MTG: Modern General

>>50113792
The best thing that happened to modern this year after Nahiri

>>50114128
The last three sets have had something playable in modern. Think something in Kaladesh will start getting played?

>>50114158
Cathartic reunion ???

Ah, the classic Round 1 feature match with one woman/"woman" on camera just because, no matter the skill of either player.

That Infect faggot actually picked up Melira to read the card.

why is lantern control the most fun deck in modern with the highest skill ceiling?

Lets say that my opponent attacks with 2 creatures and I block and trade with 1 after combat damage is assigned and it dies, can I then cast Celestial Flare before the combat phase has ended and make him sac the other creature? Do I still take damage from the bigger one too?

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I'm thinking about mainboarding Jotun Grunt in Modern UW Emeria.
It keeps Jund's Goyf's and Flayer's small, it dosen't die to bolt.
Keeps Dredge at bay with some support.
Slows down Delve based strategies, bashes Tron a little before Urza Tron is online. Mill is not a real thing but it's amazing against it.
I'm thinking about Fiend Hunter and Claw of Gix as well.
Anyone have experience with it?

>>50114351
Yes you can do it, and yes you take the damage
Creatures are still attacking/blocking at the end of combat step

I'm not an expert but that's how I feel it, you should ask a judge to be sure

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>>50114351
Yes you can make him sac the creature before the combat is over, after the damage. But after the damage also means that you would take the damage, unless you killed his other creature with a first striker.

How does the dredge deck actually win? I get that you get a bunch of creatures into play but they're all 3/3s and 1/1s, it seems like any decent creature strategy would wrek that.

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>>50114550
A bunch of 1/1s and 3/3s turn 1 or 2 is a big deal. Really hard to handle

>>50114472
this is the most secret tech ever anon

>>50114550
Such as? Affinity goes wide but are mostly weaker than 3/3's, and that's about it. Elves if you've got a good hand maybe. Beyond that, what are these mythical 'creature strategies' with so many blockers?

>>50114585
>>50114574
Not that anon you responded t, but I was thinking about conflagrate to clear the way once your opponent think he have stabilized

>>50114158
>The last three sets have had something playable in modern. Think something in Kaladesh will start getting played?

madcap experiment and platinum angel is a pretty spicy ad naus sideboard plan

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How did FNM go for everyone?
What did you play?
Any specific highlights?

>>50115137
Modern is dead at my LGS and I live in a college town. Ive been pushed to MTGO to play

Where's the best place for Chinese fakes? Also, how do they do flip cards?

>>50115320
Villa Zheng YouTube
>Also, how do they do flip cards?
They don't. What flip cards can you not afford? None of them are overly expensive.

>>50114472
Post list? Unless you have a way of fueling your own graveyard i think he should just be sideboard against dredge and maybe delver. Two cards is okay but the cumulative upkeep is unsustainable and hurts your own strategy a little

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>>50115137
pretty well. went 3-1 with Jeskai Nahiri+Geist. Could've taken that last match as well but misplayed

Also I got this bad boy out of my prize packs

>>50115137
Went 3-0 with sultai

>>50115623
>Villa Zheng YouTube
Avacyn, really.

>>50116440

I thought we were talking about modern cards.

>>50116822
Was ignored in the other thread

Can standard cards be made?

>>50116853
No

>>50115137
Went 4-0 with RUG eternal command

Tron: 2-1
Infect: 2-0
GW Hate Bears: 2-0
Mardu: 2-0

Had some pretty intense matchups and a lot of fun. Would recommend the deck

>>50116277

Mind posting a list? I've been looking for a good sultai build.

>>50114158
Chandra the Torch of Speculation will get played in Skred and Ponza.
>>50114472
I went 1-2 with infect. I beat a weird reanimator deck then lost to affinity and g/r ponza. The ponza games were pretty fun. I wished I was on dredge for the ponza match. I don't know how dredge beats affinity though.

The fug are all those literally who decks

>>50114250
Newbie here, I want to try this because it was described to me once as fucking torture to the opponent and my friend is a smug fucker who just keep stomping my shitty goblins with his 1000000 bucks eldrazis. Can you give me some pointers about how it works? I honestly don't get it.

>>50117854
Good ones clearly as they all took first place
The command deck is actually from the inception of modern, breh

>>50117907
It's a one trick pony that gets old really fast to play.
>>50117395
BUG MidrangeMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
// Land
2x Breeding Pool
2x Creeping Tar Pit
2x Darkslick Shores
1x Forest
2x Island
3x Misty Rainforest
1x Overgrown Tomb
3x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
2x Watery Grave


// Creature (14)
1x Scavenging Ooze
2x snapcaster mage
1X pack rat
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4x Tarmogoyf
2X banana man

// Sorcery (12)
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Maelstrom Pulse
3x Serum Visions
4x inquisition
1X damnation

// Instant
2x Abrupt Decay
1X victim of the night
1x Go for the Throat
2X Spellsnare
2X dispel
1x collective brutality
1X cryptic command
3X thoughtscour

// Planeswalker
1x jace, architect of thought

Might have missed a card

>>50114158
My pick is looter scooter, I'm thinking about jamming 4 in [spolier]Faeries[/spoiler]

>>50114158
I've seen some Infect builds running Blossoming defense and I'm pretty sure almost every Dredge list runs Cathartic Reunion now.

>>50117854
>not knowing eternal command
what the fug dude

>>50114158

Lost Legacy is a pretty cool sideboard tech.

>>50119320
I really like lost legacy with eternal scourge.
You just keep playing them and letting them eventually hit the yard. Then jam a lost legacy and draw 4. Alternatively you just cast it turn 3 on yourself, name it and watch and you get 4 in exile to cast and 4 cards in hand.

bit off-topic but didn't want to make a new thread just to ask this:

does anyone here use MTG studio? I can't figure out how to "flip" dual face cards to see the full art

>>50114158
Inventor's Fair and BG fastland already a staple in Lantern Control, Blossoming Defense in Infect, fastlands in general for midrange, Cathartic Reunion in Dredge.

>>50117128
Post list please. I can't find anything current and the guys on mtgs are retarded

>>50119555

You don't draw unless they are in hand, so it's not nearly as good as you think. Still cool though.

>>50115137
Played Dredge. Went 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, ID.

I had lots of great opening hands.

In one game, I missed a Prized Amalgam in my graveyard (brought 2 out of 3 back), and it ended up winning me the game after an Anger of the Gods.

>>50119555

>I really like lost legacy with eternal scourge.


Sadly it doesn't work like this, as need to have eternal scourge in your hand to draw a card.

>>50121393
>just noticed the from hand Clause
Ugh

>tfw no dredge in top 8

Eat a dick leddit/modern nexus/mtgs

>>50114158
The fastlands are all seeing varying degrees of play, Madcap Experiment is seeing play in a few combo decks, Cathartic Reunion is so good in Dredge that it could be banned, Chandra is seeing play in some Jund lists as well as Skred, Filigree Familiar is also seeing play in Blood Moon Jund.

