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Negative -1 everything

A few questions I'm going to repost from last thread, as I got no answers (and some others)

1. Can Mind/Death Mages produce Goetia or Ghost Essence like Spirit Mages can?
2. With the Channel Essence option for Death/Mind 2, give Spirit essence to a Goetia/Ghost?
3. Can you summon a Supernal entity into the Astral? What about the Shadow? What about Twilight?
4. Can Artifacts have an Astral existence? Such as an Artifact within one's mind?
5. Can you remove memories before they're scourged by Quiescence, saving the Sleeper from a breaking point?
6. For the effects of Temporal Pocket, what counts as moving an object? I would assume gasses are exempted, but what about their movement? Do they snap back like a spring when no longer used? Can you walk up stairs? What about walk along a rope bridge? Can you include animate objects (such as a motorcycle, some food and water) as a part of the spell's 'subjects' for a short road trip in the blink of an eye?

>>50169585
Is there rules for zombies? Or is this a Frankenstein?

>>50169735
Yeah there's many rules for zombies.

Uhm im looking for a seeming in Changeling that could be a classical kung-fu master.

any suggestions?

>>50170325
I could see any of the Seemings working for that really. Especially as now in CtL 2e, they're mostly for regaining Clairty.

>>50170325
Monkey Beast? Oni Ogre? Like i mean, Seeming doesn't really matter, you want kith. But for Kith I'd personally suggest Blood Brute or whatever it's called since all unarmed attacks cause Lethal, though I think it's only 0L

Got Project Twilight in the post yesterday. It makes me hungry for the rest of the Year of the Hunter books.

For anyone not aware, Drivethrurpg's printer have upped their game. Quality is now almost on parity with original prints. Almost. There's a few uncorrected OCR errors (Mark ReinñHagen for example), but it's still readable.

The problem is, the intense release schedule from OPP seems to have put the brakes on more books being released from the back catalogue.

>>50170571
>The problem is, the intense release schedule from OPP seems to have put the brakes on more books being released from the back catalogue.
gonna have to wait a few years. once white wolf gets the rights back they'll put up more crap.

>>50170802
I don't think it's a question of rights, I think it's a question of man power.

Let's say someone at White Wolf looks at the 2nd hand market and notes the paucity of copies of Hall of the Arcanum and how much they resell for. Sensing a chance to butt-frustrate scalpers, they decide to float a copy with Drivethrurpg. First, they need to check if the books are in the archive of DVD-ROMs or if they were one of the books that got put on a failed format (it was the 90's, there were shonky "zip-disk" clones that were guaranteed to last a century and karked it after 2 years). If it is on a disc, there's no guarantee the file format can be read, and they may have to source an ancient Macintosh off eBay to open and translate the files. If it's not on a disk, then they have to dig out the contact list and check with everyone who worked on the project to see if they have old proofs or drafts. If that doesn't work, they have to buy a 2nd or 3rd hand copy in good condition, unpick the binding and scan it perfectly page by page, doing a double pass to try and improve the graphic reproduction. Then comes a lengthy back-and-forth between WW, OPP, Drivethrurpg and the company they outsource printing to, comparing drafts and correcting OCR errors until they're happy with the result.

The entire thing is so fucking arduous that they simply cannot give a release timetable. Two books that start work at the same time can see reprint literally months apart.

Now take into account the number of projects both White Wolf and Onyx Path have in the pipeline, and you begin to see the scope of the problem.

What arcana would you need to do a fusion ala Dragonball?

>>50171292
Eh, off-hand I'd say "can't be done".

>>50171292
You'd need a heap of Spirit, Life and Prime I'd say. Although if you were going to go true DBZ style, both Mages would need to be at the same level of power for it to work right.

>>50171292
You'd need at least Life and Mind 4 to connect your minds and fuse your bodies.

>>50171316
All that would do would be a huge body with two minds.

>>50171323
Not if you compressed it all with Life!

>>50171292
Death for Soul fuse
Life for body Fuse
Mind for mind fuse
Prime for Magic Fuse

>>50171292
Imagine the compund Shadow Names

>>50171333
>Prime for Magic Fuse
Would require Archmastery for that though.

>>50171323
No, one body, controlled by a combination of their minds.

There's no need to use the practice of Making when you already have everything you'd need, mayhaps not in the precide form you need.

10 dot artifact that facilitates Fusion. In the form of earrings

>>50171355
Too low.

>>50171357
How many dots then?

>>50171360
15 at least.

>>50171372
How do you calculate again?

>>50171372
Even at Making 5 for Life, Mind, and Prime, that'd still only be 11.

So if 2 pcs fuse how would you rule controls it?

>>50171432
Both of them.
If they disagree, they're paralysed with indecision.

What Path and Order would a Mage like Q from Star Trek be?

Isnt DBZ style fusion a brand new personality based on the 2?

>>50171389
Patterning for both Mind and Life, Entities for Prime.

>>50171450
Doesnt it need Death as well to combine the Souls?

>>50171480
To combine Souls you'd need the Practice of Entites in all Subtle Arcana.

After last night are we sure the World of Darkness is a dark reflection of the real world? I think we're already in a world of darkness.

Stat president Trump

>>50171445
None. He'd be a particularly capricious Celestine.

>>50171764
hate: 4
ignorance: 5
stupidity: 4
resources: 1

flaws:
stench of corruption
impeachable

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>>50171764
Causes aggravated damage to the regulars of this general.

Silver Ladder mage otherwise, social primary, intelligence secondary, physical tertiary. The Wall is his and all america's ladder to ascension. Scelesti and Seers are currently in meltdown that the Quiet and media manipulation they poured all they had into failed.

Expect a surge of Awakenings due to the Abyss quaking and the distance between the Fallen World and the Supernal shrinks.

The time is now.

>>50171822
>Silver Ladder mage
He's a Seer through and through. Clearly a member of the Hegemonic Ministry.

>>50171852
No, Seers gain support through the Exarchs, which Hillary has been doing, including through scelesti rituals and forbidden rites.

She has kuru.

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>>50171852
Nah, they would have spotless media attention and an easy win.

But the Diamond and the Free Council won today, against all odds, with a simple promise of hope.

Man Aspel is going to kill himself.

>>50171856
>No, Seers gain support through the Exarchs, which Hillary has been doing, including through scelesti rituals and forbidden rites.

No. Hillary has been working through the secret cults backing each other.
She is clearly a low-Wisdom Silver Ladder, using the connections the Cryptopoli give her.

Trump is an agent of the Hegemony, working to control the US population by appealing to their national identity, and vilifying everyone else.

>>50171856
This. Soul cooking = Tremere

>>50171758
Once, we were heroes.
Now, we are all monsters.

>>50171868
So, she is a Scelestus-Seer-Tremere-Reaper?

>>50171862
>hope

I give you 12 months before you're crying out for another John Wilkes Boothe.

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>>50171875
Well WoD always had a thing for antagonists with stacked templates.

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>>50171882
Anon you already proved you cannot be trusted with predictions.

Have hope man, maybe you were wrong, maybe Trump won't be that bad, or wont fuck up so bad afterall. Thats living life positively.

>>50171884
Yeah. But nWoD/CofD doesn't.

Anyhow. I think she's a perfect fit for an amoral Silver Ladder. Using connections and secret deals, knowing everyone, having blackmail material on everyone, but being squeaky clean herself.

That's textbook Cryptopoly management.

>>50171897
>Squeaky Clean Thearch
The Ladder doesn't care about being clean.
They care about being right.

>>50171897
Isn't a Cryptopoly more of a Mysterium thing then Silver Ladder?

>>50171909
Eh. No. Cryptopoly is the Silver Ladder set of connections and conspiracies they use to prop themselves up.

It's kinda similar to the Guardian Labyrinths though. But with entirely different goals.

>>50171908
Yeah.. You are right. She is a Silver Ladder puppet.

>>50171909
Not even slightly.
The Mysterium have next to no interest in saving the collective souls of mankind through the Cryptopoly system.
All they care about is finding the next Tome or Artifact.

>>50171758
>After last night are we sure the World of Darkness is a dark reflection of the real world?

Yes thats why things went as they did IRL

>>50171856
>>50171868
>>50171875
>>50171897
>>50171908
>>50171914
Hillary is a greedy Libertine. I don't even see how she's Silver Ladder, really.
>Yeah.. You are right. She is a Silver Ladder puppet.
Well, frankly no politician would be a Mage, they'd all be puppets.

>>50171862
>Spotless
For some reason we care more about an email server than fraud, sexual assault, tax evasion, war crimes advocacy...
Trump's got like four things to go to trial for before he even sits on the throne, and then we'll have to deal with Mike "torture the gays until they're straight" Pence.
>Man Aspel is going to kill himself.
I'm gonna be here the whole time

>>50171863
Bingo. Jingoism is pure Hegemony.
>The Unity (Hegemony) grants the Crown of Obligation. The character gains an additional Vice, and regains one point of Mana every time she gains Willpower through either Vice. Also, she reduces opponent’s Doors in Social maneuvering by her Mind dots.
Certainly explains things.
Besides, we all know that Dave's canon is probably that the Republican party is Seer controlled.

>>50171932
>Hillary is a greedy Libertine. I don't even see how she's Silver Ladder, really.
>>Yeah.. You are right. She is a Silver Ladder puppet.
>Well, frankly no politician would be a Mage, they'd all be puppets.

I disagree with you there. If she believed in the Free Council creed she'd try to eliminate as many positions of power as she could.
Gary Johnson would fit. He has the right levels of insane.

All the back room deals, and wall street connections, and fund work? That's how the Silver Ladder work.

>>50171932
>For some reason we care more about an email server than fraud, sexual assault, tax evasion, war crimes advocacy...

Well when said email server proves fraud, sexual trafficking, tax evasion and war crimes compared to allegations, yeah.

