Space Marine Proportion Inconsistency

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>>50119487
Pic related, and the proportions in the Space Marine game, since they were build with minimal-model-clipping in mind.

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>>50119487
I still feel like Space Marine got the proportions down pretty good.

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>>50119487
Probably this.

>>50119504
Stomach seems awfully uncovered

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I also second the proportions shown in SM, but i also like this one.

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Space Marine the game did it well, whoever draws these I like as well

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This is fan art, but I think it does the proportions decently.

>>50119504
Why is his loincloth made of scripture?

>>50119818
Nothing wrong with being pure

>>50119818
To keep away ding-dong daemons.

>>50119818
Why isn't yours?

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Pic related is how I imagine they should be: Fuckhuge, but not IMPOSSIBLY fuckhuge.

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medium insane blanche levels

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>>50122921

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>>50122942
although not being too concerned with proportions lends a lot to chaos' inherent wrongness

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>>50119487

>>50119504
I feel like they should have similar limb proportions to this but they should have thicker torsos and be more grossly muscled over all. Not like a body builder though just muscled in ways that is unnatural for a human.

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>>50119487

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>>50119487
I really like the way that this guy does space marines. I like them best when they're about 7.6 feet tall, but very, very wide and bulky. Almost like a dworf.

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>>50123242

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Whoever this artist is, he nails space marines.

>>50123053
Yeah, when it comes to Chaos Marines I don't even concern myself with their proportions at all.

>>50122839
You realize that Boykins was 5'5'', right? The average imperial guardsmen is a little taller than that.

>>50123811
I think he's more referring to the difference in height between the two.

>>50123811
>The average imperial guardsmen is a little taller than that.
Shaq is still REALLY fuckin big. People who've never met the guy don't really understand how huge he is compared to a normal person, and how he only looks not-quite-that-muscular because he's simply so goddamn tall.

Shaq height + The Rocks physique = Ideal space marine.

He doesn't even have Gargantuanism or anything. He's just fucking huge.

>>50123811
and?

Being more than a foot taller on average is noticeable, alongside being like seven times as broad.

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>>50124169
Nathan Jones might be a good reference then. He's an inch shorter than Shaq, but puts more time into looking muscular. He was Boagrius in Troy and Rictus in the new Mad Max.

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>>50124227
I guess I'll post other real life examples of huge type guys.

This is Martyn Ford, a British bodybuilder. He's "only" 6'8" but he's fucking huge.

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>>50124275
Mariusz Pudzianowski
>6'1"
>320 lbs
You can see that a lot of the depiction of unarmored space marines in this thread aren't too off the mark in terms of what ridiculously strength-oriented people can look like.

Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson
>6'9"
>240lbs
The Mountain shows that you can still have that level of bulk while also being fucking massive vertically.

Jón Páll Sigmarsson
>6'3"
>290 lbs
Incidentally, he was at the height of his career (before his heart exploded) around the time of Rogue Trader and 1st edition. The classic 80s strongman, next to Arnie (the classic bodybuilder).

>>50119487
>>50119504

Here is the most important question:

Do their dicks and balls increase in proportion with the rest of their bodies, or do they stay the same size as normal human genitalia?

>>50124826
According to an Inquisitor in a recent-ish novel, yes.

>>50124860
Yes, they increase in size? Or yes, they stay normal?

C'mon anon, you're killing me here!

>>50124932
They get big.

Real big.

>>50123908
Fucking hell that guy was big

RIP in peace Andre

>>50124932
Well, it might have been that they get bigger or the guy just had a big dick to begin with, but the Inquisitor comments that he would make a good bedfellow and is pretty well endowed.

>>50124946
>>50124943
>>50124860
Thank you anons.

I will never stop loving how 4chan is the only place I can ask socially unacceptable questions derived from genuine curiosity and receive responses that take my questions seriously.

You anons are the best!

>>50126552
>awakenmymasters

>>50119564
Well technically plate armor should go together with faulds. SImilar to custodes armor.

