What would you say has been your most underwhelming disappointing PC?

>>49993616
Nobody could have been more of a disappointment to their world than your pic related op. She accidental-ed thousands of years worth of wisdom of the previous avatars.

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>>49993616
The first time I played a monk in D&D 3.5, way back in 2005.
>Wow look at all the cool things monks can do!
LATER
>I can't do any of these things well enough for them to be useful.

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>>49993760
>wow anon, your character is really well balanced and nobody can hit him with an attack or spell or anything

>what else can he do?

>>49993616
Persephone, a female Cleric styled after a Plague Doctor for pathfinder society, I was attempting to be the strong silent type, she ended up being a living prop

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>>49993799
>W-well he uh
>He can do uh
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>>49993616
Played: a bard that was an Indiana Jones type, who had experience and connections with various factions that he had done field work for/with as an expedition leader. I was promised we would be doing various excursions into dungeons, but then we just kind of bummed around while the rest of the party built an airship and my PC's specializations went unutilized.

GM'd: one guy keeps making the exact same psychic/ninja/CIA agent. Literally the same character with the same name, just transplanted into three different games over the last year or so. I've talked to the guy about it before, and there's not really any fixing it beyond cutting him out--but that's also an overreaction.
I've gotten better at tricking him into RP situations, but if I don't blatantly give him something to do his character will literally just work out or be mysterious and nothing else. I can work around that, but his character should be a lot more connected to what's going on.

>>49993809
Society is a war games simulator, not really a platform for rp.

DMs get very little creative freedom, if one tries, they get reported by the table. Usually that means nothing but annoyance, but there's no reason to stick around if you're not appreciated.

Society is ass

>>49993616
My first one ever that I made when I was 14.
>Drow in a BESM campaign
>Edgy as fuck with no sense of humor
>Casted spells by shooting them from a gun

>>49993709
The disappointment to her world is nothing compared to her disappointment to me.

I loved her character design, and was really looking forward to her growth as a character, only to have all her worst personality traits becoming her sole defining ones. She went from a naive brat to a witless bitch, and the only modicum of fond feelings I have left for her are in the form of now intensely enjoying the porn of her getting fucked by men because I'm sure it upsets the hacks that ruined what could have been a great character.

>>49993760
>>49994428
>First game of proper D&D
>Make a monk because they're fun in cRPG's
>Level 1
>Suck
>Be a teenager
>New girlfriend also playing
>I wasn't the only that guy at that table, but I was definitely the biggest. I'm glad I can't remember anything about that character other than that he was a monk and punched the first quest giver he met in the face.

>>49993616
A friend of mine ran a campaign and I have to say that all 4 of the character's I've played have been disappointing.
>Elf Fighter
Used this guy for the first few sessions. He was utterly overshadowed in his role by another party member, and even his one moment of glory (Solo-ing a boss with three crits in a row) was quickly overtaken when the other guy crit a cavalry lance charge and one-shot the next boss.
>Tiefling Gunslinger
Sounded interesting and was fun to start with, until I realised how much investment you need on a gunslinger to make them not terrible. About three sessions after she got to the point of keeping up with the rest of the party in damage output the party's tank decided to run off during a fight and leave her to be ripped about by dogs because "it's what my character would do!". Still bitter about that.
>Elf swashbuckler
Using the Dervish Dancer Archetype she was awesome in a fight, and still had decent skills. High defence and massive damage boosts from class features put her as the party's main damage dealer. I only got to play her for four sessions until she was incinerated by a ghost because the GM had forgotten that you needed magic weapons to hurt ghosts, and he was running a low-magic campaign where there are no magic weapons.
>Half-elf Fighter
Built as a heavy tank using variant multi-class rules to get some magus class features, and thus can enchant her weapon with fancy effects, meaning she could shrug off most attacks, and still chew through groups of weaker enemies like they were paper. And I was particularly happy that I'd built a character who was very useful for once... for about two sessions, at which point another player joined, who essentially copy-pasted the most tanky build you can get from the internet, and now my character is once again overshadowed as she is neither the tankiest character, nor the most damaging.

>>49994624
I've never heard of anything good coming from a group that focuses entirely on numbers and efficiency
Even with good players who roleplay well, there's an inevitable undertone of competitive dickwaving that poisons the whole thing

>>49994688
None of us were especially good roleplayers, and since every conversation would ultimately come down to "roll a diplomacy check" we often didn't bother trying to roleplay much anyway.
In addition, since this was "generic fantasy world number 134234834327" roleplaying anything except a bland, generic, shining paragon of moral virtue who inexplicably holds a 21st century worldview was frowned upon by all npc's.

>>49994438
>enjoying the porn of her getting fucked by men because I'm sure it upsets the hacks that ruined what could have been a great character.

/co/ here

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>>49994438
that, exactly.

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>>49994438
That's pretty damn intense, but I agree. What could have been a good character ended up falling into the "strong female character" trap where there authors were more concerned about her being a badass than an actual character, so her worst traits became her most prominent ones and made the entire character feel juvenile and unlikeable.

I bring this up because it's exactly what happened with my most dissapointing PC ever. Me attempting to play a badass fighter, deciding on a whim to make her female because I had never played a female character before, and turning her into a total bitch because she was basically a male character I had gender-swapped at the last moment and then ruined even more by trying to make her "not like other female characters". I too had fallen into the "strong female character" trap instead of just making a GOOD character.

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James Abraham, spaceship pilot. Usually we just called him Jim.

A couple years ago, a friend approached me to fill in for a player who had dropped out of his sci-fi game (homebrew in both system and setting). I was super hype for my very first PnP game ever, having wanted to play one since highschool. It was a text-based game played over Skype, and the GM gave me some background fluff on the setting and extremely brief snippets of what the other players were playing.

The problem was that this was my very first RPing experience and the GM refused to let me look at any of the game's IC logs. So I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and going in blind. When it was finally time to play, the GM insisted on starting off by doing a solo bit to introduce my character. Just me and him. Again, no idea what I was doing. It was god damn terrifying, but thankfully I knew all but one of the people there.

I tried basing Jim off Jason Statham, but he had terrible physical stats and I couldn't pull off the accent over text, so he just ended up a bald, stubbly generic space dude. The game itself was a shitfest anyways, between an endless dungeon and a revolving door of players (one of whom 'forgot' about game sessions for three or four months in a row). We ended up rebooting the game with the three other consistent players, and I rolled up a new character who ended up being my favourite ever.

Legend of Korra and Korra herself weren't that bad, in fact they were pretty good.
Get over yourselves, you guys.

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>>49995571
>Having taste this bad.

OK, to be 100% fair, no, the series wasn't "that bad". The problem is that it was the follow up to a series that was AMAZING, and the main reason this one WASN'T amazing was in large part due to having such an awful main character.

Legend of Korra would have been a better show if literally any other character in the show had been the Avatar instead of her.

I tried to build Don Quixote for a horror campaign in 3.5. Unfortunately, the rules for mounted combat are few and far between, often xontradictory, and usually incomprehensible.
It was just so disappointing to be playing a bastion of optimism and virtue doomed to a life of narrow hallways and shoddy rules.

>>49995571

The show was basically to AtLA what the Star Wars Prequels were to the OT.

Don't get me wrong, Korra is way more watchable than the Prequels and I acknowledge a lot of the show's problems were because of things outside Bryke's control.

But Korra was unbearably obnoxious by the end, mostly because she didn't change at all. Yet everyone still dogpiled on her to congratulate how awesome she was at the finale even though she was a mediocre Avatar at best and a colossal fuckup at the end.

Plus the whole Vaatu/Raava thing, while working great as a standalone episode, was show's equivalent to midichlorians. A hackneyed retcon written solely to explain something which never needed to be spelled out.

And of course the whole surprise lesbians ending which Bryan explicitly stated he threw in at the last minute because he wanted to make a statement.

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>>49995603
>Legend of Korra would have been a better show if literally any other character in the show had been the Avatar instead.
Replace "Avatar" with "Main Character" and this is how I feel about most "shonen"-styled stuff, whether it's actually shonen or not.

>>49995633
But Korra was unbearably obnoxious by the end, mostly because she didn't change at all.
Yeah, the writers kinda fucked every chance she had.

Season 1: Korra loses her powers at the end, and despite still being a bender (which poor normal humans can't do) for one of the rarest elements in the setting, she cries about it and gets her powers back because plot conveniance. Fuck making our character experience any real loss or having to cope with anything.

Season 2: Wan had more character development in 2 episodes of flashback than Korra did in the entire season, was more interesting, and had more character development.

Season 3: Somehow this season actually wasn't horrible. Then again it was the season in which Korra was the most impotent and less important and mainly focused on other characters. Coincidence that it was the best season?

Season 4: Well, at least Kuuvira was cool. Korra just ends up god-mode'ing at the end for no real reason though, and "solves" what was actually a legitimate world view that Kuuvira had by using brute force.
Like this honestly confuses the hell out of me. They go out of their way to show how shitty things were in the Earth Kingdom under the last queen, how people are starving and stuff. Kuuvira comes in and modernizes/industrializes the country and brings authority and is wildly popular amongst her people. Then Kuuvira is somehow the bad guy for taking back land that belonged to her country in the first place (keep in mind she NEVER threatened to invade other countries, ever) and pulling her country out of the shitter. But Authority=Bad and God-Mode Avatar Morals=Good. Fuck hard leadership decisions or legitimate politics/compromise. Korra is right because Korra.

>>49993616
My character died towards the end of a campaign and the new character I made never really got the time to have any interesting roleplay moments. Right after she was introduced we entered the final combat gauntlet before facing the BBEG, so she was pretty much only there for two sessions of fighting.
If we ever revisit that world I'd love to actually do something with the character.

>>49994438
I recently rewatched all of ATLA and it just blows me away how much better that show is than LOK. It's plain silly how much the quality of the writing dropped for the latter series.

>>49994438
>tfw greatly enjoy korra porn
>tfw can't stand to finish even season one of the cartoon

>>49996033
It really feels like they were just fucked over somehow. From what I've heard, they actually had three seasons planned but only were able to air the first one and had to fuck over the ending because of it. The remaining seasons were cobbled together from leftover ideas and just didn't go over that well. Could have gone better.

>>49996157
It would've been better if we only got a first season that ended in a massive cliffhanger, than three mostly disconected seasons with one final season that sorta related to the one before.
Korra legitimately feels like it's written a season at the time with no regard to what's going to happen next or what's happened before.

>>49993616
FFRPG campaign in a massive guild setting with multiple GMs. I made a blue mage with gloves (lowest die weapons) and advantages/disadvantages to give him double attack. The idea? Blue Magic using monk.

The effect? A Blue Mage that was dying for better spells, did middling physical damage, and basically was a disappointment to me.

He had some status spells, so that helped a little, but still.

