Warhammer 40k General

>>50039906
Quick, what's the most points effective tank in the game

>>50039944
THE LEMMING RUSE

The wave serpent

>>50039944
Does that include walkers?

>>50039944
The Rhino. It's 35 points can carry dudes and has a stormbolter.

STOP SPLITTING THE GENERALS
USE THE ONE THAT WAS ALREADY UP

>>50030682
>10/30/16(Sun)17:45:14

>>50039906
>10/31/16(Mon)10:37:22

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>50039989
>thread war part two
I roll to seize the initiative

>>50040010
You have, to date, Never seized the initiative.

>>50039989
Everyone ditched that thread the first time an alternative appeared.
Why would they willingly go back just because it refused to die for long enough.

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>>50040091
Oh really?
then what do you call this 6!

Reposting to the DA dude in case we missed each other in the migration
>>50038806
>6" move
But can't i run in the shooting phase? With the Crusader rule i get another die for running, too. Won't this be enough to catch up to people?
With this in mind however it makes more sense to deep-strike the Termis towards objectives rather than characters or armour.

Also, is a Venerable dread worth the points? I've always thought it would be better to get an Ironclad since if they get through the armour, you're pretty boned no matter the reroll.

>>50040221
>deep-strike the Termis towards objectives

In which case they are over-costed and glorified objective holders that could be a drop pod of tacticals instead

>Also, is a Venerable dread worth the points? I've always thought it would be better to get an Ironclad since if they get through the armour, you're pretty boned no matter the reroll.

I can only use Ven Dreads with my Deathwing so I am not sure.

>>50040221
>But can't i run in the shooting phase? With the Crusader rule i get another die for running, too. Won't this be enough to catch up to people?

Forgot to answer to this. It might be but there is so much AP2 these days that you could get obliterated in the next shooting phase because, again, you can't assault from Deepstrike so you would have to run for cover because getting closer just means easier shooting for your opponent.

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Posting again before sending off the to painter.

>>50040383
>not building and painting your own minis
Why do people like you even play 40k? The gameplay alone is shit.

>>50040598
>The gameplay alone is shit.
Not him but if he wants his army to look cool and doesnt have the skill for it that is his choice.
Gameplay is only shit if you let it, my playgroup is flourishing and we always have good games.

>>50040383
unbound?

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>>50040383
Where are you getting them painted? Any recommendations?

>>50039944
sicaran

>>50041175
you can literally see what formations he's taking you ape

>>50039944
Wyvern at 65 points.

>>50041314
A single Aegis line is its own formation?

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>>50040598

Honestly, I like the setting. I find the game fun and why is this shit? It's not even cheesy if only a little spammy. MT literally only have 5-6 units to begin with in their codex and I want to play them because they look cool.

>>50041243
I'm using this guy since his quality is bretty good, he's responsive, and he's fairly priced.

facebook com/perpetualpainting/

Here's his Armies on Parade Entry.

>>50041351
Are you really this dense or are you pretending?

>>50041374
(not that anon, but) "Fortification Detachment" doesn't exist.

>>50041351

BattleScribe has got some weird errors and quirks and the only way I could add an ADL was by pulling it into it's own formation?

>>50041390
>>50041392
That's what I thought.

>>50041408
I don't think they can just be taken individually like that in a bound army.

>>50040278
Welp, i guess i'll be ready to get shot up.

But do you think your kit-out for the Dread is the best for a list like mine? Considering i'll probably just drop it somewhere close to intense combat.

What are the best allies for a mostly harlequin army? I kinda just need ranged anti armour and maybe some pinning stuff but I'd like to keep the "gotta go fast" theme.

>>50041454
Eldar

>>50041390
it mentions the book its from you ape

>>50041505
Have you read that book monkey boy?

>>50041505
Please show me the page that defines the Fortification Detachment.
Protip, you can't, because it doesn't exist.

>>50041454
Fuck yeah boy, i've been meaning to ask

500 POINT HARLEQUIN LIST
GO

So my Space Wolves have been doing great lately. I am really suprised by the results of switching the Rhinos to Drop pods. Also the third unit of grey hunters is way better than using Murderfang. All I can think of to move up my army to the next level is some Wulfen but I cant decide if I should toss in a Murderpack or just use them in slot and maybe with a flier.

ThunderWolf Lord w/ Black Death+Storm Shield (195)

Five Thunderwolf Cavalries w/ 5 Storm Shields + 3 Power fist + 2 Wolf Claw (390)

Three units of Ten Grey Hunters w/ 2 Melta Guns + Combi Melta in Drop Pods (215/per)

Two unites of Five Long Fangs w/ 4 Missile Launchers (135/per)

1500/1500

>>50041790
Shadowseer 65pts
Haywire grenades
Harlequin Troupe - 180pts
(Takes a Starweaver as a ded.trans for 75)
Harlequin Troupe - 180pts
(Takes antoher Starweaver)
Voidweaver - 75pts

Run the two Starweavers in and drop them on objectives, let the Shadowseer use her broken psyker powers, run around with the Voidweaver to draw fire and give fire support

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What's the bet way to represent a Steel Legion army on the table?

>>50039944
wave serpent

>>50041965
vets in chimeras

>>50041965
If you're just talking fluffwise and not effectiveness it's just everything must have a dedicated transport and all open-topped vehicles are upgraded with armored compartment.

>>50041335
Renegade Wyvern at 55pts.

>>50041965
Emperor's Blade Assault Company formation.

>>50039944
renegade Griffon
S6 large blast + heavy flamer
35pts

>>50039944
Manticore emplacement, 100pts for a S9 AP2 7'' blast.

>>50039989
We already ignored the meme general once, we will ignore it again. Stop trying to push shit on 4chan, do that to old people on infomercials.

>>50039944
Used to
Be THE MONOLITH
Now probably a rhino

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Fist of Medusa Strike Force
Space Marines: Iron Hands

**Armoured Task Force** (455)

predator (115)
-lascannon sponson

predator (115)
-lascannon sponson

predator (115)
-lascannon sponson

Techmarine (110)
-bike, servo

**Stormlance Battle Demi-Company** (755)

Chaplin (110)
-bike

Tactical squad (150)
-razorback w/ tl assault cannon
-flamer

Tactical squad (150)
-razorback w/ tl assault cannon
-flamer

Tactical squad (150)
-razorback w/ tl assault cannon
-flamer

Devestator squad (145)
-2 lascannon
-rhino

Attack bike (50)
-melta

**Strike Force Command**

Chapter master (240)
-bike, Gorgons chains, TH, LC

**Librarius Conclave** (550)

Librarian (110)
-lv2, bike

Librarian (110)
-lv2, bike

Librarian (110)
-lv2, bike

Librarian (110)
-lv2, bike

Librarian (110)
-lv2, bike

>I know I know, smashfucker etc. but I wanna run a small but effective bikestar list for the fun of it
>the star is 4 libs (rolling on biomancy for endurance, then telepathy till shrouding or invis) the chap, and Smashfucker
>I know its not maxed out, but I dodnt wanna go over like 800 pts on 6 models+keep some field control and range shooting

>>50043004
Smashfagger lol

>>50043041
>smushfugger, I know
but I need atleast 1 stupid list with him

Didn't get a reply last thread

Finally finalised my Cult Mechanicus starter list. What do you think?

