If plot advancement was possible in 40K, which faction would

Orks

>>49995679
Are you serious?
>entropy: the faction not winning in the long run

Well, let's look at on a faction by faction basis.
-Tau: They won't be able to win for a looong time without some really massive advances in their tech, making FTL for them possible, preferably without major risk of Warp rape, and letting them combat Necrons/DEldar on the same level or beat the Imperium/Orks in a war of attrition.
Dark Eldar: Very unlikely. They've bullshit tech levels, but they lack numbers, drive and unity. Maybe if an Archon came round who promised to deal with Chaos forever and was really, really convincing... But that would be bullshit.
Craftworld Eldar: Again, numbers and unity are an issue and they lack the DEldar's tech. They could survive, but not win.
Harlequins: Depending on Cegirnach, maybe.

>>49995706
I thought the consensus was that orks already won? They massively outnumber everyone and the universe is in a state of perpetual warfare, which is literally all they want.

>>49995761
In that sense they are winning, but eventually some other faction might wipe them out.

>>49995679
Isn't it Nids, from a technical standpoint? They eat galaxies.

Non40kfag here, just assuming from what I've read.

>>49995679
But OP, Orkz already won, with Tyranids being right behind them.

>>49995679
It's gotta be either Tyrannids, Necrons, or maybe Chaos.

>>49995706
No way jose, they would be like the only ones who can't really win as their tech is shit. They may be able to put up a really good fight especially on the ground, but you can exterminatus them while they can't do the same to you.

Now the most common answer here will probably be nids. Necrons are another reasonable possibility. For all that people like to shit on chaos, I don't think that either the nid's or the crons have the capability to actually permanently kill off the gods and demons, so it could be said they win just cause they won't loose. ALL that being said, I don't think they will Wright cannon where humanity looses, for no bwtter reason then they ( and their market) are human. So way I figure it it's one of those four, but im betting on emp getting up and raping face after everything goes to shit and needing a whole nother great crusade to save/unite humanity again.

>>49995706
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>>49995679
Tau

>>49995848

Plot advancement would be the Emprah waking up, finding the remaining sons, finishing the webway with a captured magnus at the helm, and tipping his fedora at the chaos gods so hard they disintegrate. Then the ULTRAMINESWINLOL all over the tyranids.

>>49995918

Sadly if it ever does advance to a conclusion, that is in fact a likely outcome. We all know they have some hack writers over there.

>>49995825
Yeah, but guess what, exterminatusing a planet is a net loss for the imperium since they lost a useful world in the process. Orks give no shit.

>>49995825
>Ork tech is shit
Who cares how bad your tech is when you can grab a tailpipe, attach it to a laptop, and say "itza nuke shoota", and blow up entire cities.

This, combined with the fact that Orks reproduce so fast means that they would slowly, but inevitably, beat everyone else.

>>49995766
Which in ork logic wouldn't be losing, since if you die you haven't technically lost the battle, you're just dead.

These threads are always populated by ignorant cunts who haven't read the fluff.

Lets examine things faction faction.

Orks : The race has a primal desire to conquer the galaxy. Despite trying for millions of years, all Ork attempts ended in failure. The closet they ever got was with the Beast Waaagh! which united most of their race but ended up being defeated by only the Imperium. If the united Ork race beneath the Beast and his Prime-Orks couldn't conquer the galaxy, then Ghaz has fuckall chance to do it.

Tyranids : They are late to the party and whatever they are doing now is just helping Chaos towards their victory by weakening the Imperium

Necrons : Newcrons are a disunited mess of conflicting agendas and madness. Lets be real them uniting ever again us out of the question in the few years the setting has left is just a tall order. Furthermore, Necrons, as in the whole race, went quiet in the End Times. They disappeared from the galaxy spotlight. This indicates maybe that they withdrew from the galaxy

This all leaves Chaos which the fluff heavily hints will be victorious as the only thing capable of stopping it is dying.

>>49996195
>Orks : The race has a primal desire to conquer the galaxy. Despite trying for millions of years, all Ork attempts ended in failure. The closet they ever got was with the Beast Waaagh! which united most of their race but ended up being defeated by only the Imperium. If the united Ork race beneath the Beast and his Prime-Orks couldn't conquer the galaxy, then Ghaz has fuckall chance to do it.
You forget that the motherfucking Emperor and Imperium were competent. Also Ork victory condition doesn't require unification. They just need to fight non-stop and eventually all of galaxy is a some shade of green.

>>49996195
>tyranids
>helping chaos

Nigga meat is meat.

>>49996227
>motherfucking Emperor

It was in 32K. The Emperor was throne'ed.

>Imperium were competent.

The opposite. The Imperial dismal incompetence is what made the Beast crisis worse than it was.
>They just need to fight non-stop and eventually all of galaxy is a some shade of green.

They will be as the Orcs were in the WHFB End Times, background noise that banging while the true players pull off their moves.

>>49995679
If by win you mean kill all the rest? Tyranids.
If by win you mean achieve their ultimate objective? Orks have already won. Only peace would strip it from them.

>>49996338
>Orks have already won

Actually, no. The Orks ultimate objective is to conquer the galaxy.

Chaos has it the easiest, if the Emperor dies then reality gets destroyed.
Tyranids and Necrons will steamroll the galaxy with little sweat if their win condition is fullfilled.
The Imperium, Orks and Eldar will have to do a little bit more than the previous two, but it will still be easy.
Chaos humans will have a harder time, because they only have Abaddon and conventional Chaos forces, but they'll have to betray the Chaos gods. So unless Abaddon has a few tricks up his sleeve on how to bring in the psychic evolution and enslave Chaos it would be a meat grinder.
Dark Eldar have to piggyback off of the Eldar as far as I know. Or hope that the Orks win and don't figure out how to enter the Webway. Because everyone else has the means to invade the Webway.
Tau have no chance. Every other faction is nearing their win condition. They don't have the time to advance their tech in literally all fields, expand their territory and influence to something serious while still keeping everything supplied and in check and then start invading with some actual numbers. The Greater Good is the only thing they have, but it has nothing on Chaos or the Imperial Creed, especially if the Emperor is back, in the long run.

It's impossible for the tyranids to win. The hive fleets are all making a beeline for the Astronomicon and if they succeed in eating Terra then Chaos autowins.

Orks are the biggest failures in 40k.
They were created to save the Old Ones and they failed at that.
Then they somehow birthed their own gods and managed to fail them, as Gork and Mork want them to conquer the galaxy.
For bonus points, Gork and Mork are also failures. They can't oppose the Chaos gods, despite the Ork legends telling them otherwise. If they could, they would save Tuska. As it stands now, Tuska and his warband are only fuelling the Daemon who captured them, and by extension Khorne, despite the Orks still being loyal to Gork and Mork.
And they have failed themselves. According to them the Orks are the best fight ever, so it's logical that they would prefer to only fight amongst themselves. But for that they have to conquer the galaxy, something they fail to do every time some other race kicks their shit in or they fall to in fighting and wipe themselves out.

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>>49995679

Doesn't matter /thread

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>>49995868

>>49995979
>this meme again

ork psychic fuckery means their ramshackle shit works without jamming or exploding like it should. You couldn't give a boy a bucket for a helmet and have him walk on the moon.

>>49997054
>He doesn't know about the fluff for Ork life-support systems

>>49995679
Orks - the galaxy is at war everywhere, they already won.

Out of everybody else:
Nids - they are the fastest and most efficient at bringing use to any conquered resources PLUS they have fleets pouring in from outside the galaxy.

>>49995848
If nids eat al the humies and other races, chaos gods will be starved off the energy.
They don't need to directly go and try to bite Khorne's face off to win.

>>49996448
They don't conquer things. They just inhabit and fill them with fighting.
Galaxy is full of fighting, all they need is just get some orks into every bit of it.

Depends (tm)

Chaos has the ability to spread throughout the universe. That being said if it spreads throughout the universe and there isn't anyone to worship it it'll collapse. Catch 22.

Nids will eat everything however we don't know how big their hive fleet is or if they are fleeing something bigger (which was something that was hinted at). Currently the nids are at a stalemate unless they get their fleets into the galaxy. How many fleets there are and what is hunting them is the real question.

Orks can hang on no matter what and can give the nids a run for their money. If the nids run out of steam then the orks can theoretically win if they don't stop fighting themselves.

Given enough time the Tau have enough technology and they actually seem to be progressing in technology rather than re-gressing like the rest of the world.
The people who will ultimately fail are probably the Necrons because of space dementia and the Imperium because of the fact they lack the means to expand.

Things don't look peachy for the eldar and the dark eldar either but they still can run away from most of the problematic situations.

