Greek weapons and armor

>>50063239
Linothorax, a type of greek armor that was almost entirely cloth. There are no surviving examples

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>>50063930
They also made it of leather. As shown here.

Northern parts of greece with thracian interaction could have a gorget

>>50064011
Thanks.
It doesn't have to be just Greek, any culture they had interactions with will work too.

>>50063239
Slings with lead bullets, leather straps for throwing javelins at 100m, machaira, xiphos, kopis, wicker shields with leather skin, large round shields with leather "apron" to protect the legs from arrows.

>>50063384
Done in Ancient Greece, check Thu 4.100.1

>>50065935
Depending on the amount of magic in the setting sling bullets etched with magical enchantments would be a neat thing to have.

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Might want to look into the Net & Trident set.

Seen more in Rome than Greece, but still a classic weapon set.

>>50065935
>>50065935
>Thu 4.100.1
Νot OP but this is not exactly the same as in the above picture. From what I read they built a big, stationary flamethrower to burn down the walls, which is impressive nonetheless.

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For those neighbours you could use some stuff from the Assyrians

The book you want is called: From Stone to Steel by Aaron Stimson . Written for D&D 3.5 but lavishly illustrated with plenty of well researched info on arms and armor of all periods. 352 pages and the single best historical RPG weapons and armor reference I have seen. Been gaming since the late 1980s. You can buy it in PDF or find a bootleg.

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Medieval setting:
>arming sword
>bastard sword
>long sword
>messer
>falchion
>battle axe
>warhammer
>mace
>flail
>pole axe
>halberd
>glaive

Ancient Greek setting:
>xiphos
>kopis
>spear

JUST
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T

>>50066068
No indeed it's not a handheld flamethrower, it's more like some sort of flamethrowing-tank. Plus it was used to burn the gates and the walls as you said, so it wasn't used like a modern flamethrower, which was mostly about indirect killings via air poisoning, but still like an ancient device (there is a target and you want it to burn).
It's very funny to read a tale that is 2500 years old and realizing that they were making some pretty crazy engineering back then (and this is not talking about the giant siege towers of Demetrius Poliorcetes). It must have been a little bit too cumbersome as it had little occurence past this exemple, very very impressive feat still.

>>50063239
To keep up, you could have handheld stone throwing crossbows or even larger ones, sling darts or even hand held lead darts.

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>>50066357
Sica, Rhompaia, Khopis, javelins made totally from iron called saunions/soliferrum, falarica/pilums, throwing axes, axes, two handed axes, two head axes, axes with a pick in the other head, gladius/ethnic shortswords, poignards/pugios, wide poignards, long swords, all kinds of heads for spears and ethnic knifes, maces of all kinds, from stone to steel, wood reinforced sticks, all kinds of stone knifes or weapons, slings/pole slings, darts, throwing spikes/knifes from the top of my head. and only counting Yurop.

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Also doing something related, but inspired more in the "barbarians" side point of view (and lots of settings than I like bunched together).

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>>50063239
For armor you really can do lots of "mixed", like a linothorax with scales, metals circles or whatever. From full plate to mixed plate really, specially going in ancient times.

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>>50066689
And of course you can mix fantasy metals or whatever, like adamantium or spirit/gods imprisioned in the weapons/armor like fetish from WoD or Glorantha.

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Posting some armors than could do, from fantasy to historical. I prefer a plausible look tough.

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Some persians, because you can't have Greeks without they worse enemies.

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And don't skimp in describing color. Purple for the very rich for example, like Patricians or Rich Phoenician merchants. Also depending of the age (I presume you want a more classical age Greeks) they fought very distinctly, from heroic combat one vs one with chariots and stuff in collapse, to the hoplitai clashes of the "dark age", the mixed hoplitai and skirmishers in the Peloponesian wars, to the phalangitai, thorikitai and all that from the Diadochai until the Romans.

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Some helmets.

