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>>50067119
He reintroduced plumbing and sanitation both brevoy and ustalav. In both cases he was forced to use mass slaughter to do it too.

Literally arrowed *thousands* for the flushing cause.

>>50067119
Haven't done it yet, but we're getting to wrapping up Curse of the Crimson Throne, and my magus is the one wielding Serithtial.

>>50067119

Come to think of it, most of the games I've played in have heavily trended toward the "fade into history" angle, or most of the stuff that happened was clandestine and not public to begin with.

Come to think of it again, the few examples that do stick out as potential great and public deeds, the GM finagled some reason that our antics didn't get us publicity to preserve certain game aspects like people never taking us seriously...

What the hell, GM?

Drop Dead Studios just put out another playtest, this time for Gear of Power, our Spheres equipment guide. It's still early in development:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zIomq0TFP7uPdlFB8VRAIWQEjAXLV5CYpP3HmjySynU/edit?usp=sharing

>>50067630

One of the biggest downers a DM can give you at the end of a campaign is "congratulations heroes, you did it! Shame nobody else knows."

It's like yeah, I don't want this to just be a power fantasy lesson in mutual masturbation, but I'd like to be a level 13 character getting wined and dined by a Duke, or maybe come across a puppetteer doing a show of one of our adventures, or heck maybe a scrappy little kid fawning over the cool hero/heroine.

There is a time and a place for leading a quiet life, but that's something the PC should expressly want.

>be Ancient Thassilonian trapped in stasis for godawful long periods of time
>woken up by PCs on accident, communicate with the party's history nerd who knows enough of my speech (supplemented by a shared knowledge of Aklo) to be brought up to speed
>explain I was imprisoned for an attempted rebellion, the powers that be thought having to sit for eternity in isolation with the knowledge of my failure was more fitting than death (GM's idea, I just rolled with it)
>agree to help them with their quest because APPARENTLY even though the empire crumbled, there's still remnants of the old Lords around and I've got a few millenia worth of anger issues and atrophied magical powers to work on
>In the process of what started as a normal Rise of the Runelords campaign, my character learns of the marvels of the new world, studies its histories and sets up shop in one of the ancient ruins we've cleared out
>decides to Make Thassilon Great Again and rebuild the empire, but run it HIS way with less sin and debauchery and a whole lot more kickass wizards studying wizard things
>other PCs like this plot more than the original story, so while we can't ignore the machinations of the bads we're up against we also start recruiting the shit out of people, getting a caravan company started, et cetera
>every player has their own scheme designed to help build our influence, adventuring band becomes owners of a mercenary unit, merchant guild and caravan company that hauls freight and passengers alike
>side businesses and partner companies start showing our sign and colors, giving our patrons and employees discounts
>by the time the campaign is over campaigners are starting to go out claiming that Thassilon has risen but in the cool, "hey look they saved the world" kind of way
>later campaigns replace Varisia and some of the surrounding territory with Thassilon, new cultural shifts, etc

>>50067781
And to sum up new Thassilon:
>a sort of blend between the common ideas behind an empire, a commonwealth and a republic of sorts, a de jure charismatic dictator style Emperor at the moment though the real power is in the form of the Council of Seven
>constitutional rule subjects all council members and the emperor to the laws of the common man, and there is the framework of an electoral system in place as the new government determines how best to let the people of Thassilon influence their rulers but still ensure only qualified people who know and agree with the values of the empire's reform make their way to the top
>common laws are fairly short and simple, trade laws only affect larger companies while independent, family-owned enterprises are basically free to do whatever they want so long as they pay their taxes and follow common law, cities have the freedom to impose their own laws within their borders so long as they too follow common law and make sure the emperor gets his tax money
>multiple reclamation efforts in place to find whatever Thassilonian ruins are still touchable and rebuild them after clearing out any bullshit lurking within; this project is expected to take centuries to complete and is full of opportunity for groups of sellswords looking for work
>major crackdowns on the Sczarni are causing some tension with more sympathetic factions, while religious sects worried Thassilon will go back to worshipping evil gods and being big ol bastards again are causing external worries, but currently there's no major war or uprising to deal with

Anyone got the albums of Pact Magic Unbound, Microsized Adventures, and Childhood Adventures around? Haven't found them in the archives yet, and only Unbound seems to be in the trove.

>>50067119
>What's the most historically significant thing your character has ever personally done?

I think the most historic thing we've done in the campaign thus far had been our efforts in Xen'drik as we commanded a titanic golem to vanquish Lurking Two-Maws. The golem now stands at the edge of Stormreach as its own Colossus of Roads, of which we have out new base of operations established. We debatebly also have right to claim our role in stopping the Ogre-kin uprising in Zilargo since we'd defeated their champion; however, we were but one of many who've contributed to the war effort, not to mention we never really stuck around to claim credit. We had other priorities that needed attention, namely the criminal we were still escorting to his trial.. of whom escaped.

Fortunately, we aren't known for that in the slightest.

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>Creation Sphere Handbook playtest
>Skymetal Production
>Add abysium, adamantine, djezet, horacalcum, inubrix, noqual, and siccatite to the list of materials you can create.
>djezet
Combine with Forge and other talents, perhaps some Enhancement Talents, and now you can weaponize your metal fetish suit

We Stark now

>Changing Fate edition
I killed Iomedae and became a god in a campaign that lasted over a year.

It started with a gestalt mythic Giantslayer campaign. I chose to play an Oracle//Sorcerer|Hierophant/Archmage dualpath, because I'm a cunt. That campaign ended when my necromancer slaughtered everything in the hold of belkzen, raised all of them as juju zombies, and used the giant's sick loot to shit all over lastwall.
After amassing power and dumping on morons trying to stop me I freed the whispering tyrant and swore allegiance to him. I then betrayed him like five years later and stole all his powers. At this point I hunkered down and started pursuing mythic 10, which took a long time. I was level 20/mythic 8 for a while already and had clerics and antipaladins and shit, but mythic 10 was outside my reach for decades. I needed to "eat" the most powerful lich ever just for 9.
While I pursued mythic 10, I had my boys do everything they could to destroy Iomedae's faith - from slaughter to propaganda.
As the religion lay in shambles after 40~ years I achieved mythic 10 and spent another 40 years preparing a planar invasion, while keeping her faith down. It's at this point my previous party members finally confronted me (I was the BBEG of their new campaign) but I beat them because I was basically a god already and they were just "immortal" heroes. Raised them, too.
When it was finally time for Operation Trumpet, I allied with a bunch of devils and then allied with demons behind their back, and sent both of them to launch suicidal distraction-attacks against anyone that would come to Iomedae's defense. I then "killed" her as best a god can be killed, and now she's trapped forever in as many wards as Rovagug, if not more. Golarion is slowly becoming an undead infested shithole and the gods all want me gone, and they'll probably get me, but that was the last time we'll ever play on Golarion as a setting so it doesn't matter.

I never want to play a caster again, by the way.

>>50068274
>I needed to "eat" the most powerful lich ever just for 9.
You could've gone to Eox and eaten every lich there.
Or hell, why be happy with eating a god? Why not just solidify and devour the entire World Wound?

>>50068319
I had a simple goal and I accomplished it. Was enough for me.

Am I going crazy or maybe it's just not out yet/in the trove. Swore PF was doing a not!SpellJammer book all about space and aliens and stuff. What was it's name?

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>>50068344
>I had a simple goal
Your wizardy is WEAK

>>50068353
Starfinder's not for another year or so

>>50067119
>What's the most historically significant thing your character has ever personally done?
Be directly responsible for the rise of an imp warlord and his 12th level wizard familiar unleashing an army of the undead and necessitating a crusade to stop.

