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>>50144835
First for the horrible nightmare of warp travel.

>>50144835
Is there a Knight variant that can use both the Thermal cannon and the Battle cannon at once? If so I'm going to magnetize my Avenger gatling cannon to be able to fit the Battle cannon front.

>>50144835
>Sisters of Battle Edition
Sisterposters pls go and stay go

>>50144878
Yes it's the Renegade Knight

>>50144878
A renegade knight has a pick and choose loadout system. Anything you want, but it's for the badys only.

What's the tankiest army?
IE - High T, High wounds, High armor, fnp IWND etc, no eldar prancy dodgy bullshit.

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>>50144835
What will you do when the Sisters of Battle get their new codex?

>>50144890
Oh lol, of course it is.
Oh well. Then at least there IS a Knight that can, so I think I'll go ahead and do it anyway, since I've already broken off the Avenger gatling cannon front off the casing...

>>50144906
Imperial Knights.

>>50144906
>IE - High T, High wounds, High armor, fnp IWND etc, no eldar prancy dodgy bullshit.
Daemons running a Tetrad and nothing else will have the highest average T in the game

>>50144906
Nurgle, Grey Knights and NidZilla are all pretty bulky but are offset by being forced to field less models for their points

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>>50144890
Don't hate, nigger. Appreciate. ;\

[ SISTERS 4 LYFE ]

I'll be burning heretics alive for the rest of my life, and I'm a 4chan addict. Better get used to me.

F-f-friends?

Next IA when? I need my fix of new AdMech goodness.

>>50144906
Nidzilla, or deamon prices comes to mind first. Both only work becuse flying monstrous creatures also get to hide in the sky's.

>>50144912
>over study of religion
>SoB
It can't be heresy to focus on learning the gospel of the Emperor.

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>>50144912
Buy it? lol.

How many Codices have they had? I wanna read the old ones, too.

>>50144835
>tfw no SoB gf
Why even live?

>>50145072
Pope shafthat the 23rd

Besides Sisters, which army has the most metal models? I'm talking shit that hasn't been updated.

I'm not gonna bother buying old shit. I'll buy plastic if that's what's on the GW site.

>>50145072
I wonder if in the Imperium of Man civilians exist (and I'm talking about normal words, not Cadia). This Pope militant looks far too scarred and blasted to be a regular person.

>>50145166
>metal
Really not many choices. Maybe Guard?

>Fineshit casts of metal minis
Probably Inquisition.

>>50145179
Confessors fight in battle all the time. They urge their fellow soldiers to zealotry.

>>50145179
Yes civilians exist in the Imperium.

>>50145191
>Fineshit casts of metal minis

My first models were Fineshit, and I got raped. Just fucking raped.

>>50145193
Oh, so he's like that IG priest model who wields a huge chainsword?

>>50145217
Yeah. Exactly. He's the Sisters version of that. Sisters players take that exact model all the time.

>>50144906
IG can be pretty damn tanky

>>50145206
To be utterly wrecked en masse to trigger plot lines.

>The population and pdf were killed to a man by [bad guys]
>Send in the [Imperial stuff]


>every 40k story line ever

>>50145237
>tfw Confessor model dead and gone

>>50144906
Ironically enough eldar can be tanky as fuck. Wraith anything and most of their vehicles with the shielding tank upgrades are pretty tough to kill.

>>50145281
There's also

>The civilians became friends with blueberries and had healthy relations with them, sharing culture and tech freely
>Imperium catches onto it, crusades against the sector, exxterminates some of the worlds

>>50145284
It's not even easy to find these OOP models second hand. I'm not gonna stress it too much, but I'll probably stalk eBay.

>>50144906
>>50144936
>>50144938
I think that AdMech could give them a run for their money, between the giant robots and the tanks with invulnerable saves.

Especially once IA14 comes out, and we finally get to use the 30k mechanicum units in 40k.

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Can someone tell me what's up with the Harlequins? They a new faction?

They seem kinda cool.

>>50145335
There's only one reward for heresy anon.

>slain to a man

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Jesus fuck.

>"Embracing the role of Death in its entirety, there is no mercy in the heart of a Death Jester. His outsize shuriken cannon reaps a deadly toll on his enemies as each round, impregnated with virulent biotoxins, causes its victims’ metabolisms to spectacularly detonate."

This model makes my dick rush with blood. I'm erect.

>>50145354
Seconding this, Kastelans are a bitch to kill. Having an entire squad at T7 is straight up immune to anything S3 and below and even then they still have a 3+/5++ save that can reflect a shot back while being able to heal up to 2 wounds per turn if you attach your Dominus to them.

>>50145367
They work well as an ally for Dark Eldar, which is the only way I have seen them.

I know they are a smaller army with small codex.

Go read their 1d4chan Tactic page I suppose.

>>50145326
Not to mention eldar jetbikes get T4 3+ armor or 4+ jink.

>>50145377
FACT: If you were slain to a man if means you weren't faithful enough.

>>50144835
>Fresh(er) pasta
>Freshest Rules
https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

>Stale old PDFs
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!ddAxALZD

https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>FAQ’s and Errata (outdated but official)
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

> The Black Library(Stay the fuck away from the clowns)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb

>>50145367

I play with them pretty regularly. They're a solid if finicky army, better than what most people give them credit for.

>>50145396
I'm not saying that's the Maugetar...but that's the Maugetar

>"Wherever the Shadowseer treads on the battlefield discipline collapses, replaced by a bedlam of screams, gibbering and panicked, aimless gunfire. Through it all strides the Shadowseer – an island of sinister calm in an ocean of madness."

Wicked. Just wicked.

>>50145400
I'll check out the DE models. Maybe I'll like them just as much.

Still sticking with Sisters for a long time, but it's nice to view the other armies. I can't Sisterspost 24/7. It's getting old.

I don't want to be annoying. I genuinely like these threads.

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>>50145501
Oops. Fuck.

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>>50144966

>>50145507
10/10 Would kill a million Custodes with.