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>>50066357
Your ignorance is cute.

>>50066596
m8 half of those are Roman...

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>>50067235
Greek lived at the same time than the Romans (than were hugh Greek-lovers). I don't see why any of those wouldn't be used in a Greek setting. Also the Romans copied they weapons and armors from others peoples.

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>>50067312
For example, this pugio? Arevacian, from the center of the Iberian peninsula. The Romans copied it when besieging Numantia, like the Sagum. Or the Gladius Hispanensis after cannae or the Gallic mail and Coolus helmet, the cataphracts from the Persians etc.

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>>50067312
Greeks live at the same time as now too but presumably OP wanted a bronze age setting.

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>>50067352
Then he posted lots of images after that (600 bc at the latest of the bronze age>>50063384
and those guys are from the ERE nearly a 800 years after) and even then there were tribes than used all those weapons outside the romans. I don't see how a Kopis breaks the immersion, being an iron weapon, worse than a sica or rhompaya, axe or gladius or whatever. As for OP I think he wants a Classical age feel more than a bronze only feel.

>>50063345
The Polis from Theros always seemed kinda neat. Shame they got so little focus.

>>50067852
senseless mix of roman and greek stuff, pteryges are way too long and there's too much of it, gauntlets are overall anachronical...

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>>50068029
Well it's a Greek inspired setting, not an historical accurate one, so it goes here. It seems good enough to wear too, a Dendra armor is way more restrictive.

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>No good RPG with not-Thracians orIllirians in it.
Such a shame.

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>>50063239

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>>50068298

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>>50068314

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>>50068324

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>>50068336
'Member when the Romans were the biggest Helleniboos? I 'member...

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>>50068347

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>>50068363

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>>50068376

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>>50068395

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>>50068414

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>>50068427
Easy access to that boi pussy

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>>50068439
Some non-soldiers for flavor

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>>50068450

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>>50068428
Fucking lit bro


One of my all time favorite hoplite depiction

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>>50068461

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>>50068479
Back to soldiers

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>>50068491

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>>50068500
>check'd

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>>50068534

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>>50068552

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>>50068561

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>>50068573

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>>50068583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYP3XJfCth4

(skip to 8:14, you'll see)

If you care about historical accuracy, you need to think about what era you're thinking about. When most people think of Greece, they really mean 5th centuryish Athens. That's not the same type of gear as the Bronze Age, or like what you'd see in the Roman period.

I'm going to assume 5th century or so. Shields are important. So much so that people will use it as a general term for all military gear. Spears are the main weapon because they're cheap and easy to use in big formations. Ranged weapons are mostly javelins and slings. Archery is a thing but it's rare for a lot of reasons, mostly economic. Being a hoplite is glorious, but it's often the skirmishers that actually decide the battles. People pay for their own gear, so affordability matters more than utility on the battlefield in many cases.

Bronze age stuff is often more distinctive. I'd also call it cooler. Check out the Boar's tusk helmet and the Dendra panoply for cool stuff that you won't see in other eras.

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>>50068626
What >>50068623 said, Dendra style armor is on the right.

>>50068640
That looks incredible. Is it from a reenactment group?

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>>50068640
Good luck getting through that. You'd have to knock em over and go for the eyes, head, or legs

>>50068439
Finally someone wearing linthorax. After all that piss old armor.

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>>50068652
That or from an educational source. Sometimes textbook creators or even television networks recreate some neat costumes.

Also, who needs a spear? Just fucking hurl a rock at your foe. Why not? You're wearing dendra

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>>50068673
Sea person next to the dendra wearer

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>>50068692
Gotta remember too, the Hellenic peoples went EVERYWHERE back in the day. Either as traders, colonizers, immigrants, mercenaries, you name it.