Or you need to have segmented armor a-la eldar that use smaller plates to get better coverage.

>>50119574
How does he move? He won't be able to bend in waist with such plate on his torso.

>>50124860
What novel?

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>>50126569
kek

>>50119508
Space Marine's design was spot on.

>>50119818
Are you new to 40k or something?

>>50123242
Lel that one dude looks like Frankensteins Monster.

>>50124788
The on thing to remember is that Arnie had to lose muscle mass in order to swing his sword properly in Conan.

Hafþór is probably about the bulkiest you could get while still being able to swing a chainsword around, so I'd say marines should look a little like him.

>>50124945
for you

>>50124946
Why was an Inquisitor looking at and commenting on a Space Marine's schlong?

>>50129014
Penis inspection day

>>50123222
underrated

>>50119601
>I know we should have left those fucking civilians to die, why did I listen to the nigger

>>50123908
Fucking manlets, when will they learn?
>>50124788
>Sigmarsson
Did GW take inspiration? Or did reality become stranger than fiction?

>>50124275
Oh shit, a Space Shark.
>>50124788
Imperial Fist, Space Wolf, Blood Angel

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>>50124788
Speaking of Arnie in his Conan days, and huge people

>>50129263
Sigmar's a perfectly normal name in Iceland and the Faroe Islands

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I don't think that marines would look too much like bodybuilders: it isn't efficient to be that lean. I like the strongman look with an emphasis on real strength rather than beach muscles.

>>50129381
It would make a lot more sense for them to be bear mode really. Otherwise they wouldn't have the fat or whatever the fuck a marine has for endurance missions.

>>50129531
If I remember my early 90's spesch murine lore correctly their armor turns their shit into edible rations or some stupid shit like that.

>>50129628
I remember something about nutrient recyclers to help extend mission endurance but not outright converting shit into rations.

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Anyone have that bloodquest comic of the armorless marine going on a rampage?

think it's on the 1d4chan space marine page

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Why do the DW3 Marines look anorexic?

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>>50129263

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>>50129014
Sometimes you're in a communal shower and your accidentally scope out your buddies junk.

Sometimes your buddies junk is so big it demands to be seen.

>>50126843
The Emperor's Gift, or so I've heard (I've read that one myself, and I don't recall any dick examining in, but I could be wrong).

Had to look this up myself for a story I did a while ago.

>>50133335
He had the Emperor's Gift, if you know what I mean.

>>50126552
Do those plugs ever get clogged up from their own sweat and dead skin cells?

Do Space Marines ever suffer from ingrown hairs or body acne from spending so much time in their suits and not having the conveniences of a hot shower and soap on the battlefield?

>>50130187
>titan sized knight
>twin-gatling cannons
>[muffled 'reeeee' in the distance]

>>50129322
Who is that sexy beast on the left?!

>>50131283
>dat hand groping his glorious man boobs

>>50133807
I think their suits have nifty eviro-controls. Also those plugs wouldn't be getting clogged because they're filled by the armor-jacks that connect them to their suit.

Also space marine skin is super fancy. They have special mucus producers and shit that make it really tough and resilient. If they did get some kind of super-rash or some shit odds are the Apothecary could treat it, as long is it isn't a Nurglite infection.

>>50134171
Huh, interesting.

>>50133807
Well, ADB has Talos' skin feeling quite annoy8ng after spending 2months in armor, with the armor connection points burning him, from stuff like bacteria buildup, sweat and what have you. So as always with SM, it's something they can ignore, but it will still annoy them.
They probably have rituals of cleansing and stuff like that for the same reason they have short shaven hair, and we have the same in our army, practicality in harmonisation. Have everyone cleans their holes and helping their brothers xith theirs, and woop die doo, everyone's happy.

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From the Lord Inquisitor trailer. Looks good to me.

>>50134924
I now have the mental image of a bunch of Space Marines all sitting in a circle popping each others back zits in the center of a sauna.

