Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Russ4lyfe

>>50038103
Know how I know your gay?

Custodes: 40k or HH versions?

>>50038107
Cheer up, you silly goose.

>>50038115
Why would you even begin to consider the 40k versions?

>>50038107
Because he pushes back when you fuck him?

I see this thread is off to a great start.
/hhg/, leading /tg/ in quality threads since... never.

>>50038137
Good spears and Eternal Warrior, I suspect.

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>>50038151
It's just the first few posts and defeatism is frown upon, Anon.

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>>50038151

>>50038153
>>50038137

Their 40k formations also add 5+ invuln save if you run the full group of 3.

30k Custodies are a "full" army. Probably similar to 40k Grey Knights. With what they've said so far, I think each weapon option will be a force org slot, Spears being troops and sword&board being elites according to WD

>>50038187
Custodians proper being HQ along with some captain-commanders and named characters, lone wolf style 3w operatives being elites, Jetpack with sword being FA, gravtank being FA, Lascannon-spear dudes being HS, Grav spartan-equivalent being LoW

New Audio Drama.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/hh-feat/children-of-sicarus.html

>>50038243
Can't listen, eye of horus released nearly 7 hours of aussie banter

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I guess this thread is now the Custodes General.

Silly question time, NL terror squads can take a "heavy chainblade" on every model. Is this the heavy chainsword in the main rulebook (S+2 AP5) or the heavy chainblade the taghmata get (S+2 AP4)? Reason I ask is they haven't put its rules in the wargear summary, which normally means it's a weapon in the main rulebook, despite the name being the same as the taghmata weapon.

Second silly question, you buy heavy chainblades in addition to the model's equipment not as a replacement, so each model will have a heavy chainblade, a bolt pistol, and a chainsword. Can you choose to use the bolt pistol and chainsword for +1 attack (say if you have A Talent For Murder activated)?

Third silly question, (which I probably should have asked first,) are terror squads with heavy chainblades worth using, or should they always be armed with volkite? S6 wounds marines on a 2+ which goes really well with preferred enemy, but everyone gets very excited about volkite so I dunno.

>>50034634

Spotted the Coraxfag

>>50038243
Don't squat on daemon worlds.

>>50038217
Sisters might also be part of that army, my guess is assassins will also be part of the emps talons.

>>50038115
With spears, 40k versions. Pretty much the only thing 30k ones have is frag grenades, while the 40k dudes have AP2 all the time and eternal warrior. (Lightning skillz vs block is a draw for me.)

With shields, 30k. 4++ rerollable is slightly better than 3++, but the rending swords really make them. Lack of EW is a bugger though.

>>50037759
Nah, I like them too. Monovisors are pretty cool.

>>50038293
Assassin as an elite slot, with all six types represented as an upgrade?

>>50038115
Forgot to say, a big advantage the 40k versions have at the moment is you can shove them in an allied land raider (which can have assault launchers to deal with the frag grenade problem). Though it'll certainly change when they get a full army list, at the moment 30k custodes have to footslog like chumps.

>>50038311
85 points base, 40k base statline, purchasable weapons as well as consul-style upgrades
Yes, this can make an eversor with double power fists
>venenum
can join squads, gives 4+ FNP, gives one unit 3+ poison for their CC attacks at game start
>Vanus
No idea, probably one guaranteed reserve roll and also an alpha-style sabotage

Should I make my 30k army Thousand Sons, Imperial Fists, or Blackshields?

>>50038342
Custodes

>>50038342

Nobody ever actually follows through on playing black shields

>>50038342
Thousands Sons.

>>50038342
loyalist thousand sons with custodes and sisters of silence allies

you'll need so gal vorbak too

>>50038217
Valdor - HQ
Amon - HQ
(generic commander) - HQ
Custodes Cataphractii - Elite
Custodes Sentinels - Elite
Custodes Guardians - Troops
Custodes with boltguns - Troops
Caladius grav-tank - FA
Custodian bikes - FA

>>50038300
I don't get why the spear guys get not only a vry mediocre weapon, but also one attack less, meaning they can't really make all that much of their one phase of S+1 AP2.

>>50038530
Eh? They have the same number of attacks.

>>50038267

#1) Check the weapon profiles in Book 2. If it has a profile, use the one provided, but I'm guessing it refers to the one from the main rulebook.

#2) When you get into assault you chose which weapon you are using. so you would charge chose to attack with chainswords or heavy chainswords then apply bonuses. Also if the heavy chainswords are 1handed and regular melee you should always use them since they also give you the +1 attack for extra CCW.

#3) no idea. Volkite is good for burning down a squad to get Talent for Murder up, but heavy chainblades w/ +2 str means you wound marines on 2+ rerolling 1 vs infantry (ya preferred enemy)

I would go with heavy chainblades if you aim to shred infantry with charges and volkites if you want a skirmish shooting unit that can pick off survivors with the charge.

I'm building Veterans for my SoH. Trouble is with the weapons. I was thinking of using 2 plasmas in the squad. However, would it be better to change one of them for a missile launcher?

They are going to use the sniper rule and outflank in a rhino.

Another squad will rock the meltas.

>>50038187
I like that the 40k version is actually defensivly-minded with non-Relentless rapid fire weapons, persistent S+1 AP2, Block and lack of assault grenades.
With the formation adding the much-needed 5++ the spear custodes are really only missing Counterattack to be perfect.
Meanwhile, in HH guardian custodes are bodyguards with a singular charge focus; assault guns, plasma grenades, spears that suck unless charging, all of that is pretty confusing and weird. And for some arbitrary reason they have only two attacks.

>>50038551
No, the 40k guys have 3 attacks.

>>50038642
Ah, my bad, thought you were comparing them to the shield guys for some reason.

>>50038583
I like 2 Plasma, give the Sarge a Combi-Plas and you can fuck heavy infantry's plans

I use 3 squads.

>>50038662
Now that you mention it, my wording was pretty poor there. Sorry about that.

>>50038742
>combi-plas
>not plasma pistol+power weapon

>>50038107
Because he takes the knot.

>>50038756
I give him a power weapon, but I play IFs so it's nice to get that Bolter shit too. I dunno, pick your poison.

>>50038137
Because they are not only slightly better (the formation fixes their most glaring problem), but the way they are played is fluffier. 30k custodes are all about aggression, 40k custodes are defenders, which I feel works better for the supposedly perfect bodyguards.

>>50038756
Nobody in their right mind uses plasma pistols.

>>50038809
Don't tell me what to do. You're not my real dad.

So a normal 20 man tactical squad has a sergeant, vox specialist and aquilifier?

>>50038921
Lorgar pls go.

>>50038928
All squads have sergeants, vox is only if you have barrage weapons or deepstrikers, and the vexilla is only really for legions that need it/if you think you need it. DG, IW, and a couple other legions have no use for them.

so How are you supposed to run draykavac? He has neither Patris cybernetica nor independent Character

So what are the rules building milita lists? Can I use my 40k IG for a 30k militia list? Milita (and cults) look like a TON of fun to play, but what is the general community guidelines on running them?