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>>50068706
Might be in Kraut, but you get the idea

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>>50068726
Hellenic sword diversity is really something to look into. They never seemed to settle on one

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>>50068736
And the swords were not always a smooth slope to the blade. They had divits, angles, and even cut outs

>>50068573
What a qt anime shield

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>>50068751
>soon as you said that, all I can see is a ":3" face

thanks anon

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>>50068573
Thracian shields best shields.

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>>50068766
And I'll end with our favorite meme warriors

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>>50068785
C:

It didn't protect the head and in an age where slings were plentiful... I'd go for more head protection

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>>50068805

>>50068673

Rocks are a good thing to bring up. Rocks are cheap. Everyone can afford a sling. Those suckers are lethal. RPGs like to model them as dinky little toys that can't do anything, but that's not really accurate. If you want to go Greek, don't make rocks underpowered.

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>>50068805
Frecking Hun influence, that shit they did to they heads was fucked up.

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>>50068818
You can make one out of some grocery bags. Just... wear a helmet

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>>50068824
The problem with slings is the training. To be an average slinger you needs lots of practice, even more than with a bow.

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>>50068825
They must have looked inhuman to the Romans and Celts. Scarred face, bow legged, mishapen skull, burn and scar marked... they certainly looked like the bringers of the apocalypse.

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>>50068824
>>50068848
You're both right, they were powerful but in the right hands. If the player has enough skill, most likely dexterity based, then why not make them as powerful as they should be?

Read mythology in general, but more specifically the Odyssey, Iliad and Aeneid and just rip all the items from there. Shields with over 9000 cowhides, golden bronze indestructible armor, bows that nobody else can use, the helmet of invisibility, hydra blood arrows etc.

>>50068848

Oh, definitely. I don't know what system people want to use for this, but games like Pathfinder like to do them as simple weapons, 1d4 damage. Which is awful in pretty much every way. Make them do respectable damage, but make it so that not everyone can use them. You don't necessarily need to restrict them to professional warriors, since they're a useful wilderness tool for dealing with predators and whatnot, but some dude from the city should be laughably bad with them.

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>>50068871
I'd strap Medusa's head to the front of my shield. Cover it in material until they got nice and close. Then, BOOM! Instant statue salesman. All varieties, I'll even take trade offers

>>50063930
Importance of linothorax cant be overstated though.

Its more flexible, lighter, cheaper, while offering an equivalent degree of protection as a metal analog.

Also better in hot weather, as you arent cooking under it, the layers of cloth insulate you. Probably one of the big keys of Alexanders success in the middle/near east.

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>>50068866
You will want to up the damage. The Romans when tried to invade the balear islands had they tirremes shot down be the balears with the slings. Matellus Pios I think it was reinforced the ships with leather to disembark his legions and conquered them at last (a poor triumph too because the balears were piss poor,but were very famed for they skill with the sling). Another itnerestign fact was than the Balears at first didn't sell they skill for coin, but wine and women.

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>>50068825
War elephants are so damn cool

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>>50068855
It's pretty funny, normally they described barbarians as savage but beautifull. But they roasted the huns non stop. Fuckers would have been very ugly indeed.

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>>50068991
Yeah, not that useful but cool. Poor north African ones were hunted for war or sport until extinction.

>>50068439
I never understood why they were so short, you could make them longer with no problems

>>50069281
What ? If pteryges, they are very rigid to be able to protect you, if longer they'll just restrict your movements. Plus big shields make thigh armor redundant.

What were the Greek Dark Ages like?

What's ultimate/ coolest looking depiction of the following:

> Cap of Invisibility (Hades' Helm)
> Athena's Shield
> Harpe (greek sickle / scimitar)

I'm doing something Perseus related and want to find definitive or artistic versions of the above. Hermes sandals are pretty much a given.

>>50070171
Nah man you can make them longer than your nuts and still have the same amount of mobility. I made my own and the only downside is that you cant sit in a chair.

