/edhg/ - EDH/Commander General: Trash Pet Cards You Can't

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>>50068014

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>>50068014
Pic related

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>>50068014
Fuckin' darksteel myr, man.

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>>50068014

How bad is Ayli-lead, B/W clerics?

So I just responded to a lethal-and-change attack with Boros Fury-Shield and Radiate.

I like this deck.

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>>50068014
>Trash Pet Cards You Can't Bring Yourself to Cut Edition
The one card combo

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I like the random aspect and I've killed a Narset player before with it. Also recently I casted it three times on an Erebos player and he also scooped after the third time because I milled his whole deck. He did waited until his turn so I though he might had some instant speed put a card on top of the deck in hand but nothing.

>>50068096
On pepe.dek?

>>50068291
Sprout Swarm's not trash though, it's great.

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>>50068291
>Sprout Swarm
>Trash

>>50068258
could be fun for casual play, i wouldn't expect much more than that

>>50068309
>>50068300
It makes me do math

I might be warped on my view because I've only cast it after having cathar's crusade in play. which just makes things fucky

>>50068300
It's not even good in a gitrog deck. Like, the ONLY time I could think of it as 'good' is if you also have a way to immediately regrow your lands, or float the mana for an Armageddon right after or something, and even then 'good' is a stretch.

>>50068317
Yeah, Crusade does fuck up math pretty hard.

It's good because unless you're on the back foot and having to use it for a 5 mana chump blocker, it doesn't take long for it to turn itself into a free spell.

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>>50068096
>>50068300
>>50068318
combine that land with eternal witness and this and for LITERALLY INFINITE URAMIS

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I though at first it was three permanents but since I put it in the deck anyway it's been a good card. It's kinda political, I target three different players, including a threat and no one cares because it's at random and it may catch the right target. Also it can target lands.

>>50068317
Whenever I have to deal with Cathar's Crusade and multiple sets of creatures entering separately, I just move all the creatures into separate piles on my battlefield with a single die in front of each pile representing how many +1/+1 counters each creature in that pile has.
To me, it's a lot easier to keep track of than having a die on every single creature out.

>>50068300

I love this and I love Talent of the Telepath.

>>50068370
>Literally infinite
1) You'd need a sac outlet to get the Witness back in the bin.

2) This is a 4 card combo (Tomb, Witness, Sac outlet, Faith's Reward) that requires you to have at least 9 mana (4 for Faith's Reward, 4 + Tomb to activate Tomb) that doesn't even win you the game, because

3) Urami is Legendary.

>>50068384
Sure. The problem is in a token deck it takes about 2 turns for you to have "piles" for every number between 0 and 10.

>>50068419
just add blood artist and it's an infinite damage/heal combo

>>50068436
Oh boy, a FIVE card combo that requires 9 mana. There's surely no better way to use Blood Artist in a Junk deck.

>>50068455
im sorry it displeases you m'spike

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What do you guys think the stars of the new commander set will be?
Will they be competitive to previous commanders or has wotc tried to tone down the power creep?
What would you like to see in later precons?

>>50068476
>Stars
Atraxa. She's got the most potential and is the most popular.

>Will they be competitive
Not even remotely. Most of them will be PLAYABLE on some spectrum, but none of the 4 color commanders are anything resembling 'competitive', and I don't think any of the Partner pairs are particularly amazing either.

>>50068476
Faerie artisan is the star of the set.

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Does anyone else recognize the horns in the background?

>>50068476
Wotc is defiantly toning it down

And best cards are atraxa for obvious superfriends reasons.

>>50068526
Yes, we 'recognized' them months ago when Space Egypt was announced.

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>>50068526
oh shit son

>>50068535
>Space Egypt
The fuck does the space part come from?

>>50068527
>>Wotc is defiantly toning it down

good

now they only need to make playing the 2013 commanders punishable by death

>>50068610
I mean, you can just kill people when they play it. Politics

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>>50068630
i just don't understand what they were thinking with oloro

i wish i could have been on tg or wherever when he was spoiled. people have been saying that partner has been a shit mechanic, but "gain free value while this is in the command zone" is honestly pure format poison in my opinion

>>50068476
Yidris is my favorite for that sweet sweet janky multicascade combo

>>50068595
The floaty shit

>>50068520
THRASIOS

MY HERO

>>50068476
Just having an Esper Red general is bonkers for the colours alone. Atraxa will also obviously be popular. Yidris will be popular for the same reason Wanderer is.

On the partner end, Thrasios and Kydele seem quite good, and having a second card in the commander slot is just icing. I'll be curious to see what people will do with them. I also think we might be sleeping on Tana and Vial-Smasher. They feel like they'll be irritating if they get out the gate at a good speed.

Non legendaries have some nice cards. Draught is good. Artisans are good. Magus is good. Squire is good. Kite is good. Protector is good in multiplayer. The landcyclers are surprisingly good.

>>50068520
Ogre storm is better than Jeleva storm, arguably one of the most competitive decks. Breya wins with infinite colored mana. Atraxa might be okay for stax but why not just play leo and lock earlier? The other 2 are pretty fucking trash tho.

>>50068630
>Oloro generates value from the command zone
>Derevi's tax doesn't increase
>Prossh thrives on being recast
Sure.

>>50068526
I like how the boat literally has a bolas head.

>>50068476
I think Saskia will rise in popularity. She isn't the best out of the set, since I think Breya can be tuned very well, and gay kings will be ungodly frustrating, but I do think people are underestimating Saskia.

The cards aren't close to commander 2013's power levels, but they're above Dead Daxos and Kalemne. They also outclass most of the Planeswalker commanders aside from Daretti)

>>50068526
I hope they complete a Future Sight landcycle in Amhoket
The River of tears cycle would be nice

>>50068809
>forgetting teferi
>the strongest monoblue commander

>>50068476
From a competitive standpoint Yidris is probably the strongest, every storm color and if you connect with him it's over. Breya also has potential as a dedicated artifact combo deck. Atraxa is probably shit because she doesn't do much to win the game. Stax sure, but superfriends isn't gonna be fast enough to grind out. Saskia could be okay in french. Fag kings are trash at a competitive table because you just feed the combo players.