>tfw eternal command guy never posts his brew

>>50122808
t. dredge player

>>50122808
Dredge's power is always going to be inversely proportional to how popular it is because of how much efficient hate exists for it

>>50123856

Jokes on you, Im an Elves player. People just need to adapt.

>>50124503

Easy to say when you can just CoCo into 2x Shaman of the Pack for a free win.

>>50123856

t.analpained Nahiri player

Played eggs, went 3-1
2-0 against G/B Elves
2-0 against dredge
0-2 against infect
2-1 against 4 color company. THE guy playing the deck got 36th place with it at GP Indianapolis. I am beginning to like eggs, it has been serving me well in this meta.

>>50124853
Share your list.

>>50115137
no modern fnm at my shop
I played standard and lost to 14 year olds, all the adults were playing cube and they didn't want to do a pod with more than 8

is bant spirits worth building, been playing it a bunch on cockatrice and it's a lot of fun

>>50125598
I don't think it's possible to do well with the deck if you're not caleb
he's streaming right now, you should just ask him what his thoughts on the deck are

>>50125619
how's Naya Evolution then? Was thinking of building Bant Spirits, Naya Evolution or making some homebrew based around Restoration Angel and blinking things repeatedly

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If the attacking opponent has prized unicorn on the field and attacks with it, and with another creature or two and I have for example a 2/3, and a 1/1. Could I just kill it off with the 2/3 and use the 1/1 to block the other creatures he/she has or will it just end up tapping the 1/1?
I'm sure there's other cards like prized unicorn but I'm trying to figure out the ability of it

>>50126055
If the card doesn't make sense, read the card
The card's ability explains how the card works

>>50126055
the 1/1 still has to block Unicorn even if the 2/3 kills it

>>50126055
I mean kiki chord seems like an okay deck to build but I would probably go for something simpler if you're new to modern

>>50126008
>>50126088

>>50126073
okay, thanks. it doesn't end up killing the 1/1 does it even if it blocks second?

>>50126088
>>50126094
I've only been playing magic for about 4-5 months and I play tron anyways. I just want a 2nd modern deck that plays different from RG Tron

>>50126111
yes, all of Unicorn's combat damage gets assigned to the 2/3, so the 1/1 lives

>>50126117
if you want something fun and kind of competitive then go for it

if you want a real deck then build infect and pray it doesn't get banned

>>50126124
much appreciated

>>50126127
I already have a friend with Infect in my playgroup, so I'd rather not build Infect

I'm still leaning on Bant Spirits but Naya Evolution might happen instead

>>50126124
>>50126140
The Unicorn's damage is assigned by its controller, so in the vast majority of cases the unicorn and the 1/1 would die in this scenario

Why does every ad naus list run different approaches to lands. And why aren't there any utilizing the new lands already. I really want to get to building one but I can't decide on what land base to run.

>>50116853
boy, you don't bother master zheng with a paltry 15$ card
you do it for 6 Revised dual lands, 3 goyfs and some lilianas

I want infect to leave modern

>>50125598
I built bant spirits and I've gotten top 8 twice. It's not that cheap to build and it's only recently seen play so if you're willing to invest in it, it's an incredibly fun deck. It deals well with every deck besides tron if they're online by turn three and suicide zoo. Jund is 60/40 in their favor. Infect is a breeze.

>>50121091
Should have gotten a warning, it's impossible to miss the amalgam triggers

>>50118865
Collective brutality is a Sorcery
Also you have 7 inquisition in your list

>>50126055
Instead of asking g a competitive thread about something as basic as reading the fucking card, why don't you ask the Ask A Judge thread? Seriously, why the fuck do newfags decide to come to the thread with competitive and $$$ in the fucking OP and ask stupid fucking questions. People like you should get a fucking day ban for asking a question as fucking stupid as the one you just asked

>>50128071

Probably one of the inquisitions stacks supposed to be thoughtseize.

Blossoming Defense was a card made by wizards to push infect to the top of the meta so they could have a legitimate excuse for banning it

>>50129174
What single piece could wizards ban that would make infect unplayable? Your reasoning is flawed anon

>>50129500
Any of the infect creatures.

The pump spells are redundant but you really need an infect creature that comes down early. Past glistener elf and the blue unblockable one, the relative power level goes down fast.

>>50129174
Defense is just Vines of Vastwood 5-8. It's not going to push Infect into bannability. The possible T2 win that the deck has isn't enough for them to
>>50129500
Elf/Agent would work.

>>50130011
There is a zero percent chance elf and/or agent will ever get banned in modern

>>50130076
If it wins the GP and kills on turn 2/3 multiple times on camera I can see the possibility of it

>>50130076
>There is a zero percent chance elf and/or agent will ever get banned in modern
I know, I was just answering his question.

>>50130011
Vines is defense 5-8, for one mana you get protection and pump where you only get extra damage with Vines if you kick it

>>50130112
Cards like become immense and apostles blessing have more of a chance of getting banned because they enable those fast kills. Elf/agebt ban would completely kill of the deck, which isn't wizards ban philosophy

>>50130157
>which isn't wizards ban philosophy
>what were twin and pod

>>50130007
Banning either of those would kill the deck.

>>50130136
And your answer to my question was a bad one


Anybody who is calling for an elf/ageny ban has no idea how the ECU decides bans. They try to nerf decks, not completely kill them. The two outliers are pod (which deserved to be banned) and twin (which was banned because it was boring to watch on camera. Now that there aren't modern pro tour I see no reason why it should remain banned)

>>50130172
Pod is fucking broken. Deal with it

Twin was banned due to the constant mirror matches on camera

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>>50130199
>has no idea how the ECU decides bans.

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How to fix modern (even though it's not broken and fun and engaging if you aren't a shitbrewing faggot whose meme decks will never put up results):

1. Unban SFM
2. Ban batterskull
3. Reprint Baleful Strix in MM17

>>50130216
At least Maro gets it. And why the fuck does my phone auto-correct DCI to ECU. The fuck is ECU?

>>50130199
>And your answer to my question was a bad one
What question of yours did I answer? Elf/Agent ban would make infect unplayable, like he asked.

>The two outliers are
There's also Bloom and Eye recently. They stop being outliers at this point, anon.

>They try to nerf decks, not completely kill them.
They're okay with killing decks. Abzan Company is nowhere near Melira Pod, just like Kiki Chord is nowhere near Twin, just like Azusa is nowhere near BloomTitan, just like Bant Eldrazi is nowhere near the Eldrazi Winter lists.

>>50130238
You don't even need to ban batterskull. Artifact hate is rampant in sideboards and Kolaghan's Command is a card

>>50130318

>What question of yours did I answer?
The question you replied to? "What single piece could wizards ban?". That was my post, dipshit

>Bloom and eye
Eye of ugin was what made eldrazi,i fucking busted and gave tron insane inevitability. The banning of it needed the decks, but didn't kill them. Do you even play modern? Bloom ban needed the deck, but didn't kill the archetype. Do you even play modern?

