Armageddon Steel Legion vs Death Korps

>>50129787
How well did the Wehrmacht do against the Maginot Line?

>>50129869
Didn't even bother fighting it. They just went around.

>>50129869
They didn't do anything, they went around it.

>>50129787

The Korps would be at a pretty severe disadvantage considering that the Steel Legion's basic strategy outright counters the Death Korp's basic strategy.

How big are we fighting here, army size? What's the terrain? Who's attacking and who's defending? What's the objective? All the questions would need to be answered to come to a real conclusion beyond the most minute conjecture.

A bigger question is why do the Korps and Steel Legion share so many pieces of equipment? Are they relatively close in proximity?

>>50130186
I'd imagine the Korps would gain a significant advantage when it comes to actually holding and taking cities and urban warfare.

>>50130186
Because the Munditorium prizes standardization and both regiments dress for semi-hostile environments. That's why.

>>50130032
>>50130089
the German Army did penetrate the Maginot Line on multiple points with focused assaults of combat pioneers and heavy artillery

>>50129787
the Steel Legion fought a mostly defensive war on Armageddon initially with kilometres of trenches and bunkers aswell, their main difference was their strategical mobility granted by their Transports. This enabled the famous counter offensives conducted by Yarrick.

overall they are very similar, and the Death Korps too draws on transports for mobility when necessary, however, the Death Korps is focused on fighting Traitors, while the Steel Legion is a primarily Anti-Ork force.

>>50129787
>How well would an armored campaign by the Armageddon Steel Legion do against an entrenched Death Korps army, if both were given ample time to prepare?

>Would we see the historical advantage of armor and mobility weigh heavily against trench warfare?

Objectives, terrain and logistics matter. The Steel Legion can run circles around the Korps, and also cut it off its supplies. But if the Korps is defending a small area that includes its logistics and objective, then all the Legion is doing is charging straight into a regiment experienced at defending and assaulting fortified positions.

>Bypass them
>Proceed to encircle and cut logistics
>Starve them out
>proceed to pound them to dust with artillery and air support
Static defenses do not hold up to modern movement warfare. The korp would get fucking wrecked.

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Here's a better question. Who would win: The Armageddon Steel Legion or Valahallan Ice Warriors?

>>50133229
Khorne

>>50133229
tough to say, both of them got carried by different marine chapters during their respective conflicts.

Mobility doesn't mean a lot if you can't bypass the fortification line because you're fighting in a void.

>>50129869
Not very well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_Sector_of_Haguenau
Even in 44-45, it caused issues to allied forces, despite the disrepairs, absent guns and wrong angles of fire.

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Line

>>50130718

>strategical

How, how English dies word by word

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>>50134417
it's not my first language, so I don't really give a shit about such details.

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>>50134736
sick pic

I think the Armageddon Steel Legion wins the first battles, but the Korps ultimately wins the war. It's not like either side is completely fixed to their doctrine.

>>50135616
I would say that the krieg are fixed, but then i remember that the assault brigade and the mechanized companies are a thing for them so...

>>50129787

Since the DKoK's entire schtick is being *very* good at static defence, they've presumably chosen a spot where the mobility of the Steel Legion is rendered ineffective.

With that in mind, any attempt by the Steel Legion to pierce the Krieg line would likely end in disaster unless they concentrated all of their strength into a single point. Even then, they'd likely suffer horrific losses for a shaky chance of success, as the Krieg would have dug a maze of anti-tank ditches, minefields, and overlapping fields of fire.

Considering even a basic autocannon stands a reasonable chance of piercing a Chimera's frontal armour, the mechanization advantage of the Steel Legion would disappear *very* quickly. You're now left with loads of dismounted infantrymen unaccustomed to fighting without IFVs, and even more unaccustomed to fighting static wars outside of hives. Armageddon tankers, now devoid of fast-moving infantry support, would also face an uphill struggle of trying to adapt to slow-moving breacher tactics.

Even if the Steel Legion manages to breach the Krieg line relatively intact, the Siege of Vraks books show that the DKoK likes keeping enormous reserves in rear trenches, so they'd still have to fight a horribly slow war of attrition.

tl;dr Steel Legion gets rekt or suffers extreme losses because they decide to attack on the DKoK's carefully pre-planned terms.