Horus Heresy General /hhg/

First for Russ.

Wellllll fuck. I don't want to wait for inferno to make my army list and build my shit.

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>>50128113
Only three more months left until Inferno, Anon. Embrace the wait.

>>50128113
Just get the core stuff that you expect to use and start painting that.

Let's do something we haven't done in a while. /hhg/ music time!
>Papa Sang vs Horus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3XXGmu-dw
>Iron Hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW2KN7Tz89s

>>50128134
True at least there is an end point.

>>50128177
Well the Fire Raptor and Breachers are a must include because i love them a lot. They will keep me busy for awhile.

>>50128186
Word Bearers bringing Daemons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICsfOSiAbmo
Kakophoni who retain a sense of grandeur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmEVFrvLrc
White Scars Armoured Breakthrough blares this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEe080G-I1A
Warp Travel in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SCIoq0VX4
Magnus and his nerdy fantasies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AabN4PmzViE
Scoria is chasing you with fifty Vorax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWkWg7IWAI4

>>50128232
>The Sword and BCASA
My Promethean creed adhering brother of another Primarch.

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Have anyone link to The EIther audiodrama?

So how do HQ choices tend to work in 30k compared to 40k? Are they still just mostly taxes or could I get away with investing some upgrades into a couple of Magos (1 Reductor to hang out and buff my artillery and one Magos Prime Ordinator to drop one Reductor-buffed barrage T1 then hop in a transport with 3 Grav Imploders on Myrmidon Destructors).
Can I get away with Machinator arrays, abeyant for the Warlord, cyber-familiars and Djinn-Skeins with some Cyber-Occularis, or is this too much?

>>50128079
So 30k is doing well at the moment, but does it have a future? What happens once the Siege of Terra has been covered and finished? Where does the game go after that to not go stagnant?

>>50128311
This poor fucking Anon has been begging for weeks for this shittily acted, shittily written filler, I'm starting to feel for him.

>>50128079
What's the first thing I should purchase as a Mechanicum player? I've read the 1d4chan tactica but I didn't find any buyer's guide or something like it.

Is the Cybernetica Battlegroup a good starting point? (6 Thallaxii, four Castellax, one Thanatar Siege Automata and a Magus Dominus.)

>>50128316
The thing to remember is that 30k has the ultimate as far as characters go, in the form of Primarchs. Contrary to every other iteration of warhammer, named heroes are often, not always but often, better than their generic counterparts. The only Mechanicum character thats considerably better than generic is Scoria though, and he's unavailable for Reductor. He will eat Primarchs for breakfast though. I'm not the most familiar with Reductor, but the Cybernetica and Taghmata lists i usually see feature one HQ loaded for bear and one support character thats been kept cheap to keep their bots beeping or their guns firing. Theres one guy last thread that was putting 400 points into his Arch-reductor, probably avoid going that overboard though.
>>50128437
Do you plan on going Cybernetica or Reductor? It's excellent for Cybernetica, less good for Reductor.

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>>50128311
30-50mins and I'll give the link here once the upload is done.

>>50128415
Filler or not, the story arc is good enough.

>>50128460
Nice. My plan was something similar, Ordinator is literally there as a barrage and an extra Myrmidon with 3w. If I want Scoria, I can always ally him in, as I don't want Legion allies so I could just have him+unit of 2 Castellax/20 Thralls as an allied detachment instead of my main FoC, as I always have an extra troop choice over 2 compulsory anyway.
Without him, my anti-primarch mostly consists of 3 Ursarax w/fists and 20/40 fearless Thralls. if those don't work, said primarch eats 16 preferred enemy BS5 grav shots from aforementioned Myrmidon squad w/ magos.
Would that be enough? Also if I use one Thanatar w/ a cyber-occuaris I can intercept termie deepstrike with a giant plasma explosion, so that's nice.

>>50128521
>3 Ursarax w/fists
desu the Ursarax are pretty mediocre for their cost, and they can't sweep. Plus most primarchs will eat them for breakfast, especially if they have a retinue of some description
>20/40 fearless Thralls
Much better, with chainblades and alchemistry they can actually pose a serious threat. While the urge is there to try and keep them dirt-cheap, they get significantly better if you put some poins in them. Unless you're fighting 20-man units of WE despoilers, in which case they just murder them all.
>grav
Also good
>Thanatar
Thanatars are always value, but theres little termie deepstriking in 30k. I'm sure you've already read this elsewhere, but ensure nothing at all ever engages him

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>>50128411
That could be the reason why they're taking so long.

>>50128191
>end point

Bah, then it'll be other legions that start whining about shit. There is no end.

>>50128620
Nice, the Ursarax are there only because I like the models a lot, not for their effectiveness, honestly.
Thralls are nice, plan was 40 w/ Carapace, fearless, chainblades and FnP 5+ and just anvance up the board tarpitting everything while any melee squads eat phospex to the face and any 2+ deathstars eat grav. If they bring aircraft my Vulturax will shoot them down and if they bring artillery those take a D3 Large Blast S8 AP2 Tank Hunting barrage ASAP and then probably some Medusa shells.
Thanatar is there because giant robot and it's cooler looking than a knight,and will have interceptor and a bodyguard of my Warlord and his Vorax/ who hang out near my artillery for Battlesmith and countercharge.
I can just about fit all of that into 2k if I squeeze a bit on Magos and arty upgrades..

>>50128411
>What happens once the Siege of Terra has been covered and finished?

The Scouring.

>>50128681
Not just doing what GW does where you rehash events and kits, also FW said they'd do the scourging but not Unification. So we can get Daemonic Volkite shit

>>50128689
>Wait how come Horus lost to the Emperor, Horus Ascendants stats mean he should beat the Emperor every time when he gets the charge

>>50128712
>defiling Volikite
Heresy that shouldn't even exist.

>>50128411
>What happens once the Siege of Terra has been covered and finished?
A giant asspull causes a warp rift the exact moment when the year becomes 41000, causing all the Legions and armies from 30k to travel through time and end up in the current timeline so that you can use all your expensive models, including duplicates such as Abaddon.

It will be called "Age of Skub".

>>50128739
Because you forgot about the rule that dictates that he can only strike at an enemy Character if there are no other models to strike at, even when fighting a challenge.

>>50128437
Its near 1500 points of Cybernetica if you load up the magos or run him as Scoria. A good start, its a pity the Castellax have Multimeltas. Add in a Vulturax and a Knight and you have a solid 2k list.

315-Scoria-Abeyant

230-2x Castellax-Power Blades
280-2x Castellax-Darkfire, ETA
320-6x Thallax, Ferrox, Heavy Chainblades

175-Vulturax

300-Thanatar-ETA, Paragon

380-Knight Errant,Ocular Augmetics

>>50128793
You've made that joke far too many times for it to have any impact

I could use a little bit of help planning out my infantry. I just play other people with armies from the HH boxed sets so it's not a huge deal as none of us are bringing FW tanks and fliers into our games. We're just doing massed infantry fights with some Contemptors, Rhinos, maybe the occasional Land Raider.

Betrayal at Calth (x2):
1 Terminator Sergeant (Multi-melta, Chainfist)
1 Chaplain
60 Marines (3x 10-man Veteran Tactical Squad w/ 2x Heavy Bolters apiece, 10x Phalanx Warder, 6x Missile Launcher, 2x Plasma Gun, 2x Melta Gun)
10 Cataphractii (2 Plasma Blasters, 4 Combi-plasma, 2 Chainfists, 6 Power Fists)

This leaves me with 10 Mk. 4 marines unallocated. Should I turn them in bolter dudes? Buy a set of 10 heavy weapons from FW? (I was thinking about getting Volkite Culverins, I don't know how effective they are but who doesn't love martian death rays? CHOOM.)

