Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>50104327
Forgot the old thread >>50104327

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>>50112540
I like my Thousand Sons - raw with butter.

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>>50112555

>>50112320
Agreed.

'course, with all the other primarchs going up like twelve size categories, we can't have magnus lagging behind.

>>50112563
Just noticed the Contemptor on the base.

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>>50111967
What is this? A pict capture for grots?

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>>50112540
Bearsor meme needs to DIEEEE

>>50112708
All memes must die. Some must die faster than others.

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>bird skulls & beaks on chestplate
>bird skulls & beaks on thigh plates
>bird skulls & beaks on shin guards
>bird skull design on shoulder guard
We get it already, he's a servant of tzeentch. Holy shit.

>>50112746
Does that make the Imperium Tzeentch for putting birds in their iconography all over the place?

>>50112746
He's supposed to be a dual kit with a Tzeetch big bird daemon.

>>50112766
I guess I can wait a few more months with putting my Space Wolves Terminators together.

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>>50112708
What's wrong with the Bearversor?

>>50112788
Not him, but I'm not sure it was ever funny because I missed the thread it was invented in.

>>50112788
I just don't see how it's horus heresy relevant.

>>50112746
Is that a Wraithknight in the foreground?

How fucking big is that guy...?

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>>50112850
It's on the shelf below. Hopefully this will give a slightly better perspective.

>>50112860
Thank you. I nearly shat a brick.

>>50112860
The smaller one is for Epic right?

>>50112778
I hope not. I would hate for the Changer of Ways to have that many gains.

>>50112884
There's a bigger difference in scale than that.

>>50112540
Are Imperial Cults still allowed in the current 30k setup? I made a bitchin Imperial Cults army with a buncha mutant rat men that all have fearless and rending, and ogryns with assault AP3 heavy bolters. I wana use it, but I dont know if its still legal. Have they updated/replaced the book that Imperial Cults comes from?

>>50112901
Ever seen the old LoC model? The muscled LoC? Tzeentch has gains.

>>50112884
Nah, it's apparently a test model to try out colour schemes or something.

>>50112914
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2Ffz1OuHK%2Fcrusade-imperialis-army-lists.pdf.html
It's right there, in the OP.
Read it next time.

>>50112916
I just prefer them to be more gaunt.

>>50112923
Cool, just making sure that it was still around. Seen any cool IC lists lately? I run two, one with my rending-fearless "rat men of the computer planet" and another thats nothing but low rent power armor supporting lemens.

>>50112936
>Seen any cool IC lists lately?
Nope, would love to see yours though.

>>50112933
This. If all four greater daemons end up with mad warp gains it'll look shit. Each having a distinctive shape is more interesting.
>Bloodthirster: stacked as fuck, just a beefcake
>KOS: muscular, but graceful/sinuous. More male ballet dancer than /fit/.
>LOC: lean and gangly
>GUO: waddling fat fuck

>>50112944
Its the only thing that makes 30k IMO.

Everybody is playing deep-meta power armor, then you bust down to door and go "YEEEEEEAH, RAT MEN OF THE COMPUTER PLANET!" and they have to fight a pitched battle against ~200 models at 1000pts running interference for a massive powerbase with 3 wound T5 models with heavy bolters of DOOM and shields for a 4++. Its a hoot. It actually feels like fun, rather than doing the bullshit dance of deathstars, powerunits, and formations. Its literally the only way I can play anything GW related.

>>50112980
>tfw you will never play a game of 100 bolter marines behind a wall desperately trying to hold off 500 rat dudes.

>>50113008
Well, if you live in NC, we can set it up. Whats really fun about it is that I win about as often as I lose, but since my army has +6 armor and rending, we both just keep fighting right up until the end. The bitter fucking end.

>>50113021
What legion is your usual opponent?

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BEHOLD

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>>50113038
Almost good enough.

>>50113062
it's a contemptor

>>50113031
All sorts. I have great fun playing against a WE dude, and I also frequently play against...hm. Fists, Ultras, and Ravens...I think. They all kinda look the same to me anymore! Ill freely admit that Ultras give me the most trouble. Never really thought about why, but they do.

>>50112980
You keep saying "RAT MEN OF THE COMPUTER PLANET" and it makes me wanna see yo models.

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>>50113062
Doesn't look it.

>>50113086
Ive actually got them all packed up for the winter, let me see if I can find some old pics. I basically used Ork models, but put Skaven plague monk heads on them and some mutant arms. I know it sounds dumb, but it makes a really nice "mutant thing that just wants to die" look. Hold on.

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>>50113100
Meant to link to >>50113070
But more Custode Termies.

>>50113100
Look athe knee joint. Also that thing is huge.

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>>50113086
>>50113107
Ill dump a few. I had these guys out for some test painting on some new clan markings. You get the idea. I also have smaller guys for the ones that are only S4, they're basically just skaven with pistols and a few mutant arms thrown on here and there. Mixing Skaven and DE parts actually makes some fairly quick space skaven as long as you dont go overboard.

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>>50113086
>He doesn't have a White Scars army full of micemen

>>50113038
Nice Custodes Dreadnought.

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>>50113133
Here's a brood leader, his stats are literally the same, but I THINK he gets +1 strength or something. Actually, now that I think of it, he may just be there to tie up heroes in a challenge.

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>>50113128
Well I'll be darned it is a Custodenought.
>that thing is huge
Custodes are larger than marines and thus require bigger noughts to hold their bodies.

