/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General

>>50092153
So, what's a good way to make use of the Lizardfolk's ability to make a bunch of free Javelins, Darts, or Shields? What class can use those weapons the best alongside the Lizardfolk racial features?

Would it be possible to make a good profit selling them?

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> QUICK /tg/
I have to initiate two persons this sunday, with one or two veterans in it.
What do I run ?

Would a Lizardfolk druid learn about emotion?

>>50092247

Generic "fight kobolds in the nearby mine". Alternately, a /5e/ revamp of White Plume Mountain.

>>50092270
Veterans will be bored to hell. Can you summarize White Plume Mountain? Why is it good?

All class is fine! Yes, even bladelock! You might be suboptimal but you will still be useful to the party! Play whatever you like!!

>>50092267
I don't figure a Lizardfolk would learn much about emotion if they mainly lived in the wilderness and didn't spend much time with other races.

A Druid is a prime candidate to still follow the description given in the book closely. One would have to interact frequently or acclimate to a society to really pick up on it, and they'd need to be raised by another race for it to really be second nature to them.

Taking requests for Volo's Guide to Monsters.

Keep in mind that I will not be scanning the book, as I don't have access to a scanner.

>>50092298
Mammals has emotion. So they could learn it from animals too.

>>50092337
post the coolest thing you haven't seen posted before

>>50092212
You forgot to count crits and to add 4/20x(8.33+15)

>>50092337
Any good beast form for moon druid? We already seen Deinonychus and Cow

So are aasimar like angelic souls in human bodies now? Rather than celestial blooded humans

>>50092365
Seconding this

>>50092365
>>50092382
I want to know too, especially CL 2 and 3 forms

>>50092337
Quetzalcoatlus please.

>>50092380
No, they're still celestial descendants but now they have someone talking to them in their sleep.

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>>50092356
Random Beholder tables. I actually find this pretty interesting.

>>50092388
>especially CL 2 and 3
Any dinosaur with CL 2 or 3?

No Firbolg?

>>50092359
Chance to crit once in 4 attack is
1-(0.95^4) = 0.1855 isn't it.

>>50092423
>>50092356
I actually love beholders, thanks.

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>>50092403
Dinosaurs part 1

>>50092348
I'm not sure if they'd learn it from animals, since animals wouldn't quite have the ability to explain the concept. They'd probably regard any friendly mammal as just a bit brain-damaged with how blindly trusting they can be.

That said, I do wonder if a Lizardfolk wildshaping into a mammal would overwrite that and suddenly allow them to feel basic emotions. It'd be interesting if they turned into a dog and wandered around towns to experience it further.

>>50092290

> literal funhouse dungeon
> built inside an active volcano
> small map for "quick" sessions
> neato loot (blackrazor)
> sphinxes, vampires, giant crabs, kelpies

>>50092452
>Chance to crit once in 4 attack is
1/20x4 I would say, no?

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>>50092469
Dinosaurs part 2

Also I'm posting from a laptop now, I have absolutely no idea why they're still sideways. Sorry everyone.

>>50092509
Chance to not crit = 95%
Chance to not crit in all 4 attacks = 0.95^4 = 0.8145
Chance to crit at least once in 4 attacks = 1 - 0.8145

>>50092469
Dimetrodon wasn't a dinosaur, it's more closely related to us humans than to dinosaurs.

>>50092534
>the only CL 2 form is shit for combat
>no CL 3 dinosaur
>CL 4 and 5 dinosaurs dont have multiattack

well, at least we got Deinonychus...

Anyone got the fluff page for the Firbolg?

>>50092478
Sounds exciting. Where can I find this?

>>50092388
>>50092449
> CL
> Caster Level
animal can cast spell now? I'm just messing with you, cutebutt

>>50092607
http://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/Volo_Firbolg107.pdf

This?

Can the anon with VGtM please post the cow page? I need it for a friend...

>>50092628
wow, I'm so dumb,why the hell I wrote L?

>>50092534
Quetzalcoatlus also is not a dinosaur, though it is not closely related to us. I hate how people think it (or it's relatives) became birds when actually it was the raptor line of dinosaurs like deinonychus and archaeopteryx.

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>>50092534
>Velociraptors are accurate

>>50092469
>>50092534
>velociraptors and deinonychuses instead of jurassic park "raptors"

im so glad

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>>50092356
More Beholder stuff, now with alternate eye beams

>>50092613

dnd dot rem dot uz

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>>50092423
This is now my favourite thing.

>>50092337

>>50092403
>Quetzalcoatlus

Seconding this.

>>50092638
Holy shit that doesn't look like old Firbolg at all

>>50092509
>>50092359
Let's add that anyway
0.25*93.32+4.66 = 27.99
0.35*92.5 = 32.375

Crossbow still win. Delicious Greatsword tear.

>>50092654
Oh damn I thought it was coatl that we were getting.

Any new deities in this book?

>>50092337
Elder brain stats please?

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>>50092643
cows

>>50092669
see >>50092534

>>50092660
JP raptors were correct...at their time.
Back when the book was writen there wasn't differenciation on velociraptors and deinonychuses, for paleontologist they were the species just different mature states. it wasn't till 1994 where the differences were made. Movie just copy pasted it from the book.

I would like to request Neogi

>>50092709
That and they thought "velociraptor" sounded cooler and easier to pronounce than "deinonychus".

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>>50092700
more cows and rot grubs, straight outta 1e

>>50092682
Except your fighter has two feats and the melee only one.

