Android Netrunner General - Daring you to go to mars edition.

Latest spoiler batch:

http://imgur.com/a/x1S3p

Look at your own peril.

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>>50107076

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>>50107410

I liked the angle on the OP shot better for some reason.

Aginfusion turning unrezzed ICE into server specific run event protection is funny. And I like that crazy plan against ICE destruction..; wanna trash my ICE? Well I'll trash it myself!

One thing I'm not sure I like about Tithonium: Caïssa-proof (more in the way it is than that it is, strictly).

How does it work if it's rezzed *after* already hosting, say a Rook?

Program trash?

DLR bullshit is on it's way to winning it's 2nt worlds in a row...

>>50107076
Okay, fun stuff for weyland. Me likey. Especially the rock.

>>50108014

It's a powerful card. Always one of my favorites from release on.

>>50108038

Standoff!!!

>>50107957
That's the same question for Oversight A.I.

While I'm here actually, does Red Sands start the end of the Genesis and Spin cycles?

>>50108155
>does Red Sands start the end of the Genesis and Spin cycles?

Nope, start with first packet of the following one.

>That's the same question for Oversight A.I.

That's where I was going actually with that question.

>>50108094
It is REALLY boring to face tho.
Just mill mill mill mill bullshit.
Not interactive at all.

>>50107046
>Do you welcome our new Weyland overlords in your hearts?
Looking forward to the new ice selection. Tithonium is a great target for forfeiting 1 pointers and the new 2/0, while letting you rez normally. Veritas and Bloodletter are great taxing Sentry ice for centrals, and so is Watchtower, though the latter is Yoggable. Battlement manages to hit the sweet spot for both Corroder and Paperclip, which is neat. Hortum is a 4 rez 4 strength ETR Code Gate with 2 subs, which is already good, but you can then upgrade it to be anti-AI if needed. Sapper is kinda eh, a program trash is kind of inconsistent when compared to Chrysalis' 2 damage, but it does make RnD and HQ spikier without importing anything.

Also, Veritas seems to be the art for what was previously thought as Fairchild 4.0.

>>50108186

We've had that discussion already.

By itself it's one of the most interactive runner cards. You need to run to even be able to install it.

You need to be tagged to even be able to use it.

The issue is too many tools making you able to ignore the risks you're supposed to be taking.

Gotta love how shit Corp econ is in this meta.

He gave the Raven a token... NEVER GIVE THE RAVEN A TOKEN!

>>50108512
TOP deck napd ftw

Progenitor full art!

>>50108230
I hope we go with more of the insanely strange Jinteki ICE design.

deal net damage when the runner passes through or forced susanoo if you break the one sub is sweet as. This coincides with my complaint that NBN got the decent ON ENCOUNTER effects (outside of Komainu)

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>>50107457
>for some reason.
I know, right?

So what was ADN 42 again?

>>50108901
Weyland deluxe box

>>50108901
Very likely it's whatever those cards with the diamond on them are in, since the lowest numbered Weyland is Bloodletter (4x, 47-48?) and the highest is Hunter Seeker at 51, atleast 4 Weyland cards, which probably means it isn't part of a pack. Seeing as Marilyn Campaign is 2x or 3x, it definitely gives room for runner cards. No dots showing limited copies like the core set either, so probably a big box.

>Whizzard is the King of the World!
>promptly get blown up by a missile/rocket

>>50109513
>gets BOOM'd in Finals but wins the game anyway

NBN and Anarch ruin everything

So what was the special event today?

>>50110240
As far as I have seen a bunch of weyland spoilers.

>>50108038
I WAS JUST SAYING THEY SHOULD REPRINT "I HAVE A ROCK"

TRULY THE TIME OF WEYLAND IS COMING! GREEN PLAYERS REJOICE!

>don't see any NBN spoilers

They're going to fuck us again, aren't they?

>>50109755
>>50109513

And to think Whiz was a joke ID previously.

Wonder if that deck would still appear as a champ deck with rotation creeping up? Lots of nice stuff in there to say the least.

>>50110476
>They're going to fuck us again, aren't they?
Probably, but they don't even need to. We are fucked enough already for NBN to dominate even after all these Weyland cards come out.

>>50108648

Yeah, we've all been focusing on the big W, but the Jinteki stuff is really promising too.

My brain just slow-poked how fucking terrifying Hunter Seeker was.

>>50110240

Yeah, nothing big unless for some reason (Weyland marketing tactics?) they managed to keep it all under wrap.

I guess the announcement rumor was only that.

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>>50107046
Because I spent 5 minutes with a minor hangover looking, 'grats to Chris Dyer for winning

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>>50110476
>don't see any NBN spoilers
Probably, but the hype right now is great, I don't even care

Also, we got a Triple - which would be great to AD

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>>50112154
Oh yeah, in Jamison, that means you can 1-turn a Gov Takeover if you have a 5/3:

Jamison "1 adv. + 1 per point on the agenda you sac"
Success is the requirement, not points

1 + 3 + 5

Just Biotic and you're good to go.

Not like 5's are will be too hard either, if you do Jamison trading shenanigans

>>50111937
Yeah, "any" card is pretty scary. Especially when that agenda might not even have been worth points

>>50112154
This makes me irrationally miffed at Day Job not having a subtype to signify it's 4 click cost.

Anyone got the Champion decklists?

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>>50112188
Consistency? With FFG?
Ha, no.

>>50112234
You know, I'd drop consistency in a heartbeat if it meant we actually got good balance and errata.

>>50112234
That play cost and gain is so wonky you almost forget it's a cheaper Restructure.

>>50112183
I just realized why all the new tutoring ice might be necessary; given how Jemison could snowball it's agendas into one another, you really need to be able to get agendas as you need them. Since Atlas is going away, the ice and probably some other method of tutoring will probably be pretty important to chain the agendas together.

>>50112278
Restructure is rotating IIRC, and this is Terminal, so I'm fine with it.

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>>50112278
Yeah, it is just an "end the turn" restructure - probably because Restructure is cycling out - but for a brief time they should both be legal

>>50112306
That's a good point. Though The Future Is Now and possibly even aggressive negotiation may help

>>50112375
>plonk pic related on HQ
>tutor traps when the runner runs it (you don't have to show the card)

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>>50112398
Would be nice. Weyland's time as the no-codegates faction seems to be ending at least

>>50112154
It's also the first card effect to ever straight up say "Advance a card", this with Hollywood renovation in a Multi-biotic mega-turn could score multiple agendas. Just need loads of money to do it.

>>50112375

Isn't it in the second pack, the one after rotation has hit? Or is that the cycle after that?

>>50112502
Saccing a 5/3

Biotic > Biotic > Biotic > Install Hollywood > Install Atlas > Install Atlas > Success

Jemison the counters onto Hollywood to get it up to 4 then successing gives: 9 on Hollywood, 3 on Atlas, 6 on Atlas.

In fact, fuck it, you could just use the two Clicks to Fast Track out a GT and Fast advance it with those counters.

Of course, NBN will get a card that says "Triple. Play only if the runner is tagged. Win the game." and Weyland will be irrelevant again.

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>>50112521
It's the cycle after - Red Sands is the last one before rotation

>>50112638
Cycle or big box.

Given the Clan synergy they are going to introduce, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Mars big box in addition to the cycle. Or maybe a space big box in general.

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>>50112651
>Clan synergy
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that. Too much corp hype for me to think about runners

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Hey, a new clone

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>>50113091
And a delicious combo arises

>>50113108
>>50113091
Combine with Hokusai and Excalibur...

>>50112234
>People wonder why Restructure isn't Weyland
>FFG prints new version of Restructure with lower cost of entry and shadowy board room art like so many other Weyland cards
>Not green

God damn it...

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>>50113131
Beautiful

Though not quite as beautiful as pic related

>>50113091
If he isn't the hero Jinteki deserves, he's certainly the one it needs.