Well I just bought a Fire Raptor some auto cannons and the last 5 MkIII Breachers to fill out the squad. All of the above bought because it's so cool looking!

>>50039006
Yeah man, totally. You can't use the 40k codex, but you can totally use the models no problem.

>>50038809
Actually 30k is the ONLY time I have brought a plasma pistol and it was in the same unit the guy suggested

>>50039088
And did it do anything?

>>50039088

With the death dealer rule it might actually be useful for a change, making the sarge hit on a 2+. >>50039097

>>50038985

You don't. You run Scoria.

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>>50038243
>After the destruction of the Infidus Imperator, Kor Phaeron of the Word Bearers brought his followers to supposed safety in the Eye of Terror. However, their newly adopted home, the daemon world Sicarus, is far from the sanctuary they imagined – the twisted hordes of the Kairic Adept Larazzar seek to crush these newcomers and all who would ally with them.
Haha, chaos was a mistake, Word Cucks
>Only in the ancient legends of Sicarus can their salvation be found, but is Kor Phaeron the one to lead them to it?
I wonder if Kor will succeed, or fail and be retconned away. The suspense kills me deader than Horus.

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>>50039184
Likewise.

Guys, I need help.

I found out Zardu Layak makes Ashen Circle troops. Which means I can run Ashen Circle and Destroyers in an army with no Anti-Armor or Anti-Air. And with Angel's Wrath, they all have Hit and Run. So I can have two terrible jetpack units bouncing around being terrible bouncing in and out of combat as they get shot up by anything with an AV since they can't do crap against it.

Please stop me.

>>50039234
Rule of cool trumps everything.

>>50039234
How about Lightnings?

>>50038985
Can't you randomly run him in that indentured questoris knight list? I guess he just hangs and does some stuff while the robots deus vult.

I've got 225 points left in a 2000 point IF list

Got 3x Plas vets with sniper, Terminators and Praetor in an LR designed to fuck up objective hoggers, 2x Vindicators for the siege vibe and Kheres Mortis for dakka

What can I do with the remaining 225 points that's fluffy?

>>50039351
Plasma doesnt benefit very much from marksman, consider meltas for the chance of ID'ing a centurion/praetor
As for the points, if the vets dont have rhinos give them rhinos. If you do, get a Dorito for more long-ranged anti-tank

>>50039460
You aren't me

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Guys I want to stick breachers in a landraider but that will cost a billion points. But it would look so cool!

>>50039476
>Do it
>Fagget
Maybe shell for a cheaper LR Proteus? Breaching shields and plasma guns mean you aren't in such a hurry to assault.

>>50038801
>30k custodes are all about aggression, 40k custodes are defenders
U wot m8?
40k shield dudes are just generic fags with power sword+storm shield that can deep strike wherever they want.
30k shield dudes have rules that give incentive to stand in front of other units, to stand in shield formation and to tie up enemies and tarpit them in melee.

If you're surprised that a unit with halberds is aggressive, you might want to check yourself for brain damage.

>>50039546
>30k shield dudes have rules that give incentive to stand in front of other units, to stand in shield formation and to tie up enemies and tarpit them in melee.
SUEzerains are Fearless, have AP2 (autowounds on a to-hit of 6), defensive grenades and can gain counter-attack with the RoW. And mortals get inspired by their presence. And can have AP2 shooting as well. And Thunder hammers.
Not saying they mulch Custodians or anything (simply because i havent yet done the math), but Shieldstodians with King of King swords are nothing new nor game changing.

>>50039415
Only upgrades I can fit on the Dorito are Aiolos launcher or Hellfire Plasma

>>50039608
Yes Suzerains are OP as fuck, but what does that have to do with which set of rules for Custodes is fluffier?

>>50039645
I want Custodians to be uber OP and be priced accordingly. They should make other marines feel like mortals around them. I means srsly, if Sues have AP2 ccws, why can Custodes have something like that too?

>>50039678
Nerf the outlier, don't buff everything else. I'm trying to escape from the power creep of 40k.

>>50039702
But they will never nerf them. Never will...

>>50039541
How do I get plasma guns. There not listed in the breachers section.

>>50039330
I've ran him with my household. He's an okay repairman and his bonus to charges is nice to ha, but he costs a lot of points that aren't spent on knights. I'd much rather have a Lancer-Seneschal as my warlord and spend the rest on a bunch of upgrades.

>>50039678
Custodians
4 wounds, 4 attacks, Monsterous Creature, EW, IWND, ATSKNF (40k style)
130 points a dude

>>50039786

How about no.

>>50039730
It's a secret option, only available to us who mistake their options with the Warder ones.
>>50039786
ATSKNF would be nice, fitting for Custodes. Pretty much true AP2 is all I'm asking, since Power glaives and Invictarii are a thing already

>>50039806
Ok then. Seeing as my army is mostly rule of cool so I will see were my points go. If I have them I might give them a Landraider.

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>>50039546
40k Custodes have exaclty the same amount of incentives to stand before other units, except the 40k version lacks grenades and Rending, and has Deep Strike, meaning they'll be less likely to charge.
And halberds might be an agressive weapon, I like to think of spears mostly defensive weapons.

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>>50039874
CAN'T WAKE WITHIN, CAN'T SAVE WITHOUT

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>>50039874
T . H . I . C . C .

>>50039896
Anyone have a picture of how to do TSONS from the BoP how to paint?

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Can anyone post the new, changed, custodes rules? I can't find them anywhere

>>50039608
Need to be a command squad to be fearless actually.

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>>50039959
30k version

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>>50039959

This night lords theme 4chan has going on today is shit.

>>50039891
>40k Custodes have exaclty the same amount of incentives to stand before other units
3" unit coherency means 30k Custodes can cover more ground with fewer models.

>If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer’s unit, or from the target unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain. Similarly, if a model fires through the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer.

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>>50039959

>>50040209
>>50040101
>>50040085

Thanks!

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Didn't get any (You)'s last thread so I assume this list is alright, the idea is that the Assault Marines march up the board top munch on a MEQ squad, both HQ's join the butchers in the Assault ram to fuck up the nearest TEQ, while the Autocannons and Laser Destroyers partake in very un-WE activities and shoot up vehicles

Inductii and Cortus march up and punch things to death with S10

2497/2500 WE Bezerker Assault

HQ

Gahlan Surlak

Kharn - (Legacy of Blood)

Troops

18x Legion Assault Squad - (Chainaxes, 3x Power Weapon)
Legion Assault Sergeant - (Power Weapon)

18x Legion Tactical Squad (Augmented Inductii, Chainaxes, Legion Vexilla)
Legion Tactical Sergeant (Artificer Armour, Power Fist)

18x Legion Tactical Squad - (Augmented Inductii, Chainaxes, Legion Vexilla)
Legion Tactical Sergeant - (Artificer Armour, Power Fist)

Elites

3x Legion Apothecary - (1x Jump-Pack)

Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought - (2x D9CW, 2x Graviton Gun)

3x Legion Rapier Weapons Battery - (3x Laser Destroyer Arrays)

4x Red Butchers - (8x Power Axes)
The Devoured - (2x Power Axes)

Fast Attack

3x Outrider Squad - (3x Twin-linked Plasma Guns)

Heavy Support

Caestus Assault Ram

5x Heavy Support Squad - (5x Autocannons)

Why is new Battlescribe horrible and completely disorganised

>>50040300
>Power Weapon

You have to specify which one you pick when building the list, ya dingbat

>>50040388
Because the Emperor, fleshform of the Omnissiah, wills it.