>HQ
>Tech-priest Dominus - 150pts
>Artificer armour; Volkite blaster; Macrostubber; Power axe; Mechadendrite harness; Scryerskull; Conversion field; Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land

>TROOPS
>x3 Kataphron Destroyers - 180pts
>Kataphron demiplate; Plasma culverins; Cognis flamers

>x3 Kataphron Destroyers - 165pts
>Kataphron demiplate; Heaven grav-cannons; Phosper blasters

>TOTAL - 495pts

I'm aware that people look down on not always picking grav, but I'm not exactly playing to win here.

My idea of a strategy is to attach the Dominus to the plasma Kataphrons, and advance towards the enemy with the grav Kataphrons firing from the back line. The Dominus will repair any Gets Hot wounds that occur and keep them going, and once the enemy are within flamer range he'll leave the squad and charge into melee

>>50043179
you're trying to shoeorn in those plas culverns too much
just run the grav and sit back
>also grab a box of k-bots

>>50043248
>>50043179
Or even better, just run torsion cannons.
They're like plasma but weird, interesting, and useful.

>>50043156
Good list then

>>50043264
and cheaper
>>50043312
well thanks anon, I hope its fun to play against
while also being an actually useful deathstar, if thats a thing
>still like the tanks the best

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also how do people feel about the possibility of a 1+FnP

does the maximum save paragraph on BrB rule book pg 38 apply to Fnp?
>I know, I know but just RAW speaking, since fnp isnt a save, can it be improved to basically (beside instand death and D) auto pass?

>>50043477
RaW, yes, a 1+ FNP cannot be failed, however GW FAQ'd that away

>>50043477
No, 1 is always a fail only applies to armor saves. FNP isn't counted as those, so a 1+ FNP will auto succeed.

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>>50043179
>basic 500 point list for ad-mech is just 6 heavy weapons on wheels

>>50043529
FAQ corrected that.

>>50043520
oh they did FAQ it?
do you know when they did that or possibly have a link?
I can't find it

>>50043579
It's on their Facebook page, the big one they're been doing.

>>50043609
I'll take your word for it, I don't have a FB account and I can't stand trying to find that fucking page and getting prompted to log in every 5 seconds

Have any of you ordered Corsairs from Z? The only pictures I can find of his casts are in this album: imgur.com/a/czVrD

However, they look a bit shit compared to what I've received from him before. Anybody had experience?

>>50043680
Yeah, that's the reason I didn't go find it for you.
Better to just keep begging anons for it.

>>50043793
yeah I mean at the end of the day there is the house ruling for everything at my FLGS and they are pretty good about everything
>plus thats where I play, so if there's no one to play, well then theres no one to play

>>50043248
>>50043264
I LIKE plasma, okay? I'm going for what I think looks neat, rather than a mono-grav list

>>50043533
6 heavy weapons, 3 flamers that auto hit on snapshot, 3 bolter-equivalents and one MONSTER of a HQ unit

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>>50043989
its obviously not ok
you need dakka

>>50041965
Three Riptides.

>>50044033
I've got LOTS of dakka! Blast templates for DAYS son!

And that macrostubber is five shots at once!

>>50044191
the marcostuber is good, personally I like the eradication ray
I don't like blasts because of the lack of snap shots
plus T5 4+ is not very tough and should be kept at maimum range at all times
you have to play gunline with cult mech, you cant really get field control without skittles

Does anyone know of any good techmarine/chaplain bike conversions? I have loads of bits and no chaplains and want someone to buff my Ravenwing Command Squad in addition to librarians.

>>50044748
>Take space marine on bike
>Remove head, put a skull in it's place
>Give power maul
>Instant chaplain

For techmarine, simply look at what your codex says he is equipped with while on a bike, and fucking do that.

Does anone who buys from China know whether the kits like Hydras, Hellhounds, etc can also make Wyverns, Bane Wolves (or Chimeras)?

I'm ordering from CCON particularly

>Tzeentch Chariot
>$40

>Herald on Disc
>$40

Finecast was a mistake

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Does anyone have the full version of this with both halves in the image and the text boxes uncensored?

What's a good way to run the "start collecting Skitarii" box at 500pts?

>>50044996
CCON only gives EXACTLY what is on the box cover. Z is better known for giving the entire box contents.

>>50039944
THE BANEBLADE

>>50045853
I HAVE FACED MORE FEARSOME TAAAAAANKS

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1500 IG Army. Thoughts?
Company Command Squad-80
vox caster, medi pack

Chimera-100
Camo netting, Extra armor, fire barrels

Platoon Command Squad-50
Vox Caster, medi pack

Chimera-100
Camo netting, Extra armor, Fire barrels

Infantry Squad-55
vox caster

Infantry Squad-75
Commissar

Infantry Squad-50

Special Weapons Team-61
Commissar, Snipersx3

Heavy Weapons Team-120
Rocket Launchers w/Flakkx3

Veteran Squad-140
Heavy flamer, vox caster, power weapon, demolitions, meltax2

Valkyrie-145
Lascannon, multiple rocket pods

Leman Russ-190
Vanquisher, Multi Meltas, Lascannon, Camo Netting, Extra Armor

Leman Russ-195
Demolisher, Camo Netting, Extra Armor

Basilisk-140
Enclosed Crew Compartment

1501 points
I'm gonna blob all the infantry together.

If I want to fill out a demi company formation what would you suggest?

I've got a captain, two tactical squads (one plasma, one grav) and I was planning on a quad lascannon devastator squad.

>>50046633

Rule #1 of the Guard: One of anything is never worth taking, it's just a fire magnet.
Rule #2: Look at each unit and ask yourself "What will this squad do better than the alternatives?", if you can't answer that question then rework the squad.

Don't spend points on trying to gear Vets for CC because they'll never be not-terrible, any points spent on CC gearing are points wasted. Vets shoot and (in Chimeras) maneuver.

>>50045134
Yeah, in my copy of the Codex.

>>50046633
Once again.

You don't need camo netting, extra armour of fire barrels on Chimeras. They're cheap battle taxi's to get you from A-B. Keep them cheap.

Why is your PCS in a Chimera? If your troops are foot slogging have your PCS foot slog too.

Why do you have a Commissar in a Special Weapons squad? What's his purpose? Really. Why is he there? Why do they have sniper rifles? BS3 and sniper rifles is a terrible choice.

Why are you mixing special weapons in your veteran squad? Why are you giving the sergeant a power weapon? Why are you running melta vets without a Chimera?

You don't need camo netting or extra armour on a Leman Russ. Camo netting can be useful but extra armour is not worth it at all. A dozer blade is much better. Why does the vanquisher have melta sponsons? Why is it ever getting close enough to use them? Why aren't you running a tank commander in it?

Why does the Basilisk need an enclosed crew compartment?

Talk to me. Explain this shit.

>>50046835
Care to post it? I'd be exceedingly grateful.

>>50046884
On my phone at a Halloween event thing right now, otherwise I would. Sorry anon.

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Ever see one in a game?

Would letting Strength go above 10 be a bad thing for the game?

It doesn't seem like it'd be all that game breaking.

>>50047145
Thankfully no.

They don't make for fun games by any stretch of the imagination, anon. They're showcase models.

>>50047164
Killiness needs toning DOWN anon, not up. Everything that's not a fucking Riptide or Wraithknight or Screamerstar or Storm Shield Bikestar already melts off the board too fast to be relevant.

>>50047145
Seen like four. On annual Apoc game. Also some biotitans.

>>50047169
They'd fit in a big game where you could have a pair of them duke it out.
Or, more precisely, delete the rest of the army while ignoring the other titan

Anyone else think that 1850 is too small a game size for most Decurions to be effective?