These are the kind of Corp characters I wanted to see. I just want to pair her and Hanzo together and see if love can bloom in Hokusai.

>>50113250
Just be happy it is not yellow

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>>50113295
He's the hero they needed, so they grew him. I think Hanzo would be trashed first

Looks like we'll be seeing some gene-grown meat in the future too, which I'm honestly okay with - I doubt it'd be expected

>>50113348
>Hanzo
>Not Eiko
It's like you don't want your pets to be happy together pets, because they sure as hell aren't people

>>50107410
Worthless, random milling is shit. 1/10

>>50107457
Since they are encountering the ICE already you don't get a chance to rez it, so you need active threat already rezed ICE on the table for this to do anything. 3/10

>>50112154
Agenda needs to already be on the table for a turn to play this, it takes 3 clicks so you can't score a bigger agenda, not likely to gain you points. 4/10

>>50112183
This one is good, wish it was 0 cost 9/10

>>50112234
Not bad 8/10

>>50112375
3 Str Code gate Yog.0/10

>>50112415
Decent for it's cost, wish it was a trace 3 but 3 subs for 4 credits is not bad. 6/10

>>50112638
3 Str Code Gate Yog.0/10

>>50113091
If it was not Unique I'd say it was good but Rumor Mill makes this unplayable 5/10

>>50113108
I like this one, triggers in all zones and that is a fair chunk of damage 8/10

>>50113251
This is a great turn 2 score or in a horizontal deck. 8/10

>>50113348
1 Meat and a random trash is not really worth the deck slot. Might replace Shock! in some decks. 7/10

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>>50113501
>Agenda needs to already be on the table

>>50113501
rating unreleased cards out of their meta. whizzard/10

>>50113250
It's not Weyland because it has a high barrier to entry. 8 credits is a lot to hold onto unless you're as bursty as Weyland can be. Lots of decks, even some Weyland decks struggle to use Restructure. Any faction economy card has to be better than Hedge Fund and Restructure. Beanstalk can be played at 0 creds. Medical Research gets Jinteki 5 credits at 3 instead of 10. Successful Demo gets HB 5 at *2*, that's why it's so restrictive. That's a Restructure *any* deck can play at turn 2 from 0 credits if the requirement is met.

>>50107410
Random milling is not shit if the Corp is looking to churn through the runner's entire deck. That's Jinteki black tree, Jinteki saw is the law, and even Weyland builder of guns can do that

>>50113548
So you need an agenda scored, and a 3 card combo in hand to net 0 point gain (outside of 1 or 2 combos). That is just awful jank.

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>>50113475
Eiko is a person, Ben's certainly not.
Reading Strange Flesh at the moment, clones are very much in the "equipment" category.

>>50113717

Or you can NA a Government Takeover. From 0 credits.

That in itself is enough of a threat to make it interesting, I find.

>>50113501

Are you the netghost of Alexfrog?

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>>50114362
>the netghost of Alexfrog?
The haunting of the old days will never end

>>50113501
>Since they are encountering the ICE already you don't get a chance to rez it, so you need active threat already rezed ICE on the table for this to do anything. 3/10

Or you know, runner goes for Account Siphon, you trash an unrezzed piece of ICE, run end on Archives, AS is moot.

Introduces an interesting new dynamic: don't run server specific effects unless the ICE on said server is already rezzed.

>>50114425
Okay, that's pretty funny. An ID that's going to need a lot of cheap ice, for sure, but it looks fun.
Being able to defeat particularly clutch runs for the cost of a piece ice seems very nice

>>50114562

Three Crick. You want to be able to cycle that ICE, while continuously sending the runner to Archives.

>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner

Gotta love that bias in favor of Weyland...

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>>50114728
If you mean by volume, it's just because they were the easiest faction for me to write

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>>50113250
Eh, everyone needs cash, this at least gets around the Restructure problem that Hedge Fund left you one short.

That said, I would appreciate a giant transaction in Weyland

Also loving the Tori Hanzo quote on pic related

>>50115697
>12 credits in Jinteki
Holy god is this trash

>>50113717
just score all the 2/0s and decline desu

>>50116017
So spend 3 clicks advancing twice?

>>50113603
>out of their meta
Come to think of it, with the amount of FA Weyland is getting, it really makes me wonder what the Runners will be getting. Clot is probably going to pale in comparison.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/5/new-dog-in-town/

Weyland Deluxe box with 30 new Weyland cards and 60 new cards spread across 2 new Micro Corp Factions!

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>>50118093
We all know FFG has stated no more Faction based deluxes and no more microfactions.

I have a feeling Aginfusion is going to make FAO come back in force.

Also, given what you want do with it and those new Jinteki cards, that fun Heartbeat + Full Cyber deck isn't looking so jank anymore. Damage prevention in general is probably going to gain in value- The Noble Path to steal Obokata is going to be something to behold.

>>50114905

I definitely meant by volume. And not an attack on the work, it's just funny to scroll down and suddenly see the explosion of text for Weyland.

>>50118564
Aginfusion is garbage

>>50118585

If you think so, I'm thinking it opens freakish possibilities.

a) Naked advanced Junebug. Make the runner run it and either Whirlpool/Labyrinthine Server for the kill or Port Anson Grid to make sure your ICE trashed is gonna cost more than a click to the runner.

b) The Archives: reroute runs to Archive, mass Crick to hurt the runner econ or cycle trashed ICE back, Shock!/House of Knives to make stealing an Obokata or an agenda protected by Musashi/Kakugo out of runer reach. Nisei MkII toadd up to the taxing if needed.

c) the aforementioned native server-specific effect protection.

>>50118687

Oh and I knew I was forgetting something: An Offer you Can't Refuse which you can now reroute to that over-advanced Junebug.

Probably the first time I'm contemplating Dedicated Technician Team in a deck - if you can get that thing going, I recon installing ICE is going to be more costly than rezzing it.

I'll give you that's a big if...

>>50118687
When you switch servers, you're set to encountering the outermost ice. If it's not rezzed, it can't be.

>>50118735

Yes, I know... That doesn't really invalidate most of what I said... unless your point is that the runner is going to stop running whatsoever.

>>50118585
If you score Labyrinthine Servers you win the game.

All you need to do then is advance a Junebug or Overwriter and force the Runner to hit it.
Burn a token so they can't jack out and they are dead.

Now that I think of it, En Passant, just like FAO, just got a significant value bump from that ID.

>>50119060
En Passant is amazing for Val Blackmail decks.
Blackmail into their scoring remote then take it apart.

>>50117576

I'm more thinking about how recursion/protection will be handled to account for all those new installed card/stack trashing options.

>>50119219
>Blackmail decks.

Another thing Aginfusion can hurt... DDOS too to a point.

The more I think about it, the more I'm liking all the piloting and new board state options offered by that ID.

>>50119286
Does not really matter when the Runner mills you all game with DLR and just grabs 7 points out of Archives.

>>50119336

The All Seeing I is one influence. Freelancer and Foxfire cost nothing.

But then maybe people around you *exclusively* play Val Blacmail DLR decks?

Then Obokata, Musashi and Archives firing ambushes can also hinder that plan.

>>50119526
All shit cards that no one plays.

With pic related and Bulwark it looks like Destroyer*-Barriers are becoming a thing

Kinda cool, though they're still Barriers

Also nice that the sac eats the whole cost here

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>>50119770
Damn phone

>>50119541

I assume you mean the released ones.

If you consistently get beaten by a deck yet refuse to tech against it, you only have yourself to blame.

I assume someone plays that deck way too much in your local meta (had to stop playing it myself when suddenly everyone picked it up after Wireless Net Pavilion was released... what I found was was a funny deck suddenly became a lot less funny to my opponents when it stopped being a marginal deck). Just don't let it get to you.

Alternatively that's just your way of trying to keep the conversation going, in which case, I don't know.

Still, the fact that Foxfire still isn't seeing any play at all as far as I can tell I'm finding somewhat dumbfounding to be honest.