>>50145486
>Your table isn't utterly inundated with blocks LoS cover?
>You die.
>The other guy has drop pods or is heavily mechanized?
>You die.
>You fail to cast Veil of Tears?
>You die.
>The enemy brought some Flamer squads to bubble wrap with?
>You die.

>>50145367
>>50145396
They basically eldar grey knights with even better weapons but no armour.

They basically exist to murder elite units and monsters but they die to hordes. They also have a ton of powers and special rules that revolve around fucking with leadership and pretty much every single unit has hit n run + furious charge.

Name a fun chapter i could make a 200pt Kill Team out of. Preferably a chapter with any kind of relation to the Black Templars, good or bad.

>>50145552
Imperial Fists.

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>>50145527
This is useful as fuck. Thank you.

This fucker is awesome.

I'd paint his hair red, though. I'd run all my Harlequins black and red.

>>50145552
>Fun
Well that rules out Imperial Fists.

>>50145552
Emperor's Warbringers. They're IF who like to scout out and plan their battles before their enemy can even arrive, thereby becoming tactical geniuses, and gives an extra fluffy reason to use scouts.

>>50145589
>Bolters actually useful
>Can have Tank Hunters infantry priced exactly the same as Tacs

Nigger you take that back.

>painting yellow
I will give you this.

>>50145552
Crimson Fists. 200pts is like half the chapter, right? :^)

>>50145527
wow, 2015 and 2013 were great years for 40k

>>50145600
Also gives you an excuse to paint camo on their vehicles and scout cloaks, as well as having an olive drab color scheme.

>>50144941
You sound pathetic

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>>50145551
Thanks. Can you run them without DE, or is that suicide?

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>>50145645
Your opinion means less to me than garbage on the ground. Less than dog shit.

>>50145604
None of that is fun, just realiable.

Rators may be reasonable marines, but IF are are sensible marines with all the excitement an flavour of fortified oatmeal porridge.

>>50145648
Hordes are a hard counter to them and they lack real long range shooting or anti-tank so I wouldn't say pure harlies are good but... they're not 'Orks' if you know what I mean.

>>50144966
2nd edition
3rd edition rulebook
3rd edition Chapter Approved
3rd edition Witch Hunters
6-7ed two Adeptus Sororitas lists.

>>50143970 #
Keep up. I already mentioned that you'd have to play with the numbers from the current system.

As a general rule, I'd probably just drop AP6 and make most AP5 and AP4 weapons just +1 AP. The higher pen AP4 as well as AP3 and some AP2 would become +2 AP. AP2 and AP1 would get divided into +2 and +3 AP, with some crazy powerful shit going to +4 or +5.

>>50145689
>6-7ed
It was 5th and 6th

>Adeptus Sororitas
Oh I see you're just a bandwagoner

>>50145689
>6-7ed two Adeptus Sororitas lists.

Lists?

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>>50145683
Thanks. I love how they look. I'd paint them dark as fuck. Black and red. I'm gonna go through all the Dark Eldar models next.

>>50145677
In 30k you hear a testimony of an Imperial Commander who served in a campaign alongside a IF commander. He swears he never saw him smile once. Also, Dorn is described as "shaking hands is like an outburst of joy coming from the Imperial fist himself" by Sanguinius, which makes Horus laugh.

>>50145585
>>50145589
>>50145604
>>50145677
>>50145721
Why are they fun to shoot? I know they're big on their BRAKKA BRAKKA
>>50145600
Olive drab is gay
>>50145612
Are they fun to play?


Also, are Blood Angels fun? I have a jizzload of Assault dudes who i have no use for because they're worthless in a BT army.

>>50145532

I've run dual masques pretty often and do pretty well, top 5 at more than a few regional events. They is really mech MSU so you don't need to rely on veil

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Harlequins are cool as fuck. Also, they must be new. They're customizable as fuck.

>>50145758
Mexican mariiineeeeees! Arriba arriba

>>50145793
>customizable as fuck
>posts one of the most monopose models in their entire range

>>50145720
>I'm gonna go through all the Dark Eldar models next.

Well you don't have to share the whole gallery with us.

Where can I find old fluff sources?

I want to read Oldcron lore.

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>"None, even amongst the Harlequins, know the limits of the Solitaire’s abilities. Tales exist of these supernatural killers running up sheer fortress walls, spilling from the shadows inside locked bunkers, even slowing time itself. For any who stand in the Solitaire’s way, death is destined."

[ E L I T E ]

>>50145822
I won't.

>>50145831
Thanks for sharing.

>>50145831
>tfw you bring your DE and Harlies against a Ravenwing Army and they out Eldar you

It was a decent game but it went super quick because we were both playing fast and eliteish armies. However the 2+/3+ rerollable Jink and tons of AP2 with Grav and Plas even made my Harlequins jealous.

>>50145793
>They're customizable as fuck
I'm sorry but... most of their shit is basically monopose.

>>50145827
One of the MEGA links has old codices in pdf format.

Oldcrons are fucking boring though. Here, I'll summarize:

>Newcrons, except the C'tan made them their bitches
>Same as Newcrons, except even more devoid of any personality whatsoever
>fluff is about Necrons mysteriously showing up and killing shit in random places in the galaxy
>one interesting bit featuring Abby in a sidebar

Really the only interesting thing about them was the concept of Pariahs.
Oh yeah
>The Deceiver is implied to have seeded the pariah gene in humanity and is therefore responsible for blanks

What even is the reason for their existence these days?

>>50145878
Sarcasm?

I'm gonna stop sharing soon. Tired of people bitching at me. I don't really give a fuck, but I don't want to shit up these threads.

>>50145889
It's gonna take me five years to be good enough to play that kinda army. I'm scrubby at tabletop games.

>>50145935
>I'm gonna stop sharing soon
Anon, all of us here know what GW's model line looks like. There is no need to post pics from their webstore incessantly.

>>50145909
And Newcrons lore is embarrassing to read through for anyone above 12.