>>50171932
Seers got Dems too. The two party system is probably Seers doing too.

>>50171932
>and then we'll have to deal with Mike "torture the gays until they're straight" Pence.

Actually haven't you written something like that? Just with children.

>>50171949
If they didn't create it, they sure as shit enjoy using it.
Come on guys, move to fucking preferential voting already. It's not hard.

>>50171942
How would Gary Johnson be Free Council? The Libertarians are fucking nutsos who basically just want the system we have now, but with corporations, and less checks on power.
I don't think any major power would want to have anything to do with the Libertarians. They're dumb AnCaps and barely worth a damn. Not meaningful for the Seers to bother, and against the goals of most of the Pentacle.

Although one thing's for certain, the Guardian is going to try to kill a lot of Americans. Can't have the unworthy using magic.

>>50171948
Except it hasn't really proved any of that.

Also, fun fact: The dollar dropped to historic lows last night.

>>50171949
I feel like if the Seers controlled the Democratic party, they wouldn't be so fucking useless. That's the kind of thing that smacks of Libertines. Libertines too caught up in the money to focus on their goals.

Actually, no. The Libertines are more proactive. They wouldn't try to play the political game. They probably wouldn't approve of the whole spineless "p-please can we play with you, we'll do drone strikes if you just vote for health care?" bullshit.

>>50171966
>Implying implications
No. None of my logs even have anyone under a vague late high school age. Also, I'm usually on the receiving end; it's masochism, not sadism. Despite my logs being up for everyone to see, everyone sure seems to have weird ideas of what's in them.

>>50171982
What? Libertarians are anti corporation. They see it as the unholy union of state abd businesses. They hate those kinds of prorectionism.

>>50171982
>How would Gary Johnson be Free Council? The Libertarians are fucking nutsos who basically just want the system we have now, but with corporations, and less checks on power.
>I don't think any major power would want to have anything to do with the Libertarians. They're dumb AnCaps and barely worth a damn. Not meaningful for the Seers to bother, and against the goals of most of the Pentacle.

Because the Free Council ideal is literally to abolish any kind of structure that puts one person above another. The dismantling of the federal government is a perfect example there.

>>50171982
Hating on Libertarians. Truly a left wing shill.

>>50171982
You sure seem to have become soured to politics Aspel. Try to think on the bright side, you only have to resist killing yourself for 4-8 years.

>>50171997
Whoddathink

>>50172045
>Do... you know what Libertarianism is?

Yes. Basically anarchy.

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>>50171968
Please fucking this so hard. Why the fucking fuck are we using first past the post voting?
Why the fuck do we call ourselves a democracy despite all this shit? I want a socialist revolution right the fuck now.

>>50171991
In what world? They want deregulation bullshit and privitization. They love corporations. They want neofeudalism, they just wouldn't call it that.

>>50171992
>Because the Free Council ideal is literally to abolish any kind of structure that puts one person above another
Do... you know what Libertarianism is?
>>50172049
Anarcho-Capitalism is like fake anarchy. (Left) Libertarian Socialism is Anarchy. But in the American/British parlance, it's right wing anti-government crazies. Watch some Freeman on the Land/SovCit videos and see how many of them shout about Ron Paul.

>>50171997
>Liking Libertarians
lolweed

>>50172064
>Watch some Freeman on the Land/SovCit videos and see how many of them shout about Ron Paul.

Yeah. And they sound like perfect Free Council ideologues.

No state, no "man" to push you down.

>>50171893
He lost half a billion dollars on a casino. Given that's a legal excuse to rob people, and almost impossible to fail at if you really are a corporate sociopath, either he's not that good a business man, not that hard a tough nut, or just monumentally fucking stupid. Either way, the global economy agrees with me - the global share market has dropped 3 trillion in value since this election started, the greenback and peso have heavily devalued and every single index from FTSE to Dow Jones is down.

But hey, keep supporting him if you like. Every time the dollar goes down further, it gets cheaper for me to order POD books. It's not my country he's sailing up shit creek.

(is that what you meant by staying positive?)

In good news, the number of states with legal weed quietly doubled.

>>50172074
The Libertarians are the party of a State's Rights to deny human beings their rights as human beings. The Free Council is pretty hard left socialist. Getting rid of social welfare systems is counter to their goals.

>>50172099
Lucky Californians can spend the next four years stoned.

>>50172077
Well, if nothing else, Trump has proven that you don't actually need to be rich to become president.

>>50172104
>Getting rid of social welfare systems is counter to their goals.

Why would it be? Social welfare puts people at the depencency of someone higher up in the hierarchy. By default that's going to be against their values.

Complete communism or stateless anarchy are the end goals of their ideology.
They are no less insane than the other orders.

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>>50172121
>that old "welfare makes people dependant" chestnut
No it doesn't. And in a socialist society you provide for those around you because we're not independent actors. Socialism provides for social welfare because that's how you get a country that isn't shit. It doesn't create dependency, it lessens it. The Free Council are in favour of equity. They're the Order of Democratic Socialism. They are far from the "fuck you I got mine Jack" Order.

I don't think any of the Pentacle would be in favour of cutting social systems. Except maybe the Mysterium, they are kind of "fuck you, I got mine, Jack"

>>50172147
Man an unapologetic leftist socialist shill.

>>50172147
>No it doesn't. And in a socialist society you provide for those around you because we're not independent actors. Socialism provides for social welfare because that's how you get a country that isn't shit. It doesn't create dependency, it lessens it.

I live in fucking Sweden. I'm pretty fucking well aware of how dependent it makes you to the guy who decides on a month to month basis whether or not to give you enough food to pay your rent and eat.
It is fucking terrible. They are in complete control.

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>>50172077
No I meant believe that against all your calcified expectations it wont be so bad. OR it might even be good.

And those examples, please. Large businesses cost large money, if you actually ran any sort of establishment you'd know how easy and likely bankruptcy is, its not a question of IF its a WHEN and what you'll do afterwards. And the dollar always drops in value during political upheaval. It dropped when Obama got elected and republicans were crying "LOOK THE DOLLAR IS FALLING" the same way you are now.

It'll get back up, gays, muslim, women won't be herded into deathcamps, except for Aspel, CPP and the like will be repelled, a bunch of corrupt people with known histories of murder and failure were forbidden from wilding substantive political power, crime will go down and work wages will go up. Relax, crack a beer or open a bottle of wine, know for certain that things will get better from now. You may not have believed it, you might not even have agreed with it, but its what the people have chosen despite everything being stacked against a fair election. And you WILL benefit from it.

At the very worst case you'll get 4 more years of Obama tier administration, except the president isn't brown but orange. Thats literally it.

Stop thinking so little of your fellow countrymen, and try to re-evaluate things a bit.

>>50172176
Sweden isn't a socialist country you fuckwit, it's a welfare state.

>>50172176
At least you get easy access to the wonders of multiple cultures without having to travel to foreign lands, count your blessings.

>>50172206
No, I have to travel to the other fucking end of the country though. If one were to travel as far from the trouble zones, to where I live, south instead, you'd end up in Italy.

>>50172196
>At the very worst case you'll get 4 more years of Obama tier administration,
At the very worst it'll be Reagan 2.0.

>>50172167
You're damned fucking right.

>>50172176
Isn't Sweden the one that's run by NeoNazis, or is that Switzerland? Either way, your country's system not working right is probably still better than no system at all. Would you rather it didn't exist and instead you simply couldn't eat or pay rent?

>>50172196
It's pretty difficult to go bankrupt running a casino, and Trump has repeatedly shown that he's a bad businessman. He's already under investigation for tax evasion and fraud. Oh, and there's that whole rape thing.
Saying that Hillary is corrupt is accurate. Saying she has a known history of murder is bullshit. Nothing was stacked against a fair election, despite what Trump would tell you (and where it was stacked was often in his favour). The dollar never fell *this* much due to Obama's election, and it's never fallen *this* much ever before.
On every conceivable level, the current Republican party is terrible for this country. They currently have all of the power. "4 more years of Obama tier administration" this will not be.

>Stop thinking so little of your fellow countrymen, and try to re-evaluate things a bit.
They just voted into the highest office in the world a man who, among other things, opened his campaign with racism, encouraged his supporters to do violence, and bragged about racism. They did so partly because they thought he was a good businessman, despite all evidence to the contrary, and partly because they're scared of brown skins and SJWs.

I have plenty of reason to think little of my countrymen.

>>50172244
More likely it'll be a repeat of Harding.

I have some ideas for a game setting and I am thinking of using the WoD system for it. But I've never done this kind of homebrew, and from what I've played and tried it seems that the old Werewolf system might be the best fitting, but that's aside the point.

Basically, has anyone done more or less overhaul homebrews using this system? How did it go, anything you wish you thought of from the start? Tips and tricks?

>>50172244
>[screams internally]
I want to get off this ride.

>>50172249
Sure, what are you planning to do? I'd suggest using the Chronicles of Darkness system, since that's the easiest to use out of the box. What you're actually trying to do will determine how well you can homebrew it without knowing anything about the system, though.

I mean, "I don't know anything about the system" generally makes homebrew of any kind difficult.

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>>50172263
Well basically, my setting idea is a form of mash-up of Abara and Prototype. I've been playing old Werewolf and new Mage and I like bits and pieces of both systems (Werewolf having better freedom of your transformation but the new system having a more streamlined and concise system) so I'm not entirely sure what I'm gonna pick in the end but I'll get around to selecting that after thoroughly reading through the systems and the differences.

I'll probably use the newer system and tweak it, though.

Hey guys Chapter 2 is up
http://archiveofourown.org/works/8402227/chapters/19510960

>>50172246
>It's pretty difficult to go bankrupt running a casino

Its really not, its another catering establishment, literally the most vulnerable part of the tourism industry.

>he's already under investigation for tax evasion and fraud. Oh, and there's that whole rape thing.