Kills the directives, the shards, DLR, DDOS, Gang Sign, Ghost Runner, Globalsec Security Clearance, Net Mercur, Hunting Grounds, Xanadu and the link cards - and it's not as if we were still living in times were those were hardly being played.

>>50119770

I'm assuming pic related is Tithonium?

And yes, interesting development. I'm thinking it wise they keep it tied to high cost ICE though.

>>50119822
5 Str Barrier is shit for both those prices.
FFG does not understand their own game at all

>>50119954
>those prices
Literally a scored Standoff

I do honestly think the wealth of spoilers may have awakened Alexfrog's net-ghost

Yeah, probably inertia for fox.
I think it's interesting that they're making running without a fracter against Weyland actually potentially painful, with spiky barriers and Slee

>>50119954
It takes corroder 6 credits to break or eata a whole D4vid. If the runner runs it twice you make your money back.

Or...you know, advance a 0 point agenda and earn it back on first encounter. Hell, I would gladly sac a hostile takeover to rez that.

>>50120655
So you mean more shitty pointless "taxing" ICE.
It must be nice being able to play on such a low level that you don't understand why this is crap.

>>50114276
Eiko is a clone. At least that is the distinct impression I got from the Escalation lore.

>>50115959
12 credits for an awkward as fuck to break barrier that totally shuts down AI usage on its server is pretty fair. IPO may help with money, corps seem to be getting more econ options across the board.

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>>50121449
You break it for 1 with Morningstar, Net Ready Eyes, Ice Carver, and 1 Datasucker Token or The Personal Touch.

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>>50121643

How silly of me, of course, trash.

>>50121708
You have to think about full rig builds. That is why you are tier 11 trash.

>>50121449

Not to sure about her being a clone, but lolz at her being 'just another sammy' despite such dishonour tactics and being a gurl.

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>>50121449
I didn't get that impression, but it's open to interpretation

>>50122177
Baka gaijin don't get honourably dispatched, clearly

>>50122447

How the barbarians get slaughtered is one thing. A dirty fem ninja pretending to be honorobu sammy is another.

Proper sammys wear their master's icons most prominently and go in guns/swords blazing. Not sneak about in shamefur manner.

>>50122447

Thanks.

Two months to go for full cycle. Can't wait.

Too bad we probably won't make it by Christmas... will have to find something other than a full set for the annual pseudo-tournament event.

>>50123270

Most samurai weren't any more proper than they had to, and just as improper as they could get away with.

And know I'm feeling like watching Harkiri again...

>>50123326

God damn it, that typo *now* not *know*...

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MFW I won 3 games at worlds with turn 2 Mushin Junebugs.

>>50123359

/golfclap

>>50123278

Idk, if pack 5 is out by the last week of Nov, it's possible for pack 6 to be out before the end of the year.

Still no clue what ADN 42 is supposed to be either.

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42 is not gonna survive the hype.

Wonder what was the win rates vs those corp gun-slinger decks?

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>>50127333
>corp gun-slinger decks?
Huh?

Do you mean the BOOM-using ones?

>>50127459

The ones with all those spoilers I meant (ie Red Sands Big W and Jin). There was some sort of vs staff event at Worlds right?

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>>50127706
>There was some sort of vs staff event at Worlds right?
Ah, I have no idea - is there somewhere people are talking about that, rather than just the cards?

This looks fun with Tori Hanzo, people might actually have to pack prevention

>>50127942
I always slot a net shield in my shaper decks anyway.

>>50127969
How often do you install it?

>>50128006
Every game against Jinteki (unless it's Tennin FA). Which is not very often at all, granted, because fucking NBN.

Anybody has a Jinteki deck that screams JINTEKI? To showcase the faction so to speak. Doesn't need to be competitive, just flashy.

>>50128117
Big in Japan

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Agenda (93)
3x Ancestral Imager
3x Braintrust
3x Chronos Project
3x Clone Retirement
3x Corporate Sales Team
3x Corporate War
3x Dedicated Neural Net
1x Eden Fragment
3x Encrypted Portals
3x Executive Retreat
3x False Lead
3x Fetal AI
3x Genetic Resequencing
3x Gila Hands Arcology
3x Global Food Initiative ●●●
1x Hades Fragment
3x House of Knives
3x Improved Protein Source
3x Labyrinthine Servers
3x Medical Breakthrough
2x Merger ●●
3x NAPD Contract
3x Nisei MK II
1x Philotic Entanglement
3x Priority Requisition
3x Private Security Force
3x Profiteering
3x Project Kusanagi
3x The Future is Now
3x The Future Perfect
3x Unorthodox Predictions
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3x Vanity Project ●●●
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3x Hyoubu Research Facility
2x Jackson Howard ●●
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2x Levy University
3x Melange Mining Corp.
3x Mental Health Clinic
3x PAD Campaign
3x Plan B
3x Political Dealings
3x Private Contracts
3x Project Junebug
3x Psychic Field
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3x Shock!
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3x Tech Startup
3x Tenma Line
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3x Akitaro Watanabe
3x Breaker Bay Grid
3x Caprice Nisei
3x Cyberdex Virus Suite
3x Dedicated Technician Team
3x Georgia Emelyov
3x Hokusai Grid
3x Marcus Batty
3x Midori
3x Mumbad City Grid
3x Mumbad Virtual Tour ○○○○○ ○
3x NeoTokyo Grid
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3x Prisec
3x Self-destruct
3x Shell Corporation
3x Tori Hanzō
3x Underway Grid
3x Valley Grid

1/2

>>50128874
Operation (78)
3x "Clones are not People"
3x An Offer You Can't Refuse
3x Celebrity Gift
3x Cerebral Cast
3x Cerebral Static
3x Diversified Portfolio
3x Fast Track
3x Foxfire
3x Hedge Fund
3x Heritage Committee
3x Interns
3x Lag Time
3x Medical Research Fundraiser
3x Mushin No Shin
3x Mutate
3x Neural EMP
3x Precognition
3x Recruiting Trip
3x Restoring Face
3x Restructure
3x Scarcity of Resources
3x Snatch and Grab
3x Sub Boost
3x Subliminal Messaging
3x Sunset
3x Trick of Light

Barrier (21)
3x Ashigaru
3x Bastion
3x Himitsu-Bako
3x Quicksand
3x Snowflake
3x Wall of Static
3x Wall of Thorns

Code Gate (42)
3x Aiki
3x Chum
3x Clairvoyant Monitor
3x Crick
3x Datapike
3x DNA Tracker
3x Enigma
3x Inazuma
3x Lockdown
3x Lotus Field
3x Quandary
3x Shiro
3x Upayoga
3x Yagura

Sentry (39)
3x Assassin
3x Chetana
3x Chrysalis
3x Cortex Lock
3x Gemini
3x Grim
3x Komainu
3x Mamba
3x Neural Katana
3x Pup
2x Shinobi
1x Susanoo-no-Mikoto
3x Swordsman
3x Tsurugi

Multi (3)
3x Rainbow

Other (9)
3x Excalibur
3x Kitsune
3x Mother Goddess

12 influence spent (max 15-3=12, available 0)
168 agenda points (between 168 and 169)
419 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Escalation
2/2

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>>50128880
>>50128874
kek

>>50128880
>>50128874
Take advantage of the Alliance mechanics for even more cards.

>>50129149
You are limited by the number of printed Agendas.

>>50128874
>>50128880

10/10 would play for the name alone.

Now we just need to devise a EDHrunner format.

>>50128874
>>50128880
Required listening during play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx3PqQt7Vk

>>50129414
1111 is already that, sorta.

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>>50129483
I mean a more literal EDH clone format, with a commander and only one of each card and everything.

>>50129524
not enough cards in the game, really.

>>50129535
What if minimum deck size is the normal one or 1.5x?

>>50129535
You can do it now even with a max 1 of each agenda but it gets a little meh for some factions.