Considering that this is 40K, that's saying something.

>>50145901
The vehicles are insane, though.

>>50145950
>what is an opinion?

>>50145762
Yeah, I'm building my way up to a Masque, but theae lower point level games with Death Masque plus Shadowseers have been hell.

>>50145948
Alright. I'll stop.

>>50145967
It's implied that he's sharing his opinion, you colossal faggot. People should have to explicitly explain that shit.

Grow up.

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>power of friendship saves the day.

Really? Why are the marines such homosex, /tg/?

>>50145987
shouldn't*

>>50145967
That was an opinion in response to your opinion.

>>50145987
>People should have to explicitly explain that shit

I don't see an explanation in >>50145950 bronado.

>>50145990
They've got flaccid dicks. They're not sex anything.

Is there a template/program(?) I could use to build armies, count points etc. for learning purposes.

Thank you in advance

>>50146017
See: >>50145995

>>50146023
Google 40k Army Builder

Battlescribe is good but I hear their newest version has been having problems.

>>50146023
Battlescribe. A bit funky, and right now it's a bit busted since they just updated it to 2.0, but it does the job.

>>50146023
There are several. Most fags here use Battlescribe but if you want to actually learn army building basics and points values I strongly suggest you work without them and write your lists manually first.

>>50146028
>I think this and here's why
>what you think is stupid!
>why?
>I-I-I don't need t-to explain shit!
This is you.

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>>50146058

>>50146036

>>50146043


Newest version is almost as good as the old, now it's mostly just the old format data catalogues that's draggin it down.

>>50146058
Not him.

You are as dumb as braindead bricks

Anyone know what the Khornate reactor does yet?

>>50146092
Isnt that the thing that just charges other terrain shit by pumping blood into it?

So I was looking to put together a Kill Team squad of CSM Chosen for a narrative campaign with six other people. Most are running normal things like Nobz, Genestealers, Tacticals and the like. Except one person plans on running Thunderwolf Cavalry. As far as I can tell this is legal, but I don't think any of us will be able to put a dent in the things. I don't want to make a counter build because it will detract from the other battles but I would like to know if there's anyway to counter Thunderwolves in a 200 point game.

DO BLOOD ANGELS HAVE CHAPTER TACTICS OR NOT

this is CRAZY

>>50146114

Yes, the Khorne reactor.

Are it's rules leaked yet?

>>50146120
Tell him to stop being a cock.

>>50146120
200pts is like three TWC, just spread out play the mission and force as many saves as possible.

Delete them one at a time if you have to.

>>50146126

Well, yes? Chapter tactics Furious Charge plus a buncha unique units.

Just not the actual rule "Chapter Tactics".

>>50146120
With CSM? Nope, enjoy wolfdick.

>>50146154

Pretty much this. Hordes are King in Kill Team.

>>50145990
Cause the emps gave them only three moods.
Raging homosex
Raging lunatic
Raging autism

>>50146126
Just like Dark Angels get their Grim Resolve as their "chapter tactics" that give them better overwatch and stubborn (I believe) the Blood Angels get one focused on Assault with Furious Charge or something.

>>50146155
Thank you, finally i have clarity in this matter.
>>50146184
Kinda making it more complicated but it seems to be right. Thanks!

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>Have no friends
>Want to get into 40k to get friends
>Mostly been painting second-hand units
>Local GW requires you to have the codex of the unit you play even if it's just a game of Kill-team
>No fucking money for a codex for all my 5 kill-teams
>No-one's replying to any game-night things i've put up
Stockholm, anyone?

>>50146092
nope, but i get the feeling it's gonna give or improve feel no pain

>>50146192
They do not actually have the Chapter Tactics rule so no your bullshit superfriends formation won't work unless it was FAQed which it probably was

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>>50146220

>should I stick with one kill-team so I don't have to buy multiple codices
>naw I need to spend $200 all at once or I can't play

>>50146092
Supposed to buff the other two limited edition terrain pieces, plasma obliterator and void shield.

Starting a Kill Team league tomorrow. How does this look?

Plague Marines (5)- Plasma Gun (2)-150
Rhino- Destroyer Blades, Combi-bolter-50

Destroyer Blades should ruin a hordes day, and PM should be pretty durable in KT settings. Figure on Plasma Gunner will get Master-crafted and another will get PE.

>>50145702
Oh hush now boy, I've been playing SoB since 3rd edition chapter approved list. And 6-7ed lists ARE called Adeptus Sororitas.

>>50146234
All the stuff i have is well below 200 bucks. It's all ebay stuff i've dissolved and remade, or stuff i've gotten from my friends in a second-hand state.
I don't really want to pick one single army because i don't know which one i like playing yet :(

>>50146246
Either you're lying, or misinformed.

>6-7ed lists
SoB DO NOT HAVE a 7e codex.

>ARE called Adeptus Sororitas
But they aren't.

>>50145990
You've never gone full bromance before have you?

New models for DE when? They could really use a revamp of the court of the Archon (since it got buffed) and beastpacks (even though they got nerfed)

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>>50146302
Damn those silly BL guys, they always get it wrong eh?

>>50146344
>wanting changes to what is objectively the best line of models GW has ever made

All they need to do is update the shitcast models to be plastic, bring back the metal Archon on the front of the damn book, and possibly add a "character on a bike" kit as well as the option to allow him or at least the Succubus to take one.

My life would be almost complete then. All I'd need are character models but I've long accepted that will never happen.

>>50146391
>Adepta Sororitas
>the same as Adeptus Sororitas

It simply isn't true. Give me one example from a first party where Sisters are referred to as AdeptUS Sororitas.

>being anal over two letters
Just because you only speak English doesn't mean word genders do not exist especially in the faux-Latin GW lifts all their shit from. It's a big fucking difference.

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>>50146392
The models do look good but, the price is unreasonable. Hence the reason you'll almost never see them in a FLGS...I'm just QQING because I want to run a court of 8+ ssylth

>>50146412
Oh you that sort of person, have fun with that.