>>50068707
Anon, those are birds.
Birds fly. Mostly.

>>50068876
>it's over
Come on, man.

>>50068860
>Planeswalker Teferi being the best monoblue commander
>Not Arcum Dagsson or Azami.

>>50068899
fuck

>>50068920
Teferi wants to introduce you to his best friend, Stasis.

Teferi thinks you and Stasis will get along wonderfully.

>>50068876
From a competetive standpoint, that UG merfolk is the strongest, paired with whatever colors you want to best enable infinite mana.

>>50068876
Atraxa is a very efficient body even if you ignore the proliferate clause, I'm even considering running a voltron list with her.

Gay Kings are playable for the reason you just stated: their colours allow for Kiki-mite, Resto & etc combos and they just get you there while blocking the stompy player.

I feel like we're kinda forgetting that these guys are giving you four colours. Imagine if they were as powerful as the better legendaries in previous products while giving access to a fourth colour.

>>50068962
Yes, stasis is a combo with Teferi, but Azami and Arcum are far better at just comboing out and winning the game. If you want to play stax in blue, then teferi's your guy.

>>50068780
Either the general is a problem in which case the whole table elects to kill the player, or he is only a problem for you and your playgroup is much stronger than you are so get good.

3rd option: If they are strong enough to 3v1 the table and win every time you probably need to stop playing against them

>>50068887
Look at the tops of the pyramids. It's like we're going full Stargate.

>Even captcha is joining in on the fun, making me mark a house that was all pyramid-roof.

>>50068979
>Atraxa is a very efficient body even if you ignore the proliferate clause, I'm even considering running a voltron list with her.
Hell, even in the normal precon, it's piss easy to get enough counters on her to get a 2-hit kill. Sometimes even 1-hit if you get your counter increasing/doubling effects like corpsejack menace or hardened scales going.

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>>50068526
That looks tacky as hell. Why do they insist on adding weird floating crap everywhere? Basically you can't use half of basic lands because there are these weird eldrazi pyramids scattered all over it or some floating mountains. I mean look at this nonsense. And now they make more of it.

>>50068595
Planes exist as bubbles in the Blind Eternities. Which is basically space.

>>50068777
>Breya wins with infinite colored mana
What fucking doesn't?

>>50068847
LIKELIHOOD OF COMPLETION

River of Tears > Nimbus Maze > Horizon Canopy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grove of the Burnwillows

>>50068975
"It combos with infinite mana" does not make a fucking card good.

4 mana to Scry 1 and then Coiling Oracle is neat, but it's not like UG is hurting for value engines, and putting "4 mana, scry 1 draw 1" on an insanely vulnerable creature is probably a worse tactic than going with the indestructible value engine that is Kruphix.

>>50069193
>Basically you can't use half of basic lands because there are these weird eldrazi pyramids scattered all over it or some floating mountains.
What?

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>>50069255
These. I don't know what they're called.

>>50069193
>card game based on a universe with magic users everywhere
>muh realism
Shut up with your opinion.

>>50069214
Lots of commanders don't.

>>50069290
Hedrons, you mong.

>>50069294
And lots of them do. If your Commander is "competitive" because infinite mana works with it, that doesn't make it good. It might BE good, but not because of that.

By your logic, a 0/1 Commander that costs 6 mana and has zero abilities except "10: deal 1 damage to target player" is a 'competitive commander' because it 'combos' with infinite mana. Breya doesn't even combo with infinite mana, she combos with SPECIFIC infinite mana engines that also can churn out infinite artifacts for her to chuck.

Or, y'know, I could just play Sharuum.

>>50069293
It just looks ugly and ridiculous. It has nothing to with realism.

>>50069290
Why /can't/ you use them?

>>50069339
He doesn't know the word "Won't".

>>50069316
>she combos with SPECIFIC infinite mana engines that also can churn out infinite artifacts for her to chuck.
She sacs herself.

>>50069330
Okay, so you don't like those lands.
Then guess what, news flash, you don't have to use them, nobody is forcing you to use them, and there are plenty of other lands with different art to pick from all across Magic's 20+ year history.

But guess what else, most other people like them and use them.

So again, shut up with your opinion.

>>50069347
Alright, I'll cede that; for some reason I thought she said "Two OTHER artifacts".

Still, you need to be generating infinite COLORED mana, in 4 colors. Most of the 'infinite' engines don't do that. I'm not saying she doesn't combo, I'm saying that "Nurr she combos with infinite mana" doesn't make her good.

>>50069387
She combos on an Intuition pile though. That's pretty good.

I need to put together a deck with all the nonbasic hate cards. I think i'll call it the 4 color shuffle.

>>50069417
You know who else combos on an intuition pile?

SHARUUM.

EXISTING FUCKING COMMANDERS SERVE THE PURPOSE OF BREYA MORE CONSISTENTLY ALREADY.

>>50069485
Sharuum doesn't also fuck up combat like no tomorrow and embedded removal.

>>50069387
She also combos with Ashnod's Altar/ Krark-Clan Ironworks using Nim Deathmantle/Eldrazi Displacer
As well as Phyrexian Altar using Deadeye Navigator.
Which are all cards you'll want to run anyway in the deck. Plus there are tons of ways to generate infinite colored mana in an artifact deck.

>>50069522
BUT SHARUUM

>>50069485
Sharuum doesn't have access to red though.

>>50068014
Might I recommend http://www.mtg.wtf in addition to MagicCards.info?

>>50069565
I like https://scryfall.com myself.

Fairly high resolution.

>>50069498
I think you are vastly overestimating how useful "2, sacrifice two fucking permanents: Grasp of Darkness" is.

>>50069522
>she also combos with infinite mana and a way to bring her back over and over, or with Deadeye
So do lots of other things that aren't fucking shitty without those fifty additional pieces.

>>50069582
Oooooh, that's really nice.

>>50069601
Still better than Sharuum.

>>50069316
Sharuum doesn't have goblin welder.

>>50069633
I disagree. Sharuum combos out with Sculpting Steel or Metamorph + Disciple of the Vault/Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat/Bitter Ordeal, as well as having the ability to just regrow an artifact and present herself as a strong body for beats.