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Loving Best Defence already, just sniped a Scheherazade with 2 bird breakers on it.
Opponent was not impressed, thought hosted cards should fall back to the rig not get trashed.

Also, probably the only time I'll agree with Dan, Mother Goddess is fantastically useful.

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Senior Executive Highlander v0.1

>Every card has "Limit 1 per deck."
>play to 10 agenda points

Corp Side
>Choose 1 in-faction unique Bioroid/Clone/Executive/Character/Sysop to be your CEO
>CEO is not part of your deck, you may not include another copy in your deck.
>When you reveal your ID, reveal your CEO and host it on your ID
>If it is hosted on your ID, you may play your CEO as if it were in HQ
>Every time your CEO would be uninstalled (except when added to a score area or removed from the game), you may host it on your ID, if you do, its rez cost is increased by 2 and install cost by 1 for the rest of the game

Runner Side
>???
I'm working on that part.

Suggestions welcome.

>>50107076
I want to be Comet Jockey.

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>>50131035
Yeah, that's some nice theme on a cool card

>>50130982
I'm considering raising the minimum deck size to 40/50/60 instead of 40/45/50, and reducing the agenda point limit to 8 or 9.

>>50130982
Wotan with free rezzes would be pretty OP, and the agenda executives basically shouldn't be CEO, ironically.

What ruleset is this trying to copy again?

>>50131536
MtG's EDH.

There are no free rezzes, where did you get that idea.

>>50130982
Forgot to add that your CEO is inactive while hosted on your ID (is not installed, cannot be rezzed or otherwise interacted with, except for installing).

>>50131563
I mean if you have Wotan as CEO and include Oversight AI, Bioroid Efficiency, etc. to rez it after installing. There's the limit 1 per deck limitation of course, but enough recursion would probably help.

>>50131604
>Wotan as CEO and include Oversight AI, Bioroid Efficiency, etc.
I am fine with this interaction. amusingly, only Weyland can pull it off reliably because of their tutors, and they can't CEO him.

>>50131659
You could import the tutor cards in, especially since HB has Custom Biotics. I don't know, I'll read through the EDH rules somewhere first, then see if I can make any suggestions.

So far my idea for SEH Runners is that all non-icebreaker cards have "Limit 1 per deck", because breakers are imported most of the time and there just aren't enough different ones for each type.

Still no idea how to represent the CEO for them (I'm calling it Associate, or Partner). Maybe a AI or Connection with the same rules as CEO's?

I'm getting into Netrunner now, and I was wondering if there's a list of the most popular ice/icebreakers/operations/events/etc. floating out there.

This game seems fascinating, but I'm kind of getting information overload with how many cards and potential combos and synergies there are.

>>50132365
It's probably recommended that you familiarize with the stuff in the core set first before venturing into the wild of the expansion cards, especially since a lot of the core set cards are still plenty relevant. The articles and blogs section in the OP should have everything you need once you want to delve deeper. There's also this new blog which seems to be targeted at new players too.
https://levyuniversity.wordpress.com/

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>>50132365
Most popular cards are almost always in the core set, very often they made easily half your deck.
Personally I'd recommend that, when you're well pass core cards, start picking up deluxes, starting with your favourites since it will give you plenty of agendas and options for your faction.
Also Opening Moves and Blood Money. Probably the top tier datapacks right now.
But as anon said it's probably better to familiarize with the core set stuff first.

>>50130982
So, reading the EDH rules, no importing right? Due to the color restriction thing. Maybe blank IDs too, unless you want ID abilities and influence to be relevant. Increasing only the install cost by 1 should be fine, it would be too restrictive otherwise, especially due to how easily they can get trashed. Alternatively, increase install cost, rez cost, AND trash cost by 1 each time instead. And I do wonder if there's a way to make the agenda executives usable with this proposed format, but I guess their abilities are way too strong. Though if you do increase trash cost every time, you could install over it repeatedly to pump it to obscene amounts, with the side effect of being expensive to rez/install.

For the runner side, maybe:
>Mostly same as the corp side; choose a unique connection, host on ID, install as if in grip, each time removed from play/trashed host on ID and increase play cost by 1.
>When the connection enters play, place a red counter on the card.
>At the end of the next runner turn that all the counters on the card is red, place a blue counter on the card, and flip all red counters to blue.
>The runner may pay 1 credit (as a paid ability) to flip 1 counter to red, 1 click to flip 2 counters, or 4 clicks to remove all but one counter.
>All counters must be red before the ability can be used.

The counter thing is to avoid the strong stuff like Kati, because spamming her ability from turn 1 would most likely be OP. The runner can basically get two turns of use from the connection, then they'd have to reactivate it again. Since flipping it is a paid ability, they activate it when they need it. Not sure if it's enough to stop Kati, but deactivating the card at the end of every turn it's used instead of at the end of the next might be too debilitating.

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>>50133515
I'd allow importing. It's pretty important for quite a few strategies. The CEO does have to be in-faction.
I'll change the cost increase to +2 install cost only. I'm not increasing trash costs, because Bioroid ice and because the commanders do not become more resilient at all.
Executives can be used to great effect with Self Destructs and similar effects.

See, there aren't enough unique connections for each faction, so I included AIs too. Unfortunately Apex is fucked either way.
I'll increase the install cost of the Associates by 2, 1 is too little.
The counters are not the way. Kati cannot be the Associate because she's neutral, and Associates need to be in-faction just like CEOs.

>>50133682
That's a little too restrictive for the mini-factions. Maybe they can pick neutral without influence connections?

For Corp I'd go with a Project Manger focus.
Like pick a Character/Clone/Biorid Asset or Upgrade and have hosted on the Root of one of your centrals at the start of the game.
Starts the game in play rezzed and you can spend a click to move it to any legal location.
Each time it is trashed it gets derezed and gains +1 rez and trash cost. If it is trashed 5 (or whatever number ends up being workable) times the Corp loses the game.

Runners work in the Fixer format where they start the game with a Connection resource in play as the person who "hired" them. Each time the Connection is trashed it stays in play but gets a +1 credit additional cost to trash it with any effect.

1 Copy of each card in a day standard Inf limits.

>>50133682
You could make ice not be able to be CEO. And I don't know, a 6 rez 7 trash Alix is pretty resilient, unless Imp.

>Associates need to be in-faction just like CEOs
There's the Draft IDs, but those have their own problems. I do think this is one point that breaking away from the original rules would be fine though. Mini-factions can import their Associates maybe?

2 might be too much; and going off on a tangent for a bit, it's surprising how that's a thing with Netrunner, every single cost in this game is so fine tuned that even a single credit increase or decrease would change how viable a card can be. 1 credit Rumor Mill is cheap. 2 credits is decent. 3 credits is starting to become expensive, but might be worth it. I seriously can't think of another game with such a small play cost margin.

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>>50133996
Sunny and Adam are fine, they have their connections. Apex is the only one that would need a special rule, probably allowing Endless Hunger.

>>50134026
Starting with the commander/CEO/Associate was never the point, it doesn't happen in EDH. The point is that it's always available to use and just comes back every time.

I don't like them getting harder to trash, see >>50133682

>>50134093
I think it fits the theme of Netrunner to have a active project manager you are playing and if they get shut down too many times they are "fired"

>>50134093
Not every Adam deck wants to run Dr. Lovegood, just like not every Sunny deck wants Sinclair. Giving the limited card pool runners a few extra options would be for the best.

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>>50134141
If an exec is fired, they don't usually dismantle the entire division.
>>50134152
Then tell FFG to print more. The mini-factions are just as restricted as they are normally, proportionally speaking.

>>50134224
Seen it before with a bunch of IT projects.
PM fucks up and the project fails and the entire place turns into a graveyard.

2 jobs ago the PM assigned to getting us moved from Linux to Windows platforms fucked up the ordering severs 3 times and it ended with the entire company going under

>>50134290
A single project is a bit smaller than Youtube under Alphabet, Inc.