Sure but thats a presumption of guilt, where's the evidence and conviction? By the same reason you can point out that Hillary is being investigated for election manipulation, child trafficking, murder and embezzlement. She's still under federal investigation for five different impeachment tier things and unlike Trump there isn't a plethora of possible evidence laying all over the internet.

>On every conceivable level, the current Republican party is terrible for this country. They currently have all of the power. "4 more years of Obama tier administration" this will not be.

I highly doubt 8 years of influence will disappear so easily even in your worst case.

>I have plenty of reason to think little of my countrymen.

I don't get this mentality, why do you expect then to things to ever get better. What justifies this attitude to yourself? You hate yourself, you hate other people, you hate politics, you hate your country, you hate all possible resolutions and do not believe it could be better or that you can be wrong.

Why do you even live in the US? There are people with similar political attitudes in this thread that would literally see you arrested for being a transmisogynistic pedophile and you lash out at other people for daring to hope that things will get better for YOU, because you ARE the fellow countrymen you think so little of.

>>50172246
Ah I'd love to keep talking with you Aspel but I've got to go.

I doubt I could have convinced you of anything anyway over the internet as we are but believe me that things can get better.

Do not let yourself be so consumed with misandry, there is no man more wretched then one that has no space left for love in his heart. You can feel disappointed and be mad but I at least will pray that you will be proven wrong and your life, health, wealth and happiness be improved, against all of your expectations.

>>50172279
Abara?

I'd definitely go with the new system, but also the next game coming out is Deviant: The Renegades, and that's basically [Prototype].

>>50172299
>Child trafficking, murder
Holy shit you believe in conspiracy theories.

>Calling me a transmisogynistic pedophile
Are you just typing random words now or are you actually this stupid? I'm upset because my country voted a horrible bigot into power. I am not the fellow countrymen I think so little of, I'm the fellow countrymen who I fear for.
You've got this weird notion that I'm supposed to be happy we have a president, as opposed to speak out against him.

But this is getting far from elfgames, and I'm really not interested in this conversation.

>>50172342
>I'm really not interested in this conversation.
Which is why you keep posting, yes?

How do you guys typically earn money? And do you often roleplay out what you do with it? ( Such as buying real estate and giving descriptions of it,etc. )

>>50172342
>Deviant: The Renegades

Googled it and checked it out, it's *kind of* in the direction of what I was thinking but still not really from what I could find on it.

What's a good idea to check for books though? Should I start reading through the Chronicles of Darkness rulebook or, since the idea is about shapeshifting and transformation, should I just jump to Werewolf the Forsaken?

>>50172354
Take dots in Resources.

But all joking aside, I tend to play independently employed character types, like private investigators or writers or whatnot. People who can get away with missing work for a few days to deal with strange shit. Or just straight up hobos.

I can't say I've ever bought real estate, though.

>>50172363
You actually might want to look into Demon. Every Demon character can switch their form across one of several "Covers" (their Morality trait is based on their Cover, and all about keeping in persona), and they have a true form that's built from a pick-and-choose list of unique traits, each with a special ability.

So I guess no-one made a 2500$ bet on him winning in this thread aside from me?

>>50172376
Alright thanks, I'll check out Demon then and see how they do it.

>>50172121
>Social welfare puts people at the depencency of someone higher up in the hierarchy

hurr durr no-one ever gets off unemployment
hurr durr getting less than minimum wage, time to give up looking for work altogether

>>50172196
>its not a question of IF its a WHEN

umm, plenty of folks run casinos the world over and get more money than God. Stop projecting your lack of financial success on world leaders.

>>50172167
If only we were all so intelligent.
*looks at you pointedly*

>>50172376
>>50172392
Reading through the transformation part of Demon now and this is basically exactly what I had in mind, thanks so much for the tip!

>>50172466
Bankrupcy doesn't mean you lose your money, it means the company has reached a point of unsustainably. Your average casino changes ownership on an almost yearly basis.

>>50172246
>>Stop thinking so little of your fellow countrymen, and try to re-evaluate things a bit.
>They just voted into the highest office in the world a man who, among other things, opened his campaign with racism, encouraged his supporters to do violence, and bragged about racism. They did so partly because they thought he was a good businessman, despite all evidence to the contrary, and partly because they're scared of brown skins and SJWs.

he also repeatedly lied, said whatever drivel he could fart out and then denied ever saying it, bragged about getting away with sexual assualt because he was famous, championed the birther movement and thinks global warming is a chinese communist conspiracy. He's had to be repeatedly, slowly, carefully explained to as to why he can't just throw nukes at Syria, damaged foreign relations and destroyed any goodwill America may have earned with the rest of the world, and returned the US of A to the same laughing stock it was under the Bush administration.

By all means, let's all get uppity about some *emails*

>>50172299
>I highly doubt 8 years of influence will disappear so easily even in your worst case.

You haven't been paying attention.

The Republican party has ground the House and Senate to deadlock so often that the only way Obama got anything done was through executive orders.

Trump plans to cancel every single one of those orders on his FIRST DAY.

So, no, fuck you, 8 years are about to disappear before it's even tuesday.

>>50172495
>By all means, let's all get uppity about some *emails*
You know, the part about all of this that I hate is that there are legitimate reasons to hate Clinton, and yet most of the actual hate I see is "women can't run the country" and bullshit like the emails and Benghazi.
That's the sad truth of the matter. No one actually cares that she's a corporatist. No one cares that she's for social justice but actively works against it in many indirect ways (which is certainly better than the direct ways that the Republicans prefer). No one cares that she's pro-environment but loves Fracking more than the writers of Battlestar Galactica.

No one cares about the real reasons to hate her because the country doesn't care about those things. They care about theatrics.

I have what might be a silly question, but how does anything interact with Changeling the Lost?
Like when it comes to adding a little bit more to the games and having your werewolf pack encounter vampires or Mages discover some beastly things it can be done easily.... It's just up to you how much those vampires and beasts are to the source material.

But I can't think of a way for anything to interact with Changelings simply because of their origins: Changelings don't.... don't become what they are voluntarily I guess.

So it makes no sense to me for them to join with the other monsters who are either born that way or luck into their powers.

>>50172519

Changelings are the type to run across other supernaturals by accident, I figure.

>>50172519
Frankly, it all interacts however you feel is most appropriate to your game. That's true with everything. There's no hard and fast rules, and there aren't very many truisms when it comes to intersplat relationships. There's no Vampire/Werewolf rivalries like oWoD or Underworld.

Also, most nothing becomes what they are voluntarily, except a few lucky vampires.

Even in Changeling 1e, though, the Spring, Summer, and Autumn Courts were all likely to interact with other splats in their own ways. Spring through good times, Summer as allies or adversaries, and Autumn as a source of knowledge and thing to fear. Winter, of course, was all about hiding and avoidance.

>>50172491
>Bankrupcy doesn't mean you lose your money,

Prepare to be fucking schooled.

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 BILLION in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in PERSONAL liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

So no, he most certainly lost money, because he pours good money into bad investments.

And - he's in charge of the US economy now.

So, who's moving to Canada?

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>>50172542
>naming a Casino after a fucking tomb

>>50172519
>So it makes no sense to me for them to join with the other monsters who are either born that way or luck into their powers.

Crossovers are shit, just devalue everything involved and a terrible idea anyway.

>>50172560
He didn't know that it was a tomb, to him it was just a famous building that makes for a grand sounding name.

>>50172542
>3 bankrupcies in an corporation that consists of 500+ entities that has existed for 90 years, founded by a woman and managed for over 40 years by Trump.

Sounds like he has 5 dots in Academics (Business) and Craft (Deals) to me.

>So, who's moving to Canada?

Nobody since they've closed their immigration site to stop the deluge of hysterical children from breaking it.

>>50172542
And yet he bounced back from that just fine. Sure, he's had some losses, that's practically guaranteed when you're in business for as long as Trump has been and you've started/managed as many companies. A handful of failures among hundreds of successes doesn't mean anything. He's certainly better qualified to manage the US economy more than the current community-organizer-in-chief ever was.

>>50172566
Speaks the truth.

>>50172596
>And yet he bounced back from that just fine.
You do realize that he's not actually rich, right?
In fact, in all likelihood he's poor as fuck, living off credit cards. He's a fraudster living off of other people's money. He's Frank William Abignale with less charisma or conscience.

>>50172596
>He's certainly better qualified to manage the US economy more than the current community-organizer-in-chief ever was.
Yeah, it'll be great when he bankrupts the nation and profits off of selling us to China

>>50172648
Thats why he bought a random black hobo a middle-class house for protecting his Hollywood star right?

The fucking white devil!

>>50172532
I guess so but what could they build out of such an encounter?

>>50172583
You obviously don't remember Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Plaza Hotel, gotrump.com, Trump Mortgage, Trump: the Board Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Ice, The New Jersey Generals Football Team, the Tour De Trump, Trump on the Ocean Restaurant, The Trump Network vitamin supplements program, Trumped! radio, Trump New Media ISP, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts (including the Taj Mahal, Trump Marina, Trump Plaza and a riverboat in Indiana) and Trump Entertainment Resorts.

Feel free to google any of those. I'd say he has 5 dots in Subterfuge (Spending Other People's Money)

>>50172695
21 including websites

vs

500

Impressive argument.

>>50172648
Interestingly enough, when someone goes on a celebrity roast they're allowed to choose topics that are "off-limits". Shatner, for example, wanted people to not mention his second wife - understandable, she drowned in their family home - but for Trump the no-go areas included his hair and any suggestion that he wasn't as rich as he claimed he was.

Take that how you will.

>>50172707
Yes, that's why I only included the ones he personally ran into the ground.

I doubt anyone has time to ruin 500 companies.

>>50172709
> any suggestion that he wasn't as rich as he claimed he was.

He doesn't want people lying about him. So what?