>>50068353

August of 2017, if I recall correctly.

>>50068274
>>50068319
>>50068344
>>50068368

>Eating gods

ALDRICH PLEASE GO.

>>50068369
>>50068400

Huh. I thought I saw the announcement for it early this year. They hype their books nearly 2 years in advance? What the hell, it's an RPG book not a movie. Even for a movie that's insane.

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>>50068416

>mfw the DM gave us Dark Souls-tier titles after we hit a certain level

The DM calling my character "Stormbringer" gave me a special feeling in my pants.

>>50068372
Oh wait my character. I thought you meant my party. I don't have anything as interesting for my characters.

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>>50068435
>Sadly, being the party barbarian, the only storm I'm bringing is an ale storm.

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>>50068416
>implying you wouldn't have devoured Princess Boipucci if given the chance.

>>50068430

Well, presumably some of that time would be taken up by playtesting, but I think they decided it would be a closed beta only for now.

>>50068472
They already said there'd be no open testing.

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>>50068928
That can only end well.

Thinking of rolling up a bard for a one shot, any ideas to spice it up?

lvl 3, no 3rd party allowed

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>>50068928
I remember the defender drones on there explaining how public playtesting had led to little more than insults and angry shouts against design decisions, and how it was far more helpful to simply keep it internal, where the ideas and criticism flow properly.

>>50069050
>for certain values of 'well'

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>>50068928
>>50069050
To be fair, even if they had open testing, knowing their history they wouldn't even accept any actual critique or criticism, so not having the playtesting will likely just result in the same thing regardless

>be level 1
>bring 29 HP character to the table
>laugh

>>50069181
Or you could kill things faster and make your hp last longer.

>>50069158
>>50069171
You know, I haven't been in the ttrpg scene very long, maybe 4 years at most, and the things I hear about Paizo, GW, WotC and other companies makes me kinda think that this whole hobby is just garbage. Maybe it would be better for me to just quit while I'm ahead.

>>50069205
>tfw 18 str as well kill things plenty fast

>>50069181
How?

>>50069236
The true answer is to either make your own stuff, or just stick to a level that your friends/party is comfortable with.

Afterall, if people can enjoy Dark Souls 2, then there's a chance your group can enjoy Pathfinder

>>50069263

Barbarian, Favored Class, Toughness, Tribal Scars, 18 Constitution, and probably some other things I can't think of.

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>>50069265
Pretty much this.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and you're standing on a landfill the size of fucking texas.

>>50069236

It's not about the companies in charge, who admittedly make some very questionable choices. It's about having fun with your friends.

>>50069263
Barbarian, FCB, Tribal Scars, Toughness, Rage

Looks like Soapy drama has been removed from the topic, sad.

>>50069343
Mr Soapy Bubbles is the hero we deserve

>>50069265
I don't entirely see how that helps me if there's the constant getting fucked by rulings, errata and faq, or having autists and wierdos ruin fun concepts/mechanics either at the table or as developers.
Honestly, I'm not sure how much I even like the idea of roleplaying. I have a pretty hard time getting into it and most people I've met that like it are some sort of failed writer/actor.

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>>50069312
>texas.
Actually, that reminds me.

Which nation/place in Golarion would be perfect as the homeland of a stereotypical Texan/Cowboy

>>50069265
>if people can enjoy Dark Souls 2, then there's a chance your group can enjoy Pathfinder
Does Pathfinder let me stack up endgame gear while staying at the starting level and then proceed to jump random people and tear them new bodily orifices?

>>50069374
Numeria has guns, outlaws, and radioactive sweet tea.

>>50069384
That's Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls 2 is where a starting level player who takes their time and experiment with the system will constantly get invaded or ganked by players that are 100 levels higher than them.

Fuck Soul Memory

>>50069343

Well, someone apparently copied it all down into an imgur, which I'm certain people will link on the forums whenever the opportunity presents itself for months to come.

>>50069353

Just Soap, actually. What might have been Bubbles said in the last thread he had no relation to that guy.

Someone picked up the torch!

>>50069374
>>50069407

Numeria is the land of techno-barbarians, robutts and creepy AdMech wannabees.

If you want Texas, you want Alkenstar.

>>50069418
http://imgur.com/a/4OFm1

I have a problem:

My dm is running a sandbox thing, but the setting has multiple level20 wizards/litches/clerics at or near this town we are in.

I feel like the second I step on anyone's toes I will just be murdered.

Is there a way to talk to him about "if choices don't mean anything then they aren't choices"?

>>50069420
>Alkenstar.
My GM is running a game there. It's loads of fun. You've got undead and uppity wizards from the neighboring kingdoms, mutants, cannons, and desert wastes.

My gunslinger (using someone's homebrew PoW archetype for the class) has a vendetta against a mythic vampire. It's gonna be awesome when that finally comes to fruition. vampire lord

>>50069558
>Is there a way to talk to him about "if choices don't mean anything then they aren't choices"?

Ask him what's the point in adventuring around a town that's so full of almighty characters that literally any of them could solve the problem by taking 5 minutes out of their day.

>>50069420
>>50069563

Isn't the Iconic from Alkenstar straight up a cowboy-esque sheriff with a star and everything?

The place is so Western it's not funny.

>>50069642
it's what it was designed for, yeah.

To give some insight into why golarion was designed as it was, Erik Mona, one of Paizo's devs, explained back in september how the world came to fruition. Basically, they wrote a list of all the things people might make cool campaigns around, a couple examples being pirates, vikings, the infernal empire, westerns, and things like that, and then they gave different devs different regions to work on - Erik Mona, for instance, is really big on Nex and Geb, since those are his babies.

Golarion is kitchen sink because it was designed from the ground up to be nothing but.

>>50069698
Not going to lie. I detest kitchen sink settings. They feel super uninspired and inconsistent, even if you have a whole campaign in only one area.

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I'd like to preface this post with I am not trying to bitch about the lore or whatever, I don't have a dog in this fight.

>Kingmaker has you rescue a woman to be reunited with her female lover
>Wrath of the Righteous has you rescue a man so he may be reunited with his male lover
>Reign of Winter has you rescue a woman so she can be reunited with her female lover
>Hell's Rebels has you rescue a man to be reunited with his male lover

What I want to know is, are there any examples in the campaigns of the party rescuing a man to be reunited with his female lover, or a woman rescued to be reunited with her male lover? How many heterosexual rescues *are* there in the setting?

>>50069732
That's a nice opinion you got there senpai.

>>50069748
Heterosexual couples are capable of taking care of themselves in golarian apparently.

>>50069748

And I'm asking this because Paizo seems pretty hot on the whole "subversion, hah!" thing, which is fine and dandy until you realize 100% of your kidnapping situations are homosexual and suddenly the thing you're subverting would BE the subversion.

>>50069732
Kitchen sinks have their place. You can use them for a lot, and conversely worlds that have only one real identifying feature can frankly be a lot worse.

So, basically, just get over it, or write something for yourself.

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>>50069761
I know it's an opinion, Kouhai. Anything wrong with having opinions?

>>50069772
>good writing
>pazio
The writers make shit money and produce kinda-ok-but-not-really material. I can't blame them. They make less than middle management at a retail store and those are the MOST SUCCESSFUL writers in the business.

>>50069796
No it's ok senpai. Opinions are only a problem when they are objectively wrong. Like that one is.

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>>50069698

I'm going to say one nice thing about Paizo right now, and it's how I actually quite enjoy the way everything clicks in a pleasant way for Golarion.

Yes yes I know, The Shackles does not make sense in relation to the Land of the Linnorm Kings, but the thing you need to realize is the Shackles should never have nothing to do with the Linnorm Kingdoms, or Ilbydos (or whatever it's called) should not really be put side by side with Cheliax.