After the popping is done they scrub each others backs until their skin is nice and pink, sloughing off weeks of layers of dead skin.

Once this is over, they start rubbing each other down with special moisturizing oils. And this is when the sexually frustrated female Inquisitor steps in.

>>50133846
>Wilt Chamberlain
What are you, 12?

>>50119818
In case they run into Slaaneshi daemons

>>50135343
No, I'm 27.

>>50119519
>>50119574
These are perfect IMO.

>>50135691
Not that guy but you don't know who Wilt Chamberlain is, if you knew his history you'd know you ain't the only one who thought he was sexy. He got down.

>>50124227
I don't get this focus on trying to use existing humans as a basis for what a Space Marine can/should look like. A genetically altered superhuman with all kinds of additions to his physiology isn't going to look like anything alive today by definition. I can easily imagine a Space Marine crushing either
>>50123908
>>50124275
in a bear hug without too much effort, while also being able to outrun Usain Bolt easily and with reflexes that make any Nascar driver look like a sloth. That's kind of the whole point of them. Not just peak of human capability but beyond it, so far beyond it that it's nearly impossible to imagine.

>>50137116
It's not a competition. We're not saying THESE guys are space marine tier. Also a space marine is ENTIRELY possible to imagine. What part of "big strong dude" is "nearly impossible to imagine"?

What we get from looking at these guys is an idea of the proportions of a human built entirely for strength, which a space marine essentially is, plus a little more definition and +2 feet. It's an analysis of proportions relative to size and bulk.

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>>50137116
>Nascar
>skill

kek

>>50137116
You are correct, but only to a certain extant. Space Marines aren't born, they are engineered. And the basic foundation of their bodies are homo sapien males.

It's like trans people. Or anyone that takes steroids/artificial hormones. No amount of estrogen is going to shrink your 6 feet down to a cute feminine petite size. And no amount of testosterone is going to take your 5'5 and grow you into a professional basketball player like Shaquille O'Neal.

It would be completely different if Space Marines were genetically engineered embryos that are gestated in test tubes. "Born" and raised with their augmentations, then such extremes as you point out would make sense.

But nothing is ever going to erase the original skeleton/brain/muscular system of the generic average joe homo sapien that all Space Marines are born and raised as. Why else spend so much time brain washing them, as well as augmenting them in the first place?

All they can do is add on to the original blueprints of the human body. Thus Space Marines will always be the human body taken to the extreme.

If the augmentations are as extreme as you say they are, then Space Marines would have two heads and four arms and three dicks, one which spits acid, the other which spits napalm, and the third for urinating.

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>>50137485
>If the augmentations are as extreme as you say they are, then Space Marines would have two heads and four arms and three dicks, one which spits acid, the other which spits napalm, and the third for urinating.
Matter of fact they do spit acid. And they have two hearts and an extra lung.
Fused ribcage, can turn of half their brain like a dolphin, secrete mucus that protects them in outer space vacuum, turn their skin black to protect from radiation, have blood that almost instantly cpagulates and can absorb knowledge via eating brains.

Yeah. They're pretty different.

>>50137485
>nothing is ever going to erase the original skeleton/brain/muscular system
Except all the surgery and implanted parts and organs

>>50123222
Except the third image wasn't Marc Gibbons but Kev Walker.
...just sayin'...

>>50123908
size of that fuckers thumb!!!

Pre-Kopinski is nice. The more realistic the proportions the better. I realize it's apparently heresy but if they could reduce the sheer mass of the pauldrons I'd like the look better.

>>50143292
that defeats the fucking purpose of the pauldrons in the first place.

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>>50143582
I don't really give a shit, friend.

>>50137485
>But nothing is ever going to erase the original skeleton/brain/muscular system of the generic average joe homo sapien that all Space Marines are born and raised as.
Completely wrong.