>>50172709
He also edited some jokes to inflate the numbers. Something like a million dollar space station and he wanted the joke to be a billion dollar space station.

>>50172721
>Believing Trump is as rich as he claims
First off it would be a literal impossibility if he was as rich as he claims. Second, no one who knows anything about Trump thinks he's that rich.

>>50169585
Just an average Samedi.

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>>50172246

I've lost my faith not in the country, but in reason, of being prepared, of thinking that if you worked hard enough you can get what you want

ultimately this election effect us a lot less than it effects others around us. It's back to conservative values. And yes, that means the progress we've made to become a more inclusive society towards minorities and lbgt communities will decline. and climate change. and defending our allies. and checking Russia as a superpower.... and political discord will go down the toilet. but at the end of the day, it turns out that a lot more people hate the government than people thought.

I wanted to say that we should reach out to those that might be left behind but then I remembered the Russia thing

Good news is that punk rock just became a lot more relevant and Marijuana legalization won some ground

>>50173170
>ultimately this election effect us a lot less than it effects others around us.
I'm one of those LGBTs.
I've been linking out the transgender suicide hotline as many of my friends are panicking. They're worried about what will happen. Not just if Pence convinces Trump to make spiro a schedule one drug for those with a penis, but for the neoNazis that will feel empowered to fucking stab them.
I'm scared. I'm a horrible little shut in but my friends aren't. They're crying, they're scared. Ethnic violence rose 41% after Brexit. I'm legitimately worried that someone I know is going to die before January 6th even comes about.

>Good news is that punk rock just became a lot more relevant
Bash the Fasc, my brother.

>>50173223
>I've been linking out the transgender suicide hotline as many of my friends are panicking.

Pathetic. Oh noes another president got elected that doesn't give a rats ass about the sub-1% population of the country like all the others!

Of course thats not counting transtrending fucks like most of you all, in which case I hope you enjoy the taste of bleach.

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>>50173255
being a white cis fuck. i was saying it does not directly effect me. I am fine, but I know people aren't. I lot of people Aren't.

>but for the neoNazis that will feel empowered to fucking stab them.

Hate has been given a voice
and not silenced
not berated
not condemned

These people now think they have people backing them and their actions.

Christ look at the Planned Parenthood shootings and bombing. That was when people were more or less ambivalent.

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>>50172147
Socialism wouldn't work in America. It is undemocratic and anti-Christian. If you want to share the wealth, you need to do it properly.

>>50173223
>Ethnic violence rose 41% after Brexit.

Things that never happened for 100$ Danny.

>>50173307
Don't feel bad most people whining about the plight of the lgbtqiap+ tend to likewise be young-middle aged white males too.

But hey, you can try again to vote for someone that knowingly defended a rapist and laughed at the underage victim next time, if she lives that long.

>>50172279
Abara is the shit, I love Nihei's older work.
If you can wait a few years, Deviant might be what you want. Otherwise I'd honestly work over Vampire or even Exalted just for sheer physical stuff.

>>50171764
Wow, how can three words derail thread so easily? Definitely my best performance so far.

>>50172532
Tbqh I don't see any reason why they should run into other supernaturals more likely than other splats. Imho there are just two factors determining frequency of running into other splat - ability to recognize that the other one is supernatural and how often you come out so you have chance meet someone - here are definitely at disadvantage vampires who leave their havens only at night.
If some splat is more likely to run into other, it's Werewolves. They sense disturbances in Hisil which are often caused by supernatural shenanigans.

>>50172196

It's not my fear of his policies, his wall, any of that shit. My fear, is that we just gave the most monumental shitbag of a human, the biggest microphone to go be a fucking unhinged lunatic to the rest of the world, possibly leading to WW3. Like I could EASILY see this moron talk shit straight to Kim Jong Un's face, getting us bombed.

They were both bad, but if I had to have one, I'd take the shitty human that at least knows how to keep the shiftiness on the down low, and try to cover it up. Not be proud of it.

>>50173346
>Things that never happened for 500$
Hows that propaganda doing for you? Still believe in the wall?


>>50173418
Topical shit will flood the thread

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>>50173346

>He also targeted Muslims and Mexicans

yeah cause people fucking is so much more important than our foreign relations

>>50173446
>possibly leading to WW3

Currently, the fears of Trump and war are based off *speculation* and contradicted by his statements, while the fears of Hillary and war were based off her *declaration of intent* to use military force to retaliate against those who hack America. Coupled with the utterly shameless fearmongering about Russia, THAT'S what WW3 averted looks like.

>>50171932
>Seer

yeah the man harnessing harvesting and generating hate. Pretty spot on

>>50173223
Trans are always killing themselves, no need to blame it on Trump, who has displayed no negative attitude towards them at all.

The fearmongering is absolutely insane. It reminds me exactly of the loonies who thought Obummer was going to put people in FEMA camps.

>>50173551

Civilian and Military agency all agree. American deserves this one after not listening when they said "Yeah it was actually the russkies, this time"

>>50173468
>yeah cause people fucking is so much more important than our foreign relations

Well this is easy.

Trump: Do not make war with Russia
Hillary: Make war with Russia

>>50173567
Dude seriously. He's given people the biggest excuse to act like tossers. He literally told people at his rallys go slug a bitch. He's made drama plays out of people protesting against him, When they were actually his supporters. He's been about as anti Intellectual as it gets

>>50173581

An honest to god unironic member of the McCarthians. Amazing. Did you fly into seizures of rage about Dubya ACTUALLY palling up with Putin or give heed to the sage council of McCain and Sarah Palin about the Russian menace, or did their dire warnings about the reds go unheeded by you until the media told you to fear?

>Civilian and Military agency all agree.

Oh wow a bunch of people, mostly only distantly pertinent to the topic (Coast Guard etc), claimed, with zero evidence provided, that the Ruskies did it.

>>50172279
Definitely take a look at Demon, the characters are biomechanical monsters who use reality hacking powers and hide in human identities

>>50173618
>The Wall has been his greatest talking point since the beginning
You don't get that one

So you still believe ISIS is the major threat it never was. Good to Know

>>50173625
>He's given people the biggest excuse to act like tossers.

And yet the violence at his rallies we now know to be sent by the dems, and they certainly don't compare at all to the ISIS and BLM terrorist attacks this year. Talk about the *actual* biggest excuses to act like tossers.

>He literally told people at his rallys go slug a bitch.

IF someone was about to throw an object at him.

>>50173635
>Russian Hackers
>Everyone with some expertise agrees they did it

Facts are facts man. Going into Hyperbole doesn't help your case

>>50173255
He wants to executive order away all the social progress of the last 8 years, and his running mate thinks torturing gays is a-okay. Grow the fuck up.
>muh transtrenders!
Who the fuck gives a fuck? What position are you in to say that nonbinary people don't count? Who are you to say people are lying about how they feel?

>>50173346
>Things that never happened for 100$ Danny.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html
>Don't feel bad most people whining about the plight of the lgbtqiap+ tend to likewise be young-middle aged white males too.
And, you know, the queer community itself?
>But hey, you can try again to vote for someone that knowingly defended a rapist and laughed at the underage victim next time, if she lives that long.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
Trump is literally set to go to trial for rape, and bragged about sexual assault.
I don't want Hillary, I want Bernie. I want fucking social democracy already.

>>50173307
It was berated. The people doing the berating were harassed for "censoring people they don't agree with".

>>50173316
>undemocratic and anti-Christian
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>50173446
The problem with Trump isn't really even Trump, it's the fact that America voted for hate.

>>50173665
>BLM terrorist attacks
Y'know, anon, things like this reveal your power level.

>>50173679
>>Everyone with some expertise agrees they did it

Well no, a handful of warhawks with an agenda claim based off their souper sekrit evidence, a la the super sekrit evidence about "Baathist dictator is gassing people part 2."

>Facts are facts man

And yet no facts were presented, only completely hollow and unverifiable opinions from warhawks.

Its weird how nobody fucking notices the way the parasitic slug that is the war lobby oozed out of Bush's ear and into that of Obama and friends seamlessly. Nobody questions destroying Libya. Nobody questions bombing Syrians during a cease fire. Nobody questions the sheer insanity of threatening military force over hacked emails. That's AMAZING levels of mind control.

>>50173665
So when they told you about the kool-aid did you ask for grape or strawberry flavored?

And you still believe in ISIS and BLM terrorists. God get a history book. The most success and reoccurring terrorist attacks have been done by domestic whites. but that would require you to look deep down into yourself and realize all the pain and heartache is your own damn fault. and it's a lot easier to blame the other instead of actually saying shit is bad because we fucked up

>>50172583
5 dots in academics and crafts, he really is the best

More stats

>>50173707
>its weird that

this is where I know you don't actually have a point, and are just going off wild speculations because you think you're making a point

>>50173686
>it's the fact that America voted for hate.

One could argue the reason lefties are in the dilly of a pickle they're in now (defeat in every level of the government) can be found in the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Every Republican candidate (Dubya, McCain, Romney, and Trump) is the rebirth of fascism, everything is hate, everything is the end of the world, the sky is always falling.

The total inability to engage in honest communication or even comprehend why condemning a fourth of the country's population as irredeemable could be considered an unwise mood is why the totally tone deaf new left has completely, utterly fucked itself.

>>50173618
Hillary: Do some war crimes but at least keep it low
Trump: Actively advocate war crimes and racism to the point that the top brass have literally expressed concern over whether they should obey his orders.

>>50173567
Are you fucking kidding me?
http://transgenderuniverse.com/2016/11/08/transgender-veterans-truck-set-ablaze-and-labeled-trump/
He picked a fucking conversion therapy advocate as his Goddamned running mate.

