painting tutorials. I think there was a Termagant one but the skills are easily transferable to other models.

Above all you just need to practice. If you've never done it before or haven't done it in a long time your first few will be rather shitty, but you will improve.