>>50113100
>>50113117
It's a contemptor, you're retarded. DO you not see all the completely characteristic points of anatomy?

Like, I realize autistics usually have facial recognition problems, but this is ridiculous.

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>>50113144
I think this may be the last one I have banging around. The rest are locked in a trunk for the winter.

>>50113154
I didn't see the knee joint until now, Anon. Is that hard to believe?

>>50113164
...YES, actually.

>>50113164
I didn't see it at a first glance either.

>>50113175
I've been sick all week and my vision is still a little blurry, Anon.

>>50113155
>>50113144
>>50113133
These are pretty awesome, how many are painted?

Just, the way you talk about 30k/40k being a shitshow and this is the only way you can stand to play it... would kind of come off as an asshole sort of attitude if you're forcing people to play against hordes and hordes of unpainted models.

>>50113194
Ive got 200 of them painted, I do have a few things unpainted but I play most of that shit on boards in people's homes.

Suns-out Guns-out dude. Gotta bring your best painted models. I really, honestly would get you some better looking stuff, but its all in a trunk being used as a foot for a 100 gallon terrarium right now.

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>Reposting because noreplies

How good are Vorax at killing off terminator deathstars? I'm considering getting a praevian+6 Vorax for the jump from 2k to 2.5k. Most people are beginning to get primarchs and putting them with their termies in their preferred delivery method, which is generally bad news for my cover-hugging IH gunline. When looking through counter-assault units, i read about the vorax and loved the idea of bigass freaky predator bug-bots coming to fuck you up. I would prefer not to buy my own primarch, as Ferrus's death is kind of a downer on my desire to use him, and i really, really want to get one of the Legion superheavies eventually instead.

>>50113511
Just paint Ferrus as all ethereally like and say all of the head jokes and the Emperor's love allowed Ferrus's spirit to come back to get vengance.

>>50113573
Well, i could have ferrus and get into primarch deathmatches all i want, or i could take vorax/castellax/whatever and also take a goddamn glaive, which is way cooler than that headless failure of a primarch anyway

>>50113592
Consider the following: a ghost Primarch beating things to death with his own ghost head or robots. The glaive is nice though.

>>50113615
okay, the though of Ferrus haunting his brothers while ineptly trying to hide his identity by wearing ghostly plate armour is hilarious, especailly if he fucks it up by losing his temper and beating things to death with his helmet-equipped head
Still not as cool as the Glaive

>>50113651
>okay, the though of Ferrus haunting his brothers while ineptly trying to hide his identity by wearing ghostly plate armour is hilarious, especailly if he fucks it up by losing his temper and beating things to death with his helmet-equipped head
We need some art of that. Drawfags, you in here?
>Glaive
You might just want to get the glaive at this point. I can't convince you not to get it.

I want to convert the Chaplain from BaC into a librarian for my 1ksons...
On a scale from zero to heresy how bad would it be if I give him the head of a 40k rubric marine?

Also, force sword, axe or staff? I was thinking about a persian style sword, like the wfb tomb kings had.

>>50113668
The glaive is already decided on as my christmas present for myself. I'm asking if anyones got experience using Vorax praevians as a counter-assault unit, since i'm absurdly vulnerable to termie deathstars

>>50113696
>I was thinking of [most aesthetic option]
Yes. That one.

Are there seminars and shit today?

>>50113038
What if it's a Custodes beep boop?

I have literally no idea what's good in this game. I've never even played 40k. Can someone help me figure out how the hell to make a fluffy Imperial Fists list?

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>>50113149
Not if they've been ripped apart properly.

>>50113816
Well you're a WE and you need Nails to help you rip and tear.

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>>50112809
>>50112796
I don't quite remember why we were talking about weaponized animals, but bears are scary. And Scoria claimed the patent for it long ago. And in the future in 40k he hungers for Tau blood.
>>50113038
Is that a Contemptor and his giant sword has twin Heavy Flamers on the hilt? How cute, he wants to emulate Emprah's Burning Blade

>>50113893
To further home that the Bearversor is a Prizzly bear in space. He only likes being called a Grolar Bear if it's Scoria or his mother calling him that.

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>>50113829
The Cerberus Insurrection and the harvest of skulls came about before Angron.
Besides, I'm not a WE. I'm one of many.

>>50113511
I was asleep, anon.
>How good are Vorax at killing off terminator deathstars?
Darn fucking good. Do the math as any good cogboi should.
For 390pts, aka a bit more than the Spartan, you get Eighteen Fearless T6 wounds with 24 attacks that wound marines on a 2+ and ignore armour at I4 (I5 for Cybernetica), aka 5 dead Cataphractii before any power fist swings. That's not taking the opening salvo previous to the charge. And they have Scout and Fleet to reduce their need for transportation.
Now take the costs into account:
10 PFist termies (400pts) + Flare-Shielded Armoured-Ceramite Dozer bladed Spartan (375pts) = 755pts
You can bring about 12 Vorax for that price, which would both kill a Primarch's terminator retinue (1W) and tarpit him with Fearless wounds. Idk you tell me.

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>>50113668
I'm not understanding that description.

>>50114049
Thats what i was thinking, i was going to put a cheap Praevian in with them and let them deal with nasty, nasty things coming at me. I'm kinda wary of their 4+, which gives every heavy bolter, autocannon and heavy flamer a reason to exist.