>>50047145
>>50047169
I've never used my Imperial Titan in a game, but I have faced a Revenant before.

It shot its pulsars at a single Knight to no effect(!) and then got charged by it and proceeded to die like a bitch.

The player conceded after that. I don't blame him. It was the shittiest rolling I've ever seen. It was a gimmick game though so nobody really cared.

>>50047145
Gorgeous.

Jesus Christ.

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>>50047187

>Also some biotitans.

They finally improved those?

>>50047185

I agree. The only reason that shit is being used is because it can live through all the bullshit high powered weapons. We're in an age where a T4 2+/5++ isn't considered durable. That's the problem.

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>>50047214

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https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Battle-Sisters

>"This pack contains three Battle Sisters - finely detailed metal miniatures that come in six components, and are supplied with three 25mm round bases."

>six components

Two components per model, or six components per model? I'm a high school dropout. Help me read.

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>>50047214
>565 points
>535 points

>>50047243
>three Sisters
>three backpacks

>>50047243
Six components total, two per model. Backpack is separate.

>>50047243
Don't buy those pieces of garbage, new plastics are coming out in 4 months.

>>50047279
>pewter_sisters.txt

>>50047279
[citation needed]: The Post
>inb4 "hurr multiple reliable sources have confirmed
I want to see FACTS backed up by HARD EVIDENCE here.

>>50047259
That's awesome. I don't feel like pinning metal bolters.

Speaking of pinning, anyone got a good drill setup worked out?

I'll pin a bunch of metal shit by hand if I have to, but I'd rather not twist my life away and deal with blood covered blisters.

>>50047251
It's sad because if they just halved the points costs they'd be pretty decent.

All 6 Wound Tyranid MCs in current codex should be GCs.

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>>50047279

When running the Corpse Thief Claw would you run the Talos barebones or are there any upgrades worth considering?

>>50047279
Metal > plastic

Straight up.

Pinned metal is the way to go.

>>50047295
If you're still stupid enough to think they aren't doing plastic sisters then nothing I show you is going to convince you.

The same people that have been right about every major fucking rumour for years are agreeing, GW mentioned it themselves in a fucking teaser video, and one of their vehicle modellers is working on "an army he's never worked on before" which is either Orks or Sisters. And not one rumourmonger has said shit about Orks.

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>>50047279
This range is some of the nicest stuff they have ever made.
If sisters of silence are any indication, the new sisters won't look nicer.

>>50047336
Give me the GW quote, or link the video with a time to skip to.

>>50047326
As far as a raw material goes, yeah, metal models are better than plastic. In theory.

But all the metal sculpts are old as balls and inferior to the stuff they're doing now, and they're monopose as fuck and extremely difficult to kitbash and convert.

>>50047336
>nothing I show you is going to convince you.
So you're just going to pussy out without posting these """""facts""""" at all? Well played.

>GW mentioned it themselves in a fucking teaser video
Have GW confirmed that this was not a joke?

>one of their vehicle modellers is working on "an army he's never worked on before" which is either Orks or Sisters
Source? Come the fuck on man. Post your proofs.

>>50047357
Have you been living under a rock, dude? The Magnus spoiler video on Warhammer TV. Everyone's been talking about it for weeks.

>>50047336

>GW mentioned it themselves in a fucking teaser video, and one of their vehicle modellers is working on "an army he's never worked on before" which is either Orks or Sisters. And not one rumourmonger has said shit about Orks.

How do we know it's not a 30k vehicle?

>>50047340
Sisters of Silence?

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>>50047373
How is this 40k? You chucklefucks shat up the last thread beyond saving, don't you fucking dare start here.

>>50046633
CCS + Barebones Chimera.

PCS on foot. 3 Infantry Squads. Commissar and Vox in one of them. Blob together. Use FRFSRF and hold the line. If its a gunline consider getting some autocannons.

Heavy weapons teams regular missile launchers, Flakk isn't worth it. You could add your second Commissar to heavy weapons team to stop them running. If you need AA get more autocannons or a Hydra.

Special weapons team with sniper rifles sitting back field shooting. Special weapons team with 3x demo charges.

Veteran Squad + Barebones Chimera + 2x Melta. Do drivebys. Watch enemy armour die. Laugh.

Valkyrie becomes a Vendetta. Put special weapons demos in it and blow fuckers up while killing vehicles with Vendetta.

Vanquisher Tank Commander (Pask if you like). Lascannon and no sponsons. Give a standard Russ to accompany him. No sponsons. No Lascannon. Barebones russ.

Demolisher bare bones. Don't upgrade.

Basilisk remove enclosed crew compartment.

Should bring you to about 1460pts and makes your army far more deadly. I would try and find the points for a Primaris Psker to try and get Divination for twin linking your infantry blob.

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>>50047374
>The Magnus spoiler video on Warhammer TV

When you say "Warhammer TV", you're talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/user/GamesWorkshopWNT

right?

are grav cents ok just footslogging? or should they have lascannons if theyre hoffing it?

>>50047325
Chain flails are great and cheap but more for gravy and if you expect to see a buncha t8s. Haywire is good if your meta sees a lot of vehicles. Otherwise just stick to the stock guns.

>>50047381
Because FW is a completely separate design studio with different people?

>>50047362
I don't convert shit, just like I don't play vidya modded.

Only if absolutely necessary.

That's why I hate it when GW gives you stats but no model. Pretty sure they did that with a Chaos Daemons model or two.

Metal feels great. Plays great. If it's pinned, it doesn't break. I love watching people glue their plastic models back together mid-tournament 'cause they're too lazy to pin.

>>50047437

Didn't they release a 30k starter set a while back.

Also, it could be a vehicle for the Sisters of Silence or that Grav tank the Custodes have.

>>50047397
Yeah, except they also have a Facebook page where they post videos that aren't on the Youtube channel (for some reason).

>>50047441
>I don't convert shit
Missing out
>I don't play vidya modded
Console pleb and/or missing the opportunity of a lifetime

Seriously. Live a little.

>>50047398
For the sake of optimisation, no. Grav cents should be in pods for maximum effectiveness. That said footslogging grav cents aren't all that bad but you will need to have units to screen for them so that they don't get shot to pieces/tarpitted to hell before they get into shooting range

The fuck are Sisters of Silence?

These bitches?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/10/breaking-40k-sisters-custodes-formations.html

I can't find the models available for purchase.

>>50047476
Burning of prospero.

>>50047362
Monopose? Plastic scions would like a word with you.

>>50047476
They're from the Burning of Prospero starter set that released a few days ago.

Can't buy them individually right now but if Betrayal at Calth is any indication they'll get separate boxes soon.

>>50047453
GW doesn't release anything that's 30k only. They release standalone board games that include plastics which can be used in 30k, and then immediately release supplements which make all that same stuff usable in 40k too.

>>50047491
>talking about how metal is monopose
>plastic scions would like a word
Nigger, reading comprehension.

Dumb question - if a formation includes a unit that buy a dedicated transport I can buy the dedicated transport as a part of the formation right?

>>50047465
I got a gaming rig, and I'll have a PS4 Pro soon. I'm not one or the other. I bounce back and forth.

I'm just a retard purist.

>>50047529
Not him but I think his point was that plastic Scions have shitty posing options. As in are hilariously monoposed.

>>50047532
Yes. This is where the BS5 Wave Serpent comes from.

>>50047470
why cant cents take pods as dedicated transports again GW?
Hmmmm?