>>50040388
They redid the core program architecture or something. That broke all the old rule sets.

It's like moving and you try and put everything away where it was before, but the cabinets are different sizes and there are 8 new ones that yell at you and trip all the circuit breakers when they are empty and the silverware drawer can't hold spoons anymore so those are scattered on the floor.

>>50040445
Assault guys and the Sarge are getting swords

>>50040388
>>50040471
The dev realized he priced it for lifetime too low. So he redid the exact same thing and you have to rebuy with a subscription this time.

>>50040661
God damn it, I'm so bad at keeping track when writing lists, Battlescribe really helps me keep things in order

So I'm about to play my first big Apoc game (7500 a side) and I am going to build an Ordo Reductor list for my 1500 points of it, heavy on the artillery. Does this sound OK?

Matrix of Ruin (1500)

HQ:
Calleb Decima - Invictus, Cyber-Familliar (235 pts)
Troops:

2x3 Thallax - Destructor, 1 Multi-melta (165pts each)

Scyllax - 4 models, 3 flamers, 1 rad-cleanser (205 pts)
In Triaros w/ Blessed Autosimulacra and Extra Armour (145 pts)

Elites:
Tech-Priest Auxilia - Reductor, servitors have 2x Flamer, 2x Servo-arm (90pts)

Heavy Support:

2x OR Artillery Tank w/ Medusa Cannon and twin-linked bolter (135 pts each)
1x Minotaur w/ Armoured Ceramite and pintle Heavy Bolter (225 pts)

Decima goes with the Scyllax in the Triaros, Auxilia TP plays engineer and repairs the artillery.
Allies are 40k Renegades and Heretics (4000pts) and Iron Hands (2000 pts).
Opponents are Ultramarines, SoH and Night Lords, and there will be Primarchs on the field.
Next game my Scoria Allied Detachment should be ready, but not this time.

>>50040724
It's still usable, it just takes a little more vigilance than it did before

With custodians in 30k how big would a block of sentinal guard need to be to reliably take on your standard 20 tactical marines?

>>50040838
Explain? It works fine for me for 40k, but for 30k it says all this stupid shit (like I have to have a Primus Redoubt among other things)

>>50041038

You ignore the warnings and add the stuff for the force you are making. And make sure you don't give any illegal options

holy shit, veteran tacs with marksmen and 2 heavy bolters are an amazing fucking unit
do they confer outflank to a dedicated transport?

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I went to the zoo this weekend and saw Alpharius.

Has anyone of you guys have links to Echoes of Imperium, or The Either audio drama?

>>50040900
- Eleven (10.59, to e exact) Sentinel Custodians would wipe out 20 basic tac marines in one go on the charge.
- Eightteen Sentinel Custodians would wipe out 20 20 basic tac marines in one go if they were charged.

>>50040834
I think the Matrix of Ruin cannot take allies. You're not using the +1LoW either, and barely have tanks that can exploit the "Scoring in the enemy's deployment zone", so don't sweat it: do regular Reductor instead.
Also remember: the Mechanicum has no assault transports.
And those particular oponents of yours can play the teleporting terminator game, so be wary.

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>>50041038
Your faith must be strong as a milk-soaked skellie.
>>50041145
Told you Alpharius could steal those Raven legion specifics, it was but a formatting issue.

>>50041139
I wanted to run these originally with IF, but people kept shouting NO at me until I got too scared to model them

>>50040101
>Not fearless
>Not LD10
Aren't these the Emperor's own bodyguard?

>>50041167
Ok
So a solid block of troops for standard 2500 pt games could be 2 units of 9 sentinal guard backed up by 1 squad of 9 custodian guard, all worth 1665pts

>>50041139
>Outflank
>When an Outflanking unit arrives from Reserves, [...] If such a unit deploys inside a Dedicated Transport, they may Outflank along with their Transport.
Yes.

So I want to get some actually 30k Models
I play
>Salamanders in 40k
I just use my 40k models in 30k because my friends aren't autistic.
HOW eva HOW eva.
I want to play a different legion, I am torn between the Ultramarines, and the Night Lords.
If I want to play Ultramarines should I get BaC or BoP? If I want to play Night Lords should I get BaC or BoP?

I really like NL, but I don't want to play the edge lord legion.

>>50041383
Nah. Sure they are basically immune to Fear, Stubborn Reroll-DtW Ld9 marines, but regular Salamander vets in the presense of Vulkan are too Stubborn Ld9 (Ld10 sarge) Adamantium Will immune to Fear marines.
And in the presence of Mortarion, all his army is Stubborn and also immune to Fear. No biggie

>>50041432
>BaC for the both of them

>>50041445
Custodes are a big deal, but Primarchs are an even bigger deal

>>50041456
Ave True To Kaiser
I guess I can grab the custodes from my friends boxes.

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>>50041432
>should I get BaC or BoP?
Get the one you like the most, m8

>>50041366
those people are faggots anon, with outflank now the heavy bolters are pretty worth it, fire on the move at 18" range
>>50041419
awesome

>>50041445
Stubborn?
They don't have that rule...do they?

>>50038255
can't stand eye of horus podcast. their use of "fucking" for every other word along with how unintelligible the aussie accent is...glad there are some american podcasts now.

>>50041494
I think I mistook "may always attempt to Regroup as an unmodified Leadership test regardless of casualties taken or other effects" with Stubborn, which is available to regular Vets of all legions.
Then the Death Guard and Salamander legions are half-way there on the issue of leadership. Fucking wimpy Custodes. Bring out those Deathshroud and Firedrakes, boys.

>>50039874
>guy Haley
I thought this guy was a fag worse than Gav Thorpe, also who decided 'Veteran' status would be denoted by those lines in knee pads

>>50041432

They both use Mk4 and Mk3 quite a bit, neither would be out of place

The only legions that look funny in a majority of their "wrong" power armor are IW, IH and salamanders

IW loved Mk3, still used Mk4. Hated mk6

IH used everything but loved Mk3. Hated mk6?

And salamanders specifically just don't give them Mk6.

Everything else for every other legion is fair game

Ok I cooked up my first list looking at people's thoughts on it.