If plot advancement happened and an End Times occured, then they probably do the same thing as Fantasy and bring out all the main faction characters for $$$. In that case, I'd put my money on either humans or Tyranids. The Emperor is pretty strong, and bar the Chaos gods coming out to beat him up he'd probably win the war singlehandedly. However, the Imperium has things like the Void Dragon in Mars that could defeat them instantly, and whether or not Ynnead is actually real and strong is a question. On the other side, the tyranids aren't from the galaxy and it's hinted there's a much bigger swarm coming.

>>49995761
This /tg/ meme needs to die. Orks want to win. They don't want to settle for second best they want the galaxy for themselves. The constant warfare shit is just fanwank about a misunderstanding of the orks psychic field.

>>49997522
Or something's hunting them. What if Men of Iron established themselves in the other galaxy

>>49997553
Theres no evidence apart from an inquisitors hypothesis that the nids could be running from something. Unless you've got some proof asking whats in the other galaxy is as pointless as asking how the Tau could win 40k. Because the answer is it does matter the nids will eat them anyway.

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>>49997548
Tuska the Daemonslayer says HI

He's also your prom date, you sack of shit

>>49997617
Yes I know that bit of fluff. What about that proves your point?

The Q'Orl.

>>49997594
It does matter because if something is hunting the nids then.

A) Nids are on their last leg. Currently they have accomplished a stalemate at best in the current galaxy, each hive fleet has been beaten back by the Imperium which honestly is shit

B) There will be yet another invasion into the universe.


Also its "hinted" there are bigger fleets. Nothing substantial yet. In the current situation its a stalemate with the nids slowly losing bio-mass due to attrition of being hit by warships and the like as they dwindle down their previous invasion forces.

>>49997646
>The constant warfare shit is just fanwank about a misunderstanding of the orks psychic field.

Constant Warfare is what the Orks want. Tuska and his boyz are the happiest they've ever been just fighting and dying for eternity. Only Ghazkull has ambitions for more, and he's considered almost unorky for it - if he wasn't the stompiest, shootiest, most kunning boss of them all other Orks wouldn't stand for it, much less follow him. But they do, simply because he delivers good fightan.

Like that Eldar philosopher, Something-Or-Other the Perverse once said: Orks have answered the great question. They want for nothing but existence and violence. So long as they have that, they are content.

>>49996195
B-b-but Anon... The Silent King.... h-he is here to save the Necrons

>>49997674
>Implying the will of Gork and Mork is un orky
K.

Orks hate the other races and the idea of them resting on there laurels because they're happy with the state of the galaxy is laughable.

Are Orks happiest out fighting, yes. Would it ever be hard for an Ork to find a good fight, no.

>>49995679
None. If a faction were to win it would make the setting pointless.

So if plot advancements were to happen every factions should fallow its course without invalidating any other. Some victories, some losses for everyone, leading to a new status quo. A different status quo than before, but still a status quo for the time being.

>>49997672
>Theres no proof
>It doesn't matter
Huh...


Besides leviathan was slowed not stopped. And it only cost the Imperium innumerable worlds and sacrifice.

Nids won't win as GW is lining up others to stop them with the Crons and Orks and the Imperium actually learning. However its a distraction that no other faction can afford. Think Skaven in fantasy end times.

>>49997757
I think everyone knows that. The real question should be who's your favourite and how are they gonna win it? Thats how people will argue about it anyway.

>>49996781
>Tyranids make it to Terra
>Tyranids eat the Emperor
>Emperor overpowers the Hive Mind and becomes the new Hive Mind
>Shadow in the Warp becomes the Beacon in the Warp as all Synapse Creatures become mini-Astronomicons

>Ultranids become canon.

>>49996781
Is there any fluff that states Emps dying will cause a new eye? Cause if the Shadow in the warp is large enough after eating Mars and Terra, would the Demons even be able to spawn from the hole in the webway?

>>49997857
When Magnus tried to tell the Emperor about Horus's treachery, he broke the Webway the Emperor was building. The portal was on Terra, and without the Emperor keeping it closed, it would open up and shit out daemons forever

>>49997878
Yes thats not what I asked.

Cause the Shadow in the warp can stop demons spawning if its large enough. The hole is in the man made webway Emps was building so even if they spawned and ran in they would do fuck all to the nids.

>>49997901
There's no clear answer to that, but evidence suggests "No", as Daemons can fight tyranids without being snuffed out of the material world by the Shadow.

Shadow in the Warp isn't a null field, it's white noise, it's the tremendous bulk of the hive minds psychic emanations moving through space. It doesn't cancel out psychics so much as drown them out with sheer volume. No matter how big though, it's unlikely it could smother a hole directly into the Warp.

>>49995679
>If plot advancement was possible in 40K, which faction would be most likely to win?

Misleading and a fallacy.

OP is asking how the 40K plot with END.

Advancement is possible without any of the races dying out. Which I was kinda hoping for when I clicked the thread. I want to know what plot advancements with characters, worlds, and events we can see before the whole end game nonsense.

>>49997810
I know, but I find it quite boring to be honest.
I would have a better time imagining possible (not matter improbable) futures for 40k.
Like, even if you think tyranids would eat all, why would you just stop there? The real question is what kind of stories could be told under that premiss. Tyranids eat everything, yes, but how? How does everything die? Will they make heroic last stands? Will they try to flee (for example craftworlds)? Will they hide (in the warp or the webway)? What happened to the warp if the galaxy is emptied by the way?

Tl:dr stating "X won because Y" is boring, give us a glimpse of the story it could be.

>>49997919
So how does Chaos win if Nids eat the Emperor then like that Anon stated? Not sure if that was you.

Sure the Imperium gets fuck but all the Xeno factions get the same lucky break and Abbadon would probably lose his grip on the Black legion without their goal to maintain them.

>>49997959
Yes I agree. However I think that only ever happens when two lvl 4 gronards disagree and have enough free time for the thread to get to that point.

>>49997990
It's the same thing with every "X vs Y", it doesn't raise above powerlevel argument instead of trying to create an interesting premiss.

>>49997938
Well, we can look at some existing plot threads/things that have already happened

The Tau are now isolated behind the great firewall. Admittedly with the Tyranids worming their way up into their butts. We see them forced to develop FTL or some new mode of transportation if they want to expand, or simply see them cut out of the galactic stage all together.

The Eldar are doublefucked. Commoragh is on borrowed time with Vechts door about to burst open and all hell break loose on it, and Eldrad KING GENIUS that he is jumped the gun with Ynnead and fucked the whole soul stone nexus plan. Oops. I'm thinking the three arms of the disparate Eldar race - Dark, Craftworld, and Maidenworld Eldar will unite and try to create for themselves a stronghold system, or GTFO out of dodge.

The Imperium is fragmenting like it always has been, but at an even more accelerated rate. Successor and Splinter states can/will spring up as it Balkanizes. This doesn't necessarily mean the death of all humanity, as long as the Emperor gets his daily snackies then he can theoretically keep shielding real space with the Light. But it makes it much more likely some outside threat destroys them

Necrons are slowly getting their shit again and supposedly the Silent King is returning to unite them. what makes the Necrons interesting is while they would never stoop to ALLY with inferior races, they aren't hostile unless they're on their lawn or somehow serving the C'Tan. They are also enemies with the Eldar AND Chaos. Which means they may not be hostile to the Imperium, as long as they don't see them as a threat or anything to worry about for the moment. It's even possible for human societies to survive as their slaves.

Tyranids are massing as the bulk of the hive fleets - all that has come now are supposedly scouting tendrils - arrive at the edge of the galaxy.

Orks are snowballing under Ghazkull into an Ur-Waagh

Chaos is as it always has been - 10 minutes from exploading into realspace

>>49997857
>>49997901
>>49997919

The webway hole isn't even what will cause the universe to derezz into the Immaterium. I don't even know why they bothered sticking that in the new fluff, maybe to make Magnus more of an idiot than a victim.

So the 40k books say:
1. There is a broken webway beneath the Golden Throne. If the Emperor dies, then daemons will burst forth in Terra. (new Horus Heresy novels)
2. The Emperor is trying to maintain the psychic evolution of mankind, and if he fails, man will become a lost race, and every human mind will become a gateway to man's destruction, as everyone becomes a portal to allow daemons into realspace. (core I think)
3. The Emperor is the only thing keeping the Chaos Gods at bay, and if he dies, the galaxy will dissolve into Chaos. (various daemon codices)
4. The Cadian Necron Pylons are what is keeping the Eye of Terror from expanding. If they are destroyed, then daemons will begin to be able to manifest anywhere in realspace (6e CSM codex).