Breya has soft removal that costs you 2 permanents, and 'combos' with much more intricate and disruptible versions of the combos Sharuum can do better.

>>50069662
Sharuum is literally goblin without having to sac something.

>>50069662
Mono-Red artifact decks are all well and good, but I feel like they run a vastly different 'plan' than the Esper decks. I think throwing a handful of the red artifact deck shit into an Esper deck just makes it do two things poorly.

>>50069677
Sharuum is more combo than Breya, which seems perfect for a midrange/value deck where you play token generators and sac stuff.

>>50069607
Yes, and all those cards are good in the deck anyway. Breya herself is useful because she can act as control by sacrificing thopters and wellsprings until you get a combo running. She's far from the most efficient combo commander, but she's going to be very resilient.

>>50069711
>Sharuum is more combo than Breya
...yes. That's what I'm saying. People are touting her as a great combo commander because she "goes infinite" with infinite colored mana and ten other cards.

Breya is a weaker combo commander than Sharuum, and if your plan is to play shitty artifact-token generators that you can chuck 2 at a time for 3 fucking damage, you're gonna fucking lose.

>>50068847
I thought River of Tears plane was cancelled in favor of Theros?

>>50069736
They could still repurpose the card and the mechanic. They avoid named-places lands most of the time for a reason.

>>50069684
Yeah but I want to sacrifice something to activate effects.
>>50069703
Esper and sharuum are good but having 4 colors gives access to completely new staregies due to the number of colors that are available.
I don't understand why people are comparing breya to sharuum. Of course they're different. They are completely new strategies, meaning that the decks are going to be different.
A shitty anology is kaalia and alesha. They both revolve around combat but their engines are different since one relies on the hand whereas the other is the graveyard. Same concept with breya and sharuum. Both are artifacts but they play differently

>>50069731
>and if your plan is to play shitty artifact-token generators that you can chuck 2 at a time for 3 fucking damage, you're gonna fucking lose.
That's what I meant when saying midrange/value though, and I think it's perfectly doable. There's a lot of support to use her as removal/timegainer and win with other stuff too (like Marionette Master).

Things I like:
>my boy kalonian hydra got a reprint, and I'm going to take soul responsibility for that because I recommend him to literally everyone
>Ydris seems very fun and janky to play, while not being horribly unbalanced

Things I don't like:
>Partner is silly and difficult to rationalize unless you're curving into both partners as your game plan
>these decks are poorly constructed and the mana bases are way to clunky

Overally:
>4/10, not awful, but I had my hopes up for something much cooler.

>>50069193
lol wut

floating hedrons and shit are literally the best part of the eldrazi flavor

>>50068526
>pic

Also I can't wait for Amonkhet. I've always loved Egyptian shit, and if we get even a handful of knockoff Egyptian Gods a la Theros, I'm definitely going to make commander decks around a couple of them.

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>>50070030
>forgot pic
oy vey I need a nap

>>50069830
"Perfectly doable", maybe. I'm not calling her unplayable. I'm calling her mediocre, in reaction to the people touting her as "the most competitive commander in the set" because she 'combos' with ten fucking cards.

>>50070045
I still don't know what anime is that.

>>50070271
Code Geass: Lelouch of the Can't Catch a Break

>>50070063
Breya's combo potential is pretty decent, why are you hating on it so much? Are you just upset that people can play something other than Sharuum now?

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How to build this fucker into a fun deck?

What can you abuse with cascade? I know you can make janky use of delve and split cards with it.

Why is his intro pack made like he is Nekusar (so many wheel effects) ?

>>50070400
No, I'm just confused at how people look at that clusterfuck of mediocre abilities and justify her as having "combo potential" because she serves as a shitty Goblin Bombardment.

>>50070418
>Why is his deck full of wheel effects?
Gee, I dunno, why is the deck named "Chaos Reigns" full of chaotic spells?

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>>50070418
I'm just trying to build the jankiest, most chaotic Yidris deck you can imagine. No real win condition, only jank shit for teh lulz. A few examples of the stupidity I want to pack:

>Conundrum Sphinx
>Choice of Damnations
>Thieves' Auction
>Dubious Challenge
>Unexpected Results

Building it has been fun so far, but I'm starting to hit the point where I'm running out of dumb shit to play.

>>50070476
I don't see Rivals' Duel

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>>50070456
Cause people with more imagination want to build more decks rather than use the same old strong comanders

>>50070456

A shitty goblin bombardment that goes in the command zone, also it's better at killing creatures than goblin bombardment

Oona isn't a good card but it's a good commander because infinite mana is easier to assemble than infinite mana + infinite card draw, and having a way to use infinite mana in the command zone is nice

Also Breya puts 3 artifacts into play when you cast her which is useful

I don't really think her abilities are mediocre

>>50070512
She does three things badly. I don't want something that does three things badly in my command zone just becuase I always have access to it.

>>50070577

She doesn't do 3 things badly though, you just need to build around her abilities with lots of small artifacts

What other commanders can kill creatures at instant speed like Breya can? Not many

I don't think Breya is top tier I just think you're exaggerating her weaknesses

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>>50070493
I need MORE jank. I'm talking Eye of the Storm/Hive Mind/Aetherflux Resevoir-tier jank.

>>50070466

But how does it win? These are intro packs for new players.

>>50070951

Wheel them 5 times then beat down with consuming aberration

>>50069736
RoT was made for notTheros. NotTheros was dropped in favor of Theros for reasons

>>50070951
Cascade into kill spell

How bad is Circu? I so badly want a deck that plays uniquely, and he looks so interesting.

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Post your Atraxa decklists.

I know you have one.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxas-best-friend-circle/

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>>50068526
Looks good except that fucking anubis-head. Really dropped the ball on that one

>>50071129
He's pretty damn jank, my friend. At least your non-artifact spells can super mill though. Not that it's much of a consolation.

>>50070418
Is that the biggest version of his art we have?

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>>50068526
>That goat skull person in the lower right

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>>50071313
I think THIS is.