In a later campaign, I made a Blue Mage that focused on the magical aspects, and the GM allowed me to learn spells to play both a damage dealer and pseudo-healer. The end result was a very calm, demon-murdering Batman who had a spell for nearly every situation.

>>49994438
I secretly enjoyed the parts where the sliver spoon bitch of an avatar realized that being the avatar didn't mean she was the strongest.
and all the damn parade fanfare about the ending, you couldn't turn anywhere without spotting it somehow for a few months.

>>49993616
Dark Heresy 2
Shrineworld Priest with a background that I had so much fun writing up from how he was just a womanizer of within the Ministorum to becoming a zealot (and a womanizer).
armed hand-flamer that allowed the lvl1-2 party and NPC (whom became a party favorite) to escape Plasma Gun cultists (and two Chaos Marines).

However, the next session I couldn't RP at all since I had to come online an hour late, and I couldn't get a word in edgewise for the Whole Session, because the one guy couldn't stop talking (and interrupting only me) which got the others to start talking, only for him to start talking again and the cycle continued.

Then the next session was a combat one and the campaign was scrapped because of RL.

I plan on bringing him back as a pop-in NPC (or GMPC depending on details).

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>>49996493
>I secretly enjoyed the parts where the sliver spoon bitch of an avatar realized that being the avatar didn't mean she was the strongest.

This would have been great if the writers actually followed through on ANY of it. Instead Korra kept magically upping her power level to be the strongest again. Often times with no hard work or actual effort, just crying about it until the plot dropped it in her lap.

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>>49993616

I've yet to play a PC that didn't underwhelm and disappoint me. They're all bland as shit characters that look fine on paper but lose all character when I try to roleplay them. I just can't seem to get into character no matter what I do.

A Crusader Vampire that only lasted a session due to botched roll while looking for a bar

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>>49996612
>They're all bland as shit characters that look fine on paper but lose all character when I try to roleplay them.
I know that feel

>>49993616
DM pitched a campaign as a Planescape-inspired planar romp.
My character was something of a planar guide, a mix of rogue and wizard specialized in divination spells for mapping and so on.
Campaign turned out to be a dungeon crawl, with over-leveled monsters to keep on par with the two power players of the party. My contributions to the game consisted of a single spell for an overland map, and being bullied by the Str 50 Cleric for not contributing in combat.
That campaign soured me on 3.5, it was the last time I played it.

>>49993616
My first character. An elf ranger who tried to be legolas and failed at everything, the first session was a short dungeon crawl and I couldn't land a single arrow.
His most defining trait was that he was the brother of another PC in the party, a cleric. But I forget almost everything about him, I was really unused to RPing. Met an untimely death when trying to shoot a necromancer but getting AoO-crushed by a skeleton minotaur who was nearby. The party then buried him in the woods, and not even his brother mourned him for long.

>>49994428
>>Casted spells by shooting them from a gun
I like this idea though

>>49993616
>>49996612
>>49996636

'member when you had to roll for stats, and characters that seemed bland or terrible on paper pushed you to make up for it with how you played them?

There's nothing wrong with point buy, that's not what I'm saying. But rolling for stats might help you avoid making characters that don't have real challenges or pitfalls to overcome, or have designed flaws that force you into an equally designed solution leaving the character a dry and lifeless reaction to its creation instead of an active pursuer in better itself or succeeding in spite of its shortcomings.

Or just fucking dying. That happens a lot more with rolled up characters until you get into the habit of being cautious, planning shit out, using lateral thinking etc.

>>49995772
People forget that the Avatar is a mechanism for Status Quo

They aren't necessarily the hero

Korra, in this case, was championing the changes ushered in by Aang, the previous Avatar, who thought the best way to fix things was to unite all the nations and divy up land.

Which is high minded, well meaning, and incredibly naive. Which fits Aangs personality to a T so I suppose it works.

>>49995772
Kuuvira wasn't a saint. Its alluded at that she created Gulag and Reeducation camps. She kinda went North Korea. But yeah Korra was shit.

>>49997039
>>49995772

Legend of Korra:

Season 1: People without bending powers want to equalize the playing field, get thrashed apart by the people in power and their Avatar champion.

Season 2: The regular people live scared for their lives in walled cities while the people with magic powers started wars. At least Wan tried to stop it instead of being their tool like Korra was.

Season 3: People with magic still think the Avatar's god-mode powers are a mistake and try to erase the Avatar cycle, benefitting the normal people. They get crushed by the people in power and their avatar champion.

Season 4: Both bender and normie alike get oppressed by the people with power and authority. They try to fight back and get crushed by the people with power and authority and their avatar champion.


Pretty sure the Avatar is an avatar of Lawful Evil here. The "balance" they bring always seems to oppress the people who have no power of their own, while benefiting (most of) the people who are already in power. Wan was the only good Avatar. All the others just bring stagnation and forced "peace" which is more less "now that I've crawled on your back, please stay still or I'll wreck all your shit."

>>49997090
Wan was a dickhead. Just being poor does not entitle you to aid from the rich.

>>49995633
To be fair AtLA had it own fair share of problems even if they were far less catastrophic than LoK's.
>most of the first season was pretty weak
>3rd season's finale

>>49997090
So Sozin did basically nothing wrong then?

>>49997025
It's a ripoff of animes. Which is cool shit anime, but still.

>>49993616
I made a character for a VtR game using VtM rules (I don't know), a man that was a coniving little shit, trying to act like an idiot in front of authority figures while trying to nest himself in a comfortable position to sit the next eternity out. Basically sunk most of my skill points in social stats, trying to be an expert manipulator.

However, the ST only noticed that I had put some points on Stealth and Firearms, so the game devolved in me being mediocre at shooting and sneaking about. All excitement was gone by session 4 and the game got the kiss of death when Cthulhu rose from the sea. I don't know why the latter happened, I didn't care to find out and neither did the rest of the players.

I usually keep character I want to play but the game dies out before starting proper. This one I deleted with the conviction of throwing away garbage.

>>49997172
It's arguable Sozin had good intentions, and really the whole problem was the previous avatar spouting muh balance and refusing to make change in the world. The problem of course was Sozin intended to improve the world by MILITARY FORCE, and his descendants took this and ran with it to full psychotic measure.

>>49993616
I think the tears of AtLA fans are a good trade for Korra porn, to be honest.

On topic, d&d wizard, 3.0 I think. If I didn't have an appropriate spell for the situation I was useless, but if I had an appropriate spell I immediately prevented any drama or excitement from happening. Fuck that system and fuck everyone involved in making it.

>>49995772
>Replace "Avatar" with "Main Character" and this is how I feel about most "shonen"-styled stuff, whether it's actually shonen or not.

this is so true it hurts...

> dragonball post cell would've been better they stuck to gohan as the main character

> yugioh's battle city arc would've been better if joey was the main character

> jojo part 3 would've been better if jotaro didn't exist & joseph was written more competently

...are there any that don't fall into this trap

>>49996549
if korra was a PC her player would be the DMs girlfriend or sister

she reads like a self insert in some teenage girl's fanfic and her player throws a tantrum & cries if something bad happens to her

>>49997037
So your solution to stagnant roleplaying is to reintroduce a system that resulted in nothing beyond endless rerolling of expendable unnamed characters until you get the stats you need for a caster or a useful fighter variant? No, I'll take dragon-blooded half-vampire drows everywhere over the days when we showed up to sessions with a stack of characters named Bob.

>>49997739
>most boring jojo is also the most popular

Guess that is the power of a Japanese student that kills vampires and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>49997958
To be fair, he works way better as a supporting character.

But yeah, welcome to Japan. They like all the boring cliche shit.
>Giorno is Japan's favorite JoJo

>>49997980
Giorno? How is Giorno boring and Cliche?

>>49997958
>>49997980

I like to think of him as being the jojo/shonen equivalent of Wolverine.

He's interesting when he's not the main character.

>>49997090

As much as I hate to say it, the non-magical people really weren't given a shit deal by society; if you recall, two non-benders played a significant role in that season and we often saw non-benders in prominent societal roles... While, at the same time, we saw numerous instances of poor, desperate benders who used their powers for crime or very basic factory work.

>>49994438
>>49996549

Meh, seasons 3 and 4 were pretty good, and even 1&2 had brightspots, but yeah, overall it was seriously mismanaged.

The character I played in a Tenra Bansho Zero game. She didn't have any combat skills at all because I didn't think they would be necessary. She could read minds but it ended up never being useful. Eventually I had to leave the game because I realized I was just making it less fun for everyone.

A bard who didn't play music and was instead a diplomat and dealmaker. They ended up being critical to the plot but I had to send them far away and use a different character often because in most situations they were useless.

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Muscle wizard half-orc
>Used mage armor instead of plate, get my shit pushed in regularly due to subpar AC
>Did shit unarmed damage, spell list subpar thanks to MCing
>Try to focus on grappling, everything either teleports or simply out-grapples me
>DM throws me a bone, gives me magic wand
>It fuses with my arm, turns it into a tentacle, speaks inside my head and occasionally takes over my body
>My PC freaks out and tries to remove it
>I think "oh shit it's character development time!"
>NPC cleric removes the item next session, no problem at all
>"...Oh...okay..."
>Later on end up in anti-magic city, half the party becomes worthless
>Finally give up on dumb character theme, put on a suit of armor and start carrying a real weapon
>End up on a ship in a 1v1 while at half health
>Get my shit pushed in despite the armor
>Only ally (sorcerer, can't cast in shit city) spends the fight in hiding, bails once the ship starts going down
>My PC fails his death saves and sinks to the bottom of the ocean for good measure
Welp

>>49997090

>Equalisers were the real good guys

This makes no sense to me. Do people just forget they were actual terrorists who blew up a stadium, forced benders to their knees to steel their powers, and straight up attacked the city with fighter planes?

>Zaheer was the real good guy.
Again, actual terrorist who murdered someone on screen just to upset the status quo. Best villain of the series but don't say he did nothing wrong.

>Kuvira was the real good guy
Hitler wannabe who went evil off screen and out everyone under a join or die ultimatum. Attacked Republic City with a death ray-wielding Jaeger.

Just because Korra was an idiot doesn't mean the people she fought were right.

>>49997128
Just being rich does not entitle you to deny it.

>>49999651

Equalizers had the advantage of appealing to viewers who thought non-benders were getting a real shit deal in the setting, and the season actually did a decent job making benders out to he bullies or naive privileged asshats.

By the time they started showing off successful non-benders were actually the majority and many benders (already a small portion of the population) turning to crime and exploitive factory work to survive most people just willfully tuned it out.

Just like an Equalizer, because if something goes against your narrative it can be waved away.