>>50128789
Well IH have to be MAXIMUS IRATUS for some reason right

>>50128817
Not first anon, but is the Knight a mainstay or could I swap it for maybe 40 Thralls and another Vulturax or something? I feel that the Thanatar would have me covered for big stompy robit.

>>50128997
The Thanatar is a good artillery platform that will never, ever die unless a primarch or big unit of PFist termies catches him, but in terms of damage output he's not that amazing. The only reason i added it to the list is because you get one in the bundle he was talking about. The Knight has a weapon better against anything not in cover, and also a D melee weapon which helps you pop the AV14 you'll otherwise struggle with. I would drop the Thanatar before i drop the Knight, unless you're facing Imperial Fists or other wallniggers or want lots of Krios

>>50129122
Woudnt the two Vulturax be decent enough at popping AV14 with their 6 haywire shots? And although my probable (after I actually start work on 30k probably at xmas) opponents do run knights, I feel that throwing D knights at other D knights tends to be a bad idea as unproductive, and there's not much else I shouldn't be able to kill with the rest of my army.
Also I think Knights are fairly ugly and the Vulturax looks amazing, so there's that. Would prob. not buy the bundle and do something like 2x Thallax cohort w/ Photon Thruster, 1x Magos , 2x Castellax or a unit of Vorax, and a Triaros and some Myrmidon destructors, maybe a Vulturax later.

>>50128817
Literally the first time I made it, how similar was it to the one you're thinking of?

>>50129187
it's just general 'age of the emperor' shitposting that makes you look so similar
>>50128837
I'd say drop pod plasma or melta suppourt squad, depending on if you fear tank or infantry more

>>50129186
They might be enough to stop a Spartan, but against a Falchion/Knight Household/Massed land raiders they're unlikely to tickle it before being shot down. I just feel Knights are amazing value for what you get. Still, i run in a very competitive meta and give advice on what i'd do to succeed in that environment, so you do what you want, and take the models you like.

>>50129267
That makes sense. My original plan was for Reductor so if required I can have some medusae throw some S10 (effectively) AP1 Tank Hunting large blasts down, which should be enough for the not massively cheesy environment i think I'll be up against. So maybe
3 Arty tanks, 2 Magos, 40 thralls, a vulturax and 2 Thallax cohorts for a starting force? next buys would probably be a Triaros or some robots, maybe an Arlatax.

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So my Army Painter Plate Metal spray splurted out near the end when it had been spraying fine before hand, anyone know what caused this and any solutions.

looking at you KA :^)

>>50129339
Near the end as in when the can was almost empty? Don't try to use every single last drop of primer on important models, they generally becomes inconsistent by the last 10% or so.

Also, was it the first spray of the session? If you don't clean the nozzle, it has a risk of clogging up which could cause the splurting. Here's a quick way to clean it after each session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECwK5gzDZjk&t=93

>>50129494
it was on test models so no foul, and it was the first time I used it, but did take the lid off on Monday for reference

>>50128079
Oh, how he hungers.

(Currently Un-)Named Archmagos Reductor, 400

BS5 WS5 S5 T6 W4 I4 A3 Ld10 2+/3++

Unit Composition:
1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
Mechanicum Protectiva
Cyber-Familiar
Augury Scanner
Abeyant*
Djinn-Skein
Machinator Array*
Master Crafted Paragon Blade
Melta Bombs
Four Cyber-Occularis
Rad Grenades
Power Fist
Volkite Charger

*Stat bonuses already included in profile

Warlord Trait: Dread Rites**
*The Warlord, and any unit they join, both cause Fear and are immune to it's effects, and have the Adamantium Will special rule.


Special Rules:
Independant Character
Stubborn
Battlesmith
Master of Destruction
Bodyguard
Relentless
Move Through Cover
Very Bulky
It Will Not Die
Hardened Armor
Fear
Fearless
Adamantium Will
Unseen Strike*

*The character and their unit add +1 to their initiative characteristic in the phase they charge.

Loyalist
Named Archmagos Reductor may only be taken in a Taghmata Omnissiah or Ordo Reductor variant force, and counts as an Archmagos Reductor.

>>50128437
Download the army list from the OP, or look at the one you may already have, then write up a list that you like, post it, then recieve criticism to see what needs imporvment.

>>50129666
Calgacus should be his name, he's the original author of 'they make a desert and call it peace'

>>50129666
Now I'm wondering what if we gave this guy Eternal Warrior? Would he be broken, or perfectly fine for his points cost?

>>50129697
I dunno. I'm not sold on the name itself, but the quote's pretty cool.

Is there anywhere I can find out about Knight Houses that were active in 30k other than the ones in book 4 and 5?

>>50128460
Probably Cybernetica, because 30k robots look badass. I don't quite get Reductor.

>>50128817
I'm currently assembling two Knights, so that's nice. Are the Castellax with multimeltas the worst loadout?

>>50129811
The answer is effectively "All of them".
Unless they had not been discovered before the Heresy, any Knight House would have chosen a side.
They all use pre-Imperial technology, meaning that all of them are old enough to have been a part of the heresy in some fashion.

>>50129811
Going onto the Warhammer 40k wiki Knight Houses category and go through each house to see who they are. There's not THAT many of them, but many don't have any fluff or even heraldry.

But as >>50129863 said, many, if not most, Knight houses were discovered before the Horus Heresy.

>>50129853
Reductor can do >>50129666
Reductor has all the Thallax, a distrust of Cybernetica, and use tanks like a sex maniac uses condoms. The Mechanicum doesn't like this.

>>50129809
Why not just give him the Primarch rule while you're at it.

>>50129853
30k robutts are indeed nice, reductor is weird with the Thallax restrictions, although tanks and artillery are cool. Their mandatory characters are the most customisable units ever, but they pay out the ass for the privilege. Multimelta Castellax arent very good, their range, the omnipresence of AC and the better options present mean they're mediocre compared to their equivalents.

>>50129811
What's wrong with the ones in books 4 and 5? I find them way more interesting than the 40k houses, but that might just be the quality of the writing.

>>50129961
because the guy wants an established colour scheme but to make his own fluff

>>50129961
Nothing wrong with them, I'd just like to have all my options in front of me when it comes to finding fluff I like, a paint scheme I like and for it to make at least some sense for that Knight House to hang out with my Legion.

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>>50129697
I like /tg/ and how it tells you cool things you didn't know.
>>50129809
> what if we gave this guy Eternal Warrior?
Save yourselves, he makes wastelands and calls it peace! Run!

>>50130081
>>50130095

/tg and 1d have given me more historical information than /his ever did
humanities was a mistake- moot

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>>50128411
Dunno anon. But I hope you don't let that affect your enjoyment now. For what it's worth, great games will continue to get played and supported long after they're "done". Even within GW look at the popularity of games like Necromunda and Blood Bowl, the latter of which draws hundreds of players from around the globe to world championships despite not being supported and no new releases for it. Until now that is ... But that's beside the point.

Just lookin out anon, because I see a lot of people use the "why bother if it isn't FOREVER" mentality in a lot of things and lose out on a lot of fun.

>>50130142
I haven't actually gotten into 30k yet, primarily because I'm playing Warmachine/Hordes and because I currently don't have the money to purchase Forge World stuff. The models do look great though, so I might purchase models just to paint and playing the game will become a side effect.

Any advice on list building? I got BoP and want to go very old school early great crusade style Dark Angels. I feel like a lot of Volkite would be good, but what else?

So how do you guys make Artillery tanks for Ordo Reductor? My plan was one of the Maxmini Siege Guns mounted into the back of a Chimera for about £45 per awesome-looking tank.

>>50130182
Swords. Dark Angels are noted by their "dolorous bladework", and the Nemean Reaver is a DA, and they'll have Corswain who is said to be Sigismund-tier.

>>50130095
Y'know what, in addition to EW, he can make Lightning weaponry +1S for 25 points per unit.