>>50146344
fuck off nigger, the court models are perfect as they are
i just want a new codex and a lord of war option with a giant offensive webway portal weapon

>>50146431
>being literally incorrect
>i-it doesn't m-m-matter
You sure sound like a long time Sisters player.

>>50146516
I bow to your wisdom, you are absolutely correct the other person was completely wrong in every single way, kudos to you you have won the internet.

Death Company Lost Brotherhood strike force

3 squads of 10 or 6 squads of 5?

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>>50146424
It's a side effect of being fucking resin. Plastic models don't cost nearly as much.

>>50146510
>a lord of war option
Didn't DE have superheavy skimmers in old old Apoc/Epic? Did they ever get Apoc rules?

>a giant offensive webway portal weapon
>yfw that's basically just a D-weapon with minor unhelpful changes
>yfw Corsairs can already do this with Webway Maze

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>>50146549
This is the list I'm considering.

Lost Brotherhood Strike Force 1850 Points

Death Company Command – 155 Points
Death Company Chaplain – Jump Pack, Gilded Crozius, Inferno Pistol, Melta Bombs
155 Points

Death Company Strike Force – 745 Points
Death Company Chaplain – Jump Pack, Crozius, Inferno Pistol, Melta Bombs
130 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Dreadnought – Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Magna Grapple
135 Points

Death Company Strike Force – 745 Points
Death Company Chaplain – Jump Pack, Crozius, Inferno Pistol, Melta Bombs
130 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Squad – 5 Marines, Jump Packs, 1 Inferno Pistol, 2 Power Weapons
160 Points
Death Company Dreadnought – Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Magna Grapple
135 Points

Stormraven Gunship Dedicated Transport – Twin-linked Multi-melta, Twin-linked Assault Cannon, Extra Armor
205 Points

>>50146535
Alright faggot, I guess it doesn't matter if I get my faction's name wrong, after all I've been playing them for over 13 years source: I said so so I can't be wrong!

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>>50145072

2 Assault Marine Squads with their own Rhino
5 AMSqd with 2 flamers and Rhino 95points
5 AMSqd with 2 meltas and Rhino 105 points

vs.


8 man Death Company Squad
7 Chainswords and 7 Bolters
1 Power sword and 1 Bolt Pistol

What is stronger in KT?

>>50145990
>Friendless hikki neet detected
I pity your lonesome existence

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Every time I see that image I can't help but think of that one "half-breeds" general.

>>50146656
200 point Kill-Team obviously

>>50146556
They never had Epic rules, and no super heavies either, their entire army had to fit through a webway portal.

>>50146679
Assault Marines aren't troops - you can only have one fast attack selection in kill team.

>>50146259
Which 5 are you thinking of, out of interest?

>>50146690
>their entire army had to fit through a webway portal
The same can often be said of Craftworlders and they still find a way. Only a few Craftworlds can host Titans but shit like the Scorpion is fine and I don't see a DE superheavy being any bigger than that.

In the worst case one can Forge that Narrative, probably piggybacking something off of how DE and Craftworlds are absurdly Battle Bros.

>>50146698
Tau, Harlequins, Black Templar or Blood Angels. The prominent contender is Tau. Then i have some unpainted Orks and CSM, but i'm not gonna get into them anytime soon.

>>50146762
Another factor is.. large scale invasion are dull and costly.

DE don't seize planets, factories or resources, slave raids and finished products are their thing.

>>50146690
I'm sure he means the Tantalus or whatever.

They gave DE the corpsethief claw formation instead of a superheavy.

I think Vect shall return to the DE army.

Which is the way Blood Angels are meant to be portrayed?
Current codex which is a Codex Astartes Compliant Chapter with some unique quirks?
Or the Ward-Dex with assault marines out the ass?

Giving Tau ignores cover mechanics is utterly crippling to some armies - e.g. Dark Eldar

>>50146797
They don't do defenses either, but through the miracle of GW writing they've found themselves having to hold places for some retarded reason or another.

Didn't the Panacea story involve a large invasion?

>>50146806
I know about the Tantalus. To be fair isn't that shit just for internecine wars?
I'm talking about really big craft I've seen in the past but I don't know if they were just conversions made for fun or as a what if or if they were actually GW-sanctioned and given rules.

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>>50146806
>>50146556

FW PRICES WERE RAISED!

>>50146872
>those models
Fucking shit why is the DE range so sexy?
Must be literally hell to put together seeing as they're resin but fuck if it isn't worth it

>>50146412
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Battle-Sisters

>"They are the most physically adept and martial members of the Adeptus Sororitas, and they form the mainstay of the Ecclesiarchy's fighting forces."
>Adeptus Sororitas

Boom.

>>50146919
>Anime sky pirates.
>Sexy.

?

>>50145552
celestial lions

fluffy as fuck

>>50146956
He didn't say killed team.

>>50146921
Maybe your source would be credible if it weren't for the fact that they left a typo in the entire faction's fucking name for like a week recently.

The webstore is a pile of shit. Give me books, quotes from writers, repeated mentions?

>>50146935
Stop being a faggot.

>>50146817
Should*

>>50146871
They led an Ork waaaagh to the planet then took it from the Orks. Not sure the size of the raid

>>50146997
This. FW's webstore can be worse, one of their units has the name mispelled four different times in one summary.

>>50146898

Source that isn't BoLS

>>50146898
OK!

>>50147022
Check the webstore. Knights are £5 more, a bunch of units got prices raised from £1-£10.

>>50147022
To be fair he's not wrong. I just checked and some prices are up a little.

>the Warlord's price didn't change

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>>50147018
At least they have fun.

http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/pterocarpangol.htm
Khorne's a tree lover.

>>50144835
What do guys think the odds of a winged, armored, and Axe of Blind Fury wielding Daemon Prince has against a Riptide? I expect it could put it down without much trouble in melee, but I'm not sure if it could reach it even with wings.

So how many Flash Gitz do I need to run in order for them to be good? The models are too cool not to use.