>Last part
You just agreed with me there. All those decks are less Powerful versions of the old deck, while still being playable. What the fuck are you talking about?

>What question of yours did I answer?
Man I have to go back to this. How fucking stupid are you? Do yoi think every post is a different person or something? How fucking autistic are you?

>>50130238
Just reprint counterspell

>>50130387
>The question you replied to? "What single piece could wizards ban?". That was my post, dipshit
You should read your own posts.
>>50129500
>What single piece could wizards ban that would make infect unplayable?

>>50130238
Unban JTMS.
Unban SFM
Print Swords to Plowshares for modern.
EZ pz.

>>50130387
>Needed the decks
*Nerfed the decks. Goddamn auto-correct

>>50130426
Those are both my posts. You're a special kind of stupid aren't you

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>>50130458
At least some good came out of this;i finally got assed enough to google how to screen shot on my phone

>>50130480
It might be because I'm high but I genuinely don't understand what this argument is about.

>>50130387
>Eye of ugin was what made eldrazi,i fucking busted and gave tron insane inevitability.
Tron already has insane inevitability.
>The banning of it needed the decks, but didn't kill them.
What?
>Bloom ban needed the deck, but didn't kill the archetype.
Archetypes are not decks. Bloom was deep in tier 3, and they banned it anyway.
>You just agreed with me there.
Yes, this is a discussion, not a fight. Easy with the abrasiveness.
>All those decks are less Powerful versions of the old deck, while still being playable.
They bump them down several tiers. Do you know how many people quit after the Twin ban? So many people went Jund/Tron/Affinity/Infect rather than trying to scrape together Kiki.
>>50130458
>>50130480
I know it was both you. I'm showing you your question. You asked what could be banned that would make infect unplayable. You are being insanely defensive, and nobody here understands what your position on anything is.

>>50130511
Jesus Christ your a fucking idiot who has no idea what your talking about

Of course tron has inevitability, that's the whole goal of the deck, but the eye ban made it so it is still beatable after turn 4

Yeah archetype was bad word choice, but wizards knew that if they didn't ban the turn 1 cbo deck after the (cheated) turn 1 kills it would have become dominate

The twin ban was bullshit and everyone knows that

And no you didn't. And from my first post I've been saying that there is no way wizards could ban a single card from infect without killing the deck. And we're the only two posting right now, so it's just you who can't wrap your head around that fact

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I don't really understand why everyone is so mad about the twin ban. I mean 90% of twin is playable in another deck.
And if you just replace Exach and Twin with Breach and Emmy (or even Inferno Titan in most situations) you still have a really solid deck that can "combo" off on turn 5 easily, and has a myriad of really good Sideboard options.

>>50130677
>I don't really understand
This much is extremely apparent. The decks are nothing alike

>>50130238
Cards in modern masters aren't automatically legal in modern. It's just a name.
Decent idea otherwise

>>50130605
>but wizards knew that if they didn't ban the turn 1 cbo deck after the (cheated) turn 1 kills it would have become dominate
The deck was nowhere near consistent enough to land those kills. It tended to be T3, T2 if you were very lucky. If you had the spirit guides in your deck to facilitate T1, you were wasting space in your deck for alternative win lines. Inconsistence and folding to sideboard is what kept it from getting higher than the bottom of Tier 3, and an occasional T1 win wouldn't make it dominate.

>And no you didn't.
Yes, I did. That's why I said: "You should read your own posts."

You're making up boogeymen to fight. I really have no idea what's got you so worked up. You asked what they could ban to make infect unplayable. I answered your question, and you flipped your shit about how wizards makes their bans.

>>50130697
...both are UR tempo decks that run a gay 2 card combo that just wins on turn X
You can't say that the decks are nothing alike when there is literally only a 8-12 card diffrence.

Ban inkmoth nexus

>>50130819
Except one ends the game and the other doesnt
Emrakul is a dead card in your hand whereas exarch isnt

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>>50130844
nigga just about every deck in the format runs fetches and shocks, plus you've got bolts and snapcasters
If your opponent is able to survive a breached Emmy you weren't meant to win that match

>>50130903
You're retarded. I'm done. Twin is not like your stupid Emmy breach deck

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>>50130965
Yeah sure thing anon, and Jund is nothing like Junk right?

>>50130987
Why did zero twin players switch over to this epic breach deck? It's the same thing isn't it?

>>50131101
Becuase 90% of twin players are brain dead faggots who couldn't stop pissing themselves, for a whole year and then ended up buying into the Jeskai Nahiri meme

>>50131143
LOL ok. Are you an actual child, by chance? I'm sure all the pros playing twin have totally missed the greatness of your deck

>>50131178
I think you'r the child here friendo, because you are too stubborn and retarded to see how similar the two decks are and play. And the fact that you're arguing "b-but the pros don't play it!" is just sad, because there are pros who think Soul Sisters and modern D&T are good decks

>>50131246
Yea and mono red burn and naya burn play the same too.

>>50131277
Mono Red burn isn't even a deck, it hasn't been for years.
Mono red is a fucking meme made up for people who thing budget modern is a thing
Mono red plays garbage like fucking shard volley and has a massively different card pool over.
>no helix
>no cat
>no firewalkers
>no boros charm
>no atarka's command
>no revlery
>no fetches or shocks

the only thing the two decks have in common is that playing lava spike on turn 1 is considered an acceptable play.
You're fucking dumb nigger

I'm thinking about getting into the format with Merfolk. Any tips about match-ups, sideboard tech, etc?

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>>50131383
>Nacatl in burn

It's like you enjoy losing

>>50131396
Start playing modern on xMage/Cockatrice before you buy the deck. You don't want to throw down 700 dollars and find out you don't like the deck. Don't buy caverns until the next Modern Masters set if you want to save money or don't have a local store to play at.
Just play test a lot.

>>50130771
Core sets used to be that way then they changed it, no reason why you couldn't do that with modern masters

>>50131383
>Mono Red burn isn't even a deck
Nor is ur breach. Thanks for proving my point

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>>50131451
I hate to tell you this senpai, but 18 out of the last 20 burn decks to top 8 at a live event and not on some shitty mtgo league run kitty cat as a 4 of
wanna know why? because its a good card

>>50129500
They ban become immense and it's no longer tier 1

>WotC bans Fetchlands

What happens?

>>50131685
No more pick the best cards ever printed, cram all of them in a 3 color 2000$ deck and play with your feet.

>>50131829
that sounds lovely.

>no mention of infect's power in the top 100 decks at the GP
confirmed safe

>>50131685
suicide zoo becomes unplayable
burn gets better since decks will start playing more shock lands and pain lands
infect gets worse since it's harder to fill the yard for become immense
affinity laughs it's ass off

>>50131896
It is all these fetch lands make the multiple XXY mana requirement absolutely pointless, I mean fucking cryptic command a UUU1 card is viable in 3 color decks, it's just pure nonsense.