+++ 1000 suns (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v32) (1952pts) +++

++ Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v180) (1952pts) ++

+ HQ (517pts) +

········Legion Centurion (115pts) [Power Armour, 2x Psy mastery levels (40pts)]Librarian

········Legion Praetor (402pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour Chainfist (15pts), Iron Halo (10pts), Volkite Charger (7pts)]

············Legion Terminator Command Squad (235pts)
Chainfist (10pts), 4x Legion Space Marine Chosen (60pts), Legion Standard Bearer, 2x Pair of Lightning Claws (30pts), Reaper Autocannon (15pts)]

+ Troops (565pts) +

········Legion Breacher Siege Squad (215pts) [Graviton Gun (15pts), 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines (135pts)]

········Legion Tactical Squad (175pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]
········Rules: Fury of the Legion
············Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Multi-melta (15pts)]

········Legion Tactical Squad (175pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]
········Rules: Fury of the Legion
············Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Multi-melta (15pts)]

+ Elites (325pts) +

········Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (190pts)
Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (190pts) [Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon (15pts)]

········Legion Dreadnought Talon (135pts)
Legion Dreadnought (135pts) [Plasma Cannon (10pts)]

+ Heavy Support (545pts) +

········Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Four Tempest Rockets, Reaper Autocannon battery (10pts)]

········Legion Heavy Support Squad (335pts) [Autocannons (50pts), 9x Legion Space Marines (180pts)]
············Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Multi-melta (15pts)]

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I'm painting my Imperial Knight the way I should've painted my Imperial Fists. Couldn't edge highlight last night because the coffee made my hand too jittery. I'll hopefully play a 2500 point game with my Fists this week. (Recast Sigismund for scale)

>>50041940
KA, please don't take this the wrong way but without the yellow I would have thought "Black Templar Knight".

>>50041989
I mean if his Fists are led by Sigismund, that's not a terrible issue.

>>50041940
>don't talk to me or my son ever again

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>>50041989
Not him but if the knights joining Siggy and his Templar Bros it probably should

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>>50041881
And even then they still had Corvus-like armour, being part of the original beta-testers

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So custodes (for 30k games), sword and shield or spear??

>>50041931
I also have a second list were I take 4 dudes of the auto cannon squad remove the rhinos multi melta and add another tac squad in a regular rhino.

>>50042048
Neither.

>>50042048
None until Inferno, I'd say. Without the full army list, they're just 'OK' units.

>>50041881
When I use my 40k Salamanders as 30k the MK7/8 is "Artificer Armor" Because the Salamanders are "Master Craftsmen."

I have the distinct advantage of being the only person to stick with one army (I have 6-7k Salamanders)

>>50042086
I have 5 though and want to build and paint them. Shall I just go with the coolest looking option

>>50041418
All worth 1575, by my count?
And god help you if the enemy has vindicators or a typhon. Or a dread of any melee flavor. Or...

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>>50042143
Custodian Halberds, mainly because I'm partial to poleweapons

>>50039874
When? Where? HOW? WHYYYYYYYY?

ALRIGHT ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL

PUTTING IT TO A VOTE

Do my IF Tac Vets get

A. HEAVY BOLTERS

B. PLASMA GUNS

>>50042048
Their 30k rules are kinda janky either way, but the sentinels are probably better. The guardian spear is astoundingly mediocre for such an investment.

>>50042265
>IF
>anything but bolt weapons
Seems like it's time for the pain glove.

>>50042265
>Update
Heavy Bolters

>>50042302
I originally had HBs in the list, waiting to be modelled on, and then fuckers kept screeching "REEE TOO MANY POINTS FOR THE SHOTS REEEEE"

>>50041989
>>50042016
>>50042018
I don't take that the wrong way at all. That's what I was going for. Wanted some Pacific Rim vibes with Sigismund running around giving the ID in duels and the Knight giving the D to everybody else.

>>50039234

I did it guys. Oh dear god this is such a mistake.

2500 pt WB Angel's Wrath

>HQ
175 Zardu Layak
100 Blade Slaves

150 Chaplain-Bro
>Tartaros Armor, Burning Lore

130 Primus Medicae-Bro
>Tartaros Armor

>Troops
300 Ashen Circle
>10 man, Artificer, Melta Bomb, Phosphex Bomb
>> x2

>Elites
360 Destroyers
>10 man, Jumpacks, Artificer, Phosphex Bombs, Powerfist
>> x2

>Fast Attack
115 Anvillus "Layak Party Bus" Pattern Dread Claw

Lightning Strike Fighter
>Missile Launcher x2, +Rad Missiles x2, Phosphex Clusterbomb, Ground Tracking Augries (Strafing Run), Servitor Control (Tank Hunter)
>> x2

This is such a mistake.... I see no way it can win any games, but I want to build it so much.

>>50041701
also who decided 'Veteran' status would be denoted by those lines in knee pads
Modellers

>>50042471
lightnings are 255 ea

forgot that bit

>>50042163
I also get 1575 when i do the math.
>>50042265
Imperial Fists
A
USE BOLT WEAPONS NERD

>>50041701
>I thought this guy was a fag worse than Gav Thorpe

Guy Haley isnt a bad writer, christ I fucking hated his Black Templar novels because they were nothing but the author being a cock puppet for BL to sell the new "lore" of Templars as the most tolerant chapter and I hated it even more because Haley isnt a bad writer, his prose is nice and fluid and he knows how to set up a story that keeps on being interesting and pulling you in as you read it.

Read Baneblade or Death of Integrity, both good stories, he also has a short story about Templars boarding a space hulk to skullfuck genestealer cultists which was amazing.

Do I want more troops or just the required 2 and more toys? Also how many points should I be going for.

Would like to make a small 30k Mechanicum detatchment to ally to my 40k Mechanicus (House Rule, you can have 25% of your points spent on 30k in your Primary Detachment) and I want to play withe the Battle - Automata but I have Kastelans already and find the Castellax a bit dull. Was thinking Scoria + 3 Vorax and that Strato-Automata as well as a unit or two of Thallax or Thralls.
How well do those bots play, I just want them as they look cool and wanted to convert myself a Dark Magos.

>>50042629
2k in 30k is about equivalent to 1.5k in 40k

Troops are the only ones who can hold objectives in 30k also, so plan accourdingly.

If you use 40k rules, troops and scoring units get obsec

>>50042629
Be way more specific - which legion takes your fancy - that will determine a lot. Do you want loads of tanks or infantry heavy?

Are people playing it near you?

>>50042629
Depends on how many other scoring units you have or what troops you have, personally I dont think 30k troops are all that "useless", specially support squads.

>>50042629
Really depends on the legion and RoW, but I am a firm proponent of there being no list that wouldn't be improved by two tactical blobs with apothecaries.

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Evening lads, I just bought my first tac squad today. Thinking of rolling with iron warriors. I have a few questions though, Are iron warriors good? And is the scheme simple? It looks simple enough but those dudes were expensive and I'm scared of fucking them up.

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so whats everyone doing with their ahriman and wolfman models?

Has anyone The Either audiodrama?

>>50042826
>Are iron warriors good? And is the scheme simple?

Yes to both, IW have arguably the best gunline army.

>>50042171
Kyoukai no kanata?

>>50042830
sold it saturday

>>50042830
Mine will become a Liberian.

>>50042664
If they're Cybernetica then they're pretty good. +1i on automata and increased range on the Cybernetica cortex is great. The vultarax looks almost too OP with its haywire gun. Doubt that'll be kept in its final rules.
Scoria hits like a truck.

>>50042048
Halberds. When in doubt, go for the signature weapon.