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Criminals may not be top-tier right now, but that doesn't mean they can't be annoying as fuck - all 3 temujin in a row, for example.
With Sec Test and Desperado.

And then Femmeing my best ice

>>50130787
Where's that from?

>>50135245
It's in Intervention.

>>50134335

>3 tems in a row

It's not like other factions can't do the same though...

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>50135270
I should probably check up on the card pool...

>>50135412
Huh, so I did and turns out there's a lot of cool stuff I didn't know that was out. Neato.

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>>50135474
Yeah, it's a neat pack.


I'm finding Bulwark fun. Not amazing, but fun

>>50135656
Holy fuck that card is awful...

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I heard a rumor at worlds that FFG picked up a Mecha Licence recently and are looking to do a LCG with it.
I was told it was Gundam but I find that unlikely the rights to Gundam are kind of fucky in the USA.

Any one have some insight on this?

>>50136201

With all those hype on LR5? Most unlikely.

More interested in 42, and other announcements which didn't seem to appear at worlds.

>>50137723
what is 42?

>>50137740

The last data pack of the Flashpoint cycle is labeled ADN41. The first data pack of the Mars cycle is labeled ADN43.

So now there's a lot of speculation going on about just what ADN42 is going to be.

I'm ashamed of myself sometimes...

Chief Slee in a deck using Zed 1.0.

cardgamedb out for anyone else ("Account Suspended")?

>>50136201
I wonder if they'd even be able to support another LCG at this current point, with the Arkham Horror LCG that will be released this month, and L5R which was acquired way back and still has no news. Then there's the CCG Star Wars game that will be released soon too. Another LCG might be too much on their plate, but who knows.

I'd love a Gundam LCG, but $60+ per month on packs for 3 LCGs is going to hurt.

>>50138780
Well the word at Worlds was that since Warhammer 40,000: Conquest and Lord of the Rings is being replaced with Arkham Horror (They have not announced it yet but Haradrim is going to be the final cycle), there is going to be room for another LCG. Star Wars is mostly dead in the water at this point as well with it likely ending soon as well.

Now all that said I don't expect anything but L5R in 2017 as LCGs go.
I see Star Wars being ended after Worlds 2017 and us seeing a new LCG in 2018.

Mecha is a good option as FFG has not really tapped that market at all with any of it's products yet, I can see them building a new Mecha universe (along the lines of what they have done with Android). Another popular idea is Super Heroes but I don't see them doing this unless they can make a deal with Disney for a Marvel LCG.

>>50139313
Welp now a Marvel LCG version of City of Heroes CCG is the only thing I want in my life...

>>50139329
>City of Heroes
Now that is a game I have not thought about in a long time. If I remember right it was something like heroes have 3 skill sets and you build a deck of powers off those skills. Had some crazy recharge mechanics based on how far you rotated a card when you used it.
If Legendary was already not a massive on going hit I can see FFG getting some of the marvel pie. X-Wing has been huge so Disney likely will look at FFG for their other lines.
Now all this said FFG is hiring a new LCG Developer.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/more/careers/
They talked to a few people about this at Worlds even. They want someone to come on to help finalize L5R then be put as a lead on a new project.
That is where the Mecha talk started as all the people they talked too got asked if they have any interest or knowledge about Mecha/Robots.
I can't think of a Mecha based card game so it's be an interesting market to touch on.

What happens if you have multiple Top Hats installed?

Like if you have 3 installed, do you access 3 of the top 5 cards? The only thing tripping me up is the "...you can access no other cards this run" clause.

>>50140288
It's like the card says. If you use top hat, you can only access one card that run.

A new FLGS opened up near me and runs LCG nights. I'm really interested in this one but it looks tricky. Is there any digital version I can play against an AI?

>>50140663
There is a digital version you can play online (jinteki.net), but not against an AI.

>>50139591
Really looking forward to it if they do go ahead with it regardless of whether they'd bother getting the license for Gundam or make their own universe, there aren't nearly enough mecha games in the hobby, even with the recent new games from Kickstarter. Guess we'll know in a year or two.

>>50140663

There is technically that Why I Run link up on top, although it's more an overview on how the runner works in a limited setting.

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>tfw when you lose a game against Val because you actually rezzed ice.
Fucking Eater, turned all my Prisecs off

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>>50139313
I don't know about Star Wars - no matter how dead it is, there's Episodes 8 and 9 to build hype and sell shit that ties in with.
So unless there's actually been an announcement I can't see that going anywhere for a while.

>>50135279
Almost wondering if it might be time for NEXT - having archives open is basically giving runners a Liberated Account these days

>>50143221

Well there is that collectable dice game thingy, so it's not impossible for resources from the LCG to be retasked towards that instead.

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>>50143399
>collectable dice game thingy
Oh yeah.

The fuck is that about, collectable dice?

Wishing Amazon would hurry the fuck up with my copy of Worlds of Android, which I do intend to photo or scan, if my scanner's actually working

>>50143466

Pretty much yeah. Can't beat MTG as a TCG, so might as well go full SW with fancy random dice instead. Licence to print creds really.

Also, thanks in advance if you do manage to scan the Book. Can't wait to read up on the grimdark not-present future.

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>>50143935
It looks good - I've got a few preview pics like >>50131129, but I'm so excited to get the damn thing.

I'll definitely scan/photo it, I'm all for sharing books - I got Strange Flesh and 2/3 Identity trilogy books from /anrg/. And an anon who got the hardcopy of Monitor posted this
Also got and read Freefall, but that may be on FFG's site, I can't remember

Currenly reading Golem, finished Strange Flesh it's okay. Has a bit of a case of Deus Ex Noise. Tallie Perrault has a big ass.

>messed up my spoiler there

>>50144088

Freefall is not bad. Basically the original board game as a novel of sorts, albeit with a different ending.

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>>50144154
Eh, it's another adjacent scenario, though I think only a couple of the suspects are retained

But yeah, I think all the novels so far are fairly close to detectives, which makes sense with the board game.

But yeah, it's okay.

I'll definitely also be looking to get Exodus and Monster Slayer, and I might as well pick up Monitor, but that's last on the list.

They'll all probably make me want the same thing though - an Android RPG.
The fan-made one linked to on the fan wiki (Crime Did Not) looks like shit though.

One thing that Strange Flesh really did do well was emphasise how clones are not people.
Also Hiro is such an asshole.

>>50144088
>I got Strange Flesh and 2/3 Identity trilogy books from /anrg/
Would you happen to have the link for this? I remember seeing it last time but I don't think I downloaded them for some reason.

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>>50144693
I don't but I made a Mega so they're up here:
Strange Flesh
https://mega.nz/#!z59BjaIa!Hnfvsp98egAPP9VarlJrvteOQYpnJ7rIDZQxNfrK7FM

First 2 of the Identity trilogy
https://mega.nz/#!XgMzWAyb!VZJBq2ajBICKBVxJHK32oksum41TLHcH5xU5N3Xlu8g

>>50146282
Neat, thanks, I appreciate it.

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>>50146625
No worries.

Currently playing a "fuck it" GRNDL deck, really kinda fun, but it needs improving - there's tracer ice, and it feels like it could use something else.
Get quite a lot of kills though, the old adage runs true: Snare wins games.

>>50146696
I play GRNDL "fuck it" without Snares, instead I do a lot of program trashing and Ark lockdown. Doesn't matter how much bad pub I have if they don't have the breaker to get in. It's a blast.

>>50147021
Also sounds fun. Kinda been wanting to try willo with program trashing, might use a more serious deck though

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>>50146696
GRNDL is great to trigger those early Snares.

>>50149717
It's also a good way to kill Faust players. Hell, I've killed Dan with one the one time we played.

>>50149717

GRNDL is really a great rush ID.

Always makes me mad when I hear the argument that you could be playing BaBW and play Hedge Fund turn one and you'd have the sae start, only iwth one less bad pub. I mean, with GRNDL you could be playing restructure turn one and have 15 credits.