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>>50070485
Horrible. Mankind just emerged into a time where writing was advanced enough to describe entire epics. Shit goes down and entire city states were cleared out. On top of the deaths, knowledge evaporated to levels so low that writing disappeared in many areas all together. Just a bunch of tightly knit communities loosely spread out just trying to stay alive in a world ruled by mad gods who screw anything, betray everyone, and eat mortals. Scary time

>>50068376
OVERHAND OVERHAND OVERHAND

>>50068073
Nah, he means that there's no reason to have Roman-style shoulders when you're working with bronze, and pteryges are actually very restrictive, particularly if they're layered like that.

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>>50068376

A question dawns on me flicking thru this thread. I've never really thought about it before.

Bronze or Iron?

I think I remember hearing/ reading that iron got big initially because it was so much more plentiful. Is that true? If you were able to forge bronze in large enough quantities does it bring anything different to the table then iron? Or is iron just that much better?

>>50074677
Bronze>Iron. The problem with bronze is the Tin, than had only a few deposits while copper was plentiful. It's more resilent to oxidation, it's way easier to work and repair,equivalent in weapon or armor usage (hammerd bronze can be as hard as iron, and being more malleable). Steel tough is better than both for that.

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Allegory bump

>>50074755
I'm no expert and can't cite my shit, IIRC bronze is harder than iron and steel, but that makes is really hard and ungrateful to work with, it's more expensive than either iron or steel.

So by hardness Bronze>Steel>Iron>Copper

>>50074256
You focused on that guy when the guy in front of him and behind him have no pants. You can see the one guy's dick.

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>>50074677
iirc Bronze can be superior in hardness to iron but is more brittle. An iron sword could get banged back into shape while bronze would just shatter. Given that bronze is cast rather than forged, you'd have to melt the bronze pieces down and pour them into a mold to get your sword back.

It was simply easier and cheaper to outfit an army with iron arms and once that was the norm it wasn't long until iron forgers figured out how to make decent steel.

>>50063239
If you want an axe how about a Sagaris?

There is something very interesting on ancient Greece armours and equipment. Bloody well eclipsed by medieval in RPGs and games.

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>>50063239
>ctrl F
>No Club

Seriously; it's one of Herakles attributes and a universal symbol of heroism and physical might in the Hellenic world.

Especially when paired with a Lion Skin to imitate Herakles Kithaironic Lion pelt.

>>50063239
There needs to be more art of the Bactrian kingdoms and other fusion of Greek/Indian armors and styles.

Especially fantasy stuff, that and fantasy Byzantine styled armors are impossible to find.

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>>50074677
Early on, bronze will probably be superior to iron, while iron will be a lot cheaper thanks to its abundance (easier to find than copper, and much easier than tin). In part because it can probably surpass the strength of pure iron, and in part because while at that point bronze working will have been well mastered, ironworking is still in its infancy.

Of course, how pure exactly the iron is at this point is another question, so the material actually use may be a bit harder than the properly pure stuff.

However, as we start adding carbon to make steel bronze starts to struggle, demanding large amounts of very expensive tin to stay competitive.

Then someone gets around to hardening that steel, even if it's just with a slack quench, and with that steel reigns supreme.

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>>50082772
And here's the image that I should have posted along with that.

>>50063239
Just use stuff from 500BC, corinthian helms fucking everywhere my man
Cases of fully covered soldiers exist going back into the early bronze age
Honestly go ask /his/ about hellenic gear dating from 1200-500BC, that's the shit you need to use

>>50082772
This is good to note, that at the time their bronze would have been better than the iron they could produce
Also stick in some crazy foreign shit from all around the fertile crescent

>>50077665
You can see a penis in ancient art?
How did that get through the censors?

>>50063239
Have you looked at Mazes and Minotaurs?