There. Now he's definitely OP.

>>50130175
While it changes from lgs to lgs and region to region, you may find that HH players (outside of tournaments) are generally more interested in having fun with their cool armies than WAAC shenanigans.

This could either be a good or bad thing. I have nothing against WAAC if that's the prevailing mentality of the group. But I have friends in my gaming circle who don't play HH simply because they prefer the min max combos etc they're used to in warmachine and the rest of us play HH a little to casually for them.

Also despite what people might say, the plastic boxes are not ruining 30k and are def a great way to field an army. Just pick up Calth and some second hand rhinos for $10 each and have a blast. If you want to spend more money buy upgrade kits from FW for your plastic toy soldiers.

>>50128461
Still waiting.

>>50130175
You can make a HH amy with just calth, propsero, plasticard and a healhty dose of greenstuff, it truly is the hobbyist's game.
>>50130182
volkite is good, but should be suppourted by a Master of Signals to help boost BS. Assault Squads with power swords and Calibanite War Blades is also quite good

>>50130290
Here you go.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/hh-audio/hh-the-either-mp3.html

>>50130189
Imperial Guard tanks, FW spacemarine Legion Tanks, Solar Auxillia Tanks, or plasticard

I saw the custode tank with the guns on it, did the rules for the non turreted one get posted?
Also where was the grav-backwash rule?

>>50130290
Zippyshare failed me at 90+%, twice.
Giving it a third try now, or accepting other filehosting site without registration required suggestion.

(Currently Un-)Named Archmagos Reductor, 400

BS5 WS5 S5 T6 W4 I4 A3 Ld10 2+/3++

Unit Composition:
1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
Mechanicum Protectiva
Cyber-Familiar
Augury Scanner
Abeyant*
Djinn-Skein
Machinator Array*
Master Crafted Paragon Blade
Melta Bombs
Four Cyber-Occularis
Rad Grenades
Power Fist
Volkite Charger

*Stat bonuses already included in profile

Warlord Trait: Dread Rites**
*The Warlord, and any unit they join, both cause Fear and are immune to it's effects, and have the Adamantium Will special rule.


Special Rules:
Independant Character
Stubborn
Battlesmith
Master of Destruction
Bodyguard
Relentless
Move Through Cover
Very Bulky
It Will Not Die
Hardened Armor
Fear
Fearless
Adamantium Will
Eternal Warrior
Bringer of Lightning*
Unseen Strike**

*Names Archmagos Reductor was noted for his morbid fascination with the lightning weaponry of the Thallax Cohorts and Krios Battle Tanks he commanded, as well as that of the Knight Magaera, for their effectiveness at disintegrating foul Xenos during the Great Crusade. Though he was sucessfuly able to make them more powerful, he lamented that he could not improve their armor piercing capabilities. An Ordo Reductor force with Named Archmagos Reductor as the warlord may spend 25 points per unit armed with Lightning Guns and/or Lightning Cannons to increase their Strength by 1, to a maximum of Strength 8.

**The character and their unit add +1 to their initiative characteristic in the phase they charge.

Loyalist
Named Archmagos Reductor may only be taken in a Taghmata Omnissiah or Ordo Reductor variant force, and counts as an Archmagos Reductor.

Now with EW and unique rule.

>>50130204
Not list advice, but I gave all my guys Grey Knight helms to further push the whole knight aesthetic.

>>50130358
The unqiue rule needs a better name, tbqh.

With this statline, what Primarchs could he harm?

>>50130204
Go with chain swords on all my tacs then in addition to bolters.

>>50130295
Do they sell 30k jet packs or should I go 3rd party then?

>>50130370
A great idea!

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>>50130382
Blessed Electromancy.

>>50130424
they don't sell them separetly, but you can buy the sanguinius guard back packs for mk4 guys, mk3 doesn't have jump packs and mk2 is just generic jet pack

>>50130486
Danke!

Screw it, let's give him his own Lightning gun instead of a volkite charger too!

(Currently Un-)Named Archmagos Reductor, 400

BS5 WS5 S5 T6 W4 I4 A3 Ld10 2+/3++

Unit Composition:
1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
Mechanicum Protectiva
Cyber-Familiar
Augury Scanner
Abeyant*
Djinn-Skein
Machinator Array*
Master Crafted Paragon Blade
Melta Bombs
Four Cyber-Occularis
Rad Grenades
Power Fist
Lightning Gun

*Stat bonuses already included in profile

Warlord Trait: Dread Rites**
*The Warlord, and any unit they join, both cause Fear and are immune to it's effects, and have the Adamantium Will special rule.


Special Rules:
Independant Character
Stubborn
Battlesmith
Master of Destruction
Bodyguard
Relentless
Move Through Cover
Very Bulky
It Will Not Die
Hardened Armor
Fear
Fearless
Adamantium Will
Eternal Warrior
Blessed Electromancy*
Unseen Strike**

*Named Archmagos Reductor was noted for his morbid fascination with the lightning weaponry of the Thallax Cohorts and Krios Battle Tanks he commanded, as well as that of the Knight Magaera, for their effectiveness at disintegrating foul Xenos during the Great Crusade. He was sucessfuly able to make them more even more powerful, but lamented that he could not improve their armor piercing capabilities. An Ordo Reductor force with Named Archmagos Reductor as the warlord may spend 25 points per unit armed with Lightning Guns and/or Lightning Cannons to increase their Strength by 1, to a maximum of S8. Named Archmagos Reductor's own Lightning Gun has the upgrade applied at no cost.

**The character and their unit add +1 to their initiative characteristic in the phase they charge.

Loyalist
Named Archmagos Reductor may only be taken in a Taghmata Omnissiah or Ordo Reductor variant force, and counts as an Archmagos Reductor.

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>>50130562
By the Omnissiah.

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Hey m80s. Got myself the two Horus Heresy boxes. Really not sure what Legion I should swear fealty to. I like the Iron Warriors fluffwise, and the idea of a heavily mechanized army with tons of bodies to shield the tonks with is very intriguing, but at the same time their color scheme is a bit underwhelming (and I know that's the point). I'd really like to field either MK III or MK IV (using both is also a viable option), but I'm not so sure what to go with.

TL;DR:
>>I'm a colossal faggot who can't decide a legion. Convince me why your legion is the best legion ever

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>CCoN is having their sale
>$20 dreadclaws
>$10 dick bikes
>$20 for 3 outrider bikes
>$22 javelins

Jesus fuck time for some fast attack

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>>50130602
If you like them fluff-wise, and if you think you'll like how they look when you finish painting them, then go with them.

Besides, they got dice now!

>>50130622
Do they taste bitter?

>>50130634
Probably.

>>50130620
How the fuck do I order from them?

So I found this Black Shield generator recently and I thought it might be fun to do some rolls with it and make some unique characters, separate from just TT stats.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320463-liberalia-martiale-2016-blackshield-generator/

>>50130602
Go Iron Warriors
>loyalists in FW books are cooler than BL traitors
>Hammer of OLmpia can be Mechanized infantry, infantry spam or 3 troops and all tanks
>can use Mechanicum allies as if they were main army units so you can buff them ore than most
>mu great war theme
>you have at least 2 portrayals of your primarch to pick from
>1.army painter plate metal 2. devlan mud and chaos black wash 3. hazard stripes 4. devlan mud wash DONE
>you can spam artillery and say you're being fluffy not a WAAC fag
>You're playing 3.5 Iron Warriors in the current year

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>>50130668
dumping the ones we made

>>50130620
Man CCoN's resin is easily the worst to work with out of the three chinamen I've used. I don't just mean how brittle it is, but its failcast levels of bubbling.

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>50130668
Let's see...

>>50130602
Don't go Iron Warriors. Sure they have great characters and fluff, but I don't like that there are too many of them here and you must abide to what I like :^)
Better paint them black like the DA, RG and IH.