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>>50149989
Certainly, I once got agenda flooded with hostile takeover. 2 of them in the starting hand, then another one followed.
4 bad pub by turn 4. But also 25 credits.

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>>50150145
>4 bad pub by turn 4. But also 25 credits.
Feels good to be bad, man, that's the Weyland way.

Is scoring 2 false leads a terrible plan? I'm thinking HHN, skip the Runner's turn, triple Scorched.

>>50150787
You only need 1 False lead for that unless they have Paper Tripping or Misdirection available (already installed or clicklessy tutorable).

Good luck finding all 3 Scorches and HHN.

MWL was a mistake. When all the OP cards are already in-faction, why would you need to import anything? The penalty is too small.

>>50150840
You're retarded. It can 100% be worse.

>>50150787

Making it a possible back up plan, accounting for the other synergies those cards could have in your deck? Fairly cool. Totally manageable I'd say

Making it your *main* plan? Wouldn't do that myself (oh, who a I kidding, I've done worse)... but well combo-y and highly specialized. Beware.

>>50150821

Localized products lines and Consulting Visit being a thing, that quite more manageable than some seem to think.

Certainly not easy, but not some herculean task either.

(And then you get Wanton-ed right after getting them).

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>tfw scorching runners on jnet while listening to Disney villain songs

Still annoyed we don't have full size scorched art

>>50152876

I'm reminded of the fluff insert on Little Engine for some reason.

Anyone knows what's going on with cardgamedb?

>>50152876

>what is superior AA Scorch

Dayum shame about no full bleed missiles in the champ deck, though SanSans are still awesome to have.

>>50152876
Despite it being a hero song, I'm now imagining "Never had a Friend Like Me," being sung by Mills instead of Aladdin's Genie. Then again, I hear no one can scorch like Gaston.

The Weyland Way: a scorch or two.
Shutdowns, corp towns, whatcha gonna do?
Crash spaces? Carapaces?
Money for my races?
"Welcome runners, take the thing! I. Dare. you."

I come from an alternate universe where HB Chronos Protocol won.
Chronos Protocol keeps Runner decks in check by preventing stacking win con.

>>50155419

>alternative universe

Truly that is so if that is favoured over ETF (and ark lockdown everywhere!).

>>50155576
ETF is nice but nothing compares to hitting a Corporate Troubleshooter Brainstorm combo that removes 15 cards from the game.

>>50155633
Do you also live in a universe where D4v1d never got printed?

>>50155680

6 cards isn't bad...

>>50155680
FFG ended Netrunner before D4v1d was printed in my universe.
The Collective started killing the meta and FFG releasing a full ban list killed the game when most the players switched to World of Darkness LCG.

>>50155767
Where is your dimensional portal gun and can you please take me with you

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>>50155767
I was born in the wrong world...

>>50144310

Wouldn't be surprised if the Dark Heresy mechanics get ported to this hypothetical Android RPG.

All NetRunner Party funtimes!

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Will this actually see play? I don't see it being played in HB.

The 1 influence makes it kind of applealing, but if I am willing to run a worse economic card (than Adonis) to save credits, I don't see why I wouldn't be willing to just play Pad Campaign.

>>50135656

Is Bulwark really that strong if it didn't have the Bad Publicity?

>>50158068
A self-recurring Launch Campaign? Almost definitely. Worst case it gets trashed forever (without recursion cards) for 3 from RnD, best case it pays out 6 credits every time you install it, shuffle it back in, then repeat until the end of the game.

>>50158068
Spark is in love with it.

>>50158068

Blue Sun might be alright with it as well I guess if inf is tight.

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>>50158100
Without BP would be nice, would probably make it actually alright.

I still need to test it in a properly serious deck, rather than DGAF GRNDL (where the BP is less of an issue), but from what I've seen so far:

Against Crims: kinda 50/50 - it's expensive, but they have the moeny, and they're also the derez faction, with Saker helping a lot. Also the usually good tactic of putting it on a central is less good when they have Breach

Against Anarchs: it does surprisingly well - despite being the fracter faction, with their breakers splashed so much it's not much of an advantage here. The fact that it uses an entire david is bittersweet - unlike curtain wall you're not using OAI with it, and it means they can't use david for any other big ice. The faction running AIs a lot is nice too, and AI really don't help against it.

Shapers: seem to be least bothered by it, though that may be because Stealth is the current hotness on j-net and stealth done even half-decently gives exactly zero fucks about strength (as I found with Blue Sun Sandburg, I'm guessing stacking midlevel ice might work)

Overall, it's not great ice. Not even good ice. But it's not as sucktastic as it may first appear, for a couple of reasons.
A big one is that pretty much everyone (not Stealth Shaper) at the end of the day is paying 6+ credits to go through, and they really don't want to bounce - it slows the runner down, especially if you put it on a central or commonly-baited scoring server.
Yes, it's "only" comparable to a tollbooth, which is 2 credits cheaper and doesn't come with BP, but tollbooth is NBN bullshit. And a bad facecheck will make it only a BP worse than Tollbooth (and probably trash something incidental instead of costing 3), which is still worse, but hey.

>>50155066
Nah, "Never had a friend like me" is for Consulting Visit - I wish I had a midseasons

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It arrived (when I was playing a game of netrunner no less), this legible enough?

Going to take a while to put into pdf though

>>50159234
ffs

>>50159234

No worries, take your time, and thanks in advance!

Don't get hit by a missile/rocket in the meantime.

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>>50155576

Funny typo... just imagining right now... the "Alternative Universe"

Test Ground in Aginfusion. The runner goes all in feeling secure for no redirect since all ICE is rezzed, trash TG and derezz. Redirect for the kill.

God I love the jank.

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Is it just me or is Mausolus a really strong piece of ICE? Even completely ignoring the advancement portion, a 4 rez 5str code gate with 3 subs is just spectacular value. It's porous, sure, and the subs aren't incredibly punishing, but still so strong.

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>>50162219
Yeah, it's actually decent. Someone obviously messed up and let a good piece of ice slip through for Weyland.
The parenthetical stuff looks like a cool future development though.

>>50158068
if the runner has sattleset slums, who gets to choose where it goes?

>>50163705
The active player, usually the runner.

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>>50165621

My, thanks a lot.

>>50165621
Cheers!

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>>50165621
Thanks man

Do you guys get the feeling that every cycle, every deluxe, the designers try to show a new archetype for the corps and runners (even if suboptimal), but nobody cares and just play the same old archetypes over and over?

>>50166510
Usually, yes, often no. See Cutlery, Stealth, tagstorm NBN, glacier Jinteki when that was a thing, etc.

>>50166610
Is cutlery good? I just picked up O&C and I'm going to try the prebuilt decks for funsies, but I assumed it would be pretty weak.

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>>50166889
One of the archetypes pushed by O&C is to destroy every piece of ICE in your path with cutlery and eater. And while doing so, you get to trash the top card of R&D with Gravedigger tokens, and HQ with Wanton Destruction.
Yes, that idea, by itself, is weak. It partially evolved into Keyhole MaxX. Faster, targeted, stronger.
On the other hand, just including cutlery to trash problem ICE is very strong.

>>50166510

Yeah, I do think the designers have been trying their hardest to come up with alternate ways of playing. Of pushing the envelope of the base design without breaking the game.

Sometimes it falls flat (but even then I'd say it's still worthwhile, try playing a Deva-only deck, not good, but really nice how it changes your whole way of playing) sometimes it's so good people think it broke the game (see the asset spam archetype) but most often I do find it offers ways to keep the game fresh, especially if you like to explore those new venues. And then of course with the way they've been scheduling cards, it takes very little to take a deck that is deemed "bad" (in the "not good enough" sense) and push it over the edge competitively (see how the DLR deck or even just Whizzard were deemed unworthy for so long, on that front... unrelated but I'm thinking with all the upcoming cards, damage prevention is finally going to get its spotlight), so it's never really a loss of time to at least engage in playing against those experimental decks I would say, even if you don't like playing or making them yourself.