>>49999651
>>Kuvira was the real good guy
>Hitler wannabe who went evil off screen and out everyone under a join or die ultimatum. Attacked Republic City with a death ray-wielding Jaeger.
Eh, she had some decent motives for going evil. The Earth Kingdom was in utter chaos and she was terrified of chaos and valued "peace" at any cost. But they really did overclock her Hitlerness sadly, she could have been a bit more ambiguous.

>>49997090
She lost her purpose and never found it or questioned her own motives because, " well, I'm the Avatar so I have to be right."

I think that pissed me off more than anything in the series. Her "villians" had well constructed motives and ideals; genuinely working to the benefit of the people they were trying to represent, but Korra just sort of opposed them because she simply disagreed. This is made even worse in her case because she's the fucking Avatar and is suppose to be a mediator not the literal hand of god, so she just comes off as abusing her power to promote her own ideas or friends rather than benefiting the people of the world.

Even this wouldn't have been a bad story if she learned a fucking lesson, but the writers also seem to want to propagate her excellence for no other reason than she's the protagonist. So she isn't ever self aware that her actions cause more suffering than they solve, even when explicitly told so. And her only solution to every problem is simply to force her opposition with overwhelming physical violence to stop what they are doing. Leaving the main lesson of the series being "might makes right".

>>49999767

Her motivations were somewhat understandable but she was by no means a good guy. Especially since many of the places she "united" weren't interested and only acquiesced because she out a gun to their heads.

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>first time playing TTRPGs, doing it over IRC with some homebrewed fallout-esque system
>hot off of TF2 so I decide to be an uncreative fuckwit and just copypaste the medic almost wholesale, right down to trying to do the shitty accent in text
>it somehow works out, and I manage to make the character be more than just a cut and paste about midway through the game
>but I still can't roleplay for shit, party is so big that trying to get a word in edgewise to NPCs is like pissing in the wind
>even though none of the other PCs seem to hate me, I can't get any of them to meaningfully interact with my PC
>all responses boil down to "haha, thanks for patching me up doc, go take a shower you stink", "jeez doc, why are you throwing yourself into the enemy swinging a weapon like a depressed, suicidal animal? Must be some screws loose!", and "Hey doc, stop staring off into the sky with that sad look, we need to get moving!"
>somehow survive the entire campaign and have a grand finale, get to stab a giant mutant abomination that may or may not have been an occult star demon
>post-game epilogue everyone else is off being big bad heroes in the city we helped get going
>my PC has no reason to hang around besides "is the best doctor in a hundred mile radius", and is such a curmudgeonly middle aged shit that he managed to piss half the settlement off
>fucks off to go be a hermit, eventually goes senile and dies in a pile of letters to his dead wife
>mfw in the end my character had somehow managed to have next to no impact on the world, or any of the other PCs, despite trying during the whole 2-year long campaign
>mfw tons of loose plot threads and GM dropping hints for a sequel campaign which never happened, and even 4 years later I still think about it

>>49999815
To be fair might makes right is how the world goes 90% of the time.

>>49999725
>By the time they started showing off successful non-benders were actually the majority and many benders (already a small portion of the population) turning to crime and exploitive factory work to survive most people just willfully tuned it out
It was mostly because it didn't make sense, but not much in Korra did

>Make a character that really interests me for once; A dude back from war in his home country that just wants to leave the things he saw & person he became over there behind.
>Conflict comes from the fact he's a natural leader, and thus he can't abandon his past due to D&D having combat and him being forced to "lead" and keep this team of adventurers alive, just like his men.
>Mechanically, the character is a mess that somehow works. Very specialized, requiring a lot of resources going to specific feats and shit that pigeon hole him a bit, but he's great at what he does in-combat and has enough skills to not be useless. Not a CHA dump or anything.

Fast forward to the game.
>That special method of fighting he's supposed to be awesome at? Yeah, he fails every roll.
>Somehow the only target of enemy attacks AND hit by other PCs all the time, so he's constantly bleeding out. HP was not his strong suit.
>The one time he had to go one-on-one with an enemy, he died.
>By this point, no one in the group takes him seriously. The fucking Wizard has hit more things than him, despite his bonuses.

I just gave up caring about characters after that.

>>49993616
WoD Tremere focused on Auspex and divination. At the chargen I discussed with the ST if this is a viable path to take and was given an affirmative. Encouragement even. When the game unfolded, every time I tried to play my forte the response was either useless cryptic bullshit, passing out because "the sensation overwhelms you" or being scolded for stalling the game.

Ironically the next WoD game with the same ST, I rolled religious nutjob Malkavian and through his Derangement I've been getting genuinely helpful advice, guidance and revelations constantly.

>>49993616
Most of my underwhelming PC's came from me having previous character ideas, but not rolling the right combos for new characters.
Eg: I'd planned a hot-headed, ex-farm wife, magic-hating Paladin-esque Fighter who was out to find her stolen children (taken by a demon horde that destroyed her village and killed her hubby).
Ended up rolling a male Paladin that just didnt fit my idea, so couldnt' get my head around how to develop them further.

>>49999651
I don't think anyone is saying they were in the right 100% all the time. But they did have thought out philosophies and often legitimate grievances. But rather than address that, the show had the 100% right dindu nuffin protagonist punch them in the face.

>>49999970
Tried making a pacifist once. Didn't even get through 1 session before he had to kill something to survive.

>>50000208
You should've went all in and died for your beliefs

>>49999970
You would've made an excellent 4e lazylord

>>49999815
>I think that pissed me off more than anything in the series. Her "villians" had well constructed motives and ideals; genuinely working to the benefit of the people they were trying to represent, but Korra just sort of opposed them because she simply disagreed. This is made even worse in her case because she's the fucking Avatar and is suppose to be a mediator not the literal hand of god, so she just comes off as abusing her power to promote her own ideas or friends rather than benefiting the people of the world.
>Even this wouldn't have been a bad story if she learned a fucking lesson, but the writers also seem to want to propagate her excellence for no other reason than she's the protagonist. So she isn't ever self aware that her actions cause more suffering than they solve, even when explicitly told so. And her only solution to every problem is simply to force her opposition with overwhelming physical violence to stop what they are doing. Leaving the main lesson of the series being "might makes right".
She generally only ended up involved in events AFTER things had already turned to violence for various reasons. Like arriving in the city as the equalists were already planning their takeover, or her uncle trying to summon SUPER FUCKING KITE SATAN after tricking her into working with him, or the Terrorists who were already violent before she was born breaking out of prison. Or Kuvira going nuts and rising to power while she was in the midst of a PTSD breakdown.

>>50000310
The build was based on DSP's Golden Lion maneuver set, which is essentially the 4E Warlord cranked up to 11.

>>50000366
Apparently not enough though. A lazylord never rolls to hit, which seems to have been your weak point

>>50000412
I think I played the character for like, 10 sessions.

Besides, I want to hit things. Hitting things is fun. Just not when you never actually succeed.

>>50000466
You might be surprised how much fun telling people to hit things is. Also nice double doubles

>>49999725
given how much society in the show depended on bending for utilities & public works the equalists were stupid and would've set everyone back to the dark ages had they succeeded

amon should have just been tarlok using the equalist movement to gain power

>>50000516
>amon should have just been tarlok using the equalist movement to gain power
That wouldn't have made anything better. It might actually be worse than what they did do

>>49997090
>>49997039
Christ, fuck off to your own thread

a monk

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>>49999658
>Just being rich does not entitle you to deny it.

what

>owning more stuff due to hard work/being smarter/luckier than other people does not entitle you to decide what to do with your owned stuff

Why are all Marxists blithering mongoloids?

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>>49997037

I already roll for my stats and have had characters die before.

The problem is that whenever I play a character it feels more like I'm playing a vidya protagonist than an actual three dimensional character. It's just a tool for interacting with the world instead of something I can grow attached to.

It's not writing the character that I have a problem with. It's bringing it to life.

I guess the only upside is that I've never uttered the phrase "It's what my character would do"

>>50000992
because marxism is based on the assumption that the person next to you is your best friend and not when their not, they act like they've been betrayed because in their warped logic, they have been, but since they are so far out of touch with everyday life, they believe they are the norm.

>>50000992
Aaaaaand this kind of retarded rhetoric is why transportations, education, and medecine are shit in the US.

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>>50001455
>Aaaaaand this kind of retarded rhetoric is why transportations, education, and medecine are shit in the US.

Right. In comparison to the China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam and North Korea are superb countries to live in.

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>>49993616
Probably the Gnome Alchemist I made for my first game of Pathfinder. Back then I was even more shit than I am now: creeped on a girl who was dating another player at the table, new group of people I'd never met before, played my character as a bomb throwing CN murderhobo whose introduction to the party was to throw a bomb at them and hi backstory is that he was from the moon.

The good news is that I never attended another session and the DM of that session (after a few years) no longer hates me and is actually now a friend of mine. Also me being a shitty player inspired him to make the rest of the campaign's plot "retarded evil gnomes from the moon are threatening the planet".

>>50001767
>retarded evil gnomes from the moon are threatening the planet
Isn't that the plot of Halo?

>>49993760
I made a rogue with 11 bluff at level 1 in 3.5 and he still fucking sucked because of bad rolls. I never realized how much of a "save or suck" game 3.5 was until that.

>>49999838
I feel like my current character (a former alchemy professor that went a little loony after doing the Crawford Tillinghast experiment) is starting to go down this route. Started off fine but then we added another person to the group and I can't seem to get a word in edgewise. Last session I could've been absent entirely and I'm fairly sure nothing would've changed at all.

Can we at least admit Korra is a qt?

>>50003435
Purely based on her looks she's a 10, too bad her personality puts her down to a 5.

>>50003761
More like a 3, I would say a 8 if she was at least quiet.

10/10 body though, I only wish she couldn't talk.

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I had a warlock in 5e that recently died, and he was my favorite character I've ever made. So for shits and giggles I made a pally whose only significant features were 1) he hates people who use ranged weapons when there's an opportunity to use melee ones instead, and 2) he's looking for his missing nephew.

Then I realized that this was a really boring character who was only interesting for 5 minutes and couldn't even have the degree of character development I wanted (I have a massive hunger/fetish for character development), so the DM let me retire him to an NPC who went off to wander the world in search of his nephew. I stole pic related as a third character, and the DM suggested a superman backstory.

Am I That Guy /tg/?

>>50003761
I suppose that explains why 90% of the porn involving her has her as a prisoner or slave.

>>49994438
That about sums it up. What really gets me is that I was sick of Korra in season 2, but I kept watching. I just kept coming back like a battered housewife because "this time it'll be different".

>>50003761
>>50003815
>female character has a personality other than generic moeblob waifu
>oh my god, she's the fucking worst, horrible personality
Typical immature shitlords scared of even remotely realistic women

>>50004674
>Imply that an entitled, bullheaded, bitchy idiot who never learns her lessons isn't a disgusting personality
If that's realistic, I'll take living in fantasy.