>>50070762
Bump

>>50070762
I'd do a corinthian helmet, and an aspis with an owl on for the first two
differentiating them from every other corinthian helmet and any aspis with an owl on (half of athens)

>>50083014
is the trouble*

>>50083014
>>50083025
Nah m8 athenas shield had a gorgon head on it. So make it a talking shield

>>50083194
Oh yeah there, the aegis pops up differently at different points iirc, I remember one telling is just a hide covered shield
a bronze aspis with the face of a gorgon, that people can listen to is a good one though

>>50077665
I'll explain the joke to you. By focusing on the one putting on a helmet, but pretending he is grasping his head in frustration, it implies he is frustrated/agog/baffled by his fellow soldiers and the world around him, perhaps due to them marching into battle without pants. The file name is a play on the common internet and cellular text messaging acronym What The Fuck, but the PH of phalanx being pronounced in a similar manner.

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>>50083014
>>50083025
>>50083194
>>50083315

Interesting. Namely, what I'm doing is a costume but I'm very particular about my pieces (avid contest-cosplayer).

I'm drawing a inspiration from pic related and Benvenuto Cellini's Perseus statue as far as overall look, but I'm trying to get the best version of each magical piece to put together.

>>50083905
(cont)

I'm torn between this: http://pre10.deviantart.net/fa26/th/pre/i/2015/344/5/c/the_helm_of_darkness_by_sylvansmith-d9jovnh.jpg

and this: http://www.socialhistoryofart.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=66830253


for the helmet.

Any amazons?

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>>50084123
Only the very best for you, anon.

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>>50084123

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>>50085491
>Disregard males, acquire amber

>>50068428
Where is this from? I need to have it.

>>50068376
Is that the source for the idea that hoplites fought showing their dicks?

>>50066056
Their bullets were already engraved with insults, so this is good.

>>50085767
In this instance it just looks like a surprise attack, and that one of the hoplites just didn't have time to put his full panoply on.

Note that the others are wearing loincloths.

>>50085767
Contemporary artistic representation will often show warriors fighting in the nude, which may or may not have actually occurred. The Greeks held onto the Indo-European concept of the heroic nude, that your bravery in battle was greater if you were nude, and would thus be rewarded more in the afterlife. The Celts definitely did this, but I can't think of a specific Greek recounting of this occurring.

However, if they were wearing bronze armour, they most likely had some manner of cloth, leather, or fur worn underneath it, for as follows:
1) Metal is (somewhat) uncomfortable without padding.
2) It lessens the kinetic impact of a blow.
3) In the summer in Greece, it gets hot. Like really hot. And for some reason, that's when they did all of their fighting. Well, it was because they didn't have to tend to crops at that time of year, but it's still dumb.

>>50082364
Milon please...

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>>50063239
To anyone who still doesn't know about it, the Europa Barbarorum II mod is painfully accurate about its historical period. Provinces, units and buildings have quite detailed and contextual descriptions.

http://europabarbarorum.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>>50086042
I was just about to link that; how is EBII gamplay these days? It was still a bit glitchy last I looked.

>>50072863
Is

Is that loss in the upper left?

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>>50085767
Nah m8 look at stuff like this, their armor was just short af and a chiton doesnt help much

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>>50086101
I've played several campaigns already.

The barbarian settlements sieges are smoother, and they added many units like blastophoenicians, spartans and so on. Many others are still missing, so certain rosters like takshashila are kinda basic. Some reforms are also missing.

What was stopping me was the lack of polybolos and stone throwers, but they are available now.

Iberian factions and their wide range of units with powerful javelins are quite fun. If are carthaginian and can use engines to breach a wall, even better.

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>>50089510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3TH7ds6ZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR3WxIqhaRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6LDKP-R5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPrAvxaRuq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v2WQEzVaTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PLMcXz_tKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPJxBGjG14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioqSlJbgnK0

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>>50090057

Don't die on me

>>50082364
>Herc has microdick and chicken legs
S-so maybe I can be a hero too one day?

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You know they never show painted helmets in movies

How hard was it for Greek to make their linothorax? How much work there is behind single suit?