The fear about Trump is real and based on shit that has already fucking happened just from the primaries and this drawn out shitshow of an election

>>50173665
Holy fucking shit you fucking shitstain. You fucking /pol/ motherfucker. It wasn't Democrats fucking throwing punches at his rally after he promised to pay legal fees (last I heard he reneged).

>>50173688
>Y'know, anon, things like this reveal your power level.

Okay, "terrorist attacks by BLM protesters who identify themselves as hating all white people and all cops, including in one case doing so on fucking YOUTUBE and noting that he was inspired to Kill Whitey from the kill whitey occurring at the last BLM shooting."

>>50173744
It's the Liberal's fault, but not like you seem to think.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals

>>50173686
>I don't want Hillary, I want Bernie. I want fucking social democracy already

Yeah we all did. Bernie was the candidate the heart wanted. Hillary was the one the brain wanted. Bernie was too much the radical change that was never going to happen, but Hillary was the more moderate, but still leaning towards progress. So it made sense, from a political prospective

>>50173708
>And you still believe in ISIS and BLM terrorists.

You're a special kind of brainwashed.

We're talking about, you know, the Trump era, not the pre Bush era.

And here we see the losing liberal in it's natural environment: Flailing and screeching.

Thanks for being the board's containment thread, lads.

>>50173744
I'm calling Bullshit on this one

Who has been the candidate that has continually pointed Hate and Blame at everyone? Towards immigration Towards the political establishment Towards the Media Towards the courts. Trump is a big baby that's gotten everything, and still complains.

>>50173751
Yeah, if I wanted to collect insurance I would definitely torch my own property and paint my candidate's enemy's name on it. Hopefully the cops never wonder why no leads or witnesses ever turn up in these cases.

>>50173751
>It wasn't Democrats fucking throwing punches at his rally after he promised to pay legal fees

Only in the situation in which he was referring to protesters preparing to throw stuff at him. Since leftists are incredibly violent and remorseless lately, you can't be too safe.

On the other hand, the media taking the sound byte and portraying the idea that he says it constantly in all situations did make a single Trump supporter fall for it.

Nothing compared to the avalanche of lefty violence though.

>>50173799
All I'm saying is that I'd be more worried about the pasty fat nerd in his basement with IED text books, than the friendly African Muslim down the way who loves sports and his family.

>>50173764
Did you read about all that on ReturnOfKings?
The majority of terrorists in the United States are white. There is no war on cops.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/
https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2015/officers-feloniously-killed/felonious_topic_page_-2015

>>50173823
The Republican party has been the party of hate for a long time.
>I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come
LBJ, on signing the Civil Rights act. It's been Southern Strategy all the way.

>>50173838
Oh yeah, totes. It's the liberals who do that.
Except, wait, no, it's people who paint BLM on their shit that turn out to be lying. Why deny shit when there's more than enough proof going around? There's fucking video of people being assaulted at his rallies after he told them to.

>>50173851
>Leftists are incredibly violent and remorseless lately
You honestly believe that, don't you. And yet it's minority groups that are always the victim.

He also repeatedly encouraged violence at his rallies. There are plenty of supercuts.

>>50173815
It's cool

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>>50173851
>avalanche
Right K Just keep Demonizing everyone that doesn't agree with your privileged middle class upbringing's POV

>>50172695
Trump world of orangeness

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>>50173823
>Who has been the candidate that has continually pointed Hate and Blame at everyone?

Hillary has most definitely pointed more hate and blame at a higher percentage (about 25%) of the population. Just being objective, though.

Perhaps if the dems took the high road for once and didn't constantly peddle screaming hatred and incite violence, maybe they'd have had a chance.

Need I point out what they did to the last outsider?

Oh well, the dems will have a long time to think about their mistakes.

>>50173870
>All I'm saying is that I'd be more worried about the pasty fat nerd in his basement with IED text books, than the friendly African Muslim down the way who loves sports and his family.

Lately we've seen zero of the former and plenty of muslim terrorists and Nation of Islam terrorists. And I'm sure that leftists will go redouble their violence in the wake of their crushing defeat.

>>50173879
>The Republican party has been the party of hate for a long time

Yeah but this was one the most modern times it's been so open and on display. Mostly it was just undercutting and passive aggressive bullshit. polling stations and gerrymandering

>>50173879
>Except, wait, no, it's people who paint BLM on their shit that turn out to be lying.

You must have missed the plentiful cop shootings with your tunnel vision. At least one (the Baton Rouge shooter) even thoughtfully explained himself, his desire to exterminate white people, and how he was inspired at the Dallas shooting. His youtube is still up.

>>50173890
Privilege checked

>>50173890
Yeah, nah, disliking people who want to kill me because of the color of my skin.

>>50173894
Who was it endorsed by David Duke again? Who was it who didn't deny the KKK? If you think the Dems were peddling hate when hate was built into the Republican platform, you're a fucking idiot.

>>50173910
Bull fucking shit.

>>50173924
Trump didn't use the dogwhistles and still won. That makes me sad.

>>50173925
>Baton Rouge
HE LITERALLY FUCKING SAID HE WASN'T AFFILIATED WITH BLM YOU DUMBASS.

>>50173937
>Believing you're persecuted for being white
This is the biggest fucking entitled bullshit ever.

>>50173910
>equating radical terrorists to Democratic party

K You just keep believing that half the country secretly wants to grab guns and instill religious law

Oh waits those are the Republicans

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>>50173944
Say it with me. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

Truly Dracula was right. We are all trapped in our One World of Darkness (tm)

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>>50173960
Mr. President

>>50173944
>hate was built into the Republican platform
The sad part is the Rparty realized and knew this was the reason they failed against Obama. And were trying to change their platform, but then Trump Stepped in and became everything the Right had been building and claiming for the past twenty years. Smashed everything

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>>50173979

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>>50173979
But the country is still gonna be strong We went through a Bush in 2000 which may be the cause of our econ problems but the Republicans ... I dread since they didn't tear him down when they could we're gonna have to trust them to do the right thing... ... ... ...

>>50173979
I don't really agree. They didn't want to change anything. Homophobia and sexism are basically built into their platform, and all of their policies are designed to be detrimental to the poor and underprivileged, who are disproportionately minority. They didn't want to change, they just wanted to sort of maybe look like they'd changed.

>>50174004
Bush, Bush, Reagan... why do people keep voting Republican?

>>50173944
>Who was it endorsed by David Duke again?

A likely FBI plant at best and a man desperate for plastic surgery cash at worst.

>If you think the Dems were peddling hate when hate was built into the Republican platform, you're a fucking idiot.

Modern Republican hatred: "Here's an idea, how about border control, like how most countries in the world see it and how the Clintons used to see it."

Modern Democrat hatred: "Here's an idea, how about we accuse random (mostly black) cops of being white supremacists so we can marginally increase our voter turnout in a few years?"

Does not compare.

>>50174036
Please come back to the real world

>>50173944
>HE LITERALLY FUCKING SAID HE WASN'T AFFILIATED WITH BLM YOU DUMBASS.

He literally said he was at the Dallas BLM protest and was inspired to murder cops and white people as a result of watching the Dallas sniper. On youtube. Directly says so. I don't know what more you want, Aspel. Its a non anonymous, direct declaration of intent that he was so inspired by black on white racial violence at a racial grudge rally that he wanted to go out and commit as much black on white racial violence as possible, and then did so. Into a video camera. No room for interpretation.

>This is the biggest fucking entitled bullshit ever.

When people say they were inspired by seeing others killing white people & cops, and wanted to join in and explicitly stated on youtube that he also wants to kill as many white people and cops as possible, its safe to say that, yes, that's fucking real, genocidal race based hatred.

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>>50174027
>I don't really agree. They didn't want to change anything

Wanting to do something and Needing to do something; don't need to be the same thing. They did brainstorm a platform to bring in the Mexican vote. then threw that shit away at the first opportunity

>Bush, Bush, Reagan... why do people keep voting Republican

We are the McDonald Nation. We want fast food they'll kill us

>>50173957
Great doublethink: theoretical fat white kid in a basement with IEDS are representative of Trump supporters, but actual democrats with houses full of guns and bombs raised by Taliban supporting democrats are not representative of democrats despite being democrats.

>>50174058
http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/baton-rouge-shooter-unaffiliated/
The video is literally titled "I am NOT affiliated with anyone".

>>50173417
I took a look at Deviant, but it's not the same theme that I want in my own homebrew but fairly close. Looking at Demon and its transformation system is more akin to what I want to make.

>>50173656
While the "reality hacking powers" are a bit too high-power for my idea, the rest of the things is definitely cool, especially the Covers thing which I am gonna adapt.

Looking at creating some factions at the moment, and thinking of what bonuses they could give. Some extra dots at chargen is one but I was thinking, with ideas from a friend, about some faction making so that 9's also explode, is that a fair bonus in comparison to a plain extra dot? As I see it, it's either one safe extra die versus the potential for many more dice.

>>50174063
>They did brainstorm a platform to bring in the Mexican vote. then threw that shit away at the first opportunity

How many elections are they supposed to hand to the democrats in a row (while still being called fascists), exactly?

When everything is the racist sexist fascist homophobic end of the world, eventually people the power of scary words is broken.

>>50173686
>He wants to executive order away all the social progress of the last 8 years, and his running mate thinks torturing gays is a-okay. Grow the fuck up.

To be completely honest I think you SJW cunts are the worst thing that happened to liberalism and sexual advancement for the past 26 years, you have already undone decades of honest social work and replaced it with your demented nonsense mixed with sexism and racism, dressed up in virtue signalling egomania. If the past 8 years social progress is eroded I couldn't be happier because finally we'll be on the right track to actually do some good instead of continuing with the shit you coopted.

>>50174089
Are you implying we shouldn't call racism fascism and homophobia out?
You are aware that actual people's lives are at risk, right?

>>50174101
And I think you're not a liberal if you feel that way.
Go fuck yourself if you want to throw people under the bus.