Is it worth it to give the Vorax poisoned ammo for the chance to chip off wounds from solo primarchs theres one guy who runs corvus fucking corax solo, if i can manage to kill him with rotor cannons i'd die of laughter

>>50114171
Combined with the Praevian's PE, I guess. Their rotor guns pretty much are non-existent until poison rounds are bought. And a single model with the Scout rule lets the entire unit outflank, reducing the time of exposure to enemy dakka.

>>50114286
I'm planning on using it as a counter-assault unit for when people drop a Kharybdis full of termies/spartans full of Perturabo in my lines and such, so scouting/outflanking isnt a major dealio for me.

>>50114329
Aaa. You said you're IH, right? Legion inductees wil increase your niggas' T by one. Castellax will be T8 W4 3+/5++.
And they can let loose up to 5 S6 AP2 attacks on the charge too (more than Vorax actually) without giving up their shooting (Mauler cannon included, can be swapped for a Multimelta for free).
They cost more, but they'd be able to tank missile launchers using sheer toughness alone, meaning an enemy marine with a MLauncher averages to 0.22 wounds to them. I mean you seemed concerned about endurance and stuff.

>>50114463
True, i just love the whole bug-predator thing the Vorax have going, but the Castellax are probably better. The frag nades and poison rotor cannons make them 80 PPM, while being much more fragile simply due to worse armour and no invuln. I'll think on it for a while before making purchases, both models are great which makes it hard.

>>50114554
If youre using the with a Praevian, you could use his frag grenades instead. Just refuse challenges, that's what the Fearless PE Vorax monsters are there for.

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Another marine for my Bitter People! As always, base needs to fty then wash and varnish so don't worry about that.

How is the rust effect attempted on the base metal? I feel like the typhus Corrosion wasn't thick enough.

He was meant to be facing the other way, but the only way he could do so and not be off center was tp make him hide his kneed pad behind the wall, and I'm too proud of the stripes to hide them behind a wall!
Number 7 here, 3 more and I'll have my first squad done!

>>50114583
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought intiative penalites from lacking grenades is model-by-model, not a unit-wide thing.

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>>50114611
And here's a picture of said wall.

>>50114645
>Standing in front of the wall
But why.

>>50114663
My first plan was to make him look sort of like he was going over or defending it, but as I said, it woild hide his markings and fuck that. I'm not exactly happy with the overall look of the wall either, too rickety, so i still have plenty of progress to do. Kinda bummed to not have thought of adding stuff onto the bases of the others though, they look a bit empty in comparison.

>>50114611
If you're so proud of the stripes then why didn't you include them in the picture?

>>50114686
I know I should have, but I'm more concerned about the wall and the rust effect at the moment.

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>>50114628
Oh, I think you're right it's per model.
>>50114611
He looks perturbed, anon. What did you do to him?

>>50114734
He looked at his unfinished base.

>>50114734
He looks more like he's swishing his head over his shoulder like in a hair-care advert to me.
>L'egionnaire - because you're worth it.

>>50114766
Someone put a Thor-tier mane on the poor fucker.

I'm finally settled on a legion.
However, regarding the paint scheme; I'm not fond of any schemes done with paintbrush I've seen so far, nor do I enjoy spending hours on single models. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy painting by itself.
So, should I invest in an airbrush? It seems it speeds up the painting process significantly and it allows to get the exact shades without too much trouble or time spent.

>>50114868
To add up, the legion of choice it XX, just in case questions about the paint scheme issues arise.

>>50114734
Shit I just realised I forgot a highlight in his eyes with that picture.
Oh well, I'll get back to it later, I've cleaned my desk already.

>>50114868
Yes. An airbrush is definitely a useful tool for 30k, even more so with AL.

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Would it be better to run in a drop comtemptor with two ddcw melta guns or grav guns?

>>50114898
Maybe grav guns, so it can pin stuff in place so it can either assault them or run away easier?

>>50114896
Thanks, I'm on the fence purely on the financial basis as the current state is not so good, but that's another thing.
I'll do my own research further on, but if anyone knows of paints other than Vallejo, Tamiya and FW airbrush line, I'd be grateful.

>>50114842
I would like to apologise to art, Perty and the anon who painted this dude.

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>>50114989
Alright, here we go again.

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>>50115004

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>>50115034
>Not hair made out of tubes
I still like it, though.

>>50115299
he reminds me of a car battery

>>50115299
I am most definitely hiding that ugly mug with a helmet if end up buying Perty.

>>50115299
I like the older portrait better. It was more fun.

>>50115299

What's the point of having big ass power cables going into your mouth

>>50115427
That's his jaw

>>50115449

The bottom one is his jaw but the one above that is clearly going through his cheek, it's too far forward to be his upper rear jaw

>Alan Bligh confirmed that the next Black Book after Inferno will have Blood Angels and Dark Angels in it!

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>>50115362
>Implying any kind of resin faces aren't better off hidden behind a helmet
Not wearinng a helmet in your space suit is dumb anyways. That you can survive boxing in the void doesn't means you should.
>>50115427
I really don't know, anon. It's so he can chew on some heresy on the go?

>>50115470
With inferno coming soon, that'll be summer 2017, right?

R-right?

>>50115470
Calling it now, 2 pictures of Dark Angel marines and no support.

Screencap this post.

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>>50115501
Hope is the first step down the road to dissapointment, anon.

>>50115490
Holy shit, Perturabo is godly.

>>50115531
>Screencap this post.
Make me.

>>50115531
What do you mean by no support, anon?

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>>50115490
Full helmet at all times master race.

>>50115427
It feeds the taste of bitterness directly into his mouth all hours of the day.