>>50069558
I have done something similar in this way:

A population's level density can be expressed thusly:
population/2^level

1% of these individuals is a PC class, 9% are a mix of PC and NPC, and 90% are pure NPC.

I put the players in a city with a population of 3.2 million.

Meaning we had the following:
3 level 20s
6 level 19s
12 level 18s
24 level 17s

And so on. For each I rolled what they were, and get the following:
>2 level 20 Warriors
>1 level 20 Adept
>1 Level 19 Mixed Expert/Bard
>1 Level 19 Mixed Aristocrat/Sorcerer
>1 Level 19 Expert
>2 Level 19 Adepts
>1 Level 19 Warrior
>1 Level 18 Mixed Rogue/Expert
>1 Level 18 Mixed Warrior/Fighter
>4 Level 18 Warriors
>4 Level 18 Experts
>1 Level 18 Adept
>1 Level 18 Commoner
>1 Level 17 Pure Inquisitor
>9 Level 17 Experts
>7 Level 17 Adepts
>4 Level 17 Warriors
>3 Level 17 Aristocrafts

So in the city level 9 casting was literally unavailable as there was no one with the skills to do it.

I use this formula for most populations and run it through a python script that does the relative chances. It means the VAST majority of the time small populations are mostly level 1, with an occasional high level outlier because of luck of the draw. It rolls for their classes as well.

>>50069748
>What I want to know is, are there any examples in the campaigns of the party rescuing a man to be reunited with his female lover, or a woman rescued to be reunited with her male lover? How many heterosexual rescues *are* there in the setting?

The only one that comes to mind is Sylgja in Reign of Winter, the Huldra that begs you to rescue her husband from the slaver mold - only issue is 90% of people will probably kill her husband in the process since the Slaver Mold's a BITCH to take down without hurting his fleshy NPC figure.

Hmm, besides that the only other one that comes to mind is the nymph in Rise of the Runelords, but that wasn't reuniting and more "my lover's soul is tortured over yonder, free it please?"

>>50069822
That's about it. Picking and choosing the parts of the setting you want to use is a good idea overall.

>>50069839
The ratio of PC/NPC classes seems silly at such high levels. How does a commoner get to level 18 without picking up a real class(even expert) at some point?

>>50069748
>>50069772

It's just Paizo's friendly reminder that being gay is totes okay in Golarion, repeated across multiple adventures just in case you missed it the first couple times. Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.

>>50069867
>Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.

It's been said before, but this is also arguably why so many Inner Sea Kingdoms have female rulers *or* female heirs, so the (usually) male PCs have a shot at becoming a Consort.

Heck, Telandia Edasseril's profile in Elves of Golarion spells out her "type."

>>50069885
Pazio knows exactly who their market is.

Paizo sure is shilling Golarion today.

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>>50069906

Oh shush! We're saying good things about a bad setting because being positive is a good feeling!

>>50069865
At high levels the formula highly favors non-commoner PC classes, but leaves commoner as a possibility.

>>50069865

By being the most singularly okay peasant to ever live.

>>50069917
Being paid is a good feeling.

>>50069906
Yea bud.

Your persecution complex needs more fuel after all.

>>50069867
>Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.

*Cough* *Cough* Ameiko constantly getting in trouble during Jade Regent *cough* *cough*

>>50069927

That peasant can grow the BEST cabbages you've EVER seen!

>Amazing Tool of Manufacture for Craft (Fields)

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>>50069885
>Heck, Telandia Edasseril's profile in Elves of Golarion spells out her "type."

What is Telandia Edasseril's type?

>>50069698
I remember that podcast. Didn't he also mention a ton of shit about Starfinder?

It's the game I'm more excited for at the moment anyways.

>>50069933
>pazio pays thier writers shit, average of 31.5K a year
>https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Paizo-Salaries-E809515.htm
>People are totally being paid to do subversive advertising to a thread with 25 people in it
>if every person here bought 500 dollars of books it wouldn't' pay minimum wage for one person for a year.
what world do you live in?

>>50069967

A foreign-born Elf with significant popularity among the masses and some decent social skills.

Killing Treerazer would certainly help.

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>>50069935
Oh damn dude, sure fucking showed me with that stunning "argument" on my ((complex)). I got

B T F O
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>>50069839
>I use this formula for most populations and run it through a python script that does the relative chances.

Mind sharing that code?

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>>50069978
>It's the game I'm more excited for at the moment anyways.

>mfw Lizardfolk in Power armor
>mfw I can be Metal Knight
>mfw Kineticists that don't suck

I can't wait!

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>>50069978

While the idea that they're not going to be taking any outside criticism is pretty scary, I admit I'm excited for it all the same.

>>50069441
Any more PF forum shit flinging? This one was ok but I know there are some real gems from over the years.

My favorite are always when devs/mods are fucking idiots.

>>50070011
Yes.

>>50070084
There's a fairly hefty amount of it, honestly. It's Paizo afterall.

>>50069994
>implying that if you could kill a demon lord you couldn't just conquer the entire country
>implying you wouldn't just take what you want
Pls

>>50069441
you expect me to read all that shit? tldr pls?

>>50070158
Alexander augunus dindu nuffin, pedophilia and rape are okay, marketing that to be used with children is okay, anyone questioning Paizo is an evil sockpuppeting troll.

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>>50070012
>>50070029
Oh hell yeah, man.

Actually, if anybody's curious, there's five big tidbits we got about Starfinder from that podcast.
>There's a general conceit that the players will have a Starship, so the party as a whole gets one straight up. Because of this, each new book is going to have starship chassis or components included in them.
>Warp travel is done by going between the planes and pulling energy in from them. this is actually pretty dangerous, as pulling in said energy might pull in something more solid, basically making warp travel in Starfinder like warp travel in 40k, just with an equal chance of really pissed off angels as there are of daemons.
>The power conceit is meant to shift away from magic being all-powerful to technology being the big thing, with magic being a supplementary to that. Because of this, a well equipped soldier should be able to consistently solo a higher level barbarian, for instance. Thankfully, this likely means a complete overhaul of the guns and armor rules.
>Bestiaries for Starfinder are going to have less creatures in them overall, but in exchange will have more space devoted to each creature and, if it's Sapient, how to play it.
>It is NOT the same system. It'll have the same basis - that of the D20 ruleset, for instance - but things will have been changed. Skills will be different, different feats, different classes, and all that. there'll be noies on how to convert things between the two games, but they won't be DIRECTLY compatible with each other.

>>50070158
"Rape is fine in children marketed products; if you don't like it, don't use it."
t. Furry Paizodrones

>>50070142

Killing a demon is a little different than conquering a kingdom on your own. Kyonin isn't in the River Kingdoms, you need the Right to Rule.

>>50070184
>>50070169
They did have a point it's not marketed towards children. It's marketed towards playing as children characters. Still gross, just less so.

>>50070173
So wait, is this a PF addition or a whole new game? I'm fine with either really, d20 systems slot in and out of each other fairly easy in any case.

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>>50070173
>The power conceit is meant to shift away from magic being all-powerful to technology being the big thing, with magic being a supplementary to that. Because of this, a well equipped soldier should be able to consistently solo a higher level barbarian, for instance. Thankfully, this likely means a complete overhaul of the guns and armor rules.
>Warp travel is done by going between the planes and pulling energy in from them. this is actually pretty dangerous, as pulling in said energy might pull in something more solid, basically making warp travel in Starfinder like warp travel in 40k, just with an equal chance of really pissed off angels as there are of daemons

Are you telling me I could play a Navigator.

>>50070187
>able kill a CR 25 demon lord
>anyone in Kyonin can stop you from doing anything you want
Choose one and only one.