>>50174077
Like I said, just inspired from attending a rally and, after observing the anti white and anti cop violence, decided to do so and stated so on film.

You may envision no card + going out of state to attend a rally =! BLM, but presumably you would accept a guy who goes to a Trump rally in another state without actually buying a hat or signing up for text messages or whatever as a Trump supporter. C'mon.

>>50174113
Even if he was a card carrying member of BLM, you're weighing that against mountains of evidence that there's a war on blacks, and not a war on cops, and not a war on whites, and on top of that all the violence that's been done against minorities.
"Riots are the voices of the unheard."

>>50174101
>It's all those minorities who are the REAL bigots!

>>50174112
>Are you implying we shouldn't call racism fascism and homophobia out?

When the three guys decried as fascists (McCain, Romney, and Dubya) join your side to stop the one guy who is knocking down the establishment, you should either reconsider your friends or consider that maybe, just maybe, they weren't Literally Hitler and that if they are all Literally Hitler, nobody is.

>>50174132
>you're weighing that against mountains of evidence that there's a war on blacks

Nobody's denying anti black hate crimes, retard. At all. Not even 1%. Try again.

> and not a war on cops, and not a war on whites

Just terrorists inspired by racist sentiment dedicated to killing cops and white people due to anti cop and anti white violence they saw at a rally they had to drive out of state to get to.

>>50174089
not fascists
Classicist

Rich over Poor and shrink the Middle

>>50174072
What are you ignorant? Oregon Militia Took over a Federal Building and begged for supplies.

Good job trying to equate the the two statements (man reading compression in this country is retarded) but I'll boil it down for you. fatkid= actually terrorist threat . Taliban = foreign threat halfway across the world. that have no bearing on our political structure. Do try again Anon maybe this time you wouldn't fail English 101

>>50174135
I don't really remember anyone calling them fascists to begin with. Bush, sure, but not the others.

>>50174155
Okay, you've got one terrorist. And? You want a fucking cookie? There are so many more people ready to shoot up Planned Parenthood, and so much more ready to beat and assault minorities. I don't give a fuck if there was a BLM terrorist. I don't even give a fuck if there actually are BLM members who want to kill whitey. Frankly, I don't blame them if they do. They're actually factually being discriminated against and oppressed. Killing people isn't the answer, but fuck, should it be any surprise if someone wants to try?

Everyone wants to jump and hold up left wing terrorism while ignoring the much more prevalent right wing terrorism, and they always want to ignore the systemic injustice that brings about left wing terrorism.

>>50174188
Oh God, don't remind me of the Ya'll Qaeda.
https://youtu.be/P2QZYOo6Bjc

>>50174155
>Nobody's denying anti black hate crimes, retard. At all. Not even 1%. Try again.

Not Denying ... ... Just ignoring the fact and giving a overwhelming amount of dispersing coverage and understand to Missing White Women Syndrome

>>50174135
Bullshit did they try to do anything, beyond saying He used a few too many naughty words

>>50174188
>not fascists
>Classicist

I'm talking about how they were labelled and attacked.

>>50174112
>And I think you're not a liberal if you feel that way.

And I don't think you get to decide that, especially not after behaving like a far righter for over a decade.

>>50174132
>It's all those minorities who are the REAL bigots!

You're not a minority Aspel. You're a middle-aged white man that decided to be a transsexual when it seemed like a cool thing to do on the internet. Look in the mirror for once and fuck off already.

>>50174188
>What are you ignorant? Oregon Militia Took over a Federal Building and begged for supplies.

Nobody was hurt, no private party was interfered with, aside from the dead militia guy. Doesn't have anything to do with the topic though.

>fatkid= actually terrorist threat

Actually imaginary terrorist threat
>Taliban

Talking about people who are over here, not Taliban.

>>50174241
Not to mention they were really against Trump for the fear of what it would do to the party. Partly because they didn't think he could win.

Boy, where they wrong.

>>50174264
If you think that the SJWs are acting like the far right, you're ignorant, pure and simple. If you think that the SJWs are trying to suppress or censor you, you're entitled and paranoid.
Also, yes, I am a fucking minority you asinine sack of shit.
Also, middle aged? Jesus, that hurts more than being called a fake tranny.

>>50174270
>Nobody was hurt
>Except for the dead guy
Yeah, you can totally fire on cops and try to usurp government land, as long as no one gets hurt, it's fine.
It was an actual fucking terrorist action and the fact that no one was hurt isn't a reason to dismiss it, it's a fucking cause for celebration.

>>50174276
5 dots of Fate.

>>50174241
>Just ignoring the fact and giving a overwhelming amount of dispersing coverage and understand to Missing White Women Syndrome

Not at all.

>>50174294
>There is literally more oppression and discrimination
>You ignore it to point out the black guy doing bad things
>But you're totally not buying into the statistically biased media coverage

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>>50174270
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Tsarnaev

Pretty Lily white face right there

>>50174287
>Yeah, you can totally fire on cops and try to usurp government land, as long as no one gets hurt, it's fine.

Nobody fired on cops, but an old guy did get shot to death while stumbling around in confusion.

>It was an actual fucking terrorist action

Minus the terrorist part and anything remotely similar to terrorism. Equating the occupying of government property to terrorism would make, say, OWS terrorists.

>and the fact that no one was hurt isn't a reason to dismiss it

Well a guy got killed, but he was a dumbass, so oh well.

But yeah OWS are definitely terrorists, we should have killed every last one of them.

Question, is this a World of Darkness thread or a Politics thread? Cause I may be in the wrong thread.

>>50174287
>Also, middle aged? Jesus, that hurts more than being called a fake tranny.

Sorry I was basing it off the fact that you've been here nearly at the beginning of /tg/ 12 years ago, and assumed you're were at least 18 then.

>Also, yes, I am a fucking minority you asinine sack of shit.

You're white as a fucking snowflake man.

>If you think that the SJWs are acting like the far right, you're ignorant, pure and simple. If you think that the SJWs are trying to suppress or censor you, you're entitled and paranoid.

That's some entitled and paranoid opinions you have there but I guess apparently you need multiple reality checks to get the hint.

>>50174309
Occupy Wallstreet were fucking protesters, not armed revolutionaries

>>50174300
If you're surprised that not all muslims are brown you'll be really surprised to find out that Mohammed was ginger.

>>50174315
Its a "I was too lazy and criminally incompetent to vote, so I will bitterly bitch and pretend the sky is falling" thread.

>>50174315
It'll pass, it was to be expected, especially on this general which is pretty much lefty-/pol/.

People will get it out of their system and return to the usual program of shitposting, at least till Paradox kills off OPP's rights to anything aside of Pugmire, Cavalier of Mars, Beast and Renegade.

>>50174320
They occupied government land, therefore they were terrorists, therefore they should all have been murdered by the government.

Fair's fair, even if the boot is on the other foot.

>>50174287
>for the fear of what it would do to the party

But Mommy I don't want play the bad guy again it makes me feel like an asshole. Stupid it little twirp this is how we control the masses.

Facts don't do jack shit in the world.

>>50174264
Literally attacking the speaker instead of the message. Shity debate tactic ANon. This is why you'll never get a promotion

>>50174328
He was an American who used IEDs. My point is proven Anon. You changing the context goals doesn't discredit it

>>50174347
>Literally attacking the speaker instead of the message. Shity debate tactic ANon. This is why you'll never get a promotion

Laughable considering all these years you've done nothing but call people that disagreed with you over anything everything from misogynist racist rednecks to cocksucking faggots back when you were less "transsexual".

If the dish is sour don't blame me, you're the fucking cook.

>>50174343
Then take the first Shot Anon DOIT. Make that call. Everyone do disobeys the Goverment should be held to the same punishment. Both extremist groups get neutralized. Fairs Fair Right?

>>50174363
A muslim terrorist immigrant is the best example you can think of. Amazing.

>>50174381
Sounds great.

>>50174379
wow you kind of suck at this man. but since we're all anon. Good Job fucking us all, developing the level of discourse to a level you're more comfortable for you convenience and to the determent of us all

Jesus christ I am so sick of this general turning into /pol/ Take your politics elsewhere or shut up and talk about games

>>50174384

Also got this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

>>50174407
All us never bothered you in your constant crusade of shitposting, why do you act like it does now?

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>>50174414
Don't know why you're complaining. This shit is hilarious. Besides it's not like you guys were using this thread for anything

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>>50174379
/tg/ is what helped me realize I was trans. Also, that wasn't me, but he's right, you've really got no argument other than thinking the SJWs are coming for you.

>>50174415
There's also the fact that all the people who actually know what they're talking about say that Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat to the country's security
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html
https://thinkprogress.org/right-wing-terrorists-are-killing-more-americans-than-jihadists-are-and-now-the-doj-will-act-9000a7e09ed5#.fynxf5ki2

>>50174439
>Besides it's not like you guys were using this thread for anything

Can you imagine there was a time when we had multiple WoD threads daily, 90% discussing the game all the time? This is what you get when the fanbase is ousted by delusional hipsters from other forums.

>>50174445
For once I agree with Aspel. Attacking someone for being trans is not only just a general dick thing to do its not an argument.

>>50174439
I also want to make it clear I am telling both lefties and rightys to go fuck themselves.

>>50174438

That's some protagonist centered morality You got going there Anon. except in Reality there are no protagonists

>>50174445
>Nytimes, newsweek, thinkprogress

I really am starting to think that anon's brainwashing comment was spot on.

>>50174445
>Right Wing terrorism
Well yeah all terrorism is bad no matter what the ideological reasoning behind it is. Should we ignore islamic extremists because of these people?

>>50174462
>For once I agree with Aspel. Attacking someone for being trans is not only just a general dick thing to do its not an argument.

Being a trans is fine if you're actually a trans, unlike Aspel whom is a transtrending piece of shit that blighted the general far too long. He was quite vocal about his gay then bisexual bashing autism as well back in the day before he started to roleplay as sexually molested children all the time.