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>>50115299
>not real manly hair

>>50115572
10/10 peek Fabio tier Scandinavian handsomeness. Lorgar and Horus is not wanted anymore.

>>50115572
his teeth make the expression look retarded

>HURR DURR

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>>50115572
>not rocking power goldilocks

>>50115614
>not wearing a cod piece so your balls hang around freely

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>>50115572
That's a handsome face! It'd be terrible if someone were to feed him a free chainaxe.

>>50115572
Got to admit, Russ is one sexy fucker.

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>>50115614
>having balls so big they shape your power armour

>>50115564
No RoW, no characters, no units, no updates to the Legion rules.

At best we'll get help with badges and symbols.

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>>50115664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5A55eWbiBI

>>50115597
>>50115613
>>50115614
>>50115648
>>50115659
>russposting makes guaranteed responses
On a serious note, his artwork might be the best primarch depiction so far.

>>50115695
Then that's not "having DA and BA in it" means, unless it's trolling. Which might be the case, as you say.

>>50115613
It's a wolf snarl. It gives him a primal warface. IT has much more dignity than Fulgrim's portrait that has his warface making him look like a monkey.

>>50115726
they look like fake teeth

>>50115754
They are not human looking teeth. They are canine teeth like everyone else developes in his legion.

>>50115710
Well I replied because he's sexy that's it. Not because of some meme that idiots like to throw around to the detriment of the quality of the thread.

>>50115778
I bet his speech would sound retarded with those teeth

>>50115572
>scarred brow
I though Primarchs had some kind of healing factor, their skin mostly pristine?
>>50115787
:(((
Ok, I guess I cannot reply for dumb reasons like memes and should limit myself to important stuff like rating a primarch's okccupid score or something.

>>50115710
He does have solid aesthetics. Even if his model is not as dynamic as some other primarchs, it doesn't look silly or overdesigned in any way. FW Russ has 10/10 dignity.

>>50115787
Also, I'm half of the six replies, and the only one who used images and commented anything beyond "Sexy!/Nah"

>>50115835
Magnus, please.

>>50115837
>I though Primarchs had some kind of healing factor, their skin mostly pristine?
Probably some poisoned/alchemical wound, to show that he was a slayer of great beasts. Or the spot is where the Emperor punched him.
Jaghatai had to renew his scar every once in a while.

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>>50115936
>Or the spot is where the Emperor punched him
Whoopsie

>>50113133
holy shit nigger ! That thing is ugly as fuck you should gouge your face and hands with a broken mirror it's that bad.
Not even painted.

>Are you a dirty WAAC pleb?

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Do we have more variations of this?

>>50116143

There's a Xana version.

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>>50116143
Yes we do

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More snippets from the open day.

What does "scalable" psychic powers mean? Is that where you can pick how many warp charges to use before casting?

>>50116341
That, or the power depends on the mastery level of the caster or something ?

>>50116341
It probably means that Ahriman and other big guys will cast the same powers as random mook squads, but stronger. Like, a full 20 man tactical squad can bend a spoon but a Praetor will bend it into another dimension filled with pain.

>>50116341
>>50116386
Or their power / effect depends on the points total on the game.

>>50115837
Wasn't Angron's face described as a patchwork of scars?

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>>50116341
>no Squats evermore

Why even get out of the bed in the morning?

>>50116341
No squats?
>let it end now

>>50116407
I'm not sure, but his Rope certainly was a big scar.

>>50116399
more likely to be unit size/number of models. Like a psychic choir.
Doesn't this kind of thing already exist with librarian units?

>>50116407
Yes, and I think he has replacement teeth? But that' because the Nails are a constant wound.
He can't even sleep.

>>50116341
Maybe it's like pink horrors, where their mastery level increases as the squad size does, or something? Maybe the larger the game, the more units, or whatever, you can make more powerful psykers. Hell, maybe psyker praetors?

>>50116391
A 20 man tactical squad can bend a spoon, a Praetor can bend two spoons, and a ten man tactical squad can teleport away.

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Was the imperial aquila around during the HH? I know it has something to do with Mars so I assumed it predated when shit went down.

>>50116341
>CUSTODES ARE OLDER THAN THUNDER WARRIORS
To be honest I never stopped to think about their origins, but this'd mean they even predate the Primarchs themselves? And Valdor will be getting rules

>>50116509

Thousand Sons not having psyker praetors is against the fluff. Their command structure was based off who had the biggest psykic dick.

>>50116490
I think you mean a unit of Eldar Warlocks, who get something similiar to brotherhood of psykers but waaaay better. Because Eldar ofcourse.
>fucking space elves

Unit size mattering for the psychic power wouldn't be right, because not all Thousand Sons were psykers or gifted enough to do much with it.

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>>50116523
>Was the imperial aquila around during the HH?
Yes. For the last time yes.

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>>50116523
No, of course not. Ignore all examples of aquila on non-EC units, those are clearly mistakes.

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>>50116341
At least Mantic games has produced some decent Squats. Not sure what army ruleset to use them for, though.

>>50116493
Primarch never slept though.
>Omegon woke.
>He had never slept, had never dreamed, or felt the tug of mortal fatigue in all the days of his existence. Yet here he was, waking from black oblivion, the cold deck of the ship beneath him, the darkness of his arming chamber close about him.

>>50116523
The "Doppel-adler" was adopted post-Martian Compact, so it definitely was, and it was first seen used by unnamed Blackshield forces loyal to the Emperor, and later on among the loyalist legions.