>>50070098
Oh. Why? It sounds pretty interesting.

>>50070173
Are we gonna backport the gun rules?

>>50070173
So essentially it'll be d20 Rogue Trader?
might be interesting. If they only fuck it up slightly I could see my group playing it. Then again we ten to run our games fast and loose on the rules anyway, so either we'd play it anyway, or someone would just buy Rogue Trader or something.

Actually, just to ask, what are some good systems for Space Opera shenanigans?

>>50070217

That's... Not the point I was making, anon. Just because you can kill a Demon Lord does not mean you're able to suddenly turn around and effortlessly conquer an entire country, and EVEN IF YOU DID, nobody would give you the time of day because you're a usurper in the worst possible way.

>>50070207
A bit of both. The idea is that it's way far in Golarion's future, so it's using the same setting and planes system. think oif it as an expandalone - it can be its own thing, but if you're willing to do a bit of conversion work, you can get thingsd from pathfinder in starfinder, or vice versa.

>>50070209
Yes, I absolutely am.

>>50070234
You better fucking believe it.

>>50070244
Yeah, it's basically looking like the weird lovechild of Rogue Trader and Pathfinder at this point. that's not really a mix I'm unhappy with.

>>50070203
It specifically and pointedly includes a section about parents and players being careful talking to children about it, which means it's intended to be around them.

>>50070173
I'm sort of excited.

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How do I make a dragon worshipping monk?So far I've got
LN Human (?) Scaled Fist/MoMS Monk 2
18 (16+2)
15
12
10
7
18
Dragon Style
Tatzlwyrm Claw Style
Kraken Style (?)
I'm thinking of a grappling build.

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>>50070276
>Yes, I absolutely am.

Oh gosh, I've got all these concepts and I don't know which I want to try first!

>>50070288
It's a game that young people play, and specifically talks about looking over what you're okay with what your kids can see. That doesn't mean it's for kids, it's just saying "Hey, read this before handing it off"

>>50070084
>My favorite are always when devs/mods are fucking idiots

While it's not healthy to focus too much attention on it, the "Ask JJ" thread is basically distilled "dev being a dumbass" and it results it some hilarious, if sometimes depressing, posts. Favorite thing from that thread is still
>JJ projecting his bad experiences with Paladins and LG aligned characters as meaning that ANY instance of a Paladin or LG must be one dimensional fun-haters

Admittedly, I am not a fan of paladins or LG myself, but that's mostly because of the autistic hatred for alignment-locked things, and alignment locked stuff gravitates towards LG like a black hole.

>>50070341

The tone of raw despair JJ had in one of those posts about Milani just turned me off from hating the Paizo devs, he seemed *tired.*

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>>50070276

Wonder if they'll come up with any decent fluff.

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>>50070341
> Admittedly, I am not a fan of paladins or LG myself, but that's mostly because of the autistic hatred for alignment-locked things, and alignment locked stuff gravitates towards LG like a black hole.

But what about the coffee knight?

>>50070360
What did he sound like?

How can I get the most out of Fate's favored as a paladin? I can only think on divine favour

How does "levelling up" actually work in-universe?
The way I understand it, it's growing more powerful through personal experiences, in battle or otherwise, combined with training/studying/meditation/etc.
However, taking a step back reveals that it makes no sense at all for most NPCs. How does a commoner become capable of surviving a bullet to the head when all he's done is routinely scare off goblin cow-thieves with his pappy's sword? Why does fighting a bunch of kobolds make you better at Profession (Farmer)? Alternatively, it is possible to level up without ever fighting... and yet, you still become more capable of hitting with a sword, and tougher in general, when all you've done is make Craft (Painting) checks for 8 months.
It's fine as an abstraction for PCs, but it bothers me for NPCs. Am I just being a big baby? Should I let it go? I feel like this is such a core thing to most TTRPGs that it's pointless to think about.

>>50070444

It was basically, "Yeah... You could look at it that way I guess, I mean nothing's stopping you from seeing her that way."

He was very passive and just defeatist about the argument, like he didn't want to be there or the argument triggered something.

>>50070448
Half-Orc or Halfling for that bonus to saves.

>>50070464
>How does a commoner become capable of surviving a bullet to the head when all he's done is routinely scare off goblin cow-thieves with his pappy's sword?

HP is an abstraction; the bullet that takes your health from 16 to 3 whizzes by your head. The bullet that takes you from 3 to -12 hits you in the head.

>Why does fighting a bunch of kobolds make you better at Profession (Farmer)?

That's why good players and good DMs expect you to put ranks into skills you used that level or can explain why you have them.

>>50070431

>Four white girls
>The two men are Drow

[WEBBED] when?

>>50067601
Elessa sucks

>>50070533
Margrave is a maenad. I do not understand why people look at him and Duke and conclude that both people depicted are drow.

>>50070431
Hey Gareth, is there any chance when Starfinder comes out of seeing some kind of PoW for Starfinder?

>>50070564

He looks like a Drow and not everyone knows what the heck a Maenad is.

>>50070464
If an NPC is not doing anything worthy of getting xp, he should not be leveling up. Same goes for players really. If you spent 8 months just painting, where did you get the XP to level up?

Now the whole "Killed a goblin, became a better farmer" problem is indeed valid, but not that much of an issue for the most part. Worse case scenario I see is someone leveling up mid adventure and then suddenly the next person the wizard decided to drop all his skill points in to say, climb. Then yeah. Wizard waking up now with calloused hands and toned forearms would be weird.

>>50070520
>HP is an abstraction.
Come on, this debate has been hand many times before. If it's an abstraction then what do cure spells, wands, potions restore? Or magical bandages. Or the regular heal skill? HP is meatpoints as stupid as it may be. Can ofcourse always fluff it different but then you need to address the above issues IC if you feel like topping off post battle and the healer tries to heal... what? Your luck?

>>50070589
>but then you need to address the above issues IC if you feel like topping off post battle and the healer tries to heal... what? Your luck?

Yes, the healer is restoring your luck.

It's POSITIVE energy, that means POSITIVE thoughts and POSITIVE feelings, getting a dose of healing energy makes you FEEL BETTER.

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>>50070571
Today on questions you already knew I can't answer even if I know: this post. C'mon anon, work with me here.

>>50070580
I'd be less annoyed if I hadn't mentioned it repeatedly in these very threads. Is very frustrating!

>>50070589
>If you spent 8 months just painting, where did you get the XP to level up?
There are literally rules for that. I'd guess it's in the Downtime stuff, never hunted it down myself

>>50070589
>If it's an abstraction then what do cure spells, wands, potions restore? Or magical bandages. Or the regular heal skill?
Healing battle fatigue.

>>50070635
How do you know when you need more luck? When you don't feel happy? How do you asses someone else's luck to know if they need healing? Are potions liquid happiness then? They sure as hell are not if they taste like fucking cherries.

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>>50070589
>>50070464

What's wrong with painting?

Lotsa stuff you can do with those things! Make action shots, panoramic landscapes, racy nude portraits, even entire worlds inhabited by sexy crow girls and a fluffy-tailed halfbreed!

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>>50070431
Coffee Knight looks pretty okay, she can stay. Unfortunately for you, I don't really have any real interest in reading Mourners. Might change down the road, but I've found it really hard to get interested in reading fantasy novels despite it being one of my favorite genres.

That reminds me that it's the 2nd of November and this is the third or fourth year in a row I told myself I'd do NaNoWriMo and haven't even put a single word to a page. Don't even know if any ideas I have could get stretched to 50k words.

>>50070640

Well, someone sees a guy with dark or ashen skin and pointy ears, they make judgments. Rude, but that's the world we live in.