I wonder why the FUCk there are four different but very similar Chaos-pocalypse scenarios, are they all just garbled takes on the same event?

I'm a "Chaosfag" but I would overwhelmingly prefer if the its not an I win button for Chaos. As is it sure seems like victory for tyranids is just victory for Chaos.

Anyone want to field a stab of whether the four different Chaospocalypses are supposed to all be the same event, or are they supposed to be different events or all just different descriptions of the same event?

>>49998057
the #1 reason I support the newcrons is that I feel that if any threat destroys the Imperium or mankind, it should be one of the original threats -- Chaos, Orks, or Tyranids.

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>>49997451
>That being said if it spreads throughout the universe and there isn't anyone to worship it it'll collapse. Catch 22.


That's what Archaon thought aswell, and look how that turned out.

chaos (infinite based on souls) or tyranids (eat everything including orks because they get bigger)

maybe necrons because they don't help chaos or tyranids

>>49997964

The Daemon Codex outright states that there's no more universe if the Emperor dies.

>>49997451
Chaos doesn't need worship to survive at all. Its much weirder than that.

>>49998067
>1.
No this is old fluff not from BL. Even if you don't know about it you are right it doesn't appear to matter.

>2.
Never read it stated that he is protecting the galaxies psykers. I know he can when he soulbinds them on terra but why bother with that if he can do it from the Throne anyway?

>3.
Thats always been to vague for me. Abbadons plan to expand the eye needs millions of souls to die before that starts happening whereas demon codex just says 'we already won brah'. Still fluff is fluff.

>4.
Could you source that? I don't remember that at all. just a page number would do.

>>49995785

I wouldn't be surprised if Orks save the galaxy from Tyranids.

>>49998135
>Could you source that? I don't remember that at all. just a page number would do.

Crimson Path from the 6e CSM codex.

For what its worth, I THINK the Black Legion supplement attempts to square all of the above. It has a part called "Dark Imperium" or "Daemon Imperium" in which Abbadon is given a vision of a possible future.

He's on Terra, the Eye has expanded to monstrously huge size in the sky, mankind is dead or tortured playthings for daemons, and daemons are surging to try to get out of what I think is implied to be the webway. What I found interesting about that portion is that Abbadon isn't exactly thrilled.

So what I THINK it all means is that if there is a "Time of Ending" thing for 40k, the deresolution into the Immaterium will be a slow process and the most practical element would be daemons being able to attack anywhere they want.

>>49997724
>Would it ever be hard for an Ork to find a good fight, no.
because they've achieved their ideal galactic state, constant warfare. They've won.

>>49998214
>They've won

That doesn't really make any sense. Many creatures in 40k exist perpetually in the state that makes the most sense to them (SM, CSM, daemons, tau, orks, dark eldar, etc).

>>49998183
>Crimson path
Wait doesn't it just state he needs to destroy the pylons before his path can spread out to Terra? Not that afterwards demons can spawn anywhere but that he will be able to push out the eye and allow demons to spawn on the path like in the eye?

>>49998214
>They've won.
Sure thing kiddo. Now go be irrelevant over in your corner.

>>49997724
>Orks hate the other races and the idea of them resting on there laurels because they're happy with the state of the galaxy is laughable.

Well, no. The idea of them resting their laurels is laughable because no self respecting ork would ever stop krumping gitz.

The ork doesn't go to war with an imperial world with the goal of conquering the world in the name of ork kind.

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>>49995679
Hush, you. We've seen what plot advancement looks like, and it ain't pretty. Don't give them ideas.

>>49998135
>Could you source that? I don't remember that at all. just a page number would do.

Page number 54, pdf page number 63, A Path of Crimson in the Black Legion supplement goes into much greater detail about blowing up the (Necron?) Pylons on Cadia will free the Eye of Terror etc. etc. plus a lot of deaths.

>>49998243
That's what I mean. The fact that he will be leading armies of daemons in realspace and not just doing daemon rituals to summon them on-site is a pretty big change.

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>>49998214
Orks haven't won. They may have achieved their goal, but said goal could at some point be undone if one of the other factions win.

As much as I love orks, it is kinda true they're just a background faction that mess around while plot happens. Not like that's a bad thing...

>>49998285

Yeah its actually a really horrifying plan for chaos for once. If it wasn't for all the questing and training montages new Abbadon would actually be pretty badass.

>>49998255
So they Orks would be happy if they were losing? How about if their entire race was dying out? I mean there'd still be fighting right so go at it kill all green skins amirite?

Its a dumb meme.

>>49998278
Cheers anon I'll read through it.

>>49997420
fuck off already. I am talking from the fluff here. It is stated that Orks have a primal desire to conquer the galaxy and dominate the other races.

Source is the main Rulebook and the Beast series.

>>49995751
Once kaines gate fails dark eldar are going to get fucked six ways till sunday by slaneesh. Dark eldar aint winning shit anon

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>>49998095
Archaon didn't account for the existence of the multiverse.

He is now. He is busy destroying one universe at a time. Someday the multiverse will be erased and Chaos with it.

>>49997451
There is nothing hunting the nids, they have eaten 12 galaxies before this one, the only thing compelling them to come here is the light from the astronomicon and their hungry bellies

>>49997857
The Shadow in the Warp has been pierced / dispersed twice before.
>Slaanesh dispelled it in Valedor to get to the Eldar souls
>The Emperor saved Tiggy from a Maleceptor

So the Hive Mind's Shadow is shown to be weaker than Slaanesh. But I'd probably say is on par on average.

So if Hive Mind is about as potent as the weakest Chaos God then yes.

Daemons will appear. Especially if the big 4 decide to work together.

>>49998415
>Especially if the big 4 decide to work together.
About that...

>>49998415
The Shadow in the Warp has little to do with the hive mind and more to do with the number of nids.

Unless there's a major paradigm shift, it definitely won't be the Emporium. They are one of the strongest right now, but they're constantly being ground away at, and losing resources. They have a HUGE bastion of resources to BE ground away, but they're still getting weaker by the day.

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>>49998491
>tfw emporium armani wont win 40k

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>>49995679
Orks. Simply because of their biology, physiology and reproductive cycle they could survive the total devastation of every planet in the galaxy.

>tfw the end result of 40k is eternal gorkamorka

Chaos gods could conceivably keep pouring out daemons forever but that's a lazy answer imho.

>>49995679
Didn't we just have this thread a day or two ago? It'll be chaos in order to twist No Space, No Time, Only Chaos into that sweet, sweet Age of Emperor reboot

Based on current fluff, Tyranids BY FAR. I went into a detailed explanation on it the last time we had this thread. Really expecting that Tyranid fluff to change some time soon because it's not even close with the amount of things going their way.

>their true numbers dwarf the numbers of all other factions put together by a factor of MILLIONS AT LEAST
>they have a psychic entity who's somewhat close to the absolute top guys Magnus, Emps, Chaos Gods, etc.
>ability to assimilate/adapt to practically anything

Imperium resources slowly dwindling away. Chaos can't manifest outside the Warp for long. Orks are too stupid and their numbers don't come close to Tyranids. Necrons too small in numbers even if everyone wakes up with even smaller numbers of superweapons that could actually have made the difference in them being tops. Dark Eldar too busy warding off Slaanesh to really get shit done.

Eldar are at a maybe because we still don't know what their most secret shit actually is who knows maybe they have a super plot device over in the Black Library. Even then though they are horribly outnumbered. Tau are also a maybe because of how quickly their race advances technologically. That being said, outside the new Tau supplements whenever any race gets serious they beat the shit out of Tau so we don't know how much their quick advancement's actually helping them.

>>49995706
We already decided this... The Orks have already won. They realized their ability to manipulate reality, and used it to create an orkish utopia, in which there is nothing but war. The reason the story doesn't advance isn't anything to do with GW. It's because the Orks enjoy the perpetual conflict far too much to allow it to.

>>49998930
>>49998369

>>49998875
>Tyranid fag degenerate say based on current fluff but doesn't knew any curren fluff.

Chaos daemons are infinite and the walls of reality are crumbling. The Great Eye opens for the last time and the humans are exploding to daemons all over the place.

Playing the numbers game like a typical tyranidfag will not avail you. Chaos pouring ceaselessly into reality through the ever increasing number of rifts and warpstorms.

The Warpocalypse draws near and the Tyranids are too late to gain anything in the galaxy.

>>49998325
>Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

They don't "lose". At least not unless you wipe out their entire force.

>>49998988
>Tyranid fag degenerate
Tyranids are far from my favorite, it's usually Chaos and Eldar.