>>50131926
Then go play standard

>>50131937
>implying it's not the same thing

Mono colored decks should be the most stable decks.

>>50131955
But they are since blood moon exist, anon

>>50131926
What's the problem with people playing lots of colors? You have to take more damage from your lands and you scoop to blood moon, which should be seeing a ton more play imo. Also, the only 3 color piles that are good in modern are jund and junk, bant eldrazi is a very synergistic deck.

How to fix modern:

Remove the entire format
Return to supporting legacy
Remove everything from the ban list but Flash

>>50132128
>Remove everything from the ban list but Flash
so play vintage without a restricted list?

>>50128485
*tips*

>>50132067
There are also all the delver variants.

>>50132038
Yeah but if you don't draw blood moon instantly it diminishes it's effectiveness greatly even useless to drop a late game blood moon if he fixed his mana with fetchies while it would still work amazingly against shocks,fasts etc.

>>50132241
A delver deck isn't just a $2000 pile of cards though, playing delver of secrets means you want 25+ instants and sorceries, and the different colored versions of the deck play very differently. UR is a super aggro deck that refuels with bedlam reveler, grixis is secretly a control deck that just wins with delver or young pyro, and rug is a tempo deck that plays very efficient threats and protects them. Honestly, when I hear people whine that modern is just 3 color piles it really just makes me think that they haven't been playing for very long and are upset that they can't play the deck that they want for monetary reasons. That's a valid complaint, but magic is expensive and I don't think that bannings are the way to change that.

>>50118967
Blossoming defense probably will not stick, the card is good but everything infect already has access to is better.

>>50132350
it's just a downgrade from vines of vastwood

Trying to improve my mana base for UG Infect so far have a playset of yavimaya coast and running 6 of U & G Basics. Thinking instead of buying fetch or shocks getting a playset of city of brass any advice is otherwise appreciated.
>inb4 get inkmoth nexus (that shits expensive)

>>50132530
If you're playing on a budget you definitely just want to go mono green. I would also definitely prioritize getting inkmoth nexus over any other cards, it's the best card in the infect deck by a mile.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rug-eternal-command-4/

I've been playing Eternal Command for some time now and I'n trying to tune it further. I 4-0'd last fnm but I know that deck isn't optimal.

I'm seriously considering dropping red for white.
It's nice that I can reuse bolts but I rarely find myself burning opponents out because the deck has such an incredible long game I'd rather go that route. This leads me to wanting path for big creatures - I've lost games I was firmly winning just because my opponent played kalitas and I have no hard removal.
Additionally huntmaster is rather weak in this meta and I think a resto angel would serve the deck better in his place.

I'm definitely open to suggestions. I tried black with flayers, decays and the like but I still didn't have a 1 cmc removal spell to save me in the early game.

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>Grixis Control-post often here
>get told my deck sucks and that Dredge is tier -3 best in universe
>Grixis control at 14-0

>>50132996
People always say that Modern takes little skill but dedication to a deck gets you so far

It's especially visible on cockatrice, where everyone picks up the hottest meme deck and sucks horribly at it but then you play against that one guy who does know how the deck works

I just played against a Dredge player who broke into bitch tears about how it was impossible to play around Anger of the Gods after allowing all three of his optional Bloodghast triggers when he had no reason to play a land and had me on 4 life

>>50132996
>>50133151
also, post list

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>>50115137
5-0 with Eldrazi Taxes

2-1 Infect
2-0 Affinity
2-0 TitanShift
2-1 Dredge
2-0 Nahiri

>tfw no merkfolk bros

>>50133895
No offence but I find the deck incredibly boring

>>50133895
I'm here for you. Merfolk is by far my most terrifyingly awesome deck. Followed closely by 8 Rack and Zoo. Merfolk is just so good though....

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>>50133171
2 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Steam Vents
3 Island
1 Blood Crypt
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Spirebluff Canal
1 Mountain
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Tasigur, The Golden Fang
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Serum Visions
2 Spell Snare
2 Countersquall
4 Thought Scour
3 Terminate
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Cryptic Command

Sideboard:
2 Dispel
2 Sun Droplet
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Damnation
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Izzet Staticaster

>>50134144
This list look slow but would wreck me.
I don't like the visions on the main deck but I suck at playing grixis delder so I bet you are sure with what you are doing

Hi, I'm new to the MTG. I only just got to try it out to be frank and I have absolutely no idea where to start, any suggestions?
Whats new?
What should I think about when building a deck?
How many lands is one to many?
Do you have any form of reference when building decks, like how many spells, how many creatures and so on?
Will I get banned if I try to play a deck with a mix and match cards, from different collections?
Is it better to play one color or several colors?

agh... so many fucking questions!

>>50134232
>Hi, I'm new to the MTG. I only just got to try it out to be frank and I have absolutely no idea where to start, any suggestions?
Magic duels but it's not exactly "real magic" as there's a rarity restriction that doesn't exist anywhere else, for a more clunky but realistic experience you should try Xmage

>Whats new?
you
>What should I think about when building a deck?
Depends on the format
http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats
How many lands is one to many?
Depends on the deck and format, there are deck that run 0 lands and decks that run more than 25, generally it's between 19 (for the fastest and low mana curve decks) to 25 for the slower ones.
>Do you have any form of reference when building decks, like how many spells, how many creatures and so on?
Depends on the format (see above) and the kind of deck you want to play
>Will I get banned if I try to play a deck with a mix and match cards, from different collections?
No
>Is it better to play one color or several colors?
Depends on the deck

>>50115137
Played 3 matches of Standard. I play a $10 tribal vampire deck.

1-2 Vs. "I only play Standard as a warm up for Modern" guy

0-2 Vs. Infinite copter combo

1-2 Vs. Some kids mom with the pre-built Nissa deck.

>>50134232
>where to start ?
Draft at your LGS, draft let you have new cards, build decks and meet people to play/trade with for rather cheap
>What's new ?
The kaladesh set
>What should I think about when building a deck ?
It depend on what you look for in magic
When I build a deck for casual I think about how fun the synegy in the deck is
When I tune for competitive, I just adapt my list to my worst matchups
>any reference on numbers ?
It depend heavily on the deck, I like 18 land for 41 cards in draft with at least 13 creatures
For constructed it depend on what you want to build
>will I get banned if I play cards from different collections ?
Well, in draft you play the cards you open
In constructed, it depend on the format
You can play cards from the 3 last set in standard (curently kaladesh/Shadow over inistrad/battle for zendicar)
You can play cards from 8 edition and after in modern, it's called modern but some cards are old
In Legacy cards from any set can be used, unless some in the banlist
In Vintage you can play cards from any set, but some are restricted to 1 because they are too powerfull
>monocolor vs multicolor ?
Multicolor is always more expensive or less reliable, sinse good multi color lands are expensive
Otherwise, either can do well
But almost all the competitive decks in modern play at least 2 colors

>>50132530
There's new UG fastlands, the only downside to them and the reason pros aren't running a playset is the lack of delve fodder for Become Immense, but if you're considering rainbow lands I highly recommend the new fastland instead.