>>50063239
Just a note so you know, Greeks actually had full bronze plate armor, which is pretty close in durability to high medieval armor. It's expensive as shit given that the main source of bronze is being imported from the East, but absurdly durable.

>>50096135
If you had read the thread you would see that pictures of bronze plate was already posted

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>>50095920
It's a pretty big undertaking both in terms of work and the sheer volume of material needed; however it is far less expensive than either bronze plate or maille which are the other options for torso armour.

I know this is about (hypothetical) viking quilted armour, but the basic construction technique is the same. https://costumegirl.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/the-making-of-a-medieval-gambeson/

Linothoraxs were not glued despite what you might hear, the study which is the key proponent of the theory is based on some very dodgy history and the quotes used to support it turn out not to say anything of the sort if you actually read them.

The other thing is that there is some dispute whether the Greeks used linothoraxs at all. Most (all?) of the Greek written sources are about other cultures using linen quilted armour rather than the Greeks themselves. Under this view the "linothorax" was actually leather. Dan Howard (Arms and Armour historian specialisng in Ancient Greece and contributor to GURPS Low Tech) is one of the main voices of this theory.

The cuirass is Howard's reconstruction of Agamemmnon's armour which is simply stunning.

>>50063239
Consider adding Axumites/Abyssinians and Bactrians. It's a good material for "exotic" backgrounds.

>>50067852
I like this, got anymore like it?

>>50098052
And I've found the thread over at myarmoury. Dan Howard in post no.2 makes the case for leather armour and dismantles the glued linen experiment bit by bit.

https://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=299263

>>50099467
That's awesome.

>>50099890
That shield does appear to be attached via magnet though. I'm also sceptical of the utility of putting horns into your arm pit.

>>50098052
>>50098728

Oh thanks mate, going to read that thread now.
One thing interest me is that by gluing they have managed to make number of good reproductions and as you said some swear for gambeson like construction or just leather.

Stuff that might just stay in mystery.

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>You will never fight with your bros, destroying the enemy city and wrecking pussy and boy-pussy left and right and go home rich with booty with to play with your kids.

Linothorax also got me wondered, what kind of fastening system did they have inside their helmets? Padding in similar way as with later medieval helmets or more complex system?

>>50103020

Well I mean technically only 300 guys got to do that in this particular case so it was an exclusive club.

Also, why would you want to? You're on /tg/. I'm guessing you don't have a warrior's spirit OR physique.

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I have a pretty good knowledge of ancient history but little about Warfare except the usual like the Iliad, Kadesh, Assyria etc.

One thing that bothers me is that>>50096135
Greco Roman period was clearly sophisticated and advanced in many ways, I am still dumbfounded by some constructions and knowledge they had ( for example just read a book about Nero luxury ships).

But for all that tech something feels missing, I am no expert but before the fall of the Empire I just have a gut feeling they used more armor than we see depicted. Especially in a Phalanx you wan to cover your toes or protect your right arm.

>>50103070
In what particular case?

>>50103184
Most cultures seem to be fairly lax about armour coverage, especially for the limbs. Full body coverage is actually pretty rare overall and a knees and elbows arrangement is among the most common styles.

It took over a century of development for maille hauberks to go from knees and elbows to full body coverage over the 12thC and there was not technological reason why maille could not have been worn earlier. The romans were happy without any sleeves on thier lorica hamata for hundreds of years.

I'd be leery of questioning all the available sources because it seems a bit skimpy to a modern eye.

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>>50103499
I guess, although I also know it depended from what type of enemy you are fighting. front line legionaries seemed to used the Manica a lot against the Dacian swords.

Some units from Alexander cavalry also seemed to be more heavily armoured, almost being proto Cataphracts like the Parthians.

And then we have stuff like the Roman Crupellarius, which is fascinating.