>>50147296
Zero

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>>50147305
Are they really that bad?

>>50147267
For a DP, Black Mace is better than Axe of Blind Fury.

>>50147364
Is it? I thought S6+ models couldn't fail a toughness test.

>>50147267
in combat it's a done deal (though if the prince completely wiffs it the riptide could instant kill the prince with a single smash), getting there and living through overwatch is another ordeal.

>>50147402
I thought 6 always failed

>>50147402
you fail toughness tests on 6s, i ganked a few wraithlords in 5th using gift of chaos

>>50147402
A roll of 6 is always a fail. More importantly the DP's Smash gives the Mace AP2 so you don't need to pay a premium for AoBF. The DP's WS9 is also pretty good and with the Mace you can go Nurgle/Slaanesh also.

>>50147324

Yes.

>>50147402
Mace let's you take psychic levels, which you should. It also lets you throw yourself at Wraithknights and blobs.

If you're dead-set on a Khorne FMC, take a Thirster or Daemons Daemon Prince with the D-sword.

>>50147016
Thanks for the (You), nigger.

>>50146997
I could go through the entries and fix every spelling error. They wouldn't let me, though.

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How is the Magaera as a detachment? I have been considering getting an imperial knight and I like the looks of this one.

>>50144835
Whats up with the melee to hit table? Fucking Angron only hits a Tau pathfinder 2/3s of the time?

>>50147553
>Kharn is more accurate than Angron

Any predictions for Magnus pts and rule wise?

I'm thinking
>Gargantuan Flyer, Primarch special rules
>8+ stats, probably 9-10 Wounds
>5+ Psyker that picks powers and resolves on 3+
>2+/3++
>more special rules buffing Thousand Sons/Daemons
>999pts maybe even more

>>50144835
Just getting into tau, how good is the tidewall any tips for using it?
I like the way it looks but idk how its gunna play.

So, Chaos is generally accepted to be too weak, right?

What if they got the ability to take the vehicles and basically-human models from the Genestealer Cult codex for their Chaos Cult armies, replacing any special rules/wargear representing Xenos corruption with special rules and wargear representing Chaos corruption instead? Maybe as a Detachment rather than a full-on addition to the CSM codex.

Would this help, or would getting a human psyker, a few packs of troops with mining gear turned into improvised weapons, and some trucks not really fix the problems that their codex has?

>>50147690
>Would turning Codex: CSM into what is basically R&H help?
Yes it would solve a lot of problems
No it wouldn't make Chaos *Space Marines* any better

>>50147690
Then they'd still be a shitty codex just reliant on even more allies.

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>>50147553
help out those who can't fight in combat or to show the chaos of melee fighting. if they made it like the strength vs toughness table you'd see some units virtually unable to fight back

>>50147614
>s9 lv6 3++
>eternal warrior
>"oh, you think you're a psyker? cute" this model denies on 3+ even when not the target of the psychic power
>500 points
>"i am beyond humanity's limit an- oh fuck furries" ws8 but becomes ws1 when fighting against space wolves
>automatically knows all the tzeentch marines and daemon powers, is allowed to cast 3 primary powers beyond his limit of 6

>>50147690
chaos has a few more problems then their cheap scoring unit being just meat on the field. orks, csm, nids and maybe another book just need to be rebuilt

>>50147742
>automatically knows all the tzeentch marines and daemon powers, is allowed to cast 3 primary powers beyond his limit of 6
He's shit m8

>>50147771
honestly, i just wanted to work in a 9 somewhere. perhaps ahriman's special ability to use the same psychic power a few times? though idk if i want him to be able to get invisibility off a few times

>>50147553
You should only be able to hit on 6's if your WS is more than doubled imo. Exactly double is 5+

>>50147525
it's alright, good at killing meq but not as much against other super heavies due to I2, though it is significantly more survivable than a regular knight

>>50147690
They already have that, it's called forge world's renegades and heretics.

>>50147806
My point is that if his gimmick is automatically knowing powers then he's shit if the tables he gets are Tzeentch. CSM Tzeentch is hands down the worst table in the game and until CotW Daemons Tzeentch wasn't far behind. It still isn't great but it is at least fun.

Is this supposed to be in addition to rolling powers or instead of them? If the latter he's just another GC. Otherwise okay then.

Ahriman is awful for the same reasons, spamming witchfires is an awful ability when the witchfires you have to pick from are terrible. At least the Traitor's Hate AoD powers helped him out a little bit he's still horribly overcosted. Tigurius runs rings around him.

>>50144906
Necrons can reanimate a lot of their wounds and have reasonable toughness throughout the whole army. A Necron Decurion with canoptek harvests is almost impossible to wipe off the map.

>>50147742
>Units unable to fight back
Oh, You mean just like in Shooting?

Does anyone have the Kill Team pdf?

>>50147742
How is that any different to units that never fucking miss, especially when you factor in re-rolls.

Listen, I love a good guard blob, but if I charged them into a unit of Harlequins, I should expect a slaughter, not a fucking slugfest. WS has to actually mean something.

>>50147964
No such thing.

>>50146220
Have you tried getting one at a time?

>>50148031
Don't lie anon, there is a Kill Team pdf, or at least there was. Wouldn't surprise me if some epubfag changed the archive and no-one noticed.

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>>50147964

>>50148079
There is the photo collage rules only PDF.

>>50148079
Ah I see now, finally i was the one to read kill-team but think Deathwatch.

>>50147964
Check the KillTeam general, its their op image

>>50148108
is this current?

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>>50147964

Do you think Vect will get his own miniature, and get his rules back?

So how would tank, walker and squiggoth heavy Orks do in 30k on the table?

Specifically against the Iron Warriors?

>>50147525
It's easily the worst Knight, too high price for what it does, plus only being able to ID MEQ in melee, as it's Lightning cannon is S7.

>>50148248
Thanks!