>>49996157
They had one season, they wrote it to be a self-contained mini series style thing, but as writers they had no experience in doing so, and it certainly didn't help that all the supporting writers (i.e. the good ones) were not on staff. It was just the show creators and they apparently suffered from Lucas syndrome.

Nick then ordered another season halfway through the first season's airing, and then two more at the end of season 2's production. This is why only seasons 3 & 4 feed into each other, and probably why it's the only time Korra has any kind of character growth, as poorly handled as it was. Writing and ratings still sucked shit and nick eventually shoved it onto an online only medium and stopped advertising it, pretty much just waiting for it to die

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>>50004674
She was a little too realistic for a sheltered, entitled feeling teenager at first, but she also didn't grow.
>>50004800
Yeah, they were not experienced with the pacing of a miniseries, and really couldn't manage character growth and natural motivations in such a tiny timespan so everyone was a selfish schizo.

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>>50004856
Their character designer really was amazing though. Even this goddamn chain arm addon in one sequence and a few nightmares.

>>50004887
I think the creators were the character designers. Ideas and visuals are really their strengths, it's just they can't write a decent plot or character arc on their own.

>>49993616
A cleric who died in a TPK after 2 sessions
Didn't really have time to do anything with him

KORRA IS LESBIAN
WOW
SO AMAZE

*slow clap*
Fail harder much, LOK?
What were you trying to prove?

>>49993616
Most of my disappointing characters are ones that have a gimmick of some sort (like a tech-priest being a greaser mechanic instead of a cold intellectual), but the GM never putting me in a situation where his personality traits can shine.

>>50005064
Honestly, I think their plot and character arcs in Avatar were mostly fine. IMO it's their attempts at romance arcs and "subversive" plot twists that are awful. And since Korra was founded on the idea of subverting a lot of our expectations from Avatar, it was on shaky ground to begin with.

>>50005197
ikr?

>>49993616
A Valor Bard I'm currently played in a PotA game.
Built him with a heavy emphasis on deception, illusions and really just to talk his way out of all kinds of problems. Constantly bluffing and trying to confuse the enemy. But since the campaign had already hit level 5, the tone wasn't fit for that kind of game. So It ended up being an useless bard, because I suck at coming up with decent builds. Currently building him up again with some help from the DM.

>>50003435
nah, Katara was much qter

>>49994438
>enjoying the porn of her getting fucked by men because I'm sure it upsets the hacks that ruined what could have been a great character.

I haven't seen more than season 1, but it kinda just sounds like you're just angry the bisexual chick chose a girl.

>>49993616
I once had a character that was intended to be a werewolf, but the GM said no to lycanthropy so I just dropped that part of his story and tried to soldier on. Well it turns out I didn't like being a bard in a party where there was no need for a backup face or caster or even a ranged guy, and he was such a bland character the only thing that ever stood out about him was that he wore a hat.

And I can't say they've ever been disappointing, but I find it weird how I often end up making characters with mental traumas of some sort. I'm not experienced enough with psychology to actually try and put a name to their problems, but it really makes a character feel real more then 'they had a rough life and now they're an adventurer.'

>>50001536
Cuba has very good medicine except that no one but the USSR and Venezuela were willing to sell to them.

>>50006523

>The board that can't stop talking about men "conquering" women of any race or dimensional origin
>They get angry when it's a woman lusting after a man, or a woman loving after a woman

Ironic, isn't it?

>>50006523
The problem with Korra and Asami as a pair is that they have two full seasons hating each other over bullshit involving a discount Zuko, one season tolerating each other, and then suddenly growing close off-screen inbetween seasons and hardly sharing any screentime in season 4 before revealing they're in love. I don't care that Korra is a dyke. LoK is just written so appallingly bad you end up hating all their half-hearted attempts at romance.
At least in ATLA the romance with Aang and Katara was built up from early in season 1 and always felt natural.

>>49993616
I guess not "underwhelming" because he lasted for a while, but I kinda lost control of the original vision for my character.

It was VtM, my first ever campaign of the game. I was a Ventrue, but a fairly meek one. All I really wanted to do was study and be a sort of vampire academic. I always tried to solve things diplomatically and equitably.

There was a girl in our group who was a Brujah. Very aggressive, always butted heads with me and tried to muck up my plans. One night, after a long adventure we found ourselves in a mortal bar negotiating with a contact. She hadn't drunk in a while, and the contact was being very obnoxious. She had to keep making frenzy rolls, and eventually, she failed.

Extremely worried that she would unleash chaos in the nightclub and ruin my plans, I gave her the only thing I thought would calm her down: blood. My blood, actually.

The DM informed me that she was now one stage bonded to me. I accidentally enslaved my own teammate. I apologized profusely and swore I would never abuse this power, but as the campaign went on it became remarkably convenient. Her willpower was garbage, so I could basically order her to do anything I wanted. I no longer had to worry about her messing up any of my diplomatic strategies, and since she was the best physical fighter, I always had a bodyguard. Even when I did things the rest of the party disapproved of, I could just threaten to have the Brujah attack them and they would step down.

I didn't MEAN to, it just... worked better, you know? I still swore up and down that I wasn't an evil Ventrue, but I kinda had to give that up when I literally made the Brujah start sobbing as she failed a roll to resist my order to crush a child's head, because his father had betrayed me and stolen money that I was going to use to pay off a rival gang of werewolves.

>>50006523
You probably should watch more than season one before you opine again, because her bisexuality is perhaps one of the most contrived developments in an already contrived series.

Even if you are one of those liberals who loves being pandered to, you'd have to recognize how clumsily the whole thing was done and how several characters basically had to turn off their brains and change personalities in order to enable it to happen.

It's also incredibly frigid, with not even a hint of passion between the two and still more sexual tension between them and Mako even after Mako became gay.

>>50006545
Wow, you probably should never post again.

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>>50006649
Wait, Mako turned gay? I don't remember that development at all, but admittedly anything related to him was stifled by half the internet going "OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD KORRA'S A LEEEESBIAAAAAAAAAAN!"

>>50006695
He turned down the opportunity to fuck Korra's brains out in order to focus on his job.

ie. gay.

>>50006695
I can't recall him showing any attraction to anyone in season 4. Seemed more asexual to me.

>>50006712
Given how much drama was between them I'd have done the same.

>>50006677

You're right, I'll just go into a thread about how Humanity seeks to fuck aliens with a distinct masculine spin to the descriptions, or a succubus needing a hard Paladin dick, or Elven girls only really want a hard Orc dick deep inside them.

>>50006722
99% of Korra's problems can be attributed to Mako not giving her a good fucking when she needed one.

All the drama, all the pent-up agression, all the instability and mood-swings, it all comes down to Korra feeling confused and desperate for someone to want her for all that she is aside from being the avatar.

And, aside from being the avatar, she is essentially an idealized fucktoy with the smarts and temperament of a toy poodle.

>>50006752
Stop trying to judge /tg/ by its worst members.

>>50006695
I've heard nothing about that either.

Honestly the romance in Korra was so fucking ham fisted Korrasami is literally the best option.

Mako: generic teenage heartthrob, has virtually zero flaws, and the ones he does have are always justified with a stupid excuse. Basically a male Korra.

Bo Lin: let's face it, Bo Lin was useless. He did NOTHING except be a romantic foil for Mako and comic relief from seasons 2-4. If you ever find it in yourself to rewatch the series, count how many episodes either forget Bo Lin entirely, or feature him doing something completely meaningless to the plot. It's a lot.

Asami, at least had a significant amount of growth and character development in every season of the show. She was complicated and dynamic, as was her relationship with Korra. They were romantic rivals, then sympathetic friends, then gradually best friends.

The only thing that they seriously failed with--which I'd be willing to chalk up to both bad writing and meddling by producers--was they totally failed to give the romance a reason to exist. LOTS of girls have friendships as close or closer than Korra and Asami. WHY did these two decide to hook up? Where's the lead up? Where's the awkward transition of asking your best friend out on a date? Stop burying all this bullshit under subtext and making us guess at their intentions. Pussy footing around the issue just makes it look desperate and forced.

>>50006764
Mako was also railing Asami at the time when he first met Korra. I'd rather keep fucking the 9/10 sugar mama than switch to the 10/10 demigod with 10 000 old dudes in her head.

>>50006838
Bolin's development after season 1 is one of the tragedies of LoK. In season 1 he was the biggest bro out of all the characters and the best potential love interest for Korra, then they spent the next two seasons trying their best to make him the shittiest character in the series. I'd still say he's a better character than Korra and Mako.

>>50006916
He was barely a character at that point, just a bargain bin Sokka with none of the charm nor the character arc.

>>50005064

The better episodes were the ones written by Mike D'Martino because he clearly enjoys the emotionally tense stuff (iirc the season 1 finale was his favorite part if AtLA). Bryan, the other co creator, loves the cheesier teen romance stuff, which he's good at but if no one is around to critique him then he will make it a tumor like it was in Korra.

>>50006838

>Asami, at least had a significant amount of growth and character development in every season of the show. She was complicated and dynamic, as was her relationship with Korra. They were romantic rivals, then sympathetic friends, then gradually best friends.

Trying to say Asami even had a shred of humanity to her is a joke.

She's a plot tool, and was one all the way from start to finish. Her motivations typically are "what the plot needs me for" and she was basically just there to serve functions, most of them involving her being "the other girl" or simply "the rich girl." Her relationship with her father was in particular a bit of gag-worthy attempt to slap on some humanity on to her frame, only to somehow strip more of it away.

>then sympathetic friends, then gradually best friends.

There was nothing shown except an awkward car ride that might have shown that they had any reason not to dislike each other, but the ultimate chemistry was "Wow, you and I are both young and girls and we have troubles wow so much in common."

Ultimately, I prefer to go with the Death-of-the-Author approach, where it makes sense to disregard anything outside of the series itself. And, within the series, there's really only a single best option, and that is that everyone winds up separate and alone for a decade or so until they mature enough to stop being such inherently unlikable people.

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>>50006523
>>50006649
I have a love hate relationship with LoK, I like how things kinda of rolled out and advanced, I don't like some of the missed steps. We don't see the budding romance between Asami and Korra, no that happens through letters and the implied time Asmai spent taking care of a crippled Korra.
The same with nearly every major character development, we don't get to see the actual change, just an implied hand wave one. I think they realy shot themselves in the foot by trying to have so much time pass; in Last Air Bender it took place over a little more than a year. Two at the extreme most. Korra passes over some 5+ years with a nearly three year gap between season 3 and 4.
We as the audience miss out on a lot of things and are left with the most barren and trope love triangle, enemies who's motivations seem, skewed at best and ill-thought out at worst (mostly the season three Red Lotus guys, that whole thing really needed some expanding upon)
In short, it felt oddly rushed starting with the deus ex machia used to resolve the season one issues (a literal spirit from the past and a hand wave). All the character growth is either unseen, unnatural or forced to bend to some odd meta that, again, we can't see.