Anyway, despite being infinite, as I said the primary problem with Chaos is its inability to maintain itself outside the Warp for long.

Even if they get past that and thus are MAYBE able to match Tyranids' numbers overall (though not at once), they are still no match for Tyranids' assimilation/adaptation fluff bullshit.

No matter who wins or loses, there will ALWAYS be orks, just by the virtue of their biology.

Tyranids win? Orks are still there, rampaging across the galaxy and smashing bugs.
Chaos wins? Orks are there, germinating on any planet they can.
The Imperium wins? No matter how hard they may try, no exterminatus can kill every single Ork spore.

They don't have to win, since Orkz are made for fighting.

>>49995761
Literally no one but you thinks that.

>>49998369
That would be the ork's 'best end'. They've achieved their 'good end'. They can progress to total galactic domination, but they've already achieved a victory state, and while they can also go on to lose, for the moment, they've won.

>>49999053
>Anyway, despite being infinite, as I said the primary problem with Chaos is its inability to maintain itself outside the Warp for long.

and that changed in the End Times as the walls of reality have never been thinner and the Warp have never been as ragey and active.

And daemonic sorcery and might is far beyond the abilities of the Tyranids to handle, especially if fully energized.

Furthermore, Tyranids avoid warpstorms like the plague. The whole galaxy is about to explode into a giant one.

>>49999069
Chaos wins? Orks are there, germinating on any planet they can.

They all die because the Chaos ending says that Chaos will extinguish all life when they win.

>>49997829
Best ending imo even if just to shut up chaos fags

>>49999091
Still better than newcrons, recent tau fluff and recent admech fluff.

>>49999146
Nope, they are happy with the status quo but it doesn't mean they won anything.

Both Khorne and Orks enjoy war but each one of them has an primary objective in his existence.

>>49999148
Orks toll around khornes chair. Your argument is invalid.

>>49999069
>no exterminatus can kill every single Ork spore
Almost every exterminatus does that.

Even without exterminatus, it was never said a "contaminated" world was contaminated forever. Likely, when orks spores give birth to new orks on a world controlled by another factions, those orks get killed, leaving fewer spores making fewer orks until the ork population is totally eradicated. Probably take centuries if not millennia but if contamination were permanent they would be pretty much no Imperial worlds without a sizeable ork population.

>>49998875
While I agree with your general notion, I think you are underestimating the Orks.

>>49998491
Psyker apotheosis nigga.

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>>49998559
'Nids gonna nom the orks. In the more recent fluff leviathan is winning against Octarius.
>>49995679
The Answer is 'Nids or crons OP. Everyone here knows this.
>inb4 wankery
I'm a HFY fan. I used to play Guard and marines before the game went to shit

>>49998415
So never?

>>49999244
Hey remember that time the Necrons went to sleep for 60,000,000 years because the Eldar were just kind of around?

>>49999148
>End Times
>End
>Times
Is this a joke post? GW themselves have said that the universes aren't one and the same.

>And daemonic sorcery and might is far beyond the abilities of the Tyranids to handle, especially if fully energized.
Nope. Tyranids have kicked the living shit out of Chaos in the vast majority of fluffy encounters that they have had.

>Furthermore, Tyranids avoid warpstorms like the plague. The whole galaxy is about to explode into a giant one.
Assimilate Chaos forces, reproduce these newly assimilate Chaos guys that can operate in the warp, send them into Warp, and boom! Chaos is done even with your seemingly randomly made up crap about the galaxy turning into one big warpstorm.

>>49999230
He is absolutely underestimating the orks.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Octarius_War

Oldcrons would have won but now it's Chaos or Nids.
Orks have already won forever

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>>49999267
Member when we had murdering killbots instead of goofy space Egyptians with a case of Alzheimer's?

>>49999290
>Is this a joke post? GW themselves have said that the universes aren't one and the same.

first of all, no they didn't.

Second, the term End Times pops up all the time in 40K lore, you idiot. It refers to the period after 999 41K.

>Nope. Tyranids have kicked the living shit out of Chaos in the vast majority of fluffy encounters that they have had.

A fucking lie, from a Tyranid fag degenerate. The majority of Tyranid vs Chaos encounters ended with Tyranids losing badly.

>Assimilate Chaos forces, reproduce these newly assimilate Chaos guys that can operate in the warp, send them into Warp, and boom! Chaos is done even with your seemingly randomly made up crap about the galaxy turning into one big warpstorm.

Tyranids cannot consume daemons and they avoid tainted flesh.

Of course, you wouldn't know this because Tyranidfags are invalids.

>>49999183
Because he claimed their souls. They are not the only ones there.

He has Eldar, humans, Tyranids, etc in there.

>>49999342
The Orks were losing the Octarius war badly, losing planet after another to the advance of the Tyranids.

It took the intervention of the Imperials and Eldar and then the arrival of Ghaz to save the Orks from defeat.

>>49999244
Leviathan can win against the orks in battle. Nids can devour the entire galaxy. And once that's over they can move on to the next galaxy to destroy. It's awesome.

But, from under the dust, the ork spores lay dormant and a hatch creating a self sufficient food chain and repopulate the galaxy after the Nids are gone.

>>49999463
>nids
>not consuming ALL biomass

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Nids are the coolest thing about 40k, and the evolution of their design is amazing. That said, there's no way they will ultimately "win" the galaxy.

>>49999444
They're not losing according to the current fluff. Its a stalemate. Leviathan has been stopped in its tracks for now. They want Tyranid players to feel like the big bad but the only main hive fleet is stuck on one planet currently drawing in orks from everywhere.

Tyarnids are 0/2 so far.

>>49998259
God this, there was a time where plot advancement seemed so cool, Remember them build your own mutants bags GW sold for 15$ during the 13th black crusade eye of terror book?

But now we see how bad it can get..

>>49999444
The battle on Octarius proper was a grinding stalemate before the imperials and eldar got involved.

>>49999396
>first of all, no they didn't.
>Same characters with totally different origins
>Same gods with totally different origins
>b-but muh warp anything is possible
Nah.

>It refers to the period after 999 41K.
Alright lets take it as that.

>A fucking lie, from a Tyranid fag degenerate. The majority of Tyranid vs Chaos encounters ended with Tyranids losing badly.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink

Tyranids prevent Chaos from essentially being Chaos. Due to their nature as explained in that link and their constant consumption of everything Chaos gets WEAKER when they fight Nids.

>Tyranids cannot consume daemons and they avoid tainted flesh.
Nids are immune to taint.

They can also block the connection to the Warp.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadow_in_the_Warp

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>>49999476
There's already precedent of this happening after Nids have moved on from a planet. The spores aren't worth the effort to dig out and eat the Nids, if they were aware of them, would be smart enough to realize it's better to leave them behind than waste energy trying to tar sands the energy out and just come back one day when there's millions of juicy orks to eat. Still doesn't mean they win tho, just that a cycle can be created.

I'm far too lazy to dig through old codexes to find the reference to orks repopulating after a Nid exit to win a pointless debate on 4chan so you can call it a win for yourself sure little buddy.

What the fuck with this "Tyranids eat everything and Chaos wins" fuckery? Some edgylord was bullied in school badly today or what?
What is the basis for this claim?

>>49995679
Old Crons or Nids.

>>49999512
>the only main hive fleet is stuck on one planet currently drawing in orks from everywhere.
It's a small Tyranid force still comparatively

>Tyarnids are 0/2 so far.
It's explained as a stalemate because Orks get stronger as more Orks join, but the constantly dying Orks give Nids biomass to make the nids even stronger.

>>49999596
Fluff?

>>49999512
Wrong.

>>49999551
Wrong again.

The Orks were losing until Ghaz arrived. I will post the sources soo0n.

>>49999608
You left out that the nids are dying constantly too. They have to harvest the biomass, take it to a digestion pool and then repurpose it. I honestly have no idea how they are doing that due to the fact orks have space superiority in that particular scenario.

Disregarding the fact that they have no hive fleet to reproduce their shit (thanks gw) its a toss up. Regardless they're stuck on one planet right now and the planets natrual stuff (like trees ect) are all gone. Now its just orks and nids.

>>49996448
Saying that the Orks goal is to conquer the galaxy is like saying that Usain Bolts goal is to be really sweaty and slightly further away instead of GOIN FAST. Or that a heroin addicts goal is to sleep face down in a mattress made of rats outside instead of to get high as fuck.
Orks need to fight and all the warbosses happen to be the ones smart enough to envision a war bigger than the next town over.