>>50145527
Shouldn't 3rd Edition's Codex: Witch Hunters and Codex: Daemon Hunters be counted as being Inquisition/Grey Knights codices? I think one of them got counted for the Sisters of Battle, so...

>>50148407
Maybe.
I did the core of it at 4 AM.

>>50148407
codex: witch hunters was sisters + inquisition + assassins
just like codex: daemonhunters was greyknights + inquisition + assassins

>>50147018

I remember when the SoB white dwarf came out. The whole thing was a nightmare, and if I was at home and not half way across the country, I'd take pictures of it. For starters, their battle report was against Nids, so you had the army known for bringing all the flamers against nids. On top of that, they talked about the "Dominator" Squads, and the troops had 3 special weapons in the picture.

I wonder how many people buying the GSC Armoured Claw just want the good deal on mech guard.

Hopefully I can find someone to buy these cult upgrade sprues.

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>>50146392

>Succubus riding RJB

>>50148516
Codex Grey Knights 5th edition was grey knights+all inquisition(hereticus and xenos too)+assasins+bullshit.

>>50148533
I was looking at the same thing, I don't see any cult upgrade sprues on ebay though.

I'd buy like 5 boxes but I already have 90 or so guard so I'm just getting one box.

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>Agree with local chaos player to play a friendly game
>He brings a Dthirster, a khorne lord on juggernaut with the axe of free bloodthirster and a swarm of khorne dogs
>I brought a demicompany.

Where is age of sigmar thread in this board?

>>50148605
so was daemonhunters, was it not? just without the xenos and hereticus.

>>50148662
You forgot ward's bullshit.

>>50148629
Guys, plz, don't ignore me.

>>50148702
Somewhere.
I hope my answer was helpful.

>>50148702
>go to catalog
>pres ctrl+f
>type age of sigmar

>>50148321
get pounded into the dirt by artillery and heavy weapons most likely

>>50148619
I only want a small mech vet force so its going to save me a fair bit. Now to spend all the savings on resin parts.

>>50147296
>>50147324
If you really like them just get five as an "upgrade" for a battlewagon.

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>>50148779

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>>50148866
Come on anon, this isn't rocket surgery.

>>50148866
That's sad.
Do you like fishsticks?

>>50148950
Thanx.

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Are you ready for some fucking diazmonettes?

I'm not, I never really got the hype for them, but I'm sure some people in this thread will be.

>>50148972
Do you ask me about my sexual orientation? I'm not gay.

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>>50148866

This is 2016 mobile phone browsing has improved

>>50094490

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>>50144835
I finally started collecting Orks but I need to find some cheap boyz to make up the rest of my army. anybody got some tips for picking up units?
is Grukk Face-Rippa a good unit for me boyz?

How does /tg/ feel point sink units?

Deathstars, special characters, super heavies, which ones work for what armies, which ones suck?

My thoughts are no single unit should soak up >35% of total points unless it's almost impossible to take it off the table before it gets those points back (invisible smashfucker on a bike tier bullshit) and smaller units armies like grey knights shouldn't use deathstars or super heavies since they need units on the field

Thoughts?

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Is it considered shitposting if I post my models fully knowing it's going to piss someone off?

>>50149009
Then stop acting like a little faggot.

>>50149037
eBay is your best friend, I know it hurts a lot of people to not support their LGS but you need to buy your boyz in bulk seeing as a low boy list still requires like 50

Maybe find a local Facebook group or something to see if someone is willing to trade?

Also start collecting sets are your friend

>>50149037
>anybody got some tips for picking up units?
Ork boyz are avaiable in spades for cheaps, ebay, craigslist, practically everywhere.

>is Grukk Face-Rippa a good unit for me boyz?
He's a decent <1000 point boss, above that, his lack of mega armour/bike/relic acess makes him better suited as a model for a boss nob.

>>50149054
photo i pissing me of more than the model.
put it down, put up a backdrop, rotate and crop.

>>50149054
I don't see it as shitposting

Maybe just don't post 1000 images of it and you're good.

Also be prepared for criticism even if you're a pro painter, and take it with improving yourself in mind

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>>50149125
10 seconds of work.

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>>50149125
I honestly have no idea why it posts it sideways when it wasn't taken that way nor saved that way

>>50149179
Cropping and resizing fixes that too.

Generallt speaking, take more time, in photography and painting.

Paint looks slopped on.

And do youself a favour, don't prime black unless your painting black or dark green/blue/purple.

Red/Brown primer's way better, even white's a step up.

>>50149179
use wash

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>>50149153
It's not too bad, honestly, the paint only needs minor touch-ups, but the moldlines are obvious a few places, and even worse you have bits of sprue not properly trimmed off

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>>50149222
>>50149245
Unfortunately I have a tendency to paint when I'm drunk and smoked a cigarette so I get anxious and twitchy. When I can get good and stoned again I'll finish painting my army and touch up the models I rushed through at the start.

>>50149389
Definitely need to touch up the eye lenses. Also go to /wip/, they'll be a better help.

i've always had a casual interest in 40k, read a few books and looked to get into the actual game if a group ever showed up around me.
that being said, i am utterly clueless with most lore. is there a basic primer for the various factions? just want to explore my options.

>>50149445
The lore part of the rulebook.

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What faction does she play?

>>50149489
Tyranids. Duh.

>>50149489
Seeing as the post is cancer, nurgle.

>>50149179
jesus. did you ever take an art class in kindergarten where they talked about painting inbetween the lines?

>>50149445
Vaults of terra is a legit way to learn the lore, throw it on while you're driving, playing vidya, or anything else where you can listen to stuff

>>50149557
I blasted through Vaults of Terra while painting.

Can you privately own a Servitor?

>>50149570
Yeah, they aren't even that expensive. Lots of them everywhere in the Imperium.

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>>50149417
I have a better brush now and a better understanding of how to get the lenses. Basically just get it on the lens and then go over the fucked up areas that bled out in red again. Works well enough. I haven't gotten to my actual Blood Angel models (everything I've painted so far has been from the Dark Vengeance kit) so everything thus far is practice for when I get to the models I care about.