>>50042108
I'm continually hearing people say that they're not that great, but... like, they're fairly cheap, right? Going over their rules, they seem pretty good for the points.

>>50042830
Gonna use the torso, bolter and shoulder pads of not-Bjorn. Mix with warp talon legs with claws, Marine arms with wulfen hands, jump pack and the very decorative SW MkVI helmet from the Grey Hunter kit. Will make a nice Wulfened up Vigilator. Something that's both feared and respected, his armour adorned with charms to ward off evil forces, as well as respecting his combat prowess.

Stick him with some savage assault marines for Stealth and Scout on the unit.

>>50042863
Yes, but I found the animu because I was looking for polearms with embedded guns. But the titular pink haired protagonist looks cute.

>>50042553
>the author being a cock puppet for BL to sell the new "lore" of Templars as the most tolerant chapter

Don't forget the retcon that there's only 1000 Templars now and they use standard Codex organization outside of the big squads.

What worries me is what version of Peturabo Haley will go with. Will he go with Angel Exterminatus Peturabo, or Extermination Peturabo?

>>50042872
Cybernetica has that irritating 2-units-of-2 -castellax thing that puts it out of my 25% bracket, and the Vulturax was planning to be a horde-shredder anyway, seeing as I have Haywire in liberal amounts with Skitarii.
I am hoping that Scoria + 3 Vorax (Maybe with some buffs?) could take down the Bikestars and big Death Company/Hero balls I keep having to fight which is somewhat beyond my Dominus' capabilites even with an escort.

>>50042967
I said it once and I will say it again: Same Perturabo but they have different levels of pent up stress.

>>50043018
All I know is that I hate it when they make Perturabo behave utterly childish and punch his own officers to death because he's throwing a bitchfit

>>50043031
That's Perturabo venting. If he really released his full rage there'd be no Iron Warriors(or their ribs) left in the galaxy.

>>50042914
I'm no good at number crunching so I tend to just shrug and go along with it if enough of /hhg/ says it's now great. That said the lack of transport option honestly kills them for me right now. Plus, we know they're going to have a full army dedicated to them, I'd be amazed if that doesn't change how good the 2 units are even if their rules don't change.

>>50043075

Last time he really vented a tenth of the Legion was destroyed.

>>50043114
No that was to show them what daddy's like, what he expects, and "what are you going to do about? What? You think your marine sized feet are big enough to fill my Primarch sized shoes?" That sort of thing.

>>50038137
Deepstrike so they aren't pure undiluted shit in a normal game.

>>50042830
Trying to sell mine. If I could get a single Mk III for each of them, I'd be happy.

>>50042830
I was gonna turn Ahriman into a Wolfpriest, but then decided that it was a lot of effort. So I just orderd another not-Bjorn from ebay to turn into a Wolfpriest instead.

I might just gun Ahriman into a 40k Black Legion sorcerer.

>>50042948
It's as moe as it gets, also she got a corrosive blood blade.

>>50041069
>How do I fix this problem?
>Just pretend there's no problem

>>50043182
>tiny marine feetsies

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I'm repainting and rebasing my Iron Warriors. What do you gentlemen think of this guy?

>>50042948
The anime specially the ending is shit tho don't bother

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>>50043253
I know. I watched the fight.
>>50043300
I didn't, most anime dialogue is too cringey to watch in normal speed anyway. Hentai dialogue, however...

>>50043257
Primarchs have XXXL boots, Anon. Good for picking locks, and destroy a man's crotch with a field goal kick. The latter I heard happened in one of McNeil's stories. Before you ask it was an Iron Warrior doing it to a guardsman. So I heard.

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>>50043326
Behold! The average BL writing with an Eye of Horus or two as censorship.

>>50043103
Fair enough. I'm still planning on picking them up and running them with a fluffy Imperial Fists/Blood Angels Siege of Terra Shattered Legions list. They'll get better later, but I'm still going to run them as soon as possible.

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>>50042830
Just need to add a hovering sundisk to the helmet and then he's joining my small 40k Thousand sons army.

The dude next to him is suppose to be a volkite serpenta moritat. Gave him chargers because I had them left over and it looks cooler.

>>50043286
A) Damn nice
B) Crop the pic
C) What does that text say?
>>50043362
L-lewd
>>50043328
As in, bisect a person with a field goal kick? A 1000-times folded powered sabaton bisecting a mortal in full plate?

>>50042830
Wolfman is getting carved and scraped and filed to remove the wolfy wolf wolfiness, with his loincloth being replaced with chainmail (greenstuff for the win). Going to replace the bolter with a volkite charger. The end result, if I am pleased with it, becomes an IW centurion. If I am not pleased, he becomes another casualtiy of my stubborn nature and gets reassigned to the shelf.

>>50043441
Thank you! That pic actually is cropped, but I did it on my phone which was a major mistake. The text is the back of a Q-tip box.

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>>50043441
>As in, bisect a person with a field goal kick? A 1000-times folded powered sabaton bisecting a mortal in full plate?
Call it whatever you like, but know that your foot has destroyed a man's junk and pelvis.
>>50043501
At least it wasn't as bad as this. An Anon showed his WIP of a GUC/Nurgle and had a newspaper that constantly had bikini on it. Nurgle demands a beach apparently.

>>50043362
>Eye of Horus as censorship.
Anon...what is this?

Man I wish FW would sell jump packs, only GW sells them and its the MkVII ones, does anyone know of any cool looking jump packs? I jjst want to make the mkIII marines into destroyers.

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>>50043581
Had to use something to cover a few holes so I can't be canned.

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>>50043589

I was considering using Kromlech Chaos ones.

http://bitsofwar.com/home/390-chaos-legionary-jump-pack.html

You may also want to try Emailing FW and ask if they will do custom orders of dual pistol arms and MKIII jetpacks

>>50043614
Oh I know why you had to censor it, but using the Eye as a censor. I don't know, feels like using the UM Omega to cover nipples or something. Feels weird, feels heretical.

>>50043589
MkIII marines don't wear jump packs, as the armor is too heavy.

All other amor marks have them though.

No, the Ashen Circle wear unique MkII, not MkIII.

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Okay, so I want to make an army list representing the Fists and Angels at the Siege of Terra, and figured this would be fun and relatively cheap to build towards. It comes out to about 2100 points so far, any idea on what I should add?

Shattered Legions – Imperial Fists and Blood Angels

-HQ-
Imperial Fists Praetor - 185
-Solarite Power Gauntlet
-Archaeotech Pistol
-Digital Lasers
-Iron Halo

Blood Angels Champion Centurion - 145
-Artificer Armour
-Jump Pack
-Pair of Lightning Claws (Master-crafted)
-Refractor Field
-Melta Bombs

-TROOPS-
Legion Tactical Squad (IF) - 265
-10 Additional Legionaries
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Sword

Legion Tactical Squad (IF) - 265
-10 Additional Legionaries
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Sword

Legion Assault Squad (BA) - 210
-2 Power Weapons
-Sergeant w/Power Fist

-ELITES-
Templar Brethren - 355
-4 Additional Templar Brethren
-9 Combat Shields
-Legion Vexilla
-Sergeant w/Solarite Gauntlet and Plasma Pistol

Land Raider Phobos Dedicated Transport - 250
-Extra Armour
-Armoured Ceramite

-HEAVY SUPPORT-
Legion Heavy Support Squad (IF) - 160
-Missile Launchers

-ALLIED DETACHMENT – LEGIO CUSTODES-
Custodian Guard Squad - 275
-2 Additional Custodian Guard

>>50043673
It is BL writing. The Eye makes It less heretical somehow.