>>50047490
>>50047493
Are these part of the Sisters of Battle army? Or are they for a different army?

>>50047529
Read it again retard... scions are terrible monopose models. It's an arguement for how metal still holds up well against newer stuff.

>>50047295
>>50047318
>>50047366
>still buying the "sisters are never getting updated" meme
>when genestealer cults got a complete codex update after 20 years
Lads.

>>50047554

They're a stand alone faction unit.

>>50047562
>still spouting the "Sisters are getting updated for r-real tis time! H-honest!!" meme
>still hasn't posted any proofs

>>50047544
>>50047555
Oh my bad, I don't play scions.

They aren't really a legit argument though, that whole release was a weird aberration that was GW just starting to experiment with minidexes.

>>50047548
I reckon it is some attempt at balance, mayhaps. Who knows? Fluff wise I suppose you could say that pods were never made with centurions in mind. I dunno man.

>>50047580
A true Sisters player doesn't need this "proofs", they have indomitable and unwavering Faith.

>>50047582
But is wasn't. Scions released alongside Codex: Astra Militarum, also called Imperial Guard 6th for those of us who aren't turbospergs. They replaced Storm Troopers as the Elites option in that codex.

They didn't get their spinoff until much later towards the beginning of 7th after their entire range had been on the market for a fair amount of time.

>>50047606
Are you sure? I was almost positive they released Codex: Tempestus Scions just BEFORE the full Astra Militarum Codex they got rolled into.

>>50047601
>being this hopelessly deluded and relying on blind faith despite its track record
Well at least you picked the right army to play

>>50047564
Still don't get it. You're gonna need to be patient with me. I'm still very new to 40K.

>>50047640
Basically, they were released as part of a standalone board game that uses some models which are basically "pre-release" versions of stuff that's coming later and doesn't have a written rulebook yet, but they have placeholder rules you can download from the website.

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I want to fuck her sweaty, muscular body. Think she shaves? Do Sisters shave? I don't even care. I'd fuck the living shit out of her.

>>50047582
That has nothing to do with the current state of the models. They had a brief era of very customizable plastics and now they are going back to more monopose stuff.

>>50047619
Militarum Tempestus came out like a week after Astra Militarum actually. So anon is right but not to the degree he is asserting.

>>50047666
Will they eventually be part of the Sisters of Battle? Doesn't this confirm that we're getting a Sisters update?

>>50047640

No worries, they're basically not part of an army. They generically part of the Imperium and thus can be used by any Imperial army via their formation.

>>50047677

I *knew* the whole "Joan Crawford is dead" thing was a lie...

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>>50047677
>the gun is almost half as tall as she is

>>50047619
The AM book is about a year older.

>>50047692

They aren't part of the Sisters of Battle army. They're an elite military unit that's controlled by the High lords of Terra so no they don't confirm SoB. They're not part of that army.

>>50041965
The Emp's blade.
No.
Two Emp's blades

>>50047718
Some of the rogue trader era stuff is a bit silly, but come the mid to late 90s there was some really solid looking metal stuff.

>>50047722
>High lords of Terra

Astra Telepathica, they are the armed forces of the psyker administration and go around policing rogue psykers and manning the black ships to bring psykers to be linked or fed to the Emperor.

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How are Stormravens? I was thinking about using this because it's cool and fits the fluff of my chapter but I'm iffy on the model and its rules. Is it worth its use as an assault transport or a gunboat?
Usually I don't care about viability but I'm not too big on the model so I want to know how it plays first.

>>50047692
Maybe, or they might be part of some other supplement or Inquisition/Forces of Terra release or something of that nature. Lorewise they are a very different thing from Sisters of Battle, but still the fact that they were released does hint that plastic SoB are possibly around the corner, just from a design standpoint.

>>50047685
>Genestealer Cults
>Deathwatch
>Monopose
Bruh have you fucking SEEN the options in the Acolyte and Neophyte kits? The Deathwatch Kill Team box?

Models that are recuts from the Overkill board game don't count, of course those are going to be monopose.

>>50047718

...Two of those are Epic-scale, aren't they?

>>50047718
I would pay $100 for one of those ancient, sealed Kairos Fateweaver blisters. Must be from the '80s or some shit.

>>50047677
They use lasers such that no hair may grow there again

>>50047741

To be clear though, you probably need a couple of Alpha-level rogues to get SoSes called on your ass. They're rarer than GK.

>What is story-gameplay separation?

>>50047743
>people shittalk the SR as some obscure unit that never gets used because it's not that viable
>it actually deserves this reputation
Remember when it was cheesier than sliced cheese and vanilla players would not fucking shut up about how they DIDN'T get it? 10/10 meta.

>>50047780
What's so special about the Sisters of Silence? Story time?

>>50047251

Well, they're swinging at STR 10, and one has 7 attacks while another has 6 Strength 10, AP3 shots and another a STR 6, AP3 helstorm.

They wouldn't be bad were it not for the fact that things like Imperial Knights, Wraith Knights and Stormsurges outclass them.

>>50047763
S-source?

>>50047789
Yep. I sure do.

What the fuck happened. Where did everything go so wrong?

>>50047816
Meanwhile models that cost over 100 points less are swinging at higher initiative with S: D, have better shooting and invulnerable saves.

>>50047780
I don't think they're actually as rare as that
GKs need to be psykers AND strong enough to survive Space Marine trials and Space Marine gene therapy
SoS just need to be blanks and be able to hold a gun. Not all of them need I5/WS5, it's just those were the ones sent to Prospero. Tons of SoS probably sit on the Black Ships and never fight, since their preferred enemies crumple when they get close

Also blanks can't be that rare, Eisenhorn AND Cain have pet blanks

>>50039906
:startmusic:

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>>50047760
this one?

There's one of each body type on ebay for under forty bucks right now. Neither have the double-head, but there were like ten head variants so good luck finding that.

>>50047826
Even more bullshit units like Riptide, IKs and Wraithknights took the stage, while in-codex they were outdone by the advent of grav and in particular grav-cents.

That and most armies have an actually good source of anti-air now, but mostly just power creep. It's depressing really.

>>50047843

Keep in mind the things predate Knights and a lot of the things in the current edition.

They're still from the days where Warhounds, Stompas and Revenant Titans were apoc level competition and Knights were still just (possibly) outdated lore.

>>50047863
Are they game legal? No way, right?

I'd love to show up at my hobby store out of the blue with a fully painted vintage metal army.

Pimp. As. Fuck.

>>50047863
I was talking about the one in that picture, though.

This one: >>50047718

Third down. On the left. I'm assuming that's an old Kairos model. I'd love to own one. I love Chaos Daemons.

Gotta be fresh, though. No used shit. Sealed.

>>50047895
Why wouldn't they be game legal? It's a GW model.

>>50047864
Even moreso, the model was always stupid
>>50047846
Can I just say
>I5
>faster than a Space Marine and WITHOUT the total mind control and training of an assassin
Remember when I made sense?

>>50047914
Kairos has a bigger base now. Pretty sure.

>>50047916
Fuck fuck fuck
Remember when INITIATIVE made sense?

>>50047916
>The model is fucking retarded and always has been, but so is the Dreadknight and to a lesser extend Centurions. They still see plenty of use the former is all GK players ever use, if anyone still played GK that is

>>50047922
Then put it on the appropriate base (50mm square or 60mm round).

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>>50047913
>Third down. On the left
he's the epic lord of change. Tiny and cute (this is a 25mm base). You can grab him for cheap.