>>50130602
DUBS PICKS YOUR-
>>50130622
Oh... a-alright then.

>>50130668

>Salamanders
>Veteran
>Killed a Battle Brother
>Know in his Company
>Troubled
>Brave
>All Rounder

So a Sally Vet that was sent to the Drop-Site and was so troubled by the Heresy he fucked off and became a pirate. Sounds fun

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>>50130707
And

>>50130726
but brother we have the highest geneseed acceptance and bionics rate

>>50130737
>>50130668
Would it be too much to try and combine these?

>>50130602
Do loyalist Iron Warriors. Perturabo is so disliked by his own men that half the IW special characters are loyalists.

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>>50130349
>>50130290
>>50128311
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/w66mjvBk/file.html

Someone could put this to megaupload folder.

>>50130602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8zccbHq24&list=PL5j6iZqvLAB0JW6WxjQIJi5rdTETvVSFM

>>50130767
knock yourself out

>>50130759
I know. And you can snipe people with artillery and your hordes won't break down under fire, but this thread has already too many IWs and Forgeworld told me there shouldn't be any more, and by no means I'm an Alpha legionnaire.
>>50130767
Yes, it'll be too much and be too difficult. It's better not to try :^)

>>50130668
>Sons of Horus
>Initiate
>Conflict with a staff member
>Known only by his Sergeant
>Insane
>Cruel
>Close Combat

Looks like this little shit's gonna get himself killed real fast. Should've stayed on Cthonia

>>50130777
Auric comment, man. Thanks.

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>>50130773
Shit, forgot my picture.

>>50128311
Is that what Aximand looks like after Hibou Khan gave him a Chogorian facelift?

>>50130777
Thank you kind anon.

>>50130807
>>50130852
No prob, just share it further when someone r/'s.

>>50130836
Yeah, it's Aximand and Marr sparring.

Ok, I'm planning on starting Ordo Reductor come xmas and I put together a list that should be decent. Can I get some feedback?

Initial Bombardment (1500pts)

Age of Darkness FoC

HQ:
Archmagos Reductor w/ Abeyant, Machinator Array, Cyber-Familliar, Djinn-Skein and 2 Cyber-occularis and Photon Thruster. Warlord (310 pts)

Magos Prime Ordinator w/ Jet Pack, Photon Thruster (180pts)

Troops:
2x Thallax w/ Destructor and photon thruster
(175 pts each)
Adsecularis w/ 20 models, Carapace, Fearless (100 pts)

Elites:

Tech-Priest Auxilia Enginseer w/ 2 Servo-arm Servitors and Augury Scanner (80 pts)

Heavy Support:

3x Ordo Reductor Tank Battery w/ Medusa Cannon, Siege Plating, Machine Spirit and Twin-Linked bolters (160 pts each)

Total 1500 pts

Ordinator goes with one Thallax unit, starts within 6" of Reductor to launch a buffed barrage then goes off with Thallax.
Magos Reductor joins Enginseer and buffs/fixes the artillery.
Next thing I plan on adding is a Vulturax and some Vorax or Castellax for my Ordinator Magos to hang with instead.

>>50130295
>You can make a HH amy with just calth, propsero, plasticard and a healhty dose of greenstuff, it truly is the hobbyist's game.
Unfortunately I'm more interested in playing Mechanicum rather than a Legion.

Well, of course I'd want to start a Legion, but Mechanicum feels more special snowflake appealing, at least initially.

Is it just me or do the outeiders look too sleek? I don't exactly prefer 40k bikes, but I want some rugged fucking bikes to go with my Crusade armor.

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Im having way too much fun converting all my Tsons heros

>>50130803
>>50130737

And now for the warband that picked him up
>Allegiance to none
>Leader Moderate Empathic
>Homebase: Empirical
>Homebase: Oceanid
>Armour Mark: Carapace
>Primary Advantage: Savage Slaughter
>Secondary Advantage: Reflexive Skill
>Restless Compulsion
>Location: Lower
>Ally:Local Militia
>Enemy/Rival: Shattered Legion (Traitor)
>Targets: Military Convoys
>Pressing Need: Hunted
>Distant Need: Priceless Resource

So what I'm getting from this is a band of Lost Boys made up of recruits, initiates, and other failed and partially failed marines who never even got their Black Carapaces implanted. A perfect fit for the crazed little psycho I rolled earlier. They seem to have the support of the local, Age of Sail-style factions and nations, who probably are also fighting for their freedom, both from the Imperium and the Dark Compliance. I imagine they've ticked off the wrong Traitor commander with a little too much harassment and now have a combined Emperor's Children and Night Lords hunting party searching the lower sectors for them.

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>>50130909

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>>50130957
Legion snowmobile!
>>50130909
>rugged fucking bikes
Space marine bikes would be the size of a small car IRL, right?

>>50130957

JUST

>>50130737
this one could use some work
Char: SW

blackshield warband

moderately imperial (the emperor failed)
leader: intense empathic
common mark: terminator suits (cataphractii)
advantages: esoteric tech; inmune to ardour
drawback: paranoia
homebase tech level: beyond imperial
nature: volcanic wrack
located on the south of the galaxy

influences
ally:deamons
enemy: enigmatic influence

dedicate ourselves to: Attack shipping lanes
pressing need: priceless resource
distant need: competition rivalry

so we are imperial in purpose but our greatest influence are demons, we are a warband of terminators and we attack shipping lanes for priceless resources and are fighting against something/one

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>>50131371
>so we are imperial in purpose
>but our greatest influence are demons
So, you're the Thousand Son's Terminator First Company? :^)
Or rather, an outcast?
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Confessions_of_a_Wayward_Son

>>50131411
I feel the chart should roll once for most common mark and then to see if you have available terminator suits for a few or only the leader

besides that we could be salamanders that have been listening to little to much to demons without forsaking our loyalty to the imperium at large

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Does anyone know what the color coding means on this timeline?

Also, are the boxes themselves representing parts of future FW books or is it just supposed to be a comprehensive overview of the Horus Heresy?

At the moment I'm planning on sticking a squad of 5 Missile Launcher dudes in for a Heavy Support slot. Is this a good idea or are Krak missiles not good enough to deal with 30k Armour? There's a decent chance I'll put a Master of Signal with them.

>>50130737
Allegiance: Firmly Chaos
Leader's Motivation and Character: Slight Glory, Anti-Systematic - Rebellion
Homebase Tech Level: Empirical (Sub-Imperial)
Home Nature: Arid Scape
Predominant Armour Mark: V
Primary Advantage: Teleport Devils
Secondary Advantage: The Fear of Worlds
Psychological Drawback: Restless Compulsion
Galactic Locale: Solar (oh boy)
Nearest Outside Ally Influence: Raven Guard
Nearest Outside Enemy/Rival Influence: Emperor's Children
Prime Target: Armed Installations
Pressing Need: "Pay your debt, Mortal"
Distant Need: Competition/Rivalry

I'd probably go with some sort of returned Predation Fleet wreaking havoc in the Solar Segmentum, not really working for the Warmaster but instead chasing dark, ritualistic goals to further Chaos' agenda.

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>>50131466
Updated timeline.

>>50131503
it surprises me that the solar campaign lasted so long, almost 14 years to reach terra.

the whole HH lasted like 20 years isn't it, I rarely pay attention to timelines as tons of events happen at the same time in different places and some were even unknown to several parts of each faction.

>>50131537
9 years.

>>50131503
>>50131537
It's a fucking bad timeline considering the time scales involved in warp travel alone.

>>50131557
I'm still kinda waiting for Dorn to come out one day saying "I took a small ship to escape the chaos vessel and make a warp jump and here I am"

>>50131537
That's not what the Solar campaign is. The Solar campaign are all of the various uprisings along the planetary city-states and colonies, as well as rooting out traitor-held strongholds that were present prior to the Heresy, like the Shrine of Unity.