>>50174472
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/terror-threat-homeland-security/
Guess the Department of Homeland Security is also brainwashed.
>>50174477
Yes, actually. Yes, we should ignore the shit that's barely happening if at all in favour of the shit that is happening quite a lot.

>>50174487
Are you really this fucking stupid?
I've always been a radical queer progressive. At worst I was just a shitty one who acted too much like a channer before I met other people and got my head out of my ass.

>>50174487
I literally have no idea what you are trying to say right now.

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Lets hope the next thread goes well, anons.

>>50174487
Again that's not an argument, that's attacking a person and not their argument.

We are Anon Here and therefore all we have is our Message. We have no names or titles or colour or heritage or politcal statement.

Stop being a sore loser and actually come up with an argument. otherwise that is shitposting with no context and no fun to be had.

>>50174508
He doesn't like me so that means I'm obviously lying about being queer.

>>50174498
>got my head out of my ass.

If you've ever in your life done that I would not have any beef with you, but you've been nothing but the same vitrolic piece of shit for over a decade now, I've seen you rage at literally everything from bisexuality to autism (ironic) to religion to atheism to both WoDs to actually suicidal thread regulars in the same self righteous retarded manner as you constantly shitpost now. You have changed nothing, ever, just swapped around your hipster self entitlement for edgyness then moral signalling perfectly intune with the younger generations of the internet. I have never, ever seen you act with any manner of integrity, just an obsessive compulsive need to prove yourself superior to your current imaginary foe, then becoming vindictive, offensive and generally inexcusable when proven wrong in your current weekend ideology.

That you've just barely missed the permanent ban that snatched the worst of the old fucks of this board is your single beneficence from above and our goddamn curse.

>>50174472
Anon, militia groups in the US have been considered a top threat to the nation since the 60s, but the gov't can't directly target such groups because:
They are incredibly insular, and can't be infiltrated with the lure of money.
They are heavily armed, and the price of using force to root them out would be a PR nightmare. Look at the crew that took over the town in Western US (who are all currently being found not guilty of all charges by a jury of their peers with no outcry).
>>50174477
Anon, you are comparing terrorists who have done relatively little (in terms of grand scheme, they are usually caught before anything happens quietly) and are across the world, with multiple groups of heavily armed individuals who have repeatedly stated threats of violence against the lawfully instated gov't of a country.
The best part is that the same gov't has had no problems resorting to overt violence and counterintelligence against other fringe groups, but right wing militia groups have been given an outright pass for decades.

CHRONICLES OF DARKNESS

WORLD OF DARKNESS

Since Deviant won't be out for years, what is the best system to play a transforming hero like Kamen Rider or Guyver that is actually out?

>>50174549
No, I got my head out of my ass and you'd have preferred I kept it there. I have not raged at bisexuality or autism. Or nWoD. Or suicidal thread regulars. I was never a self-entitled hipster. I'm essentially constantly living on borrowed time and I know it.

My foe isn't imaginary, either. Nevermind that you're (presumably) the one who was bitching about that old SJW boogeyman. Meanwhile my foe has a party platform and public policy and there is statistical evidence. I'm sorry if you can't understand that. I'm sorry if you honestly believe that the SJW menace is out there waiting to censor you with ~authoritarianism~.

>>50174596
Demon, though I've been thinking of doing a Hunter Org for it.

>>50174596
>Since Deviant won't be out for years

It'll either be out soon or never.

>>50174602
How would you go about doing it in Hunter?

>>50174549
>the average tg/ user

Anon are you perhaps projecting? Attacking a piece of work is not the same as attacking a person. And attacking pieces of work is actually encouraged on this board pretty regularly

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>>50169585

OP. Perhaps we can or should remove the aspel pasta link. because it calls to attention a user that would prefer to remain Anon? and because the name keeps poping back up as a derailment issue. wouldn't it be better to Let Anon become Anon again? So we can get on with the discussion without these wild tangents on Identity?

>>50174674
...The fag in OP's post IS Aspel.

>>50174674

This anon has a point.

>>50174674
Nigga, we'll always know who fucking Aspel is because he argues exactly the same fucking way ,every fucking time.

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>>50174621
Essentially Demon Form as an Endowment.
The idea is a Scientology/Unitology/Universal Brotherhood style group that's actually a front for a Lovecraftian cult that fights against supernatural entities that would control and subvert humanity (it's not a Hunter Org without some hypocrisy). Basically Tagers from CthulhuTech.

I actually lost my first draft, I think. The idea was that some Arctic voyage resulted in finding a hidden alien city where only strange egglike shards remained. The lead explorer had a vision and took the eggs back home to create a religion where he would allow his faithful to be merged with the symbiotes to serve as assassins to make the world a better place.
Like, the idea is that they're honestly a nice friendly unity cult... that also happens to worship alien entities and have bloody bodyhorror transformations.

The Endowment would be the ability to transform into your Guyver form, which would start out by giving only 1/1 armour and little more, but then there would essentially be "trees" where you purchase new features, sort of like the way Goetic Gospels are handled, but less shitty.

>>50174700
Yes, he's saying that people should stop obsessing over me.

>>50174703
Thank you good sir

>>50174720
Then you don't need the pasta Link

>>50174728
I like it. If you ever find your rules, please post 'em

>>50174618
How do you figure that?

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Me and my current circle of players/friends have decided to run a VtM story... And aside from not having access to the dead or largely extinct clans or bloodlines (Cappadocians, Salubri Healers, etc.), we're free to create just about any character we want that could work for a city that's under Anarch/Camarilla control, with the two factions pretty much at war with one another. We'll be *starting out* as Anarchs, but obviously getting the possibility to deflect to the Camarilla or do anything else if we want (and can pull it off).

Given that I've never played one before, I decided to take the chance to play a Samedi character, sort of like an enforcer/thug, inspired by Stubbs the Zombie. It seemed fitting, since Stubbs is a "Rebel without a Pulse" and we're in anarch country, heh.

So, I was planning to make him a heavy hitter, and fairly combat-focused. To keep in line with Stubbs' inability to speak (aside from "Braaaaains!"), I also decided to give him the Mute (4pt) flaw.

Do you anons have any advice on what direction I should try to take the character, or which other skills/disciplines I should focus on? As mentioned, I want to mainly stick to the "Stubbs" character in terms of skills and attributes, not personality, so I was thinking of dropping obfuscate in favour of only Thanatosis/Fortitude.

Any thoughts?

>>50175075
It's a cool concept, I guess, though I'm iffy about mute characters. It's a terrible flaw when roleplaying.

>>50175075
Oh man I loved playing Stubbs back in the day

>>50175107
>It's a terrible flaw when roleplaying.

Is it? I've never used this flaw before (or been in a group that's used it), but I figure that since I can talk to the Storyteller and explain what my character does OOC and still write messages IC, it wouldn't be too troublesome in terms of roleplaying it out.

Do you have bad experiences with people using this flaw? I mean, as I said, I've never used it or witnessed it in any of our plays before, so I'm eager to hear arguments for/against it.

>>50175135
Writing messages takes time, and people tend to treat that shit as instant.

I've seen a ton of people RP as mutes and it really never works out. Too much "I write down XYZ" or "I sign XYZ" with everyone perfectly knowing what they're saying.

>>50175135
Talking is very underrated, and people tend to treat it lightly. It is extremely important to be able to communicate instantly with others over a certain distance. What if you spot a an enemy and can't warn the others in time?

>>50175107
One of the most popular characters I've ever played was mute. She had a chalkboard she carried around to communicate and she was ornery as shit.

>>50175157
>>50175174
People like to abuse the concept 'Talking is a free action' too much

>>50175135
>>50175174
Adding to that, very few people can actually sign, so you'd have to resort to vague gestures and writing, which is slow and inefficient.

>>50175115
>Oh man I loved playing Stubbs back in the day

I recently played it again during Halloween. Was quite fun, even if there was the occasional bug/glitch that forced me to reload, heh.

But yeah, it's an awesome game, and although short it's pretty damn addictive.

>>50175157
>Writing messages takes time, and people tend to treat that shit as instant.
>I've seen a ton of people RP as mutes and it really never works out. Too much "I write down XYZ" or "I sign XYZ" with everyone perfectly knowing what they're saying.
>>50175207
>Adding to that, very few people can actually sign, so you'd have to resort to vague gestures and writing, which is slow and inefficient.
>>50175174
>Talking is very underrated, and people tend to treat it lightly. It is extremely important to be able to communicate instantly with others over a certain distance. What if you spot a an enemy and can't warn the others in time?

Hmm, I see. I'll take that into consideration; me and the Storyteller might be able to figure out a solution, and if not, I'll just skip taking that flaw.

I do agree that writing messages takes time, though. Or at least if the message is longer than just short messages like "Where?", "Why?", "Yes", "No", etc... although, yes/no are also relatively easy to show through nodding/shaking one's head.

In a relaxed scene, it makes sense for the other characters to not be in a rush though, so as I see it there wouldn't be much issue in just going with "I write down blablablabla" since the characters would have the time to write it/read it. I agree that it's a much bigger flaw in rushed scenes or in combat, when one can't suddenly scream "look out!" or "aim for the knees!" and such. The fact that it *would* be an issue in terms of helping your allies in combat is what drove me to pick the flaw in the first place though, aside from the whole "Stubbs didn't talk either" thing.

>>50169661
While it's been lovely watching people shit all over themselves about Politics, does anyone have any commentary on my questions?

>>50175592
just come to infinite chan /tg/. There is no political shitposting whatsoever.

>>50175592
The posters here don't play, they just read about the books and pretend to know everything.

>>50175592
For your first question I'd say no. In my opinion controlling/creating essence is under the purview of Spirit since they specifically mentioned it on the Arcana description.