>>50047895
Totally are, mate. It's fucking cool to do, but pricey.

>>50047934
I don't remember putting an epic meme arrow in there. Oh well.

>>50047926
>I4 is the standard
>anything with supernatural reflexes must be I5
>anything higher than that is buffed by a psychic power, Dark Eldar, or a character
Initiative has always been pretty stupid.

>>50047926
it only ever made sense in 2nd edition, when it was used for breaking ties in close combat.

>>50047952
I'm getting a real sick thrill out of all these vintage models. I think that's why Sisters appeal to me so much. Old, metal, awesome.

The problem's gonna be finding sealed shit. I have this autistic obsession with buying old shit that hasn't been opened.

do most people like the actual game??

if not what are some simple things most people want changed?

>>50048018
>The problem's gonna be finding sealed shit.
don't. Depending on how old you go, lead rot could be a problem.

Paying a premium for sealed stuff is a novelty, but an entire done up that way's just not viable. Price and the fact that sealed models don't show up in large enough numbers will keep you from doing so.

>>50047886
I haven't played since 5th edition and I remember Tyranid bio-titan were being outclassed as far back as then. They changed the rules for vehicles and suddenly Baneblades were some of the baddest motherfuckers out there for how cheap they were.

Tyranids, on the other hand, went from being one of the most mobile armies to the least mobile. I watched as 6th edition failed to find a place for them, then dropped out of the game because I lost hope. Are the bugs still the unverse's punching bag all these years later?

>>50048043
Rework to hit in melee, make leadership matter, and lessen power disparity between codices.

>>50048074
Leave now whilst you still have hope.

>>50048043
Nobody in /40kg/ actually plays the game. We just bitch about meta shit like Eldar netlists.

>>50048094
>tfw I play 3 armies

>>50048074

>Baneblades were some of the baddest motherfuckers out there for how cheap they were.

Are those even any good these days?

Everytime I see one, it's always getting wrecked by a Super-Heavy Walker or Gargantuan Creature.

Also on the table, I'm not sure a Baneblade could do enough to a Bio-Titan before said Bio-Titan reaches and destroys it.

I'm not even sure the Shadow Sword could do any better.

best way to run storm wing and suppression force formations?

>>50048064
Lead rot?

What about sealed Sisters shit that's OOP?

I'm getting a real boner from these vintage models, man. I'm telling you. It's waking something up inside me.

Old models are interesting as fuck.

>>50048143
The Baneblade is mediocre, and the Shadowsword is pretty bad, since as D was nerfed it's woefully point-inefficient.

The Hellhammer, Stormsword and Stormlord are legit though.

>>50047145
Only a Warhound.

It was a 1500 pt game, it was unfun as hell.

>>50048173
>What about sealed Sisters shit that's OOP?
those are fine, they're not especially vintage

Rogue Trader is where GW made the switch from lead to... tin? pewter? some white-metal alloy which doesn't rot.

Which Craftworld should I play, Saim-Hann or Ulthwé?

Saim-Hann pros:
>Excuse to be scatbike faggot
>gotta go fast
>best colors
>savage Eldar on jetbikes
>?????
>profit
Saim-Hann cons
>nobody likes scatbike faggot
>expensive as fuck to collect

Ulthwé pros
>Imperial Guard: Elf Edition
>psychic phase lulz
>not going to be cheesy unless running a seerstar
>also good colors
>Eldrad is awesome
cons
>Eldrad is a retard
>A bunch of T3 5+ elves asking to get shot in the face and die to literally anything
>have to paint 10000000000 guardians

Am I missing anything?

>>50048143
As I recall, in 5th they got a whole lot stronger because they had access to D strength plates - I think the 7" ones or whatever. It's been so long since I've played. The trick was that a Tyranid gargantuan creature cost a lot more, so if the apocalypse game wasn't too huge, you'd have yourself a heirodule getting focused down by the standard infantry. AP3 still gets trashed by your basic krak missiles.

The only way you were in luck as a Tyranid player was if you could afford a heirodule.

Baneblades, meanwhile, just blew everything to pieces and practically couldn't miss with how big the plates were. Tanks, infantry - anything but a super heavy was as good as dead, and the Baneblade itself was way more durable than it was supposed to be because 5th edition drastically reduced the odds of tanks taking serious damage in combat.

I wouldn't know about Baneblades in the current edition.

>>50048091
It's too late. I already don't have any hope. I'll know what Cruddace had against the Tyranids. I figured he played against Nidzilla in 4th one too many times, and then never tried playing the army for himself after he wrote the codex. He kinda nerfed lictors, of all things. He took their ability to ambush away, which was near gimmicky and useless as it was, but damnit it was all they had!

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>tfw i just finished alien isolation
>find out Dan Abnett was a lead writer

Is there anything he can't do?

>>50048239
write a good movie plot

>>50048213
Lead rot, though? You're gonna make me use Google, aren't you?

For fuck's sake, man.

For lack of a better word, it's way more comfy learning about shit from other 4chan users.

>>50047966
Eh? I3 is standard since that's where all "normal" humans (Guard, Sisters, Cultists) are
Slow is I2 (Orkz and for some reason Necrons)
I1 is either "weighed down with the sheer heft of your weapon" (THs, power fist/klaw), or "forced down into slowness by the forces of battle" (concussion and charging through terrain)
I4 is super human (SMs and MoS)
I5 used to be beyond super human
I6 and above was a dick measuring contest for Greater Daemons and assassins

>>50048227
Playing Saim-Hann isn't an excuse to go full scatterbike you hysterical faglord. There's nothing stopping you from running normal bikes or 1-per-3.

Saim-Hann also like the Vyper, as well as grav-tanks. Hope you have several of those too, faggot.


Ulthwe is the patrician's choice

>>50048188

What about the Stormblade?

I read it has the Plasma Blast Gun.

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>>50048279
>Ulthwe
no

>>50048274

Necrons as their slow and plodding I believe.

>>50048265
>Lead rot, though?
The lead in the miniature starts to oxidize, and eventually the model turns to dust. Washing, Priming and Sealing models (completely) was significantly more important because of it.

ex;
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=26634.0

Companies have largely moved away from lead since the 80's, so the only people who have to worry about it now are collectors.

>>50048237
Or excuse me, you wanted a heirophant because it was tough enough to do real damage. A heirodule was too expensive, but having a heirodule gave you functional, reasonably priced, S10 anti-tank weapons, which was something the entire 5th edition codex didn't offer Tyranids.

I mean you could get it on a 270 point tyrannofex, but all it had was basically one lascanon.

What really burned me up was going from 4th edition apocalypse Trygon's to Cruddace's "my Guard flashlights can penetrate your skin now" stat block. It was a pretty solid nerfing down.

Found a Militarum Tempestus hardback for 32+ship, fair price?

>>50048343
no, sell it to me

>>50048274
>I6 and above was a dick measuring contest for Greater Daemons and assassins
Still is
What, outside of Daemons codex has I>7? There's 3 numbers there that only ever matter in Greater Daemon vs Greater Daemon matches

>>50048321
>http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=26634.0

Forum shitposting is so much worse than imageboard shitposting.

Saddest shit about the miniature, though. Sad as fuck. Are all the ancient miniatures lost to time? Can we salvage 'em? Fuck.

Just like video games, we need a fucking museum.

>>50048298
It does, and it's alright since its firing modes lend it versatility, and it's also a good deal cheaper than the Baneblade, but what it cannot do is ignore cover, which is what the Hellhammer and Stormsword both can do, nor ferry troops like the Stormlord, or unleash MAXIMUM DAKKA and pile on the saves, also like the Stormlord.