Came up in a conversation with friends this afternoon really, it's nice how they've managed to expand the game for most profiles of players (with competitive-casuals being the exception I find as I've kept saying, my experience is that the game grew too big too fast for many of them).

>>50166889

Cutlery by itself can be very strong if well used - ICE destruction in general is.

Take... I don't know, Eli. Say you have Corroder out. For one credit more, you can Knife it out, so five credits and it's trashed, and it was the only ICE on the server, you now have three clicks to run for free on that server. Now, if you used Keyhole on that server for a whole turn, you just made yourself a 11 credits discount. The corp has lost three credits and a click on that piece of ICE, and it's gonna have to patch that hole meaning one less ICE to protect remotes... if it even has it.

>>50167187
>>50167026
How about Eater itself? I am very rusty, but are there access replacement effects that work well with it? I seem to remember that being a thing, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>50166889
Cutlery is quite good, but it shines when combined with efficient breakers like D4v1d, and AI like Faust and Eater

>>50167424

Well, access replacement is its bread and butter really.

Traditional cards played along include Keyhole, Wanton Destruction, Vamp & Account Siphon, Retrieval Run, Singularity.

Interesting, less played or upcoming options: Indexing, Top Hat (basically negates the non-access on R&D), Fear the Masses, Showing Off, Code Siphon (I've seen it done).


I realize I never met and thus have to ask about the Information Stifling/Eater interaction...

>>50167424
Yeah, little cards called "account siphon" and "keyhole"

>>50165621
Things getting super bad, especially since they're gunning down the NAPD too. Atleast there's mechas/power armors next pack

>>50167187
Makes me wonder if the cutlery suite would've been better if the effect was 'shuffle back into RnD' instead of 'trash'. Would've had the same effect while not removing one of the corp's 15-17 cards they are forced to include that don't do anything but defend servers.

>>50167890
>Information Stifling/Eater
Probably wouldn't work? Since you still can't access more than 0 cards due to Eater. Even in normal runs you do "access" cards, just that since you can only access 0, the run ends after not doing anything. Probably the same with Ash I think.

>>50167890
Don't forget Singularity, Indexing, Political Graphiti, and the shards.

Security Testing and Patron also fit the bill but aren't really what they're for. Although, I ran a Fisk deck that ran Security Testing on HQ to refund Fear the Masses/Bhagat runs. It was quite fun.

>>50168561

Singularity was there.
Indexing can work, but in my experience really is awkward with the Eater set up.
The shards are nice additions for sure, but I don't think the synergy's that strong (might be wrong on that).

Political Graffiti is the big weirdo for me. I want to play it (and as far as I can tell I'm one of the very few that do in the local community) I just don't know *where* I want to put it.

>>50168697

It's too bad political graffiti: costs 3 influence, can only target corp agendas.

For the love of jank I would have probably played it in Stirling to make myself temporarily lose an agenda point and then use other viruses to put the pressure on the corp to purge...

>>50168697
>>50168774
The biggest problem for me is the timing on them. If you try to pile them on to prevent the win, they just clear once and win. If you try to drip them the effect isn't enough and they just win anyway.

I had a dream last night as that Netrunner was an entirely online game with tons of interesting interactions that only work in digital format.
Such as a Jinteki Agenda that puts traps in the Runner's deck. Shaper having an effect that changes an ICE into a random ICE till the end of the encounter.

It'd be really interesting to see what we can do with a digital format.

>>50169637
>It'd be really interesting to see what we can do with a digital format.

F2P P2W skin-boxing practices on top of a subscription model?

>>50169873
I think the LRG model can work in a digital format.

I might just have been playing too much Hex but I love the things you can do in a digital format that you just can't in a physical game. Adding cards to the other players deck, transforming cards, fully random effects, etc.

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>>50171282
>not bumping with cardart or at least fanart

https://thewinningagenda.com/2016/11/09/episode-105-damon-returns/
Damon, still saying it's the players fault that big ice is kinda crap

It's like my one real beef with him, he agrees that big ice should be a thing, but ignores why it's not.

>>50171339
He's also fine with one faction dominating the meta for years on end.

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>>50171520
He never said that.
He never said anything either way.
But he'd probably blame the players again.

If it had been after Worlds I think there would have been a lot more NBN/Whiz questions.

Despite their dominance this is only the first Worlds win for NBN, and the Anarch that won 2015 (which was the Prepaid Kate meta anyway) was totally different to the one in 2016

>>50114905
There should be more Weyland Sharks'n'Suits

>>50171582
I listened to his commentary. He is absolutely fine with NBN as it is currently.

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Why does everything go to shit so often lately? Netrunner, other card games, communities, politics...

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>>50171620
How has netrunner gone to shit, save for the top tourney meta being ridiculously same-y?

If nothing else the spoilers show something will change in the near* future.

As for everything else, I blame 2016. Just an awful year.

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>>50171638
The balance is shit, and all the problem cards are in big boxes, so no rotating.

I have a small meta and everyone except one guy plays NBN exclusively.

At times like these I wish Netrunner was a computer game, where they could balance the cards with patches. They just need to clone Icefrog or someshit.

>>50171650

You're unlucky in your meta I must say.

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>>50171650
Be the change you want to see

By which I mean use peer pressure to convince those tryhard faggots to actually be adventurous in their decks, and play online as well maybe

>>50171974
I have a core set, some cards from the first draft set, 3 jacksons and a few alt arts. I'm not convincing anyone.

I don't really have the enthusiasm to play online, I doubt mediohxcore is going to Faust past my Tollbooth into a Snare kill again.

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>>50172001
>I doubt mediohxcore is going to Faust past my Tollbooth into a Snare kill again.
That's a moderately okay story, sounds pretty funny.

And playing online is easy as fuck. Also you get all the cards available, which is nice

But talk to the guys in your meta, suggest Core-Only games or Onesies, the former at least will especially benefit you.

I was serious about being the change

>>50172017
>That's a moderately okay story
I was playing HB, too.

>>50171620
>>50171638

I feel like that's a product of over-hyped IDs and people thinking they're "aware of the meta." if you watched the world's stream, they kept commenting on how everyone expected CtM but no one really brought tech against it.

To me, this is evidence of players who are really good pilots with decks that are accepted as good and they're familiar with, rather than people who are interested in trying anything new. Now, we're stuck in this reverberating echo chamber where people see Whizzard and CtM doing well, they can understand how and why they do well, and just play them instead of putting effort into trying to make Fisk or Adam work. This also eliminates all the options that are just bad match-ups against those popular IDs since they're so ubiquitous.

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>>50172025
Heh.

I played against a known name once (I actually forget who though) on Jinteki, wiped the floor with me and was kinda rude.

>>50172085
I think Worlds is a bit of a special case - it's very intense and you've generally put quite a bit of time and money into getting there, so almost no-one is using anything new: someone on leddit emphasised how conservative Worlds players are in the main, and how even some of the best couldn't wait for Worlds to be over so they could run some new stuff and jank.

The results though, yeah for a while that'll probably stick around, especially with how damn dominant it was. CtM isn't exactly easy to tech against, which doesn't help

So we are up to Honor and Profit. How the hell do you beat a scorched imaging deck?

They just start out with insane amount of money, so they do nothing but do build extremely taxing ice on central servers, which you cannot go through, until they have even more money and can either kill you or fast advance the shit out of you.

Account siphon and vamp is useless, because they have too much money and you can hardly get into their servers, not to mention getting tagged by siphons leads to a quick scorch death.

>>50171339
>expecting someone to upload images at 10 kbps
>at page 10
>while looking at the screen is upside down

>>50171650
>everyone except one guy plays NBN exclusively
Ouch. My FLGS had a small 5 person tournament recently and only 1 of us used HB, the rest played Weyland, though one regretted not bringing his NBN deck. Too bad jank isn't more encouraged in Netrunner, or atleast not enough that people would try it over netdecking the next big thing.