>>50116578
>>50116603
>zoz

Not on armors in mean like craters n shit morons

>>50116513
A veteran sergant can bend a spoon, a terminator sergant can bend two spoons, a centurion can bend five spoons in eight different dimensions and a praetor can bend space and time around each spoon in such a way that it appears bend when it actually isn't.

>>50116523
Upon the alliance with the priesthood of Mars the imperial eagle got updated to have two heads, to represent the union between Terra and Mars

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>>50116549
>all TS Characters can buy a mastery level for 25pts.
>all Independent Characters can buy a second mastery level for an additional 25pts.
>librarian can buy a 3rd mastery level for an extra 25pts.
>praetor can buy total of 4 mastery levels for 25pts. a pop

Do you hear the voices too?

>>50116623
>Munitorum Sanctioned crater, marked by the Imperial seal as property of the Emperor of Mankind
>such craters can be found anywhere where official Munitorum ordnances are being deployed
>see your local Munitorum office for listings of ordnance deployment zones
>be happy and productive

>>50116665
That seems a likely solution. Also maybe forcing Praetors to buy atleast 2 levels and having the Warlord forced to be the highest mastery level character.

>>50116656
I think that interpretation came later. In another one the one with the eye looks into the past while the blind head looks into the unseen future. And according to another interpretation the blind head symbolizes the Astra Telepathica and their blind astropaths.

>>50112555

>Going to sacrifice himself with last effort hand grenade

Based

>>50116531
Well , thats not new..right?
After all he planned and worked everything out in his secret himalayan mountain labs before he began to kick shit.

>>50116738
Going by the fluff it wont take.

>>50116704
>Magnus lets LA of the Thousand Sons harness warp charges on a 3+ and/or deny the witch on anything, even blessings on a 4+, or better.

I don't know how things will work. I guess it'll depend on if magnus is a character that's strong on his own, or a primarch that buffs his army. If he does buff, I expect it to do with psychic phase stuff.

>>50116704
And having a restriction of at least one librarian/psychic praetor like the WB's Chaplain/Centurion restriction.
>>50116744
Yeah He did, but I thought all marine genecrafting came AFTER the Thunder Warriors, the techniques refined after them. Custodes are really something else.

>>50116665
>>50116704
Reminds me of old warhamms fantasy Tzeentch rules.

I love it.

>Maybe tac squads just add psychic dice to the pool like old mark of tzeentch.

>>50116785
Or you get 1 per unit or 10 models or something.

>>50116784
Shit was not beligerant caucasian guy, still had the name from annoying him.

I believe he made the Custards first, before zhe Primeapes.

He had to have bodyguards and had to see how far he could go individually crafting.

The hard part was making it mass applicable and reproducable, like it allways is.

>>50116341
>Krole
Who?

>>50116820
9 is the number of Tzeentch, though.

>>50116840
Sisters of Silence commander i think.
Mention in visions

>>50116843
They ain't Tzeentch yet.

>>50116341
Anything about Jorin Bloodhowl and the 13th Company?

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>>50116840
The one with the big sword.

>>50116821
I'm aware you weren't him, and I still treated you like a regular person. I give little fucks about who you are or aren't, m8, and no-one should ask a medal because of it.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that it's strange Emps was able to handcraft pristine post-humans before being able to mass produce power men. I think the later is easier. It's like learning how to mass produce muskets from the knowledge you gained by handcrafting an automatic rifle.

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>>50116856
>>50116907

>>50116878
But Tzeentch has already chosen them. They just don't know it yet.

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>>50116878
THIS, thank you! Heed this anon, he's got his lore right. Unrelated, I'm gonna need your (True) names, it's for...uh...a school project, yeah...

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>>50116926
>That eye separation

>>50116926
Looks like a typical mess of a Blanche composition.

>>50116907
Why does she wear the mask?

>>50112860
>Don't talk to me or my patron's gene-son ever again

Can someone post a unique Imperial Cults and Militia's army? Just want to see what they're like.

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>>50116950
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the northern expeditions, Primarch of the 2nd Legion, loyal servant to the true emperor, Horus Lupercal. King to a charred planet, father to a butchered people. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.

>Just a bit of info I got talking to sir alan...

There's been a lot of discussion about angron needing a better save/extra wound etc..

It was deliberate to make him less resilient in book 1, as by the end of the crusade he was essentially dying cos of the butchers nails, and was not as powerful as he was earlier in the crusade.

They do intend to make at least one more version of him before he becomes a daemon prince. This version will probably be more powerful as he is nearing his ascent to daemonhood and gaining power again.

He'll also have different weapons of course.

Cheers.

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>>50117010
>...

what do people arm their cataphracti terminator praetors with in 30k?

asked in 40kg...

This is all quite troubling I can't really built and lists or models. I guess all my 1000 suns stuff has to just sit and wait for feb.

>>50117076
I generally use a special character (because Alexis Polus and Sigismund are beasts), but if I used a Praetor I'd give them a TH+SS for sure.

>>50117057
Gracias!

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>>50117156
Love it. Do you happen to have the exploitable one?
>>50117057
Wait, so, Angron will get a fixed profile AND his Daemon profile? Sounds nice.

>>50116964
Fighting 1K Sons leaves a wreck on a girl.
>>50116989
He drew it?
>>50117010
Because it's cool.

>>50117062
Lot of loyalty for an Agent of the Emperor

>>50117303
That's the only version I have.

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>>50117010
I figure it's a nod to Torquemada from 2000 AD comics. He was after all one of the sources of inspiration for the Emperor.