>>50175944
>The posters here don't play, they just read about the books and pretend to know everything.

I play, I just don't play Mage. I find it boring in both WoD and CofD.

So since I know only what little stuff I remember from reading in the books years ago, and since those settings don't interest me, I saw no reason to give a reply that would be subpar and uninformed at best.

I'm much more down with VtM/VtR, with a preference for VtM due to me liking the setting and the lore of the clans/bloodlines.

>>50175592
Try another chan, 7 forexample. Everyone left there years ago, most of the people here are just OPP forum dregs that came when they found out the devs had a place they didn't have to deal with them.

>>50175592
>1. Can Mind/Death Mages produce Goetia or Ghost Essence like Spirit Mages can?
No.
>2. With the Channel Essence option for Death/Mind 2, give Spirit essence to a Goetia/Ghost?
Yes.
>3. Can you summon a Supernal entity into the Astral? What about the Shadow? What about Twilight?
I'd say that anywhere where you can cast magic you can summon.
>4. Can Artifacts have an Astral existence? Such as an Artifact within one's mind?
Probably.
>5. Can you remove memories before they're scourged by Quiescence, saving the Sleeper from a breaking point?
I'd say no.
>6. For the effects of Temporal Pocket, what counts as moving an object? I would assume gasses are exempted, but what about their movement? Do they snap back like a spring when no longer used? Can you walk up stairs? What about walk along a rope bridge? Can you include animate objects (such as a motorcycle, some food and water) as a part of the spell's 'subjects' for a short road trip in the blink of an eye?
Storytellers discretion, I'd rule that movement that would count as an offensive instant action breaks the spell. So you could walk up the stairs. But when you throw a drawer full of steak knives at a guy the spell ends (Za_Warudo.png). Could you use the spell to travel superhumanly quickly? Sure, but there are more efficient ways to do that.

>>50176306
>>1. Can Mind/Death Mages produce Goetia or Ghost Essence like Spirit Mages can?
>No.
Why would you say that?

>>50174549
>You have changed nothing, ever
to be honest Aspel changed one important thing, which makes me really sad.
Stopped using tripcode.

>>50169661
>A few questions I'm going to repost from last thread, as I got no answers (and some others)
>1. Can Mind/Death Mages produce Goetia or Ghost Essence like Spirit Mages can?
unlike anon above I think yes. I think I have read in Demon something about incompatibility of angelic essence with other types of essences, so I would think, that different arcanas control different types of essences
>2. With the Channel Essence option for Death/Mind 2, give Spirit essence to a Goetia/Ghost?
yes
>3. Can you summon a Supernal entity into the Astral? What about the Shadow? What about Twilight?
yes, except Twilight, for that they would need Twilight from
>4. Can Artifacts have an Astral existence? Such as an Artifact within one's mind?
dunno
>5. Can you remove memories before they're scourged by Quiescence, saving the Sleeper from a breaking point?
I'd say yes
>6. For the effects of Temporal Pocket, what counts as moving an object? I would assume gasses are exempted, but what about their movement? Do they snap back like a spring when no longer used? Can you walk up stairs? What about walk along a rope bridge? Can you include animate objects (such as a motorcycle, some food and water) as a part of the spell's 'subjects' for a short road trip in the blink of an eye?
I would imagine it as kind of bubble from which when you try to forcibly expel something, the bubble breaks. I would definitely allow stairs, rope bridge would be stretching it (same with doors). Maybe you could say that if you push slowly and carefully, bubble doesn't break. I would allow including such objects (motorcycle, food, etc.) as long you stay with them inside single bubble.

I may have memed a little too hard in my last session of Hunter. I had an encounter planned where the group would have to chase down a punked-out greaser in a claimed muscle car, but I got this goofy idea in my head of "What if when they go to find him, he's already fighting someone on the road".
Long story short, they had to chase down said greaser while he had a Battle of the Bands esque fight atop his car with a character that was basically Deathgrips the lore friendly NPC

>>50173688
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. *shrug*

>>50173893
Maybe he's orange because he's a Fomori?

I can imagine the portly motherfucker having "Stomach Pumper" as a power.

>>50173910
Someone has forgotten about Timothy McVeigh, how terribly convenient.

He loved his country too.

>>50173937
You're American. Your people kill each other over the most bullshit reasons imaginable. I want your shoes, you fucked my wife, I got laid off from the post office, etc. Who cares about the reason? If you were serious about reducing the chances of getting shot, you'd lobby about gun control, but suggesting that to an American is like suggesting blasphemy to the Pope.

>>50173960
PRESIDENT ANNOYING ORANGE

>>50177124

Nah everyone knows trump is a changeling from lost.

He created strife and feeds from it. He looks human but slightly off. Probably a orange elemental or a dragon kith.

>>50176246

Personally i came here exactly because i dont have to deal with OPP devs/mods and their bullshit.

>>50174453
You could always fuck off if you hate it so much. Which awful lefty terrorist SJW is forcing you to read the thread?

>>50169661
>5. Can you remove memories before they're scourged by Quiescence, saving the Sleeper from a breaking point?

I would say no because even if you remove the memory the damage to integrity is already done i dont remember if you couls buy it back with xp though but it would be good excuse for doing it.

However it has the complication of maintaining the spell or relinquishing it and risk someone countering and then it could, in theory provoke another breaking point.

However if you wanna find a way to bypass quiessence as a DM then that a good one.

>>50175836
Avoid 420chan - it's infected with alt-right off their heads on drugs, frat boys incapable of decent conversation and mods that kickban when they're bored.

>>50177381
its a good thing that I didnt say 420 chan did I?

>>50177344
Thing is, that doesn't happen from Quiescence until the end of the scene, when the Abyss notices and says "hey, stop that".

>>50177483
True and permanently editing someone's memory is an act of hubris. So pick your poison.

>>50177420
Bloody oath. If you think Aspel is creepy, he has nothing on the Spardot and Kirtaner. They used to have live "smoke-offs" over webcam until Kirt fisted himself on camera after too much crack.

>>50177511
Eh, there's a good justification if you're doing it to save them from incredibly likely mental trauma, which they can in no way learn from.

Probably a breach against 6, maybe only 7?

>>50177546
idk that sounds like a fun time

>>50177564
I'd probably give a dice advantage but I'd still make a player roll. I don't want them to solve the fallout of blasting magic around willy-nilly with more magic.

>>50177609
Separate larger actions into greater Hubristic acts.

Throwing Magic around like a lunatic?
That's Hubristic as fuck, even if you erase their memories.

Can you heal the soul-shocked condition with magic that restores willpower?

>>50177695
Yes. The Condition merely states you cannot regain them from Virtues, Vices, or equivalent traits.

However the means of doing so with Magic are slim.
Devouring the Slan can do so at the cost of being a horrendously Hubristic thing to do.
Life spells can do so as a result of instantaneous rest, though this might not be repeatable.

Mind 3 however is by far the easiest way to do so, using the +1 Reach option on Clear Thoughts, to regain a point of Willpower.
Though I'm uncertain whether you'd need to combine that with the +2 Reach option to make it lasting, to ensure the Willpower doesn't disappear when the spell ends.

>>50173708
>The most success and reoccurring terrorist attacks have been done by domestic whites.
because niggers and muzzies are subhuman

>>50175836
>Just come to "4chan isn't #gamergate enough" to get away from political shitposting
I don't believe you.

>>50177546
wut

>>50178157

I think devouring the slain doesn't risk hubris so long as you only use it on ghosts. I vaguely recall ghosts and low level spirits classified as not being 'sapient'.

>>50178157
Thanks.

Question about imbued items. Do you need a spell to recharge an item or does sticking it next to some source of mana/tass work? Also do spells cast with an imbued item/artifact count against your spell control?

>>50178269
>I don't believe you.
No really. I am in the WoD general there and no one is saying anything about it.

>>50178374
Depends on what philosophy you follow.
Though yes, Atlantean Creed does claim that ghosts aren't sapient.

>>50178444
You need Prime to channel mana into it normally.
Though I think if you leave it by a hallow, it should eventually recharge when the mana feeds in.

>>50177695
Doesn't say it isn't allowed. So it's a shit condition with 0 actual effect.

So anyone think we'll see Cursed Necropolis: Rio before the sun expands and consumes our planet?

>>50178747
Yes, but it might be the last CofD supplement before judgement day.

>>50172519
Changelings do things through deals. Ask yourself; is there any point in the future were teaming up with a race of unstoppable killing machines would help me keep that old keeper away?Ho w about the other monsters that come out of the hedge, let alone the normal horrors of the world?

So we bargain. I will give you impossible things, take you to places few can travel and help you when you need it the most. All I ask? Kill that fucker every time you see him. Yes more then once. Yes I'm sure. Why yes he does have chicken legs, thank you for noticing.

Does anyone have the oWoD book Blood Treachery as PDF?

>>50179692
yes

>>50178157
>Virtues, Vices, or equivalent traits.
Wouldn't it be nice if OPP didn't smear judeo-christian dichotomies all over their products, like a three year old painting with their own shit?

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>>50178199
0/10
/pol/ harder

>>50179692
yes

>>50179692
yeah, I do, thanks for asking.

>>50179692
ja, ich habe dich.

>>50179902
they're not limited to the standard 7

>>50179692
Its in the pastebin MEGA.

>>50179964
And yet, there those seven are.

1e was even more blatant.

>>50180066
Yes, and 2e no longer treats the default as being the only virtues or vices, so what's your point

Nude bread

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>>50180091
I already made my point. I'm sorry if your massive intellectual impairment made it impossible for you to discern.

>>50174544
You ARE lying about being Trans, Aspel, even your friends think so.

Acutally no, to be honest I think you DO beleive you're trans, but that simply isn't the reality.

>>50174596
I'd go with a Hunter Conspiracy, or maybe just a minor template.