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>>50071362
Best art of the 4c commanders

>>50070418
>How to build this fucker into a fun deck?
Mirror Gallery, BoS, SoF&F(maybe), Clones, extra combat step spells, Resonator, Wanderer, tutors, powerful spells under 7 cmc that hit face
Cast your deck with Wanderer and all the cascades.

>>50071313

I believe so.

So I guess a fun yet semi effective way to play him is using
>Wheel effects
>Delve
>Graveyard shenanigans

And some other cascade and split cards.

>>50071158
>Burgeoning and Exploration with 35 lands and very little early draw
Anon pls, you're hurting me

>>50068992
Teferi goes infinite with The Chain Veil, so is just as easy to combo with as those two, but has a stronger early-mid game as well.

>looking at prices for previous commander products
>meren still retaining near msrp value while everyone else is cheaper
>look at 2014 decks
>Nahiri at fucking 60 bucks
What the fuck, man. What are the print runs for commander products like?

>>50069253
It's part of what makes Tasigur and Oona good commanders.

>>50071514
Check out your Wal-Mart or target. They often have marked down sealed product.

>>50071129
Never played him but "Exile 1 Card" seems real underwhelming vs anything that's not Relentless Rats or Shadowborn Apostle

>>50071635
Hey, sometimes it's exile 2

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My friends are looking for new ways to play commander and one of them stumbled on this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z18FphWLLuQ

These guys took a landless deck and set it off to the side and used the rules in pic. The players were still opponents but its supposed to also be a sorta team game. My question is would this be fun if using any other tribal or does it seem as stupid as it looks?

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To spice things up a bit, I did some math.

Out of the five main commanders..
>three females
>one gay couple
>the only "normal" male is a monster
Out of the fifteen "partner" commanders..
>eight are female (3 non-humans)
>one gay guy (Ravos)
>six "normal" males out of which 2 are monsters, 1 is black (2 if you count the weird shade Ludevic is in)

So in total all there are 55% female, white cis males account for 10% of the commanders (15% if you count Ludevic)

When will Wizards realize that the reason women are not playing MTG is not "the lack of representation", but because people at official magic events are elitist snobs who drool over females or refject them.

I get diversity and shit, but a female war-leader should be an exception not the fucking norm (Reykan, Saskia). At least make them monster-women, because no fucking Mongol orc would let a lanky tranny lead him into war.

Even the fucking Jacestice League is 60% women.

>WaifufagsNeedNotApply.

Well, idk about about u guys but i thought kaladesh was a terrible set

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What are your favorite re-animator generals?

>>50071987
Karador is a pretty cool guy.

>>50071861
Kaladesh was a great set
Just not for Commander
Or any Eternal format for that matter

>>50071859
Ravos is straight but your whole post is bait anyway

>>50071490
Huh. That's a decent point. I guess I'm just so used to putting them into green decks. Thanks anon.

Any other criticism?

>>50071861
Stop posting with a name. You did it in your other thread

>>50072032

It is not bait, if it is true. Sure I made it to entice a reaction from spergs, but I still believe this is a problem (not a big one).

>>50071859
Why do you care ?

>>50072053
You do realize they can go at things in more than one way, right? Just because they're putting something other than "all straight white men, all the time" as characters doesn't mean they can't ALSO work on the elitist sexist culture at official events (which, believe me, they are working on).

Is working on the toxic culture permeating Magic players as a whole probably going to do more to bring in female players than representation in cards? Yes. Does that mean they can't ALSO work on representation alongside that? Not at all. And hell, maybe seeing characters that aren't all just straight white dudes will scare off the most toxic assholes (I have legit seen people quit the game because of things like "the fag statue" from Theros, or non-white elves on Kaladesh), and maybe exposing the not-so-toxic people to other characters will make them think twice about being shitty.

>>50072180

I like playing with cool cards that have cool art. I also like my cards to not push a marketing driven social agenda.

>>50071859
>no fucking Mongol orc would let a lanky tranny lead him into war
He would if she could kick his ass.

>>50072235
>I'm mad that there's characters that don't look like me

>>50072235
>I also like my cards to not push a marketing-driven agenda
Then quit playing games made by a for-profit company.

>>50072241

She wouldn't be able to. Females being physically superior to monster men is where I draw the line for fantasy.

>>50072258
Imaginary progressive browny points do not equal profit.

>>50071158
I really wish there was a wallpaper of her.

>>50072327
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you knew more about marketing a multimillion dollar franchise than the people at Wizards.

No shit it doesn't just immediately equal profit, but do you think they're just doing this shit on a lark? They're doing it because they think it'll increase either the raw profits, or the long-term lifespan of the game. They're not doing it just to piss you off.

>>50072328
There is, friendo

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/media/wallpapers

>>50072300
I find it telling that "A woman being stronger than something with a dick" is where you draw the line, rather than something like "A housecat being stronger than a trained soldier", or "Fifteen pigeons are as strong as an eldritch god"

>>50072327

If everything you think was true then you should be able to get a job at wotc because you're clearly superior to their entire market research department that came up with his strategy of theirs that you hate so much

>>50071859
>assuming Ravos is gay just because you're attracted to him

>>50072452

>hands off my man, God of the dead

>>50072469
>Backstory explicitly uses a female pronoun for his lover

>>50072489

I was speaking for the lover girl

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>>50072351

I am not saying they are. They are just following a goofy trend which alienates the core audience of their niche product by marketing to a group who is not interested in it.

Look at Marvel comics. Korean Hulk, Black teenage Iron Man, Female Thor, Muslim Captain Marvel, All-female super hero teams. All have significant sales drops since they changed what the core audience (males 15-35) want. Compared to last year (or earlier, if the change happened a while back) the sales for all those books have dropped, even though sites like tumblr and kotaku praise them.

Making MTG "avengers" doesn't work. Pandering to keyboard warriors who are interested in their own agendas doesn't work. They have even stooped to adding 100$ bill into every 144th booster pack, so people would just buy their shit.

>>50072518
The only people getting 'alienated' that there's too many icky girls in their game are people who nobody should be catering to.

Boo fucking hoo, you're no longer the only demographic people care about. Get over it.