> TFW 'nids are actually running from a monumental extragalactic fleet of orks

>>49995679
Necrons win be default, they can just wait out all the other races going extinct and then carry on doing whatever they want. Even Chaos is a temporary inconvenience (if even that) to them.

>>49999627
More like your head canon?
Can you point to the bit where it says that complete annihilation of all living things in the galaxy works towards the Chaos Gods goal?

>>49999701
That was old crons, sadly. New guys are total pushovers.

>>49999675
The greenskins lost three planets but the nids lost a horde of bioships to minefields and ork ships. They were stoped before Ghaz arrived @Octarius.

>>49999701
Currently newcrons have space dementia that is killing them off.

Clearly this can only be answered with a 9999999 or 0000000 get.

>>49998286
This desu. Orks are closer to natural disasters than to a faction. They exist, they always will. Most of the time it is a relatively minor nuisance. Every once in a while shit gets really bad and people are reminded of what the Orks can do.

They are not a true "PC Race" though. I say this as an ork player and lover.

>49999999
>50000000

>>49999821
True but somehow orks feel more 40k than Nids do. Maybe it's because they use metal weaponry and 40k feels like a metal universe.

>>49999755
>>49999787
Well that's a bummer and terrible writing. Way to go, GW.

>>49999706
Never claimed that. Stop pulling shit out of your ass there are already enough shitposters in this thread.

>>49999559
>>Same gods with totally different origins

The fantasy says nothing about origin of the Chaos Gods.

The liber Chaotica outright proves that both settings are connected. GW never made any official statement that they separated the settings. In fact, they dropped 40K eastereggs all over the End Time WHFB books.

But that line of discussion is a sidetrack started by your stupidity.

>Alright lets take it as that.

I'll take it as a fact that your are retarded. The term END TIMES pops up in the codexes and rulebooks a lot. The fact that you missed it means you are a casual lexfag.

>Tyranids prevent Chaos from essentially being Chaos. Due to their nature as explained in that link and their constant consumption of everything Chaos gets WEAKER when they fight Nids.

You said the majority of Tyranid encounters and post the single one that they won? The Tyranid won this because the daemons ran out of juice prior to this the Tyranids were getting destroyed.

In fact, the story has the Tyranid sensing no biomass in the daemons and nids who ate daemon flesh by mistake died horribly. The Tyranids avoided tainted biomass and daemons in that battle.

The rest of the Tyranid vs Chaos fights ended with Tyranids getting outnumbered and losing even with the home turf advantage. Going post sources in a sec.

>Nids are immune to taint.

No, they are not. In Shadowbrink, Tyranids got mutated to death by the taint. In facts, we have lore that has Tyranids being enslaved by Chaos corruption (Storm of Iron/Daemon World Novels)/

>They can also block the connection to the Warp.

No, they don't. They just make it harder to connect to it. The Shadow of the WArp does fuck all to daemons who manifested.

>>49999871
This

I started playing in 2nd edition so marines vs orks is kinda what I always see as 40k's focus, entirely because the starter box. I didn't even care about the other factions until I started working at GW just before 3rd came out and I switched from orks to Templars because sheep.

Nids have the best minis nowadays I think.

>>49999936
Then stop posting bullshit yourself. Or you that faggot who used "End Times" as an actual argument?
Great Game was never about destroying materium - chaos simply cease to exist if all the worshipers, all the rape toys will vanish.

>>49999957
>In Shadowbrink, Tyranids got mutated to death by the taint. In facts, we have lore that has Tyranids being enslaved by Chaos corruption (Storm of Iron/Daemon World Novels)/
Which are not canon, if you actually read new Nidish codex - they don't have any connections to warp.

>get

Nids win

>>49999694
Brainboyz and 'deir bestest nobz, ayeah

>>50000025
nope

>>49999772
A tendril was obliterated but from one ship it was rebuilt again after eating a planet after another. It then summoned the rest of the hive fleet. The Orks lost more than three planet and the capital world of Octarius was going to fall until Ghaz arrived.

Source is the Ghaz supplement.

The Overfiend series, the Deathwatch novella, and a slew of books confirm that the nids were dominating the conflict. Stop reading the lex and get to the sources books.

>>49999957
Posting relevant text.

>The stolen planet was not the only legacy of Rakarth’s grand ambition. The rending of the veil had left a gaping wound in reality, and a large spar of the webway had been opened to the realm of terrors that mankind calls the Warp. Saim-Hann was reeling in the face of a large-scale daemonic invasion that was spilling through the rift, and the tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, denied the power of its planetary feast, was being slowly torn apart by the hellspawned host that appeared within its bio-ships.

-Haemonculus Coven Codex

>>50000005
>Which are not canon,

Says who? You? Stop being an idiot. Chaos corrupts things like rocks and stars. Tyranids are no different.

>>50000064
>AGAINST THE SWARM

>Led by packs of snarling Warp Talons, the Harvest audaciously tore their way through the Immaterium and straight into the seething innards of a Tyranid hive ship.

>Spilling into the guts of the mega-beast, the Harvest set about slaughtering the writhing creature from the inside out. Though it sent showers of acid and swarms of weapon beasts against them, the hive ship could not purge its tormentors. Carving a path through the fleshy walls and pulsing viscera that confronted them, the Harvest slew the enormous beast in the name of Khorne, before digging in to resist the inevitable counter-attack. Sure enough, Tyranid bio-craft soon latched onto the hide of their shoal-mate, spewing swarm after swarm of horrors into its carcass. Yet the Harvest counter-charged time and again, the body count rising until Daemons tore through the veil to lend their blades to the battle. Finally, the last Tyranid beasts fell, bodies riddled with bolts and brutally sawn apart. Ichor stained and victorious, the last of the Harvest howled Khorne’s praises into the void.

-Daemonkin codex

The Shadow of the Warp does fuck all to protect you against a daemon incursion. If Chaos wants in, it will get it.

Nothing short of Emperor or a properly power null field can keep them out.

>>50000112
>Chaos corrupts things like rocks and stars
If you are referring to chaos worlds - they are simply being tucked in immaterium. Or again with your head cannon?

>>50000112
>Nothing short of Emperor or a properly power null field can keep them out.
C`tans.

>>49999957
Slaanesh didn't exist in 40k verse for a LONG time taking its timeline into consideration. There's also the GHO who has no pull in 40k but has huge pull in Fantasy plus the Order Chaos guys from Fantasy/AoS.

Post some Tyranid encounters with Chaos where they won? Oh wait, you can't.

>No, they are not. In Shadowbrink, Tyranids got mutated to death by the taint. In facts, we have lore that has Tyranids being enslaved by Chaos corruption (Storm of Iron/Daemon World Novels)/
Proven to be wrong by recent text

>
No, they don't. They just make it harder to connect to it. The Shadow of the WArp does fuck all to daemons who manifested.
But it prevents further daemons from being manifested and makes daemons already there harder to stay materialized.

>>50000064
>-Haemonculus Coven Codex
All that needs to be said. It wasn't an actual battle, nor did anyone actually win it. Might wanna reread that supplement to see what's actually happening.

>>50000112
>only manages to destroy a hive ship
>total Chaos victory somehow

>>50000169
Nope, there are daemon worlds in real space.

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>>50000187
SOMEONE SAY CATANS?!

>>50000112
Also was double checking before I wanted to post it, but that excerpt from the KDK codex does contradict fluff established before and after it, so it's not the best source for fluff either.

>>50000248
>Post some Tyranid encounters with Chaos where they won? Oh wait, you can't.

Already did.
>Slaanesh didn't exist in 40k verse for a LONG time taking its timeline into consideration.

Time has no meaning in the Warp, according to the daemon dex. Slaanesh always in the Warp.

Case and point Be'lakor who was created by Slaanesh and the rest of the gods before the Fall of the Eldar. A guy who exists in both settings and a guy who saw the birth of both eldar and necrons.

Also you ignored the WD articles, the WHFB End Times, and Liber Chaotcia which all show that 40K and WHFB are connected. So by the official word of GW they are still connected.

>Proven to be wrong by recent text

Nope, there is no text that says Tyranids cannot be corrupted,

>But it prevents further daemons from being manifested and makes daemons already there harder to stay materialized.

>Post some Tyranid encounters with Chaos where they won? Oh wait, you can't.

Wrong, as shown in the excerpts I posted, the Shadow didn't stop the daemons from manifesting nor did it hinder their sorcery and fighting abilities.

>All that needs to be said. It wasn't an actual battle, nor did anyone actually win it. Might wanna reread that supplement to see what's actually happening.

Are you a dumbass. The event ends with daemons invading a craftworld and manifesting within the tendil of Hive fleet and slowly tearing it apart.