>>50131557
I think it's a bad timeline, but not for this reason. The Traitors had Chaos on their side making their passage through the warp faster than usual while fucking with Loyalist logistics.

>>50131581
Vulkan confirms Dorn is alive in the Beast Arises series. He tells Koorland that next time he sees Dorn he'll let him know what a good job the Last Wall is doing.

>>50131586
yeah I realized that after posting it, that timeline is really bad structured

>>50131611
I think it was more like "I'll meet Dorn when I die"

>>50131631
Except Vulkan can't die.

>>50131611
Vulkan is completed fucked in the head the whole time he's returned. He's talking about Dorn the way the terminally ill speak of seeing dead relatives.

>>50131631
This.

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The infantery custodes might be underwhelming so far, but by Tzeetch's 15th dimensional middle nostril their dildaran looks OP as fuck.

Mechanicum step aside, we have a new king of cheese coming up

>>50131650
that accelerator cannon sounds dope

>>50130909
What about CSM bikes?

>>50130788
Aaron use a tripcode seriously, here you have more lovers than haters here.

>>50131650
>underwhelming
Nothing wrong with the infantry Custards.

>>50130957
why create your own IP when you can make money off those spare mastodon tracks you have

>>50131503
Man, just look at all that porn going on. Slaanesh is pleased.

>>50131650
IN-FAN-TRY, I know when you post because you're the only motherfucker who spells that word wrong here.

>>50131466
it may be the main legions involved in conflict

>>50131557
>the time scales involved in warp travel alone.
Warp travel is more reliable than people give it credit for - generally shit gets where it needs to without too many problems, and anyone important in the Heresy, on either side, will have a top-tier navigator.

>>50131537
The Sol system is the most densely inhabited and junk-filled region of human space - also keeping the Dark Mech confined on Mars once was a hell of a job.

>>50131730
That march to Terra wouldn't have taken nine years if the Emperor's Children didn't take year-long masturbation breaks.

>>50131503
I appreciate it, but I'm still curious about the colors and boxes. It seems strange to color everything in so specifically without having a purpose for it.

>>50131754
Yeah, no one seems to know what the individual colors are.

>>50131752
they were probably seeing how much they could build up to store in deathstorm drop pods that would still fire

>>50131537
>14 years
>maths
Gold star

>>50131503
What was the Wolf Cull?

>>50131978
Russ decided he still had too many marines after Prospero, so he went and got them all killed.

>>50131978
Leman attacks Horus.
It doesn't go so well.

>>50131978
Russ Leroy Jenkins' onto Vengeful Spirit, goes wrong, the Wolves become stranded on Yarant III, Raven Guard save them.
Also Russ' wolves are apparently killed by Horus.

So if I just want one melee outrider squad I might as well just make it my command squad since they'll cost barely any more points for WS5, 2A base and 2+ save?

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Why don't they usually cover their bionics behind armour plates?
Additional protection never hurts.

>>50131751
I didn't say it was unreliable, I said it is slow. Travel times of several months are common when reading various books.

>>50132160
Because naked bionics is what makes Iron Hands hard.

>>50132143
Depends on if you're always fielding a praetor or something that will enable the command squad or have spare FA slots anyway. Outrider squads can also go bigger than 5 dudes.

>>50132160
Iron Hands wear bionics as marks of honour. As for other legions, it's might be because the armour pieces cannot be fitted onto bionics for some reason, like lack of room or not fitting snugly enough onto the limb.

>>50132143
Well, you do lose the outflank rule, but if you don't care about that then why not?

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>>50128079
FUCK /HHG/ help me out

I cant chose between the Sicaran ventor and the vindicator w/ laser array

>Venator

>+1 str on guns
>+2 side av, +1 rear av
>can buy more guns to protect it from weapon destroyed
>can move and shoot its big gun

>Vindicator

>1 more shot on the main gun
>60(!) points cheaper base, 80 with the upgrades i would use
>less £
>twin-linked for maximum hits

What do?

Were there a lot of blackshields and shattered legion forces through the heresy?

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Do people *really* believe that the plastics are ruining 30k? Or is it all just autism and trolling?

What should be my first Mechanicum purchase, /tg/? I'm thinking Thallax.

>>50132225
Venator looks cooler. End of story.

>>50132160
Can't Black Carapace a bionic arm. Also most bionics appear to be too big to fit inside the armor.

>>50132236
that last one

>>50132236
Autism and trolling. The plastic models, especially the Mk3 ones, look great, and offer an alternative to the Forge World stuff.

>>50132201
>Because naked bionics is what makes Iron Hands hard.
That may work in 40k, but I need a stronger argument for 30k.

>>50132211
>Iron Hands wear bionics as marks of honour.
That's acceptable.
>As for other legions, it's might be because the armour pieces cannot be fitted onto bionics for some reason, like lack of room or not fitting snugly enough onto the limb.
>>50132243
They are motherfucking Iron Hands, if anyone can make bionics with black carapace imitation, it's them.
Even if they may not fit within armour suits, plates can be affixed on top of them.

>>50132239
Yes, but those 80 points can be spent on more tactical support guys, who also look sweet in their mk3 armour

>>50132254
I feel the opposite regarding the plastic armors.

MkIV plastic looks great, MkIII plastic looks pretty meh.

>>50132294
Taste varies, I suppose.

>>50132294
I havent seen the plastic mk3 painted up in enough colors to pass judgement yet

>>50132236
All of the above. As with most complaining on the internet it's generally trolling and bullshit, but their are still elitists who think you don't deserve to play if you don't have resin.

>>50132227
Yes. Plenty of them. In a huge number of variations and coming from both sides of the Heresy.

I did an attempt at writing, should I continue this story? http://pastebin.com/kDHQtdHt

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>>50132236
You know what is? I'll tell you what it is.

Deep down, people know they aren't special. They're just nobodies in a huge world full of people who don't think twice about them or one another. So they want to find a niche somewhere that shrinks the world down to a size that they can handle. Enter any fringe hobby like mini war gaming.

So soon as that little tight blanket starts to open up and the goodness is more readily available to more people, they dig deeper in the tiny cracks within the fringe hobby. Enter 30k.

Now even this part of the hobby is getting exposed to the masses via boxed sets that aren't just available at GW shops but actively spoken about on boardgame websites etc. So these people are now backed in to a corner and the only way to defend themselves is to lash out.

However, if you don't have a massive inferiority complex and/or zero self esteem, the above shouldn't apply to you. And you should be happy that more people are engaging in a great hobby. So thats why those people exist - the one true reason. And you know what?

Fuck them.

>>50132254
My only complaint about the Mk 3 is the way their backpack is a two-part assembly that makes it really easy to have a seam show along the top. Like I can plastic cement them together, pinch them close, and hope the layers of paint hides the gap but I have a sneaking suspicion that I'd have to break out the green stuff to get a seamless join. I'm still working on my Mk 4 marines right now, so it's not an immediate issue but I'm worried about it!

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>>50131702
Aaron? I already had a tripcode :^) , thanks

>>50132507
> It was a tense anticipation, Sergeant Avako Tarkus looked at the newly formed squad, this would be their first taste of combat
Is it just me or this sentence is skrewed up?

>>50132507
Split dis shit into paragraphs

>>50132600
All of that is true but lets not derail /hhg/ with vitriol on either side and get back to arguing timelines and other productive things

So, anons. I can't decide between Ordo Reductor and Legio Cybernetica. My plan for starting Reductor is a Magos, three arty tanks, 40 thralls and 6 thallax. My plan for LC is the Cohort Cybernetica. Which would set me up with a decent army quickly, and can an army with the right units switch between them? Would like to add some artillery to my robots list, so can Reductor ally in to Cybernetica and which should I start first?

