Devotion Paladins vs Vengeance Paladins

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>How would you characterize Devotion Paladins vs Vengeance Paladins? What's the fundamental difference that separates them?

>>50092034
Superman v Batman

>>50092059
Batman's not really a good example, he never kills even when it would save countless lives (how many times has the Joker escaped Batman?). He's as goody two shoes as they come, wearing a bat costume doesn't make you a vengeance paladin.

>>50092124
Superman and Punisher?

>>50094515
more like Cap America and Punisher

>>50092034
In practice, the players who play vengeance paladins usually do so because they're afraid of being restricted by a code of conduct and they're under the impression that vengeance paladins can just do whatever they want, whenever they want. Devotion paladins are only played by the hardcore experienced roleplayers who understand that playing a fundamentally decent person isn't that scary at all.

>>50092124
But Batman acts based on feelings rather than ethics. If he were interested in making Gotham a better place and actually reducing crime, he could do that as Bruce Wayne by fighting poverty. But no, he wants to personally punch criminals because they make him feel bad. It doesn't matter that Batman is provably counterproductive and creates all his own villains. What matters to Batman is how Batman feels.

>>50098216
>>50098247
Ehh someone with logic, I'm scared.

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>>50098247
> If he were interested in making Gotham a better place and actually reducing crime, he could do that as Bruce Wayne by fighting poverty. But no, he wants to personally punch criminals because they make him feel bad.

>>50098551
who left a child with that person

>>50098216
>because they're afraid of being restricted by a code of conduct

alternatively, they've been burned by shit DMs who get their lols by making the paladin fall at every opportunity because they did(not) kill orc babies or did(not) oppose the king

>>50098551

Not the anon you're replying to but regardless it is true. Batman is the Tony Stark of DC and he could leverage his vast wealth into many programs and organizations to do good and influence the government in positive ways (actually the movie does have him utitlize many organizations he's made so props for that).

But deep down when you get past all the hype and wanking about batman being a paragon of virtue and being CREEEDDDD! He's as much of a psychopath as any of the other freaks from Gothem and is simply empowered by his own sense of self rightetousness.

I mean honestly, what better warden to keep the other freaks in line then another freak?

>>50092034
New Testament vs Old Testament

>>50099357
Thats a suprisingly good comparison

>>50098247
Bruce Wayne does fight poverty though. The bat thing is a side gig.

>>50098667
To be honest, this is why I think Batman goes so well with film noir themes.
It doesn't make sense for him to beat up random criminals when he could be tackling crime on a larger scale, but it does make sense for him to do it in order to uncover information on whatever new supervillain/conspiracy/mob boss is threatening Gotham and use hs detective skills to stop them.

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>>50092034
Vengeance Paladins aren't Paladins

>>50098629
>Not launching into session long debates with the GM about the intrinsic meaning of the words "good" and "justice" and the competing concepts therein.

>>50101779
>Not launching into session long debates with the GM about the intrinsic meaning of the words "good" and "justice" and the competing concepts therein.
Only pseudo-intellectuals are interested in doing this.

>>50101791
>Only pseudointellectuals believe in/study ethics

I actually agree with you.

>>50092051
You see this post, /tg/? You see this fucking post right here? This is where the thread should have ended. The fucking PHB defines what a difference between a devotion paladin and a vengeance paladin is. There was no need for further discussion on the topic.

Fucking /thread