>>50072382

Sorry friend, you can't even get a spoiler card, if your personal twitter includes tame right wing opinions.

>>50072563
>I'M ENTITLED TO SPOUT OFF WHATEVER STUPID SHIT I WANT WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSIONS

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>>50072551

there's a reason why Marvel is doing way shitter than DC with comic sales right now. They are pushing away their core audience with shit like this.

>>50072551

Yet, I am the only demographic that cares about them.

>>50071158
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ill-remain-under-our-antique-sky/
Access to four colors has prodded me to make a primarily colorless deck.

>>50071987
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/buy-one-get-one-dead/
Bruna, fading light.

>>50072588
Again, I'm sorry for thinking that the people who literally make a living doing market research for a multimillion dollar enterprise might, JUST MIGHT, know more about how to market than some random asshole on the internet who's throwing a tantrum about there not being enough fucking white dudes in his game.

>>50072588

Lol is that real?

Anyway comics aren't popular anymore in general, not surprised sales are dropping

>>50072586

>Tame right wing opinions like illegal immigration, not wanting Syrian refugees in a calm and argumented manner
>STUPID SHIT FUCK HIM! BERNIE SANDER 2020!

>>50072619
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

Numbers don't lie.

>>50072630
>Telling refugees fleeing a civil war to fuck off because all brown people are terrorists is "tame"
>Get mad when a company who owes you nothing doesn't give you something you feel entitled to because your stupid shitty opinions don't mesh with their values
Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

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>>50072620

yes it's real. marvel has been doing this shit for a while and their sales numbers reflect the effect it's having.
>>50072619
no one is throwing a tantrum dude, it's basic discussion that you seem to be taking way more serious than any one else in this thread.

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>T1 Ring, Crypt, Panharmonicon and Mountain
>T2 Godo, grab Sword of the Animist and Greaves, start wrecking people and ramping like crazy

Fast mana is absolute bullshit early game but my God is it fun

>>50072653
So, first off, correlation does not imply causation. Is their drop in sales BECAUSE of their wider representation? Maybe. It might also just be poor quality of products (for example, last I checked the new Ms. Marvel was very popular once all the racists were done rage-shitting their pants over her being muslim; maybe some of the other titles just aren't very good righ tnow).

Second, TCGs aren't comics. Magic has a history of being a bit of an insular boys club, but it also doesn't have 50+ years worth of handling female characters so poorly that there is a fucking trope name for "murdering a girlfriend horribly to generate drama".

>>50072687
I see people frothing at the fucking mouth that WotC would dare "pander" to a demographic other than "White dudes in their 20s".

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>>50072687

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>>50072518
To be fair, the Ms.Marvel namesake is probably the most interesting in a long while. No one gave a shit for Carol when they gave her the new series. Kamala is basically Spider-Man for a new generation and teenage Spider-Man is good shit.

>>50072717

>implying i'm white
>implying i'm the original guy you sperged out over

get over yourself

>>50072619
youre %100 percent wrong, i worked in marketing 1st at Nintendo and now at a casino chain. %80 of people dont know shit about anything. the biggest issue is when your boss who maybe was good at his job 30 years ago is still in charge of everyone

large companys always get over bloated and die, your argument is fucking stupid. you can say this dudes a retard and provide evidence but your current attitude is one of the biggest fallacies facing society today.

>>50068780
What about Marath and Jeleva ?

>>50072662

Saying that European countries (like Germany who takes in nearly a million) should not take as many refugees as they due because it causes a financial burden on the country and that we should not ignore event like what happened on New Years Eve at Cologne, is not a wild and outlandish idea. If you can't see both sides of the coin, you should diversify your news outlets and acquaintance/friend circle.

>>50072759
Fair- I didn't mean to imply that someone knows what they're doing just because they're paid to do it, and there are absolutely people who are paid to do a job they have no idea how to do.

I was just trying to say that between some random dude on the internet and someone whose literal actual job it is to do something, I'm going to err more on the person whose job it is to know what they're doing.

And hell, even if you really did work in marketing for Nintendo and a casino chain, marketing those things is not exactly the same as marketing a TCG.

>>50071859
>hen will Wizards realize that the reason women are not playing MTG is not "the lack of representation", but because people at official magic events are elitist snobs who drool over females or refject them.

>BBW comander when?

>>50071987
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>>50072759

I am arguing the same point as you, but this sounds like the adult version of "you have to catch 99 ratatas to get Mew. My dad works at Nintendo". Not saying you're lying, but still it's funny.

>>50072767
It might not be wild and outlandish, but Wizards chose to use his right-wing leanings as reason to not associate with him.

Guess what, buttercup? They get to do that. "Right wing" is not a protected class. They don't owe him a goddamn thing. They could decide they don't want to give him preview cards because they think his face looks stupid. Would it necessarily be a wise choice? Probably not, but I can understand why a company that's trying to project a progressive and welcoming image would choose to sever ties with someone who shows what they feel to be conservative and non-welcoming leanings.

>>50072235
Holy fuck you're retarded. If I were a Wizards shareholder I'd be laughing even harder right now.

>>50071987
Meren

>>50071859
There's 5 members of the Gatewatch for each color, at least one sex was going to be more than the other. Also Nissa identifies as treekin, so check your fucking privilege you disgsting cis scum.

>>50071859
What you need to realize is that said representation doesn't actually scare off most cis male players, because most people aren't triggered, oversensitive babies who ask themselves "how am I offended by this"?

>>50072898
Exactly. Most people see a black female character being added to their game and proceed to not remotely care. Some people see that and go "Holy shit, someone that's somewhat representative of me!" and appreciate it. And a fractional subset of salt-powered manbabies threaten through Mountain-Dew-froth-flecked lips to abandon their hobby if "Jewzards of the Cuck" don't immediately cease their SJW pandering.

>>50072759
It's true that just because someone does it for a living doesn't mean they know what they're doing, but it was 100% correct to assume that wizards knows what they're doing than some random faggot on 4chan. You have to assume one of them is more correct, and fiven no other information, I think the answer of who is clear.