>>50130427
>Print Swords to Plowshares for modern.

Yes please. Fuck path to exile.

HOLY SHIT SKRED

>>50134232
There's a pro player named reid duke that wrote a series of articles meant for new players called level one, I highly recommend checking them out if you're up for a lengthy read.

This thread is the thread for the modern format, which uses cards printed from 2003 until now. The most popular format and the best one for new players is called standard, and it only uses cards printed in the last two years. The decks are cheaper to make and the card pool is a lot smaller so you don't have to worry about as many cards.

>Trying to Ricochet Trap a Logic Knot

KEK

>>50135302
It worked out.

>>50135333
missed the entire play

why exactly did it work out?

>>50135397
ricochet trap redirects logic knot to ricochet trap

WE SKRED NOW!

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>mfw my snow-covered mountains are going to spike

>>50135627
>tfw my foil skreds are 20 bucks already

So is chandra torch of memes confirmed for good in skred?

holy smokes it's really happening
>#teamSKRED

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Literally the red lingering souls, get em dead mom and pop

>banned from twitch CB channel

lol

they can't handle criticism

>>50134356

How does it feel to get rekt by someone's mom that plays an intro deck?

>that interaction between eternal scourge and chandra
oh boi

>>50135844
I've been banned for a while. All I did was mention how production on official Magic streams hasn't gotten better over time, citing the broken overlays on the screen at the time.

>>50135851
A bit depressing, but for all the wrong reasons. I did just as good (or bad) against her as I did against my FLGS's hardcore MTG players. I lack experience playing magic, but I feel like victory has more to do with luck, money, and willngness to net-deck (or in this case pre-built deck) then skill.

>>50135910
yeah but he failed at using it

>>50135717
seriously guys, is this skred lad misplaying hard or is he making plays i don't understand? For example why didn't he attack with the thopter together with the stormbreath dragon which got terminated?

>>50135924
oh well he top-decked like a champ anyway

>>50135921
prebuilt suck and with experience you will be abe to create speical meme brews which don't cost much and are decent(eventhough of course still worse than netdecks).especially in standard.

Snow-Covered Mountains are going to go to $5 a piece.

It's amazing what this deck can do when you aren't skredding your own Boros Reckoner for ~tons of damage~

>>50135931
He is, it makes no sense for his to hold back the topther since he would still get killed by 1 snapcaster + bolt, maybe he was worried about an hasty creature but the grixis control guy has none.

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>>50135978
good thing I still have a shitloads of them from coldsnap, you know it might be time to build skred

Holy shit this is hilarious. You faggots think Blood Moon is even remotely fair? It's format warping.

I wish more mono-colored decks were viable. Seeing grixis getting wrecked by bloodmoon is awesome.

>Blood moon drops
>stare at your full hand
>hello darkness my old friend

>>50136012
he doesn't even have that excuse because he shoud know the enemy's list.

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#TeamSkred
BLOODMOONBOYS WW@?

>>50136061
Remember last year when Blood Moon was $60?
Get ready for buyouts

>He built the deck a couple decks ago, therefore has little to no practice with it
>Then he wins a GP
Magic is not a game of skill once deckbuilding is done. The game itself is largely a logical conclusion.

>>50136062
>Merkfolk
>Skred Red
>Mono-White prison

We're missing a mono green and mono black deck.

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I really, really hope Skred becomes meta because it's an auto-win matchup.

How the fuck did skred even get that far?

S K R E D R E D
K
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R
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>>50114472
Dies to Skred

and another fringe modern deck becomes expensive.

>>50136100
Blood Moon.

>>50135913
I got banned for saying MTG """"pros"""""

>>50136093
>Stompy
>8 Whack

>>50136093
monoG stompy is pretty popular and 8racks does esxist

>>50136093
>Mono-black
The Rack
>Mono-Green
Elves

>>50131685
skred wins another gp?

>>50131685
Decks become cheaper, games become faster, mana flood becomes a bit more prevalent, 3 colour mana bases become an actual liability, and Storm drops yet another tier.

>>50136093
Mono Green Stompy and Mono Black Devotion have all your meme needs covered, friendo.

>>50132530
Look if you can't afford inkmoth nexii then you shouldn't be playing the deck at all. They are only $30 each, don't be a pussy.

>>50132530
buy from the chinaman

Gonna try and build 8 whack goblins before Friday. Thankfully I already have 3 out of 4 Goblin Guides so that's pretty much most of the expensive part done.

>>50115137
2-1 with Infect, r1 lost to Kiln Fiend Thing because I lost the die and he had the nuts and g2 hand was a turn 4 kill with Inkmoth but he had Blood Moon I didn't draw out of. R2 killed Junk Evolution twice on turn 4 after losing g1 to flood. R3 killed RG Valakut on turn 4 twice, in g2 with Wild Defiance backup since he had bolt and Sudden Shock.
The deck's boring to play and your opponents rarely if ever don't get salty, trying to put Tron back together and hope for the meta to stop being a goldfish shitfest and slow down.

Hey everyone I'm getting back into modern after being gone since August, I went to college and plan on on finally going no to my fmn, my friends who go say it is fairly competitive, should I bring RDW or living end.

My other question is my friend wants to get into modern and has decided on a monoW prison deck, how do you all feel about that?

>>50136315
>Tron isn't a goldfish deck
What are you, stupid? Tron has zero way of playing a reactive gameplan. Modern has been this same shitfest ever since the Twin ban, and it's really not going to change.

4 Koth of the Hammer
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
3 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
3 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Eternal Scourge
3 Anger of the Gods
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Skred
1 Magma Jet
1 Pyrite Spellbomb
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Mind Stone
1 Batterskull
3 Blood Moon
20 Snow-Covered Mountain
2 Scrying Sheets


2 Shattering Spree
1 Grafdigger's Cage
4 Dragon's Claw
2 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Molten Rain
2 Ricochet Trap

Rev up those wallets

>>50136346
This is the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen. How the shitting dick nipples did he wade through rounds of Infect and Affinity with this?
>4 Mind Stone
SERIOUSLY WAS HE GETTING PEOPLE DQ'D OR WHAT

Skred, Jeskai Control, and Grixis Control in the top 8 is proof that the majority of the modern playerbase is full of hyper aggro babbies who don't know how to play the long game if their strategy fails

>>50136315
>Hates Goldfish decks
>Plays the most Goldfish of decks out there

Fuck even ad naus is more reactive.

>>50136394
>>50136382
infect is honestly for mongoloids

when you don't draw your infect creatures you fold to anything

>>50136339
Every card in Tron besides the engine is meant to be a reactive n-for-1 answer or stabilizer to what your opponent is doing even though they simultaneously win the game vs midrange. Karn reads "don't lose the game vs tarmogoyf or death's shadow" not "you win the game". Tron literally has no proactive plan beyond getting Tron online, you prevent your opponent from winning and then win with whatever's left.
>totally not control because there's no mana leak

>>50136382
skred is very good vs aggro, the problem is that it would have an hard time against everything else, it also has no card draw while being a control deck outside of cycling mindstone and the relics.