>>only manages to destroy a hive ship

Two ships and yes that's a victory. One Tyranid ship has a planetary force on its own.

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Pretty sure humans have God on their side. Isn't the emperor Jesus 2.0? Even if it doesn't seem like it, the Imperium of Man led by the Space Marines will win in the end.

>best selling range

>>50000297
What are you talking about? It contradicts nothing.

And for the record, recent sources trump older ones.

>>50000479
>all that effort

>>50000503
>All that non-argument.

Tyranidfags everyone.

>>50000518
I'm not the guy you're arguing with just a passerby
Cheers

>>50000518
>everyone
You really think you have an audience don't you lmao

>>49995679

I don't think Tau would win but they'd defintely be one of the strongest surviors in the aftermath, I think a good chunk of the Imperium would eventually cede to them in the face of certain death.

>>50000541
It doesn't matter. You threw a non-argument my way because what I said offended to the point that just had to shame me for disproving the other guy.

Ergo, Tyranidfags. Masters of non-arguments and ad homs.

>>50000571
I have you, baby <3.

>>50000479
>Belakor
>Created by Slaanesh
Seriously you can stop now. First it's "Chaos kills everything leading to no worship/power for them" and now this blatant lie.

Nothing in ET refers to 40k, the LC is old as shit and from a time when GW were trying to link the two universes, and Fantasy/AoS gods are far weaker than their 40k counterparts when based on how the gods work they should be far stronger.

But the newest text that shows that Tyranids only respond to Hive Mind with things like psychically controlling them or corruption not working on them.

>Shadow didn't stop
Exactly! All instances of SITW, past and future, have shown that a fleet with that tier of SITW should have stopped it. Like the Storm Of Iron example, it is inconsistent the rest of fluff. Even if it was a weaker SITW, the main fleet's SITW dwarfs even that so for the purposes of this topic Nids still win.


>are you a dumbass
Nope. Dark Eldar simulated a very particular case with that event where the tendril is basically left powerless while daemons retain all their power.

>>50000584
Your opinion didn't offend me. The amount of time you've spent here arguing it made me chuckle. I appreciate it, if anything. I'm happy you're spending your life the way you want.

>>50000518
>let me associate another user as Tyranidfag
Chaos Edgelords right here, people.

People like you make me and other sensible people embarrassed to be a Chaos fan, and are a cancer to Warhammer period. Next time you bitch about why some things are a certain way, from the product side it will obviously be GW's fault, but from a client perspective it'll be people like you who'll continue to hold the hobby back. I would say that you switch to another hobby, but you would contaminate it, too, like a Tyranid contaminates everything so it's better that you kill yourself.

easily the Jakearo, amd I'm only half joking.

>>50000791
>>Created by Slaanesh

He was created by the Four Gods as the first Prince of Chaos. I am starting to think you are trolling.

>he LC is old as shit and from a time when GW were trying to link the two universes

It's not that old. It's a 4th ED sourcebook and nothing contradicts its text.

And there is a 6th ED WD article that says daemon characters in WHFB and 40K are one and the same.

So it's official. Both settings are connected via the warp.

>But the newest text that shows that Tyranids only respond to Hive Mind with things like psychically controlling them or corruption not working on them.

Lies, there is no such text. While there is text of them being corrupted by Chaos.

>Exactly!

Yep, trolling.

>l instances of SITW, past and future, have shown that a fleet with that tier of SITW should have stopped it. Like the Storm Of Iron example, it is inconsistent the rest of fluff. Even if it was a weaker SITW, the main fleet's SITW dwarfs even that so for the purposes of this topic Nids still win.

Bullshit, the Shadow of the Warp was never shown to have any hindering effects on daemons. We have at least 6 examples of daemons manifesting despite the Shadow of the Warp from 4th ED to 7th ED. There is no a single example of the Shadow of the Warp banishing daemons or stopping from from manifesting. As far as daemons are concerned it's useless.

>Nope

Yep, dumbass.

The Tyranids were only denied a portion of that planet biomass.

And the Tendril wasn't powerless. Even starved hive fleets have massive forces. And by the way, in Shadowbrink, the daemons were the ones starving.
>Seriously you can stop now. First it's "Chaos kills everything leading to no worship/power for them" and now this blatant lie.

What does that have to do with anything? By the way, that's from the main rulebook so there is arguing about it.

>Nothing in ET refers to 40k

The Silvered Knight and Skaven contacting Eldar, Be'lakor!

>>50000858


Here's the argument that I see

Tyranid player
>Nope nope nope Tyranids win no matter what.

Chaos player
>No no no Chaos would beat them sometimes


While I dislike the chaos player I dislike the tyranid player more. Both of them need to DIAF

>>50000858
Piss off.

>>50000804
>that damage control

Nobody is buying that you got shocked by the fact that there are people wasting their time here discussing and arguing about nerd stuff. Nobody is that idiotic.

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>>49995679
Chaos, chaos is destined to win at some point submerging the real space into immateria.
The eldar foretell this with Rhana Dandra
Age of Sigmar suggests this in general.
and chaos cannot ever truly be beaten back.
>>49999360
Oh i member
Member when they were scary and had some plan for removing chaos so their gods could feast endlessly on the suffering of mortal races.

>>50001051
Now they have no end game and just stumble around being senile old goats.

What kills me is that people think this is good writing.

>>50000985
>implying to laugh at you isn't why i'm here
Threads like these are gold mines for laughs during downtime at work. Just because you and I are here for different reasons doesn't invalidate the other. Keep arguing.

>>50001111
You can quit the damage control, anon. You are safe now.

>>50001144
I have no idea what damage you're referring to desu, but I'm happy to watch silently again because clearly I'm upsetting you snowflake.

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Wow sometimes I wish I cared about pointless stuff like 40k hypotheticals as much as you all do, but I just can't do it.

>>50001165
Sorry that I upset you this much, anon.

Not/spoiler]

>>50001089
>they have no end game., stumble arround like blind old goats.
I'd need to loose more brain-cells to read AoS fluff and try and understand how the chaos gods showed up in AoS to be sure of how gw will take it but for the time being i'll go with this:

They are chaos.
They are not a logical force.
In-fact every indication suggests thy are the anti-logic.
They will likely end all mortal life, and begin the process of new mortal life and material worlds, fight and go into hibernation.
nothing changes.

>>people thing this is good writing.
Nobody believes this/
It's a penny dreadful at best but gw has it good moments, especially in the old days.
Now this will never be dune, but it will be ripped from dune

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>>50001218
Dude, I was referring to the Newcrons.

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>>50001231
Sorry anon.
Fuck newcrons.

>>50001089
M A T T W A R D
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W
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Always remember who is to blame for that. And the blood angels necron team up.

>>50001301
>Always remember who is to blame for that
GW? Because shitty retcons have continued long after Ward left.

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>>49997049
>Implying everyone won't be crushed under the weight of the IG, while the SM's simply rebuild everything else.

Shit they had to purposefully handicap themselves in order to give the other races a chance. 1 v.s. the world baby.

And the Imperium is still beating that ass.

>>50001356
He started it. There is more of his heresy that hasn't stuck around but anything he touched was tainted.

Also he's still employed by gee dubs.

>>50001380
>He started it.
I very much doubt a low-level writer changed so much without orders from on-high.

>Also he's still employed by gee dubs.
He left and came back. The orders from on-high are still retconning things with or without him left and right.

>>50001435
Hey when everything he touches turns to shit then I can freely blame him. At best he's a collaborator with Gee Dubs to kill off Old Crons and bring in some terrible fluff.

>>50000952
You said he was created by Slaanesh stop trolling we can clearly see this.

>4th Ed
>Not old mostly retconned stuff
>Using 6th Ed gameplay rules to support fluff
Stop trolling.

>using non-canon fluff on Tyranids getting Chaosed as a valid argument
Stop trolling.

>yep trolling
The irony

>lies no such text
Tyranids codex, that one BA supplement, Necrons/BA allies

>bullshit
That's because those were weaker SITWs. The SITW of the main fleet is stronger than all of those combined.

>starved fleets
If you cut daemons from warp they are done, same with starved tendril

>what does that have to do with anything?
You moving goalposts to find some victory for Chaos with your points being inconsistent meaning that you are either a stupid Chaos fanboy or, giving you the benefit of doubt here, probably trying to troll.


>Skaven contacted Eldar
>not confirmed for being Eldar or Old Ones, is more probable that it's Old Ones cuz Lizardmen
The state of irrational Chaos fanboys. Resorting to blatant misinformation and trolling. Disgusting.

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IG wins, fight me.

>>50001699
>manlets
When will they learn?