>>50172168
How do you deck against CtM by the way? Or NBN in general?

>>50172186
3 Plascretes, obviously. To be serious though, where are they getting their money from? You could try and getting rid of that faster.

>>50172287
>Too bad jank isn't more encouraged in Netrunner, or atleast not enough that people would try it over netdecking the next big thing.
It's not even that, the ~6 regulars that play NBN just like to play it (winning helps).

>>50172302

I like to play NBN. Funnily I notice a lot of the people who supposedly "like NBN" for some reason aren't as likely to test out, say, dedicated Market Research or Puppet Master/Matrix Analyzer decks...

>>50172287
Salsette slums and/or link for CtM. NBN in general is R&D control (believe it or not, record reconstructor helps). 24/7 flavour is more complicated.

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>>50172287
>upload images at 10 kbps
Where the hell are you, the moon?

NBN, you want to slow them down, make them poor and, of course, avoid tags.

One potential type of tech against them is agenda-forfeiting - in general NBN doesn't ice up well, but things like Artist Colony and Data Dealer can allow you to just bleed them of agendas until they just can't win. Though that often takes time.

>>50172520
>>50172330
>Where the hell are you, the moon?
Them sexbots at Eliza's are too good man.

Link and RnD control seems doable, probably need to redirect some ice out of RnD though. I hope Crim gets some tag avoidance/removal in one of the remaining data packs.

I know Shaper has some good agenda forfeiture combos, I don't think you can do anything with Data Dealer besides more money and less points though.

>>50172328
I like to play NBN too...

Spark/Encounter ICE with a side of advertisements feels so cool. Until they win the econ game anyway. Fuck your stealth and recurring credits.

>>50172584
>besides more money
Honestly always a good option in crim.

Crims have some tag removal already, but they could always do with more - pay for those expensive breakers and beat out any traces

>>50172743
Sure, but I just want something fancier I suppose, not that 9 credits is anything to laugh at. On the flip side, forcing the corp to forfeit due to not having enough agenda points left after hammering RnD sounds hilariously mean.

It's just that Flashpoint seems like a good cycle to showcase Criminal as the supposed best at removing/avoiding tags, so I'd be a bit sad if they didn't get any, especially when the Shapers get Misdirection (efficient removal of 2+ tags) and Anarchs have Obelus (survive tag-me). I'd like it if it was something like "whenever you access cards in a central server, you may pay 2 credits to remove the same number of tags as the number of cards you accessed."

>>50172850
>you may pay 2 credits to remove the same number of tags as the number of cards you accessed
remove a number of tags equal or up to the number of cards you accessed*

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2nd pack on mars
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/9/station-one/

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Crims got their R&D-HQ-Archives event, maybe a bit less unique than the others, but certainly useful in crim

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Non-unique and triggers off self-inflicted damage: mechanical oversight, or excellent theme?

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Drop a snare, if they ignore pick it back up and install and ice

Or pick up empty-remote ice and drop it to the top of ice towers at no install cost

Seems basic utility, but still useful

>>50173805
I'm really digging this new face of anarch cards. And I like the criminal cards shown so far. Triple derez is very cool.

>>50173805
Trashable on paid ability, not too broken, excellent for trashing the whole HQ the moment you are tagged. Brain cage is your friend, also stimhack and amped up. Drug filled runners finally becoming a thing?

>>50173531
The combo on Los' ability with Forced Activation Orders is really nice, I love forced rezzing. His ability + the dude from the last pack that gives you 2 on a rez + compromised employee = paying back for the derez on a Raptor breaker.

Oh Khan, looks like your birds are heading to Mars.

>>50173993
Too bad it's 3 influence, Weyland could probably make use of that for free installs over gearchecks. Though I think there's one coming out anyway?

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>>50174262
>Though I think there's one coming out anyway?
One what? The ice that installs more ice?

Yeah, gaining 2 for derezzing and 2 the first rez each turn is pretty neat.

>>50174573
A Weyland card that lets you uninstall and/or install stuff en masse, but I guess I remembered that wrong. Weird. Would've been nice to use with Liquidation.

Imagine a world were we all are playing Doomtown: Reloaded instead.

>>50175038
That would be the darkest timeline.

Really digging what we've seen of Mars so far.

Both Clan Vengeance and Counter Surveillance have that DLR retro-feedback feel I find irresistible.

Definitely will play.

Fall Guy and Wireless Net Pavillion seem like the will become Anarch staples.

>>50175910

Probably won't play Wireless myself. Not unless I have to. I kinda understand why they had to make it - SYNC if only, but god I dislike that card and what it means as far as econ balance is concerned.

>>50173805

As I was saying, that heartbeat + full cyber deck is looking more and more appealing.

Hadn't occurred to me, but shouldn't we basically look at Reina Roja, Nasir and Los as a trifecta of sort, similar to Kit/Quetzal/Nero?

Just realized we now know MCA informant costs 4. Can't make up my mind about how fair that cost is, one way or the other.

>>50174150

I'll definitely try yet another StimDealer variation for sure, at the very least.

Exploit... hmmm I wonder how much ol' man Keung could make use of that.

Counter Surveillance opens a new interesting option: selective access of Archives.

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>>50176380
>Just realized we now know MCA informant costs 4
Yeah, that's not cheap.
Also we won't know for a while if it works with Troubleshooter, which would be a huge thing

>>50176386
Huh. When is the corp supposed to flip cards up again, when it's successful I think? That's an interesting use, alongside running a remote and accessing only the agendas and not any Prisecs. Thank goodness it requires tagme, I just hope that the benefits of going tagme is properly countered by the downside this time. DLR is going away post-rotation right, or will it still be around for a bit?

>>50179766

DLR is on the rotation bandwagon.

>When is the corp supposed to flip cards up again?

>Access Phase
>Archives
>The Runner accesses all cards in Archives and any upgrades in its root. The Runner turns all cards faceup before accessing them, and does not need to keep them in order. The Runner steals all agendas in Archives and cannot trash cards that are already in Archives. After accessing Archives, all cards in Archives return to Archives faceup.

>>50179766
>I just hope that the benefits of going tagme is properly countered by the downside this time.
Haha, no. The only factions that can properly punish are NBN and Weyland. Weyland you will have your plascretes and IHWs, easy peasy, only NBN might be a problem, but then you have Mars for Martians to recover from Closed Accounts.

>>50179980

Exchange of Information, The All Seeing I, Psychography, Data Ward, Information Overload, Market Research... NBN has more than enough options to punish tag-me.

Weyland is far less versatile and granular, but things like Crisis Management or Door to Door introduce some interesting wear down options.

>>50179926
So you don't get to see the face down cards first then. Still a lot less dangerous than running into an Archives with face up Shocks I guess.

>>50179980
Damn. Atleast Weyland is getting a rock though, even if it is 5/2 to score. We just need to survive a cycle that has DLR, Obelus, and all the other things.

>>50180081
The Runner turns all cards faceup before accessing them, and then he chooses the order on which he accesses the cards.

>>50180570
Counter Surveillance replaces the access though, so wouldn't they not be able to turn any cards face up since they don't enter the Access Phase?

>>50172287

they are getting all money from subliminal messages, hedge found, restructures, green level clearences, celebrity gifts and then just getting all 3 copies back from archives, whichever they use up first, cant do anything about that.

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>>50180752
What, HB?

Also, new thread time?

>>50180752
Celebrity Gifts is interesting, they won't have 3 Jacksons since they wouldn't be able to import tagging and multiple Scorcheds. Decoy can avoid a SEA Source attempt, and a single Plascrete should survive double Scorched, 2 for triple, though only way triple can hit is 2 counters on Vitrivius and tags from last turn, like Midseasons. Keep your cards up and keep your econ high, force them to spend those credits on either rezzing those ice or Siphoning them.