>>50048279
>Saim-Hann also like the Vyper, as well as grav-tanks. Hope you have several of those too, faggot.

That's why they'd be expensive to collect, you double nigger. I was actually thinking of running something like this for Saim-Hann. I just came up with it off the top of my head so if the points are wrong for something then my bad. The point was to buy 2 Get Started boxes since fuck paying full price for 18+ Jetbikes.

1000 points nerdrage CAD

HQ
Jetseer with shining stabbing stick (120)

Troops
>Windriders (3) - 3x Scatter Laser (81) + Warlock on Jetbike (50)
>Windriders (3) - 1x Shuriken Cannon (61)
>Windriders (3) - 1x Shuriken Cannon (61)
>Windriders (3) - 1x Scatter Laser (61)
>Windriders (3) - 1x Scatter Laser (61)
>Windriders (3) - (51)

GO FAST LOL
>Vyper - 2x Shuriken Cannon (50)
>Vyper - 2x Shuriken Cannon (50)
>Vyper - 2x Shuriken Cannon (50)

BLOW SHIT UP
>Flaming Crystal Tank Thing - holofield, spirit stones (150)
>Flaming Crystal Tank Thing - same as the one above (150)

wat do

If I run Ulthwé it will be
>Jetseer
>Guardian Defenders with Warlock
>Guardians: Shitty Stabbing Edition with flamers and Warlock
>Windriders x6
>Fire Prism
>2x Vyper
>3x War Walker

So here's the start to my Dark Eldar/Eldar list, still have about 40 points to play with (1850 point total)

Dark Eldar CAD

-Haemonculus - Webway Portal

-5x Kabalite Warriors - Venom w/2 Splinter Cannons
-5x Kabalite Warriors - Venom w/2 Splinter Cannons
-5x Kabalite Warriors - Venom w/2 Splinter Cannons
-5x Kabalite Warriors - Venom w/2 Splinter Cannons

-Razorwing - Dark Lances, Splinter Cannon
-Razorwing - Dark Lances, Splinter Cannon

Eldar Ally Detachment

-Autarch Skyrunner - Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, Shard of Anaris

-3x Jet Bikes

-9x Fire Dragons

Corpse Thief Claw

-5x Talos

The general theory of the list the Haemonculus hangs out with the Dragons along with the Autarch - they deep strike in and work as a pretty strong alpha strike element.

Obviously the Warriors just ride Venoms and fly around blasting stuff, they're fairly effective anti MC as well as anti horde choices.

The two Razorwings are just effective overall, they've got their bombs which are solid, good AT/AA with a secondary role as anti-infantry.

Finally the CTC just starts chugging across the table and forces the issue.

I know it isn't a top tier army but I feel like it can be a solid enough list, especially at local events. Thoughts?

>>50048366
>. Are all the ancient miniatures lost to time? Can we salvage 'em? Fuck.
provided they were painted/varnished? most will be fine

Once the rot starts, you can't stop it, though.

>>50048385

I thought Jetbikes can't join non-Jetbikes. Or can they?

>>50048328

Was odd seeing the Trygon weakened to the point where a single Deff Dread or Dreadnought could smack it down with no problem, mostly being due to the fact that the Trygon struggles to even inflict a glance, let alone a pen.

>>50048392

No reason they can't. Can't turbo-boost or anything while in the unit but they can hang out. The idea is that he can late turn turbo out to contest objectives/he has a fusion gun if he needs to ride out and melt someone.

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Space Marine CAD, Iron Hands chapter tactics

Captain - 140
+artificer armor, power axe, power sword

Tactical squad - 170
+ 10 models, grav gun, power sword

tactical squad - 180
+ 10 models, combi-plasma, plasma gun, plasma cannon

Scout squad - 60
sniper rifles

Venerable dreadnought - 140
+plasma cannon, heavy flamer

Ironclad dreadnought - 145
+heavy flamer

Sternguard squad - 165
Plasma gun, 4 combi-plasmas

Dreadnought - 120
+two TL autocannons

Predator Executioner - 110

Librarian Conclave - 270
3 ML 2 librarians

Total: 1500 points

Got trounced the other day while using this list, mostly because of some rules mistakes on both our parts and some poor deployment choices, but what do you think of the list?

>>50048390
Does it hurt you when you think about that?

Literally hurts me when cool shit is lost forever.

I get sad as fuck thinking about those old cell phone games that are lost, too. Eats me up inside.

I'm not a cinema fan, but there's early movies that are lost forever as well. TV shows, too.

Hopefully GW has a fuckton of old models done up and shelved.

So I just did the math and to finish my 1500 guard army will cost me 560 Canadian dollars.
Is there any way to make this cheaper?

>>50048413

Well, the Talos are basically a guarantee that your DS will arrive before you get wiped. That's nice.

The problem I see with the list is that half of it is really really fast and the other half is a giant single-unit blob that can barely make it across the table before the end of the game. Which could be alright, but if your Venom Warriors get wiped you're probably close to fucked. Also the Fire Dragons will die after the turn they arrive so you better fucking hope they kill whatever it is you wanted them to kill.

One other option is you could remove some Fire Dragons and just stick the Autarch with some Reavers, giving him a bubble wrap and spreading your stuff more so you don't have basically 5 targets only for your enemy to shoot at (of which 4 are instantly going to die since they're DE lel).

TL;DR needs moar guys but maybe I'm wrong, if everything goes off exactly as planned you should be able to cripple everything that can fight back before they even get to shoot at your vulnerable stuff

>>50048439

I'm also considering swapping the Dragons for Wraith Guard with D-Scythes too. It would make my DS bomb way more durable.

is there a list of old gw minis where I can see old ones to search for on ebay to purchase?

>>50048438
Warhammer is expensive as fuck. Have you factored in the tools you'll need? Paints?

Personally, I'd rather save up and buy sealed.

Some people buy shit used, though. You might be able to find an unpainted army for sale, but most people are shit at the building part of the hobby. Keep that in mind.

>>50048239
Alien Isolation was pretty darn fun game. Go play it if you love survival horror.

I'm: >>50048468

Sorry if I wasn't much help.

Someone help this guy.

>>50048381
Go fast

>>50048468
I'm started my second dedicated army. I got all my infantry and just need vehicles.
Specifically leman russ exterminators, basiliks, armoured sentinels and chimeras.
I'm fine with buying leman russes and sentinels for retail as I need a specific load out but would love to save on basiliks and chimera as they're so generic

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>>50048475
The Evil Within is way, way, way better.

/v/ time? Or we gonna get told to shut the fuck up again? lol.

>>50048490
Someone post that miniatures trading website. I can't remember what it's called.

Also, check eBay.

>>50048460

Yeah that's also a good idea. The only problem to keep in mind there is that IIRC Wraithguard don't have Fleet. Or maybe they do. Either way they're slow as fuck considering they're going to be on foot after they drop.

Between Wraithguard and the 5 Talos you'd actually have a pretty tough list, though.

>>50048493
It might be, havent even heard it. + if "better" means "scarier" then theres no fucking way Im touching that game dude, I was already scared so shitless that I made Sovietwomble look like a fucking hero.

>>50048516

Ultimately I don't mind them being a slow element once they get put in position with a no scatter deep strike.

With the 4 venoms and Bike squad I have 5 fast ObSec units - additionally with the swap to Wraiths I actually save points (because I no longer need to buy shard of anaris) so I can snag a 2nd bike squad.