>>50070702
Write a story about how the prophesied time of darkness is come, except it seems like darkness missed the god damn memo. Two years after the scheduled great battle between good and evil, an inquisitor is sent to seek the foretold lord of chaos and find out why the end of the world is off the rails.

>>50070589
>If an NPC is not doing anything worthy of getting xp, he should not be leveling up. Same goes for players really. If you spent 8 months just painting, where did you get the XP to level up?
You get XP for overcoming challenges. Nowhere does it state that those challenges have to be combat, or even life-threatening.

>>50070473
Has to be human only

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>>50070700
>even entire worlds inhabited by sexy crow girls and a fluffy-tailed halfbreed!

Wait a second WAIT A GODDAMN SECOND.

I need one of our resident system experts to tell me if I can make the Painted World of Ariamis.

>>50070735
Then you're not able to milk Fate's Favored for all it's worth, unfortunately. Divine Favor's the main draw at that point, and you might as well use a different trait instead.

>>50070725
But don't they have to be of an appropriate challenge rating though? So sure, level 1 2 or even 3 commoners might have average everyday events qualifying as that but after that may need to move to actually challenging stuff.

Also
>If an NPC is not doing anything worthy of getting xp, he should not be leveling up
>You get XP for overcoming challenges

If you are overcoming challenges that's something worth XP.

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>>50070702

Well, you posted a good image to use as inspiration! Why not make a sexy, large-chested knight as the protagonist?

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>>50070736

>>50070755
What was are there to cheese out Fate's Favored, anyways? Assuming you're playing a sacred tattoo half-orc already.

>>50070736

Probably. Just needs a private demiplane keyed to an appropriate entrance, right?

>>50070769
>But don't they have to be of an appropriate challenge rating though?
Unless I've missed something, Paizo threw out that rule(along with a lot of other sanity checks, like rolling nothing over 10 being a completely valid stat array). So you could get all the way from level 1 to 20 by killing nothing but rats, although it would take hell of a lot of rats.

>>50070640
Hey, G. How's it hanging?
Everything alright? You don't visit as often as you used to. Finally getting tired of us?

>>50070810
I bet they did, since they also removed XP as a resource you can spend via stuff like crafting/spells. So being able to grind it on the cheap is not as big a deal. I guess.

>>50070774

Why are the Draph so great.

>>50070640
So will you guys do a public playtest of any starfinder material to keep another broken blade from happening?

>>50070810
36,000 rats later, I have become death.

>>50070736
Definitely. Half-breed, monsters, etc. too. That's the power of Wizard.
Shame you can't hit three guys with a sword though, fuckin initiators...

>>50070473
Halfling Luck is a racial bonus, not a luck bonus.

>>50070864

>36,000 rats later, I have become the black death.

Nigga you missed a golden opportunity there.

>>50070520
>HP is an abstraction; the bullet that takes your health from 16 to 3 whizzes by your head. The bullet that takes you from 3 to -12 hits you in the head.
"Bullet to the Head' is a misnomer.

If you are struck and take damage it is obviously not a fatal wound until you hit negatives. It did not hit him in the head, it whizzed by his arm and cut him, or imbedded in his thigh.

>>50070700
>This one guy and this bird are getting along real good. I mean, REALLY good. A LOT.

>>50070871
He missed a couple zeros too

>>50070864
It must present "a reasonable challenge", killing rats do not constitute a reasonable challenge unless they're larger and larger rat swarms.

>>50070858

Because they're short, thicc, and want to have your babies.

>>50070905
>killing rats do not constitute a reasonable challenge unless they're larger and larger rat swarms.

Just light the rats on fire, instant challenge increase.

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>>50070823
Mostly been prepping for my vacation and trying to shake this writer's block. I gotta finish up Malefex, find more stock art for it, and then handle the Shatterdown Setting Guide and finish up the content/playtest for Lords of the Mists: The Midway Faire.

I'm behind on mah shit.

>>50070862
Cool yer jets buddy. You'll know things about any projects we're doing on Starfinder when it's time.

>>50070883
If you put the barrel of a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, you are VERY unlikely to even drop unconscious from it.

>>50070905
Is there anything to stop a Summoner from having a shop called Crazy Ivan's Levels4Less where he summons shit at you for a nominal fee that's just powerful enough to grant XP but you can slaughter in droves?

>>50070949

That counts as a coup de grace, and it *will* kill you.

>>50070965
No?

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>>50070917

That is like everything I love rolled into a soft, friendly package.

>>50070965
You're not helpless there though.

>>50070949
That is a coup de grace where you have declared yourself helpless. The gun kills you.

>>50070956
It's debatable, but likely it will grant XP at a reduce rate unless Crazy Ivan doesn't stop when someone is knocked unconscious during training and simply kills them. Real danger is needed, or real chance of consequential failure, for it to be full XP.

>>50070975

Yes? You're initiating a coup de grace by putting the barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger, that's what a coup de grace IS, a killing blow.

>>50070990

If you're trying to kill yourself, you're Helpless in one form or another.

>>50070999
Ivan just summons them and orders them to attack. The rest is up to you.

>>50070990
If you put the gun in your mouth you have declared yourself helpless, as you are not moving out of the way of the bullet. I would rule doing that as declaring oneself helpless. Same thing if you stab yourself in the stomach with a dagger and begin gutting yourself.

One can always declare themselves helpless.

The Helpless condition states:
>or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy.
The opponent is yourself, and you decided you're not going to try and dodge. You're at your own mercy and are going to die for it.

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>>50071007
>If you're trying to kill yourself, you're Helpless in one form or another.
Well, that got deep.

>>50071016
Then yes, it would be full XP, but result in a bunch of deaths.

>>50071033
>Same thing if you stab yourself in the stomach with a dagger and begin gutting yourself.
Aren't there rules for committing sudoku that require like 3 Will saves before you coup yourself? Could've sworn there were. Pretty sure you can't just coup yourself, regardless.

>>50071007
Are you Helpless?

No, you aren't. You're taking the action to do it, which by the fucking definition, means you aren't Helpless, which means it isn't a CDG.

>>50071067
It's probably infinitely easier to do it with a gun, since you only gotta squeeze your hand a little rather than stab into your gut, which VERY QUICKLY makes your body yell at you to stop doing whatever the fuck it is you're doing.

>>50071076
>or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy.

>>50071067
>Being so inept can't even kill yourself.
It's SS13 all over again.

>>50071067
>Pretty sure you can't just coup yourself, regardless.
You can, you are a valid target for an attack, and are within your own reach. You can always declare yourself helpless by simply not resisting in any way (make yourself at the opponent's, in this case yourself, mercy). You can always choose to fail a save, so you just choose to fail the fort save.

I do not know about the three will saves bit, but you can just kill yourself unless there are rules that specifically say you can't.

>>50071052
You have to sign a waiver that says Crazy Ivan is not responsible for any negative outcome of his services.

Crazy Ivan's Levels4Less! Becoming powerful has never been so easy! No refunds.

>>50071076
Why are you being so autistic about this? If someone fires up the DM says they're dead and then they're dead.

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>>50070722
Might be neat. Honestly very tempting to try to take my obsession with constructs and run with that somehow. A chapter or two's worth of slice of life-esque setup for the cast with a slow looming problem overhead that comes to a slow boil. Maybe in the vein of one of those cheesy YA novels where the kids have to save their parents from kidnappers or something.

>it's a novel where a homunculus, aided by the neighbor boy that's been crushing on her, must rescue her father from a crazed criminal organization seeking the secrets of her creation
>somewhere along the ride the realization that "wait, you mean you're NOT actually a 'real' person?" hits the boy that tagged along

God damn, all it took was shitposting and already the ideas are starting to flow.