I'm in between using the Space Marine codex and using the Iron Hands chapter tactics but saying my army are Blood Angels (with various fluff to explain) and sticking with the Blood Angels codex now that it got an update and Death Company are a bigger part of the army. That said I only have one DC squad and money has been excessively tight so no new models are coming my way after this scout squad I bought 2 months ago.

>>50145527

fuck, where is my new IG-codex?

Guys, I want dark mechanicum codex. Plz, make it real.

>>50149657
No new codexes ever again, just an eternity of band-aids

>>50149714
Yeah, the supplement situation is horrible.
They are literally shitty half versions of codex books without datasheets.

>>50149054
>>50149179
>>50149389
>>50149153
>no shading
>no highlighting
>just single, solid blocks of uniform color
Not too bad for a beginner, but there's definite room for improvement.

Here's some tips:
THIN YOUR PAINTS. It's a bit of a meme, but a drop of water will make all the difference.

For areas of solid color, like the red portions of your marine's armor, ink washes are your friend; they will naturally settle into the crevices and provide shading, along with a nice glossy finish.

For areas of metal, like your marines' bolders, or areas with lots of raised details, like the wing symbols on their chestplates, there's a technique called "drybrushing" that's very useful: first, you paint it with a darker base color (black works well for metal), and then you take a brush with stiff bristles, dip it into paint, then wipe most of the paint off, leaving a small dusting of it on the brush, and then you strike the brush rapidly along the area to be painted; this causes the paint to catch onto the raised areas, producing a highlight.

Combine these techniques, and your models will look significantly better, for only marginally more effort!

>>50149703
come play 30k
mechanicum ordo cybernetica with ya boy scoria

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>>50149042
depends on the army really. i can get a cheap keeper of secrets for 170 with lv1 built in but t6 5++ means she'll be shot off the board easily so i have to invest in greater daemons and princes. troops and other units i usually min/max on unless i need them to do something like icons or musicians

So I'm just starting to think about collecting.

The Start Collecting sets for $60-70 on ebay, are they usually legit? I'm looking into getting a Skitarii one. I know I'll need more than one to get anything decent going, but I won't be able to actually play games until probably January so I'm thinking of getting at least one set to work on getting better at painting etc and taking it slow.

Also, anyone from Austin and have any feedback on where to find people up for playing?

>>50149004

Sweet and awesome in equal measure

Are you one of those plebs that likes the plastic daemonettes?

>>50149054

>he holds his models up in the hair to take photos of them

dumb dumb

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I fell for the Kreig meme. I started off with Orks, so I'm used to playing dogshit joke armies, but I've never played against a competent Guard player. What do I need to know about them and how Kreig plays differently?

>>50149947

Your opponent is a krieg collector? is he using the krieg armylist or IG one?

>>50149947
Trench warfare, bloody mud, mustard gas for breakfast and 1000 men for 10 yards is a good trade.

Cheaper artillery, less cowardly guardsmen that at a little better in melee.

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>>50148329
what about this one?

>>50149973
I meant I'm collecting them. I'm about to pull the trigger on an army, but I don't really know how they play. I just dig the way they look.

>>50149927
I'm just not a huge fan of slaanesh, really. I don't think the plastic daemonettes are the atrocities they're sometimes made out to be, though.

>>50150003
can't use it in 40k because it's volkite gun

>>50150003
Can't take him in 40k.

>>50149927
what if they were made static and ugly to show how real people aren't under the guise/smell of slaanesh?

>>50150003
He's FAR better, but not 40k legal.

>>50148809

Wouldn't Orks outnumber any 30k army 3 to 1 most of the time?

>>50150052
Or just the full gamut of slaaneshi excess, hellraiser/helldorado style, obese one with open guts so it can keep eating, facelifter with a beautiful face stapled on, perfectionist who has flayed of imperfect skin ect.

>>50150089
sure, but when the iron warriors are packing 6-9 rapier quad mortars, possibly with phosphex, 3 medusas, and iron havocs spitting out either autocannon or missile launcher shots at bs5, tank hunters and -1 cover saves, the Orks are gonna have a bad time

>>50150141

>6-9 rapier quad mortars, possibly with phosphex

Don't really know what any of that is or what it even does.

>>50150141
>Orks are gonna have a bad time
How is that any different from 40k?

>>50150224
Bad news.

>>50150224
Mortars are mortars, but phosphex is two things.
It makes the blast S5AP2 poisoned (3+), and after you roll scatter, the controlling player can move the blast marker 2" as long as it covers more models.
The second thing is the blast stays on the table and becomes both difficult and dangerous terrain for the rest of the match, and as it's barrage if ONE enemy survives the blast the entire unit has to move through diff. terrain as he must move out of the blast.

>>50150081
Damn, alright , suppose I will go errant

>>50150017
Buy some Aegis/wall of martyrs, spam Basilisks and elite artillery, sit in a corner. Kriegers are basically gunline guardsmen on crack. At least, thats how the guy at my LGS does them and its nothing if not effective.

So far my biggest concern is beating him (I'm Cadian IG) because holy shit those Strength 10 AP1 basilisk shots hurt my vehicles. My current Idea boils down to "Grab a tank commander, roll for outflank, get up in his buisiness"

>>50146593
Bump - looking for opinions and suggestions on this list.

Just won my second ever game, both vs a guard player as Dark Eldar.

First game was a clear win because he didn't take artillery and I jus out maneuvered and cleaned up.

Second one that just finished he took a Manticore 2 basilisk and 3 wyverns and all I had left was 2 immobilised ravagers and my dark artisan that destroyed the wyverns and basilisks on turn 4 and 5 in Big Guns Never Tire.

Both 1500 points. I'm happy

>>50150291
Basilisks cant buy bastion breacher shells

>>50150003
Questoris are not legal for 40k, Cerastus are, but the way the rules are worded means that you need to have at least the same number of regular knights as Cerastus. So they only work for full Knight armies.