So I'm wondering whether squads of 10x Legion Veterans with 2 Heavy Bolters & Banestrike Ammunition would be very good in a POTL Alpha Legion Force

>>50042986
OK, some helpful MEGA reading later I am pleased with my ideas and the Vorax look great with a bit of cybertheurgy.
Havent found the rules for Scoria yet though, I just want to build him. Is he quite good enough to deal with the Bangle and Chaos special characters in melee? Tired of losing Slay the Warlord to some random lord every time and "hits like a truck" while nice to know, is a bit subjective.

>>50043922

will you use the marksman rule? In that case the banestrike would be redundant.

>>50042331
HBs on vets aren't a super competitive choice but they're still decent. With marksmen veterans the standout choices are either flamers, heavy bolters or no special weapon at all. When in doubt, go for the fluffier choice since you're an IF and all.

>>50043973
>With marksmen veterans the standout choices are either flamers, heavy bolters or no special weapon at all
I disagree. Marksmen veterans are best with missile launchers because of the Sniper rule conferring to the frag templates.

>>50044052
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about frag missiles. Will you really be able to match the average 2 hits per shot of a BS4 heavy bolter with a scattering small blast against an aware opponent, though?

Anyone have any suggestions on what else I can put on a jump pack praetor with a thunderhammer and iron halo?

>>50043927
Read HH6 and see how Scoria can be a danger to the Primarchs themselves, while having a Cybertheurgy power that affects a whole squad. Like melee Vorax. Then you tell us what you think.

>>50044052
For IF both options are good, personally I will always lean towards the Missile Launcher because of what you said and because it adds some anti-armor but the heavy bolter choice isnt that much of a loss when you're firing at BS5 vs a blast, at that point it really is about personal preference and if you are in need of anti-tank or not.

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>>50044052
Bleh. Attacks that do not roll to hit shouldn't be affected by the Sniper rule. But the new edition will surely be concerned with more pressing matters like how many meltabombs can a squad of 20 use in melee and the like.

>>50044130
Legion? Cause I can think ofa few defending on your answer.

>>50043927

He statistically nukes every primarch except Horus. They kill each other after six rounds.

He can take a D-thirster 7/10 times.

I had my first game of 30k (and first of 40k since v4) a few days ago at my local GW store. We played a little game of 1000pts (just so it's not grey armies) RG (me) vs BA. It was great fun even with quite a lot of rule mistakes.
We rolled Tide of carnage.
I see a lot of people taking marksman vets and I wanted to try them out but they really felt underwhelming. Same with the power axe delegatus, either the target was soft, and the Furies already cleaned it, or met his end by a perdition blade. The Sicaran was really impressive even if I forgot to make it shoot a turn, taking out a predator and a dreadnought before they could deal too much damage.
In the end, I played hide & seek with what was left of my vets (thanks fleet) and manage to barely win 3/2.
5/7 would play again with larger armies.

>>50043970
Not this anon but brainstorming a similar choice in my AL POTL list. The idea is giving banestrikes as a poor man's Sniper to free up a different Veteran special rule that can hopefully synergies with the Mutable Tactics choices.

>>50044173
ultramarines

>>50044144
>>50044202

Eeeeee....
WHAT THE HELL?
OK, I feel this guy needs a 150pt increase at least.
Does the D3 wounds thing work on Mortarion?
Also how the hell do you kill him even with D? He just LoSs it to a Vorax or even one of 20 Tech-Thralls he's hanging with, and keeps on bashing the enemy in the face then firing 4 separate guns at them as they run.
OK, I want to convert this guy even more now, but I feel I may need to houserule his weapon to 1 autowound and maybe get rid of the cybertheurgy to balance him a bit.
Thanks for the pointer, but holy hell. Guilliman and Angron (the only two Primarchs I might fight) dont stand a machine spirit of a chance.

>>50044166
To be fair, once you hit squads of over 10, that can become an issue. Against a small tank of 3-5 hull points sure it doesn't matter, but to a superheavy it's slightly unfair if one unit can just swarm it and blow it to kingdom come

>>50041167
>What is sweeping advance.

>>50044277

He's fine. His problem is how damn slow he is. Add that to an army with no assault transports and you'll be struggling to get him into combat.

>>50044277
>Does the D3 wounds thing work on Mortarion?
Nobody knows. It's not really a roll but some autowounds, so maybe it does. Maybe it penetrates Dorn's Auric armour.
>OK, I want to convert this guy even more now, but I feel I may need to houserule his weapon to 1 autowound and maybe get rid of the cybertheurgy to balance him a bit.
You are a good sensible anon. May scorpions visit you. This is non negotiable.

>>50044279
*hugs you with over 400pts of Melta Ass marines*

>>50044320
Fair point, but that still projects a 13" bubble of FUCK YOUR MELEE as well as a whole bunch of poison and miscellaneous AP3 dakka, so him + 3 vorax is pretty much exactly what I need to kill Guilliman. He spends every game hanging around with 10 or so Cataphractii and the other part of the army is a Tiggy Gravstar and probably a Skyhammer (downside to our hybrid format). That way he wounds with grav on a 4, then tanks his way through 9 wounds, then finally has to beat 5+ FnP and a 3++ before Scoria beats his termies into necron dust.
Also, Thralls. Enjoy 4+ to wound and then 5+ FnP.
I think he'll have his houserule babby shoes on unless my opponent decides to run full cheese.

>>50043727
How are you running an Allied detachment without a HQ?

>>50044406

>skyhammer
>full cheese

He already went their. Drop the Omnisah's beats on him.

>>50043722
Haven't the changed it again so Mk III is lighter on the back to make up for the weight at the front?

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>>50044504
Yup. I still want mkiii ass marinen

>>50044465
Oh, it was already on the way. I just didn't have a way to kill it until now. Swearing righteous retribution is only any good when you stand a chance.
Scoria is going to be leading a coalition of World Eaters, Mechanicum and Iron Hands to the next big game and I give it good odds that we can win, especially with Angron backing us up.

>>50044537
>coalition of World Eaters, Mechanicum and Iron Hands
Got a fluff reason for Iron Hands hanging out with them?

>>50044465
I hate this mentality of one-upping cheese. All it does is lead both sides to misery.

>>50044577
Not that guy, but maybe the Mechanicum is both the IH's and WE's mutual friend? Sarum.

>>50044537
>>50044577
iron hands and mechanium is eternally classic
wold eaters though?
but fuck em its a game, play to win

>>50044635
I like >>50044617 better.

Could be that Sarum (or some vassal forge world of theirs) had an Iron hands honour guard garrison that was corrupted by a warrior lodge or something. Use your imagination, homes.