>>50117442
Thanks

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Thoughts on this red? I maybe want to go darker, more of a deep red-brown than anything, desu. Or should I just do the Betrayal at Calth boxset orangish red for my sons of Lorgar?

>>50117558
You forgot to do the black shoulderpads.


But that is a sexy red.

>>50116907
For a second I thought it was twintails-chan and got my hopes up

>>50117558
Damn.

>>50117558
Dunno man, it looks pretty good to me.

>>50117581
My Guys won't be from a chapter that went to Calth.

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>>50117609
>My Guys won't be from a chapter that went to Calth.
>uses Calth models

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>>50117660
MKIV is wholly restricted to Word Bearers who went to Calth?

>>50117609
Mate, all WB had black shoulders and red armor to represent the chapter that became the Gal Vorbak, and how they heralded a new beginning for the XVII legion.

Can someone explain to me the Malcador wants female primarchs" joke?

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>>50117678
The box is called Betrayal at Calth. Why would you use it for marines that were not on Calth?

>>50117733
Because Malcador really did want female Primarchs.

>>50117558
I would have thought he was a Blood Angel until you said he was a WB. Where's the black shoulders?

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>>50117735
>The box is called Betrayal at Calth. Why would you use it for marines that were not on Calth?

Autism.

>>50117711
Source that all Word Bearers did? Paint schemes in 30k are extremely diverse, from chapter to chapter, formation to formation, in a legion. I'll contact Forgeworld by email and ask what they think, and post their response back to you.

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>>50117750
That's interesting.
Where can I read about this?

>>50116618
>Not fiddling around with planetary militia stuff?

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>>50117750
>Malcador really did want female Primarchs.
Based he was.

What models should I use to convert a ragtag group of thunder warrior remnants?

Would they fit in astartee armor? Could I kitbash a bunch of different mk's of space marine armor with unarmored arms

>>50117735
Are you the same guy that gets upset over the prospect of turning Ahriman into a Wolf Priest?

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>>50117783
Would you use early war models for a late war ww2 scenario? Betrayal at Calth is exclusively for the Calth campaign. If you showed up with let's say a White Scars army made from Betrayal at Calth models I would not play with you.

>>50117809
I like plastic sprues way too much for that.

>>50117875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTU8WbTbZMI

>>50117875
It's not a historical wargame, bruh.

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>>50117894
Nice arguments you got there.

>>50117776
It's in one of the FW HH books. Says something along the lines of how it was first the colors of the chapter that the first Gal Vorbak were a part of before they entered the Warp, then the legion gradually shifted into the red and black of their chapter to honour them. Before that, they all wore stone grey.

>>50117875
It's the kid who won't play UM vs WS unless there is a BL novel about it :^)

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>>50117915
So why did they change to red shoulders all of a sudden in 40k? Email to FW has been sent. We'll know if not in this thread, then the next if this is the case universally.

>>50117914

Take your meds, lad.

>>50117875
I turned my Betrayal at Calth into Space Wolves. I had zero reservations about my fluff rape.

>>50117952
It's not fluff rape. MKIV was dispatched to most legions excluding maybe White Scars, with varying percentages of legion-equipment. Traitors had a vastly higher percentage though.

>>50117951
Because the black shoulders is a retcon, as well as a color schange to make them more distinguishable from Blood Angels. If you had painted your guy with green eyes, he'd quite literally be a Blood Angel.

>>50117951
10,000 years is "all of a sudden"?

>>50117975
>as well as a color scheme change
Whoops, forgot to finish typing that up, kek.

>>50117886
I meant to use as rules for your mantic squat army.

>>50117975

Glad I painted his eyes Blue and what trim there is as silver/metal, then. You'd have to be blind when I actually start my project, conversion, decals, freehanding, to mistake Word Bearers with red shoulders as Blood Angels (which have a bright, fiery red scheme) vs fully decked out Word Bearers.

>>50117976

Have you got a source on why they changed it, lorewise?

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>>50117952
The store I go to only allows Betrayal at Calth contents to be played as either Word Bearers or Ultramarines. And I agree with them. If you want to play other legions, well that's what Forge World is for.

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>>50118024
Sounds like Autismo Haven, m8.

>>50117609
You know that all WB had black shoulders right? I like that you painted the eyes blue though. I don't have my copy of Book 6 on me, but there's a thing there that explained it.

Before they had the Red/Black colors, they still had the colors of the Imperial Heralds, Grey with Blue eyes.

The chapters that were sent to Calth were simply the ones that were meant to die out, as Lorgar believed them too winded up on wanting vengeance on the UM and not worshipping Chaos enough.

>>50117010

If she takes it off will she die?

>>50118024
I really can't tell if your're baiting or not.

If that's the case, then your store is full of retards. MkIV armor was issued to everyone in varied amounts, as well as Cataphractii being the oldest mark of Termi armor, ensuring that all legions had it.

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>>50118039
I like that the only argument you have is calling other people autistic.

>>50118024
Nigga all traitor legions had mk 4

>>50118044
IIRC the ADB Black Library novels describe the Gal Vorbak, Serrated Sun then his Chapter of Consecrated Iron all donning black, and some other chapters replicating this. This isn't a blanket statement for all Word Bearers. Variation is what Forgeworld actually encourages, and in much artwork, Forgeworld gamebooks, you see a lot of different minor changes to different bits of armour with different colours to signify different things - whether they be organizational, esoteric, whatever.