Yeah I though Quetzalcoatlus was a stronger type of Coutal. Like the god they were named after

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Currently scanning page 167 of 224. Then I have to flip a bunch, crop them, OCR the whole thing, then add bookmarks.

>>50092337
Did they change thr Goliath mountain born thing to give cold resistance too?

>>50092700
How good is a Cow for an Animal Companions/Mount?

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>>50092741
>>50092534
For something this big I expected more

>>50092696

This i want to see something with high CR

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>>50092742
oh thank god I need a scan. I already sold my copy

>>50092696
elder brain

>>50092219
The ability is useless. It's only there for minor flavor and has no meaningful mechanical benefit.

>>50092753
Hahaha, no, Tritons get it because "water is cold yo", Goliaths don't even if ice is cooler.

>>50092742
Thanks so much

>>50092736
Rot Grubs look really dangerous

>>50092776
Could we get Neogi too.

>>50092776
Sweet. Does it have lair actions?

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>>50092725
neogi part 1, sorry for the wait but I'm doing them in the order that they were asked

>>50092837
take your time, we're all grateful for what you're doing

>>50092762
You can't get large beast as companion. Rothe might work though.

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>>50092837
neogi part 2

>>50092780
One of the many problems with these new races, add to that the natural armor from lizardfolk working even when you wear armor (when draconic sorcerers don't) and other stuff that shit on previous rules

>>50092837
>>50092886
I love spidergeese

>>50092337
Elder Brain, Alhoon, and other mind flayer things in whatever order you wish.

>>50092889
Well in the Lizardfolk's case the hard scales that are part of their body are not going to go away just because they are wearing other armor on top of it.

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>>50092820
It absolutely does have lair actions

>>50092337
I'm actually curious about the NPCs, especifically the different kinds of wizard. Abjurer, Necromancer, etc. And the Elder Brain too, please!

>>50092471
> Be a lizardfolk druid
> Be a dog in town
> Some human pet me
> what is this warm and fuzzy feeling

Sound like a pretty cute story

>>50092837
>Neogi aren't good eatings
Good to know we're getting the important lore here.

>>50092889
Yeah. There's a lot of things here that ignore precedents, and it's kind of annoying. Doubly so because now homebrew rules will be even worse with everyone pointing to these for precedent.

>>50092923
That's the same case for a Dragon sorcerer though. That AC comes from having scales.

The main benefit I see from it though is that it can let you wear magical leather armor and reap all the benefits without having to sacrifice your better AC.

>>50092742
youre a true beast

>>50092700
>>50092736
Many thanks.

>>50092923
>Well in the Lizardfolk's case the hard scales that are part of their body are not going to go away just because they are wearing other armor on top of it.
Something that can be said of draconic sorcerer and any other race previous Volo's lizardfolk with scales.

I also don't get why barbs lose their muscless and monks their wisdom if they wear armor too.

>>50092742
do you think you'll be done tonight?
i have been so absurdly hype for this for a while so i cant help but ask

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>>50092930

can i see the goliath attributes for PC's?

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>>50092925
>>50092902
for the elder brain, see >>50092924 (You) and >>50092776 (You)

Here's an alhoon and illithilich

>>50092337
Whats the kobold section got going for it? Anything interesting?

>>50092971
Monks could be argued that the armor is too constricting to move fluidly, even in the lightest cases. Barbarian made less sense, but at least before you could argue it was mainly for balance and thematics so you could run around shirtless like Conan.

The Lizardfolk thing is a minor, unnecessary change that just screams 'abuse this'.

>>50092742
OH SHIT YEAH SON

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>>50092925
Here's a big mind flayer. Now for a few NPCs.

>>50092982
>for PC's
Taking into account they never were releases form monsters.
+2 Con +1 Str
Once per short rest they ignore 1d12+Con damage
Powerful turd
Immune to cold weather aka I saved 1 silver coin on coat aka useless stuff
Athletism proficiency

>>50092975
Now I wonder if Lizardfolk druid will wildshape for fun... emotion could be like drug for them..

>>50092709
true, but then it persisted for three sequels and now the popular conception is still big featherless deinonychuses

>>50093065
>featherless
JP3 disagrees

>>50092763
Yeah, I had a quetzalcoatlus in a campaign i ran and it was CR 6

but it was also twisted by evil mayan vampire elves, so that may have affected its deadliness

>>50093040
I could easily see that happening. Being able to experience love or happiness in such a way, only to change back and it be more of a distant and vague memory. It'd probably be rather addictive, and I could see them wanting to spend as much time in wildshape as possible.

>>50093073
A few ridges on their spine based on sex doesn't really count as "feathered."

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>>50092742
You da man.

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>>50092925
Here's a badly taken picture of an abjurer and an apprentice wizard. The asterisks on the abjurer mark abjuration spells

>>50093073
They should have continued it or gotten even more dinos feathered for JW

>>50093082

Or see emotion as an interesting tool, sometimes having emotions is useful to survival, and to gain further insight into the world. Perhaps contemplating the merits of the newfound emotion.

>>50093040
You still keep your mental stats don't you? Your brain wouldn't suddenly gain the ability to formulate emotional bonds unless the magic of friendship overrides that.

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>>50092925
And here's a necromancer and swashbuckler

>>50093114
Emotion is a chemical reaction.

>>50093134
Is there a creatures by CR page?