>>50071096
Normal day for me

>>50070965
Theoretically you could live. If you have enough HP the crit won't kill, and a nat 20 will let you survive the following fort save.

>>50071096

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIeiLo08JoA

>>50071139
You can choose to fail saves. If you want to die you always can.

>>50071113
So does Crazy Ivan level up as more and more people fail to defeat his challenge? Is ivan just 'fattening up' low level people to a more beefy challenge to reap the XP?

All with the intent of becoming a better summoner to provide only the highest quality challenges to his customers of course.

>>50071160
Yes, of course. It's a public service, after all! The prices are so low they might as well be free! Even a kid could beat a lemure back to hell with a stick, and it'd cost him just one gold piece. What're ya waiting for? Come train with Crazy Ivsn so you can better defend yourself and your home!

>>50071215

>Russian from Reign of Winter starts morally questionable Golarion business to hoard gold for his inevitable return to the home country.

>>50071240
How the fuck did Ivan even learn summoning anyway?

>>50071250
He trained at Crazy Vlad's summon emporium

>>50071250
Ever get in a fight with a slav? One "OPA BLYAT" is enough to summon a whole pack of 'em.

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>>50071281
AWAKEN MY SQUATTERS

>>50071281

>Left 4 Dead horde music intensifies

>>50071154
>You can choose to fail saves.
Right, I always forget about that.

>>50070589
>If it's an abstraction then what do cure spells, wands, potions restore? Or magical bandages. Or the regular heal skill? HP is meatpoints as stupid as it may be. Can ofcourse always fluff it different but then you need to address the above issues IC if you feel like topping off post battle and the healer tries to heal... what? Your luck?

A commoner isn't surviving gunshots to the head; the bullets are either passing by them, or nicking them or they could even be hitting flesh - but they're not fatal wounds.

So healing can either be removing magical fatigue or curing the wounds that are actually there.

That's why HP is an abstraction - because people don't get to say "I GO CHOP OFF THEIR HEAD"; that's only something you can do *after* killing the target and making appropriate rolls for it. Hell even a coup de gras isn't a guaranteed "I chop off their head" because a target can conceivably survive it (in which case it can be something like a botched execution; you cut most of the way through their neck with your battle axe, but it wasnt sharp enough / you weren't strong enough to behead the half giant in one blow).

>>50071154
>>50071347

You can *willingly* get a disease, or consciously become pregnant?

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Ayy lmao

>>50071542

Holy shit it's the Mad Arab himself!

>>50071528

I don't think pregnancy is a saving throw, I think it's just roll d%.

>>50071528
In the case of the first, yes. We defend ourselves from diseases with more than just our immune system, we reflexively avoid or mitigate our exposure in the first place.

Secondly, pregnancy wouldn't be a save. It'd just be a flat %

>>50071559
I'm pretty sure that's not Muhammad.

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>>50071542
Ay lmao

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>>50071658
A lmao

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The Wizard has had a drink and she's a total lightweight. Now she thinks she can help the party by punching ghosts in the face.

What do??

>>50071658
They note that his book is written in Arabic, but they call him the Mad Poet instead of the Mad Arab? Why?

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>>50071668
lmao

>players approach city
>CE party member who has been hiding his alignment via misdirection can't enter
>the city is covered in a Forbiddance spell with separated districts for different alignments, each run by a different church
>there are no evil allowed districts
>special permits must be acquired to district travel via password
>player throws bitch fit because he knows he can't hide he's CE

Heh, that's what you get for going to the Good Theocratic city state.

>>50071677
Doesn't she have a thing that lets her use her int for attack and damage? Or was that on the scythe specifically?

>>50071677
Obviously, any good party enables this sort of behavior by disguising their most gullible/second most gullible member as a ghost and getting into a fistfight with said Wizard.

>>50071677

What kind of drunk is Elsbeth?

>>50071610
The Mad Arab is the title of Abdul Alhazred.

>>50071682

>Mad Arab

Oh gee I wonder why, that's like saying the "Greedy Jew" nowadays.

>>50071733
He's Mad, and he's an Arab. He's noted as being an Arab. His name is Arabic, his book is in Arabic. He's the Mad Arab.

It's not a stereotype of arabic people to be mad.

And now I've typed Arabic so many times it's starting to look weird.

>>50071733
>>50071774
Don't forget he is crazy because he got his hands on the Necronomicon that is why he is the Mad Arab, he is insane, not angry.
Also fun fact, when Lovecraft was a child playing Arabian Nights, Abdul Azharad was the name he used for his pretend persona.

>>50071807
>he is crazy because he got his hands on the Necronomicon
He WROTE the Necronomicon.

What are some cool things to put in a cave-bound bandit lair?
The bandit boss is a level 12 badass, so I have some leeway. Not TOO much since this is my character's home, and she's just a level 5 lackey, but still.
The bandits are mostly CG with some CN. Think Robin Hood's Merry Men.
I'm thinking they might have a friendly mimic chest, mostly because I love those. Not sure how to handle the fact pathfinder mimics have 10 INT and speak common, but it could be a full member of the gang and not just a fancy pet.

Anyway, ideas? It's a fairly large cave, housing up to 30 bandits at any given time. It's hidden and guarded well and I've figured out most of the logistics, just looking to put neat stuff in there.

>>50071697
Just her scythe, but her gauntlet at its present stage gives all of her gear Ghost Touch. Honestly I'm rather amazed that that aspect of her metal glove actually came into play at all.

>>50071703
Not a bad idea! But at the same time, it kind of is. At 16 str, a punch from Elsbeth could actually hurt to some extent.

>>50071708
Probably closer to a 'happy drunk'? She's the type that'd analyze almost everything she can bring herself to pay attention to when intoxicated, but at the same time she'd rather be quite taken by the sensation; this being the first time she's ever had any alcohol, she has no idea how to gauge herself. To give some sort of idea what she may be like, the party is currently in a Karrnathi family crypt to locate a noble's scout, and Elsbeth notes (out loud) in her still drunken stupor that she's disappointed that there are no skeletons having a smoke break by any of the headstones.

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Actually, all that talk about writing stuff got me thinking: I haven't read a single published story that had tieflings in them, merely seen a few stories from gaming groups and all the memes about ">le dark and edgy". Can anyone give me a rundown of Tieflings in fiction? I like the IDEA of them, but have seriously no idea how they or Aasimars, to a point are supposed to fit into a world. Good examples, bad examples, just fuck my shit up famalam.

>>50071889

An escape tunnel.

>>50071903
I'm reminded of the running joke in the Divinity games regarding skeletons thinking too hard about how they actually work and destroying themselves through an excess of existential thought.

The world needs more chatty skeletons.

>>50071948

Some claim they'd fit in perfectly as hooved waifus with cute accents.

>>50071889
Decanter of Endless Water, for entirely pragmatic reasons. They might try to use it in combat when convenient.

>>50071948

Tieflings are perfect as hooved waifus with cute accents or broad-chested hunks with cute accents and adorkable mannerisms.

>>50072025

Ha! Called it!

>>50071949
I told ya I had that stuff figured out, anon.

>>50072011
I hadn't heard of that item before, wow. That's really great, anon! Thanks!

>>50072025
I disagree with you to such a degree that if I found out you were of this opinion I would likely kick you from the game no matter what you were playing.

Tieflings are the spawn of literal devils, and devil are one of the nicest things you can take after. Qlippoth and Daemon tieflings are far worse off. The only tieflings that make sense to be humanly beautiful are ones that take after creatures meant to enthrall mortals.

>cute accents
No seriously fuck off. This almost feels like you are implying a 'tiefling nation' or some shit so they have the same accents.

Your fucking draenei fetish pisses me off, keep it on fucking ERP servers.