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>>50103061
Well some wore an arming cap of sorts as shown here. But there was padding for others inside. Not much is known as how it looked thougg

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>>50103184
A lot of hoplites couldnt afford all that plus different years see less armor or more armor. They did have it though. Like peloponnesian war had a huge change in the armor and warfare

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>>50104239
Its just that extremities are always the first things to go, I helped my grandfather in the field a lot when I was younger and toe and hand\finger injuries were common as hell, I cant imagine in battlefield.

>>50104318
Not really a surprise that extremities catch a lot of wounds, but luckily most of them are survivable. It does help that Hoplites large shield does cover most of the body in combat.

>>50103625
Alexanders pike phalanx's also fought with shorter sassira and less armor than the later Macedonian phalanx that fought rome, usually a short linthorax and obviously a helmet
Funnily enough, shorter pikes and less armor would have been a massive help in one of the Macedonians bad defeats to rome, where the phalanx got broken up and lost cohesion pursuing 'routing' romans across rough terrain

>>50103625
Oh yeah, murmillo was always my favourite but so many various types of gladiator

>>50105300
sarissa*
wew

>>50105300
Phalanx is curious formation. At its time it was most dominating force in the world, but Romans managed to crack it and it slowly disappeared into history.

Not until early 14th century it became a potent again in form of Scottish schiltron and Flemish forces using Gedon pikes against French. While the name changed from phalanx to what ever regional name it had the common idea that as long as pike formation stays steady and doesn't break it is invulnerable.

not until about 1650 the dominance of pike formations was shattered, but even after that till Napoleonic Wars it stayed as weapon of desperation and was used with good results.

>>50106147
I always ponder to myself, Rome was so adaptive to different styles of war, and yet they never majorly cared about the pike in the west, and it died down in the east mostly too

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>>50105365
Sassira is a nice name for my next female character.

Pic is Byzantines, but I just ahd to post them, the perfect mix of ancient and medieval, always forgotten by everybody even in fantasy themes.

>>50107129
Not sure fully what you mean, Byzantine is a term used to refer to the eastern roman empire, from 1450ish back to the original split around 300AD (I should have remembered the exact dates, ashamed of myself)
So I guess I can see what you mean about the blend from ancient to medieval
Also your picture depicts what I believe is a macedonian, though i'm not sure

>>50107222
The macedonian (could be wrong but he's certainly hellenic looking, could be an Illyrian king?) in the front in purple I mean, background is rome fighting what looks like illyrians

>>50107250
>>50107222
Actually, the more I look, the more Iberian they seem
Could even be Rome vs Carthage

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>>50107222
There was a blend. Byzantine armor and arms influenced the West a lot, and of course we all know about the Varangians.
>>50107287
>>50107250

Yes its supposed to be a battle in Sardinia against Carthage and Sardinian tribesmen.

>>50107313
Yeah seems so obvious to me know, those helmets threw me off

>>50068314
SHOT THROUGH THE HEART

>>50106678
Due to Greek influence spreading everywhere in mediterranean of course there was major number of Greek colonies. Particularly before Roman influence they were the thing in those cities and lands. Afterwards Triarii became the spear equiped troop in Roman army, but Marian reforms disbanded the class.

Afterwards in the legions the need for spearmen became smaller and smaller, especially after they realized how Greek phalanx could be broken. When Rome started to go to shit, they switched from swords to trusting spears. Most probably due to them being cheaper to produce, but then legions were a shadow of what they were during Marian reforms.

>>50099467
We need to bitch and moan and beg Lemonjuice until he draws us post-Greeks like his House Leo post-Romans.

>>50108553

Good pikemen were always excellent all throughout history, more like the Alexanders successors stopped using it as effectively as him, and Rome got stomped from Greek armies a lot before steeping up their game.

When Rome fell and heavy cavalry took dominance it would take a long time to good pike formations to appear again.

>>50108730
Iirc you are right, after Alexander the usage of phalanx started to suffer slowly, but steadily. Then with Rome beating Greeks they didn't use it anymore as Romans didn't use them.