>>50136453
>In response to your Lilly I'll flash in Karn
Said no one ever. Tron is a combo deck where you pray to drop a T3 threat that's so huge the opponent can't answer it. No one plays Karn because it's some magical answer to midrange, people play Karn because he's the best thing you can do with 7 mana on T3.

>>50136346
looks fine to me
i also wondering about the ingot chewer wich against the chalice of void is way more effective.
also grafdigger's cage blown definatively away those deck like titan-breach &co

>>50136463
the matchup against bogles/aura is probably the worst

>>50136061

>tfw a few posts earlier people were wondering why blood moon isn't played more

>>50136516
True

>>50136518
Well it's a fundamentally fucked card. Without Blood Moon he wouldn't have reached the top 8 or even come close. Like my god it's so fucking broken but no one seems to want to admit it. 3 mana win the game is PRETTY GOOD I GUESS.

>>50136497
Karn isn't even a threat if you have any board presence (if you don't you're doing it wrong or playing the mirror) since whatever creature it doesn't exile just swings him out or he eats a bolt. Tron has no unanswerable threats since Emmy's unplayable without Eye but the basic philosophy of "don't lose" stayed the same. Combo decks win from the hand with A+B regardless of board state, Tron does neither. TKS and Smasher are the best 4 and 5 drops in the game yet Bant Eldrazi's not combo.

>>50136578
Stop playing decks with shit mana bases and start running basics then senpai

>>50136603
>Run more basics
>Get mana screwed

>Run less basics
>Lose to Blood Moon

You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. That is why Blood Moon is a problem card.

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>>50136625
>Getting mana screwed in mono color

>>50136382
did you even read the list?
how are infect and affinity supposed to ever connect through all the removal and blockers?

>>50136463
sheets and chandra also provide card advantage
you always post that it's weak because it's a control deck with no draw but it's really more of a midrange deck with a high curve. in a lot of games the plan is tempo rather than answering everything the opponent does and drowning them in card advantage. In mono red there are things we just can't answer so the alternative is to race. This is part of why koth and dragons are played. the haste is relevant

>>50136499
>ingot chewer
against chalice on 1 you have to pay R more with spree. the possibility of x-for-1 with spree is much better
cage doesn't interact with breach

>>50136516
skred worst matchups:
>bogles
>AN
>8 rack
>griselbrand
>turns
>U tron
>enchantment prison

>>50136334
dredge is a thing so gy hate will be around, what do you mean by RDW?

>>50136640
>Blood Moon exists in Modern, therefore I should play a mono coloured deck!

Not even Treasure Cruise was this format warping. If people actually started playing Blood Moon, it would be banned. Know why the GP winner's deck had a full 4 Dragon's Claw in the sideboard? Burn is the only deck that doesn't automatically lose to Blood Moon.

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>>50136680
>mfw I see a Burn player holding a bunch of Atarka's Commands and Boros Charms get Blood Mooned

>>50136700

even better

>it's his own blood moon

>>50136669
>cage doesn't interact with breach
yeah, srry i meant summoing trap
>against chalice on 1 you have to pay R more with spree
replicate doesn't interact with converted mana cost

>>50136822
The replicate copies have cmc 0, so the initial Shattering Spree could get countered by Chalice but the copies will actually go through and be able to destroy it and other things

>>50136822
>>50136853
>not knowing that chalice only counters spells that were cast, and that replicate puts copies on the stack without you casting them

>>50136853
then, okay. i missed that part

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>>50135558
>>50134805
>>50136102
>>50136037
C H A M P

>>50136012
>>50136084
>>50135933
kek he definitely misplayed many times.
his cards just happen to line up favorably against the opponent's

Holy Shit guys.

I've played Skred red for about a year now.

I own the deck.

I feel like this is what Cubs fans must have felt like a week ago.

>>50137283
It will probably get hated out quick. Best best would be to sell now then buyback when the hype dies down.

>>50137652
How do you easily hate out skred?

>>50136700
i did that to jameson perdue at the last modern iq i attended

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>>50136700

>jund player sees blood moon

>>50137678
Bogles.

>>50136676
Red Deck Wins = mono red burn, 1st modern deck I ever built, props should upgrade to a Anya burn style deck.

>"modern is a solved format"

>>50137798

>tfw Norin Sisters in top 8 scg classic

People always disregard that deck when it hard counters dredge and burn and has pretty good game vs Infect

>>50138377
Is this in regards to Skred?
Deck is old as shit, only difference is that Pyroclasm and Boros Reckoner aren't in the list that won. Hell old Chandra fills a similar role as new Chandra (and isn't even a straight downgrade, she's great at pinging wide creatures)

Although you're not wrong.

>>50138534
I'm just laughing because everyone was super worried about infect and dredge and all this shit running over the meta and the finals are grixis control and fucking skred
It's just funny because everyone everywhere bitches about the modern meta

>tfw leddit and mtgs are in total damage control right now

Eat dick

>>50138807
Skred is 4chan
Grixis Control is Reddit

>>50138698
you're kinda right but you could argue that the more solved the format, the more control decks will be able to metagame them

Newbie here, can anyone point me to a stream or video of Skred saving Modern?

>>50138865
The argument that I had heard was that the format had too many different decks you had to beat as control. You have to beat burn, dredge, infect, affinity, suicide zoo, and then all the other mid and late game decks.
I guess control players just don't want to play it without a silver bullet.

>>50137798
Ah, in that case definitely go with burn, sure being mono red you auto lose against leyline but your still better off doing that than bad dredge.

>>50137165
>his cards just happen to line up favorably against the opponent's
M T G

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>skred got top 8
>tfw literally the shitposting of modern won
I have never been so happy as to see skred actually make it.

Gonna need a primo jank deck, more janky the better.

>>50139475
Skred
wait...

>>50139475
heres your meme

>t1 land, pass
>t2 flagstones, boom
>t3 crucible of worlds
>t4 wrath of god
>t5 goblin darkwellers, flashback bust

i played this for a bit ama

>>50139475
belcher in modern is very janky

>tfw no modern in my my area and have to play online

>>50139745
modo warriors are unsung heroes

>>50139641
>Not T1 land, purphory nodes to kill their turn 1 creature without giving them a path to exile land

Step up sempai

>>50136625

>Getting Mana screwed in a format of Fetchlands

I don't get it.

Also Blood Moon doesn't do shit to Merfolk or Affinity.