>>50072808
It is not that I think they have no right to do that, I just think it is not a good choice. I am a bleeding heart liberal who promotes animal rights over big farms, but I don't like a company who I pay money to shut down people just because they disagree with them.

Sure, if some youtuber was like "Fuck dem BLM niggers! Fucking ape people", they should cut him off from any events, but alienating people who respectfully disagree with you is wrong.

>>50072943
They didn't cut him from events. They didn't publicly shame him. They didn't ban him from shit. They just stopped giving him preview cards because they didn't like him promoting their product.

I thought girls didnt play mtg because it's mtg. Nerd culture and popular culture may be pretty close at the moment but things like ttrpgs and card games like magic will still get you looked at funny outside of the circles of people who already like it.

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>>50072926
I didn't even know people were angry about black elves until I saw people bitching about it on /tg/

>>50072975
Wtf i hate elves now

>>50072975
Woops. was meant for >>50072898

>>50072974
The number one reason girls avoid it is the toxic community.

Case in point, the shitbird whining that there's not enough boy characters in the new set.

>>50072975
WHAT MORON WOULD EVER BE ANGRY ABOUT CHOCOLATE ELVES

>>50072943
And again, you're wrong. The hazy, comfortable middle ground that attracts both men and women is most profitable (Mario, Zelda, etc) because most "minority friendly" moves don't actually scare away that many majority players. White guys who are actually triggered by black or female characters aren't actually very common. You gain more than you lose in other words.

>>50072943
>I am a bleeding heart liberal
Ballsy move, admitting that on 4chan

I am too

>>50072995
this wtf

>>50072967

It is still scummy to create a disadvantage to a person who spends his own time and money to promote your product. I could understand, if he let his "wrong" opinions seep into his MTG videos, but that is not the case.

>>50072974
I have seen quite a few girls in my kitchen table groups but almost none at the LGS, which should tell you it's not about the game itself.

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>>50072975
Destroy these disgusting eyeblight ape-elves

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>>50073051
Nigger blood disgusts almost as much as the foul creatures themselves.

>>50072997
While thats a big part of it i experianced myself, you also have people like my friend who, when my group just started picking up magic by ourselves (me and 3 other guys) he stopped playing because his gf and her mom told him it was gay. So it isnt just because their isnt enough diversity. You have to deal with the negative association of this kind of hobby as well as the negative experiences people have with certain antisocial people who play it. Thinking about it now that i wrote it out i bet a lot of the reputation is due to how people think of the players and experiances with them that reinforce that reputation.

>>50072227
>Calls post bait
>Baiter admits it is bait
>Take the bait anyway

>>50072997
Basically. I have female friends who wouldn't mind learning to play mtg casually, but there's no way you'd get them to participate in an FNM because the people there are generally pretty shitty.

>>50072974
Liking nerd stuff is cool, actual nerds can be a hit or a miss when trying to associate with them. Especially when the community has a bad habit of being toxic as fuck and setting up huge barriers to prevent people from entering zones they consider already their own.

This thread is a good example of of that sort of shit. Fuck, half of this fucking site is a prime example of toxic behavior and the nurturing of it.

>>50073130
Well 4chan as well as the other online communities are not bad unless you take that culture and carry it with you offline.

>>50072353
That version is ass though, since they unneedlessly added a lightning bolt graphic at the bottom of the art, ruining it.

>>50071158
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/made-compleat/

I think I wanted to make an Ezuri deck, but I don't like having another dedicated Simic deck.

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>>50071987
Chainer, the badass

>>50073027
How did they "disadvantage" him?

>>50073453

Having exclusive spoilers and interviews on your channel is a big advantage. Not everyone has to be "THISISALLAWESOME" Wedge.

>>50072662
This is the wrong board for CTR shills have you gotten lost?

>>50071859
>55% female
That's great, waifus for everyone's taste

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In my token, artifact, and trying not to put it in the Zada deck I'm currently building.

>>50071736
Did they give a deck list for the horse or is it just random creatures

>>50072923
>"Holy shit, someone that's somewhat representative of me!"
Now that's a meme right there. YGO is very popular among black people and there is barely any cards with black anime people in that game.

>>50073548
>muh hugbox

>>50073027
Removal of advantage =/= disadvantage. Unless you're a whiny little bitch.

>>50072723
Femthor was shit because she was written shittily. Guts Thor was the only good thing to come out of it.

>>50071158
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxa-likes-long-walks-on-the-plain/

Superfriends. Will probably require some more finetuning plus I still have to add some cards that hadn't been on tappedout yet when I made the decklist.

>>50071158
Working on one but I just wanna do counters matter rather than superfriends. Lotta +1/+1 counters, charge counters, storage counters, etc.

>>50073773
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33917_Commander-VS-.html

>>50072975
So fucking disgusting, the one on the left looks like an ape. Elves are supposed to be beautiful creature.

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Well this thread turned into a pile of shit.

You guys get anything good in the mail today?

>>50074216
Elves are supposed to be dead creatures, the color scheme doesn't change shit.

>>50068258
I actually have BW clerics with Ayli. It's marvellous. I built it for a new meta I entered recently and mainly for bar play. It annihilated the table, but that's not because it's poweful, others are just inexperienced.

>>50074282

waiting on C16 to release before I do an order. Hoping for some price drops though, current preorder prices seem pretty high.

>>50073857

Dude advantage and disadvantage are inherently relative concepts, so you're just straight up wrong on that statement

That said, I don't have a problem with what wotc did

Have about $400 to spend from a recent bonus.

I have about 10 decks of varying power levels, but no S tier deck. I would like one of them to be fully tuned.

I could buy a Gaea's Cradle and a FoW for Edric
or
Finish my mana base for Prossh

Edric always seems to be in the mix of top commanders, but i don't hear Prossh come up much anymore. What would you do?

>>50074282
Still waiting on my ashnod altars and liquimetal coating. Gonna try that infinite combo with breya

I want to play an 8 rack style deck. Who is the best commander for me? I dont want Nekusar

>>50074551
Build $400 Krenko

>>50074741

Leovold

so i just drunkenly ordered all of the C 16 decks for $140 on amazon. how pissed off should i be at myself tomorrow

>>50074551
I've always wanted a Gaea's cradle, but have never been able to justify the cost.