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>>50118064
>MkIV armor was issued to everyone in varied amounts
True, but the plastics are intended to be used only for Word Bearers and Ultramarines. For other legions you have to use Forge World MkIV models.

>>50118091
I wish I was on the same plane of Asperger's as you fampire. I really do.

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>>50118091
Here's your (You) now fuck off

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>>50118109
>>50118067

>>50117970
I know. I was being fascetious.

>>50118024
Sounds legit.

>>50118091
>True, but the plastics are intended to be used only for Word Bearers and Ultramarines

From B@C product description (last paragrapgh)
>The included miniatures can be painted to represent any Space Marine chapter with any weapon combination you like - you’re not bound by the game at all!
>any Space Marine chapter
>you’re not bound by the game at all!

???

>>50118091
You are aware that forgeworld sells kits specifically for the purpose of converting Betrayal at Calth into other legions, right?

>>50118149
>30k
>chapter

>>50118150
I don't make the rules friend.

>>50118156
GW's words, not mine.

>>50118156
They had chapters in 30k. They just worked differently from the chapter organisation in 40k.

Check mate.

>>50118091
Is that a guy?

>>50118225
The text clearly means modern chapters, in this case the Ultramarines.

>>50118089
>and in much artwork
All the word bearer artwork shows them either in crimson with black shoulders, or the grey. Got a pic of a 30k word bearer in red with red shoulders? Because as far as I know, every art of a WB marine in crimson has the black pauldrons.

It's not like word bearers are alone in changing scheme slightly going into 40k, other traitor legions did too without reasons being given. Look at the night lords for example.

>>50116894
We don't talk about them anymore.

Not after what GW did to the survivors.

>>50118313

And what exactly is stopping someone from using red shoulderpads on their WBs? Considering their 40k incarnation has them, it's hardly an unprecedented step.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure that anon was referring to ''much artwork" in *general* shows a great degree of armour/colour variation, which is true. If we're talking WBs specifically, there's loads of art from Collected Visions showing them not only with red shoulderplates, but also in a mixed grey-red transitory scheme.

>>50118345
I'd fluff mine to die in the Scouring.
Death is preferable in like cases.

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>>50118313

>>50118354
The fact it makes them look like blood angels.

Jesus christ, we're going in fucking circles.

>>50118401
Raven Guard looks like Dark Angels?

>>50118401

Word Bearers have silver trim, (typically) blue lenses, shit loads of Chaos sigils/writing, and their red is a dark burgundy.

Blood Angels have black/gold trim, (typically) green lenses, shit loads of blood/angel symbols, and their red is a bright blood red.

Literally the only way you could get them confused is if two equally lazy painters decided to put an undecorated WB beside an undecorated Angel Vermillion (who haven't even been mentioned in 30k yet, assuming they ever will be).

Seriously, how triggered must you get trying to tell apart GW's renditions of the Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and Dark Angels?

>>50117476
>That 1st Gen Dark Eldar helm

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>>50118354

>>50118447
Mate, WB only have blue eyes in the books. In all of FW's and GW's art they have green eyes.

>>50117875
How would you know?

>>50118447
Alright, fine, do it if you want. You can be the new KnightAnon with his iron fists/imperial warriors, with everyone saying "nice blood angels" whenever you post your models.

> ++ Suffer not the autismo to live! ++

Can we get a new thread, the old one's going bad. Again.

>>50118476
so basically what youre doing is being extremely pedantic and miopic over literally nothing because you disagreed with an anon and are unwilling to let go of the fact that word bearers having red pauldrons is doing nothing wrong

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>>50118091

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>>50118517
This is what happens when you give my (You)s to baitposters.

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>>50118492

>I have lost the argument and am being a passive aggressive bitch as a last yelp before I slink away with my tail between my legs

Really makes you think.

Rules question, can IWND stack? Say you get it from a WT roll and a character already has it?

>>50113133
>>50113144
>>50113155
Holy fuck, these things are ugly. Are you 13 years old or something? I can't understand how an adult could look at these things and think to himself "yeah, what I just created looks good".

>>50118560
I assume you're asking for the Crimson Path. The answer is yes.

>>50117735
>>50117875
>>50118024
>>50118091
>everyone falling for babby tier bait

This is just pathetic, /hhg/. Endless discussions over rules lawyering I can understand, but not this.

>>50118615
People fall for the bait because they have nothing else to talk about. It's the curse of all ongoing generals running on fumes.

For instance; I have zero problems with any of Russ' actions.

>>50118615
/hhg/ is the easiest to bait thread on this whole damn board, quality posters should return for a while with infernos release, until then we're stuck with all the autismos

>>50118660
>implying you aren't an autismo

>>50118672
sorry should of made myself clearer, we're all autismos here

I pity the poor soul who comes posting his blue coloured Thousand Sons with infernos release. He's going to be eaten alive

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>>50118672
I wonder who the real autismos are?

>>50118700
Hobby & fun always bests canon.

>>50118700
>inb4 Inferno shows a TS company/chapter in blue

>>50118574
>"mutant thing that just wants to die" look
>Holy fuck, these things are ugly.
Sounds like he nailed it.

>>50118608
Nah, Archamgos Reductor rolling on the Personal Traits table as well as having an Abeyant.

>>50118743
It's not even that, the bodies are just too recognisable as orks, the heads just look silly on the ork body, and the arms just look cartoony

>>50118778
It's just a good old fashioned kitbash, boy. Nothing wrong with that.

>>50118749
Oh, I'm not sure. Crimson Path actually specifies ICs that already have IWND recieve a boost. Talk it with your opponent?