>>50140392
Locking down man lands makes board wipes much better

>>50136625
>run two basics, no fetches in ad nauseam
>nobody even plays blood moon near me
>if they did I'd just run madcap experiments in the sideboard

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Reminder that 2 of this card were in a GP winning deck.

best Mardu/Naya/Sultai color decks in Modern (Besides Naya Burn/Zoo decks)

>>50140703
Along with 4 Mind Stone and 4 Relic mainboard
When you think about it though it makes perfect sense, it just gives you endless play against control decks which actually turned out to be important. I'm curious if other decks will start running a similar package.
I can see it in the Strangler deck actually
>inb4 it becomes an 8 dollar card

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>>50115137 4-0 cut to top 4 beat first opponent and split in the finals
I was on b/r zombies
b/r/u control wnt to game 3
jank went 2-0
b/g delerium went to game 3
four color tree/harmless offering went to game 3
in finials swept r/u spells
ended up splitting with b/g delirium
I was confident in winning the whole thing but decided to split so we could draft netted %30 in store credit not counting the $10 entry fee
over all a good night first time on b/r zombies
felt great would play r/b zombies again

how do I evaulate my starting hands + mulligans better as rg tron? I always try to start with a 7 card hand and turn 3 tron but I never know what's worth keeping 6 cards and below

Played Titanshift at the GP this weekend. I got to day 2 on 6-3, but was still a little on tilt about my matchups. I played 4 infect, 2 bushwhacker zoo, 2 affinity, and death's shadow aggro. Like literally every round was me fighting for my life against aggro and transforming post board. Every time I sat down the players next to me were playing Jund, Abzan, Jeskai or UW control and the room seemed pretty full of those, just salty that I couldn't sit across from a turn 1 raging ravine for the whole tournament. I played Jeskai Flash once and got a 10 minute 2-0 and then had to go back into the grinder. Anyone else have a story?

>>50140915
Congrats mate, I was pissed I couldn't go

>>50135921
No, Magic just has far more to it than "Let me shove all of these creatures with the same type and color into a deck and hope that Babby's First Synergy carries me". Not even shitting on tribal decks or their players, I play Merfolk, but if I had a fucking nickel for every shitter who walked into my LGS for a modern event with some shit budget tribal and then complained about how the game requires no skill I'd be a very rich man.

>>50135921
You are very wrong about that and are drawing your conclusion off of a lack of experience and a bad showing at one tournament with budget deck. Skilled players with well-tuned and thought out (not necessarily the most expensive) decks and a little luck win tournaments.

>>50140758
>b/g delerium went to game 3
Sounds hella jank, no reason to not just play the rock then and alter that or go sultai for better graveyard shennanigans

>>50141202

Why would he need to go Sultai? R/B Zombies still plays Prized Amalgam. It just never casts it ala Dredge style

>>50140914
You generally keep turn 3 tron hands g1 in the blind or if you mull to 6 or 5 hands that have turn 4 tron and any card selection or a sweeper, if your 4 has any land you keep it. Infect and Burn are basically the only matchups where turn 3 tron without sideboard bullets is worthless so try to find your sudden shocks, feed the clans etc. Also hands with 2 tron pieces but no eggs or maps are generally mulls since you get less draws and turn 4-5 tron at best if you don't draw it off the top which is unlikely.

What is the most fun aggro deck

>>50140915
>at 10 life
>playing grixis against infect
>he's on two nobles, two forests and a pendelhaven with one card in hand
>i have mana leak plus keranos in hand and tasigur on board. decide to close the game out, attack put him to 3 and slam keranos with a scryed lightning bolt on top
>he untaps, draws, krosa, krosa, move to combat, trigger, trigger you take 10 gg

>>50142034
>punished for misplay
Justice.

>>50142034
leaving tasigur untapped and attacking next turn would have been just as fast of a kill if he didn't have it and there are dozens of potential hands that kill you on 10 life. If you blocked he needed become immense + distortion strike exactly

git gud

>>50142002

Norin sisters, elves, dredge. Any aggro deck that has a combo-like engine is fun

>>50142268
>dredge
>fun
You're not even playing with the deck but just hoping on autopilot to flip a critical mass of goodies on turns 1 and 2 and shooting a hugefuck conflagrate on turn 3.

>>50142403

Its fun in the sense that it its something completely different. When the cogs go together and the engine starts running, you cant deny how exciting it gets. The same can be said for most combo decks anyway

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>>50138503

The hero Modern needs but not what it deserves.

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>tfw noone wants Ancestral Vision and Foil Ishkanah at my "LGS"
>Can't ship it either because of all the extra costs

>>50138503
How do you figure a lifegain deck with no fliers has game vs Infect?

>>50142752
With bolt and path

>>50142869
LOL

>>50141083

I remember that one shaman tribal shitposter a few threads ago. That summarize pretty well all the people "magic is pay to win, why my rat tribal can't win against jund?!".

>>50142916
But shaman is a nice deck

As nice as skred.
I will laught at you when it will win a GP

>>50142002
I think Dredge is fun.

>>50142749
>Ishkanah
>Nobody want shit card.
I don't really understand your complaint.

>>50142887

Sudden shock, genius

>>50142525
>>50142869
The reason why (reasonable) people hate on things like (Norin) Sisters is because it's just another deck that dumps its hand. It has nothing to do with memery or whatever.

And if you're going to dump your hand, you might as well play the decks that dump their hands better, like Burn, Infect, and Affinity. And if you want to leverage a removal heavy deck with Path and Bolts you would probably have more success gravitating towards something like a URx control deck or Jund/Abzan.

You take a deck like Sisters and with Norin you have 12 fucking cards that are just fucking worthless without each other - even more worthless than Affinity's dead draws. That makes just for a shit sideboarding experience. Your deck is a one-trick pony and that's not really what anybody is trying to do here; the deck has even less lines of play than Burn and that's fucking depressing when you think about it. The point is that the deck just can't pivot EVER and that's the most damning part of it; while other decks like Eggs and Ad Naus can't pivot either they're also not completely dogshit built around a fragile engine.

Yes, the deck shows itself sometimes. And occasionally it places somewhere like in this SCG open. But every ugly dog has its day.

I look at the Skred deck that placed recently and I can look at it and say, "Yeah, that's fine, it attacks things, gets shit done, plays solid cards." You can't say the same about Norin Sisters where there's this massive 12-card tumor that really hints you can lose simply by drawing the wrong half of your deck.

>>50138818
>Skred is a meme deck that only won through the strength of one incredibly broken card locking your opponent out of the game
>Grixis control is actually a cool deck that interacts with the opponent
I don't see how your analogy fits

>>50140914
As the tron player you should probably kill yourself for including Urza lands in your deck at all

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>>50143025
>Incredibly broken card

>>50143001

Yes, but you have the novelty of playing the mtg equivalent of Dan Hibiki and be able to play a game of trigger hell while confusing the ever living fuck out of opponents who dont know the matchup.

Besides, if I ever want to win I would just play something like Jund. You play norin sisters because its fun and different, not to mention having access to 2 of moderns most used removal, as well as stony silence, RIP and Blood Moon in the same deck. Theres always the fun factor of rooting for the underdog as a spectator as well. People dont get hyped for nothing if they see a deck like that do well in top 8s of major events.

People who hate decks like Norin Sisters arent exactly unreasonable, but I doubt they're fun at parties.