And that's the single worst thing one can do as a story teller, keep your audience out of the loop.

>>50007172
>bend to some odd meta that, again, we can't see.

Going for SJW brownie points is preeeeetty obvious.

>>50007205
No, I just like to play LoK characters on Flist.

>>50007205

From what I understand it was literally just Bryan pushing for it at the end, and they went with it for the same reasons no one told George Lucas Jar Jar was a horrible idea.

>>50007205
Personally I view it more as an attempt by the creators to shield themselves with using "ur only hate it because it has lesbians and u'r a biggot" than pandering.

>>50007285
These are some truly dark times.

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>>5000724
Whatever the reason, they should have built it p SOMEHOW, Asami is barely in the first half of season 4.
The whole thing of them having moved from friends to potential lovers was glossed over hardcore. One line from Asami "Korra wrote to me." is all we get to suppose that somehow while Korra was off going crazy from blood poisoning they moved to the realm of love.

Must have been some steamy letters.

>>50006545
samefagging to agree with yourself is the worst form of bad

>>50007247
>tfw had lucas had had his way back then han would had been a fucking space frog that shot last instead of what he was

Lucas is pretty much the perfect example why you should never let a "legendary director" surround himself with yesmen.

>>50007302

EA pioneered the trend with Bioware.

>>50007326

Abrams is basically the same way, but since he's got that magic yarmulke it's "improper" to denounce the "rerun king."

>>50007333
Bioware was never good desu so they going full pander mode was no real loss.

>>50007368

Bioware was a good niche company that died in a dramatic way following their acquisition by EA.

They were never good but they were never bad either, they're like the sensitive artsy guy from high school that went on to sell custom poetry in Portland while living out of some hipster-gay commune.

>>50007285
>>50007302
In a way I don't blame them, LoK was already catching a lot of flak from fans, the ratings had been dropping to shit, for its last season Nick bumped the show off the air and into internet-exclusivity. Things were fucking dire.

It might have been a last minute pandering cop-out move, but it might have saved their careers.

>>50007434
As the pendulum swings back though, they're going to have a hard time doing anything except small projects.

>>50006645
That's some of the best natural character development for a vampire I've ever seen.
I would've loved to play with you.

>>50007434
Eh, there were decent enough hints in s3-s4 it certainly wasn't a turbo passionate affair but they both seemed to have simmered down from their "Stupid teen romance stuff" to something a little more subdued and closer to an "improved friendship."

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>>50006645
And that is why vampires are bad people. It's just so easy to be.

>>50006838
>Asami, at least had a significant amount of growth and character development in every season of the show.
The story literally forgot about her at the end of season 1 and she spent season 2 getting played by a Tony Stark impersonator and still chasing after Mako's dick just to be rejected again. Her entire subplot turned out to be meaningless anyway. I honestly can't remember if she did anything at all in season 3 and I never watched 4

>>50006645
Sometimes our characters develop in glorious ways we could never have predicted.

>>50007172
>that's the single worst thing one can do as a story teller, keep your audience out of the loop.

Gotta agree with you there but I think it is fine to have the audience be out of the loop so long as you manage to slowly get them back up to speed. LoK failed in this regard while the show Young Justice managed to have a 5 year timeskip from the first to second season with some character dynamics changing greatly and managed to stay engaging because from the first episode of season 2 we are slowly being given little bits of info on what happened during those 5 years while the plot still continues forward.

>>49993760
Last Pathfinder character I played was a dude who used a Lucerne hammer and flew around on a giant eagle.

For the two campaigns we played, I got punked by a bubble surrounding our pirate ship, my mount got shrunken to the size of a parrot, I got blown out of the sky by a djinn, driven insane by our party's chaos mage, and never rolled anything higher than an 8.

The only highlight I can recall was doing a flyby against a pirate on another ship and knocking him out of a crow's nest, which is the saddest I've ever performed, even when I played shitty character builds that couldn't do anything.

>>49997155
AtLA's first season was meh but at the same time, it was still pretty good since it set up a lot of shit that ended up becoming important in later seasons.

And the Lion-Turtle thing was an asspull but honestly, there really wasn't a better way to have Aang take out the fire lord without either betraying his views or getting killed in the process of not killing the firelord.

But with that shit in mind, I'll take a meh season and a shakey ending over Korra erasing 1000 years of wisdom accidentally, among other bullshit that made me drop the show.

>>50008394
Granted, for some things you do need to keep the audience out of the loop, mostly with any sort of surprise. And I like when it's pulled off like in your Young Justice example.
But for drama it usually does not work, even more so as the show seemed to have issues, Nickelodeon had not even committed to more than just the first season which is why it seemed a little stunted and forced.

Use of time as a way to move the plot forward can be done well, but LoK didn't they used it more as an excuse to wash away a few of the things that had been done in season 2-3 and bring the main cast back to a more 'starting point' character wise.
True, they'd mostly all started careers and what not but they'd been reset into their starting stereotypes.

Except for Korra, who was just used as some odd 'post traumatic stress is bad' thing. Which even might have been fine if she'd had not come across yet another deus Ex machina to point her back to the direction of the plot/sanity. So for her she was blasted from being a one dimensional hothead to being one dimensional action 'life-weary action hero version 12778'

>>50008780
And THAT was the single thing that pissed me off the most; her utter thickheaded methods removing a 1000 lifetimes. Having her be so cavalier with her avatar-ness was a contrast to Aang, but they went way too far with it. She was an overgrown child the entire series, even when she did get some sense poisoned into her ti did little but make her an indecisive world weary child who needed to be forced into making a decision. Granted once made she went all out . . . . . I don't know, the attempt do add a dimension to her after three seasons of paper cut out 'stronk woman.(with odd Dawson's Creek spices) bam biff pow' came off as very forced.

>>49997739
>...are there any that don't fall into this trap

I can't recall too many atm since it's late but I do remember Zatch Bell having an interesting protagonist.

Then again, that whole show was great when I saw it on Toonami a few years ago.

>>50008780
>But with that shit in mind, I'll take a meh season and a shakey ending over Korra erasing 1000 years of wisdom accidentally
Dude, Unaloq did the erasing. Why does everyone gloss over the fact her asshole uncle tentacle raped her past lives out of her?

>>50004674
Just because it's "realistic" doesn't make it good.

I mean fuck, the only reason why most cunts get laid is because they're either gorgeous or fucking guys with little to no standards.

>>50008896
>Dude, Unaloq did the erasing. Why does everyone gloss over the fact her asshole uncle tentacle raped her past lives out of her?

Because she allowed it to happen, that's why.

>>50008896
After the more or less let him take power over the southern water tribe. He was a bad smooth talker that everyone else was suspicious of yet she defended even helped him.

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One particular sore point for me was how they handled the spirits, I wanted a full blown war with them Kamigawa-style.
And instead we got muh dark avatar bullshit.

>>50004887
What's wrong with the chain arm?

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>>50006645
>>50006645
She sounds like a pussy ass vampire then.

>>49993616
That I played? The one time I chose to play a woman. I never knew what to do, never really felt any connection to the character, couldn't figure out what my personality was and couldn't really role play at all. It was super boring and I have never done it since.

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>>50009441
I find this pretty interesting. When I first played a female character, it was a relief: on some level, every male character had been a self-insert, or at least I had been afraid of being judged by it, so they always ended up fairly the same - strong-willed, serious dudes. It sounds stupid, but I've had groups that just assume my characters are pretty much me. And on some level, a wimp or a klutz doesn't sound fun to play.

Playing a female, I finally got to get away from that. I got to have more fun with a female character than I usually do with a guy. Most of the time people assume that it's what I like in a girl, and it's harder to feel judged for liking tomboys or bullies or shy shut-ins, and I feel like I can make a real character out of their flaws, where with a guy they'd be just weak attempts at variation.

What I have had what you're describing happen to me: it just only happened when I went beyond humans or elves or dwarves. Part of me just can't wrap my head around a dragonborn or anything like that, so if I do end up playing such a character I just end up not caring, throwing my hands up to keep the story moving so I don't have to think about it.

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>>49993616
>Pathfinder
>Dex-based Monk
>Half-Orc
Worst fucking campaign of my life.

Pic unrelated.

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>>50001536

What he means is transportation/GDP, education/GDP, medicine/GDP. Under those stats, USA is one of the worst in the world (you win over a couple places in africa ruled by warlords with a barter system). Enjoy your super-tuberculosis and horrific crime rates, USA! People like yourself spouting about 'dem ebil marxists' and ignoring that government spending is a slider, not an absolute, are why your country is a shithole.

>>49993616

I honestly haven't had any that I recall. Some never really got off the ground but that's not really disappointing, just kinda neutral. Some i'd liked to have played more. But generally anything I actually play I like playing.

I think probably the one time I tried 4e was the worst. Bored out of my skull, and the stats on the page were so divorced from any actual characterization I couldn't take them seriously.

If not that, there's been a few times i've played hard-nosed investigators and there's been.. nothing to investigate. But really, wearing the coat and having the hat is the reward. The investigation is a bonus.

>>50009777
>on some level, every male character had been a self-insert, or at least I had been afraid of being judged by it, so they always ended up fairly the same
I went through the same thing with most of my early characters. Nearly all of them ended up being relatively reclusive rogues/wizards who existed solely as problem solvers for the group and never took much initiative. Getting back to the thread's original topic, I recently tried to break this trend by making a Paladin and I think I went a bit too far in the opposite direction and ended up with a stereotypical Paladin who, despite being a drastic change from my norm, is rather boring to play as his solution to every situation is roughly the same.

>>50009255
Half the group was first-timers, and I think the girl had a crush on me, but I thought she was gross in the same way most women probably find me gross. Her character had a big chip on her shoulder about uncovering her clan's history and trying to restore their pride. She was a brute, but a more principled one than you might expect.

My character never understood that. He was well-versed in history as well, and he knew full-well the noble past of the Brujah clan, but he never really respected her or her clan. At best, she was a thuggish echo of glory, at worst she was a disgrace to the clan's memory. Gaining control of her mind and using her as his personal muscle only reinforced that. By the time of his true death (realized too late that he was trying to negotiate with a vampiric serial killer) he saw the Brujah as little more than well-trained hound, a feral mutt raised to walk like a show-dog, and she could hardly argue herself.

Really, if it were a different kind of RP, it would have been very erotic. In fact I am almost certain that she did masturbate to it. Gross.

>>50009777
I find female characters still end up being self-inserts, just while also being my ideal vision of sexiness as well. I'm honestly kind of a shit roleplayer.