>>50072078

>Not getting the joke

Reminder for next thread that we should add the Creation and Gears of Power playtests to the OP.

>>50072102
I'm too fucking angry to recognize humor.

>>50072067
>I told ya I had that stuff figured out, anon.

Are you trying to say you can have too many escape routes for a bandit?

>>50072132

I'm sorry to hear that, hope you calm down before the night is through!

>>50072115
And Wild Magic. Hell, why not add all the books?

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>>50072025
>>50072007
>tfw still haven't finished the cervid race homebrew

>>50071903

>Elsbeth is the sweet, chatty kind of drunk

Aww, a woman after my own heart!

>The Frenchwoman's never had alcohol before this

Nani?

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>>50072007
>>50072025
I really don't know what I expected when I asked the question, to be perfectly honest.

>>50072078
>>50072132
Anon, I think you may need to chill the kneejerk anger, it's not healthy.

captcha: STOP RAPIDE

>>50072189

Well get on that, guy! We've got Moo-folk, fox-folk and even woof-folk! I want to play a stag!

>>50072078

>Implying most Tieflings aren't from Cheliax
>Implying Chelaxians don't have *the* smokiest, most attractive accent this side of the Inner Sea

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>>50071948
Neeshka is best girl

>>50072213

In truth, I'm not actually sure. I haven't read enough tabletop-based fiction to know if tieflings (or aasimar, for that matter) really figure into any of it. Think one of the D&D comics has one in the party, but aside from that, your guess is as good as mine.

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>>50072216
I'm trying, but its so hard to determine specific ranges of facial structure measurement to sate my autistic desire for details!

>>50072253

Compared to the bitchy elf, she's a priceless treasure who deserves all your love and money and tail-pulling.

>>50072213

Want a more serious answer? Tieflings and Aasimar are intimately tied to the nature of a setting's cosmology, you'd have to give us a bit more info to give a good answer.

My suggestion? Make them like half-elves in LOTR; the child of a demon or angel that is given the choice to either become human and thus destined to die (yet have total free will and a place in the Second Song) or they become fully demonic or angelic, taking on immortality and immense cosmic power at the cost of their free will and becoming shackled to the bones of their plane.

Heck, spice it up with Changeling lore and say the cosmic parent is subconsciously tied to them and calls for a meeting by adulthood. My brain is a little whack at the moment but I hope you can see the sort of delicious lore that can go on with this kind of setup.

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>>50072200
Her mother drank. A lot. Presumably she still does. As such, Elsbeth grew up associating alcohol with only negative experiences.

French-as-hell Elsbeth was mostly a joke, but really, the French stereotypes fit Aeoriel like a glove.

>>50072273

Make them look like satyrs! SATYRS!

Swarthy forest folk! Fauns! Roman mythology has these!

>>50072324

That's so tragic.

I've lost all hope guys send help

>>50072358

I can't give you the cure if I don't know the affliction! Why did you lose hope? Is this about The Wrath of the Righteous campaign?

>>50072334
>Make them look like satyrs! SATYRS!
Nah man, that's over played. I decided to go the slightly less magical real route, and made them be born from a Fae-Lord's curse.
Plus, they were also the prototype for when said fae lord would create wendigos

>>50072355
Due to recent circumstances, she'd taken her first glass. Now she's punching ghosts in the face.

>>50072398

Well, that certainly could have gone worse.

Any tips for a new DM hosting sessions for new players? They enjoy what I do but what I do is utter shit. I would like to get better.

Also, what do you do when your players complete the dungeon you designed for the session but still want to continue? Just wing it?

>>50072383
>Result of a Fae-Lord's curse

Wait... Guys hold on... Holy shit you're a genius.

Okay hear me out everyone; we've got a Tieflings for fiendish influence and Aasimar for Celestial, right? What if we had a race that was the product of fae magic? Deer-people, bull-men, wolf-folk, all are variant heritages of people whose ancestors lived in a fae-heavy region or consorted with the fae in the past.

>>50071948
I don't have all my novels with me, but I remember tiefling characters in:

The Blades of the Moonsea trilogy
The Erevis Cale trilogy
The Twilight War trilogy
The War of the Spider Queen
The Empyrean Odyssey trilogy
The Brimstone Angels series

>>50072453
Wing it.

To answer the second question, wing it.

>>50072461
You mean refluffed skinwalkers?

>>50072473
> The War of the Spider Queen

Don't suggest this to innocent people. Please.

>>50072315
I mean, really I have no particular setting's cosmology in mind, I just wanted to get an idea of how they've been used in fiction and what a good and bad example of them would be. I am unfortunately far less well-read than I should be.

Might as well out myself as >>50071133 trying to figure out how to justify making the neighbor boy be a teenage tiefling. Giving him one long horn on his forehead and the nickname "lightning rod" feels like it would just be fun to play around with.

>>50072511

Yes, only without the Change Shape and a bit of that spicy magic.

Like, envision the Aasimar or Tiefling listings, only with cervids instead of demon-blooded or angel-blooded.

>>50072528
They have to read all six books to make sense of the Empyrean Odyssey and the Lady Penitent trilogies.

>>50072610
Then those trilogies can join WotSQ in Hell where they belong.

>>50071948
Because tieflings are aasimar.

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>>50072602
>>50072511
>>50072461
niggas calm down. I only made this race as a small joke request from /pfg/
I haven't even made the stats yet, and am still in the midst of doing the physical description. Besides, no need to do too many variant, I was just planning on a few alternate traits and things, since trying to differentiate between a Mule Deer and Whitetail would just be pointless fluff, and I highly doubt most people even know what a Pronghorn is.

Calm yo tits

>>50072528
>>50072657

Never read it-what's the issue?

>>50071948
Uck phone posting, I meant tieflings and aasimar are d&disms.

>>50072697

You can't tell me what to do, you're not my mom!

>>50072832
Aren't I?

>>50072832
Are you sure?
Did you remember to clean your room and make your bed today?

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>>50072837
>>50072843
>two mothers

Is there really technically no Improved/Greater Multiweapon in Pathfinder? Do you really have to get just the two-weapon fighting line and get extra attacks with one off-hand, with all the others getting only a single attack ever?

So I found DepressedHomebrewer's stuff in the trove. Has anyone played them before? What tier are they?

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>>50071948
Tieflings tend to have a lot of their demonic urges; there is no real "standard" for them, because they tend to be rarer.

Good tieflings embrace their mortal half and may use a "fight fire with fire" approach to evil.

"bad" tieflings may or may not be inu-yasha and aspire to full demonhood.

>>50072473
I know that the alu in war of the spiderqueen goes on to be captured by some angel, give birth in heaven, half her tiefling son be raised by an angel to be a paladin and eventually converts to good she also revives the dead wizard from war of the spider queen who only really stick around for long enough to say that he's proud of both of them, and while he never really liked or cared much about being evil he was a product of his environment, and he's happy that they're both in a happier place

>>50073067

I want that tiefling to find love and appreciation.

>>50073067
>those stats
Goodness, she almost deserves those rocks!
Also how did she afford all that magical gear at lvl 1?

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>>50073067

>>50072837
>>50072843

M-Moms? Why are you here?

>>50073067

Why are Tieflings hated when they tend to be attractive red-skinned women with big ole tiddies?

>>50073160
>stats dumped that far
>Int is only 15
>Wis 9
Did JJ build this wizard?

>>50072722
Everyone you love dies. Thing's arent as resolved as you'd think they'd be.

There is a *whole lot* of backstabbing.

>>50072865

I've seen some shit you wouldn't believe, anon.

You'd be amazed at how magic can let two lesbians "naturally" conceive a child.

>>50073209
It's a 9 pb in pathfinder.