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>>50093139
Shut up, Woolie.

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>>50092998
I mean, before this book I didn't know that kobolds believed in reincarnation.

>>50093114
Well.. when your brain suddenly formulate the ability to fly,swim,breathe underwater,keen sense of smell, jump 90ft or spellturning via wild shape...

I don't think formulating emotion is a problem

>>50093114
You keep your mental stats, but it's heavily implied that the emotionless nature of Lizardfolk is more of a physical aspect to them, due to their coldblooded nature.

While it's not clear how exactly this would work, I do really like the idea that a Lizardfolk who transforms into something else would find themselves suddenly able to feel. How they react could vary from person to person, though it's an interesting idea for character development opportunities. I could even see it being an overarching character goal for them to change into a different type of humanoid so they could feel.

>>50092638
No, the other page.

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>>50093149
yep!

>>50093191
I missed the lizardfolk page being posted, was just curious and drawing conclusions from what others had said. Thanks for the explanation.

Would love to see the martial artists NPC

>>50093208
There's a link in the OP, if you're curious.

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>>50092678
They totally look the same to me

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>>50093218
Here ya go, along with a master thief

>>50092985
Cool, cant wait for the entire scan but this and elder brain is enough for the moment.

>>50092219
There is literally no way. Once they make thrown weapons count as melee attacks and make darts do poison damage by default(just 1d4 even) then Barbarian will be pretty cool with them. Until then, the ability is basically "always have a shield if you have the materials" so I'd say a sword and board fighter.

>>50093254
>Adept
>Is actually better than most monks
Kek
I love how they don't have ki and do all of that at fucking will spamming 3 of those effects per turn freely

>>50093246
Well shit, I completely missed that, thanks.

Wish I didn't have to wait til the 18th for my physical copy to arrive.

>>50093290
Hmm...yeah, that makes sense. Best I had thought of was to use a Javelin and Spear as a Barbarian or something to have high physical stats for the racial bite and armor, but that's kinda meh.

There really needs to be a Fighting style or feat for ranged weapons, or just something to make them more usable as a focus.

>>50093296
>adept
>not very good at (thing)
It's worth 4 level 3 monks so I'm not sure how you are so confused.

Got anything for gnolls? I saw them in the races category but haven't seen anything yet

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>>50093354

I missed lizardfolk post. Can anyone summarize or link for me?

Is it possible to fluff them as some kind of automaton? Maybe with Sun Soul Monk for a hand cannon flavor.

>>50093254
>can disarm when he can already stun
stupid

How about the archdruid?

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>>50092678
>>50093250
Yeah, they're entirely the same!
I don't know why people think there's some difference between the 5e Firbolg and the old Firbolgs.
Just look at this perfect example of a hippie-druid.

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>>50093354
more gnoll goodness

>>50093386
The link is in the OP

What you said though has me imagining Warforged based off of Lizardfolk though. Strong natural bite attack, durable natural armor, and no emotions.

Sun soul Monk might work with a bit of refluffing, though being able to punch people unarmed and fling bolts of light could certainly be described as built-in weapons.

>>50093409
Closer to the original mythology, tho.

>>50093343
for starters it can spam stun 3 times per turn

>>50093409
>they were big humans barbarians
>now they're big blue gnomes
>the same

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>>50093354
big gnoll

My final request is that i would like to see the Yuan Ti Anathema and the Babau demon.

As a goblin PC, what level can I consider my character a goblin king?

is there any more on firbolgs other than what was leaked? even just a paragraph or two?

>>50093462
Whatever level you attune to a mythic codpiece at.

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>>50093354
demon that gnolls can summon

>>50093462
I would say around level 4 or 5, but that's more just the power level where you could probably take on a sizable group of goblins solo well enough to claim to be in charge.

>>50093462
Shouldn't even meeting the requirements to be considered level 1 make you an elite among elite goblins?

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>>50092664
I'm hoping for a random flumph table.

I'm also hoping for a setting book for the entire Underdark + Plane of Shadow.

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Post the highest CR monster in the book!

>>50093442
i like the new ones better
not the same guy

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>>50093419
The problem with that being that Forgotten Realms had its own mythology involving the giants and their subtypes. Firbolgs being one of the more important factions despite the fact they were considered scum for not being true giants.
5e throwing that out in a book called Volo's Guide to Monsters is a bit fucking ridiculous.

But not surprising, given Storm King's Thunder took a massive shit on Giant Lore, and I heard the other adventures were much better for FR lore.

>>50093442
Sarcasm mate. But yeah, it bothers me too, I miss my honorable fighters who live by "The Code"

Prakt, Strev, Rang, glang byrd.
Stomm rang glang du.
Blod ettin er blod kong
Gi tusen val nul.
Trut zund stommpaart.

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I hate to reopen this can of worms, but I'd like a clarification:

Pic related is the official ruling on shields as holy symbols and how they relate to somatic components; if you use a focus (such as a holy shield) to cast a spell requiring material components, you can also use the same hand for somatic components.

But what if the spell doesn't require material components? Can you use your shield hand for somatic components on a spell like cure wounds (V/S only?)

Would you rule it different for arcane foci, which have no utility outside of being foci?

>>50093504
he already did, it's the lich variant on the alhoon

>>50093416
Holy shit yes.

>>50093518
weren't much better*

>>50093418
Thanks man!

Wow.. this might be a better fit than I thought... I could fluff darts as micro-missile and explain how I restock them during downtime...