>>50118715

we have this guy's example:


>>50118401
>>50118492

autism is typically manifested in public circles where an autistic person cannot deal with change, or differences among what he conceives of as regimented and uniform

this guy is another example:
>>50118091
>>50118067
>>50118024
>>50117914
>>50117875
>>50117735

>>50118743
There's "good ugly", i.e. making something look ugly with beautiful techniques, and then there's "bad ugly", i.e. making something look ugly through sheer laziness and/or brain damage. It's the difference between painting Nurgle miniatures using a wide variety of weathering effects and technical paints or simply pouring literal vomit onto your models.

"His" miniatures fall in the second category, if that wasn't obvious enough.

>>50118829
nothing wrong with a kitbash if it looks good

they look like shit

>>50118660

Inferno's release will have endless Scan begging until some bastard posts shitty camera pictures and gets hailed as a hero, after which things will return to shit.

>>50119037
I'm going to the HH weekender in February and I'm going to buy a copy of inferno

And none of you fuckers are getting scans or even shitty phone pics

>>50118892
>everyone who disagrees with me must be autistic
This viewpoint can fuck off. Warseer can't come back soon enough, everything went to shit when the containment forum went down.

>>50119037
Those brief moments of dissecting the rules together are all I live for, man.

>Tfw Archmagi are TOO customizable
WHAT DO I TAKE!?

>>50119059

If you are, please ask them about the Furibundus and the regular Imperial Army.

>>50119062
t. the autist who couldn't handle word bearer shoulders being red

>>50119087
Mate, there were multiple anons talking about the shoulders.

>>50119080
>implying we're ever getting furibundus

And we already have Imperial Army anon, it's got it's own rulebook and everything. It's called "Imperial Militia and Warp Cults"

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>>50119099

>>50119102

Imperialis Militia are not the whole Imperial Army. I want Imperial Army Armoured Companies and other such units, not massive blobs of troops with only Gorgons for transports.

>>50119115

>Chris Chan posted on hhg

this is the lowest point.

>>50119123
Soz lad, not happening

IM is the only look in were ever going to get a regular humans in the HH, and it's never going to be updated, ever.

>>50119037
It doesn't have to be like that. We just need something to outweigh the autism.

Word Bearer Shoulders Are Not RED!!! You all continue to make me most Angry with this Most Criminal Of Changes In History EVER!!!
You Either Repaint EVERYTHING of your Word Bearer minins, RIGHT NOW, or I will Seriously (not) RIP THEIR SHOULDERS OFF and Seriously (WILL) Watch You All At HORUS HERESY GENERAL DIE from this Heinous Of Crimes EVER!!!

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>>50119141
Why are we even alive at this point?

>>50119031
They look okay. Honestly, you kinda come off as a snob and seems like you would be no fun to play against or even talk hobby with.

>>50119079
No, seriously. I'm not sure what to take on one? Abeyant is a must, but I dunno what I want next. Melee? Ranged? A Reductor list with melee Thallax and Archmagos with Krios tanks supporting from range sounds cool.

But how do I kit out a melee oriented Archamgos Reductor?

>>50119150

I'm dreading the release of Inferno, because things here will become utterly impossible.

>>50119318

Either jetpack or a machinator array. Conversion beamer isn't worth it. Rad array is funny if you pair it with rad grenades for a wonderful -2 toughness on charge. Also, take a dijinn-skien. Always.

>>50119340
I have come up with a plan. We try to make things comfy as possible so it takes time and effort for the SW/1kSon/falseflagfags to ruin it. Just comfortable enough that we can ride out Inferno.

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>>50119115

>>50119145
>IM is the only
>forgets about SA

You couldn't bait if your life depended on it.

>>50119373
It's not the wolves and sons fans I'm worried about, it's the reaction to the full, final custodes rules.

>>50119400
Fuck, SA being so boring and forgettable ruined my bait

Still though, point holds true, maybe we'll get a Imperial Army list but I guarantee they'll never ever update or add anything to the IM list

>>50119399
It burns! Why does this being exist?!
>>50119416
I think the corgis and dust bunnies and again the false flags being raised will be worse than the Custodes' true form.

>>50119373
I'm a SWfag and all I want is comfy threads. I don't even care about the primarchs or hurt fictional feelings,

>>50119312
>implying people act the same IRL as online
Not the same guy, but if you showed those to me in person I would politely say "nice" and change the subject. If you asked for actual critique I'd sugarcoat and come up with alternate suggestions etc.

The anonymity of the internet is one of the few places where people can be brutally honest. Get used to it or get out.

>>50119343
Oddly enough, Reductor can't take Jet Packs.

Rad Grenades and a +1S weapon can ID Space Marines, which is cool. Rad Furnace makes it so that S4 weapons can ID Marines, but seeing as how Thallax with Heavy Chainblades are S7, the Furnace would be unnecessary unless your enemey was making heavy use of rad weaponry as well.

Holy crap, the Machinator array is sex. Just looked at it's rules right now.

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>>50119444
Then you're a good corgi. I hope your legions doesn't get the shaft.

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>>50119141

>>50119469
Thanks antman. I'll just be happy to have some official rules and fluff that's not from BL.

>>50119432
I'm sure they'll update it for the next Army red book, but we all know they're not gonna do anything to it. It's like Blackshields or something, just a list for those that don't want the other options of like the convert.

>>50119373

I'm more concerned that the fact we're not going to get a guaranteed scan means that the scanbegging will reach plague proportions.