>>50001699
Truth. The only reason they cannot win via canon is because "too big, can't organize". If the Imperium spent less time dicking with Space muhrineees and more time restructuring their logistics and general war machine shit would actually get done. But noooooooo
Imperium has to be disordered because reasons.

>40k power level "who gonna win" thread
>Devolves into an argument between the Bugfuckers and the Chaos fags over which of their shitty factions Daddy Gee-Dubbs loves more, while Space Marines and IG try to join in, but are largely ignored

Gee, who woulda thunk it?

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>>50001666
>You said he was created by Slaanesh stop trolling we can clearly see this.

Yes, he was created by Slaanesh in a joint effort with the other three before the Fall.

>>Not old mostly retconned stuff

None of the Liber text was retconned.

>>Using 6th Ed gameplay rules to support fluff

The text was referring to the lore, not the rules.

>Stop trolling.

Non-canon says who?

>Tyranids codex, that one BA supplement, Necrons/BA allies

There is no such text in them. Post proofs.

>That's because those were weaker SITWs. The SITW of the main fleet is stronger than all of those combined.

Nice headcanon.

We have seen the Shadow of the Warp of multiple tendril fail to stop M'kar from transforming a world into a daemon ans summoning daemons.

>If you cut daemons from warp they are done, same with starved tendril

Nope. a starved tendril can still fight well and that tendril wasn't starved. It was just denied a portion of a planet.

>You moving goalposts to find some victory for Chaos with your points being inconsistent meaning that you are either a stupid Chaos fanboy or, giving you the benefit of doubt here, probably trying to troll.

Dude, stop with the stupidity. I never raised that point in my post chain with you.

Second, the main rulebook (picture related) says that Chaos will extinguish all life. So fuck off mister no proof.

>>not confirmed for being Eldar or Old Ones, is more probable that it's Old Ones cuz Lizardmen

The Old Ones have had no connection with the Lizardmen for thousands of years, before or after the End Times.

And The Skaven heard voices similar to that of the Elves. It's an easter egg of the Eldar.

>>50000952
>The Silvered Knight
It was sigmarine, not grey knight.
>and Skaven contacting Eldar
It were Old Ones.

>>50002107
>It was sigmarine, not grey knight.

Draigo was moving towards a world whose description was similar to the Old World.

And the Silvered Knight appeared in 40K first in the 6th ED daemon codex.
>It were Old Ones.

It wasn't. The Slaan lost contact with the Old ones for ages.

>>50002183
>Draigo was moving towards a world whose description was similar to the Old World.
Nope it was Draigo's dream and AoSclearly stated that Silvered Knights who helped Araloth was Sigmarine time-traveller.
>The Slaan lost contact with the Old ones for ages.
So what? Device was made by Old One and launched by skaven.

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>>50001811
>Chaos fags

I haven't read the whole thread and have no desire to, but based on what I've seen and simply what the argument is, I'm going to assume it's literally all just Carnac. Like it always is.

When are people going to learn to recognise him. It's been, what, 5 years?

>>50002214
>it was Draigo's dream

The codex doesn't say that.

> AoSclearly stated that Silvered Knights who helped Araloth was Sigmarine time-traveller.

Post proofs. AoS didn't say that.

>So what?

If the device was capable of contacting the Old Ones, then the Slaan would been in contact with them which they are not. The fluff states in WHFB and AoS that the Old Ones disappeared and were never heard from again.

>>50002224
Necrodermis is another name for Living Metal

>>50002293
>The codex doesn't say that.
It was in BL novel.
>Post proofs.
Excuse me, but I don't have them now and actually don't have time, ask in AoS general I am pretty sure some of book explained that wasn't Draigo who helped Araloth in Chaos Waste.
>If the device was capable of contacting the Old Ones, then the Slaan would been in contact with them which they are not.
Or may be skaven were smarter than Slanns and find the way how launch/fix it with their warptech.

I'd personally bet on orks winning even though they would never write that down in lore.

>>50002345
>It was in BL novel.

I thought you mean the codex.

The Advent story didn't have Draigo dreaming.

>Excuse me, but I don't have them now and actually don't have time, ask in AoS general I am pretty sure some of book explained that wasn't Draigo who helped Araloth in Chaos Waste.

I bought ever single AoS book and novel and read them all back to back (good stuff). There isn't a single line of text that says what you said.

Also the Silvered Knight shoot something from his arm. Stormcast don't shoot stuff from their arms.

>Or may be skaven were smarter than Slanns and find the way how launch/fix it with their warptech.

They just pressed a button.

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There is only one answer.

>>50002393
>Stormcast don't shoot stuff from their arms.
They had chaplains and libraries and they had bolters.
>They just pressed a button.
Well that's the progress sonce Slaans are too fat for this.

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>>49995679
The great thing about the Necrons is that in addition to their victory being the best possible outcome for 40k, they're also one of the most likely factions to win.

>>50002417
You missed few editions here, bud.

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>>50002429
>They had chaplains and libraries and they had bolters.

They don't have bolters.

And their magic dudes summon lightening. They do not shoot things from their arms.

>Well that's the progress sonce Slaans are too fat for this.

It's the Skinks job to push buttons.

>>50002443
>they're also one of the most likely factions to win.
Nope they just a little above the Eldars.

>>50002443
Less likely since they are divided and insane.

>>50002465
>They don't have bolters.
Guys on Dragon cavalry had one-handed bolter.
>It's the Skinks job to push buttons.
And they are too stupid to find right device.

>>50002475
Almost every faction is divided. The only united faction is the Tau and they're too small to be relevant.

>>50002480
You mean crossbow.

The Silvered Knight didn't have a crossbow.

>And they are too stupid to find right device.

It was a panel with buttons.

>>50002524
>You mean crossbow.
>g-g-guys it's totaly original design
Just admit, it's one-handed bolter.
>It was a panel with buttons.
The device was found among shitton of other Old One shit.

>>50002510
and Tyranids man.

Chaos has Abaddon uniting them and the Chaos Gods backing up his authority.

Orks have Ghaz and Gork and Mork are backing him up.

The Necrons have no central authority. No gods to follow. Each Overlords has his or her own agenda.

>>50002547
>Just admit, it's one-handed bolter.

The fluff calls it a crossbow. Not that it matters, the Silvered Knight wasn't armed with a crossbow. He just raised his arm and shot something into the daemons.

>The device was found among shitton of other Old One shit.

So?

>>50002554
The C`tans.

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>>50002446
Maynarkh comes.

>>50002588
They don't worship them

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Mfw the dust settles and ol' Pious is the only one standing.

>>50001854
Tzeentch's the one who actually created Belakor.

Old stuff is still retconned. Non-canon says the whole "new contradicting fluff" rule thing.

There is text in them. I am traveling atm so why not just give those things a read in the meantime so you'll actually know what you're talking about for once.

>using non-canon Graham McNiel garbage as a valid point...again
>"Chaos will extinguish all life"
>Easter Egg as something valid
>Doesn't know Lizardmen's connection to Old Ones
Holy shit. Chaosfags going full retard here! Are Chaosfags the most irredeemable 40k fanbase?

>can't play CSM correctly and thus complain about them being underpowered
>can't usually do CD right without Tzeentch cheese despite the versatile options
>can't do anything at all with either KDK nor Renegades despite some nice options
>Complain about Chaos support when they have all this and a giant fucking Scorpion
>now can't even get fluff right

>>50003286
>Tzeentch's the one who actually created Belakor.

Wrong.

The Dateslate says he was created by all Four.

>Old stuff is still retconned. Non-canon says the whole "new contradicting fluff" rule thing.

Nonsensical bullshit. None of what I said was retconned. Try again.

>non-canon

Proof it's not canon.

>>"Chaos will extinguish all life"

I posted the proof for this,

>>Easter Egg as something valid

Better than no proofs like you.

>>Doesn't know Lizardmen's connection to Old Ones

WHFB and AoS are united in the fact that the Old Ones have lost their connection to the Old Ones ages ago.

Now go away until you find proof.

>There is text in them. I am traveling atm so why not just give those things a read in the meantime so you'll actually know what you're talking about for once.

I read them all and I have them with me. Just point at which chapter and page.

>>49997548
There's lore about how the current state of the galaxy is basically the orks' win condition, newfag.

>>49995679
The Imperium, because they're the protagonists.

>>49997451
>Chaos has the ability to spread throughout the universe.
No, it doesn't. The Warp stops at the edge of the galaxy.

>>50003480
Cont'ed.
"Proof"ing that Tyranid fag are liars.