>>50048274
And then I7 was Genestealers.

And people now are bitching because they're actually merely viable in shooty edition. Fucking pansy gunline cockgobblers deserve every auto-loss to a turn 1 6 on Cult Ambush they get, it's absolute nirvana drinking their tears of anal devastation. Spoiled newfags have never had to play an edition that requires tactical thinking and feel entitled to win because they brought an OP netlist they don't know how to pilot against melee.

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>>50048525
Alien: Isolation is the feeling you get when you're running from something and don't know if you're gonna get grabbed.

The Evil Within is that oppressive feeling you get when you play Silent Hill. It's scary. It's not bad if you're a jaded, but I screamed like a little bitch.

What's nice is that it gets less and less oppressive as the game goes on. By the end, it's straight up action..

You grow with the protagonist. As he gets hardened, so do you. With Alien: Isolation, you always feel like the victim. Once you get your shit together, they throw multiple at you. It's brutal.

>>50048571

In my experience Venom Warrior squads don't work that well for sitting on objectives, even though they're Obsec. Your two options are basically 1) dump the Warriors in cover and hope they don't die or 2) fly in on turn 5 and hope they don't die

>>50048580

>tfw no flamers

>>50048589

Of course they don't sit, they fly around all game and dump in at the last turn.

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>>50047145
I love titans, shame I never see them around

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>>50048359

Dark Eldar Succubus is I8 and Lelith is I9

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Please tell me she's good on the tabletop.

Don't fuck me on this one.

>>50048608
Goddamn I want to fuck you.

>>50048616
She's still T3 with no EW

>>50048607

Yeah except this happens
>Hide, don't get to shoot anything
or
>Don't hide, shoot once and die to fucking Bolters

tbqh I'm just mad because all of my Venoms died to the most ridiculous fucking shit in the last game I played

>>50048614
Avatar of Khaine is 10

>>50048608
>>50048618
I'd like the sauce on that, if anyone got it?

>>50048632
Can you explain this in noob? I don't know shit about the rules.

>>50048642

Sure it happens but for the most part you should be out ranging goobery shit like that. You've got a 36" range which means you should always be able to shoot marines without being shot by anything other than their heavy weapon in return.

>>50047214
What the fuck, I just did the math and these guys die to half their points worth in fucking Skitarii.

I get that the guns are made to deal damage to high toughness targets, but how can MCs do fairly against these guys? The other end of the scale is a Wraithknight, which still dies to 300 pts. worth of Skitarii, but that's roughly the same cost AND Jet Pack creature means he's zoom zooming out of range.

But with 12" deployment, scout, and 18" range, with the possibility of even further repositioning- warlords traits and the like- MCs can get deleted before they can do anything. I know ones that should be Walkers like the Tau stuff and Eldar deserve all the punishment they get, but Rending and all its variants kinda dick over MCs that don't need any more pain, like Deldar or Nids. Is their a way to balance it, or should cancer guns stay where they are?

>>50048661
She dies from S6 because double Toughness grants Instant Death. Eternal Warrior negates instant death, taking only 1 wound off instead.

>>50048661
Toughness 3 (meaning she is Instant Killed by anything with double that in Strength, so S6 or higher) with no Eternal Warrior (immunity to instant death), so basically anything with decent strength will just fucking body her.

>>50048661
She's supposed to be tough but has the resiliency of a Guardsman, albeit with a 2+ armor save ( the best in the game).

She lacks the Eternal Warrior rule so weapons of S6 or higher (the multi/scatter laser or the humble plasma gun) will kill her instantly without giving two shits about how many woudns she has. Yes, she can come back from the dead, but only once a game.


This said, she's beastly in melee as long as she doesn't go up against other 2+ saves. If hidden in a unit of Seraphim/allied Vanguard Veterans she can be good.

>>50048688
So she sucks?

>>50048691
Get her in melee and she can do alright from what Ive seen. I dont play Sisters.

>>50048687
The problem has nothing to do with rad weapons, and everything to do with nid monsters being way overcosted and way underpowered with no access to proper biomorphs anymore.

>>50048689
>>50048690
Thanks.

I'm sad now.

How's the Penitence Engine?

What's this Sisters "monobuild" I keep hearing about? Can someone post the list?

>>50047145
Warlord? No. Reavers? Once. Warhounds? Quite often.

Imperial Knights? Yes. Because I'm that faggot that owns 8 knights god help me I have a problem.

>>50048687

>but how can MCs do fairly against these guys?

Mawloc them?

>>50048707
I'm not a fan of the PE. It's just too fragile to live long enough to get to the range where it starts tearing shit up. If it does, it will rape most things, but I've played games where I've blown up two with a single autocannon before. At the same time.

>the monobuild
Probably Sisters in Immolators, three Exorcists and Outflanking melta Dominions. Jacobus as the HQ.

>>50048616
>>50048691

>>50048618 is correct. A single 1 against Scatter Lasers and she's dead. Surround her with Seraphim. When she reaches combat, she will mulch MEQ because 5 WS7 I7 S5 MC power weapon attacks with a 2+/4++ save. Keep her away from 2+ or 3++, though. She also comes back from the dead. Once.

All in all, she's a powerhouse for 135 points, but not the unstoppable goddess she was in older editions. She's usually the goto choice for HQ.

In laymans noobie terms, she's good, yes.

>>50048687
They're made of paper, though that won't make you any happier about getting shit off the board T1.

For those players who really want something to live there's always the (appropriately nid-converted VSG.)

>>50048644
Greater Daemon, technically
>>50048614
LOL dead codex

>>50048616
Can not die when killed, always a plus

>>50048701
I don't mean rad weapons specifically, but it really does look like Monster Mashes can't be good- though they still seem fun- as long as the other person can just drop down an army of Vanguard or other cheap, spammable auto-wound weapons and ruin their day.

True, making it 350 points or so would be a great bump, but it still doesn't fix a whole lot- the thing dies, and it dies before it does any damage, and now those 350 points were totally wasted. I don't really play with MCs, playing Skitarii mainly is what led me to wonder about this, but I don't like the fact an entire class of unit can be demolished by near-guardsmen cheap units turn 1. But hey, I guess I'll take the kills where I can take them

>>50048747
>the Avatar is a greater daemon
>DE is a dead codex

Do you know literally anything about Eldar?

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>>50048727
>Immolators

Saw this on eBay; Jesus Christ.

Give me.

I'm so mad I don't have cash right now. I'm getting twenty or thirty thousand soon. I'm buying everything.

>>50048771

>the $90 immolator on ebay

Don't. Fuck that moron. You can get an exorcist from GW for $58 that comes with the immolator sprue.

>>50048793
>Don't. Fuck that moron. You can get an exorcist from GW for $58 that comes with the immolator sprue.
This. It lacks the clear plastics (the cupola) but still, dont buy immolators from ebay.

>>50048727
Are Dominions OOP?

>>50048771
I miss these boxarts

>>50048810
They never had models. Just buy Sisters with meltas and paint them differently.

>>50048807
What if I literally don't care about money? Is the Immolator on eBay better?

What's a good space marine army if I'm into edgy shit? Blood Angels? I'm running out of Sisters models to admire.

Also, can I get the Sisters of Battle rules online? Should I just hit The Pirate Bay? Swear to God I'll pay for a real copy when I get the cash.

>>50048824
No. Buy an Exorcist and search the internet for some kind of bits site selling the clear plastic.