>>50093513
sure, but they're so different that I don't get why they don't make them a new creature

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>>50093456
anathema

>>50093525
ah shit
sorry

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>>50092700
My druid might pick up cow as an animal form.

I'm going to have to ruminate on it for a while...

I regret nothing!

>Forgotten Realms will never have a plane as cool as Xoriat

Eberron book when.

>>50092293
I agree. If your DM is a decent human being, he isn't going to shit on you for it.

>>50093537
Because this book is trying to cash in on the FR name.

>>50092337

Got any Orc player race stats and fluff?

>>50093523
No, if a spell requires somatic components but does not require material components/focus, then you need a free hand, meaning no shield, focus, or whatever in at least one hand.
If you have warcaster then you're okay under any circumstance.

>>50093523
I would be as a RAW faggot as possible just to pay with the same coin for allnthe shit I had to deal with

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>>50093456
babau

>>50092700
I just want to summon some cows with conjure animals...(Wolves do way less damage even with their increased to hit, but they are medium so they are still much better in closed quarters)
AC 10 is bad
but
15 HP
and the biggest selling point
+6 to hit 3d6+4 damage on a charge
3rd level slot = 8 cows = 8*14.5 = 116 dmg
5th level slot = 16 cows = 16*14.5= 232 dmg
7th level slot = 24 cows = 24*14.5= 348 dmg
9th level slot = 32 cows = 32*14.5= 464 dmg
Each of these is /round if all of the cows hit. I would say that being a druid rancher character would be pretty fun when you use "summon stampede"

>>50093557
I like Eberron more as well but the Far Realm basically covers Xoriat. Eberron just made cooler inhabitants that could be in the Far Realm.

Can I see a copy of page 106?

>>50093442
>>50093518
>>50093409

Warcraft Furblogs are cooler anyway

>>50093569
Seems fair, if a bit disappointing. I wanted my warlock to use his kickass magic rod to cast eldritch blast. At least the free object interaction thing makes stowing and retrieving your focus easy.

>>50093571
I'm 70% sure that's not english.

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I know no one requested this, but I just wanted to share this illustration. These things look so cool and muscular.

>>50093569
If you're a master of the crossbow, a crossbow expert for lack of a better term, would you allow shield+hand crossbow?

>>50093479
So what would a 20th level goblin fighter be considered? Emperor of goblins?

>>50093589
Unfortunately when I took pictures of the races a couple of threads back I didn't take a picture of that. There was a bit of additional lore and a small table explaining why a firbolg would become an adventurer at all, but I didn't think to take a pic because it had already been released by WotC

>>50093618
I would not. Gotta have a free hand. As a DM, though, I'm a bit of a stickler when it comes to rules, for the most part--except those that I disagree with.

>>50093645
oh where can i find it?

>>50093615
Guard drakes are pretty sweet. Neat how the White one seems to have the most benefits. Seems like White dragons would be the ones to make them most frequently.

I wonder if Metallic guard drakes would be a possibility?

Can I attach a wand to a crossbow?

>>50093618
Not by default but I'd make a magically reloading hand crossbow as a reward for later in the campaign to make the combination possible.

>>50093636
I think you're underestimating what an accomplishment hitting level 20 is.

A 20th level Goblin would quite possibly be the most powerful Goblin to ever Gobble.

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kobold sorcerer. Statistically a kobold burrow should just be lousy with these guys

>>50093650
so you can nigga hand signs with a shield and a weapon to cast whatever but even after spending a feat you can't reload a hand crossbow with your shield hand

>>50093661
Seems like a waste of a wand and a crossbow just for a pointy improvised weapon but I don't see why not.

>>50093636
Well, 'goblin king' usually isn't that major of a deal, as it can sometimes be exchanged with chief as far as hierarchies go. I usually percieve goblin kind as meaning they rule over a sizable tribe of 50+ goblins in a cave.

By level 4 or 5, a player could earn that sort of status as the king of a tribe, but from there it's a matter of assimilating other tribes until you're the king of all goblins.

Basically, being a goblin king has a baseline, but doesn't have a real upper limit.

>>50093618
Are you a caster? no? then get out of here.

>>50093680
The gods aren't as picky about manual dexterity as gravity is so, yeah.

>>50093600
Well, if you're a pure caster, you really don't need anything besides your focus (which you don't necessarily even need in your hands, such as a necklace), so the issue doesn't pop up that much except for clerics.

>>50093687
I want a spellgun

>>50093675
>makeshift leather wings

Adorable. All this kobold stuff is really making me want to include them more often as servants of dragons.

Challenge 1 also means those kobold sorcerers might stay relevant for quite a while.

>>50093680
>using your arm/fist motions to make some mystic shapes in the air
>vs basically threading a large needle (and pulling the 'thread' from your quiver) with a heavy-ass shield on your arm

>>50093706
I'm a blade pact warlock with EB as a ranged option.

>>50093706
Or paladins, or druids

>>50093697
you know that irl people reloaded hand crossbows while holding their shields, right? it wasn't magic

I hate this, martials at best do remarkable stuff, casters outright laugh at the laws of physics

>>50093712
A wand isn't weighted to be fired from a crossbow and generally isn't designed to trigger on impact...

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>>50093737
>you know that irl people reloaded hand crossbows while holding their shields, right?

>>50093712
>put a javelin of lightning in a heavy crossbow

Holy shit aasimar seem like some bullshit.
Time to play one.