>>50143079
>If I post a smug anime picture it disproves the text I quoted

>>50143025
>Incredibly broken card
>as if nobody could play around
>as if it could'nt be a dead card

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>>50143112
>This card is so incredibly busted only basic lands can defeat it!

>>50143001

You had me until you mentioned eggs ever being good.

>>50143129
>Locking your opponent out of the game on turn 3 is way more fair and interactive than potentially winning the game on turn 4, honest! I'm glad they banned splinter twin

>>50143025
>won through the strength of one incredibly broken card
>m..muh greedy 3c manabase... W... who dares to interact with it.

Modern needs wasteland.

>>50143173
>Greedy
What does this mean? No seriously what is a "greedy" mana base? Are people so wrong to want to be able to cast all their spells? Is that greedy? Blood moon doesn't punish greedy mana bases, blood moon punishes people who want to play the game

>>50143095
>confusing the ever living fuck out of opponents who dont know the matchup
As a person who has been on the confusing and losing side of that deck the eye-rolling is not about the awkwardness of a new experience. And I'm not attacking what you're saying here.

It's the fact that the person sitting across from you doesn't acknowledge that the deck is pretty much garbage - which has been 100% of the time I've played against the deck. And that's the issue. You can play whatever you want, you can have as much fun as you want, but one thing we have to be honest about is that the deck is trash.

I play trash like 5-color Gifts. It's fun but I don't claim for a second that it isn't completely shit.

My problem in Magic is that people say things like, "It Top 8'd" as if that ONE moment gives legitimacy to a deck's prowess. It's like saying you dominated a Poker/Casino night without mentioning you just got really lucky. Yes, it's nice seeing the the underdog get there but that's really only the case when the underdog deserves it. In reality, the underdog getting there through their own competence only happens in movies. I want to see people just be honest about things and say, "Yeah, I luck sacked my way to victory" instead of immediately jerking off recklessly and I feel that's why Magic is so fucking terrible because so many people takes these false positives and run with them (like always exclaiming that they hope to open an Expedition/Invention; it's just as annoying as some guy saying all the time, "I hope I win the lottery").

>>50143189
>I should be able to run 3 colors at absolutely no disadvantage
lets just remove lands why not then?

>>50143189
>I can't play decks with less than 3 colors !!
The post

>>50143214
>Lifeloss from fetches and shocks aren't a real disadvantage in a meta game filled with hyper aggressive decks
This is how retarded you sound

>>50143189

>No seriously what is a "greedy" mana base?

8-12 fetches, loads of nonbasics, up to 4 basic lands. You welcome.

>>50143346
I know that's what you fucking retards think of as greedy but why is it greedy? Using the tools available to you to make a manabase that makes your deck work isn't "greedy." it's good deck building.

>>50143331
Yeah, that is a disadvantage. And now that I think about it, are people so wrong to want to be able to cast all their spells? Is that greedy? It's just not fair these 3 color decks have to lose life just to play their spells, when will wizards remove lands? Being able to lose because you built a mana base of only non-basics is just silly.

>>50143379
>build a deck of many of X type of cards
>lose to deck with card that beats X type
>claim you're a good deck builder and said card is just inherently unfair

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>>50143379

Yes it is, but you have to man the fuck up and face the possible consequences of running greedy manabase like Blood Moon or wasteland (wishful thinking) ruining your day.

Greedy manabase comes with a price, that's why it's greedy.

Even everyone's favourite drug dealer recognizes the concept of greedy manabase.

>>50143426
>Greedy manabase comes with a price
THE LIFE LOSS

>>50143405
The fucking GP-winning deck is a prime example of how one card can just win you games even if the rest of your deck is a tier-3 pile. If you can;t see that then I don't know what to tell you.

>>50143430

>implying bolt to the face is a huge price to pay for silky smooth 3 colour manabase T2

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Once upon a time having multiple colors in your deck opened up the amount of options available to it (naturally, because we're adding more colors to the pool of available cards and color pie strategies), while putting you at a disadvantage in the reliability of casting all your cards because you may miss an on color land drop here or there.

Dual lands existed but were limited in scope and had a bunch of downsides (past the true duals) to help balance them out.

And then fetchlands became a thing and now everyone can play 3 and 4 color goodstuff without punishment until big bad meanie plays a card that undercuts my primary strategy by attacking its (flimsily held together) resource management that I've taken for granted for years of magic's history.

>>50143430
and blood moon. Why do you think having just 1 disadvantage makes everything ok? Artifact decks are restricted to playing mostly artifact decks, should we ban stony silence because it already has a disadvantage?

>>50143446
And why is this unfair? If everyone is running 3 color mana bases without thinking, why shouldn't 'fuck 3 color decks' the card do well?
Metas that are weak to specific cards deserve to get shit on by those cards. The people that can correctly predict the meta, and bring the best deck for that meta, deserve to be rewarded for that.

Standard player trying to make the jump into modern, what kind of budget infect deck can I get for 200$?
Is Mono Black or Green infect viable?

>>50143707
Infect is either monogreen or splashes U for Blighted Agent. Generally the plan is to get a Glistener Elf, Blighted Agent, or Inkmoth Nexus into play and pumping/protecting it with cards like Become Immense and Blossoming Defense.

>>50143707
There is a black green infect deck that uses Phyrexian crusader but idk if it's sub $200

>>50141583
I mean his opponent playing black green delerium should go sultai or the rock, not the zombies player.

>>50143481
I would love to have price of progress in modern all these 3c babbies that cry about blood moon when they just need to fucking side in enchatement hate is hilarious

>>50144300
I would hate it
I don't want to die when I just sided in enchantment removal and bounce

>>50136594
Tron's a fucking ramp midrange deck, you mong. Unless you're going to start calling Gr devotion a fucking control deck.

>>50143379
If your fucking decks want all the best cards from all the colors that is greedy you imbecile.

>>50143756
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-11-16-gu-budget-infect/
Maybe something like this? Not really sold on the Groundswells without fetches, but Old Krosa gets out of my budget. Should I cut out on something else, maybe the Pendelhavens?

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I think back to basics and contagion should go into modern

>tfw found a Damnation that I thought I lost now to find my MIA Jace tms

>>50140562
I'm noob, I don't see how madcap would allow for win in ad nau against bloodmoon? What u get?

>>50142749
I'll take your foil Ish. :3

>>50144954
you bring in madcap experiments and a
Platinum Emperion. Most bloodmoon decks don't pack catch all removal. Skred could probably still skred it though.

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>All these people defending anti-fun uninteractive cards in modern and advocating for more

>>50144995
In game 2 they almost certainly cut down on skreds since normally ad nauseam 0-1 creatures in your 75 that you actually cast

>>50144996
Pretty sure the guy advocating for back to basics in modern is attempting to make fun of people who say bloodmoon is ok. They're on your side, don't blame us.

>>50145068
>>50144996
If blood moon was banned and then a red form of back to basics was printed to replace it, I think that'd be much healthier for modern than either blood moon or back to basics. It's okay to have mana hate, but you need to walk a fragility of good the and stripemine