>>50074551
prossh imo but im thinking about fun first

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red pill me on this guy, is he as good as i think he is or meh

>>50074551

Gaea's cradle is necessary in both Prossh and Edric so it seems like a decent buy

>>50074769
I have used Krenko before, he is very fun, but doesn't satisfy my need for an S tier deck.
He just doesn't have the resiliency that the S tier commanders have.

perhaps I should clarify that I have the vast majority of the cards for Edric and Prossh, I just need about 300 dollars to complete either list.

>>50074838
He's great. Pillowfort tokens the deck literally builds itself.

>>50074838
It looks like he built a wall

So he can't be that bad

>>50074838

He's solid for a deck that goes wide, +2/+0 can be a lot of damage spread over lots of tokens

I'd still say he is fairly meh though because going wide with little dudes is a fairly weak strategy in edh, or a decent strategy with some crippling weaknesses, perhaps, and also Gahiji is sort of reliant on your opponents having a decent board of dudes to attack with as well or it's not super high impact when he hits the board

I know that it's off-topic but I don't know where I can post it, someone knows where I can download an Art of Magic: Zendikar pdf?

>>50074838
He's good. I'd rate Marath higher than him but you won't have any trouble making a decent Naya tokens deck under either general. There are plenty of good token producers and buffers in those colours so it doesn't really matter which of the two halves the general covers.

>>50074790
Depends on whether you're a poorfag or not. I make $140 in a few hours and happily bought all the C16 products.

>>50074609
>that infinite combo with breya
What infinite combo?

>>50074913
>going wide with little dudes is a fairly weak strategy in edh
That's just really not true. Cathars' Crusade and Craterhoof are perfectly fine win cons in EDH and there are lots of infinite combo wincons around tokens.

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>>50074282
>roughly two weeks before I assemble all the pieces for my Gay Greeks infect deck

>>50075440
>nonblack infect
That's retarded. You're retarded.

>>50075467
>implying the premise of two homos giving everyone at the table aids doesn't trump viability


You gunna get pozed

>>50075467
>t. Skittles

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>>50075520
So you're saying /pol/ are bad deckbuilders.

>>50075549
Skittles and several other things.

>>50075467
The most important colors of infect are green and arguably blue. I don't follow.

>>50069834
I'm trying to get a good partner commander deck going.

I was thinking of the Gruul + Selesnya ones, creating a bunch of tiny, unblockable, tokens that I can pump up with instant speed mass buff effects.

They seem to go a lot better in the 99 than as commanders, really. They're too... I dunno, situational. Which I guess is the point, but, they're so situationally good that wanting to endlessly recur them is a bit pointless.

Also, poor Ludevic.

>>50075588
The three most important colours are Sultai. Red and white are just going to waste.

>>50075627
>the colors of double strike dont matter

>>50075623
Pumping and mass buff is kind of a nonbo with Sidar, although Sidar + True Conviction + a bunch of 2/2s is pretty scary.

Have you considered double strike.dec? Good 1/1s and 2/2s with good combat triggers?

>>50075588
In modern where you have consistency maybe. You can't play a glistener elf or a blinkmoth nexus t1 and pump it to 10 t2 for game in EDH.

>>50075650
That's getting into tertiary win-more territory, you want your core cards first.

>>50075708
The reverse is actually true, since BLAZING SHOAL has since been banned in modern

Does New Ezuri trigger new experience with Reyhan or Kalonian Hydra?

>>50075801

they enter with the counters on them, so ezuri doesn't trigger.

>>50075681
Instant speed pump. Stuff I could activate after declaring blockers. Maybe multiple combat phases too.

Sigil Blessing, Atarka's Command, stuff like that.
Double strike definitely works well with Sidar.

Zada is fucking spooky if you give Sidar red, since she turns a giant growth into an overrun on your unblocked weenies.

>>50075862
Dont forget inquisitor's flail, berzerk/fatal frenzy

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Guys I think I build too many decks

>>50075801
The triggers go on the stack at the same time, so yeah.

>>50072784
The lack of thicc legendaries is indeed disturbing.

>>50075862
Seems like a fun idea anon.

Me, I'm going Sidar-Silas double striking ninjas, pretty similar overall game plan.

>>50075859
>>50075899

Wait, which of you is correct?

>>50075913
I had the same idea, except I call it flying bears.

>>50075931

the creatures wouldn't etb as 0/0, otherwise state based actions would kill them before the counters got on them. There isn't any sort of trigger for the +1/+1 counters, they enter the field with them. So reyhan etbs as a 3/3 and hydra as a 4/4 so Ezuri cannot trigger.

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>>50075881

>>50076018
Alright, thanks.

>>50076036

if you want to be sure you can always hit up the judge thread >>49997820

he's answering questions right now.

>>50071859
We can still drive off women by being waifufags.
I literally don't give a shit about there not being men in the cards, so long as the women are beautiful.

>>50071503
You're going to have to explain that one to me. The untap ability being his -1 means you have no way of getting the loyalty back. You're essentially using -1 to untap veil + 3 mana sources, at least one of which needs to tap for 2+ mana.

The best thing I can think of is something like Gilded Lotus + Thran Dynamo + Chain Veil + whatever permanent you want to untap 5 times, but it's far from infinite.

>>50076018
Thos guy is right. I remembered something wrong.

>>50072009
>[N]ot for Commander
>Gearhulks
>Chandra
>Panharmonicon
>Masterpieces driving cost of old staples down
Lolwut, Anon?

>>50072551
It wouldn't be a problem if it were actually working and more people were buying their shit, but Marvel is selling less than DC for the first time since 1968 and tournament attendance has been in constant decline since Origins. They walked back on the 2 rotation a year shift because FNM wasn't firing anymore at a mayority of WPN stores, and as far as I know the situation hasn't improved.

>>50072619
My job is market research and 99.9% of the time we're not hired to do market research but to make up statistics that prove whatever the exec who hired us is pushing is the only way to make money even if it's completely retarded.