>>50132507
>his power swore cackled with energy as he unsheathed it
A student of Vhalan, I see.

>>50132225
Do you want to get to the enemy's armour and fuck it up? Venator.

Do you want to sit still and let the enemy's armour come to you for up-fucking? LDA Vindicator.

>>50132669
Will do!

>>50132718
hey, power swearing can be useful, AP3 shouting is admittedly more something for EC, but I admit, it can be handy for everyone.

>>50132649
>>50132718
Sorry English is not my native language, and I sometimes mess up while typing, I will edit it more!

>>50132760
Pay more attention to grammar, if something doesn't seem to work in a long sentence, separate it into two or more simple sentences.
English isn't my native one either, but you have some glaring mistakes without getting into autocorrected words.

>>50131732
You know, I actually never even realised I typed that extra E in infantry.

>>50131732
>>50131650
>InfanterREEEEEEEEEE
Dammit that grav tank sounds like the weapon to surpass Metal gear. As in, it would make little sense to not have you dudes fluffed to "oh and they also happen to have Custodes support because X".
Looks as if all the AP2 the Halberds didn't get was put in this tank. Maybe it shoots tiny halberds.
>>50132237
You can use Thallax along regular LA in certain conditions, and Reductor NEED Thallax. Sounds like you could use have uses for them.

>>50132649
Honest question by yet another non-native speaker: How is that screwed up? As in, how should it be written, then?
I mean no wonder Tarkus is tense, that'll be the first time their squad meets combat.
It can't be THAT Tarkus, right

>>50132733
I mean, 48 inches means i can reach out and touch most heavy vehicles (raiders, Spartans ect)

>>50132880
No not that Tarkus, I completely forgot about him. And now rereading it I can see the issue, they should be separate thoughts and separate sentences.

>>50132700
>can Reductor ally in to Cybernetica
I think so
>which should I start first?
You tell me. It is indeed easier to build a Dominus and four Castellax rather than a Reductor, six Thallax and some artillery, but it boils down to what you want the most aaaand how can you cope with the fact that people nag about the Mechanicum having access to things a regular LA list may have trouble countering, like say Four Castellax as troops or rampant MC spam.
I mean, you're no Tau...but you do have the way of spamming MCs that ignore marine armour and inflict -2 to cover saves.
Again, just saying, it's up to (You).

>>50132182
they can cross a whole galaxy in about a year, it's not that slow

>>50132905
Do you play without terrain or something?
Anyone worth their salt will keep their vehicles out of LoS from your semi-stationary anti-tank, or at least claim a 4+ cover and/or turn their front armour straight towards you. 12" movement while shooting anti-tank weaponry shouldn't be underestimated.

>>50132953
Isn't 40k warp travel still a dangerous affair? Spending months to just reach another sector. And 30k's warp is in turmoil with the Ruinstorm...unless you're hawkboy Sanguinius :^)

>>50132984
>Planet Mento Sionas Est, the whole sector's parking lot.

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>>50132986
Don't worry, let me show you.
>Magos, shut down the Gellar field!
>Shutting down in 3
>2...
>

>>50132934
OK, I think I might do the Reductor list, but afterwards expand with a Vulturax and then Cybernetica, so I can fit Scoria and friends in to the big games where everyone else has a primarch running around. I will have a few MCs, because some of the robots look damn cool, but only 8 at most at full 3000pts, 3 of them probably Vorax.
Does that look too cheesy?

>>50132733
This. Sicaran venator is way better in practice than paper, and its already good on paper.

>>50133062
The other robots will probably be the 4 compulsory Castellax and a Vulturax, BTW.

>>50132984
No, you make a good points. we play with terrain, ii have come to accept 80% of my shots will be get a 5+ cover save.

>>50132294
MkIII in general doesn't seem to translate well to minis, whereas it looks find in art. I think the helmets just end up being slightly too large and comical, irregardless of plastic or resin.

>>50133221
I think the resin ones look perfect, the problem with the plastic ones are the backpacks and the helmets. I like how the eye lenses are sunken back on the resin ones, as MkIII is just MkII with extra armor bolted on.

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>>50133221
>irregardless

>>50133258
irregardlessery :^)

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Help me hhg I am stuck between 2 Legions I love the Idea of IF Breachers with Power Fists holding the line in The Stone Gauntlet, but I also love the idea of Raven guard liberating a planet and fighting alongside the Locals

I guess what I'm asking for is dubs pick my legion

>>50133365

Iron Warriors.

>>50128711
>after the scouring

LEGION WARS BABY
LETS FUCK UP THE EYE OF TERROR

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>>50133365
Iron Warriors

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Just ordered a bunch of these helmets and the MkIV shoulder pads to help out my calth marines, but i just noticed the heads are supposed to be for mk2. Am I doing it wrong?

>>50133061
10/10 Would shut down again
>>50133062
>>50133106
Sounds very doable, anon. Nice. Will you use the FW's Mechanicum bundle thingy?
>>50133313
In all irregardlessery of the Emporer's infantery seconded to Mortarian...

>>50133365
iron warriors

>>50133365
Shattered Legion.

>>50133365
Raven Guard. Underrepresented and awesome.
>checkum

>>50133391
The MkIV and the Skull looking ones are okay. Skulls can be for any armor mark, but the targeter is MkII.

>>50133365
Iron warriors

>>50133365
Think about it this way : are you looking foward to painting all those dudes yellow, or would you rather be 80% done after the black undercoat ?
>irregardless
of your choice, my legion has messed with both of them

>>50133411
LETS
GET
B I T T E R
I
T
T
E
R

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>>50133365
Imperial Fists!

>>50133365
To expand on >>50133403 make the shattered legion Iron Warriors and Iron Warriors.

>>50133422
>>50133411
The dubs have spoken.

Anon must do Iron Warriors!

>>50133409
Ahhh i see what you mean re:targeter. I honestly wasn't planning on using those anyway (which is why I bought 5 sets, so i could have 20 of each other helm)

How are the alpha legion?

>>50133422
>>50133403
IF & IW sitcom!

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>>50133411
>>50133422

IF it is then,
Another question. If I wanted to do my dudes as some sort of Crimson Fist predecessors would I be alright if I painted the fists red or would I be shunned as a fluff rapist

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>>50133478
Shiny and awesome, and the most played by far in my area. We have a 5v5 game the other weekend - one side, all alphas.

>>50133485
>posts the holy contract of dubs pick my legion
>ignores the results of dubs
may your dice roll consistently horrible, to the point that your faggot Sigismund loses challenges, you fucking loser

>>50133485
Paint them all silver with red fists, it's an obscure scheme from the great crusade.

>>50133485
Are you aware of Alexis Polux, first chapter master of the crimson fists?

>>50133392
I would like to, but seeing as I need 6 Thallax just to start Reductor and the Thanatar is cool but not of great use with the truly BS power that phosphex medusae can put out, probably not. Not using any Cybernetica Heavy Support.
Also, I can buy one FW magos dominus and use my 40K Dominus as a second, and if I build a badass abeyant for Scoria I can use the FW one as essentially any HQ I want.

>>50133485
IF used a lot of black and red paint in general, they weren't all bananananas. I think it would look cool, personally.

>>50131650
>AP3 heavy bolters with toughness check or ID
>autocannon that has a plasma gun profile and rending

BITTERNESS INTENSIFIES

>>50133527

Aren't you running a loyalist force? Why would you ally Scoria?

>>50133514
But anon, what if it is we who are in violation of the /hhg/ Lore by not suggesting legions from the options presented by anon?

>>50132880
Most notably "a tense anticipation" just doesn't work as a construct.

You can have "tense in anticipation" or "tense with anticipation" or even "a tense anticipation of [something]." However "It was a tense anticipation" doesn't actually mean anything, it's not a complete thought.