>>50044635
>wold eaters though?
The WE saved the redjak, man, and they built all kinds of ursus claws.

>>50044523

Where did this come from?

>>50038070
Whadaya all think of my 2k alpha legion list?

HQ
Delgatus(warlord), AA, Refrator field, MC combi-plasma
Viglator, AA, RF, power axe


Troops
10 vet tacs, snipers, 2 HB
10 vet tacs, snipers, 2 HB,rhino, MM,


Elites
Mortis, Khers
Cortis, chainfist
dread, flamestorm
Fast attack
10 Seekers, combi-plasmas
Heavy support
Sicaran, lascannon,multimelta


HQ
commander
Troops
Lasrifle section
Elites
enginseer Auxilia, +4 servo, grenade lauchers

>>50044596
It is a bad mentality, and I am sorry, but skyhammer triggers me.

>>50044733
The Burning of Prospero fluff pamplet that comes in the box.

Speaking of Mechanicum and Fluff integration into your armies.

I've been toying with the idea of including one or two Thallax Cohort Squadrons in my army as a type of "Boarding Servitors", being used on boarding torpedos, seeing how Servitors are less of a loss than highly trained astartes, should the torpedo miss it's target.

>>50044691
well bam. there ya go

>>50044577
Not him but, some IHs surrendered, scratched off their old iconography and said they were sons of the Warmaster, as such these iron hands are used as pawns in the great game as they are easily expendable

>>50044759
What's the deal with everybody taking MM on theirs rhinos?

>>50045056
Cant talk for others, but i do love a good multimelta. also, its cheap, and means you can actually do something with it. basically makes it a razorback infernus with a 10 CC and 2 fire points, for 50 points

>>50044934
Or just use standard praevian fluff

>>50045056
turns it from a mobility device and bubble wrap to something that's actually potentially threatening after it delivers it's payload

>>50043727
give the blood angel a blade of perdition instead, it's way better, also you will need to run a minimum of 2 units of custards for the allied detatchment

>>50045241
Thanks senpai, will do.

I'm probably going to run a unit of Fist quad mortars and an Angel fast attack unit. Maybe jetbikes or a Fire Raptor or something.

are IH Quad Launchers affected by the inviolate armour rule?

>>50045310
Only their crew.

How viable is an all terminator IW list?

Considering turning traitor

>>50045476
They're fairly viable. Definitely one of the better legions for all-terminator lists, but I don't recommend footslogging them.

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>>50045515
>not footslogging everything

Can someone link me to that 1d4chan user who has a primarch pointing guide?

>>50045561
How do you even write a guide for painting primarchs? They're big huge character models, the only tips you can really apply to them are "Don't suck" and "Be Careful"

>>50044934
Thallax aren't really Servitors due to them having independant though and control of their bodies, whereas Servitors are mindless.

I find it hilarious that FW made one of their upgrade oprions give them the ability to deepstrike, when as Jet Pack Infantry, they already can.

>>50045476
Go Golg to use whatevef RoW you want with them. Pride if you want to use your own Praetor/Centurion.

>>50045561
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Josman#Primarch_Templates

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>tfw actually hyped to paint a million tactical marines

So is it a typo when the Red book says Terminators can take Deathclaw Drop pods, or is that just the 'regular' drop pod and not the Dreadclaw?

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Wee woo wee woo wee woo

Primus Medicae coming through !

>>50045610

The upgrade lets them deepstrike in zone mortalis. While extremely situational, it does have a purpose.

>>50045739
Yes, but wouldn't they be able to in the first place?

>>50045718
remove loincloth

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What is actually the difference between 30k mk IV armour and normal 40k space marines; armour? Pic related (mark IV armour from Calth).

>>50045767
Not in ZM, where you can't use deepstrike involving aerial deployment like it happens with jet-units. Empyrite Thallaxi teleport into battle like termies. They also gain Hardened armour.

Still extremely situational, nver buy this shit.

>>50045800
Pic also related (normal 40k space marines tactical squad). I got prospero on Saturday and have just ordered Calth but feel like Calth isn't as cool as the armour is basically the same as normal whereas mk III looks epic.

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>>50045823
>>50045800
forgot pic

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>>50045843
You can't use those in 30k.

>inb4 casuals who say it's ok to use incorrect armour marks outside siege of terra

>>50045796
But then the horrid scars that were left behind after cutting away the wolf pelt can be seen

>>50045868
but the loincloth position looks like shit too

>>50045868
I thinnk it looks fine. Just do a good job with the paint work anon. Or else.

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>>50045867
what is mk 6

>>50045867
yes but what is the actual aesthetic difference?

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>>50045948
shit

>>50045867
There's a fuckton of MkVI bits in there, you can easily kit bash a heresy era marine out of it using MkIII-IV and the MkVI in that box.

>>50045975
If you look at the two marks of armor, you'll be able to notice the differences right away. MkIV is more squared than MkVII and VI, the knees and helmet are the best examples of this. MkIV has square kneepads that jut out from the lower leg, whereas MkVII and VI have rounded plates that stay where they are. The helmets look massively different as well.

Plus, lore-wise, MkVII is simplified MkIV, to summarize it.

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>>50046040
>mixing marks

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>>50046040
poorfag talk

>>50046081
Wait, MkVI actually doesn't have kneepads, being only two large playes instead.

>>50046099
don't gatekeep you nigger. as long as he paints his models he can use whatever he wants. I just saw a 30k game this weekend where both 2000 point armies were completely unpainted, unprimed, and 100% forgeworld. fuck that triggered me.

>>50045800
in literal terms?

slight differences in weapon options (the mk3 marines have no missile launcher or flamer)

in fluff terms?

Mk IV is the best production armor available at the outset of the heresy. The brand spankin' new stuff, fresh off the forges.

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reminder

>>50045610
yeah I know that, but as sentient robots they wouldn't suit my needs.

I love their models though.

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>>50046137
Half-assing is still screwing up.
>>50046161
Literal half-asses

>>50046161
>Day 47:
>we have yet to have a day without being assaulted by the legs.

>>50046175
post your full-assed dudes or start namefagging so I can stop reading you shit up threads worse than angrywhiteguy.

>>50045800
>>50045823
>>50045843
Look at the helmet, wrists, and knees.

ok so would it be seen as acceptable to have a space wolves or thousand sons army with a mix of mk 3 and mk 4??

>>50046163
Ah don't worry about sentience, they still have enough directives on their brains that it doesn't matter, they'd follow any order for a dose of painkillers.
Because they're in constant agony. No wonder the redjack and WE got along so well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A56135DgHs8
>mfw this M2 nigga has more firepower than a Thalax
I think this is what Satarael sort-of looks like? Along with some Castellax bits?

>>50046229
That's fine.

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>>50046175
>Half-assing is still screwing up.

I wasnt half assing it though, the marks used are all heresy era and even if the kit doesnt scream heresy you can still use the 40k tac squad to make one, its not like FW isnt showing you mixed armor marks, the possibility is there and the more kits you can use the better in my opinion. But whatever floats your boat dude, if you want be an armor elitist go for it, I'll be here having fun mixing shit up even if my painting is shit.