>Ancient beyond imagining, the Daemon Prince Be’lakor is the first of his kind. Raised up from mortality by the Gods of Chaos combined, he was given a portion of each of their power. Be’lakor’s fate has ever been influenced by the endless struggle between the gods, as he is beholden to each of the Dark Gods equally. At first, Be’lakor used the jealousy of the Ruinous Powers to gain their favours, never completely swearing his allegiance to any one of them. For a time, the gods fought over Be’lakor as children might squabble over a favoured toy. However, they soon realised the folly of combining their might into a single vessel, as Be’lakor was nearly uncontrollable. They soon began to raise up new Daemon Princes, each god choosing only champions that would be loyal to them, and them alone. Be’lakor remained the strongest of the Daemon Princes, though his might was diminished as the gods spread their power among their other servants. Nevertheless, Be’lakor remains a master of shadows, moving behind the veil of history exerting the will of the Chaos Gods upon the universe.

-Be'lakor dataslate

>Be’lakor was the very first mortal raised to the exalted rank of Daemon Prince, though what sacrifices he made and what horrors he inflicted to do so are lost even to the oldest tales. However it was Be’lakor that drew the Chaos Gods’ gaze – he somehow managed to intrigue all four of the dark brothers sufficiently that each granted him a portion of their godly might. This soon proved a mistake. The Chaos Gods seldom share anything for long, and so it was with Be’lakor.

-Be'lakor Battlescroll

>>50003502
No, it's not.

>>50003525
No, it doesn't.

When the Warp beacon in Sotha exploded, the warp energy traveled outside the galaxy until it reached the Tyranid fleets.

Also the Tyranid Hivemind is in the Warp. The Hivemind wouldn't exist without it.

>>50003480
Hmmmm...so Fantasy says Tzeentch did it, 40k says all four. Sounds like they are both TOTALLYDIFFERENT characters.

>using the part where codex tries to make its faction look cool
>Easter eggs better than nothing
>Old Ones lost connection to Old Ones
>it's more likely to contact something in another universe than something in the universe
From retard to full blown CHAOTIC stupid. How...apt. Get a life, famallama. This argument has gone far away from the main point in that Tyranids will win (which they will) to a demonstration of stupidity and time waste from you.

>>50003622
>Hmmmm...so Fantasy says Tzeentch did it, 40k says all four. Sounds like they are both TOTALLYDIFFERENT characters.

You

see

>>50003528

You are an idiot.

This is WHFB and 40K Be'lakor lore. Both state he was created by the four. What Tzeentch did was unite the gods against Be'lakor to punish him.

>From retard to full blown CHAOTIC stupid. How...apt. Get a life, famallama. This argument has gone far away from the main point in that Tyranids will win (which they will) to a demonstration of stupidity and time waste from you.

Where is proofs.

>>49998067
>There is a broken webway beneath the Golden Throne. If the Emperor dies, then daemons will burst forth in Terra.
Isn't this the same fluff that says Custodes are always going through a bunch of giant doors fighting daemons every day?

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Holy shit the chaos edgelord is still shitposting this is amazing.

>>50000804
You mad

>It's another 'let's take every piece from decades of lore literally and argue about who's objectively going to win through our own interpretations' episode

Oh boy.

>>49997208
>Ork life support systems
>Ork
>Life support
Choose one

>>50003922
No. The Emperor seals the webway gate by being on the Golden Throne. The Custodes and SoS only fought in the webway to try and fix the breach. This ended before the siege of Terra. This is why Malcador wasted away whilst the Emps was away.

>>49997548
eh orks dont just want eternal fighting or they would just attack themselves, they want eternal "good to an ork" fighting, which means it has to be mutable and changeable over time, against a number of different enemies and in a number of different locations and scenarios so it doesnt get boring

you also have to lose sometimes or at least be able to theoretically lose so it counts as a fight.

while the current situation is the orks win condition they still have to stop ANYONE ELSE WINNING to maintain their win condition, as pretty much anyone but khorne would eventually wipe them out for peace of mind if nothing else, and just fighting khorne all the time would get boring a few millennia

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>>49995679
It's up for debate, but let's get the obvious losers out of the way.

Humanity as a whole is stagnant and retarded. Even the Space Marines are, canonically, dwindling in number due to attrition thanks to how Gene-Seed works. Humanity deading out and fucking off into extinction is an inevitability, not a possibility.

Eldar and Dark Eldar are likewise fucked. The former are a dying race and the latter are basically Crossed: The Race before Crossed was a comic. They're going to burn out soon.

Tyranids and Orks both basically function as little more than virulent diseases, not expanding races. The Tyranids don't necessarily adapt or function outside of parasitism, and Orks will turn on themselves given a lack of better opponents.

Chaos and Chaos Space Marines basically suffer from the same problems the Imperium suffers from at best, and will tear itself apart a worst.

If the plot advances, the Tau take point by being able to advance as a race and being able to advance technologically as well. No other faction shows evolutionary growth, and canonically pretty much every race but the Tau are regressing, sometimes rapidly.

>>50006666

...you have a very strange definition of 'win'. The Tyranids and Orks are the most likely to achieve their end goals (and, by some definitions, the Orks already have).

>>50006703
Nids have no goals aside from eating more. That which is never sated can never win.

>>50006711

Like I said, you have a REALLY weird definition of 'win'.

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>>50006703
40k is about as crapsack as it gets, but given some technological advancements the Tau could predict and/or redirect Ork and Tyranid invasions until they get to the point where they can glass planets and/or Hivefleets.

Tyranids and Orks outside of very rare situations basically function on instinct and don't develop tech or knowledge. Any force which does both will inevitably overcome them if said force lasts long enough to survive them.

I don't want to turn this into a HFY thread, but look at humanity in relation to the rest of the natural world: We sucked ass at everything outside of building tools, and surviving long enough to refine tools made humanity the winner of Earth.

The Tau are the only race not dying and currently developing new technology and skills.

>>50006734
Nah, I'm not him, just saying they have no end goal, just "eat more". At least the orks don't need to increase in numbers or mass to win, they win once the last ork dies, because then they got to fight the most. And the Beast books can go fuck themselves.

>>50006881
>The Tau are the only race not dying and currently developing new technology and skills.
The other races dont do that for very specific reasons. CHAOS.

Tau's fall is coming either through rouge AI or their human population attracting more attention then all their robots becoming demons. Thats if their Genestealer world doesnt attract a proper hive fleet their direction first. Tau are irrelevant to end game.

>>49995679
Imperium.

They're the coolest so they win.

>>49998109
You really think Deamons would do that?
Just write up a Codex and tell lies in it?

>>50006881

>if said force lasts long enough to survive them

That's a really, really big 'if', considering the reproductive process of both factions.

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>>50002987
>ol pious
>only
>no vulkan
you goofed son

The Harrowing

Chaos wins. The universe is rigged in their favor.

>>50002572
>He just raised his arm and shot something into the daemons.
Just as sigmarine could do with his bolter.

So if a hive fleet eats enough demons what happens?

>>50009244
Nothing demon have no matter to consume. Nids go full ranged when they fight demons in the fluff.

>>50006974
Just nuke 'em twice, best way to deal with tau

>>50004284
I don't really think any fans of 40k are in any position to call someone an edgelord.

Tau-C'tan alliance when?

>>50009288

Shadowbrink has Tyranids consuming daemons. It ended with the Tyranids dying as the daemon flesh mutated and tore them apart.

>>50009540
I dont remember that happening. I thought demons were made from the warp and disappear when 'killed'?

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We shalt drown them in the blood of a billion men.

And seek victory in the Emperor's name.

The Imperial Guard will take the imperium to inevitable victory.

>>50009564
Their dissolving bodies stay for a while.

>>50009594
Pretty sure the nids win on shadowbrink and drive the demons off? Am I miss remembering? Either way cool to note.

>>50009654

The Daemons could be eaten, but they do mutate the Tyranid flesh and mass to the point where Hauspexs were exploding and waves of guants died due to what they'd eaten.

Tyranids decided to cordon off the entire tear in reality and gobble up everything else before Chaos spoiled it whilst doing their best to adapt to the shennanigans of chaos. They view Daemons as a rival beast for the prey.

Slaanesh can't tempt the nids and Nurgle can be adapted against in bio warfare.

Khorne is weakened due to the lack of blood (apparently alien tyranid blood isn't as good as other blood) and Tzentch can't trick/decieve the nids.

Daemons are still powerful, but alot of their power comes from their interactions with mortals and open minds.

Eventually the Tyranids win the battle, but as for the war who knows since it shows the 4 big daemons want revenge

>>50009758
Thats good fluff. Both sides show their strengths and weaknesses and gives a solid fluffy reason for future battles.