Having not read the context I would assume the anon was going for something along the lines of "Tense with anticipation, Sergeant Avako Tarkus looked at the newly formed squad. This would be their first taste of combat."

>>50133537
Don't forget, the Accelerator Cannon also has T-test or ID.
It is quite the brutal little tank.

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>>50133485
>>50133518
Looks good to me

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>>50133518
Yeah I know he exists but I'm saying did the Blood Hand Ritual thing happen in 30k Sort of like how NL have red hands for a completely different reason

>>50133514
Jokes on you I have no-one to play with anyway

>>50133552
because he didn't specify it was between two legions in the sentence stating that dubs picked his legion
great crusade law is quite clear on this issue

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>>50133565
Would look even better on the real mini, which is 10/10.

I would love to do IF but I don't think I could paint all that yellow, and I can't afford an airbrush.

>>50133511
>We have a 5v5 game the other weekend - one side, all alphas.
The other side, also all Alphas.

>>50133517
Is this a real thing?
>notevensureanymore

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>>50133559
With AP 2. Is it designed to skull-fuck 2 wound Terminators. I can't wait to buy one from China.

>>50133586
I do mine with yellow spray primer and a brush. It's doable brother.

>>50133586
What Does CDV stand for?

>>50133548
Not necessarily loyalist or traitor, since I have no suitably awesome primarch substitutes serving Terra, I can always go for both.
Scoria's primary job is for his fuckawesome warlord trait and to make my opponents somewhat more wary about throwing Angron or Guilliman and their termie friends at my lines, lest they come into RIPANDTEAR range of Scoria and 3 Vorax. I can also use him to force enemy big guns out of cover to avoid him and to partially draw fire.

Is 2 vultarax in separate units a dick move?

>>50133420
Are you doing the entire army this way?
The terminator looks sweet.

>>50133511
I give the players one turn before everyone starts getting confused over mutable tactics.

>>50133605
What spray do you use?

>>50133607
405

>>50133576
So it is and so it will be.
Anon is under a geas to play Iron Warriors or else his dice will be forever terrible.
>>50133623
>I give the players one turn before everyone starts getting confused over mutable tactics.
Just As Planned?

>>50133566
You can always play with yourself :^)

But during the crusade IF had this oath ritual where Dorn and the marine in question would cut their palms and then clasp hands.

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>>50133607
It's 405 in roman numerals. Polux is the captain of that 405th Company.

>>50133623
Thanks, the first Contemptor is a banana >>50133605, as are the line marines. I think I'll do the veterans in black-and-gold while the line marines get banana'd.

>>50133634
Army Painter Daemonic Yellow, then I layer 3-4 extremely thin layers of Yriel Yellow, wash and highlight, and then glaze it twice with Lamentors Yellow.

>>50133485
>ignores the sacred edicts of dubs pick my legion results

may every one of your games be a retelling of the iron cage

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Tell me, /hhg/, why does he wield the Instrument?

How does everyone feel about the Death Guard, I have been playing them as a loyalist ragtag group, a nice excuse cause I can't buy a lot of vehicles or models.

>>50133605
2W terminators, characters and their retinues and primarchs, if they're not hiding in a unit.
It's not subtle, but it kills shit hard.

>>50133586
Watch this tutorial. The simplest way I've found to paint Imperial Fists, and a very good looking result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qmS9iEWYAk

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>>50133691
He wields the instrument because it is required to fire the projectiles needed to complete his mission as an assassin.

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Question:

Which legion would you say is the most fun/interesting to play with if you like terminators and power fists. I want to make a force that revolves around termies as much as possible.

>>50133559
>t-test or id
so you're telling me it's better at killing guys with lowtest?

>>50133666
Ah, I only saw the dread before the terminator. Nice army overall, particularly the right shade of yellow, black Vets is also a nice idea, will definitely make them stand out.

>>50133691
Because its name confounds the enemy, and that makes Alpharius giggle.

>>50133744
Sons of Horus
Death Guard
Iron Warriors
Ultramarines?
Dark Angels will likely be added to the list when the Deathwing Protocol arrives

>>50133744
Imperial Fists.

>>50133691

If he puts it down will he die?

>>50133744
I would guess the Legion with Fist in it's name with a special character with a special Fist who goes on to found the Crimson Fists

>>50133751
>so you're telling me it's better at killing guys with lowtest?
The lower the Toughness of the target the sooner they fail, but against T4 and 5 it's still dangerous, especially on a gun that's S7 AP2 to begin with.

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>>50133834
Also one of our legion-specific weapons is a master-crafted Power Fist (Solarite Power Gauntlet). I'm running out of Imperial Fist WIP pictures, maybe I should start taking more.

>>50133774
Thanks! It also saves me from having to paint yellow all day every day.

>>50129666
any salamander with good'ol cataphractii, master-crafted thunderhammer, stormshield and digital weapon have a reasonable chance at killing him for 200 points less

>>50133847
And don't forget that a 6 always means a fail, even when T10

>>50133365
Pick it yourself.

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>>50128411
Unification Wars
> Volkites and Rad Grenades for everyone
> A map of Terra along with campaigns
> THUNDER WARRIORS V TECHNO BARBARIANS

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>>50133744
Death Guard

>>50133907
But that would essentially make for a new game. The Legions didn't exist (In their Great Crusade and after- forms) during the Unification Wars.

That said, I can't say I wouldn't love Techno Barbarians to get models. Oh man.

>>50133900
Dubs confirm.

am I okay taking recon marines as purely infiltrating stealth objective grabbers and nothing else?

>>50133936
The 1st legion's Hosts did exist at that time.

>>50133936
>>50133991
Apparently Imperial Fists were involved too.

>>50133907
>Militia list
>Survivors provenance stock
>other provenances optional
>make volkites an option as standard weapon for grenadiers
>make bolters and volkites an option for infantry squads
>throw in predators and proteus land raiders
>unification pattern dreads
>some mechanicum units

Would it work for barbarians?

>>50133936
id just be happy with proper models for the thunder warriors
hell geedubs could just do it as a board game and id happily buy it

>>50133924
Speaking of Grave Wardens, would combi-melta and chainfist work on the sarge?

>>50134036
I thought bolters were invented during the actual great crusade's early years

>>50133967
Yep, this is their exact purpose, that and guiding your deep strikers in close with a nuncio vox

I'd recommend them more for the second use personally, as they're probably going to get charged off any objective in your enemies deployment zone, it's worth giving them something a little tougher to back them up.

>>50133874
forgot to add the ever-useful mantle of the elder drake

>>50133874
Not really. Assuming he doesn't have his bodyguard, he can ID him with his inferno pistol, get the charge and have 4 ID attacks, then two more ID attacks from his machinator array. THammers are I1, and can't ID him. Assuming he does have a bodyguard of 8 MM servo-automata, that's 8 shots that all have the chance to ID.

>>50134041
Honestly GW has been killing it with their 'board games' recently. BaC, BoP, Deathwatch, and SIlver Tower are all great. I think Lost Patrol was the only one I heard negative things about.

>>50134036
>Game is actually new updated GorkaMorka Terra edition

>>50134077
I'm pretty sure bolters were used during the Unification Wars and the Emperor's forces used weapons that were available to all factions. Of course they'd probably be very early pattern bolters, like ones you'd see on the MkI power armour (perforated barrel shroud and all).

>>50134085
The Sally would likely still lose. Both have the same saves, but the Archmagos is tougher, more wounds, and has more attacks at initiative.

>>50134101
>>50134101
see this >>50134085

>>50134140
Bolters were used by the Thunder Warriors during the Unification Wars, yes. The priest in the Last Church mentions seeing all of the above during a battle in France.

>>50134107
Well, it was just a scout and genestealer set with some cardboard hexes.

>>50134155
See this >>50134149

>>50134101
>Arbitrarily giving the 400 point Archmagos a bodyguard but not the 200 point Preator
>Assuming a sally praetor would worry about ID
Riiiiiiight.