If you're the guy creaming himself over mint in package OOP shit, you should be wary of Ebay and other sellers who offer them. Most of the time you'll be getting completely shafted, and even if you think it's worth it you should look elsewhere for a better deal.

>>50048844
Flesh Tearers

>>50048845
So it's exactly like video games, then. Buy a sealed copy and find out it's been opened.

I fucking hate this world.

>>50048857
Yeah. I bought one like ~5 years ago and I'm pretty sure someone had stomped on the box. The sprues were fine but the box looked like shit.

Still... Buy Exorcists. You get inhuman amount of metal with that box, including front and side-plates for rhinos.

>>50047800
They were the Emperor's personal harem of bald-topknot no-talking psychic-blank bitches. They also basically haven't been seen since the Horus Heresy, but apparently they still exist.

>>50048936
<They also basically haven't been seen since the Horus Heresy, but apparently they still exist.

That's extremely badass. Eerie.

>>50048942
Wow. Fail.

lol

>>50048857
I meant in price. Those faglords mark up their prices even more than GW do, because they know most people look there and nowhere else. Thankfully they are wrong.

Speaking of GW, keep an eye on them. With Made to Order we have no idea what blasts from the past are on the cards in the days to come.

>>50048758
>Do you know literally anything about Eldar?
You clearly don't
Greatere Daemon of Khaine, they are LITERALLY shards of Khaine just as GUOs are pieces of Nurgle

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>>50048844

Sisters rules are in the mega.

>>50048857

Don't support idiots selling a tank that used to be $35 before GW ran out of clear plastic windows for $90.

Pic related is what comes with the exorcist box. The arrow is the immolator sprue.

>>50048936
I find it awesome that Pariahs make psykers pretty much piss themselves with blood and theres still pictures where emps is just hanging around next to Sisters of Silence without any hint of discomfort.

>>50048951
>Those faglords mark up their prices even more than GW do

Games Workshops price cuts incoming in the next year by the way.

Can someone explain the Finecast situation to me? Should I avoid those models entirely?

My first models were Finecast Flesh Hounds of Khorne, and they came out so shitty. It's so easy to ruin those fuckers.

>>50048987
Yes. Kitbash, convert or buy older metal models, but avoid Finecast like the plague. Or if you're Nurglite, like a bath.

>>50048961
When you can pull a heist on the gods of chaos you stop giving a fuck about psychic nulls

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>>50048960
Marked red are the stuff that make you google "HOW DO YOU PIN MODELS JESUS FUCK EXORCISTS SUCK PLUMP BALLS GODDAMNITDAFGSF-"

>>50048958
Except Avatars are little pieces of the god himself when he was smashed into a bajillion pieces whereas daemons are warp entities created by the Chaos Gods when they feel like it, giving form to a fraction of their own power.

I suppose you think Living Saints are daemons too, right?

>>50048951
Made to Order?

>>50048960
Thank you.

>>50049003
Thank God I know how to pin. I cut my teeth on some Hordes shit. Fuck that game's cartoony, though. Can't stand steampunk garbage.

Now I just need a drill that can pin. I don't want a manual drill; I want a weak electric drill. If anyone has a sick setup, let me know. I don't want more blood covered blisters.

>>50049010
>Made to Order?
It's a recasting service GW are offering from time to time. Long story short. they take orders for OOP models for a short time and cast them specifically rather than actually bringing said models back into their old range.

Last month we got non-Cadian Guard, Kasrkin, and Lord Solar fucking Macharius. Anything is possible.

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Melta = rocket launcher?

>>50049010
Made to Order was a re-release of a bunch of old back catalogue stuff. They did a test run a while back for like 5 days of old IG stuff. Kasrkin, Sly Marbo, various regiment special weapons, etc.

Looking likely that old CSM and SM stuff is next, but we don't know when or for how long they'll be available.

>>50049062
No.

>>50049046
That's thoughtful as fuck, actually. I didn't expect that kinda kindness from GW.

Next you're gonna tell me they charge three times as much, though.

>>50049076
Laser gun?

>>50049062
No, its microwave on steroids that heats up the air and target in seconds.

>>50049081
They actually were quite reasonable prices

>>50049062
>>50049090
It's a heat ray

>>50048718
>8 knights

Anon why

>>50049081
Nope, really well priced.

Are the Flesh Tearers cannibals?

>>50049117
Nah, but the Flesh Eaters are.

>>50049090
Meltas, even the "non-exotic" variants the Imperials use, work in 2 different ways. Either its microway kind of weapon that melts its targets its few heartbeats or some kind of shotgunnish blast of massive "FUCK YOU".

Either way, result is the same. Explosive, melted and messy.

>>50049103
Thanks.

This is fucking sick. It's like when video games were fresh to me, and I wasn't a jaded fuck.

I love getting into a new hobby.

>>50049144
Any other questions, Anon?

>>50049128
Are the Flesh Eaters still around? Can I build a cannibal army?

>>50049176
Yes, and they're loyalist. Almost got called heretics once, but not quite.

Go ahead. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Flesh_Eaters

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flesh_Eaters

>>50049153
I'm gonna keep coming here when I wanna research 40K. Like I said, I'm getting twenty or thirty thousand bucks.

Gonna buy all the Sisters shit and build like crazy.

Gotta fix up a space for me to put shit together. I want to keep the dust away from my PC, but I want to shitpost at the same time.

I'll have a ton of questions. Learning shit from 4chan is always better than going elsewhere, even if it gives you a skewed perspective that's hard to shake.

>>50049216
Sounds good. Enjoy the hobby dude.

>>50049106
I bought one when they came out. Then I also bought renegade box since its so dirt cheap. Then I ordered 2 warden conversion kits from chinaman. And after that my friend has bought 5 FW knight from chinaman, painted them, grew bored of them and I bought them from him.

So currently I have:
3 Questoris knights with all possible weapons.
Cerastus Lancer
Cerastus Acheron
Cerastus Castigator
Mechanicum Cerastus Atropos
and Knight Styrix (that I play as Magaera).

The best part? I think I've wasted only ~400-500e on all that.

>>50049008
>Except Avatars are little pieces of the god himself
Hey, guess what? According to the codex, so are GUOs

Stop being a faggot and learn to live with it, AoKs are as much greater daemons as GUOs

>>50049008
Except unlike Living Saints, Avatars LITERALLY have the Daemon special rule. And no, that's not just for crunch, or they would just give them a different special rule with a 5+ invulnerable save.

They're daemons.

>>50048758

If you look at the unit type, it says an Avatar of Khaine counts as a Daemon.

Besides Sisters, what army has the most metal models? Shit that hasn't been updated to plastic?

>>50049255
Avatars of Khaine comes from a warp being. Daemons come from Warp beings.

Living Saints come from a being in the Materium, not a warp being.

I feel like that's the distinction between daemon and not-daemon.

>there are still Eldarfags that are in denial about the fact that khaine and khorne are reflections of the same entity

>>50049216
>Gonna buy all the Sisters shit and build like crazy.
Actually you might want to wait for a moment to see if the currently, VERY reliable rumors are true or not. If they are true then they are releasing Adeptus Sororitas aka Sisters of Battle as a new army. And seeing how good newest GW models have looked, sisters will be totally over_the_line bonkers how good and detailed they will look.

I will cream my pants if Seraphim, in all their angelic visage, look as angelic as those Age of Sigmar flying sigmarine dudes look. In fact I will never stop creaming and the northern hemisphere will drown out in my endless manjuices.