>>50072717
I'm brown and I'm tired of seeing brown people where they don't belong.
Give us mesoamerican planes, don't shove us in the fucking tundra like a bunch of misplaced tokens ffs.

>>50072974
Most women hate objective competition, that's why most of them don't play sports, competitive video games or join the finance and business world.

Magic is a competitive game even when played casually.

All the girls who actually show up to tournaments at my LGS are athletes or real life dorito gremlins and that's they kind of girls WotC should try to pander to, not tumblr fujoshits.

>>50071277
>tfw the anubis head could've been a Bolas head, and they could've taken the bolas head out of the background and put some cool sky stuff / mountains there.

>>50073051
>Wasting arrows on darkies
I'd cast Doom Blade, but it wouldn't work.

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>>50076109
Have teferi + chain veil

>plus teferi
>activate chain veil
>minus teferi untapping veil + at least 4 mana
>draw your deck, plop down your wincons

>>50073130
This is a website of people who got bullied out of society and now those same bullies are claiming they are being abused because they want to take our shit and we're not all open arms.

A couple years ago you could get fired for visiting /b/ on your own computer at home. Now everyone owns an "anonymous guy" mask and whines for us to welcome them into the "legion" which coincidentially makes me wanna burn the parliament.

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Post your Saskia decklists /tg with a short description of what you're trying to do.

>>50076409
BG elfball with bolts and white "sideboard" assholery.

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>>50074282
Last pieces of my 4 color land base, plús some screws-and-nails stuff. I was torn between ravnica karoos and temples, but looking at 'em, even if I still fucken love karoos, I'm not regretting my decision.

>>50076409
Human tribal, token horde, infinite combos around Angel of Glory's Rise/Saffi etc., Sunforger toolbox.

>>50076546
Sounds interesting, decklist?

>>50076379
>Plus Teferi, get 1 card
>Activate Chain Veil
>Minus Teferi to untap veil
>Activate veil again
>Minus Teferi to untap veil

Where are you drawing your deck from?

>>50076587
Haven't made one for Saskia yet, will be mostly similar to

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/527724-gahiji-honored-one-human-sunforger-combo-ktk

>>50076506
>tfw
>10 fetchlands
>6 duals
>6 shocklands
>6 checklands
>8 basics
>4 utility

Why temples before checks, filters, manlands or painlands?

Alright, /edhg/, I've played Mizzix and Niv-Mizzet for too long. Ertai the Corrupted is too big a dick move to bring out in casual play. I need something new. Tell me about your casual, jank-filled, just-for-fun decks.

>>50076646
Temples are cool you rich douchebag.

>>50072699
What is with casuals and SotA?

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>>50076774
Sounds like you've been playing too much spells and control. Play a fun Ruric Thar deck with lots of fight mechanics.

>>50076833
Cut him a break, he's playing mono-red.

>>50076833
Mono-red mana ramp my man

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>>50071438

Okay, after brewing a while I understood this:

>Split cards are shit
>Building a Sultai (with a red splash) graveyard deck doesn't really mesh well with him because all reanimation spells cost so little, the best things I will cascade into will be mana rocks and ramp cards.

Anyone else has an idea how to build him, aside from storm combos?

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>>50074091

I'm kinda in the same boat. I want to make her, but I have very few cards for superfriends, I have some infect stuff and I know I'll include Phyresis, but I'm considering if I want to do a token swarm and triumph of the hordes. I have a nice foil doubling season that's just begging to be used, but I'm also working on a golgari elves deck where it may be better-suited.

I am strongly considering Voltron. She's just begging for Jitte shenanigans. There's an Aurelia voltron deck that used to be powerful in my meta, but this could be even more powerful than that thanks to Green's ramp and Blue's draw.

>tl;dr: Atraxa Voltron? Y/N?

>>50068527
idk bruh i think this set has the most Good commanders of any series, aside from C13.

>>50068520
Yidris, Breya, potentially Atraxa. and Builds with the UG mana sink partner + 2 other colors have a good chance of being competitive.

>>50076956
Hypergenesis/Reanimator.

cascading into reanimate spells isn't great, but it isn't terrible if you bin a fatty, and with hypergenesis as a 0 mana spell, almost all of your cantrips will either hit it or like, a moxen or something (which wouldn't be terrible. cascade into ramp or randomly win with a decent hand)

>>50076646
I don't like checks in 4 color, and so far in playtesting, I consistently have a more productive way to dump my mana over animating manlands. As far as pains and filters go, I just value a scry over a land which requires an every turn investment of resources, even if I see a good return. My land base so far is
>8 basics
>6 fetch
>6 shock
>6 temples
>4 "any colors"
>3 basic land fetches
>inventors' fair, because I run mostly artifacts

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How do I run sygg river cutthroat In the most oppressive way possible.

Is ixidron entering the battlefield a replacement effect?

>>50077332
I do pure control with lots of instant speed interaction. You usually aren't the biggest immediate threat, and people will learn that attacking you=their creature getting removed.

Usually win by stealing creatures and beating with them.

>>50077332
Rack Control.
Only works in 1v1, but works very well.

>>50077391
Yes it is.

It does not trigger. There is never a moment when Ixidron is on the battlefield and the creatures are face up.

>>50076890
Tempting. A green/red stompy deck can definitely be built on a budget. I'm tempted to use that one G/R partner commander instead, maybe with the R/W double striker or G/W hatebear-enabler.

New thread

>>50077717
>>50077717

>>50077703
Actually, now that I think about it, I kinda want to run the G/W unblockable partner with the R/W artifact partner, just so I can run and exploit the hell out of Oivya Pashiri. It's a pity she can't fit in Breya, but this is the next best thing.

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>token base
>in the web of war, rage reflection, breath of fury, savage beating, furnace of rath, dictate of the twin gods

>>50077011

C11 commanders were really strong too though, ghave, Animar, Riku, damia, kaalia

>>50077763
>not shit like Confusion in the Ranks and Warp World to turn your tokens into fun

>>50077833
I don't prefer that kind of foolery, it's not more fun. Hitting for like 18x per creature though

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>>50074804
>mfw i still have my playset from tournament packs almost 20 years ago