>>50134177
True enough, but I did say that he didn't have his bodyguard in the first section, as well as assuming favorable conditions, though you are correct that if both sides had bodyguards it would be a bit if a toss-up.

>>50133774
Deathwing protocol in the next book?

>>50134177
Doing some guess-work, but I think the Archmagos is more likely to kill him. The 4 TL laspistols of the Cyber-Occularis are highly unlikely to get through the Termi armor, and highly unlikely to wound, but it's possible with extremely lucky rolls. Cyber-Occularis are not a bodyguard unit, but purchased as part of the Archmagos' wargear. The Salamander is more likely to hit, and equally likely to wound (2+), but the Archmagos strikes at initiative and when charging has 4 attacks at I4, then 2 attacks at I1, all of which wound on a 2+, but hit on a 4+ as opposed to the Salamander's 3+.

Do the Prospero marines come with a missile launcher, and is it the same as the MK IV one from Calth?

>>50134197
with some maths, the praetor does 0,66 wound per turn while the archmagos inflict 1,1 wound per turn so yeah, the sallie bite the dust quickly, but without the campaign upgrades and if the sallie get a bike and an iron halo instead of a cataphractii, that's another story

>>50134392
No, only a heavy bolter, meltagun and plasma gun

>>50133991
>>50134005
Not as the Imperial Fists and Dark Angels, clad in golden yellow and black respectively. The first Legions existed during the end of the Unification Wars, but they weren't the same Legions that fight in the Horus Heresy.

>>50134415
i fucked up again, the bike won't change shit because he's still wounded on 2+

>>50133744
>I want to make a force that revolves around termies as much as possible.
Death Guard
Termies as HQ
Termies as Elites
Termies as Heavy support

>>50134544
Troops too eh?

>>50134519
The bike just makes it so that he's only ID'd be the Inferno Pistol and Power Fist when he doesn't have EW.

>>50134415
And the Archmagos has IWND

>>50131774
Well, everything in light blue takes place in Utramar.

>>50134571
but why would you ever run a salamanders praetor without eternal warrior ? at 20 points it's a steal

>>50134592
it's included, whithout it the salamander does 0.98 wounds per turn

>>50134556
Sure, with the RoW
>>50134600
Doesn't the Archmagos wins even if the Salamander has the Mantle of the Elder Drake?

Same anon who was asking about Mechanicum variants earlier here. Couple questions about Force Org in 30k. Can a character not in your primary detatchment be the Warlord (I think not but not sure) and do allied detachments get the benefit of their Mechanicum variant buffs? I would look this up, but I currently don't have access to my books and my phone can't use the MEGA.
Would like a Legio Cybernetica allied detachment, but not much point if I don't get the Init buff or the better Cortex Controllers.

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What did you guys get up to this weekend, I primed my test models and put some black on them, but now that they're primed I'll be able to work on them on weekdays


In 'The heart of the Pharos' does the scout see
>a
All the necrons on Pharos
>b
All the necrons in the galaxy
>c
All the tyranids in the next galaxy
>>50132852
>fires tiny halberds
Can we please get the guy that drew the chainshovel to do this

>>50134638
Shiny and chrome.

>>50134618
he does, but as I said without the campaign upgrades it's another story

>>50134629
Allied detachments get 'friendly unit' buffs if the faction they are allied with have a 'Battle Brother' relationship e.g. Iron Warriors. this is why Ironfire is so good as you take a delegatus, 3 tactical blobs, 3 IW medusa, and then 9 mechanicum medusa

>>50134544
Finally, a reason to post this!

"Dude, Where's My Deathshroud?"

LOYALIST Death Guard Pride of the Legion list.

-HQ
Praetor, 100
+Tartaros Armor, 35
+Master-Crafted Deathshroud Manreaper, 25
+Digital Lasers, 15
+Iron Halo, 10
+Grenade Harness, 10
Total, 190

-Deathshroud Terminator Bodyguard Command Squad, 90
+8 Deathshroud, 320
Total, 410

-2xDeathshroud Terminator Squad, 90 (180)
+8 Deathshroud, 320 (1,920)
Total, 410 (820)

-Troops
6xDeathshroud Terminator Squad, 90 (540)
+8 Deathshroud, 320 (1,920)
Total, 410 (2,460)

-Heavy Support
3xGrave Warden Terminator Squad, 200 (600)
+5 Grave Wardens, 175 (525)
Total, 375 (1,125)

Complete total, 5,005

>>50134665
Yeah they haven't had their 3 washes yet, what would you reccomend to differentiate the metals, just vary highlights and amount of washes. Is Nuln Oil just chaos black watered down?

>>50134730
Ooh, that would be fun to try sometime, but I don't think we have an IW player in our FLGS.
I meant do they get the buffs listed under "Legio Cybernetica/Ordo Reductor Army List", so +1I for Cybernetica or ignoring difficult and dangerous terrain for LC and OR respectively, if they abide by the restrictions listed despite being allied detachments, so an LC allied force would have a Dominus/Scoria as HQ and a unit of 2 Castellax as compulsory troop. Do they then get the +1I despite the main detatchment being Ordo Reductor and so having OR buffs already in the primary?

>>50134638
I painted my first Death Guard, but I'm too shy to post them

Are legion vets still worth the points if you're not slotting them all out with fancy weapons?

>>50134935
Post it in Wip and say 'IW sent me here', that way you won't have the eternal eye of judgement on your back

>>50134935
Post 'em slut.

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>>50134638
Sure
>>50134744
Oh (You)

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Fine. Be gentle, this is my first test model to work out colours and consistency of wash in the recesses/for shadow etc

>>50132601
Vallejo putty works wonder on it. Just did my 10 support marines.

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>>50135111
Oh god damn sideways post, I'm not even on mobile

Hopefully part two doesn't go sideways.

>>50134975
>>50134975
Yep
>marksmen- gain outflank and sniper

Make it 10 man, in a rhino with a multi melta. They have 2 CCW so have 4 attacks on the charge, check any mechanicum robots with sniper, and the rhino can cause their transports to wait a turn before meeting your front line>>50135006
Tanks good but I meant the Custodes halberds, or am I blind and just can't see the bolters

>>50135111
That giant hair is going to block the ejection port and get your marine killed, anon.

>>50135243
Is it always necessary to give sniper vets rhinos if they are outflanking anyways?

>>50135111
Id say it's a good start and you just need to do some washes and highlights. Is that deliberate paint scratches on the bolter, if so WELL DONE, if not ART IS A MISTAKE. Although why in the second pic do some have red bolters but this test doesn't

>>50135267
You don't have to give them rhinos but your original question sounded more WAAC than fluffy so I gave you the WAAC answer

>>50135243
Do I still need Rhinos if I'm just going to be using Infiltrate thanks to Mutable Tactics?

The squad I've finished is 7 Bolter vets, 2 Heavy Bolters, and a Sarge with Power Weapon & Plasma Pistol. I'm probably going to start on another Veteran Squad, perhaps with plasma guns instead of Heavy Bolters though?

I'm trying to gear them towards chewing up infantry while Not-Devastators and fisty terminators look after enemy armour.

>>50135282
Spare ones that I'd previously done, painted the hand in bone and tested them out too.

I'm not quite finished with them yet, as you can see the Centurion is missing some paint; crest and pauldron need doing.

The photo also seems to have washed out the Argrax around the joints, but there's a lot more shadow in person than the photo shows

>>50135307
A rhino means that if you don't have the first turn the opponent first has to peel that rhino off pefore he can go to town on those veterans.

If you do go first (also if you don't) a rhino adds 6'' more movement to your veterans, meaning they actually can get within rapid fire range on the first turn after infiltrating.

>>50135140
Wonder what those MkIV's would look like with the face mask painted brass and a spike on top.