Maybe it has to do with the groups I join. All the tabletop RPG groups I've joined have been full of banter, OOC talk, and metagaming. And I don't think that's WRONG, necessarily. It's cool when a bunch of friends get around to drink beer and roll dice and crack wise with each other. I just don't think it makes for great roleplaying. It's hard for me to take the DM seriously when he breaks into an awful scottish accent and now I have to pretend he's a dwarf, and I'm whatever, and I have to haggle for information based on a pretty vague understanding of events because a low-level tavern brawl took two-and-a-half hours to play out and one guy keeps on yelling from across the apartment if there are any cheetos left. Eventually I just mentally check out out of the whole thing, stop talking, and just roll dice whenever I want to do anything.

I'm torn between two.

A WoD clusterfuck game, where I was playing a Slasher. I wanted to be the unhinged maniac that the party had barely contained, and instead the rest of the party were random idiots, and I ended up leading the group repeatedly after the rest of the party just sat around, thumbs up their asses, time after time.

And the other one was a lawful evil hitman with principles, in a 3.5 campaign. DM asked for big damn backstories for our characters, and so I gave him that. A man who had brought down a dynasty. Then the game was just a standard dungeon crawl. Upon returning to the town one time, a random woman offered me a pathetic amount of money in exchange for killing a woman I had just enslaved. When I turned down the hit, the DM gave me a look, and told me I should probably be shifting my alignment towards Good. Completely killed any urge to play that character anymore when I knew the DM would consider anything that wasn't killing everyone in sight 'Good'.

>>49997739
>..are there any that don't fall into this trap

Black Lagoon

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>>49993616

>Watch a few episodes back when it was new
>Convinced it is going to suck donkey dildos because of what a godawful character Korra is and how likely it is for her to be a stronk independent avatar who don't need no man
>Sure enough, this happens, but keep watching because I like Tenzin being a badass
>Season ends, wasn't awful
>Can't summon up the willpower to watch season 2 and onwards because evidently it just got worse
>To this day have a longing for a series that just follows Tenzin and Lin
>That hollow feeling when it will never happen

>>50009892

Still a pretty sweet Vampire character arc though there mate

Regret that less.

>>50009777
I find it a lot easier to see myself as a man who happens to look like a dragon than as a woman, no matter what she looks like. And if I can't get inside the character's head, I can't really play as them.

>>49993616

My CSM raptor sorceror in black crusade. Mostly because the GM wanted us to be helpless space hobos and we were all mad scientists in the service of a powerful and successfull pirate lord. The GM got what she wanted and the players didn't.

>>50009048
this

>>50009048
this.

>>50010632
You should cherish the GM, woman that actually knows what she wants is a rare find.

>>50009777
>Most of the time people assume that it's what I like in a girl, and it's harder to feel judged for liking tomboys or bullies or shy shut-ins, and I feel like I can make a real character out of their flaws, where with a guy they'd be just weak attempts at variation.
I'd judge you far more harshly for playing as your waifus than for playing shitty self inserts

>>49993616
> Playing old-school Rolemaster game
> Randomly picked specialist "Crystal Mage" type
> Turned out to be super useless due to casting material costs
> Fighting some monsters in a cavern
> Other player casts "shocking cloud" (area effect lightning spell),
> GM rolls damage separately on everyone
> Whole party was in the area of effect (oops!)
> Nobody else hurt at all, not even the bad guys
> GM gets to me, double open-ends,
> literally nothing left of him but a pile of ashes.
> A fitting end.

>>50001443

Wow, at least most Marxists are capable of stringing a coherent sentence together. Suppose you don't need to know how to put one together when you're living off of a trust fund.

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>>49993616
I wouldn't say underwhelming but I once made a ursine character with a kind, reserved demeanor but he was a blood mage with a really edgy backstory
Magical experiments and such were performed on him and a friend, blah blah blah, escaped with them and was let go after he ratted out the friend who the mages were more interested in

Didn't end up using him because I had a nightmare where he tore me to shreds and ate me

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>>50007758

>I honestly can't remember if she did anything at all in season 3

In Season 3 she's forced into partenering up with Korra in order to survive a kidnapping. They bond a little over their mutual membership in the Mako Tap n' Scrap club and decide they don't hate each other.

Apparently this is all the set up we need to just accept the fact they're now gay for each other.

>>50013109
Man, Lord of the Rings' CG really hasn't held up over the years.

>>50013590
Yet somehow the films manage to look better than Jackson's prequel trilogy.

Sadly this is also true with the SW (well, at least with non-mutilated versions of OT).

>>50013590
I think that's a screenshot from dank souls

>>50013361
She really ought to be taller than the guy in the third and/or fourth panel.

>>50013361
I need to go hug my brother right now.

I don't remember The Last Airbender really going into too much detail on Sokka and Katara's relationship as siblings, but I can feel this.

>>50013741
He's two or three years older than her. How does that make any sense?

>>50012311
But which would be more fun to play with?

Our GM wanted us to have "character flaws", except his idea of a character flaw was a one-line tidbit that would come into play all the time rather than something more organic. The result wasn't just an underwhelming PC, but a PARTY of underwhelming PCs because everyone's character was a 2-dimensional gimmick.

I hate bullet-point character design.

>>50009048
same

>>50009048
>tfw no series will ever handle spirits and killing them as well as mononoke&ayakashi's bakeneko arc did

>>50009048

The only positive I can give them is that I sort of liked the Avatar Wan episodes. It was kind of like making a cartoon out of a mythical creation story.

>>50014083
Sorry, that was probably me. I was new to DMing at the time and thought giving every PC a flaw would encourage roleplay.

>>50014232
Wan episodes were shit

>>50013923

It didn't go much into detail but it did a fantastic job showing it. One of the most human elements of the show was seeing how much these two siblings rely on each other.

Bryan himself said it was kind of disappointing how many people focused on Aang's death and how it impacted Katara without ever even acknowledging the fact she outlived her older brother.

>>50014272

You're shit

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>>50014287
Well, Airbender had a lot of build-up with Katara and Aang's relationship, where like you said, the sibling part was rather subtle. If LoK never drew Sokka's death into focus, I doubt most people - especially without siblings - would be able to relate to it.

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>>50006523
>criticism is bigotry

>>50014350
>no sweety
6/10 edit could do better

>>50006645
>>50007457
Yeah. That would have been amazing to watch.

>>50014506
>one of the desk workers in my dormitory is m->f trans
>would actually looks like a woman if he fucking shaved for once in his life
its ridiculous, tells me they value being obviously transsexual over actually passing as a woman

>>50014534
Tell her that she would be prettier if she shaved.

>>50014534
Guess that xe believes that the shaving is a tool of the patriarchy.

Also did we get a new patch of hot pockets recently? Normally they aren't this ready to go after barely sfw tits&ass.

>>50009048
iirc the most the rampant spirits did was claim areas that the roots grew, and those did more damage. another problem is that I think at the very least someone got hurt from the quickly growing roots. If any one actually died it was probably so off-screen/said in passing that no one cared. Another thing was people's reaction, while they were scared, their surface reaction was to complain or whine.

while I don't mind that a dark spirit existed, the way they handled it was terrible. they could've simply have Unalock release the spirit (dying in the process), and have the dark spirit come out into the material world as some greater daemon.

what irks me is that they played the Dark Avatar card. 2010 me had the same trope idea and wanted to write it as fanfic for a good while, and it was still a terrible idea. here's was my idea for a dark avatar
>instead of pass lives, the guy was effectively immortal, and was currently sealed in crystal (to be released by miners or archeologists)
>only motive was a to kill the Avatar, or possibly get rid of it forever, driven by primal urge (usually Destroyer of World trope)
>in his avatar state, his monster masher was the opposite of Northpole Avatar State, a Lava/fire golem made of rock and fire with him in the core protected by water.
Because I could never get it well composed in my head, thankfully I never wrote it.
To see the Dark Avatar in LoK left me in disbelief and disgust.

>>50013590
It's from Dark Souls 3, mang'

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>>50014350

Man this comic really did turn Aang into such whiny mope.

It's like the ascended fan fiction authors who wrote them just completely forgot the kid's character arc

>>49993799
>nd nobody can hit him with an attack or spell or anything
Pfffhahahahahahahahaha..ha..haah..ha

Monk's AC is shit, Monk's SR is shit and comes too fucking late, Saves? you're so MAD it doesn't matter, your BaB is shit, Flurry is double shit, you have meh HD but you can't spare Con, so shit HPs.

Srly, Monk in 3.5 is the best example of paper tiger, Chinese term btw, fucking ironic.

It's a shame LoK was as bad as it was, otherwise we may have seen an Avatar tabletop game which could have been really good.

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>>49995603
Let's be real guys, Korra isn't the fucking reason Korra is bad, sure she isn't a great main character but compared to the infinity other stupid bullshit in the series I can't even declare her the worst thing.
Like the fact you're jumping on her when we should all be capable at critical thinking enough to see the inherent flaws in the series is worrisome.

It'd be like if you blamed the flaws in Naruto on anything besides Sasuke existing and the repercussions of it.

>>50005554
Chickvatar - Never again

>>50014325
Seconded

>>50016210
>Let's be real guys, Korra isn't the fucking reason Korra is bad

What? An unlikable, poorly written protagonist is a major issue of why the series was garbage, and distorting the issue because you want to play into some sexism argument makes you look like an idiot.

>>49994438

So this is why people say /tg/ and /co/ get along so well, they both have correct opinions.

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>>50009048
They were also super lazy with design of the spirits, I wasn't expecting Kamigawa level of crazy/detail but come on, make an fucking effort you hacks

>>50015328
>OCs having relationships with any of the "real" characters
Worst shit

I'm playing a sorcerer where a wizard would have made more sense thematically as well as feeling less castrated in terms of capability. I thought it'd be less to juggle and look less tryhard than a wizard, but it's just unexciting. I don't even RP him as charismatic, but I do as intelligent. I don't want to ask to change classes now that we're a good ways in, because it might look like I'm trying to minmax.

>>49994438
I was more disappointed that (other than season 2) all of the villains started their respective seasons as being legitimate villains with very real grievances with issues in the Avatar universe and then they were arbitraily written to be Hitler by the end of each season. Amon for some fucking reason wasn't actually scarred which somehow delegitimizes his point. Zaheer for some reason became a crazy anarchist and Kuvira became Hitler.

>>50017561
It'd be okay if it was a passing relationship, or the OCs didn't really get along with them, prompting them to set off and do their own thing instead of interacting with the OCs, at best having a distant rivalry.

>On Topic, Though
I was in a game that was being held online in forums that was supposed to have a large party. I think it was 3.5e and someone was playing a Drow and someone else was a Minotaur, so I thought if we were doing monster races and shit I'd take the opportunity to try playing a Gnoll
My Gnoll was supposed to be a druid, and according to the DM, the Gnoll and Drow were characters that would not be allowed in any cities, so the two of us would stay in a covered wagon whenever the party went into town to speak to the governor or get supplies and shit.
It turned into this neat friendship that stemmed from being outcasts.
There was this genuine character development over the course of months, but because of the nature of the forums and the size of the party we moved slowly through the story.
After maybe two encounters, I realized that the way I built my character and the decisions I made in fights were not contributing anything at all, on top of shitty rolls.