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>>50073257
>9 pb

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>>50073200
Because of the demonic influence in their blood. Lots of them tend to be less than nice creatures; Sometimes they smell bad, sometimes they have unappealing features.

Sometimes things are just scary and bad stuff happens around them.

They also tend to be looked upon as though they're liars (demonic influence ones) or cheats (devil influenced ones). They're also seldom the products of entirely wholesome relationships (ie, someone way back down their line was a demonic cultist, or got raped by a demon or something).

The good ones are super extra good to overcome this prejudice, the bad ones tend to be extra bad. The neutral ones may just be liars.

Recently finished a 3.5 / forgotten realms book where a tiefling "child" was stolen from the red wizards of thay you have to be a literal psychopath to try this or powerful beyond belief. He eventually escaped after a decade or two of slavery, and had a relatively sour outlook on life - being exceptionally quick to attack for things he wanted. He survived as a thief until he eventually tried to lift the purse off of the daughter of two legendary adventurers (and a fairly respectable warrior in her own right). She smacked his hands then noticing he was quite small and somewhat malnourished she took the "child" back to where she lived and started to feed him.

The "child" (known as Kid from that point, as he didnt have a true name) helped their adventures as a dickass thief, a speaks-in-riddles and does acrobatics guy and an understander of most things magical and/or demonic... Only the aged dwarf of the party got to actually understand that the tiefling was something like 500+ years old and merely pretended to be a child. partially because it was easier for people to underestimate him and his experience and partially because he liked the girls of the party doting on him (a human, and a trio of half-sisters; a genasi, a half orc and a half-elf(?) - all of whom very much loved their daddy.)

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>>50073209
>>50073152
The characters were supposed to be examples of 3d6 rolling IIRC. Not super optimized.

>>50073420

I don't recognize this character.

>>50073420

>Paladin
>12 Strength 14 Charisma

She was born to die, wasn't she.

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>>50072657
The Empyrean Odyssey gave us the death of Mystra, Azuth, and Savras, leading to 4th edition, and Kael, the half noble drow, half alu-fiend (half human, half succubus).

The Lady Penitent series gave us the death of most of the drow pantheon, the death of a Chosen of Mystra, and dark brown elves.

>>50073213
Everything was resolved in the Lady Penitent series, even though that was undone in 5th edition.

>>50073468
They're comics from like 8 years ago or someshit. I cant remember the exact story behind them but their stats were IIRC 3d6 rolled in order no allocation and their gear was also supposed to have been rolled for on magic item tables. And yes, almost every single one of them ended up mediocre / subpar.

Ribbon drew them up a *long* time ago.

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>>50073531

>Everyone rolled mediocre/subpar

Well, I know something Cestree's exceptional at.

>>50073567
I dont get it.

>>50073592

Her boobs, anon. Cestree's got an amazing figure.

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>>50073397
Which book was this?

>>50073611
Crypt of the moaning diamond, last book in the dungeons series. It was overall very mediocre, and an ultimately forgettable installment in pulp fiction.

Ok, so:
You're rifling through the guard captain's office for a letter when a guard comes in with a report. He, unsurprisingly, is suspicious of you. You then shout in his face to fuck off or you'll have him on potato-peeling duty for a month for disrespecting a superior.
Is this Bluff or Intimidate?

>>50073662

Bluff.

>>50073662
Bluff first, then possibly Intimidate
Or, if your GM is kind, whichever single one you have the most ranks in for the occasion.

is there scan of Planes of Power or Horror Realms

>>50073480
>The Empyrean Odyssey gave us the death of Mystra

How is this something you can dislike?

>>50073692
13, 9, 8, 10, 16, 11.

Rolled 6, 1, 2, 1, 1, 6, 3, 4, 4, 5, 4, 6, 5, 5, 1, 3, 4, 2 = 63 (18d6)

>>50073692
str 13
dex 9
con 8
int 10
wis 16
cha 11

Looks like you're a cleric

Rolled 5, 1 = 6 (2d10)

Wait, we're rolling for things now?

>>50073692
>Str: 13
>Dex: 9
>Con: 10
>Int: 10
>Wis: 18
>Cha: 11
A dwarf cleric he is. Ready to take on the world. He may not be the best, but he may survive.

>>50073704
Id roll a druid with that line
Get a racial on the CON

>>50073662
>Be Warder, int to intimidate
>Negotiate for help with an order of knights
>Mfw I make a simple but solid nonthreatening argument
>Mfw I notice DM is about to say 'Roll for Diplomacy'
>Mfw my diplomacy is shit
>Mfw I finish with '...or else'
>Mfw I get to roll intimidate instead and pass.

>>50073710
9, 8, 11, 15, 11, 9

I guess a wizard then?

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>>50073688
Horror Realms isn't out yet, but here's Planes of Power

Rolled 4, 2, 5, 5, 3, 5, 6, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 4, 2, 6, 5, 6 = 75 (18d6)

>>50073710
Str 9
Dex 8
Con 11
Int 15
Wis 11
Cha 9

Hello Witchfriend

>>50073710
Str 9, dex 8, con 11, int 15, wis 11, cha 9.

Passable wiz before racial bonuses.

>>50073746
11, 13, 11, 12, 11, 17
Legitimately not bad at all for a Sorcerer

>>50073746
str 11, dex 13, con 11, int 12, wis 11, cha 17.

Bard or sorcerer.

Hey /pfg/ was wondering if you could help me out. Starting my first campaign as a player in a bit and I was looking to make a bard that could contribute in a melee frontliner capacity but keep as much of his bard-y goodness as possible. Is multiclassing the way to go? Just dipping into a more martial class? Or is the Arcane Duelist Archetype not terrible and the solution to all my problems?

>>50073740

I like your gumption, anon!

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>>50073650
Do you know what series would truly be mediocre?

pfg writes "The Initiators," "The Kitsune," "The Psychics," and "The Healsluts."

I would try one of those for NaNoWrimo, but I work 12 hours a day and I'm traveling later this month.

>>50073818

I would unironically read "The Healsluts" for inspiration.

>>50073786
Play a rubato https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tbBIinA90VQW8eriM0TZTZCbHsSU6cdv7_44J8w564s/edit

Rolled 1, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5, 5, 2, 5, 6, 6, 5, 5, 6, 5, 2, 1, 6 = 73 (18d6)

Big damn hero coming through

>>50073879
While this is the correct answer I'm fairly certain one's first game should be core as fuck so you can learn the ropes.
And also so you can feel just how much better most 3pp stuff is when you get to it.

>>50073927
>Str: 8
>Dex: 11
>Con: 12
>Int: 17
>Wis: 16
>Cha: 9
Wizard time?

>>50073927
Jesus Christ what the heck are those INT and WIS rolls

>>50073888

10/13/9/12/7/11

Looks like you might be a ranger made by JJ.

>>50073888
9, 13, 9, 12, 7, 11

Even trips couldn't save you

>>50073888
10, 13, 9, 12, 7, 11

You are completely average. You could I guess be a rogue or something?

Rolled 6, 1, 6, 1, 1, 4, 6, 4, 3, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 4, 2, 6, 1 = 55 (18d6)

Let's hope on the bandwagon.
Hope I did this right.

>>50073818
I would read the healsluts and the initiators.

>>50073994
>Rolled 6, 1, 6, 1, 1, 4, 6, 4, 3, 1, 1, 5, 2, 1, 4, 2, 6, 1 = 55 (18d6)

Nice commoner

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>>50073855
It would star a Sadist (Vitalist), or a Wilder that picked Healing surge.

>>50073999
>>50073818

A part of me would hope the characters in that story are sluts that happen to be healers, rather than healers that are total sluts.

>>50073994
Ouch.
Barbarian it is.