>>50046161
Fuck that, I'd rather fight bunch of MkVII dudes that are at least assembled than that, I'd be so dissapointed if my opponent showed that.

>>50045867
>>50046081
>>50046126
>>50046152
>>50046227
>>50046288
cheers for all the responses. Hyped to get painting and get playing

>>50046312
I thought you were saying you could use the full MkVIII instead of the MkVI bits.
Damn, I'm not the dude who posted those Perty pics and I'm getting shit up for a single comment instead of him. Fuck him, man. And (You). And me too :^/
And then I get called worse than Angry White. T-that really hurt nigga.

>>50046161
it's called LEGionairs for a reason

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Can anyone tell me what books I should check out to learn more about the Iron Hands fluff post-dropsite?

I've read Fulgrim and skimmed Massacre but that's about the limit of my IH fluff experience.

>RIP MANUS, TAKEN TOO YOUNG

>>50046427
Meduson, probably.

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>>50046427
Book 6 has a really good chapter about Autek Mor and his Iron hands boys fucking some World Eaters up the ass with a Tactical Assault Moon.

>>50046095
>Not mixing marks
>Not salvaging arms and armor from friend and foe alike as you do whatever is necessary to stay functional bereft of support
>Not reflecting the desperation and confusion in a galaxy gone mad on your models

>>50046427
>>50046578

Post Dropsite, IH divided into two schools of thought.

You have Meduson, who started a massive shadow war and harassed traitor supply lines and basicly founded the shattered legions.

Then you have Autek Mor, who went scorched earth, burnt worlds, and generally murdered everyone.

>>50046868
There's also the third, who saw Horus as the true inheritor of the Imperium, true strength and saw the weakness of the loyalist.

For the Warmaster, because Ferrus was a weakling!.

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>>50046901
Wear the Eye...only to deface it with traitor blood! As Angry as Ferrus! Iron more Bitter than the IVth! Turn the keys of Hel!

Which side does the Iron Hands emblem go on? Their anatomical left?

>>50046868
Why is Autek Mor so fucking great?

>>50046982

He dropped a moon on the WE primary fortress world, THEN landed to steal their geneseed

>>50046974
Stand down everyone, looked it up myself. Anatomical left.

>>50047002
>>50046982
Not to mention his artwork depicts him about two seconds away from pulling a coolface.

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>>50044691
Speaking of, Contemptor-pattern Ursus Claws when?

>>50047069
Hey if WB get a special Dread WE deserve one too

Can anyone mathhammer/give their opinion on Thallax with Heavy Chainblades and the Ferrox upgrade versus MEQ, TEQ and CEQ (Cataphractii equivalents)?

Because the thought of angry cyborg-skeletons with jetpacks REEEEE-ing and Rageing at everything with S7 attacks sounds awesome.

Did Gulliman have a personal guard or special chapter for his best men like Fulgrim did with his Pheonix Guard and 3rd Company?

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Had a friend prime the first half of my World Eaters stuff since I can't use spray cans at my new place. I'm so excited to paint this thing up in white and blue (after I finish my Imperial Knight)

>>50047136
FOLLOW SAINT DUNCAN'S WORLD EATER GUIDE OR SUFFER THE WRATH OF ANGRON!

>>50047136
>>50047152
Taking bets on whether or not he actually does weathering, battle damage, etc.

>>50047136
>empty smoke launchers
You hurt me

>not centered
[Angry shouting in the distance.]

At least the choice in ride is good.

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>>50047136
>not removing the eagles
>drilling smoke launchers

>>50047191
>>50047192
I realized not to drill the smoke launchers too late, but eagles are perfectly fine, anons. It's the Palatine Eagle that isn't allowed.

KA, you better not screw up painting it.

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>>50047192
That only applies for marines, my nigga.
>>50047136
I wonder if this could also count as bare ceramite
>>50047104
ok

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>>50047221
>eagles on a traitor tank

>>50047152
>>50047221
DUNCANS GUIDE WILL BE FOLLOWED TO THE FUCKING LETTER. just picked up Ulthuan Grey/Macragge Blue/Calgar Blue this afternoon so I didn't use my current grey/blue paints that were not Duncan-ordained.

>>50047173
I'll take that bet, probably not til after I'm done and can practice on old models. weathering/battle damage looks great when you're good, but holy shit it looks terrible if you're not good.

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>>50046484
I'll check it out.

>>50046578
Oh shit, he's the Brazen Claws guy isn't he?

>>50046868
Both seem like noble goals to me.

I'm mostly trying to learn about IH because their "40k fluff" seems pretty limited as pic related and there seems like there should be more to them out there.

It's a bit odd I guess that I've always loved the Mechanicum but never really got into the IH before.

subtext of looking for a 30k legion to start that could be easily swap-able between 30k to 40k since my area is fairly isolated and could utilize Mechanicum/Skitarii ally stuff

>>50047133
Yeah, kind of. The Suzerain Invictari.

Each Tetrarch (the four astartes governors of the four regions of Ultrama) each had a unit of them as their personal household troops. They were elite dudes who also stood in as honour guards for Gulliman whenever he visited one of the regions of Ultramar. They're the fully blinged out guys with the gold masks and the kilts and cloaks. They also all had access to Termie armour.

If you want to model something a bit wilder, there's the Red-Marked, who basically fill the 'veteran infantry with access to everything' role.

>>50047263
I thought 40k Iron Hands weren't that angry about things anymore, but instead cold, calculating and having contempt for flesh, Ravenguard, Salamanders, flesh, weakness, flesh, traitors, but mostly flesh.

The reason for them abandoning their flesh, humanity and emotions being that Ferrus Manus got himself killed when he was really angry, ergo emotions = weakness.

>>50042194
>when
2017
>where
Rebellion of Olympia
>how
WITH BITTERNESS BROTHER

>>50047263
See, most things that arent primarchs can be used with 40k rules too.

>>50047344
Tetrarch sounds rad a fuck. Have they all been named? I love the cool names the modern 40k Ultramarines have like High Suzerin of Ultramar and stuff.

>>50046427
Meduson.

Also pick up Riven just to get in how betrayed and hopeless they feel

40k player looking to get into 30k here.
How easy would it be to get into HH and how different/similar are the rules?

>>50047133
All of them did
>>50047424
Three have been, the fourth one only in FW and the way it sounded in Tempest he died on Calth

>>50047238
Happens more often than you'd think.

>>50047438
get out

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>>50047463
Forgot pic.

>>50047438
Uses the same BRB, some things could be different though.

Depending on the faction you want to do, you'll need the Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Armies and Age of Darkness Legions for both the army list and legion rules/characters. Taghmata Army List for Mechanicum, Titans, and Knights. Imperial Armies for Militia, Solar Auxilia, and Questoris Knights.

>>50047473
Don't be rude, anon.

>>50047483
How did blood get there? Just, how?

>>50047495
Oh, I forgot to mention that Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and White Scars rules are instead in Book VI, rather than AoD Legions. Thousand Sons and Space Wolves have yet to get their own rules come February.