Ultimately ended up becoming a super forgettable character despite the interesting start.

Also bums me out knowing it was the last time I ever got to be a player, since my normal friends always want me to DM for them.

>>49993616
I forgot that ex-druids were a thing, to my detriment.

>>50009875
Government spending is an absolute, in that it is absolutely unethical because taxation is theft.

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>>50020983
>t. Andrew Ryan

>>50021044
>Implying Andrew Ryan wasn't an authoritarian fuckbag who missed the point entirely.

Next you'll tell me Nwabudike Morgan was a libertarian.

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>>49993616
Half orc paladin/swashbuckler. I came up with this gorgeous backstory for him where his dad was a human barbarian in an adventuring party, the party got stranded in the mountains and were rescued by a friendly village of orcs, his dad fell in love with the chieftain's daughter and formed babby, but when spring came the rogue and wizard of the party decided to betray the villagers and a fight broke out. Dad was killed, most of the villagers, maybe the rogue and wizard, and the only survivor was the party's paladin and the preggo orc, who he took down from the now destroyed village into the farmlands to marry and take care of. Then after my character was born, the paladin and the orc had kids of their own so there's a bit of "not my real dad" drama in the background, but my character wanted to do good in the world and went paladin, and I'd been thinking at the time that pally/swash sounded like an interesting thematic combo. The problem was I hadn't really considered how fucking terrible that combination was mechanically, but it didn't matter because the game ended after one session with no combat anyway.

>>50020983
>it is possible for things to belong to a discrete individual entity

get a load of this pleb

>>50021044
best boy

>>50021376
>Denying the physical reality of ownership given the implicit fact that only a person can affect their body to act in any way, and only one person can utilize a scarce resource, and only one person can exist in any given physical space.

Get a load of this turbopleb.

>>49997739
Part 3? I thought it was Polnareff's Bizarre Adventure.

>>50021522

>only a person can affect their body in any way

Hold still, i'm going to 'not affect' you with this baseball bat.

>>50022460
Not really the same thing. The point being that only you can choose to pick up that bat and swing it. No one else can cause your body to pick it up and swing it. Indeed, the very fact we acknowledge the concept of you or your body is an implicit acknowledgement of this fact, in that you own yourself and are yourself, and own your actions.

>>50022627

You can fairly easily condition people to do whatever the fuck you want. Cults do it all the time.

Simplistic worldview is simplistic mate.

Kitsune Ninja, Pathfinder.

The final nail in the coffin was when the DM had us working with a different rogue who was better at stealth than the ninja who could literally turn invisible at will.

>>50020983
Ignoring the libertarian imbecility, strong public sector is just as important for a healthy country as a strong private sector is. Go read Mintzberg or basically anyone who hadn't spent the last 30 years shouting how since the car without an engine failed, it follows that a car without brakes or steering must be perfect.

>>50022756

>car without brakes isn't perfect

Depends what you want to use a car for. You know suffering powers the Dark Side, right?

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>>49993616

>Thread inspires me to go powerwatch Korra s2 and s3 after dropping it from s1
>It's exactly as awful as I had expected
>Bolin is shit, Mako is shit, Korra is shit, Tenzin is shit, Asami is shit, the writing is shit, the script is shit, and nobody's character arcs have any fucking payoff and they just jerk people around with stupid shit like romance subplots and character """""growth""""" that ends up meaning nothing the next time the character flaw that was supposed to be addressed is needed to move the plot forward
>Go rewatch a few random episodes of TLA from each season
>Literally every random fucking episode was better. Better adventures, better characters, better character arcs, better villains, better world building, better every single fucking thing
>Even Sokka at his stupidest laugh-track tier shenanigans was better than Bolin all the time
>Aang training episodes actually had some depth to them and involved him having to change his mindset or respond to a different challenge, and we as an audience learned more about bending as he did
>Korra training episodes are nonsensical at best, involving her becoming "more spiritual" which translated to her just mastering the special pokeball maneuver that let her calm spirits down and leaving her character exactly the fucking same except now she can beat up """"""spirits""""""", when she then decides to undo the decision of infinitely wiser avatars than herself and then let them rampage around until they suddenly aren't a problem anymore for some reason and the writers just kind of forget about half the FUCKING CITY BEING ENTANGLED IN VINES AND HAUNTED BY SPIRITS WHICH ARE FUCKING ESTABLISHED BY THE AVATAR WAN EPISODES TO NOT GET ALONG THAT GREAT WITH HUMANS EVEN AT THEIR VERY BEST

I forgot how fucking angry this series made me when I first watched it.

It is a crime against humanity if anyone involved with Korra still has a job doing anything other than cleaning the floors.

>>49993616
A Bretonnian peasant who managed to attend a military academy and hoped to become the Warhammer Napoleon. He died in second session, after getting half his body burnt and his arm mangled beyond recognition fighting a flaming skeleton and then died by cracking his head against the ground because the other party member accidentally dropped me from a roof.

>On Topic
Friend runs a Black Crusade game, says up front that the game will mostly be surviving separated in Imperial space. Make my character basically be just a lone hunter/survivalist type since I was expecting many sessions taking place hiding from Imperial scouts and such. When the campaign starts, there's some combat here and there to set up the game, my character underperforms which I was okay with, rest of the party is pretty good at breaking shit. We get a few sessions in on our big chaos ship before finally making planetfall, my character is finally in his limeli- Oh wait. Game died one session after we landed on the planet. Fuck.

>LoK piece
I still haven't watched season 4 so I don't know about that. But when the show was meant to be a one season thing, I loved watching that first season as it aired like the manchild I am. We had a cool setting, animation was top notch, I remember being so excited seeing Lin and Korra finally fight side by side, and holy fuck I loved Amon as a villain. I know that, for the common people, his plans didn't make much sense but whatever the show is only going to be one season long so we need to have things simplified to get to the action.

And then season 2 happened. I tried to watch it every week online but jesus christ I just couldn't. It was only about a month ago when I discovered I could stream it easily for free thanks to Amazon Prime that I watched season 2. It again had some neat visuals, I liked seeing the big owl's library (I don't wanna butcher his name on my phone), and more Iroh is always a good thing. And then the season ends "And and and, the mean evil guy turns into a big monster! And then Korra turns into a big monster and they fight!" Like fucking hell guys if I want giant monsters punching each other I'm going to watch Pacific Rim, play to your strong points.

And this is getting too long, I liked the Red Lotus people, they were human and it was great, as was metal city. Korra still terrible

>>50022837
Bryke are making their own seperate projects, and somehow some people are looking forward to them.

>>50022837
>>50023119
Not to forget the upcoming comics, LoK: the legend of Korrasami, which is going to continue the pandering from the finale.

>>50017627

Yeah. My last character was a sorcerer. I played him like a tactacian, fucking downing two enemies a session for two sessions (averaging almost one enemy a combat)

I went sorcerer 'cause I was doing PFS and so there was no predictability or consistency between party members or campaign arcs

>>50022635
Except those people, conditioning or not, still ultimately have to make the choice. Me convincing you to do something doesn't stop you from being the person who does it.

Also, I never got why calling something 'simplistic' counted as a rebuttal.

>>50023649

>Also, I never got why calling something 'simplistic' counted as a rebuttal.

It's not a rebuttal, it's an insult.

'simplistic
sJmˈplJstJk/
adjective

treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are.'

As in, your worldview is so fucking stupid that you are treating complex situations as simpler ones so you can understand them, making your point of view not just wrong, but proof of a substandard intelligence.

Your inability to differentiate between cause and effect (cause: anything that influences a person's mentality, effect: the person does a thing) as a symptom of your 'hur everything is a known choice uncertainty doesn't exist because it scares me' mindset is an example of 'simplistic' thinking.

>>50021331
>My character's father was a cuck.

Neat backstory my dude.

>>50023769
Except when something is actually simple, it's simple you troglodyte.

You claim a failure to understand cause and effect, but in reality that's your doing, because ultimately, the cause lies with the person, who controls their body.

At no point did I make anything at all sound like 'hur, everything is known, uncertainty doesn't exist,' your projection is strong.

>>50024105

Well, according to science (neuroscience, psychology, psychiatry, and philosophy), decisionmaking is not simple or absolute.

It's literally a tiny proportion of rich people, wannabe rich people, and people making money out of directly pandering to rich people's guilt that are arguing the opposite. With no proof or evidence or whatever. So yeah, you're an idiot. Enjoy lying about how the world works to justify your shitty morality and lazy thinking, dipshit.

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>Get invited to a "high quality, political roleplaying-oriented game based on ancient Rome" (GM's description).
>repeatedly told that while the rules might be 3.5 this is “something far beyond the dumb hack and slash games you’re probably used to”
>ask about the possibility of spending a lot of my starting treasury on hiring and equipping soldiers, going for a former centurion followed by a loyal core of disenfranchised veterans who’ve very recently entered politics
>GM very enthusiastic about the idea
>this is going to be sweet.jpg

>Game begins
>Half my men incinerated by fireballs by some random drows, the rest run away into the forest
>Suddenly teleported to different place by DM
>You’re all going on a linear plane hopping adventure to save this imprisoned npc.
>most of the party is completely conventional minmaxed adventurers primarily interested in squabbling over loot and comparing damage output
>DM and his best bro agree that my character can be the comedy relief since I was the only one “dumb enough to waste money on goons”.
>Fine, whatever. I can be the silly guy

Some fun was had tbf but I’m probably not joining next time.

>>50024268
What the fuck are you talking about? Like, you have completely missed the point in such a massive fucking scale.

Yeah, the whole mental process of decision making is complicated, but the fundamental fact is your body is your fucking body. No one else can cause your arm to fucking raise you absolute dipshit.

>>50024338
There is a lesson to be learned there: whenever a DM pitches a game as "serious business" but still uses 3.5, he's a moron.

>>50024464
Yeah, in hindsight I know I should have seen the signs.

>>50024456

Well they have actually caused people's arms to raise in experiments.

So not only are you technically wrong (the worst kind of wrong) but your philosophical argument based on the inarguable ownership of actions based in inarguable ownership of the body (what) is wrong, too. For so many reasons.

I could hold a gun to the head of someone you love and you would do whatever the fuck I wanted. Your claims to the contrary are a lie. Your spouting of bullshit is a lie. You're terrified of a complex world, and reduce it to simple lines because it's too hard for you to think about. Guess what - life is hard. And simplistic fuckers like you make it harder. Grow the fuck up. Man the fuck up. Use your fucking brain for something other than stupidity.

>>50024464
>>50024724

I've played some serious games in 3.5e. Systems don't really add or remove from shitty GMs being shit.