>>50093618
By RAW, you can wield it, and shoot it, but not reload it (ammunition property requires a free hand). So the choice comes down to X attacks with a twohanded ranged weapon at d10+dex+10, or a "one handed" weapon with X+1 attacks at d6+dex+10.
If you want a handcrossbow with a shield ask your DM.

>>50093717
Later happened a lot in reality, anon.

Also
>heavy as fuck shield
cause targes don't exist right?

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>>50093748
>magical city featuring ballistae armed with javelins of various elements and enfitted with runes of returning

>>50093744
go try to grab your mouse while having the cord tied to your wrist, anon.

>>50093557
>Eberron


Boy I sure do love playing Artificer: the setting

>>50093794
More like Nonstop Demon vs. Dragon Political Intrigue: The Setting

>>50093768
Moving your arm around to reload the crossbow would mean you weren't guarding yourself with the shield, negating the point of the shield in the first place.

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>>50093793
>>50093768
>>50093737
>people reloaded crossbows while holding shields in the past!
>no really, they did!
Look mate, the historical record doesn't agree with you, and no amount of bitching on 4chan is going to change the rules to justify your D3 demonhunter knock-off.

>>50093820
Moving your other arm to attack with your sword woul mean you weren't guarding yourself with the shield, negating the point of the shield in the first place... two can play that game

Also, moving your shield hand to make naruto hand signs would also negate the guarding, but because reasons (caster supremacy) it doesn't

>>50093721
I said pure casters not pure shit. Besides that only is a problem if you go sword and board instead of getting yourself a spirit glaive. Two handed weapons can be held in one hand while you cast. This also applies to two-handing paladins >>50093737 and druids, like wizards and sorcerers, don't need weapons. One arm on shield (if applicable), one free for somatics, focus on shield or necklace, and wild shape if you're done casting and want to melee (do not melee out of wildshape you goof).

>>50093573
Addition: If you can summon Ox then they can now also carry:
62 metric tons at 3rd
124 metric tons at 5th
166 metric tons at 7th
228 metric tons at 9th
Also Rothe exist so you can have medium sized cows with 2 less HP that provide their own fireworks if you want.

>>50093833
look at targes, retard, you could even twf and use small bows with them

>>50093874
>>50093861
It's magic granted by a fucking god.

>>50092736
Wait so seriously. Get hit you're dead. Better pray someone had restoration prepared.

>>50093861
You can still keep your shield facing forward while attacking with a sword. Same for making a fisting motion or a quick circle shape with your fist.

>>50093874
>>50093861
>WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!11!!!!!11!!!!!
Have you swung a sword in your entire life, you pencilnecked dipshit? A stick, even? Your counterarguments are insulting to my intelligence.

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>>50092742

Can you become a God in Faerun by having enough people worship you?

I recall that in Eberron, Warforged could worship and draw their power from the Lord of Blades, and he's just a 15th level fighter.

>>50093874
A tiny little targe isn't gonna give you +2 AC.

>>50093833
Historical record also doesnt agree with casting magic so what's your point?

>>50093915
>calling other people names for not having swung a sword
>taking pride in being a fucking loser who plays pretend fantasy naruto katana battles
get over yourself holy shit ive never seen somebody be so elitist about something so embarassing

>>50093930
It explicitly does, RAW.

>>50093915
not that hard when your intelligence is negative

also no, only axes

>>50093939
>naruto katana battles
Look mate, if you want to run D&D with katanas and naruto hand symbols there's nothing stopping you, but I can proudly say I have never participated in such a game.

>>50093940
And it also turn your hand into a stump RAW

>>50093940
A targe or buckler weighs maybe 2 or 3 lbs. RAW shield is 6 lbs. Flavour it as you want for your little shooty mcshield fap fantasy, but it's not intended to be a handshield.

>>50093930
Any shield ever, even one for pixies, gives you +2 AC, so yeah?

I really don't see why there's such a big fuss about being able to use a hand crossbow with a shield.

It only does 1d6 damage anyway. You can use Javelins for a similar result.

>>50092742
is scanbro still up and at it?

The demonhunter was a mistake.

>>50093980
javelins have a small problem called YOU CAN ONLY DRAW ONE WEAPON PER TURN

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>tfw you just can't stop

>>50093986
Scanning page 215. 9 pages to go and then the fixing-up.

>>50093997
Do Castlevania 1 but don't orient the head correctly.

>>50094006
You're doing the lord's work, son.

>>50093980
Because as we established earlier in the thread. Hand crossbow already out damage Greatsword. Giving it a shield ontop of that? Why would anyone use any other weapon?

>>50094026
If hand crossbows already outdamage greatswords, why arent everybody using them?

>>50094006
I love you.

>>50093680
Because unlike magic you cannot reload a crossbow one handed, and unlike what fiction tells you shields do not strap to your arm. Even if they did the crossbow would be blocked by the shield itself while reloading. There is a reason that no one used this tactic in real life and let me tell you it wasn't because they where stupid.

>>50094046
Because they're lady-sized. Real men use proper manly crossbows.

>>50094046
Because SS+GWM short longbow exist.

>>50094026
>Hand crossbow already out damage Greatsword.
>1d6 vs 2d6
>same chance to crit
>same number of attacks per round
>same chance to hit
>same potential increase in damage from feats
What bullshit logic am I missing here that makes it even possible for light crossbows to outdo greatswords?