Firstly, potential marines are generally selected from 10~13 year old children. Their bodies and brains were never fully developed before the augmentation process begins. There are known ways of augmenting adults (such as the original Thunder Warriors used by Emps to conquer Terra, or various horrible methods used by Fabius Bile to create Chaos Marines), but they don't work as well because of the significant variance in the subject's starting baseline.

One a group of candidates has been selected they receive the first three augmentations simultaneously: the secondary heart, the Ossmodula, and the Biscopea. The Ossomodula and the Biscopea completely hijack the bone-growth and muscle growth of the neophyte, augmenting them with ceramic compounds and other esoteric methods. They start as a child just entering their teenage growth spurt, except it doesn't end until they're 10 feet tall and can bench press a car. And that's just the first three out of twenty changes.

Over the course of the next few years, they receive massive changes to their biology and brain function through multiple different methods. They are hypnotised, chemically altered, and have large portions of their original flesh/brain cut out and replaced. They are not, by any definition, still human at the end of it.

The most important thing to remember: this process takes place when normal children would be going through cultural awakening. Where a normal child is just learning what it means to be an adult, and which parts of the world they can push against and which they cannot, a marine is being torn apart and remade, praying to the Emperor everyday to survive the process. They are child soldiers, the Hitler Jugend with bolters, fear sliced out and replaced with extra hate.

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>>50144374
Still doesn't change the fact that the dipshit proportions of fantasy authors just look shit on an aesthetic angle, as opposed to something we know from reality is a bit more viable. I'm fine if a space marine looks like someone took a World's Strongest Man champion and bulked him up EVEN more, but I want to vomit whenever I see one of these "eighteen ton body with tiny pinhead" space marine proportion sketches.

>>50144496
My headcanon explaining this shit is that the Emperor made the heads tiny so that it's a smaller target/weak spot they also have tiny dicks

>>50144496
Jesus that is unfortunate looking.

>>50144496
I think the armor is significantly bulkier than the man, with things like the Marine's hands actually being inside the armor's wrists and remotely controlling the armor's hands.

>>50144594
Then please explain to me how the elbows work

>>50144608
Hmm. On second look, you're probably right and this is just some seriously crappy art. Oh well.

>>50144496
ten foot tall fan marines will never not look completely ridiculous

Jesus I forgot about that set of images. His bare feet are like three times the size of his head.

>>50124826
In the grey knights book by ADB they take communal showers and a nasty Attialn rough rider lady Inquisitor henchman teases the main grey knight guy about his endowments. He dosent get the joke.

>>50144684
I knew BL novels aren't that great, but seriously?

>>50144716
It's a solid book, Aaron debem-boski really changed my opinion of the grey knights with that book. I forget the grey knights name, but he was actually interacting with humans but struggling with nuances and the relationship between the Inquisition and the grey knights, like who is actually the boss of who.

I suggest it if you really want to get Matt ward knights out of your head cannon. ADB was writing it during the codex drop and re-did half his book to make it fit in his mind better.

>>50144658
See, doesn't this look much better? Doesn't this look more like something you could see slaughtering heretics with brutal efficiency, rather than some vaguely five-limbed piece of flesh lumbering around in a warehouse's worth of ceramite?

>>50126830
That is the Mk.IVs most stand-up problem.

All these marine-in-suit overlays always have either some part of the body or suit distorted out of proportion, or else depict the suit as being stupidly thick in some spots and stupidly thin in others.

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>>50145836
You can never really get around those bell-bottoms being massively thick, but Relic did a pretty good job with space marine.

>>50123222
So, headcanon time: certain Space Marine chapters have, over time, had their geneseed corrupted, causing the Ossmodula and Biscopea to become overactive, causing their growth to cause them to bloat into those sorts of disproportionate sizes.

>>50146170
I always figured the big legs were for better stability and stomping. Also I think they might contain some of the suit's systems.

>>50146231
Would be good, if it weren't for chapters like the Ultramarines having been depicted every way across the board.