>>50150329
Whoops. The guy is using counts-as Griffons or something. I keep thinking they're earthshakers because, well, the models he's using are earthshakers.

>>50150291
Basilisks don't get that shit anon, that's Colossus profile isn't it?

Question.

>Each roll to hit of 6 causes a single automatic wound ap2
So... after resolving that wound do I still roll to wound for the actual attack?
Or is that wound 'the end of the line' so to speak?

>>50150371
Griffons are the piddly but accurate mortar tanks.

>>50150379
>automatic wound

>>50150394
>>50150378
THAT'S the one! Goddamn so many different barrage profiles!

>>50150379
No, that's the wound in question, it just means you would be able to wound something you normally wouldn't have.

For example, a S3 gun with that rule would still be able to wound a T9 unit on a roll of 6, it's what makes Cancer guns so fucking scary.

>>50150371
You mean medusas. Medusas are the ones that takes bastion breacher shells.
As long as hes not swapping back and forth between the s9ap3 large blast and the s10ap small blast.

>>50150379

On a roll of a 6 you skip the roll the wound for that dice as it is automatically considered a wound, at ap 2.

e.g. Reaver Jetbikes with Cluster Caltrops do D6 Str 6 Hammer of Wrath hits.

I roll 1 dice to find out how many attacks I do, it's a 6, so I roll 6 more dice to see if they hit, any 6's auto wound at AP 2, the rest I hit with then need to roll to wound at str 6 vs toughness

>>50150435
Fuck, I got it wrong as well, anon is right, too many fucking SPGs

>>50150247

That's most things in 30k isn't it?

>>50150285

I wonder how long till that finds it's way into 40k.

>>50150379
Whats the full wording, word for word. With what you typed, a roll of 6 to hit doesn't need to roll to wound (it does so automatically) and is ap2.
If it actually says "additional" wound, then you would roll to wound normally for that 6-to-hit, as well as get an auto-wound.

I have a feeling this is the harlequin's caress, in which case, no, that 6-to-hit is the end of the line. proceed directly to saves.

>>50150449
Naw, aside from volkite most 30k is behind the 40k power curve, at least in terms of power/point.

>>50150379
Is this a mucked up question about rending or another rule you're looking at.

>>50150449
Technically it's already there as the Skitarii have a relic pistol that has the same stats but causes 3 wounds instead of 1, and no blast or phosphex rules.
However, the STC for phosphex was destroyed by a rogue Tech-priest, so some pretty serious wriggling might be needed to bring it back.

>>50150464

I wish 30k wasn't so goddamn expensive. The rules look more balanced, but aside from the plastic kits, it's all FW, who's prices just went UP. Even the two kits aren't enough to really play the game, which is why I'm using them for my CSM.

>>50148605
5th edition GK codex did not have temple assassins, just the henchmen type death cult assassins.

>>50150449
Lore-wise, the STC for Phosphex was destroyed by a Tech-Priest who thought it TOO dangerous.

He was branded a heretic, tied to a stake and killed with that which he had destroyed. Phosphex.

>>50150484
I just wish it wan't marine on marine circlejerk.

>>50150497

>I wish the game about the Marine civil war didn't have so many Marines!

>>50150464

Isn't that because most armies maintain parity by nature of it being Imperium vs Imperial Renegades, all of whom have access to roughly the same thing?

>>50150484
Its only more balanced because everyone has the same "4 across the board" stat line. 40K would be more balanced to if 95% of the rules and support were for one of army.

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>>50146974

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>>50150507
More like I wish we weren't stuck with 10 years of nonstop marine on marine action and the occasional Tau gundam from FW.

>>50150497
Unfortunately for you, that's not gonna happen, as 30k is set during the Horus Heresy, when marine versus marine combat was unheard of until then.

Also there's Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia as well.

>>50150507
It was an IMPERIAL civil war. It would be nice at least for them to do something with Dark Mechanicum other than "Lol, just take a Mechanicum army and say you're Dark Mechanicum"

We don't need more fucking Space Marine shoulder pads.

>>50150516
>>50150519
The only armies that are not only marines are Admech and Elite Imperial Army.
Admech are quite high on the power curve because every army is designed purely for killing Marines and Termies, not ANY MCs or light infantry.

>>50150516
Also by nature of being made by the same people, at the same time under the same edition rulebook.

>>50150548
GW's doing Dark Mechanicum next year.

>>50150560
You got proof?

>>50150549
Don't forget Cults and Militia, who make up the "Anything from cheap scrubs to expensive bricks" category.

>>50150560
Source?

>>50150568
No, but I'm the same guy who said Sisters in February so I'm good.

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>>50150489
Unfortunately they had both.

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>>50150536

I will never stop dreaming of my carapace elysians

FW please

>>50150593
>feeding baseless rumors to /tg/ shitters

Post fucking PROOF both of Sisters and Dark Mechanicum.

>m-m-muh reliable source
POST that fucking source then. I've seen the rumors too and they are hearsay until the rumormongers can provide PROOF. I've seen none for DM and little for Sisters other than >it's happening! in the case of the latter.

>>50150578
Point, but ATM they are just expensive Renegades and Heretics with less toys.

>>50150536

I play SoB, so I have always ignored FW entirely, especially since the only thing we got you can't even get anymore.

Maybe we'll get it if this plastic release holds true.

>>50150548

Honestly, the only thing that interests me in 30k is Thousand Sons, who don't even have rules yet. I'm getting both plastic sets, painting them metallic red and silver, and then making a CSM Warband with them. I can take a bunch of extra sorcerers or just ally a cabal. I might even use some of my old metal GKs for sorcerers because of the halberd.

>>50150621

>post source so he can be sacked and locked up in a CIA dungeon

You don't know how these things work, do you?

>>50150621

Trust me as a Sisters player of 12 years when I say the only time I will get hype over "It's habbenin!" is when it's actually happening.

I'm thinking on starting up since a couple of my friends have begun on armies of their own. Which faction would you recommend, Tau or Orkz?