>>50094046
because they're only better if you compare fighters, on barb they're worse, on paladin they're worse, on ranger depends, on monk they're worse and on rogue depends too

>>50094077
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that their range gives them more opportunities to attack vs. a greatsword.

>>50094066
What about.. Magic Crossbows?

>>50094094
Do magic swords let you stab people through your shield?

>>50094077
I think it's a matter of the Archery fighting style combining with Sharpshooter for more accuracy, along with Crossbow expert always allowing you the bonus action to make a 5th attack rather than being reliant on a crit or a kill, but I still don't see how that would make up the average damage for the dice being less than half.

>>50094077
+2 accuracy.
1 more attack 100% of the time vs 18.55% of the time.

We ran number already faggot.

>>50094094
not even magic, derro has a repeating crossbow

>>50094087
That and better target selection. On the other hand being within 5 feet of an enemy imposes disadvantage on ranged attacks.

>>50094046
One: Battlefield tactics don't work like that.
Two: Actual bows are cheaper.
Three: They aren't useful outside of a long range situation, and contrary to popular belief, do not make good clubs.

>>50094101
.. Maybe?

>>50094110
>1 more attack 100% of the time vs 18.55% of the time.
That takes an extra feat. Did you remember to scale back attack and damage accordingly?

>>50094130
>Three: They aren't useful outside of a long range situation, and contrary to popular belief, do not make good clubs.
But they aren't good at long range either since their range is only 30/120.

>>50094120
Even repeating crossbows have to reloaded via a wench of some kind. The repeating part only applies to not having to reload bolts.

>>50093996
just homebrew a feat/refluff crossbow expert, you can draw thrown weapons as part of your attack action, bonus action to throw a light weapon when you throw a weapon as part of your attack.

or something.

>>50094110
Except that to get those numbers with a hand crossbow, you need both Sharpshooter and Crossbow Master, while the Greatsword only needs Great Weapon Master.

Run it again with the greatsword having +1 extra strength or another feat to make it fair.

Hey wait, nowhere under the ammunition property does it say you need a free hand to load your weapon. You CAN use a hand crossbow with a shield!

You know what? I allow shield +hand crossbow, and the only one using it is the rogue. And the other rogue, who uses BB+SA+cunning action, still outdamages him

>>50094162
+2 acc is from the fighting style.

>>50094151
IRL they where used more to defend castles. Sometimes they where used in battlefield but archers could rarely afford them.

>>50094181
We know. The feat is required for the extra attack 100% of the time. Now recalculate.

>>50094159
they do, after 10 attacks, meanwhile you dont need free hand to reload

>>50092776
>>50092924
Holy shit Elder Brains are awesome. For starters they make use of Int and Cha saving throws, that's already cool. Then all the things they can do... Oh, I already want to include them in some campaign!

>>50094162
with hand xbows you get the dex modifier to both d6 rolls while with gsword you only get that once

>>50093887
It's a man who is trained in the use of weapons and armor and isn't mentally deficient.

>>50094181
So it's just crossbow master vs. Great weapon master?

Then you should be falling behind even more from lacking the Sharpshooter benefit. That +10 damage is going to pull ahead.

Do we have to do this again?

Base +11 to hit.
Target is Ancient Red Dragon: 22 AC

Greatsword (average damage 8.33 + 5 STR + 10 GWM), +6 to hit after GWM.

0.25*(4×23.33)+(0.185*(23.33)= 27.64 average damage

Handcross bow (average 3.5 damage + 5 DEX + 10 SS)

0.35*(5x18.5)= 32.375

>>50094180
>I allow

This is the big thing. Whatever works for your game is 100% fine because it's your game. The handbow fetishist anon is trying to straight up argue against RAW, despite the fact he is free to disregard it and go on his merry way.

>>50094161
>changing feats or creating new ones for that is ok, allowing shield+hand crossbow is literally Hitler

>>50094194
he's comparing the extra attack from sharpshooter with the extra attack of great weapon master, both being feats, there's nothing to recalculate.

>>50094202
I, for one, am ready and willing to rip off multiple settings to make one around illithids and their ilk the bad guys.

>>50092337
Kirin please! I need my chinese dragon-unicorns.

>>50094212
Yes anon, we're aware that your stats only apply to damage once per successful attack.

>Allowing GWM or Sniper in any campaign

Haha no.

>>50094177
Errata, anon

>>50094199
No the wench still needs to be operated to string the bow. The benefit comes from not having to dig through a bag to get a new bolt. At least IRL, I don't know how operate in D&D.

>>50093518

The Sundering does strange things to a firbolg!

Are you fucking people still going on about hand crossbows? sweet fuck

>>50094180
Rogues don't get shield proficiency doe

>>50094225
Sharpshooter doesn't give an extra attack. You're thinking of Crossbow Master, which doesn't give the -5 hit +10 damage ability, which is kinda important.

>>50094162
What other feat would benefit the greatsword, though? Maybe Blade Mastery from the UA?

>Bunch of close friends want tod reminisce and play dnd over Roll20
>I love then to death, but last time(s) i played with them, they fucking suck at coming up with reasons to adventure
>not even "why do I care about the mcguffin"
>just shit like "but I'm a blacksmith. I go home and continue my craft", or making a game at refusing my plot hooks
I remember that whenever I manage to get them past the first session, they start roleplaying incredibly, and just having fun
But how do I get over my/their autism to just fucking get started?
Is it valid to open a game with "You're a part of an adventuring guild that's already going to the mcguffin"?