>>50014350
kek at that edit
But I'll always be a Zutara fangirl

>>50014083
We were playing Curse of Strahd and my character got his by a flaw that was basically a lust for power.

It's not so much the fact that I got hit by a flaw from a cursed item, it was more the point that it happened in the second to last session and there was basically no time to build upon it.

That and my character had the means to uncurse himself whenever he wanted and had no real goals that would've played off of that flaw well enough.

>>50024750
>liking Zutara
why?

>>50025472
Yeah, Azula is obviously right for Zuko.

>>50025472
Never understood Zutara. They've got one scene together where they sorta stop hating each other, but it's nothing compared to the three full seasons of developemnt Aang and Katara's relationship got.

>>50025669
Zuko is the moody badboy that the girls like and Katara is their designated self-insert character.

>>50025669
Aang behaves like a child and that turns girls off. Sokka is her brother so that's no. Toph is a girl. This leaves only Zuko

>>50025763
>Toph is a girl.

Let's be real. This isn't an obstacle so much as the fact that Tophs reproduce asexually via earthbending.

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>>50025669

I think it's an "anime" thing. The 14-year-olds who think Zutara is valid like the idea of the broody, edgy loner character shacking up with the demure love interest acting kind of of tsundere to him.

In the last thread I was in where this was brought up, someone made the obvious point Zuko and Katara did not actually know each other. They spend basically the entire series fighting as total strangers, and only became friends at the ass end of the series. Zutara fags like to point to that scene in Season 2 where she gets wooed over by his sob story, but come the fuck on. Why wouldn't Katara--who is so empathetic and bleeding heart the show calls her a weepy crybaby in universe--stop and help someone who's clearly got problems?

Still more build-up than Korrasami ever got though.

>>50025763
>Aang behaves like a child and that turns girls off

Funny people levy that complaint when you remember Katara's only like a year older than the kid. I don't know why Zutara fans think she's like 19 or some shit.

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>>50023153
>>50023119

>I will never personally kill every last person involved with Legend of Korra

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>tfw i remember how /co/ was ultrahyped about lok s1 being the best thing ever
>tfw i got feast on their tears when the series ended up avatar's version of star wars prequels

>>50025472
Because I too am a grumpy brown girl with a lot on my plate and I've always wanted for a rich handsome white badboy with a heart of gold to come and sweep me off my feet.
Hasn't happened yet, still crossing my fingers for it.

>>50025669
You wouldn't get it

>>50025956
>I don't know why Zutara fans think she's like 19 or some shit.
She was the party mom, forced to mature early due to hardships in life, kept or at least tried to keep the other retards in line.

>>50025956
Katara behaved more maturely than she was, and girls crush on men older than them anyway

>>50026017
>>50026025

Katara was mature for her age, but in the "okay we need to watch our money and get x so we can do y and z" kind of way and not in the "Aang you're such a little boy" kind of way Zutara shippers like to think. The series has plenty of moments where she very much acts like a 14-year-old. Remember the first thing they did together was go sledding.

And for all the shit some people like to give Aang, he was very mature for his age too. He just came from a culture which valued light-heartedness.

>girls crush on men older than them anyway

I'll give you that. IIRC Bryke actually did confirm Katara's first kiss was with Jet

But still, Katara and Zuko spent 90% of the series knowing nothing about each other except the other wanted to kill them. I guess people forget about that, because we as the audience are so intimately acquainted with them by the time Zuko joins the heroes.

>>50026116
>But still, Katara and Zuko spent 90% of the series knowing nothing about each other except the other wanted to kill them
That only makes the eventual conciliation, mutual understanding and make up sex hotter

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>>50026228
>make up sex
>children's show

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>>50026116
Do keep in mind that Zuko's character is much more interesting than Aang's, his redemption arc is tear-jerking panty-soakingly amazing.
He's also A LOT more attractive.

>>50009892
He sounds like a douche. Good arc tho.

>>50026373

>Do keep in mind that Zuko's character is much more interesting than Aang's

Agree here. Aang's story is interesting, but the best part of his character is what his return means for characters like Zuko and Katara.

Personally though, I still find Sokka's growth the most satisfying.

>He's also A LOT more attractive.
Will not argue against this

>>49997980
I think Giorno appears quite dry because of the poor scans. It'll be interesting to see how the official Giorno contrasts to the scan one.

>>50026417
Sokka lived and died a chucklefuck

>>50026373
>He's also A LOT more attractive.
I demand evidence

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>>50026541
Are you really saying that he isn't the very epitome of handsomeness?

>>50022627
It is actually really easy to remove the ability to choose from people with some slight modifications.

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>>50026373
I loved how in the end he found his own path to being good, and wasn't just kind of forced on it by others - though I am sad he didn't get with that cute city girl.

He went from being a character I didn't really like to one I really sympathized with - screaming at a storm that it never held back before, and much later getting frustrated at how hard it was to be good. And then he gets to earn the trust of each of the main cast in turn, though somehow Toph developed a crush on him but never gets an episode with him.

>>50027566
Toph had a crush on everybody. Girl was a little slut

>>50027566
Aang and Zuko went on a field trip to (re)discover firebending, learning about the true nature of the art as well as discovering an ancient tribe and fucking dragons.

Aang and Katara went on a field trip to get revenge on the person who killed Katara and Sokka's mother, which is interesting because Katara's thirst for vengeance was contrasted against Zuko's budding morality, which culminated in her deciding not to kill the man responsible

Aang and Sokka meanwhile went on a field to find Sokka's father after the events of the black sun operation. In addition to finding their father, they also reunite with Suki, who goes on to becoming an important player in endgame.

With Toph, there wasn't really anything they could've done because she didn't really have anything that tied her character arc to the fire nation.

>>50024268

You have missed the point on a massive scale, friendo. This guy >>50024456 doesn't want to have a rational debate, he just wants to call you names and attack you

>>50027652

Wasn't she a single mother?

>>50027703
Had two kids with different fathers.
The whore.

>>50027675
>Suki, who goes on to becoming an important player in endgame
I don't even remember what she did besides get fucked by Sokka

>>50027766
She did about as much as Sokka and Toph did during the final episodes.

Hell, she even saves their lives towards the end.

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>>50027790
Didn't Sokka and Toph blow up the Fire Nation airships? Was Suki on that mission with them? Odd considering how much they focused on Sokka and Toph

>>49993616
Goddamnit Korra is an aweful human being but I can't get over how cute she is

fucking god damn fucking son of a bitch ass kick fucking shit

>>50027841
Yeah, she was with them, it's just that she got seperated from them for a bit before pulling a big damn heroes moment.

>>50027862
She's the type of woman a ball gag was designed for.

>>50027893
Good ol' bump and dump material.

>>50027952
>dump

No.

No she needs to be taken captive and trained into a cockslave, taught to cook and clean, and made into a housewife

>>50025512

Quiet you.

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>>50027566
>though I am sad he didn't get with that cute city girl.

Although I agree with you, I think the show could have done with more cool throwaway characters.

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>>50026017
>race mixing

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Just popping in to say the bloodbending episode was based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZ267DRdq4

>>50029357
You know blood bending being used to control movements never made sense to me. I mean, there are so many different viens and Cappilaries, and some of them have spots that are a bit too close to the surface of the skin for comfort. Honestly it seems like would be a miracle to control someone through blood-bending without accidentally pulling the blood out of their wrists, or giving them an Aneurism or a heart attack or something.

>>50029732
Killing people by ripping their blood out of them with your mind would had been too gory for a kids show.

>>50029732
>>50029820
Freezing their blood seems like a better application of Bloodbending to me.

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>>50029357

>The villain who trains a protagonist and forces them to use their wicked techniques, eroding the protagonist's ethical fiber and serving the villain's ends of passing on their skills
>It's like some martial artist form of rape

God I love this shit

>>50029896

This shit is infinitely better than anything in LoK...

>>50029357
>congratulations Katara, you're a bloodbender
What an evil old cunt

>>50006645
8/10 would love to play with.

The worst characters I see people bring to the table are the people who obsess over a concept without tempering their idea with a realistic idea of how well they're going to actually function.

Like, guy wants to play two halflings inside a trench coat when the rest of the party are fairly well grounded characters who have made sure they're combat worthy while also non-combat functional.

The Muppet Man meanwhile has to spend all his spells making sure his disguise is illusioned, his acrobatic is buffed and all his skill ranks are dumped into bluff to the point it's ridiculously high so he can never fail a bluff check, just so he can say nobody will ever figure him out. Meanwhile hes shit at combat, can't cast any useful spells and his gimmick has worn off and serves only to be an annoyance to the party who are sick of his attention seeking zanyness.

>>50032397
Have them be your resident infiltrators. With their skills you could have them assassin's creee their way into a fort, disguise themselves as a guard or whatever, and pull whatever mission impossible shenanigans you need done there.

Get them to try infiltrating enemy forts and opening the gates/sabotaging defenses. It seems like it's a very specialize character that could do very well in some scenarios.

>>50032485
Look, I don't run these kind of game where I go out of may way to make a useless character not useless.

The character in question is so fucking useless they'd screw it up anyway, plust I'm not detracting valuable game time to please some problem player who can't figure out that the whole gimick bullshit is not as endearing at they seem to think themselves. You wouldn't reward a kender player for being an annoying asshat.

>>49993616
Probably the computer I got 3 years ago. It's getting old and I'm planning on getting a newer pc in 6 months.

>>50032397
>>50032579

So you're having one problem (character doesn't fit the tone of the game, or mesh with the other players, like a Rescue Ranger appearing in Terminator, but with none of the fun crossover) and assuming it's a different one (character isn't optimized enough to keep up mechanically with the rest of the party), and then pulling a no true scotsman over people 'keeping up' in a game where you can make Bob the Squire and Superman x Goku (FINAL FORM) with exactly the same starting resources? I feel incredibly sorry for your players.

>>50033468
oh you

>>49993616
It doesn't happen to me a lot, actually. Mostly because I often decide what the character would be like before I roll stats, and then base them on that.

Unsurprisingly I'm someone who really likes to make backup characters. I have 12 PCs ready for my Hunter campaign, for instance.

Oftentimes I find that PCs develop further on their own over time -- I've even made two different PCs based on the same original concept who have completely different personalities and motivations. Lately I'm even getting to the point where the character's personality is the one that controls what I say and how I think when I really get into it.

Though there are some characters I've made that I was completely uninterested in. I never played them more than one session, though, or never even played them to begin with.

>>50032032

>I still swore up and down that I wasn't an evil Ventrue, but I kinda had to give that up when I literally made the Brujah start sobbing as she failed a roll to resist my order to crush a child's head, because his father had betrayed me and stolen money that I was going to use to pay off a rival gang of werewolves."

This quote should probably be in the next game of Vampire I run.