>>50094235
If the errata is so official, why isn't it in the PHB? Checkmate, atheists. On a serious note, what's the exact wording on the errata?

>>50094222
Is not free to do it if he's a player though

>>50094221
Now, calculating it with only 4 dex

0.30*(5x17.5) = 26.25

What do you know? When you actually take into account how many feats they both use, it's lower!

>>50094234
>allowing people to play in your novel at all

Only a fa/tg/uy would do this

>>50094258
>Is it valid to open a game with "You're a part of an adventuring guild that's already going to the mcguffin"?

That's what I do for new players/inexperienced players.

>>50094161
Close-Quarters Shooter.
You do not take disadvantage for making ranged attacks in Melee range.
You may use your bonus action to make a single ranged weapon attack with a shortbow, handcrossbow, or thrown weapon attack any time you take the attack action.
You ignore the loading property on crossbows, and may draw a thrown weapon freely when making an attack with one.

>>50094243
Why not do the simple thing and have the hand crossbow use +4 dex instead of +5?

>>50094239
they do if multiclass/pick the feat

>>50094268
I mean, he's free to do it if he feels the need to have himself dropped from a game.

>>50094272
Why 4 DEX? Fighter has enough ASI to get 2 feat and +5 DEX pretty easily, especially at level 20. Just accept that your weapon of choice is shit and move on.

>>50094221
Subtract 5 from crossbow damage because the crossbow user is one stat behind. Oh, and add a little more damage to the greatsword because of of the two-hander fighting style that lets you reroll 1s and 2s.

Oh would you look at that, the greatsword does more damage now!

>>50094275
>Allowing people to take a feat statistically stronger than an ASI

Absolutely not.

>>50094258
>hey fuckos last time we did this you played a bunch of peasants who didn't even want to adventure. make fucking adventurers this time

If I see another post about fucking handcrossbows I'm delaying the Mystic UA until January

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>>50094299
>level 20

>>50094258
I flat out tell my players that their characters have to be adventurers as a job and that their characters have to stick with the party so their RP has to deal with that.

>>50094299
>Why 4 dex?

They were both at 18 in their preferred stat, and only had 2 feats left to spend. They spent the others on ability score increases and utility feats.

How is that not fair?

>>50094300
He's just going to snidely point out that the 8.33 already takes Great Weapon Fighting into account and ignore the bit about the ASI.

>>50094272
>>50094285
> trying to change goal post this hard
Greatswordfag is the worst.

>>50094307
>he allows people to play classes statistically stronger than an untrained dirt farmer

It's a game brah, let them have strong attacks

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>>50094018

>>50092247
AD&D 1e

>>50094264

The v1.2 errata is in the 6th print run of the PHB.

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>>50092742
Thank you, friend.

>>50094328
>said the snotnosed little brat insisting he should be able to play his shitty Diablo 3 character

>>50094328
>sets up faulty premise
>gets called out
>whines that he can't use his wrong math to prove his point

Handcrossbows should get 20 attacks per turn, amirite?

>>50094335
>Completely mandatory feats that invalidate entire fighting styles are interesting and fun

Nope

>>50094354
actually that anon is against that because "crossbew already stronk!"

>>50093915
Honestly your post right here tells me your intelligence is far lower than the person you're responding to.

>>50094300
why would one be behind one stat? it only takes 8 levels to hit 20 (+5) nobody is short on their feats or main stat even with the extra feat

>>50094361
>martials aren't allowed to have fun

>>50094258
My dm's have put forth a quest/job that everybody in the party has responded to. So we already are heading out on an adventure, and it's up to us to explain why. It's also how we all meet.

>>50094258
Have them leave town for a moment, then have the town blitzkrieged into the dirt. There, no more going home.

>>50094340
Fantastic

>>50094322
>>50094327
1) Do you accept that Greatsword is worst at level 20 though?

2) Lack of feat support make it a worst weapon than handcrossbow which is the point.

3) Since when did we have a "level limit" or "ASI limit"? You are just tring to move your goal post.

>>50093924
That's because the gods in Eberron aren't real and divine magic just comes from having faith in something.

>>50094368
So you're neglecting your hitpoints? Great, let me know how that works out for you.

Hey guys, I've been a little surprised by the lack of homebrew as of late, so I figure I might as well see if there's any sort of feats/archetypes/subraces/magic items that you guys are interested in that haven't been represented in the last few books or Unearthed Arcanas.

Any suggestions or requests?

>>50094385
Lich Prestige Class

Speaking of, making a level 1 Human Fighter.
Crossbow Master as my feat. Throw Net on target, Bonus action Crossbow in face. Free advantage for my allies, dude is netted. Option to otherwise make two shots at dudes at range.
This sound fun as fuck.

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>>50094370
Fun is relative.

>>50094361
>good things must be brought down because they are too good

How's that communism working out for you comrade? Fun and interesting style of dual wielding light hammer and sickle viable yet?

I don't understand the argument of the damage output of a crossbow vs a greatsword. Of course the damage output is better you have to take an entire round to reload, 2 if you get unlucky and botch, by the time you've done that the fighter has gotten 2 hits off.

How much reading should I do before running a 5e game? I have decent experience with 3.PF and want to make the switch.

Stop talking about pointless handcrossbow minmaxing bullshit and let's talk about my pointless minmaxing bullshit

Making a gish. He'll be level 9. Do I just go pure EKnight? Should I MC Wizard?

MC'ing Wiz would make me worse at combat but the utility from more spells known and rituals would be dope

>>50094400
You can only attack with a bonus action after taking the Attack option. I really don't think throwing a net counts as an attack, but maybe I'm wrong

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Do stats exist for matchlock and other period accurate firearms?

>>50094383
> Trying to change goal post again
Wow.. you really need to learn that it won't work here. Go back to /pfg/.

>>50094376
>1) Do you accept that Greatsword is worst at level 20 though?

Depends. Are you going to re-do the math to give them each the same number of beneficial feats? Savage Attacker is a potential candidate.

>2) Lack of feat support make it a worst weapon than handcrossbow which is the point.

Unless you do something silly like, oh, play a battlemaster, knock them prone with a maneuver, and then get free advantage with melee attacks.

>3) Since when did we have a "level limit" or "ASI limit"?

I proposed rules because you've been cheating towards your bias since square 1.

>>50094385
Things that I have been toying with in my free time, but wouldn't mind someone else working on:
>alchemist class or archetype, based on the Pathfinder class
>Fighter archetype focused on protecting others, potentially using DMG marking mechanic
>Monk archetype: Drunken Master
>Monk archetype: soulknife
>Tiefling subraces

all that math is nice and all but, IS polearm master+GWM better than sharpshooter+xbow expert or GWM with a greatsword??????

at least at lv1 with variant human, crossbow expert out damages great weapon master's bonus action attack's damage, and archery lets you out-damage the +10/-5 on average. extra attacks surely favor the greatsword but when you add in sharpshooter it again out-damages it, when they both max out their str/dex. this really shouldn't be that much of an issue.

>>50094421
they do, but they're awful. modern weapons arw good thought

>>50094431
Disregard me, the shitposting tonight burned me eyes and robbed me of my literacy.

>>50094328
I'm not sure he is. I agree with him. I think you're just a min maxing faggot obsessed with "winning" d&d and you think you've finally done it.

>>50094383
It'll workout fine because

1. im doing more damage
2. im at range shooting the bbeg shit and eating cheetos and getting handjobs and ale

>>50093660
The dragon doggos do seem pretty cool.

>all this arguing about handxbow vs greatsword
>and here I am with my 5d8+25 with a whole extra 1 AC and while needing an extra magic weapon
T-two weapon fighting guys!

>>50094419
The net description says something hit with it is restrained. How do you hit something without attacking?

>>50094421
I think there is one in DMG?>>50094419
Didn't we already answer you question like 2 thread ago. We already told you "No, don't multiclass, REEEE". Go pure Bladesiger if you want to have utility and be tankygish.

>>50094452
What if

the bbeg has ranged attacks too?

>>50094006
Cant wait bro keep it up
This board owes you a great deal

>>50094452
>2. im at range shooting the bbeg shit and eating cheetos and getting handjobs and ale
>implying the BBEG doesn't have more movement than you do
Get wrecked, scrub.

>>50094462
Just take the one handed version of GWM you baby.

>>50094006
Thanks anon! I'd offer blowjobs but I'm pretty sure you don't want them from a dude.

>>50094452
>getting handjobs

You need a free hand to reload bro

>>50094462
at least you aren't a monk
>wooo look at my 4d10+20 and MAD skillz

>>50094468
Thought it only had renaisance and modern firearms.

>>50094459
Yeah. It's a shame they aren't available as animal companions. They're neat. Plus having different varients for different types of dragons means that you can have a lot of fun with them having different appearances.

>>50094361
Is GWM really that good? I decided to pick up lucky instead for a barbarian I made. I'm pretty pleased with it. I don't read guides or anything. I just make what seems fun.

I was thinking about getting it at a later level or something but I wasn't sure how good it was.

>>50094488
Just take the unarmed version of GWM you baby.

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>>50094483
>I'm pretty sure you don't want them from a dude
You know what they say about assumptions, anon...

>>50094470
then i still outdamage the greatsword fighter

always remember, im always outdamaging the greatsword fighter forever and ever

>crossbow has two feats
>great weapon user only one
how about PM or savage attacker? you know to not make this biased as fuck

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>>50094484

>>50094396
Sounds nasty. I'll give it a shot.

>>50094437
I like Alchemist as an idea, but everyone has so many ideas about what they should be. I'll probably leave that one alone for now. Drunken Master would be cool though. Also, did you check out the Unearthed Arcana: That Old Black Magic? It has two Tiefling subraces in it.

>>50094509
Don't you have an mmo to be playing?

>>50094510
shh it's just time to shitpost this thread to death, in the next thread all the handcrossbow autism will be gone

the whole argument is moot because what sort of GM would actually allow someone to take Sharpshooter

>>50094500
desire to know intensifies

>>50094406
Battlemaster Fighter. TWF fighting style.
Use battlemaster dice to inflict saving throws and effects both at melee and ranged via hammer-throws and sickle-cuts.

Beastmaster Nu-Ranger. TWF fighting style.
Gain damage off Hunters Mark while bringing great utility to your party. Combat output is a little lacking but your pet makes up for it. Can also make plays such as restraining strike both at melee and ranged using hammer throws.

Vengeance Paladin. Armoured fighting style.
Extra attack from TWF scales well with divine strikes and more chance of crits to explode smites with. Can also use hunters mark and make plays such as retraining strike, or other paladin-smites both at melee and ranged using hammer throws.